Have you actually tried if you can play the uptimes the apl suggests
#assassination
jovial kite
gilded lark
every class is pretty fucking easy
sour wasp
what spec @indigo glacier ?
indigo glacier
assa
gilded lark
some just have more mechanics than others to balance at the same time
shrewd oriole
@jovial kite you can easily play better than the APL
shrewd oriole
The apl makes so many mistakes with 2p and EP uptime
calm grail
Post some logs 6000j so Tom can make you feel good about yourself.
jovial kite
im asking have you
shrewd oriole
Yeah I have
indigo glacier
I'll grab some of my worse logs, no point in posting my vari logs lol
shrewd oriole
It’s not hard to have more uptime than the APL in stuff like 2p
Which is why alacrity is “good”
indigo glacier
vari normal I still drop some dps from sims 😦
sharp viper
you mean patchwerk legion version
sour wasp
isnt all assa like "get a poison bomb here"?
shrewd oriole
Logs wise yeah
indigo glacier
and my guild doesn't have vari heroic on farm for the casual night, and I can't commit to coming to other nights to do progression 😦
shrewd oriole
Less progress than pugs
sour wasp
=bad guild
indigo glacier
nah, they have heroic down
sour wasp
im so smart
shrewd oriole
He said heroic
calm grail
😎
sour wasp
my guild is stuck on command
spare cloud
shrewd oriole
Gquit my guild is recruiting rogues
echo estuary
Shots fired
shrewd oriole
@sour wasp they should use your hair to sweep the mines
indigo glacier
the guild also had to take a couple week break because we didn't have 20 people for the mythic team. #smallserverproblems
shrewd oriole
@calm grail no joke feel free to apply
orchid prawn
badmanfeels
sharp viper
did they revoke your access to view applications btw
calm grail
If I wasn't an Amerifat I would.
shrewd oriole
Was funny
shrewd oriole
Pullten
orchid prawn
inb4 20 applications
jovial kite
i mean.. you havent even killed argus tom 😄
sharp viper
hejust wants to make fun of people again 🤔
spare cloud
calm grail
Tom even on my roleplay server there are gills that have Argus down.
shrewd oriole
No new apps
woeful summit
who else killed mythic helya before nighthold came out? just me?
calm grail
Guilds*
calm grail
Slagg probably did.
woeful summit
i dont play a rogue top kek
shrewd oriole
We have argus down, just not me 
@jovial kite 350 pulls haHaa
woeful summit
im a ret pally main bro
shrewd oriole
sharp viper
namba wan asesinaron rogue
shrewd oriole
Lmao
spare cloud
I know a mod from ret discord
shrewd oriole
Ret
calm grail
Is he dead?
spare cloud
knowing him, probably dead
woeful summit
i thought this was the ret discord
calm grail
Wowwwww
indigo glacier
Here's my logs for normal agg: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9BG4tJhja2mFDAkq#fight=40&source=22&type=damage-done
orchid prawn
calm grail
You appear to be using Kingsbane poorly.
That's all I got without looking into it more.
spare cloud
indigo glacier
I have
shrewd oriole
Wcl is actually so ass on mobile
calm grail
Have you tried applying it?
What you learned?
Because nothing about that picture reflects the guide.
orchid prawn
when you apply garrote 4s into the fight pepehands, but w/e
spare cloud
shrewd oriole
LOL
sharp viper
what mechanics/phases even exist or not exist on normal argus? haven't been there forever
shrewd oriole
pepehands btw
spare cloud
everything in hc except big bombs i think
indigo glacier
that break is the end of teshlach
calm grail
I've gone back to do that fight just because it's fun having like an extra hundred 50% Mastery for a minute
gilded lark
there are big bombs in normal too
calm grail
150%
spare cloud
Yeah but why though
shrewd oriole
Bombs?
woeful summit
is lileep a good pokemon?
shrewd oriole
On aggra?
gilded lark
we're talking about argus
shrewd oriole
Or is it argus
shrewd oriole
Ah
spare cloud
Not?
sharp viper
what? tb during the last 9 seconds of kb* is viable
orchid prawn
LUL
indigo glacier
thats me using shit on cd, which is what the guide says
shrewd oriole
If envenom was up it’d be correct
shrewd oriole
You don’t need to just envenom during KB. You just need to keep up the buff
gilded lark
using shit on cd is fine
orchid prawn
well you need to pool before KB comes up, so you can keep env up during it
spare cloud
gilded lark
not pooling/planning for it is not fine
calm grail
🍿
sour wasp
what am i seeing
gilded lark
kb and run away
shrewd oriole
Hippity hoppity fudge brownie
indigo glacier
that looks like teshlach lol
spare cloud
Do you not watch boss hp?
calm grail
Even if it was that, why would you run away?
indigo glacier
I run away because I don't want to get hit?
spare cloud
https://gyazo.com/91453b2deafe27007fbfc127388d1efe utility player btw
gilded lark
yes
sour wasp
yeah
shrewd oriole
Why did you vendetta
sour wasp
cloaks line up perfectly for taeshalach
gilded lark
why did you kb before you ran away
indigo glacier
sour wasp
in most normal pugs,id say
gilded lark
linking stuff when you don't even do half of it
shrewd oriole
AHHHHHHHHH
spare cloud
Do you use your brain or do you just blindly follow what guide says?
calm grail
I have a theoretical question TOM
shrewd oriole
For saying assa was easy
gilded lark
tom go sit somewhere
shrewd oriole
This is god punishing me
orchid prawn
😄
gilded lark
it is easy
spare cloud
before you get a heart attack
orchid prawn
it's easy once you know exactly what to do loooooooooooool
shrewd oriole
Clearly it’s not
gilded lark
it's easy if you have a working brain that can make it's own decisions
calm grail
Okay we're doing Imonar say. KB is up but Imonar is going to leave in like five or six seconds for the bridge, do you pop it and take what little damage you can? Or would you still hold it so you could use the full duration?
spare cloud
@indigo glacier can you please link your varimathras logs as well?
gilded lark
not "guide says use on cd, must include right as a transition happens"
shrewd oriole
I’d just use it
spare cloud
or do I have to look myself
shrewd oriole
Otherwise you hold it for ages
sharp viper
if you have shs and cloak you can easily use your CDs during techniques
twin dune
Assassin rogue is master race right?
calm grail
Okay, that's exactly what I do, because it's still going to do minimal damage while he's in the air and it will likely be up by the time I get over there
shrewd oriole
But you can also make the argument to hold it for vendetta once you arrive at the platform
indigo glacier
shrewd oriole
It’s hard to exactly tell you which one is a bigger numerical gain but
I’d say use it personally
sharp viper
@gusty kestrel how much time did you spend creating that
calm grail
That's why I have trouble with, because Vendetta is usually up also by the time I reach the next platform.
But I generally use it anyhow, because I don't like holding it for that long
shrewd oriole
Feels dirty
calm grail
Yeah, obviously it's not optimal missing those last few seconds, but holding it feels like it would be worse
spare cloud
saved it
spare cloud
shrewd oriole
I’ll take the mute for you
calm grail
I had a fun experience the other day when someone decided to Vortex the guys so they spun on the melee
spare cloud
How can you do it wrong every single time
gilded lark
hey toph link your logs
spare cloud
Search for them
gilded lark
lets see if you make any mistakes 
gilded lark
then faaaack off
spare cloud
😦
gilded lark
because i'm pretty sure the last log of yours i saw
sharp viper
evasion and gg, don't care if it is on heroic or lower, let your healers get better logs
spare cloud
Its not even chinese
gilded lark
was fuckin awful
jovial kite
its korean
spare cloud
I've never post a log from me here
shrewd oriole
@jovial kite m tos when???
sour wasp
@gusty kestrel i love you
spare cloud
are you actually actively searching for my logs?
calm grail
Broad confirmed Racist. AMR take note.
spare cloud
Poor man
jovial kite
dunno man last time you bailed 🤔
gilded lark
racist?
sharp viper
maybe the logs are searching for us 🤔
gilded lark
and no i'm not searching yours. iirc you or someone else linked them here
shrewd oriole
I posted that here, I even tagged you
calm grail
You act like your grandma dying is a valid excuse to miss a raid.
spare cloud
Why would someone else search for my logs
calm grail
Casual...
gilded lark
to confirm if the shit you say is worth anything
shrewd oriole
My mom forced me to go up north
It was my great grandmother
So I never actually “met” her tbh
gilded lark
people used to search my logs too lol
echo estuary
I hear people who prefer assa over sub are in a sense comparible to med school dropouts who opt for becoming dentists instead, in this case janitors though
gilded lark
gotta quit rogue so they have nothing to find 
sharp viper
"show bobs, vagene and mythik logs ples"
shrewd oriole
@echo estuary in dungeons sure, in raids assa is def thesurgeon getting mad pus”
@sharp viper that’s my opener to girls
“Rank 7 heroic ;)”
calm grail
I'm pretty sure everyone here has bad logs hidden away except for Tom.
But that's why he hasn't called Argus yet, he won't do it until it's a perfect kill.
spare cloud
I don't, you can easily search for my logs
shrewd oriole
Nah my m logs are private
calm grail
Killed*
sour wasp
that has his bad logs public and proud of them?
spare cloud
I suck but I can help people that suck more
shrewd oriole
Wish they were public
echo estuary
Isnt assa like three buttons? xd
sour wasp
ecksdee
spare cloud
you don't have to play perfect to help someone else
calm grail
It's 2 okay.
shrewd oriole
Low tier bait lul
gilded lark
thats the definition of the blind leading the blind
spare cloud
like wtf if that were the case then nobody here should help
sharp viper
you only need 2, 
and 
shrewd oriole
I mean fuu ended tos 4/9 and is progressing imonar
calm grail
BM hunter.
shrewd oriole
And his guide is still great
gilded lark
yeah because they banned all the top parsers
shrewd oriole
🤷
echo estuary
Sub?
sour wasp
no poison knife?
gilded lark
yes
shrewd oriole
@gusty kestrel ah cmon dude
sharp viper
gilded lark
sub is easy
sour wasp
gloomblade lmao
orchid prawn
maybe tisumi is an actual god and everything is easy
spare cloud
Also just because you top parse doesnt mean you play everything correctly
orchid prawn
it is hard(er) tho
spare cloud
thats a bullshit thing to say
echo estuary
Assa is like the handicap mage spec -- arcane
supple hearth
im 9/11 mythic and bad 🤷 but i wasnt modded for being pvegoddessx
shrewd oriole
Nibren being unbanned was the best event of the week
sour wasp
weak bait still @echo estuary
gilded lark
god(dess)???
orchid prawn
giggle was modded cause his great personality
gilded lark
you're a man
shrewd oriole
@supple hearth mods are glorified baby sitters
gilded lark
stop it
shrewd oriole
None of the mods are or need to be top players
supple hearth
yeh and ur my baby
gilded lark
^
supple hearth
idk about that. I think most of us play
gilded lark
gray hound mains hunter
sharp viper
only 400 IQ players are able to parse high with sub, being forced to play assa because indie devs screwed up the numbers and botched t21_4p
supple hearth
actively is up for debate tho
calm grail
Let's be honest, the only truly intelligent people here are the theory crafters, and they don't even talk in here because we're mostly idiots.
shrewd oriole
Don farms transmog
gilded lark
does loktark still do the outlaw thing
shrewd oriole
Notter is unsubbed
gilded lark
he never talks here so idk
fervent beacon
He only play OL and usually in Outlaw, basic or general
sharp viper
I've seen him in sub a few times
gilded lark
i've seen him here like two times ever
shrewd oriole
Probably too complex for an ok player
gilded lark
i thought he was lost
shrewd oriole
OL*
supple hearth
probably doesnt want to get infected from 🥄 disease coming in here
shrewd oriole
Sometimes outlaw players wander into assa but that’s because it requires about the same brain power
Wow @supple hearth
That emote is banned
fervent beacon
I been start pushing key as sub over sin lately
gilded lark
giggle is like patient 0
spare cloud
Easy to find out
shrewd oriole
Probably not good
orchid prawn
in a bad or good way?
gilded lark
giggle is a closet toxic cunt
shrewd oriole
Probably not fun
cobalt light
Alright, feels like I'm getting the hang of this.
sharp viper
👺
spare cloud
replacement for giggle
sharp viper
apply with your EU rouge is next level
gilded lark
(s)he
spare cloud
I have never been declined
gilded lark
stop it
spare cloud
echo estuary
Is giggle a grill or what?
shrewd oriole
Ye
gilded lark
no
gaunt moat
yes
gilded lark
no
shrewd oriole
She is
sour wasp
no/yes
shrewd oriole
Notter said so
orchid prawn
assuming gender? wow thats p toxic
sharp viper
you can't get declined if they can't say no #chloroform
shrewd oriole
Notter has tried his luck
spare cloud
It's genderfluid
gilded lark
shrewd oriole
Bunnies have needs
shrewd oriole
LOL
supple hearth
@gilded lark they probably do
rocky ruin
Maybe someone could answer my stupid question. In terms of playstyle which of the 3 class outshine the other 2. The classes are rogue,dh and warrior(both spec)
supple hearth
they recently had a lot of people get kicked
supple hearth
progging on mythic argus btw
shrewd oriole
@rocky ruin mate you’re asking that in a rogue discord
civic palm
_>"
spare cloud
I thought you were 9/11
supple hearth
yeah rough when u have roster issues at last boss lol
orchid prawn
@rocky ruin "outshine" wha....?
supple hearth
im not a main raider
civic palm
"Rough"
sour wasp
what do you mean playstyle?
gilded lark
i don't intend on progging shit for the rest of this expansion
spare cloud
@rocky ruin depends on the situation
gilded lark
maybe just get my alts around 950-960 for easy bfa levelling
civic palm
I intend to try and progress but I am not getting bent over by it.
shrewd oriole
Not a great tier
civic palm
AHC to ~4%
shrewd oriole
Argus is shit
civic palm
Down whenever.
gilded lark
prog just frustrates the shit out of me
shrewd oriole
Every other fight before argus
gilded lark
because it's usually
shrewd oriole
Is even more shit
spare cloud
You?
sharp viper
we killed argus with 2 dps going tank and even new trials and constant roster changes (due to players being unavailable and bitchy)
strange python
@rocky ruin "playstyle"? what do you mean? depends on you if you enjoy it
spare cloud
lets hope i don't get kicked this time
civic palm
Farm is time for an alt in another guild on another server.
orchid prawn
prog shit, farm shit, good kill FEELS AMAZING
shrewd oriole
Lul
orchid prawn
lul
gilded lark
rofl
civic palm
G T F O
shrewd oriole
I was actually in for coven
supple hearth
poor iwin all alone in voice
shrewd oriole
Got gloves on 1st kill
gilded lark
oh no
civic palm
wtf are you dingos even yapping about in there
sharp viper
the positive impact a single player has is mostly trivial if the encounters punish the entire raid for personal mistakes
shrewd oriole
@supple hearth unmute him so he can join us
orchid prawn
go ask em
lone junco
🌮
civic palm
EVERYONE GET IN THERE
echo estuary
Can twitch chat confirm if Giggle is a grill
gilded lark
Giggle racist
sharp viper
*insulting
supple hearth
in voice and its still a mystery i guess
sharp viper
👺
spare cloud
Broadsides sounds like a girl tbh
gilded lark
when
supple hearth
gilded lark
jovial kite
sharp viper
that checked mute tho
sharp viper
@supple hearth racist much
civic palm
echo estuary
Uglyface?
spare cloud
Nice account name btw
supple hearth
dw i have a funny accent too
civic palm
Yeah that accountname is fucking OLD too.
mortal orbit
of course this is happening in the sin channel
civic palm
120%
orchid prawn
sin best spec confirmed? most active channel?
mortal orbit
I still don't know what it is, but it is
civic palm
there they are
shrewd oriole
civic palm
I don't have much on alt binds.
mortal orbit
I have alt-5 and F bound to feint
civic palm
spare cloud
Do you have the name of your ability in a macro so you dont forget what they are named
gilded lark
👀
civic palm
The names are for sorting in the menu, anything named is MouseOver.
civic palm
No.
mortal orbit
I shove razors in my mouth
gilded lark
mortal orbit
yeah
civic palm
If you can't press F1 quickly I am not sure what is wrong with you.
I am 33 and am not that slow.
spare cloud
I can but
echo estuary
Dragonslayers dont need more than 10 binds i think
mortal orbit
f1 is bound to targeting myself
civic palm
I can see that.
haha
Mine are also the same across every character.
R is AoE related.
civic palm
A LOT of people seem to do the rebind buttons and leave abilities where they are.
spare cloud
@dire spoke
sharp viper
click everything
echo estuary
I think i had about 80 binds in wrath but then blizzard decided to cater to casuals
spare cloud
nice mouse you use
orchid prawn
crimson vial on 9??!
mortal orbit
elusiveness on alt-9
echo estuary
Clicker...
mortal orbit
hehe
jovial kite
i mean zempai has decent logs for a clicker 🤷🏿
spare cloud
elusiveness?
mortal orbit
the talent for feint
spare cloud
I know
Zempai is probably r1 clicker rogue
he is clicking by default yes
when he moves much he sometimes uses 1-5
but not more
at least thats what he said
smth like that
dawn kettle
do you type out sentences when you raid or? @gusty kestrel
mortal orbit
I mean, at 60 wpm or above it's not too hard
dawn kettle
keybinds couldve fooled me.
dawn kettle
by the end of the night youve got a full 2 page essay
lucid carbon
flint fable
civic palm
haha
spare cloud
wat
flint fable
👀
flint fable
they're usually hidden in the corner of my UI so i have em stacked like that
echo estuary
- points for having detection bound xD i have it in my sprint macro for some reason
spare cloud
detection?
flint fable
only have detection bound for 2nd boss in votw
echo estuary
I only play pvp i dont know what votw is
flint fable
vault of the wardens
jovial kite
detection aka swirlyball is a rogue ability 
spare cloud
new rogue btw
jovial kite
you can cast it mounted too
flint fable
nice to spam ppl w/ that you know have sound on
ornate gazelle
which leggos are best for m+ trash?
echo estuary
It has the animation of dispel or/and oldschool pvp trinket
spare cloud
where do I buy it
flint fable
lil gnome lady by training dummies in orderhall
frosty linden
what can you actually use it for? ive had it for ages but never once found a use
jovial kite
to get the coin purse
echo estuary
Its a button you press when you're bored
flint fable
pretty much ya
spare cloud
Just watched asmongold clear out his desk
jovial kite
survivors bag of coins**
spare cloud
not warrior main anymore btw
echo estuary
Since blizzard pruned aka class fantasied half my bars, detection was my revenge
orchid prawn
@ornate gazelle i use shoulder/bracers for everything
ornate gazelle
Cloak isn't good anymore?
orchid prawn
good for sub, less so for sin
ornate gazelle
Ah, okay. I feel like my AoE is just garbage as sin in m+
orchid prawn
mythic gear you can do ~2-3m without cds on aoe, rest is just pbomb rng
getting good aoe trinks is big
stealthing between packs
orchid prawn
i still use my 930 Glaives from tomb, together with golg or shadowsinged fan
ornate gazelle
ooooo
orchid prawn
havent looked at aoe trinks in antorius, not interested in pushing past +20s
echo estuary
Poisonbomb such rubbish mechanic! I recall in s2 when assa was broken if you RNGd a poisonbomb on full kidney on someone he was done xD
orchid prawn
tomb* fuck
spare cloud
Is notter holding a lesson on bfa mechanics?
gilded lark
did you just notice that people were in voice
keen inlet
spare cloud
Idk, I did I guess 🤷
supple hearth
what does don jose sound like i wonder
spare cloud
40 year old black man
shrewd oriole
A fat American dad
sharp viper
you know the most interesting man ad? like that
jovial kite
thats jose cleaning the millenial shit
keen inlet
I clean up more shit from millennial bashers 😉
frosty linden
Ok so in m+ should you only maintain 3 ruptures? Is it not better to keep up rupture on everything or is the damage gained from the bleeds less than the damage gained from envenoms
sharp viper
The most interesting rogue in the world
keen inlet
?
strange python
lmao, what
vernal adder
hey reta..oh I cant say that.
devout temple
So when doing daily essences in heroic queue, do you guys just afk?
wise frigate
I tend to just stealth ahead and solo bosses.
devout temple
the other guys in my group 3m dps, me 20k 😦
things dead b4 i can even get 1 dot on lol
Is BFA gonna be that bad ?
vernal adder
let other do the hard work if they want
devout temple
What dungeon lvl does sin begin to not be cuck
sharp viper
when poisonbomb procs
devout temple
gg
vernal adder
everbody says go sub for m+ but I would say like 17-18 when you can do something atleast
devout temple
i'd rather not play than do melee shadow pirest
strange python
?
devout temple
i don't like sub
civic palm
"
strange python
sin is still great for m+ man
sharp viper
🥄
civic palm
🔨
devout temple
i can't wiat to get every leggo so i can stop getting embarssed in these daily heroic
by guys 30 lower ilvl
vernal adder
Im bad at explaining stuff anyway
south mica
hey lads, when running shoulders what's the ideal way to use your 2nd vanash
vanish*
and / or subsequent vanishes mid fight
use to reapply strong garotte, then as many envenoms as possible?
strange python
Sub has way better burst and priority damage slightly better mobility and more "consistent" damage.
Sin is better on 1/2/3/4 targets, slightly better at reaaally extended AoE especially long kiting pulls I'd say. Also better survivability.
Sub is just preferred cause you usually pull huge and everyone dumps cooldowns, where Sub can deliver nice Burst AoE. Tends to do better overall damage than sin, especially on stuff <20 or so. Also insane in EoA and everywhere you can pull a prio target with small useless shit, where sub just melts the prio target.
in your daily heroics, sub will always win out cause of its big bursty aoe damage @obsidian valley , then again, dont care about daily HC
sharp viper
preferably during vendetta, you want to use envenom and nightstalker and not garrote
devout temple
kids spec
o ok, well that sucks i'll never play sub i tried it over the week
felt like i was eating glass
south mica
ok so never garotte
vernal adder
I dont recommend eating glass
strange python
what happened that people are actually in voice here @civic palm
wise frigate
fervent beacon
No
sharp viper
no
normal plover
Oh hello 👋🏽
celest mirage
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
zenith cloak
using NS should i be vanish garroting? i keep seeing other rogues doing it while wearing boots bracers
strange python
think NS rupture is more damge then ms garrote
no idea tho
guide suggests it tho
sharp viper
rupture with NS boots bracers, garrote with subterfuge
@shrewd oriole did you wake up now?
fervent beacon
No mantle, you rupture. Mantle, you env. E-z.
prime void
I vanish garrote with ns
sharp viper
just no
devout temple
lol
steep obsidian
I vanish kick with ns
dire spoke
morning
quick ice
Swirly ball is always the meta option
spare cloud
verbal pebble
for poison build is there a point where mastery soft caps?
gilded lark
that's still low
verbal pebble
OK
dire spoke
I'm trying to make 150% with 45% crit happen but it's still below default build
verbal pebble
so whats a good amount of crit to have with 180+ mastery?
dire spoke
30% +
gilded lark
as much as possible
marble hemlock
pretty good gear, and eye of command :p
dire spoke
42 not your base crit?
marble hemlock
38% without eye
daring gazelle
i thought crit was not as good with mantle
dire spoke
oh
daring gazelle
and set bonus
marble hemlock
mantle diminished the crit-value, yes, but t21 pulled it back up
and eventually youre not running mantle for singletarget anyway
gilded lark
wew can't even play wow
dire spoke
well you don't wear mantle when you can make 45%
gilded lark
10k ping
daring gazelle
go boots instead
gilded lark
yet ping everywhere else is fine
marble hemlock
😦
cant get rid of my avoidance though
3k avoidance in ST gear
first world problems
gilded lark
fuck this
quick ice
did you get OCE'd?
gilded lark
nah, i had just logged in
quick ice
because that's been happening to me when I play on US servers lately
gilded lark
on sargeras
made sure everyone around me was sarg as well, and oce ping is like
250-350
not 8271 lol
quick ice
🤷
gilded lark
yes
grim canopy
i only like Sin, but i'm not gonna be able to do high key for a while. Should i just go a diff class?
i don't find anything interesting about doing half the aoe of people well below me
gilded lark
pray for pb
grim canopy
yeah but that only works in high keys
dire spoke
grim canopy
i mean its a higher likely hood in higher keys
fervent beacon
I'm running sin in 18-20 with np
civic palm
Same proc. chance regardless of difficulty.
Rupture better on targets that live longer.
grim canopy
i mean more chances
civic palm
PBomb just fries things with low health.
marble hemlock
sin is fine in m+
just need pk relics
only thing you dont have is on demand burst aoe
marble hemlock
yeah
marble hemlock
need pk relics for lower keys
civic palm
PK does shit in that case.
marble hemlock
since a lot of your damage is going to be just spamming fok during mantle on trash
grim canopy
but people won't invite me for higher keys since im kinda low myself
civic palm
Yeah I'd like to go EX but the gear required is dramatic.
grim canopy
so 4p and shoulders and still can't beat a random idiot ret pressing 1 button
civic palm
Wanna try Malch/BB bracers/boots but the relic system is stupid.
Well they're not random idiots, they just have a button for AoE.
marble hemlock
well, hard to compete on somebody elses home-turf
gilded lark
tyrannical week 
grim canopy
well Sin is the only spec i like so i guess ill try another class
marble hemlock
just keep at it
civic palm
Do what you like doing.
marble hemlock
im playing sin in high keys and im doing perfectly fine
civic palm
Grind that shit out.
gilded lark
yeah just give up when you have one run that doesn't go your way
grim canopy
but i don't like people lower lvl beatring me
marble hemlock
if you dont enjoy assa in lower keys, thats understandable
gilded lark
lol
marble hemlock
it gets better the higher you get though
fervent goblet
Its going to happen...
gilded lark
so say you reroll ret then
civic palm
Yeah well people that are lower item level than you beating you is ALWAYS going to happen.
gilded lark
you'll get to the boss
marble hemlock
but if you wanna beat other people on a consistent basis
gilded lark
then the rogue will put you in the ground
civic palm
Because you are not perfect, and Poison Bomb is too much damage.
grim canopy
lol
gilded lark
and you'll bitch
marble hemlock
rogue isnt the class to play right now
gilded lark
and come back to rogue
grim canopy
WW?
marble hemlock
gotta roll ww, mm or affli for that
gilded lark
i just wanna be able to play 
grim canopy
around what item lvl can i get invites to +15
gilded lark
pug? good luck
fervent goblet
Just play the damn classs/spec you enjoy. They are all viable.
gilded lark
get a guild
marble hemlock
theres no golden rule
a lot of people these days are asking for a specific mscore
which you only get by doing 15 already
grim canopy
i enjoy Sin but i have to close my damage meter until we get to boss cause i get angry
marble hemlock
so youre generally better off making your own group
gilded lark
or getting a guild
civic palm
Calm down > _>
fervent goblet
Just like not every spec is built for ST.
marble hemlock
well
fervent goblet
If Sin is what you enjoy, then play it....its that simple.
grim canopy
double the boss hp in bfa mythics
marble hemlock
dont look at the damage meter while playing
have it show at the end of the dungeon
youre not gonna be happy as an assa rogue when you constantly see people doing 10+mil on a pull, which you can barely do even with good pb luck
at the end you usually still come out ahead though, because of the consistency the spec provides
grim canopy
like it does more dmg than my aoe sometimes
dire spoke
byebye NS https://snag.gy/Bl39cR.jpg
marble hemlock
if you only got 3 dps with great aoe, youre gonna have troubles with certain dungeons/pulls, so its good to have different strengths/weaknesses complementing each other
civic palm
.3% matters. HA
dire spoke
lol
gilded lark
every % matters when you're clicking
dire spoke
yeah
civic palm
M A R G I N S
marble hemlock
had DS talented by mistake?
marble hemlock
lol
dire spoke
ran a new one with NS all fine
whew
seems like I cared about not refreshing rup inside 2. KB to much, APL does it anyway
I wish I could look at the sample like a log
obviously I shouldn't care about anything that I critic in other logs https://snag.gy/mtlEfW.jpg
lol
gaunt moat
reee
dire spoke
sup noots
gilded lark
notistic screeching
gaunt moat
body hurts.
dire spoke
@gaunt moat I need music for tonights raid, what should I hear
looked in guide, wasn't mentioned
gaunt moat
dire spoke
better ask weak
fiery nest
you want Future Funk Vaporwave 😃
Ｓａｉｌｏｒ Ｖｅｎｕｓ ｌｏｖｅｓ ｙｏｕ．
this is an amazing mix too, it's more a summery vaporwave
very bright
gilded lark
fiery nest
how do i do that notter? the triangles
gilded lark
you edit them in using your hands
dire spoke
<link>
gilded lark
dire spoke
the brackets hide previews
dire spoke
afk bakery
grim canopy
what i didn't know feral druid had so much aoe
grim canopy
i reall ypicked hte 1 class w/out aoe? lol
gilded lark
..
sin has aoe
not burst aoe unless you're lucky
but aoe nonetheless
problem is, other specs have burst aoe, and since you're doing low end content
ye
shit dies
grim canopy
so sin only for mythic raiders
gilded lark
grim canopy
what class would you recommend
gilded lark
do you even read what people tell you
steep obsidian
learn sub? that has the burst for low keys
or reliable burst
monk is good at everything atm but its fotm and a million of them
dire spoke
sub requires skillcapzism 
ouhh I boosted rogue because I saw once it's broke af now I try this spec and it does no damage and therefore I hate it
ornate gazelle
In M+ with Cloak, do I want to be FoK'ing off CD or building a couple stacks each?
dire spoke
I lurked your idea yesterday mize
civic palm
hmm?
dire spoke
liked the uptime visual on your CDs
and did this https://snag.gy/l92sNJ.jpg
not sure if I keep it tho, I like bars
civic palm
Just got a weirdo idea... hmmm
faint aspen
where can I find the crucible string?
dire spoke
@civic palm do it 
civic palm
Working on it, will get a screenie in a second.
Gonna be weird.
So the idea...
is the replace the normal icons... with minimalistic ones.
dire spoke
illuminati confirmed
civic palm
Yeah pffft
fast nacelle
😐
dire spoke
spend 12h and make it a chinese monk WA
civic palm
Nah that's too much custom coding for me.
I like the CP even though I will probably not use them.
civic palm
I switched like halfway through the expac.
Just, really easy to see.
Well this was a good idea > _>
dire spoke
it is a fact that our brains can track visually presented factors much faster than translate numbers into some other logic
civic palm
In this case it's about not looking for icons at all, but the number being literally easier to see on the screen.
The numbers are so different from everything else on the screen that they stick out.
dire spoke
for me it's a yes and no
civic palm
and I don't know why I didn't do this earlier for Mantle.
the top icon is the old icon
dire spoke
if you have a cluster of numbers you will cuck yourself
that's why you felt like adding a visual to your cooldowns
civic palm
Nah this just looks cool.
dire spoke
taking a peek at rupture uptime is fine
dire spoke
really?
civic palm
Yeah.
So the big problem for me with tracking DURATION on important debuffs.
and CDs.
Is that it's fucking impossible to plan well with a relative bar.
whereas a number is literal
KB up in 5, RUP down in 10
bars without number or just the icon don't do much for me there.
But this Mantle tracker is just looks.
and I am tracking - with these animations - KB uptime, Vendetta uptime, TB uptime