So I guess it’s just farm?
#assassination
shrewd oriole
Let me paint the picture for y’all
In mop the boss teleported you to stormwind
In wod the boss teleported you to the twisting nether
strange python
In paint please
strange python
I dont understand
hoary copper
mmm cofffeeeeeee
strange python
I need visuals
hoary copper
If that was a picture, it was a finger painting by a 3 year old
shrewd oriole
Idd
strange python
Good old days of finger painting
shrewd oriole
Being a baby is playing with irl personal lol
jovial kite
anyone else have fingerboxes?
shrewd oriole
Loot*
strange python
I miss those days, not a worry in the world. Just me, my paint, my finger and a piece of paper
shrewd oriole
No decision making, stuff is just handed to you 
jovial kite
heres my grandfathers one
it has 3 holes
with different grit on each hole
made during ww1
gaunt moat
finger box? o_O
hoary copper
What are the holes for
shrewd oriole
That’s cool
jovial kite
it goes around your finger
gaunt moat
you put fingers in there?
shrewd oriole
😉
hoary copper
"fingers"
shrewd oriole
Notter knows what’s up
strange python
What happens next YOU WONT BELIEVE :
gaunt moat
why are you collecting fingers?
strange python
But why
shrewd oriole
Here’s my finger box
strange python
So you put your finger in, then what ?
jovial kite
you put your finger in
jovial kite
so your finger is in the finger box
strange python
Is there another part or?
hoary copper
gaunt moat
does it remove your finger?
jovial kite
thx for ruining it bruen -.-
halcyon pumice
this is all really neat and all but i won't be impressed until you show me where you keep your skub
jovial kite
shadowstep said he wanted fucking ontent
i memed the content
now you ruined it
.<
strange python
More content
I didnt read it
Dw
Keep going
So you put your finger in the box?
And then you’re done?
median marsh
"[...] filled with various objects, such as hair, cotton balls, nails [...]"
I totally read that as hairy balls
hoary copper
You could put those in too
shrewd oriole
jovial kite
its the intrique of the unknown
shrewd oriole
finnish people are weird
manic vigil
I'm so glad bruen ruined it. That would have haunted me for a while
strange python
Yikes
hoary copper
I ruined it?
strange python
Any fingerboxers here?
hoary copper
But Im a good boi
lone junco
i figured you put severed fingers in there.
manic vigil
Depends on the view bruen. Ruined it/saved me
hoary copper
I'd put grapes and tell people it was eyeballs
manic vigil
You're my hero 
jovial kite
an experienced fingerboxer would know the difference
strange python
Grapes vs eyes 🤔
jovial kite
as you approach the finger box
you should do so with an empty mind
to really focus and get a feel on whats inside the box
the box is an experience
jovial kite
no words can describe the box
you must live it yourself 🤷🏿
thats the beauty of it
anticipation, the concretization of feeling, full experience
strange python
Would you say it’s just a hobby, or a lifestyle? 🤔
jovial kite
im not as hardcore as some fingerers are
it can be a lifestyle yes
its meditative
its mind expanding
its quite ironic really
how can one singular hole of unknown be a gateway to so many things
lone junco
👮
manic vigil
keen inlet
I don't even.
jovial kite
hoary copper
Ive asked myself that many times
keen inlet
Nor do I odd.
gaunt moat
@jovial kite wanna see my finger hole?
keen inlet
shrewd oriole
strange python
Memes 👌🏼
manic vigil
Don is undercover again 
gaunt moat
jovial kite
manic vigil
I think mods should always have to be online
keen inlet
manic vigil
And wear a bell around their neck
gaunt moat
strange python
These are the moments where I miss Tumna and Speedbleed
shrewd oriole
lul
hoary copper
🔨
shrewd oriole
lmai
warm parcel
Cause spamming tweets is a great way to come out as someone with constructive feedback
shrewd oriole
I like that your guild has a twitter
lone junco
@shrewd oriole I get recruitment messages a few times a month.
@warm parcel they literally mentioned twitter as a good source for aggregate feedback.
shrewd oriole
it's p cool
manic vigil
I don't even have a Twitter account 
lone junco
I didnt understand twitter until I was complaining about my work software back in 2008 and i got a dm from a dev with a response.
. . . .
like holy shit. i get it now.
but its good for memes too
marble hemlock
i havent talked to a single mythic-raiding officer/raid/guildleader that approves of that decision
shrewd oriole
me neither lol
lone junco
this heroic raid leader doesnt either. dont worry
shrewd oriole
my guild p much all collectively facepalmed when we were talking about it
lone junco
its bad in a different way
marble hemlock
considering those are the only people that still actively use ML in the first place, I dont understand why they would remove having an additional loot-option
shrewd oriole
our tank wanted to jump off the platform
gaunt moat
well it's meant for more casual players.
i have seen an overwhelming positive response from casual players @marble hemlock
shrewd oriole
but why fuck over mythic raiders again and again
lone junco
yeah no shit. people getting carried
lone junco
yeah
marble hemlock
they will get a lot of feedback from people approving, that have had some bad experience like 3 years ago, even though it is almost impossible to do ML outside of a dedicated raiding guild anymore anyway
shrewd oriole
I get numbers wise we are
hoary copper
I use twitter when I have really bad service, the companies respond pretty quick
lone junco
Right. guild loot "fixed" it
drifting crypt
why would casual players care about ML, they dont use it anyways? @gaunt moat
marble hemlock
considering the only people that will be affected by that change are those heroic/mythic raiding guilds, i see no reason to consider casuals who never are in a ML grp in the first place as part of this conversation
gaunt moat
@marble hemlock let me know if you wanna play btw. i'm bored.
lone junco
@marble hemlock I saw your loot council work on stream the other day. Can you imagine the proccess to get gear BACK from people, then hand it out?
marble hemlock
need to log through this weeks logs, can do some later if im not busy
gaunt moat
@drifting crypt cause casual players join raids with ML and get screwed over.
shrewd oriole
@gaunt moat what
lone junco
same thing.
shrewd oriole
you cant just "join a raid with ML"
marble hemlock
the other officers dont really get a say unless im unsure, and i think i had like 3 loot-related complaints in 6years of doing it
lone junco
just the idea of getting stuff back, then passing it back out makes me rage
gaunt moat
sure you can, "looking for raid" > join normal run
shrewd oriole
but those are pugs
gaunt moat
yes
shrewd oriole
pugs cant have ml
lone junco
ayy another raid lead rogue.
gaunt moat
oh right lol
marble hemlock
but all these people in favor of removing ML seemingly have had multiple bad experiences with "friend councils" and ninja looters
lone junco
/cheer
gaunt moat
😄
marble hemlock
but its really the same they did with wod/legion already
marble hemlock
taking away options to shape your gaming experience
shrewd oriole
replace rogue with whatever alt I wanted to gear
marble hemlock
because the only thing that matters is the way blizzard envisions you to play their game
shrewd oriole
PL in pugs = good
gaunt moat
would never expect anything else from you.
marble hemlock
if you find a way around that, youll be either punished or the option gets removed, with phrases like "you think you know what you want, but you dont"
marble hemlock
from a guild-managing point of view, enforced PL is going to be a gigantic pain in the ass, and its already hard to find decent officers nowadays
shrewd oriole
yeah lol
lone junco
Ion waves hand:
Me: I think I want Master Loot, but I dont
marble hemlock
yeah
marble hemlock
hes gonna wave his magic force-casting hand and says "these arent the loot options youre looking for"
shrewd oriole
lone junco
wooosah
spare cloud
Dont wanna get banned
shrewd oriole
I agree noobe
spare cloud
Why is nobody in voice yet
spare cloud
Yeah he just joined
marble hemlock
and the line "these arent the lootoptions youre looking for"
gaunt moat
we're ostracizing tom
manic vigil
marble hemlock
cause thats how you get loot
marble hemlock
not by raiding and distributing it based on merit, performance and attendance
but because you got lucky LUL
shrewd oriole
(it didnt feel good)
lone junco
attendance carrot is dead.
shrewd oriole
I just wanna say I dont have heroic tier gloves
lone junco
good luck with healers/
shrewd oriole
they never dropped
marble hemlock
whichever gets the +5 tf proc weapon and trinket, is my new main
marble hemlock
like, his tank trinket
shrewd oriole
personal loot BY THE WAY
lone junco
and THAT is PL
shrewd oriole
ok tisumi
imagine only having normal tier by week 15
having done heroic errweek
drifting cloud
@marble hemlock so he had wrong loot spec for first one?
zealous dew
marble hemlock
it was his first one @drifting cloud
marble hemlock
think he skipped argus a week or two
but thats the reality were facing if they go through with this
spare cloud
I had tier at week 10
marble hemlock
and with how absolutely terrible trinket design has been the last two expansions, youre looking at not seeing a >10% upgrade trinket ever dropping for you
imagine going through hfc mythic progression and you just dont get a capacitor
drifting cloud
I dunno I just hope and pray it was just a feeler
that they wouldnt actually do it
keen inlet
I never got a capacitor
¯_(ツ)_/¯
It happened before, will still happen.
That's nothing new.
marble hemlock
true
keen inlet
Just less control layered over RNG.
marble hemlock
yup
keen inlet
Oh those are old memes Tisumi
shrewd oriole
never got a capacitor
keen inlet
Mostly I just want incessant complaining about wow to stop.
So you think you've got it bad? At least you've still got a shot at loot.
I'll never get what I want.
shrewd oriole
what
marble hemlock
if they wouldnt actively go out of their way to piss off certain sub-communities with no upside whatsoever to everyone else
keen inlet
I'm not saying the game doesn't deserve valid criticism
spare cloud
fuck poison bomb man
marble hemlock
i was perfectly content with this game up until wod
keen inlet
But it has been on a downward quality trend for literally years at this point, is it terrible no is it great sometimes, and people still act surprised
faint vale
Doing pl loot for our a mythic alt runs. 6 bosses without loot. Quite common
marble hemlock
sure, most people will complain about one thing or another
but certain decisions need to have an upside
otherwise why change something at all?
if theres no upside
marble hemlock
and id genuinely like to know what the upside to this is, for the players
shrewd oriole
it ruins splits in the way we know them
but it'll just mean people run multiple chars
marble hemlock
because for blizzard the upside is going to be more rng > more grind > more retention
drifting cloud
you think you want it but you dont 😎
shrewd oriole
so idk
keen inlet
The upside is making splits a lot less desirable.
That's not an upside to you, but it's an upside to the devs, and that's that.
marble hemlock
yeah no
shrewd oriole
but splits are still doable
keen inlet
¯_(ツ)_/¯
drifting cloud
and everyone has 3 of the same classes
marble hemlock
what this is gonna do, is stop loot funneling. but thats like 1 of multiple reasons why people splitraid
faint vale
So have 5 rogues ready, clear 5 times and take your best geared one
lone junco
armor type. Leather clear time
marble hemlock
the other reasons are still there
marble hemlock
yeah
drifting cloud
I legit dont think you can fix split raiding
marble hemlock
then people will get multiple accounts
keen inlet
Oh, you can
lone junco
@marble hemlock more $ is fine by me
marble hemlock
you mean
keen inlet
Turn off loot trading entirely.
marble hemlock
more missionboard gold-farming that pay for your sub?
keen inlet
Be glad they didn't go that route, heh
lone junco
but, the real problem is. not eveyone uses the same system
marble hemlock
less and less so
lone junco
I play for loot.
marble hemlock
what features are in this g ame that actively encourage building a community?
drifting cloud
its like when people say they should just scale the raid for an ilvl
I mean scale the players
marble hemlock
the only community that has been somewhat thriving that didnt exist before legion, is the m+ community
spare cloud
Pvp community doesnt exist anymore 
lone junco
M+ was a great addition
spare cloud
thats the exchange
lone junco
pvp is shit.
drifting cloud
sure but thats just how its always gonna be
lone junco
It will be like D3 with a Trinity healer tank dps
marble hemlock
i dont play an mmo to queue for raids myself, get my own loot, and do quests by myself, while sitting in my own garrison. i can play any rpg to do the same. i want to do stuff with other people, get to know them, and have a reason to talk to them
lone junco
i play for trinity.
marble hemlock
and they little by little remove those reasons
lone junco
its best design game imo
shut willow
In the three raiding groups I've played with this expac, M+ was just a way for the people with the most time to shame the people who can't play all day every day, I think max 5 or 6 legit upgrades from literally over a 1000 M+ between 3 characters, it's a retention thing and trying to get everyone to play ever minute of every day
marble hemlock
and Noobe made a good point, its going to be harder to keep people around when i cant tell them "shape up, or you dont get loot"
cause theyre gonna get loot anyway 😃
spare cloud
If you only got 6 upgrades in m+ then youre doing smth wrong
manic vigil
Idk in my old casual raid we just use group loot. No one is greedy so loot is never an issue. But a mythic progress raid is a different story ofc
spare cloud
over that many
drifting cloud
yeah the forced pl if it happens might make me think about playing
marble hemlock
the best part is the justification of "more and more people are using PL already"
drifting cloud
I play this game to raid .. PL makes raiding worse
shut willow
most of the time the ilvl is just too low from M+
lethal heart
on farm on last tier anyawy
shrewd oriole
you're smarter than that
shut willow
right now it would need 30ilvl TF for it to be an upgrade
marble hemlock
kinda hard to even make a grp that can use ML in the first place with all the restrictions they put on it
shrewd oriole
dont take data and interpret it to see what u wanna see
lethal heart
yea it's actually annoying @marble hemlock
spare cloud
You've got some sick gear then
lethal heart
if you join some random pug that wants to do mythic like first 4-5 bosses lets say
and you cant master loot
even though you want
spare cloud
I got 974 and I'm actively using around 7 items from m+
shut willow
or a relic with the #1 and #2 traits instead of just #1
shrewd oriole
975 here and I use several m+ items as well
marble hemlock
the only thing that doesnt drive me completely insane over this, is the fact that less and less loot actually comes from raiding
shrewd oriole
3 atm I think
drifting cloud
with no leggos and tier
shut willow
i have 5 or 6 960-975 PK relics
drifting cloud
maybe half our gear will be from m+ in bfa
shrewd oriole
yeah
shut willow
none rolled Mass
drifting cloud
just depends how it scales and how tf works
shrewd oriole
with no leggos and tier my gear could legit be full m+
shut willow
so they are all garbagio
marble hemlock
i mean, with fixed t1/t2/t3 options in your 3 azerite pieces, you still want a specific piece of equipment for those 3 slots
spare cloud
Yep
marble hemlock
how exactly is that different to tierpieces?
drifting cloud
well its 3 items compared to what 6 or 7 now
marble hemlock
that kinda depends on whether any dungeon provides a specific item that has the 3 azerite options you want
jovial kite
any people interested in going to mythic legetrain en tov nh today
dense scarab
Anyone know a good assassination twitch streamer?
lone junco
really this will just punish people that do M+. people that scumbag will get ilvl upgrades they get to keep. even it is slight upgrade for a main raider.
shut willow
slagg are you eu or na?
lone junco
too mad. 👺
marble hemlock
gonna be fun trying to trade items tyou dont need without legendaries around
lethal heart
meh i think they were just referring to heroic lockouts when it comes to PL
marble hemlock
that make it possible to trade in the first place due to their high ilvl
jovial kite
eu
open reef
Anyone killed varimatias on mythic last time, have question on pm
marble hemlock
while i hope thats true, his statement really wasnt ambiguous
lone junco
the scumbag upgrade addons for PL are going to be annoying
/t Noobe that item is an upgrade for X and Y and Z and Q
lone junco
Im ok with ilvl bis, but I doubt they can balance shit
marble hemlock
yeah no thats not gonna happen
lethal heart
overall bfa is huge challenge for them
like they're getting rid of lots of legendaries/traits
marble hemlock
a few select classes have their secondaries be really close to the primary/each other
marble hemlock
but those are an exception, not the rule
lethal heart
idk how they make it still interesting after how interesting each class was
with artifact system and such
marble hemlock
and if they want an ilvl 980 haste/vers ring to be better than a 970crit/mast, when crit/mast are my 2 best secondary stats
lone junco
if they want to make it PL, just have all the gear stick BoP and double the drop rates.
drifting cloud
yeah warlocks are back to using wod cloak enchants
marble hemlock
it means that secondary stats dont matter anymore
drifting cloud
👌
marble hemlock
so why have them at all?
lethal heart
they just made a mistake with relics
marble hemlock
i always felt like soft/hardcaps or breakpoints for secondary stats was a nice thing to build around
lethal heart
they admitted they did a mistake
because vendetta relic is always x relic for other class
lone junco
@marble hemlock same. aka 55% crit as hpal caps your shock. etc.
marble hemlock
i realize that a lot of players dont know about those caps, but why not educate them about it, why remove those caps instead?
lethal heart
well they dont like if people minmax to that level i guess
open reef
Im only Rogue in team soaking push back strike. Sometimes it happen i get necrotic before strike. Is there any idea how to cover this? Or go necrotic spot and let someone else deal with strike?
marble hemlock
you can still do it, its just a bit tighter
normal plover
You just have to run fast
open reef
Varimatias mythic
marble hemlock
even on the last soak before the enrage you still have ~3sec to get to your necrotic position
normal plover
It shouldn’t happen that often
You may want to make an audible to go to the closest necrotic spot
marble hemlock
theres a few options to deal with getting necrotic during the second half of the fight while the charge is still going out
lethal heart
sadly
marble hemlock
one would be to shadowstep ontop of the necrotic-carry after soaking the charge
so youre closer to your necrotic position
generally speaking though, and ive been doing it ever since we started our first pull on vari mythic, you can easily soak the charge, shadowstep into the raid, and move out with necrotic before it expires
lone junco
btw. @warm parcel they mentioned to stop giving collective WE and US responses. because they just tally them into columns. Pro/con/idiot. and numbers of responses are >> than content of response
marble hemlock
might have to pop sprint, but thats what cooldowns are for, right?
open reef
On +65%of the fight strike is before necrotic. On last 35% necrotic comes before strike
lone junco
is "WE" 20 people or 2000 people
marble hemlock
yeah exactly
lethal heart
might wanna use cloak aswell if it overlaps i guess
marble hemlock
people who already have the healing-immunity debuff cannot get necrotic, which is why you never get it during the first ~60% of the fight
closer to the enrage you might be able to get it, but its a rare occurence, and you can still get to your position on time
lethal heart
necrotic debuff deals damage itself, doesnt it
marble hemlock
ye
lethal heart
definitely good time to use cloak then, at least that's what i do when it overlaps
unless disc priest maybe
we dont run disc priest though so it's cheat death proc level for me at least
open reef
Ok 1 more Q. I get necrotic and soak. Does soaking trigger necrotic spread?
marble hemlock
you should only cloak the healing immunity if youre about to die, which is very likely since after soaking the charge and dropping necrotic, you will have to deal with ~11seconds of no healing
ideally 1 or 2 of your healers are playing ishkars to save people
open reef
Ok 1 more Q. I get necrotic and soak. Does soaking trigger necrotic spread?
open reef
So i can get debuffs, soak strike go to necrotic spot and be MVP
marble hemlock
yes
open reef
Ok
marble hemlock
just keep in mind, with big alacrity, comes big responsibility
open reef
Yea
lethal heart
alacrity monkaS
marble hemlock
what are you doing in the assa channel anyway
youre probably gonna play sub in all 3 timetrial dungeons, arent you?
lone junco
Sub would have been so good in outlaw
valid iron
am i doing something wrong stat wise? i cant seem to get over 2million dps
lone junco
stupid imps
marble hemlock
whats your sim-dps?
valid iron
1.9 something
warm parcel
Yes they talked about twitter
valid iron
on raidbots
marble hemlock
nice talk
shrewd oriole
lol
warm parcel
And explicitly said that spamming it isnt good
And spamming devs/pr in general is just a dick move
marble hemlock
but seriously
jolly kernel
i would try to go for some more crit instead of vers
marble hemlock
you wanna know why when you sim for 1.9, you cant get over 2m? 😮
warm parcel
But properly made tweets are a good way to get their attention
shrewd oriole
Patchwerk too
warm parcel
Ive seen it work many times in legion already
marble hemlock
you can get 2m in a multi-target situation or with good rng
warm parcel
When it comes to assa bugs fex
valid iron
i reach 32.27% crit with max stacks
marble hemlock
all i see is blizzard responding to stupid posts, not the well-made ones
like
"why cant i catch this pet"
shrewd oriole
Lul
marble hemlock
like, if youre simming 1.9mil, and you are around that on a singletarget fight, theres no obvious reason as to why you wouldnt be able to perform better, except for gear
shrewd oriole
And poison bomb
marble hemlock
your vers is quite high, your crit is quite low
valid iron
well i see people doing more than me with that gs
marble hemlock
so if youre looking to fix up your gear, that would be the point where id start
valid iron
and i feel like i can reach more with other stats
shrewd oriole
It’s not about item level
marble hemlock
itemlevel doesnt matter
shrewd oriole
It’s what about the pieces / stats are
marble hemlock
i sim for the same dps as some ilvl 980 rogues, with 10 ilvl less
jolly kernel
relics are also huge
shrewd oriole
You can equal ilvl and have vast differences in dps
Relics are insane too yeah
What do you sim at seli?
marble hemlock
cause 985 shoulders/bracers
marble hemlock
its ridiculous how hard it is go get good rings
shrewd oriole
Full mythic gear now
Yeah lol
There’s only 1 good ring in Antorus
Argus’ is ok I guess
marble hemlock
like, i want 2 vers/mastery rings for trash on m+
theres literally only 1 of those
shrewd oriole
Yeah
marble hemlock
even though theres like 50 different rings, only 1 has low vers/high mastery
shrewd oriole
Saddens me that there’s no more upgrades at base m ilvl for me man :/
Last night I finally got the last one
lone junco
@Raizors#3474 pretty sure my gear at 965 ish shoulder bracer is barely over 2m. So that just what you get. can always get better gear, or try a diff build.
shrewd oriole
There’s not even one with high vers low mast
marble hemlock
saddens me that there is no good trinkets for assa
shrewd oriole
Or one with crit versa
marble hemlock
id like
shrewd oriole
There’s ssf and eoc ahaha
marble hemlock
those would be the bis trinkets for m+ :/
lone junco
Ill gake something clicky and massive to align with vanish.
marble hemlock
but yeah, its a weird feeling
knowing that stuff has to tf in raid, in order to be an upgrade
lone junco
I would rip a 10k agi trrinket with exang
shrewd oriole
Yeah
marble hemlock
i preferred knowing that i actually acquired bis gear
even with 20weeks of farm coming up
it was a good feeling
shrewd oriole
It’s a weird feeling being bis geared but not being bis geared
lone junco
better than end of tier EVERY OTHER EXPAC where you just cap out and . . . meh to death
marble hemlock
i really enjoyed stratting around in bis gear
lone junco
jumping in dalaran for 8 months.
marble hemlock
and compete with other people in bis gear
lone junco
meh. I like TF. it is our performance curve
lone junco
not actually good, so we outgear overheal
shrewd oriole
Nowadays 975 equipped doesn’t feel as good as it would feel back in the day
marble hemlock
and even happier when it was WF
now you get loot
see its not tf
and you get sad
and not happy
like getting your first hc token
shrewd oriole
Ye
marble hemlock
and its a +5ilvl proc
and you know
youre gonna be the last one
to get the m token
shrewd oriole
LUL
marble hemlock
😃
lone junco
and then a 2nd and a 3rd. that were wasted on you
shrewd oriole
And I’ve done heroic every week
marble hemlock
only if you perform badly
shrewd oriole
LOL
marble hemlock
isnt that how PL works?
lone junco
right. 3 pairs of pants no gloves
lone junco
yeah. the pl is inverted ilvl curve
shrewd oriole
Makes sense
marble hemlock
why arent there trinkets similar to hunger of the pack
only for mastery/vers/haste
lone junco
tbh, if it goes PL. I will just scumbag as druid, and fill out my bank with gear.
if it is on the loot list, it will prob be useful to one of the 4 specs.
nah. upgrade to my moonkin ST
shrewd oriole
Lul
marble hemlock
nah
you gotta roll a class
that uses stuff no other class needs
like hunter or dh
shrewd oriole
“Yeah sorry mate I need that haste vers neck for outlaw”
marble hemlock
so when glaives drop
you dont get bugged by the rl to trade it to someone else
cause noone can use them
except for yourself
lone junco
or. OR. you scumbag and drop ilvl for boss kills
marble hemlock
i foresee the fun ill be having
lone junco
910 trinket. damn whys your dps low. BAM TF trinket
marble hemlock
when a valued member doesnt want to trade away the +30ilvl proc trinket
shrewd oriole
Lul
marble hemlock
because its a big upgrade for him, but a bigger one for someone else
shrewd oriole
“Fun”
lone junco
they wont be able to, cause +1lvl is upgrade. so bop
shrewd oriole
Fun btw
marble hemlock
so?
its still better for the raid
if the item goes to the player who has the biggest ugprade
what do i do then?
shrewd oriole
Yeah but you can’t trade it
marble hemlock
do i threaten to bench him?
keen inlet
Has anything new been said in the past hour
shrewd oriole
So no discussion
keen inlet
just out of curiousity
shrewd oriole
@keen inlet no
keen inlet
I zoned out
marble hemlock
no
drifting cloud
Ill just try not to bother myself with it bfa is a while away things can change
lone junco
Will make BoE market a fucking gold mine
drifting cloud
same reason I wouldnt even install alpha if I had it
marble hemlock
next q&a ion tells us that while we think we want ML, PL is so much better because its more loot, and all the items we dont need we can trade to other people, creating a community that helps each other
lone junco
Ill just try not to bother myself with it bfa
Says a non gm/rl rogue that doesnt have an offspec role
shrewd oriole
I never trade shit to pugs
shrewd oriole
The other day I got a 955 tier chest
There was a rogue in the raid
He was playing dfa assa
So i deleted the chest
And told him I needed it for mog
drifting cloud
meanie
lone junco
CT will be good for fat cleave that lasts more than 12sec. 8+ mobs. but what do you do after the first cast. just tab ruptures?
shrewd oriole
Always ask in gchat if anyone needs before hand as well ofc
marble hemlock
i think DS would be better for CT
lone junco
prob.
marble hemlock
never really understood why we got MfD on the other specs, and not keep it to combat
lone junco
env is expensive. else there could be
marble hemlock
env is a tiny portion of our damage
lone junco
bombs?
w/e
ill let that part of bfa slide. numbers and builds dont bother me. the guild structure stuff does
marble hemlock
yeah its just... i dont know, im not a big fan of change in general, and since i consider assa to be in a good space gameplay wise, i dont see the need for them to shake things up too much
lone junco
there is a poison bulid in there for you
marble hemlock
while blizzard sometimes seems to think its a good idea to take something that works
lone junco
I liked mark spam if it works out. but on a line with vig will make it hard to pick.
marble hemlock
smash it with a sledgehammer, and then try to make it new and better
lone junco
depends on E return tick rates from hasted bleeds.
marble hemlock
yeah
lone junco
if you can stack haste and still have E without vig, I can see some choices
marble hemlock
thats gonna be hard to balance actually
lone junco
fok CT will feed right? or is VV on the same tree
marble hemlock
on the other hand, there isnt going to be that big of a rift between a poison and a bleed build anymore
marble hemlock
CT doesnt proc vim or VV
lone junco
why wouldnt it. bleed on poison
marble hemlock
its exempt
lone junco
fricking turds
lone junco
was going to be too nice
lone junco
thats the whole point.
finally something that has synergy
but even with full E. you would 6cp CT. fok fok rupture fok fok rupture fok fok rupture fok fok ct.
no bombs.
lone junco
and no need for Restealth. just pull and pull and pull
marble hemlock
depending on the number-tweaking on CT, youd want NS on that one for the 50% bonus to the ticks
marble hemlock
yup
lone junco
seemsgood
let me exang the ct bleed while we are dreaming
6sec
but Baseline Bota would put CT up a notch
10sec over 12 sec.
👌
marble hemlock
im somewhat glad they got rid of bota
lone junco
nayyy
marble hemlock
its just a bad mechanic
lone junco
not for exang. it fits bleed on buff
lone junco
33 wasnt that bad. i would double rupture at the vanish
33x2 was doable
and Bota on CT trash dear jesus.
you would respam CT over and Over at that point
once rupture was up
since no pb. no need env.
maybe for the weave. but numbers.
marble hemlock
youd just keep up the envenom buff for poison procrate
marble hemlock
depends on the packsize i guess
not sure what numbers youre looking at
but with DS
rupture is 195%AP over 28sec
and CT is 35%AP+105%AP over 14sec
at least according to the wowdb tooltips
thats a lot of tickdmg
marble hemlock
yeah
lone junco
rupture 14% x 24 / 2 over 24s
marble hemlock
so CT and rupture ticks are pretty much the same
lone junco
yeah.
given 100ap. it looks like rupture is just a bit less per sec than CT.
VR + CT seems fine. prob need to weave the env for poison hits for E. ugh.
T21 is peak sin rogue .
👌
astral sundial
hmm are you saying CT is going to be single target increase? and we gona use it on top of garote and rupture?
lone junco
CT over Fok or bomb?
@jovial kite figured i would point out the 3E gain.
251 E/min
whats that 5-6 muts
massive deeps inc.
surreal torrent
i didn't read through everything that was said above, but keep in mind that CT has a whole lot of issues on alpha atm https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/180
including tooltip not being totally correct
lone junco
@surreal torrent im not too excited for any of the bleed stuff. I assume we will find something that works better than they intend.
strange python
We don't have any reliable numbers at this time, do we??
prime void
This is why you pull a mizuxe
lone junco
Id really like VV and CT. less E, but at least it is something
strange python
Still fun to feelcraft tho :))))
prime void
and not give a literal fuck till a couple days before live
lone junco
I try to plan class/role based on expected synergy. actual rotations and numbers dont really bother me.
prime void
Exactly
lone junco
I wanted a pure ST dps for legion. I got one.
lone junco
I would be sad to be AoE king, and ST dumpster
prime void
but with PB changes, Sin could be competitive in m+
With a lot less variation
Atleast WW is squish af
shrewd oriole
you mean hunter tisumi?
lone junco
but now, we have AoE Raid, ST and M+ both
prime void
and fun towatch get 1 shot
shrewd oriole
wait you talking about warlock right
lone junco
then it isnt st
lone junco
thats fine. they have multiple power spots.
thats the goal
i just dont want to be a niche bitch
prime void
lone junco
example. Druid resto. losing Healing touch and crit component of regrowth. losing moving tranq. sounds a lot like a pure hot base with no burst. Our resto isnt excited. why would I pick it. numbers aside.
shrewd oriole
fuck me
vestal wren
👍
prime void
you got the FuuApproves
keen inlet
mondaytuesdaywednesdaythursdayfridaysaturdaysunday
vestal wren
still didnt play island expeditions -.-
shrewd oriole
those are the days of the week
although sunday is the first day of the week
so technically it's sundaymondaytuesdaywednesdaythursdayfridaysaturday
lone junco
tis the point. I get one 110 boost. want to make a smart.
leveling is for suckers
vestal wren
it is aviable since last update
didnt get to try it now
cant say exactly till i tryed it out, tho i kind of dont like the idea
lone junco
I like M+ a lot, and dont want them to break it.
vestal wren
m+ will stay as it is i assume
lone junco
without AP, will players trend to faster zones?
vestal wren
well affixes change a bit and we have new doungeons
keen inlet
If they make the islands AI kinda like faction champs ai from Argent Tourney, I think it could be fun.
lone junco
the carrot for M+ grind might change a bit.
vestal wren
lego neck is ap 2.0
lone junco
argent. bleh.
i dont mind things that disencentivise large pulls. but Explosive on Tyr bosses is rude
keen inlet
They did say they aren't happy with many of the new affixes
who knows what'll make it live
terse rune
guys i heard that its worth to delay tb for up to 10 secs if vendetta is comming off cd soon. but what if i have both, kb and tb, ready. can i delay both too or just use them in combination?
lone junco
@terse rune if your vanish is ready and you wear shoulders, and it is in bracer and you have all cds aligning. then go to town.
a limp TB 12 sec before vanish will not do you any favors.
shoulder bracer is a gambling spec anyway.
if you play bracer boot, oncd. cause vanish doesnt do shit.
dense quest
based on proc timing
if everything procs during your window of burst you profit big time
astral sundial
but without boots your vendeta and vanish CD's are always the same?
lone junco
if you run a sim of your best Shoulder bracer gear and your best bracer boot. they will probably have similar averages, but non shoulder (for me) is higher. Average.
If you look at the HTML output, you can see the distribution curves. check out the upper quartile or the max. Shoulders is much higher. due to . . . RNG of pbomb during your vanish. if you get 0, 1, 2, 3.
i prefer consistency of bleed. always high avg. less variance.
but. on farm I play other things for lols and logs.
astral sundial
my sim keeps telling me to run shoulder boots...wrists/boots is 1.7% dps lost even if I switch to mastery gem and enchants
lone junco
so for Shoulders, if your kb tb vendetta and vanish are close, then that vanish can be aligned for max luck
if your raidbots is valuing shoulders, it is because you dont have enough crit to take them off.
lone junco
bracer boot would be nice at 35-100% crit
if you are in the 20s. it will want shoulders.
astral sundial
and in case like this, would you suggest I trust it?
lone junco
1.7 is reasonable and you should probably wear the higher one.
last time i checked, my best Shoulder/bracer was 80k under my best exant
astral sundial
well I doubt I will ever do mythic t20 so no point shooting there
but bracer boots should be viable in poison to right?
dense quest
no not really, I mean if its your only combinations
then sure its sure better than the others
strange python
huh? plenty of people use bracer boot for poison.
manic vigil
Yeah I am
strange python
oh, I meant in general. you do need a good chunk of crit
lucid carbon
M+ is hands down the best with this exp. Keeps dungeons relevant as content and better esport than arena
marble hemlock
Helm+Boots Masterrace
manic vigil
prime void
^ I could see helm boots being fun
higher apm than shoulders bracers
KEK
Is uni EU too?
Why do literally no cool US fuckers play?
manic vigil
German
manic vigil
prime void
I thoroughly enjoyed that boss
marble hemlock
the good ones anyway
marble hemlock
one of those two is a lie then
prime void
please.
marble hemlock
:LUL:
full nimbus
straight up!
full nimbus
wow
spare cloud
it took may way longer than it was supposed to take to finish my warlock weakauras
and I have a few empty spots in it
marble hemlock
didnt call you anything
spare cloud
🤷
marble hemlock
just said youre either not american, or not a good rogue
prime void
But I'm american so
marble hemlock
probably getting NA poisonbombs
when mobs are at 1% health
and its only 1 out of 10mobs left in a pack
manic vigil
Show me you wl wa toph. I have yet to find one I like. And no, I can't do it myself
spare cloud
Just basic stuff
manic vigil
Affli. Tracking all the things while looking hawt like your avatar
