for 20
#assassination
lone junco
dire spoke
we have 3 DKs ...
shrewd oriole
The fight with 3 dks is trivial tbh
The rng doesn’t even matter
On 2 dks youcan get some nasty rng
dire spoke
obviously our melee DK is to stupid
dire spoke
lone junco
anyone in here play protpal for aggramar?
echo crest
hi guys got eye of coommand today
dire spoke
warm canopy
its all about insta gripping 4x adds in on aggramar
dire spoke
we have a prot there
echo crest
does eye of command works fine in raidbots sim?
shrewd oriole
Yes
echo crest
how can i sim 2 target swap encounter?
i dont know how to test trinket for different antorus bosses
dire spoke
clicker opener right there
warm parcel
Thats pretty crisp
dire spoke
I linked it cus of our prot Noobe, if you want to lurk something
warm parcel
Like naya level pb
lone junco
our prot is using the big defensive cone for aggramar slam
he can cover 2 hits.
i think
stand still do nothing channel a cone,
its a pretty awkward cd. but it seems to fit there
echo crest
can someone help with that trinket question? i have a eye of command 940 and singed fang 945
lone junco
@echo crest yeah, just use raidbots gear compare. will be argus 1000 + Eoc for single
spare cloud
where you have to swap target at least
spare cloud
Most of the time for PB EoC 940 is barely worse than 960 Fang
but thats patchwerk ofc
echo crest
but for target swap there is no chance eye would be better right?
spare cloud
On Garothi for example its probably better
lone junco
@dire spoke well the thing is, they do the tank dance, and he fires that cone off, and some times boss turns and smashes us in the face. I assume it is bad tank play from the druid, but i was wondering if the cone has a threat mechanic.
@echo crest https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/gear
echo crest
yeah i did that but fight style?
should be what?
cuz i think my eoc is better than singed in every fight
at least the ilvls i have
lone junco
Patchwerk. 100k nightly. 5min. Per usual. Do a argus + eoc. Argus + fang. And a eoc fang.
spare cloud
by how much?
echo crest
no chance for buff drop
lone junco
Always look at % difference. Things less than 1% are largely up to you.
echo crest
+12 000
lone junco
There is a button to click on the summary page.
0.5% ish. I would use eoc on garothi and Varith and argus I guess.
echo crest
0.6
lone junco
It's in the up to you range.
With mouseover macros for env and rupture you can do better.
The buff is reset with auto attacks.
(Mouseover for multi target ofc.
echo crest
and imonar?
tiny vapor
Gorshalach's pretty bad for Assa right ?
lone junco
sim your tinkets. and yes
tiny vapor
I was wondering about M+, if there was any point in using it.
I do sim my trinkets
I know it's bad for ST
echo crest
that yes was for me?
lone junco
i use hecticaddcleave.6boss. 1 min fights for m+
its the best tool i have without using advanced for the 30sec windows
echo crest
on herodamage for 2 and 3 targets it says my eoc still better xD
lone junco
then use it. at 0.6% it is up to you. in 2-3 target, if you allow the buff to constantly be reset, then you might be better off with fang.
brazen vine
@lone junco @lone junco @echo crest @echo crest @echo crest @echo crest @echo crest @echo crest
lone junco
dont do that
tiny vapor
Haha, it's 20k in front of my stat stick, pretty bad :x
tiny vapor
I'll try at least once I guess,
tiny vapor
15yd cone in front of you.
wind gull
Anyone on here in a mythic guild that is looking for another rogue? My guild is never going to get to mythic and I am looking to upgrade.
dire spoke
look in #255445422707965953
wind gull
@dire spoke lol. Didn't realize that recruitment was a channel. Damn I am special.
shrewd oriole
H3h3 new video
“Welcome to the weekly show about words that you can’t say anymore”
We should make a RH version
Welcome to the weekly show about emojis that the mods banned
civic palm
Well stop attaching insanity to the emojis and things will be fine...
shrewd oriole
🚓
dire spoke
🍆
civic palm
Why are cops taking away our kitchen knives?
Well people can't stop stabbing people... sooooooooo...
shrewd oriole
Hopefully when we get to true utopia we won’t use words anymore, we’ll just say c word and m word
spare cloud
shrewd oriole
I burnt my finger yday and it looks weird af
shrewd oriole
dire spoke
can you still use your keybinds?
spare cloud
pop it
civic palm
Yeah that's gonna happen.
shrewd oriole
No
spare cloud
pop it
shrewd oriole
No
civic palm
bop it
spare cloud
dire spoke
twist it
shrewd oriole
@dire spoke why are you not in the cool kids server
dire spoke
tank chat? 
gilded lark
poe 
d3 chat when
nah poe isn't bad fr but it's not noob friendly and i am poe noob
😦
spare cloud
Don't join, you're just gonna see me asking stupid questions
shrewd oriole
Toph is noob as wel
gilded lark
that makes me want to join
shrewd oriole
But he’s learning
spare cloud
we can learn together
strange python
yooo whaaaaduuup
dire spoke
go back to work Silje
shrewd oriole
Join server
shrewd oriole
The hell is ptx
dire spoke
shrewd oriole
Oh
lone junco
Nb. Tb is shit in cleave anyway.
And if you can chain Alac from pull to pull. Your prob better off.
shrewd oriole
Wish TB was a buff
Shit like vendetta and Tb being debuffs make no sense
🤷
Could just make it
Coat your weapon in an extra power substance increasing the damage your poisons deal for 10 seconds
Sup
Yeah it’s flicker
P shit build
And hurts your eues
Decente for softcore tho
It’s pretty shit to play
You’re not in control and sometimes you just die
Flicker into melee range of a rare mob that hits hard? Dead
Low roll on charges? Dead
Single target? Shit
dire spoke
🤦 wtf
shrewd oriole
Yeah lol
Dirtydan is the best poe player
He’s so good
Manual log out too
What a man
His pheromones made me wet
spare cloud
tom did the bubble pop yet
shrewd oriole
fiery nest
dire spoke
I hate Einhar already
gaunt moat
oh cool. got alpha now.
keen inlet
when they get alpha and you don't
gaunt moat
apparently there's been a big invite wave
fiery nest
someone in my guild gives a bunch of people F&F invites 
altho at the start it's just the basic shit that was at the previous year's blizzcon with a million things NYI so its really not that great
not even worth playing it until 3 or 4 patches in
normal plover
Hey guys
It’s Friday let’s party
Ps would they email me if I got an alpha invite
bold dune
I got my email several days after actually getting access
wouldn't count on getting access yet
gaunt moat
i didn't get an email
summer moon
BEST % crit with 969 equip?
bold dune
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/stats you're welcome
fervent goblet
What would your Damage percentage breakdown look like at an optimal dps level?
spare cloud
pb 40%
shrewd oriole
Just check a log from a st fight
fervent goblet
But I was specifically wanting you to tell me Tom.. Just you.
shrewd oriole
civic palm
@gaunt moat Emails can be extremely slow and mail blasting can differ from service to service. As an example, GMAIL can be shockingly slow > _>
devout temple
I just wanna be clear on this, but its not possible for a rogue to beat a arcane mage right?
i can't even hit this guy
gaunt moat
seems legit
devout temple
i'm assassination
dire spoke
I'm memeing
devout temple
so its not possible?
devout temple
i've never seen such a 1 minded fight
i literally can't get 1 attack off
sided*
im gonna stick to pve
dire spoke
if you don't have fight control as a rogue you're just doing it badly
devout temple
but all those blinks
dire spoke
LoS him
gaunt moat
*if you're playing pvp in wow, you're doing it badly
devout temple
it was the new bg big open field
civic palm
SO, calling it now...
The International 8 Battle Pass will include a code for Artifact Beta.
devout temple
so just gank them when they have low HP with team mates/
?
just dont attack mage 1v1 i guess
dire spoke
new phone who dis
keen inlet
DIDNEY WHORL
gilded lark
pvp is a minigame for casuals
keen inlet
didney "canon"
shrewd oriole
Disney has better lore than wow
gaunt moat
installing alpha > creates folder named "Beta"
WOW, nice QA blizz
unplayable basically.
civic palm
Hey they're just getting you ready for the beta, that's all.
solar fog
did lots of tries on mythic dogs today, i basically spam feint on every damaging ability and crimson vial , do you guys also do that?
civic palm
That's kinda forced/implied by the fire patches.
solar fog
i'm talking about mostly the purple thing we have to stack and the explosive debuff
civic palm
Nah.
gilded lark
tell your healers to suck it up
civic palm
That's some pretty minimal damage.
from Siphon and from uhh...
flame...
explosion.
Also you're stacking for Siphon, probably being blanketed in heals.
solar fog
i dun goofed then 🤔
gaunt moat
staying alive is a dps gain though
civic palm
If you could feint the damage and live, after not having taken tons of poor damage, that's on the healers.
Healers can't just assume you're going to feint every little bit of damage.
I mean they can... but still.
Also, if you could feint the damage and live, better off popping a lock rock.
or a pot.
solar fog
it's our first time doing the boss, so people are focusing on survival
dire spoke
@solar fog give one player each dog a mark to stack and make movement calls
gilded lark
chads don't feint
civic palm
People die, bad idea.
Have people start stacked on a foot, that's good enough.
I feint at low health on Eonar cause the healer ain't where they're supposed to beeeeeeeeee.
solar fog
yea we're stacking in the right foot
dire spoke
red doggy is movement, purple just need to get healed tbh
solar fog
people are still derping tho so i think marking someone to follow on each dogs is a good idea
dire spoke
I never feinted on purple
civic palm
The damage from Siphon needs to be healed, the damage from the delayed fire debuff needs to be taken ~8y from other players.
You lose that Mark and people will be lost.
dire spoke
blame the healers 
civic palm
Well for the healer things > _> sure.
I dealt with it for 8 years they can deal with it for now.
and they have even fuzzier healing now than I did!!
NO COMPLAINING!!
vital zenith
Alright guys, so here's the dilemma: I've got Dreadlord's Deceit, Empty Crown, and Insignia of Ravenholdt - which two leggos do I equip?
civic palm
vital zenith
gotchu, thanks for the advice
devout temple
MAN assassinations single target so good it hurts to play my ret
gilded lark
you poor soul
civic palm
Yeah but throw like, 3 targets at us that live for ~10 seconds > _>
devout temple
wait what its no good?
civic palm
How are you meant to do damage when the target dies to fast?
While the Ret is spinning in his fucking ♿
devout temple
;lol
gilded lark
gleaming island
Quick question: Nightborne or undead?
dire spoke
@vital zenith god damn, you have the same avatar like my guildie rogue mate
you scared me
civic palm
Slow Answer: Whichever you like better.
devout temple
orc
civic palm
NOT AN OPTION!!
devout temple
and then become straight in bfa
gleaming island
Im belf right now but meh
gilded lark
because right now all orcs are gay 
civic palm
Already Masterrace and wants to change > _>
gilded lark
takes an expansion to take the gay away
dire spoke
civic palm
Though to be fair, BE is getting the nerfbat come BfA.
devout temple
The silence is OP
civic palm
I mean... it's so far only gotten a +1min change.
Should be 3min Blizz... Spatial Rift is already 3min and it ain't THAT great.
dire spoke
changes like this are always like 'WHAAAAAT' in the first place
cheatdeath change tho
looked super huge, now I don't even know how I managed to die before the nerf
civic palm
Yep.
At first Outlaw was like, "Why does Blade Flurry have a CD/charge time now Blizz?!"
now they are like, "IT STILL HAS CHARGES BLIZZ!!"
dire spoke
civic palm
Though I do like that they are trying to make it more active than just turning it on and forgetting about it.
Just make them pump it but have 2 charges, 10 second duration, 10 second recharge, or;
15-20second recharge, influenced by Haste Rating.
ezpz Haste even better for AoE now.
civic palm
Vermintide 2 twitch integration is 120% about how much you can fuck with the streamer.
HOW HARD CAN YOU KILL THE STREAMER?!
devout temple
LOL outlaw
civic palm
You can give the streamer potions/etc.
Cause mob spawns to happen.
events, that kinda thing.
and I think only 1 person has to have their chat connected for the chat to give something to anyone on the team.
There were times where Moonmoon's chat was spawning ~3 Rat Ogres on top of each other.
Though I wonder if killing the large monster pays out in the end.
Either in like, XP or chest upgrades.
fleet hill
Rip my mastery
civic palm
Yeah well, you paid for it by having 9% haste like a mongol.
fleet hill
2p have haste, and 1 I can't swap out till I get bracers
civic palm
GL in getting them soon.
fleet hill
Havent had a decent pair of gloves drop to swap out my tier gloves either
civic palm
=\
fleet hill
But my energy regen is high so I have that going for me whic is nice I guess.
devout temple
I only played Sin in wotlk and now in legion, has it always been the same just mutilate and envenome at 4-5
or did they ever try something weird like how outlaw and sub are
fleet hill
You env/Mut at 4-5 because you dont want to waste cp
dire spoke
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
gilded lark
not sure either of you understood the question
but if you played rogue in wotlk you'd remember there were a lot more buttons lol
fervent beacon
pressing hunger for blood 3x when you get bleed up
good time 👌
and i believe you also had cold blood, so it was 100% crit chance on use for your next ability
zenith cloak
so im using bracers boots 2 master ass relics and a Master alch relic but my vendettas don't line up with each kb and tb my ven is like 20 seconds off. Do i wait for ven to come off cd or do i just use KB and tb
gilded lark
no amount of master assassin relics makes vend line up with tb/kb
go read the guide
zenith cloak
im reading it now, so dont wait for them to line up?
gilded lark
no
zenith cloak
ok ty
gilded lark
finish reading the guide
dire spoke
lol
fervent beacon
Everything is basically on CD
fervent beacon
i need an addon that does screamo music blaring into my headphone to reapply my poison
zenith cloak
my weak aura has a giant "?" in the middle of my screen telling to me to apply poisons
pallid magnet
how many pulls on p1 argus can i start believing my guild is retarded
zenith cloak
5
gilded lark
with your wrongly spelled username, never.
pallid magnet
nice dude
gilded lark
this is an achievement for starving to death in miscreated 
plain thistle
got bored tonight, remade my WA's , https://wago.io/Hk97Xy-Yf if anyone is interested 😛
made with the idea that mizerok posted last night
devout temple
oo i like that background behind icons doing a coutndown
plain thistle
yeah, he posted this last night - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421723454241243137/421758478265221134/unknown.png - , i liked it too and tried to make my own vesion of it
the only thing I changed about the icons is that it doesn't show the CD when TB-KB-Vendetta is active on the target, i feel like its too much number clustered together
plain thistle
I once was a bar guy, no more 😂
I once was a big icon guy, no more
now I like my UI small and almost in the middle of the screen
dire spoke
good choice
well I have icons for bleeds, dots in general
but I find active cooldowns easier to track with bars
plain thistle
the new thing im trying with this UI is number for combo point, my old UI is like frame with "squares" for combo points
dire spoke
yeah
it's a personal thing for sure
I highly embrace tracking optical stuff over numbers
lucid carbon
You could have a changing colour on the number, ex red on 4-5 combo points
dire spoke
yeah that would help, that's why you added the border to cooldowns aswell - the optical progress helps a lot
plain thistle
its already doing that @lucid carbon , yellow for 3, orange for 4 and red for 5 😃
dire spoke
👌🏻
plain thistle
and for energy it turns red if you dont have the energy to cast 1 mutilate (55)
dire spoke
I like how you organized poisons and bleeds
what's the light green vertical bar ?
KB?
dire spoke
oh
plain thistle
green= melee range
dire spoke
smooth
plain thistle
😃
dire spoke
now I want to reorganize mine aswell 
gj you shitter
plain thistle
I think i put that hateful poison bomb WA there too, 😂 just to trigger ppl
but its set to only load on dungeon if I remember corretly
dire spoke
add a the moan sound for the procc
plain thistle
today I made a WA to my guild pala retri, its /yells when someone dies saying "thanks for the retribution 'player name', noob!"
😂
dire spoke
plain thistle
he will love it, for sure
plain thistle
yeah, a addon that changes every icon for some addons
you need to download masque and after that get the "ElvUIesque"
there a bunch of other packs for icons
dire spoke
I see
plain thistle
☹
plain thistle
yeah, doing that 😛
plain thistle
yeah thats odd, maybe I got that font with some other addon.
🤔
need to research that, and I found a couple bugs in my WA, uploading it again 😂
dire spoke
lol
I know how shitty sharing WAs is
consider ppl suddenly switch to anti, alac, EP
boop
that's why I don't
plain thistle
I have been using my own WA since legion started basically, glad i never had this problem
ahha
plain thistle
the only thing I do is important minor things and trying to make my own version of it
dire spoke
are you using kuinameplates?
plain thistle
yes
dire spoke
the font is there
plain thistle
omg, I totally forgot about feint, damn it
plain thistle
well, thanks for the chat @dire spoke , going to bed, almost 3 AM here 😛
dire spoke
👋🏻
sacred citrus
Hey guize.
Sob story time.
Mythic Imonar.
Was doing 1.9m DPS.
2% wipe because the GM started distracting everyone.
Rip-a-roni
Look at how many people care about my sob story.
Thanks guize.
😪
wraith fog
sacred citrus
Ty
wraith fog
you not special
sacred citrus
You made me feel special for 1 second.
wraith fog
Jump off a bridge
gilded lark
i don't think he was crying for you.
sacred citrus
Thanks broad.
gilded lark
u suk
dire spoke
🤦🏻
sacred citrus
Ty for brining me back to reality broad.
ornate gazelle
should i always be refreshing rupture at full combo points or is 4 okay? like do i mutilate once more for 5 or nah?
dire spoke
I'm working on my WAs, when do we pandemic garr again? 3s ?
slate tulip
shut willow
I had a 4% wipe on mythic imonar with 0 pb through the fight and was #1 DPS and 3rd last to die
lone junco
@dire spoke .3 of 18 is 5.4. So 6?
ornate gazelle
so never mut at 4 cp and rupture is worth refreshing at 4cp, don't waste the cp from mut to get a 5 cp rupture?
zealous dew
finishers at 4+
ornate gazelle
but don't mut at 4 to rupture or envenom?
zealous dew
i don't mut at 3 with 7pk
so at 4 unless garrote is in pandemic just rupture / envenom
tame cobalt
If imusing boots wrists is it worth farming t20 2piece?
devout temple
Bleed build for pvp right?
dire spoke
yeah, garrote at 4 if it's around pandemic - then env or rupture with 5
you also can TB at 4 if it's off CD and envenom with 5 - but never rupture then
zealous dew
b/w is viable with 2p 4p poison, depends on offpieces
wins for sure in cleave
like coven
devout temple
Is there some kind of rogue pvp site
sharp viper
meh coven fucks that boots/wrists with storm of darkness
devout temple
i can't get any info anywere
zealous dew
you can also play wb 4p
devout temple
and i getting rekt cimpared to my afflock who owns everyone
gilded lark
because pvp is shit
devout temple
my afflock just 1v1s anything with ease my rogue not os muc
sharp viper
as I said, there is a dedicated pvp channel on this discord
devout temple
It's empty
tame cobalt
My wrists boots sim only around 6k less then boots shoulders and i like not using shoulders :D
devout temple
ill try the wow forums i guess
So far my sin is my worst pvp char but best pve lol
gilded lark
there's pins galore
in pvp channe;
sample builds, links to resources
use your eyes
sharp viper
no way someone wouldn't read pins
i am certain everyone does that before asking questions
tame cobalt
Reading pins in 2018 lul
sharp viper
sometimes even mantle boots can be better than mantle bracers or bracers boots, all depends on the encounter
tame cobalt
Mantle bracers have worst sims by far for me
north basin
on what do u spend shards btw? since arcanecrystal not so relevant for us. what else?
sharp viper
you should always try to fit your sim around the encounter you are going to progress or want to improve upon
ornate gazelle
crit stat stick or relics
tame cobalt
@sharp viper do you know why 3 master assassin relics sim a lot worse than 2?
ornate gazelle
do you have master assassin crucible traits? @tame cobalt
tame cobalt
ye, i mean if i use 2 i sim like 30k more then if i take the third one
ornate gazelle
you might hit the sweet spot due to an additional master assassin crucible trait alreadyy
sharp viper
probably because oyu are using boots?
sharp viper
can you maybe link those sims?
tame cobalt
ye, sec, siming now
this is wrists
a little bit much sims cause i was siming all the combo i can take
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bAhA7VPmi2N4kLUH6YpnmF this is wrist boots
zealous dew
:=
vernal adder
whew lad
fervent beacon
That's pretty legit, got WAs?
warm parcel
Not like thats something one needa o bring up repeatedly
shrewd oriole
Yes it is
No one can forget about it weak
We must brand zempai as the clicker
For the whole world to see
😠
dire spoke
okay
fervent beacon
I remember the good time clicking my abilities back leveling in vanilla. Never ever once used snd as well, it was just BS/Evis.
warm parcel
😩
iron portal
Out of curiosity, what kind of proffs are u guys running
shrewd oriole
Alchemy herbs
iron portal
Damn. Just thinking what shall I pick (also thinking ahead to bfa), since main got alc herb and other alt got enc/tail
Is skinning/lw any worth
?
shrewd oriole
Not rly
jovial kite
depends on what you value :p
vestal wren
engineering and ench are not money makers
shrewd oriole
Gathering makes a crap load of cash
lucid carbon
Cooking is decent as well
heavy plover
Anyone here run assas in m+?
dire spoke
@jovial kite 
heavy plover
I know sub is better, but theres still people who run assas
was just going to ask if you run glaives as assas aswell
Yeah, cause i'm working on getting them and mostly play assas so was just wondering
shrewd oriole
Don’t bother
Not really worth
But then again
Don’t play assa in dungeons
@gusty kestrel dude I slept like 9 hours today
lucid carbon
Doesnt matter unless you are pushing high keys tbh
heavy plover
I prefer assas, so i'll play assas. How come it's not worth it? I see alot of sub rogues still using them is that cause it pairs well, with symbols and dance?
shrewd oriole
Cuz sub has damage modifiers
heavy plover
Yeah thought so
shrewd oriole
@lucid carbon I mean, on low keys sub blows assa out of the water by an even larger margin
heavy plover
I feel like assas is okay on some tyranical dungeons
lucid carbon
Things die so quick anyways so noone cares
heavy plover
Tisumi what score are you?
strange python
race-spells i mean
lucid carbon
Blood Elf for qol in m+ tbh
strange python
but some do give certain advantage
strange python
not necessarily dps
shrewd oriole
Ye
If you wanna play the best race, play belf
If you don’t care, play whatever
Difference outside of m+ is really not substancial
It’s like 20-30k at best
strange python
like night elf rogues can escape easier
lucid carbon
If you are frugal, play panda
strange python
but troll rogues regen energy faster?>
i mean energy regen should play a part in DPS no?
shrewd oriole
What do you mean they regen energy faster
drifting cosmos
they regen hp faster
shrewd oriole
And they have berserking
strange python
the troll active gives haste?
drifting cosmos
on a 3min cd
keen inlet
Goblin for hasted bleeds in bfa 
strange python
but what are good and why?
shrewd oriole
Blood elf cuz 1% crit and energy regen
Dwarf cuz 1% crit damage
Human cuz passive stats
drifting cosmos
😃 or nb for 1% bigger pb dmg
shrewd oriole
Nightborne is shit
shrewd oriole
Shit actives, shit passives
shrewd oriole
Htauren is good for tanking
Alliance is trash so who cares lul
Yeah but troll is just better lol
drifting cosmos
hows that so for casters
shrewd oriole
Don’t think nb beats troll for casters
shrewd oriole
Oh wow it does actually
For mage at least
Dwarf is still twice as good as Nb tho LUL
Alliance tho 😦
Troll is way ahead of NB
drifting cosmos
i wonder thats horde to alliance population ratio like
drifting cosmos
like here no one likes alliance
drifting cosmos
whats the goblin passive
drifting cosmos
at least its good for something
shrewd oriole
Lul
chrome mural
Haste is gunna affect bleeds in bfa right?
drifting cosmos
🤔 and it might change in bfa
shrewd oriole
For mage and for lock
I mean it won’t change because the strength of these races is within the specs mechanics
So unless they completely change how lock / mage scale with haste
Which they won’t
drifting cosmos
good point
shrewd oriole
Troll is still gonna be king
drifting cosmos
thats like one more legendary
or close
but i like they change how we scale with haste, so maybe next expansion dont need to sell all haste gears then
yea i just hope it wont be as bad as it is now
drifting cosmos
lol...
shrewd oriole
I could easily see haste being our best stat
drifting cosmos
🤷
shrewd oriole
Imagine haste exsang
lethal heart
idk affli is so retarded strong right now because of artifact aswell
shrewd oriole
Yeah that’s not my point I’m just saying that dot specs that scale with haste normally have haste as one of their best stats
drifting cosmos
without*
lethal heart
i just hope they wont butcher too many specs
becasue they will cut a lot of traits
and well legendaries aswell
shrewd oriole
I hope sub and outlaw get some changes lmao
lethal heart
and some specs feel flat without only legendaries alone
luckily traits for sub arent thaaaaaaaaaaaat gamebreaking
energettic stabbing is nice
finality is nice
i hope they make shoulders a talent in t2 row
shrewd oriole
I mean that’s the case for sub
Sub feels garbage rn on alpha
I really hated it
Just cuz
No aoe
St feels starved
lethal heart
yea
no energettic stabbing
you probably need to play shadow focus or vigor lol
or maybe even both
shrewd oriole
I was playing vigor
lethal heart
just to not feel starved xd
shrewd oriole
no
lethal heart
ok
shrewd oriole
It’s gone
lethal heart
we're doomed
shrewd oriole
Ye lol
lethal heart
like when there was NH sub and old symbols
i think it was fine
if they only made goremaws 30s cd
but no goremaws is meme actually
jovial kite
imo old sub was fine if they had sd off gcd
lethal heart
hmm that aswell
steep obsidian
outlaw without loaded dice GG just delete spec
lethal heart
buti it just felt really bad
steep obsidian
maybe they arent done yet
lethal heart
when you had to refresh symbols every ~30 seconds
and you felt a bit energy starved
goremaws for every symbols refresh would make the work
lethal heart
and nerf the free finishers trait to 1 finisher only
during nh i mostly played sub in m+
so i played dfa,. not master of shadows
maybe thats why i felt super starved and thats how i remember that sub
chrome mural
I'm glad we're getting an execute in BfA in the form of Dispatch
shrewd oriole
Ol has loaded dice
steep obsidian
is loaded dice just not a buff anymore then?
lethal heart
unless they delete stuff like shroud/cloak from the game
even though nerfed
still gucci
keen inlet
It's a talent Sabod
shrewd oriole
I mean
keen inlet
Outlaw has more changes in the pipeline, likely
steep obsidian
it is too
shrewd oriole
Even if we are Gucci in terms of viability
steep obsidian
what a stupid talent line :\
steep obsidian
same
keen inlet
I play a rogue because it's fun. At this point hybrids are always competitive somehow... So they'd be a smarter choice
steep obsidian
sin plays pretty well right now
shrewd oriole
Get good
steep obsidian
and yeah its more stable then most betas have been at release and has a fair bit of stuff
shrewd oriole
@gaunt moat has alpha and he doesn’t even play the game LUL
There isn’t much to do on alpha tbh
I just played some specs in solo content then tried them in dungeons
shrewd oriole
About an hour an hour and a half on each character
keen inlet
It's not really worth trying the specs at length
shrewd oriole
Depends
keen inlet
Too much changes
shrewd oriole
Some specs feel finished
Like MM or assa
Mm or assa could go live right now
With no more changes
And be fun, interesting viable specs
keen inlet
Crims temp needs more work
steep obsidian
whats wrong with crimson tempest?
shrewd oriole
What do you mean by more work
It needs buffs but it’s fine if it’s dogshit just play PB
Pb is so much better on alpha
lethal heart
Pb monkaS
steep obsidian
yeah
well ct is just if you want steady cleave i guess and not rng
last time ct was in game i dont even think you bothered to press it
keen inlet
I'd rather not have talents go live as "dogshit"
steep obsidian
the dispatch choice feels good
keen inlet
See also cbb ks from outlaw... For the entire xpac
shrewd oriole
Pb legit feels great
quick ice
CBB/KS make me feel sad, because they're both kinda cool
shrewd oriole
It procs so often it feels good
quick ice
and just so incredibly bad
shrewd oriole
I think some talents are always gonna be bad
steep obsidian
iron wire looks stupid strong for m+ with subterfuge
shrewd oriole
The prison dungeons feels super melee unfriendly
So I’m legit considering rerolling
steep obsidian
havent done any dugeons queue time is like stupid long
chrome mural
lul
prime void
Tom
shrewd oriole
And if dungeons favor ranged again I might as well go hunter full time
Mm and bm feel great
prime void
Play DH
steep obsidian
mm looked interesting
shrewd oriole
I already play more hunter than rogue rn in my off time
steep obsidian
i hate mm on live right now
shrewd oriole
Cuz hunter is just better
steep obsidian
bm is ok but a bit boring
iron portal
Well if dungeons are melee unfriendly, isnt it just bad design then
prime void
To tell me how it feels on alpha
shrewd oriole
Sure
I can try it
I heard it feels great on alpha
@iron portal you mean like this expansion?
steep obsidian
id try it but i dont play dh on live so my feedback would be crap anyway
shrewd oriole
First iteration or second?
iron portal
Second
iron portal
rip
shrewd oriole
I don’t like shaman
Shaman is just inherently shit for the content I like to do
So no point
prime void
Yeah I heard DH is solid. Its what I alt on live
dire spoke
my rogue mate is trying to make ep,subt,alac happen with 44% crit rn 
and I hate him
shrewd oriole
I can try it out but like I said, a ton of specs feel finished
iron portal
Nice
shrewd oriole
Get good
valid plank
🤔🤔🤔
dire spoke
@prime void what relics made your build sim higher?
BB+MAss?
MAlch is not that good cus less mastery or?
iron portal
are u really a clicker or is this some kind of discord inside joke
dire spoke
lol
first two EP builds in argus kills I find are Tisumi and Tyra
gg RH
EP-TB builds confuse me
and it cucks my WA setup
gaunt moat
shrewd oriole
Anyone else finds it weird that notter is a rabbit and yet has no kids
I thought that’s all rabbits did
zealous dew
notter has 15620 kids atm to take care of
heavy plover
Anyone know why bracers are simming alot lower than boots, even on shorter fights?
that's 3 minutes aswell
strange python
how much mastery do u have
heavy plover
164%
strange python
well thtats pretty low
bracers are buffing poison dmg
poison is buffed by mastery
heavy plover
yeah didn't even think about that
strange python
thats why for u it sims lower
heavy plover
should i still use bracers, unless i know boots will get me an extra vendetta?
strange python
i think its hard to say regarding the boots, its not that u always have fighttime x where y vendetta are used. it always depends on our raid
steep obsidian
15k isnt much very situational
strange python
im running boots and bracers most of the time therefor
and no shoulders
but im raiding mythic only, where sometimes ur shoulder window is fucked up
due to mechanics
strange python
ye try to get another chest and belt though
set chest is pretty good and the legs from aggramar have a good itemization
heavy plover
been working on the chest, i thought belt was alright tbh
strange python
my bad i was talking about ur bracers, if u keep running shoulders boots
belt is fine, but portal keeper drops a better pne
strange python
ye thats right
i would try to switch to set chest and aggramar legs
should be around +25 or even more % mastery
heavy plover
yeah hopefully get it from mythic eonar on thursday
and you're right boots/bracer sims higher than boots/shoulder
strange python
i like that comb more though cause u have more flexibility
heavy plover
probably because i have 965 Shoulders off garothi tho lul
strange python
ya they are sweet 😄
heavy plover
yes stats are insane
strange python
still running some 980 crit versa shoulders never had look with mastery ones
luck*
heavy plover
going to miss using legendary shoulders though when i get bracers, will still probs use them on some fights
strange python
how far are you into mythic prog?`
heavy plover
haven't raided since NH came back last month and my old guild 7/11M just gave me a spot with no trial
heavy plover
yeah a rogue told me that, never played rogue before these 2 months enjoying it quite alot
strange python
😄