assassination

[jovial kite]

@Drytek#3147 not as little as say affli wlock and not as much as say boomkin

oh he left the server

🤷🏿

[maiden dagger]

no i didnt

[jovial kite]

if you get shoulders, boots wrists head or insignia

you can pretty much play

for assa that is

[gaunt moat]

someone needs to write a fanfic about flowi and weak

[rose wharf]

in my experience my rogue is more Scaling with Traits, Sets and Leggys as with pure ilvl Stats. So i would say you don'T need much but the right stuff

[manic vigil]

You are already an author notter

Go for it

[indigo idol]

does someone have a good elaborate planning weakaura for me? :3

icon or bar doesnt really matter

[lone junco]

If you have env or sot just duplicate and change the buff Id

[manic vigil]

I was gonna say just do it yourself. It's very easy, either look through the menus or watch a short yt video and you have the basics covered

[keen inlet]

Archival footage of @viscid helm & @warm parcel 's most recent battle (colourized)

[viscid helm]

[lone junco]

@keen inlet is this what you feel like when you carry your guild through normy?

[keen inlet]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

man as an undergeared snd I was still crushing most on argus

that's a problem

[lone junco]

I healed the alt run. lol at that 902 monk healer

[keen inlet]

I tanked 10/11 last night

brought rogue in for argus

[shrewd oriole]

I’m back

My guild yday on our third alt run did 10/11 with 4 930 chars 13 sub 960 and 3 970’s

OMEGALUL

3 characters tho puke

I never join for any run after the second

[jade forge]

Hey guys! Sin or sub for m+?

[shrewd oriole]

Sub

[jade forge]

How come sub? With all the aoe?

[verbal root]

with on demand aoe

[shrewd oriole]

Shoulders + cloak leg + glaives from sisters basically

Far better on demand aoe burst

Better utility

On short duration fights sub does about the same dps as assa

Specially if more than one targets are introduced at any point in the fight

Because you can abuse Ss

So overall assa is just subpar

[fervent goblet]

We are talking higher than like 23s? Any spec is viable up to that point..

[jade forge]

Okie. Thanks!

[shrewd oriole]

No problem dude

[jade forge]

What utility does sub have that sim doesn’t?

[shrewd oriole]

Any other question feel free to pm me or post in the sub channel

[jade forge]

Just the aoe?

[shrewd oriole]

More stuns

Assa has cheap shot from stealth and kidney

Sub has the same thing but has more frequent access to stealth therefore can use cheap shot more

Also two charges of shadowstep, comes in handy sometimes

[jade forge]

Ah gotcha

I’ll keep at it then 😄

[plain thistle]

"you need 30% crit and 180% mastery" a post talking about sin rogue in a facebook page, where the fuck those ppl get so much missinformation 🤔

[keen inlet]

idk

they sum stuff up like that all the time

then it gets translated into Gospel Truth

[shrewd oriole]

Yep

I have 29% crit

Guess I can’t play sin.

[plain thistle]

yeah, I think they go to good rogues armory and see that they have at least that, because antorus gear allows us to get those values easily

yeah

and I dont have 180% mastery as 973 ilvl

[shrewd oriole]

Really?

Are you poison?

That’s actually a tad bit odd I’d say

[plain thistle]

yes

https://imgur.com/a/GxqJ1

[maiden dagger]

only use envenom to reset buff?

[plain thistle]

still uploading, but thats my stats

[shrewd oriole]

Ah you got a crapload of versa

How much do you sin?

Sim*

[plain thistle]

2.35M ~

[shrewd oriole]

Ah fair

About the same as me

P nice

@gusty kestrel 3 new apps today

Shit is gonna be FUN

Lmao link that when you crucible it

Hopefully it rolls like mine

healing t2 traits

I have exact same relic and it rolled utter garbage

Nice

@gusty kestrel one of them is called orcimus prime

And describes himself as a huntard

What a juicy one

Nice logs

Oh fos

Standard UI no weak auras

[warm parcel]

BM is p nice on alpha

[shrewd oriole]

https://imgur.com/a/EFWvS

I really like hunter on alpha weak

Considering a reroll if no changes to OL or sub

look at his ui

What a gingi wanna be

Not a single weak aura monkaS

[warm parcel]

Thats pretty vanilla

I mean you know what mine looks like 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

AHAHAH

PVP in a pve app btw

I used to be good btw

[stone sandal]

Anyone else who cant log in and gets authentication problems? >_>

[normal plover]

aw what if he is reading this right now

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

Check Twitter

[zealous dew]

he's 12 years old ?

[tribal marlin]

hey guys ! Should up optimize 2p uptime by pooling and envenom when it remain 1sec

[manic vigil]

I'm just glad Tom is not an elitist tbh

[gaunt moat]

@shrewd oriole don't really see the issue there... it's just something to add about his wow career :S

[tribal marlin]

to keep buff while refreshing dot or do I just spam envenom as soon as I have energy for ?

[shrewd oriole]

Nah just memeing

I find it funny when people list old achievements

[warm parcel]

Theres no real diff

Some max 2pc some dont

[gaunt moat]

IT WAS ONLY A MEME GUYS

[shrewd oriole]

😠

[tribal marlin]

ok

[shrewd oriole]

Well people like you gotta link old achievements

Cuz they got no recent achievements to show

[manic vigil]

[shrewd oriole]

❤

[manic vigil]

Booley

[gaunt moat]

i link other people achievements

https://www.tenor.co/Hiuh.gif

[shrewd oriole]

Ahaha

[hoary copper]

"thats not us"

[shrewd oriole]

Not bad at all

Torment B.B.

Easy game

Better than mine

Mine was dark sorrows B.B.

• shell

[gaunt moat]

that app looks like a good guy

[shrewd oriole]

Ywah

Not fit for our guild

jk

[hoary copper]

Well probably a good fit, except for you

[zealous dew]

slim fit

[keen inlet]

what about

t h i c c fit

[shrewd oriole]

Our guild is mostly good bois

Ahaha

I’d say there’s a clique of 5-6 memer boys

But those make up the majority of the people that are online on discord etc

Our raids are super quiet tho tbh

[placid egret]

My guild is like 2 groups. Half is the raid logging clique. The other is doing shit with each other in discord almost 24/7

[safe matrix]

Tom you wouldn't be part of the memer group would you?

I mean first off your memes are terrible

[placid egret]

Oh shit. Tom on suicide watch.

[shrewd oriole]

Wow

[safe matrix]

Just kidding

Tom IS a meme

[placid egret]

I think he's a pretty alright meme too

[shrewd oriole]

Thank you

I am def a meme

[strange python]

legit 0 pb on garothi just now

like, none

first time ever

[lone junco]

:meme:

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

Nice deletion noobe 😠

[fervent beacon]

I'm so fucking dead, why did I trained my legs twice in this week and I also snowboard the day before my leg day.

[supple hearth]

🤔

[fervent beacon]

We have 4 rogues in the roster now, 3 sin and sub.

Used to be me as OL and sin.

[timber mauve]

we have 2, the other one plays outlaw.

[fervent beacon]

But we absorbed Raiders from falling rival guild.

[tiny widget]

can we kill explosives with FoK if its targeted before casting it?

[warm parcel]

no

[tiny widget]

god i hate that affix

[fervent beacon]

Get hunters, problem solved

[shrewd oriole]

We have one rogue

Can’t convince anyone to come

😦

[tiny widget]

yea but i just cant trust these randoms :

[silent gale]

Can someone help me with Assassination rotation? Am I supposed to use Toxic Blade and Kingsbane on cooldown, and optimally line them up together when I can without much delay?

[solid field]

did a 16 coen last night was terrible

with teeming and explosive

[gaunt moat]

@silent gale that's about right.

[solid field]

@silent gale SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE

[silent gale]

@gaunt moat Thank you

[fervent beacon]

I wish I had the TB on cd gif.

[silent gale]

@solid field I've read the guides, but looked through logs as well and this is what I've noticed so I wanted some reassurance and feedback

Always nice to ask a person and receive immediate feedback

[solid field]

the guide tells you what you asked

[gaunt moat]

there are some small nuances to it of course. but what you said is the general way.

[solid field]

exactly word for word

[silent gale]

@solid field Like I said sometimes it's nice to ask someone else instead of reading all the time

[fervent beacon]

KB and TB will typically line up with each other, for example you TB then KB 6s later off cd so still buffing KB damage

I believe it line up on every other CDs in my experience.

[silent gale]

@fervent beacon That's what I thought/read as well, but looking through mythic logs of raiders sometimes they weren't lining up

And a lot of guides/suggestions were saying to use them on CD

But the two pieces of info I had seemed to be contradicting one another

So It hought I'd ask

thought*

It's hard to know who to trust

High parsing mythic raiders or guides/stickies

[fervent beacon]

Trust us, or rather Notter.

[shrewd oriole]

Or rather weak

[timber mauve]

make sure envenom buff is up before kb, i also like to lineup with ven

[shrewd oriole]

Who wrote the guide

[solid field]

well you gotta remember they aren't hitting a training dummy in encounters. Probably check varimathas for a more accurate visual

[fervent beacon]

And definitely trust the ALACRITY

[shrewd oriole]

Basically by himself

[supple hearth]

Keep in mind an optimal rotation for best dps may not always work out perfectly in a raid environment where you have mechanics or places to pause etc

So understanding what you should do and then adapting in the raid may look different

[fervent beacon]

Pretty sure notter wrote the guide, I know Tumna also helped too.

But that was way before.

[silent gale]

@supple hearth I agree, sometimes, I haven't raided since HFC so looking through guides and how players play according to fights is a tool I like to use when introduced to something new

[fervent beacon]

I remember neverrz guide back in EN/NH.

[gaunt moat]

@shrewd oriole i don't care about the credit. but stop trolling people.

[silent gale]

Thanks everybody

[jovial kite]

not even gold

[solid field]

Who was the other rogue who had a guide that said he got harassed constantly to update it?

[gaunt moat]

riff?

[solid field]

yea

[supple hearth]

@silent gale it's a good habit. My suggestion is to know the guides/theorycrafting behind why we do what we do. And if you see raiders in logs doing things differently use that guide knowledge to see why they might be doing what they are . Ravenholdt is a pretty credible source. And so are top parses because lol actions speak louder than words obvi.

[timber mauve]

im stuck with a blue cause im on knockback duty on vari, feelsbad

[shrewd oriole]

@gaunt moat lul ok

[silent gale]

@supple hearth Thank you

[shrewd oriole]

@gusty kestrel gz

[fervent beacon]

People also kept asking riff for his WA as well.

[solid field]

Do you all run Alacrity in M+?

[fervent beacon]

I been running alacrity on higher key.

[warm parcel]

Parses are about pb tho

But yes

[fervent beacon]

More PB chance because you're spamming env basically

[warm parcel]

Theres people that blow on cd
And theres people that sync

But mathematically oncd wins

And thats the end of the numerical side

[zealous dew]

alacrity in M+

😄

[supple hearth]

@fervent beacon don't use autistic like that

[midnight latch]

sin in m+ 🤢

[solid field]

Alacrity for pres

[zealous dew]

sin is fine in m+

[fervent beacon]

@supple hearth it was saberslash words, not mine

[supple hearth]

Doesn't matter. Don't use it.

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

[fervent beacon]

But yes sin is perfectly fine for +. My officer rogue is #1 on server for + and he push 21/22 running sin.

[shrewd oriole]

Sub is a lot better

[midnight latch]

^

[shrewd oriole]

21’s and 22’s are easy

Shadow priests do 21’s

[solid field]

you play sub in M+ tom?

[shrewd oriole]

Of course

[fervent beacon]

Yeah but playing sub

[shrewd oriole]

I always play whichever spec is most optimal for the scenario

[keen inlet]

[shrewd oriole]

Sub is fine lmao

[timber mauve]

2pc+2pc+cloak on sub m+?

[shrewd oriole]

It’s not like we are talking about OL

[supple hearth]

I'm not hardcore in pve anymore but I mostly sub for m+ and sin when I feel like playing it

[fervent beacon]

Did Don just meme alacrity?

[solid field]

my sub gear is so badly optimized for sub it's a dps loss for me.

[fervent beacon]

[shrewd oriole]

Mate

On aoe

I doubt it’s a dps loss but

[midnight latch]

[shrewd oriole]

Unless you just have crit and crit and crit

[fervent beacon]

Running sin/sub is the same in gear setup wise

[shrewd oriole]

P much

I just change rings and necks

[keen inlet]

[shrewd oriole]

I use a 970 dogs neck for sub

And a M argus ring

That’s about it

[midnight latch]

@keen inlet

[shrewd oriole]

For sub in m+ you run cloak shoulders on aoe and shoulders gloves

@ the guy who asked

@timber mauve

[timber mauve]

was curious if 2+2 was still meta

[fervent beacon]

I don't use cloak at all, I personally think its shitm

[viscid helm]

👉 👈

[shrewd oriole]

For sub

[timber mauve]

ya

[shrewd oriole]

It’s dog shit for assa

[fervent beacon]

Praise the yellow

[timber mauve]

well ya

[shrewd oriole]

But assa is dogshit

So

[jovial kite]

[shrewd oriole]

@timber mauve yeah 2/2 is still very much meta

[proud verge]

is forgefiends fabricator any good?

[keen inlet]

[shrewd oriole]

4p does nothing on st

Aoe*

@proud verge I use it to one shot imps in cos

It’s not bad if shit doesn’t move but shits gonna move

[proud verge]

does this work on higher keys aswell?

[chrome mural]

@proud verge it's okay for aoe if you can use it right

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[gaunt moat]

never seen people so excited about emojis.
it's like kids with stickers.

[shrewd oriole]

My advice is always for high keys

[fervent beacon]

[chrome mural]

xD

[proud verge]

do you just use it if you need the dmg or do you wait for x-amount of mines first?

[jovial kite]

im a kid with sticker

[proud verge]

and is there a weakaura to track it?

[fervent beacon]

You just let the mines explode on it own

[dusty quest]

Their*

[fervent beacon]

Thx fam

[proud verge]

so use it like a passive trinket?

[fervent beacon]

My English is shit because grammar doesn't translate well in ASL.

Yeah basically in nutshell.

[chrome mural]

I use it if I remember but I usually dont remember

[midnight latch]

@gaunt moat what do you mean

werent you here when I got nitro? 😛

[shrewd oriole]

For the imps @proud verge or in general?

You can’t track the mines they have no event

[dire spoke]

[proud verge]

the trinket would be the first thing you cant track with a wa 😄

[warm parcel]

My sweet summer child

[keen inlet]

kek

[warm parcel]

There was a dark time

[keen inlet]

[warm parcel]

When emerald nightmare was released

[keen inlet]

[jovial kite]

you couldnt trak roots on cenarius

but

god / universe gave us

waitforit

eyes

[chrome mural]

LUL

[jovial kite]

you cant track the mines either

[shrewd oriole]

@proud verge no, it wouldn’t.

Plus its a fairly unique trinket

Feel free to try for yourself

[proud verge]

ill trust you but its very rare that you cant track anything..

[shrewd oriole]

It is

[jovial kite]

ded chanel

[shrewd oriole]

Rip cyberninja

[dire spoke]

IT'S

SO

BORING

aggramarino

H E L L O

entertain me

[void pecan]

Shut up

[dire spoke]

[shrewd oriole]

Oh baby

Eating Mexican for dinner

😩😩😩

[tulip grotto]

Hey guys, am running 2pc 4pc. Wanted to confirm that i should use garrote on cd as a cp builder

[coarse nymph]

ugly table

[tulip grotto]

Right

[coarse nymph]

lame ass tablet

sorry not sorry.

[chrome mural]

@tulip grotto you want to keep garrote up as much as possible.

[tulip grotto]

yes i know, but with t20 2 pc i think the dmg/energy ratio is better then using mutilate

[devout temple]

uhh Rogue class hall mount always farting black shiite

[tulip grotto]

so i should use it as a cp builder when off cd?

[shrewd oriole]

I actually don’t know

But I’ll ping someone who does

@jovial kite @lone junco

Sorry man, can’t help more

[warm parcel]

no

absolutely not

[fiery nest]

pandemic

[tulip grotto]

thanks

[lone junco]

@tulip grotto use garrote when you need to refresh, absolutely dont spam it. I will use it above pandemic range going into the exang if I need a cp to hit 6 for my rupture.

[sharp viper]

11/11M now, finally 😄

[tulip grotto]

ah okay i thought that might be the case thanks so much

gz man!

[fiery nest]

exang

[haughty parrot]

is there any way i can proc poison bomb? or is it just random?

[void pecan]

RANDOM my dude

[haughty parrot]

fuck

lol

thats so shit

[jovial kite]

@sharp viper grats!

[sharp viper]

ty 😃 feels super relaxing now

[old quartz]

wtb proper alac apl sim

2.32 sim as TB, 2.2 sim as alac, yet alac pushing 2.8-3.1M over 200M dmg

@viscid helm shall i trust in the alac finally?! lol

[void pecan]

what are your stats?

runnin alac

[lone junco]

@haughty parrot just push out more cps. so higher crit rate will push out more bombs per min. aka shoulder open and vanish.

[jovial kite]

@old quartz alac is legit

[old quartz]

aight im gonna do it tonight on M Agg

ty @jovial kite

[sharp viper]

@jovial kite you finally got juicy bleedy boi logs for me? show me de wae

just remembered

[haughty parrot]

@lone junco alright. thanks

[warm parcel]

Alac is depending on your setup only a little behind tb

Its still behind

But for some low enough diff they just rather play it
Like me and flowi

[void pecan]

Are you running ep/alac?

[viscid helm]

I'am

[old quartz]

as am i now, flowi has convinced me

[shrewd oriole]

I’mlady

[void pecan]

What are y'alls stats

[jovial kite]

@sharp viper benched myself for the last 2 weeks

[old quartz]

MP isnt as beneficial as ep

[lone junco]

(given high ep uptime)

[jovial kite]

only done a handful of bosses

[old quartz]

i just logged for a bit but check my armory. rodembo-illidan

[jovial kite]

best i done was aggra 19 i believe

[old quartz]

@void pecan

[void pecan]

ty ty

[old quartz]

np

[dire spoke]

[prime void]

I cant get alac to sim well, no matter what stats I'm at

[void pecan]

because sims are busted

should try in raid

[prime void]

Whats wrong with alac sims ?

[void pecan]

Someone said the uptime isn't right IIRC

or I'm just imaging things

[unique oracle]

can i ask a questio about assa here?

[void pecan]

Have you read the pins

[shrewd oriole]

Ye

[void pecan]

and the guide

[stuck moss]

Yes

[unique oracle]

im ilevel 880 , i know its low and i have so much energy problems

[indigo cradle]

This Channel is dead

[shrewd oriole]

Ok

What’s your question?

[stuck moss]

Crit and some gear is alot of ur energy gains if thats ur question

[unique oracle]

y

so when i have better gear , the energy problem will go away?

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[stuck moss]

Tier gear, and a decent amount of crit

[unique oracle]

ok

crit is the 1st priority?

[stuck moss]

Mastery then crit

[shrewd oriole]

Sim Yourself

On raidbots.com

[void pecan]

Honestly your low enough that you should just horde gear

[shrewd oriole]

Go to the section where it says stat weights

[stuck moss]

But this is in the pins and you can use raidvoys to find out

[void pecan]

until like 930~ then figure it out.

[stuck moss]

But just get geared worried about stats later

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah what ganandor is saying is solid advice

[unique oracle]

kk ty guys

that rly helped me

[strange python]

yo someone can help me with assisan rogue :)?

[prime void]

Not always mastery >crit @stuck moss

Thats why we sim.

Whats up kami?

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/phoAyTAwQAGVKmbCDqEUSr

after mny opener

how do I keep my rotation

[shrewd oriole]

Check the guide

[void pecan]

^

[prime void]

^

[hoary copper]

^^

Basically keep garrote, and rupture up. Use TB and KB when its available

[shrewd oriole]

Ask questions after you read the guide

[hoary copper]

SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE

[dire spoke]

🥕

[ebon wyvern]

Is mantle or bracers better for assa? Not sure which slot to aim for from the argunite vendor

[shrewd oriole]

Bracers

[ebon wyvern]

k thanks

[dire spoke]

well that was frustrating

[shrewd oriole]

Did you kill it?

[dire spoke]

our raid? yes

we killed ourselves constantly

smooth

[plush glacier]

hey guys any 1 have a problem with kingsbane on mythic coven ?

[shrewd notch]

aggramar you said?

[shrewd oriole]

Rip

@plush glacier problems? How so?

[plush glacier]

well

it disapears from target

happened to me now like 5 pullls

and yesterday on imonar

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mJXV92dcCwYBNpva/#fight=last&type=auras&spells=debuffs&hostility=1&target=113&ability=192759

see its not up on open

and u can see the gaps

[shrewd oriole]

Did you

Get parried?

[plush glacier]

nah

wa shows buff

[shrewd oriole]

Dunno then, I’m on mobile so I can’t really check

[plush glacier]

and then just disapears

and am not infront of the boss so not likely to parry or dodge

fucks my whole open

am like on 1.2 mil open dps

and i usally open 4-5 mil +

[soft cargo]

eyy

gadov

xd

[plush glacier]

well did u saw logs? 😃

[soft cargo]

nop

[plush glacier]

jens says 100% uptime

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mJXV92dcCwYBNpva/#fight=last&type=auras&spells=debuffs&hostility=1&target=113&ability=192759

and u can see its not up on open

also ignorent ppl say 45 sec cd wow 😃

they are trying to tell me its visual

if its visual wheres my dps 😃

[warm parcel]

Can we translate this into english?
Youre saying your kb doesnt have 100% uptime?

[soft cargo]

shots fired

[plush glacier]

i say i cast it 8 sec after pull

and it somehow disapears

not doing any dmg

[hollow robin]

Hey all, been doing progression on M KinnyG. Is it worth using Boots+Shoulders over bracers to have vendetta for every add?

[warm parcel]

Like this?
https://i.imgur.com/wvrRko6.png

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

[warm parcel]

I found boots nice just to get 2 vens per ad

One to add and one to boss

[dire spoke]

yeah

[plush glacier]

what try was that @warm parcel ?

omfg

[dire spoke]

my CP cuckd me so often today

duh

[warm parcel]

The one you linked

[lone junco]

doink

[shrewd oriole]

Did you get parried? No

Lmao

[dire spoke]

I felt super starved for some reason

[warm parcel]

Did you pull a naya and forget poisons ♿

[lone junco]

this one is a bit weird tho

pro just a double tick prior nvm

[dire spoke]

ahahah

naya tho, so cute

[warm parcel]

That can be a log issue

And how servers register combat log

[plush glacier]

no poisons are up

point is i see wa proc for kingsbane

then just disapears

[lone junco]

whats 8k crit. like 28%?

[desert karma]

Got rid of the haste!

[plush glacier]

so its aplayed and disapears

[lone junco]

get a new wa then.

are these gaps normal?

specifically for coven mythic

[desert karma]

Guys, do I envenom at whatever amount of cp mutilate gives me?

or only 4-5?

[warm parcel]

45

[desert karma]

huh?

[strange python]

45? insane 4 and a half anticipation gameplay

[warm parcel]

4 to 5 as you said

[desert karma]

okay awesome 😄 glad I have been doing that right then

[plush glacier]

well i asked couse this is first time this happened

[warm parcel]

You still were parried

So there is no dot then

[plush glacier]

man if its applayed

how can it be parried after like 2 sec ?

[warm parcel]

The thing is it never was applied at the 8s mark

or 10 actually

So its either your wa or you were just seeing it

[desert karma]

I was parried by coven tonight on normal :0

[plush glacier]

duno fuck it

i was so pissed

that shit happens

[midnight latch]

@warm parcel can you not use my name to describe certain mistakes? k thx bye

[warm parcel]

Bad pr is still pr

[midnight latch]

wew man

I am not the one with the sub button thou

[warm parcel]

Expect you to sub by morning aswell

[midnight latch]

[lone junco]

Is Weak avi a mean purple face or purple sword hilt? Yes and yes.

[simple python]

Is FoKing at 4 cp worth it? I know its just heroic, but top heroic parser seems to do it ? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CxLHp1Rb7a3gXc9T#fight=12&type=casts&source=32&view=timeline

[shrewd oriole]

No

[lone junco]

You tech FOK at 4 with pk relics.

[civic palm]

Top Parser eh? -

hmmm

[lone junco]

You don't want pk relics.

[shrewd oriole]

He’s ducking up his rotation

He’s just got like twice the usual Pb damage

[lone junco]

And garothi hands you do FOK.

[civic palm]

Yep

[warm parcel]

he fokd once at 4cp

[simple python]

Is it 3cp as well? I cant tell entirely

[warm parcel]

didnt look

But apl foks at 3+ given pk relics

[solemn vapor]

If my dots are applied i cant be paried when using mut?

[hybrid shadow]

Hey, does anyone know if it is worth holding envenom at full CP if you have ~half energy and still have the 4pc t21 buff? Should I just hold the envenom until the 4pc buff wears off assuming I don't energy cap?

[simple python]

Are PK relics good in m+ or rather MA?

[shrewd oriole]

Mass sucks in m+ trash

[prime void]

Play sub 👍

[shrewd oriole]

Pk is great in m+

But assa is crap

Go sub

[simple python]

I always fuck up timing/wasting symbols

[vestal wren]

its not crap in m+

[shrewd oriole]

@solemn vapor you can always get parried if you’re in front

Assa is crap in m+ lol

@hybrid shadow envenom uptime is prio

[solemn vapor]

So if i position myself behind the boss i wont get parried?

[chrome mural]

My guildie does pretty well in m+ as assas

[shrewd oriole]

No

[spare cloud]

Nice name

[shrewd oriole]

15’s don’t count

[solemn vapor]

Oh, makes sense

[shrewd oriole]

And yeah it does ok

But it’s not good

[solemn vapor]

Thanks for the info

[shrewd oriole]

You can play a shadowpriest in 20’s

Doesn’t mean it’s good

[prime void]

Pretty well is pretty subjective.

[chrome mural]

Ah okay you're talking like 20s?

[shrewd oriole]

No

I’m talking high keys

23+

20’s are still easy tbh

[zealous dew]

😄

[chrome mural]

Gotcha

[hybrid shadow]

@shrewd oriole So, you're saying to prioritize having the envenom buff uptime over more envenom?

[shrewd oriole]

I’ve been 4 manning 20’s for boosts for weeks now

[spare cloud]

Yes

[shrewd oriole]

@hybrid shadow yeah

[spare cloud]

You wont have less evenom overall anyways

[shrewd oriole]

Envenom has pandemic as well

[spare cloud]

unless youre energy capping

[simple python]

Default APL cares mostly about surge of toxins though right?

[shrewd oriole]

So you can always use envenom again at 3 second remaining

[simple python]

(debuff.vendetta.up|debuff.toxic_blade.up|mantle_duration>=0.2|debuff.surge_of_toxins.remains<0.2|energy.deficit<=25+variable.energy_regen_combined)

[chrome mural]

I didnt know env had pandemic also, thats good to know

Thought it was just dots

[shrewd oriole]

If you’re maintaining envenom you’re probably maintaining surge

[simple python]

Depends if you ruptured right before

[hybrid shadow]

Cool, that helps a lot. Thanks!

[shrewd oriole]

Hence the probably

[simple python]

Nvm I gotcha

[shrewd oriole]

Oh god

Reading one of the new apps

Guy linked logs by ilvl

Das cRinge

[gilded lark]

95% ilevel

35% overall

[shrewd oriole]

Basically

[void pecan]

Nice delete.

[shrewd oriole]

Overall

[gilded lark]

what delete

[shrewd oriole]

Ilvl

[gilded lark]

nice imonar

[shrewd oriole]

Gigalul

[gilded lark]

even my parses are better

then again mine aren't mythic

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shrewd oriole]

Heroic parses byw

[gilded lark]

lol

can't raid with new job so

well new/old job that i'll be going back to in about a month

[lone junco]

What's the ilvl?

[spare nebula]

with that much delta, id say low

[lone junco]

Garothi seems low but Varith is not bad.

[shrewd oriole]

962

[ornate gazelle]

how long can you hold vendetta/vanish for each other? (with shoulder)

[lone junco]

963

Ye

[spare nebula]

@Orckefeller#1827 if time to death is < 2 min, save vanish

[lone junco]

That's my bracket. Pretty sure my coven is 200k up

Maybe not

Got 100k on his garoth. His kingo is ok. And portal was prob imp cleave.

[shrewd oriole]

It’s a WE

WW

[ornate gazelle]

@spare nebula So if the boss/add won't die in less than two minutes, just Vanish off CD and don't worry about lining it up with Vendetta?

[lone junco]

People would prob lol my app as well if I tried to jump from heroic to 10/11

[shrewd oriole]

true

We are 11/11 tho

😠

[supple hearth]

Same

[lone junco]

Did they take you for the kill?

[supple hearth]

11/11 in ur heart

[spare nebula]

you should try to line it up with vendetta, but dont miss a vanish @Orckefeller#1827

[lone junco]

Zing.

[shrewd oriole]

Ahaha

You’re a 10/10 in my heart @supple hearth

Happy woman’s day

[spare nebula]

at a point heroic logs just become: did you get good pb

if not

grats on blue

[prime void]

^wrong

[dire spoke]

whew sauce

[lost horizon]

Jeez

[shrewd oriole]

You can easily get at the very least purples

With bad pbs

[lost horizon]

Blue without PB that's rough

[spare nebula]

sure hyperbole

[prime void]

Orange with bad pb is ez lol

[lost horizon]

^

[spare nebula]

um

[prime void]

Esp with our gear

[shrewd oriole]

Depends on fight

[spare nebula]

ilvl?

or overall?

[lost horizon]

Just no top hundos probably

[shrewd oriole]

Ahc heroic with bad pbomb

[prime void]

Overall. Lol

[shrewd oriole]

@dire spoke

[spare nebula]

oh well at 975 sure

[lost horizon]

@shrewd oriole you right

[dire spoke]

😠

[shrewd oriole]

I had like a 1% pb Log

It was like an 89

[spare nebula]

im 969

[lost horizon]

LOOL gg

[prime void]

😂😂 tom rng

[spare nebula]

i got purple w/ literally 1 pb proc

overally

[prime void]

You probably outsim me jandro

[spare nebula]

but for ilvl

[prime void]

Js

[spare nebula]

no

[shrewd oriole]

Mizume sims poorly

But sims don’t really matter

[spare nebula]

its next to impossible to ilvl orange parse if you get < 3% pb damage

[lost horizon]

Fuck ilvl parses

[shrewd oriole]

Jack sims higher than me but my best logs are all better than his cuz he’s bleed

[spare nebula]

you'd have to get perfect everything else

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

[spare nebula]

include good crit on envenom and shit

[dire spoke]

I don't know anything about 970 life

I work hard for my logs

[spare nebula]

like, for instance my best M high command i did almost 200M pb damage

next week

[lost horizon]

Play sin, work hard

[spare nebula]

I did 70M

[lost horizon]

Hmmm 🤔

[spare nebula]

everythign else was basically the same

but the 70M log was blue

¯_(ツ)_/¯

for obvious reasons

[shrewd oriole]

Dae think assa is rng??

[primal tangle]

https://imgur.com/GBZFbZx

[spare nebula]

im just saying people that say its EZ to get overall parses below insane gear levels w/ bad pb are kidding themselves

[prime void]

I sim 2.2 kek

Legit shit sim

[spare nebula]

i sim 2.1

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shrewd oriole]

Nah

They weren’t very Kappa

Dw dhde

We got 6 months of apps left

[prime void]

But like you can parse 99 with bad pb on some bosses

[shrewd oriole]

I disagree

What boss?

[prime void]

I guess we have to define bad pb

[shrewd oriole]

You need to define bad pb

For me since average is 8, anytbing sub 5 is bad

On st

[prime void]

Obvi your 1-2% pulls are fucked, but ive never seen those

Like 4-5% you can 99

[shrewd oriole]

I’ve had several of those lmao

[lost horizon]

I'm pretty sure I've had a <1%

But I gotta check

[prime void]

Ive had 1 <1

[lost horizon]

It's so fucked

[prime void]

But I just pretend it didn't happen

[lost horizon]

I looked at meter after like wtf am I a baddie?

[spare nebula]

you can get 99 at 975+ yes

[lost horizon]

Then I realized I couldn't find PB so I just kept scrolling down... Rip

[spare nebula]

becuase the amount of people at that gear level is way low

thats why overall parses are garbage

unless you're well into mythic

becuase you're either carried by gear, or a lower geared person gets insanely lucky

[lost horizon]

I mean with sin if you're looking to rank you need luck like on any spec

[spare nebula]

i just think its disingenuous to tell people its easy to get orange with shit pb luck

its not

unless your overall ilvl carries you

[lost horizon]

Despite how easy sin is, there's enough people who are garbo that it's not as hard as you think though

[shrewd oriole]

But you’re 969

You’re talking as if you’re 950

[civic palm]

hmmmm....

Too many numbers me thiiiink.

[void pecan]

Working as intended.

[spare nebula]

yeah my overall parses are better than my ilvl parses unless i get decent to good PB luck

[shrewd oriole]

Ilvl parses are skewed when you’re at a high ilvl

[spare nebula]

when i compare my logs to other rogues at the same ilvl, 9 times outta 10, the difference is they have 30+M more pb damage

[shrewd oriole]

Since there’s so few people

[lost horizon]

As soon as you're above avg ilvl

By ilvl parses are fucked

Same with when you're too far below avg

[civic palm]

Nah the middle is CD, bottom and box is duration.

[lost horizon]

Ilvl parses only really work within a range around avg

[civic palm]

First iteration

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prime void]

Jandro

If you cant parse orange with bad pb, drop some logs and im sure we could all find some stuff to make your parses not as dependant on pb. (Not being toxic)

[void pecan]

Man, I should do that even.

[lone junco]

Ilvl parse is a much smaller bell curve. There might only be 200 people or 50 unlike the 22k overall curve.

[spare nebula]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NMgbPHmfBWh3JcX2#fight=32&type=damage-done&source=5

[lone junco]

Funny thing about blaming pb. Your crit is really low. So you are relying very heavily on shoulders.

No bomb in shoulder, no orange.

Pb chance is a function of cp/min. Crit pushes cp. among other things.

We see people at 22/215. That's just not my style. I love mut crits too much.

[lost horizon]

"not as dependant on pb. (Not being toxic)" so... play bleed?

[lone junco]

There are a lot of builds now.

Ep Vig tb. Bracer insig

(Tyra)

[prime void]

Jandro your planning is really bad

You fit 1 if 0 envenoms in your TB window

Usually refreshing during that period

[lone junco]

But yeah. I don't stress pb for bleed.

[plain thistle]

what about alacrity 🤔 ?

[void pecan]

is a legit thing now supposedly.

[plain thistle]

yeah I know

[prime void]

Huge gaps of envenom downtime during kingsbane

[dire spoke]

I want to live the 40% crit life so much

[prime void]

Your planning and refreshing is just off

@lone junco i love tyras build. Most fun ive had inawhile

47% crit rn

Just 4 cp muts all day

[tulip grotto]

Guys, i use my own auras and have been tracking surge of toxins and not envenom

I try to get max surge of toxins uptime, seeing as i minimum use evenom at 4 cp, do you think this aura will hinder my playstyle

Should i aim for %100 uptime for toxins as well

I can aim for it 😂

[lone junco]

I will enjoy a crit poison that let's be dump 2p20. But 915/920 still beat 960/960

📱

[tulip grotto]

I sucked on coven today

[lone junco]

I haven't had much luck with Alac parses.

[tulip grotto]

Got t20 hands 965 so tried boots and bracers

[lone junco]

Sims well. I guess I'm too impatient to slow clip.

[tulip grotto]

With 2p 4p

[lone junco]

2p4p is really smooth. Need a duck load of crit tho.

Like 40

[south mica]

mostly geared for sub, sim at just over 2k as assass

feelsbad

i've got way too much vers and not enough mastery

for assass

[tulip grotto]

Yea its not that high

34 i believe

All these poor ex sub mains migrating to sin and not knowing wtf theyre doing

<included

[drifting cosmos]

2p4p bleed?

or is there any poison with 2p4p?

[south mica]

lol, i mean i get what to do

just doing it is a problem 😛

[drifting cosmos]

@lone junco

[tulip grotto]

I was running poison

Shoulda ran exsanguinate?

[frail harbor]

how is assassination in M+

[drifting cosmos]

do fine in sub 20s key

[dire spoke]

depends on dungeon

depends on affixes

depends on build

[plain thistle]

yes, i did t20+t21 all tier

with poison

[tulip grotto]

Sub is better on m+ but sin is good too

[spare nebula]

hrm, so what is more important, keeping envenom up during KB or fitting in as many envenoms inside TB ? Or is it both important?

[tulip grotto]

Both

Is it envenom uptime during kb or surge of toxins ?

[plain thistle]

both

😂

[tulip grotto]

Cus i think its alright to refresh rupture during kb but not tb

[plain thistle]

envenom for more deadly poison procs and SoT for more KB damage

[tulip grotto]

Mm okay

That would explain my dogshit dmg

That and many other things im yet to discover

[dire spoke]

oh boi

[plain thistle]

but if you need to refresh rupture during KB go for it, its more important than envenom buff. but if you plan ahead that will never happen

[dire spoke]

just discovered Djarii

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[drifting cosmos]

🤔 so is it ok to refresh rupture at 3cp during kb when we screwed up

[spare nebula]

just trying to understand what @prime void its talking about as far as planning goes. I've always operated under the assumption (from people in this discord) that keeping up envenom during KB is top of the priority list. Fitting in as many envenoms during TB* is not something I've heard as a priority. It was presented as: KB on CD unless you can line it up with a) KB coming off CD in < 5 sec OR hold it for less than 5 sec so you get TB for the last 8 seconds of KB duration

[tulip grotto]

Preferable before kb i think even if its not pandemic yet

Fitting in as many envenoms during TB, not KB i believe

[drifting cloud]

can someone pls kill me

10mil argus wipe

[spare nebula]

So don't ever refresh rupture during TB OR KB if you can help it?

[tulip grotto]

Ideally

[spare nebula]

i know about not doing it during KB

[drifting cosmos]

but fit evn in tb is priority tho

[spare nebula]

ive linked logs here several times and this is the first time anyone has said that, ha

gg

maybe sheer luck made it not an issue in the past

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tulip grotto]

Still if a grandmaster can confirm would be noice

[dire spoke]

yeah, an early rupture can be a gain if you feel that CP will cuck you and you need to pool more beforehand

I had a clip from weak somewhere

can't find it rn

like, when you need like 6 muts for 3 envenoms and KB is coming off CD soon, you will most likely be starved if you try to squeeze in a pandemic rupture right before KB

it's very situational tho

[spare nebula]

So just refresh or non pandemic

At that point

[drifting cosmos]

hmm how do you know you need 6mut for 3evn

they can crit and just 1 mut for 1env?

[dire spoke]

I'm talking about that you just passed a situation like this

[drifting cosmos]

oh

[dire spoke]

basically you will get more out of a clean KB/TB instead of squeezing envenoms and rupturing pandemic when you're quite starved already

even if you clip the envenoms you can get starved when CP cuck you

[drifting cosmos]

so like its kinda situational how you do your rupture, when and how many cp

i just always think rupture timing and overall uptime is more important than how many cp you spent on each, but just cant be sure about it, but obviously higher the better

[shrewd oriole]

God I’m watching a guy buy a car with 1$ bills

I’m so bored

[valid plank]

you raiding as sin rn i guess?

[dire spoke]

I'm watching Djarii painting her bobs

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

[plain thistle]

😛

[shrewd oriole]

Djarii

[dire spoke]

jk just checked her valeera stuff

cus valeera bae

[shrewd oriole]

I love this series

“Worst intros”

[dire spoke]

🤦

https://clips.twitch.tv/VivaciousSassyPandaFreakinStinkin

I can't

[strange python]

how important are leges for assassination? i keep gettin shafted on my lege drops/ess boxes.. just wondering if i can still do decent dmg without shoulder/bracer

[plain thistle]

shoulder+bracer isnt bis for everyone

bracer+boots is a good leg combination, and sometimes you see goods logs with insignia

[strange python]

i keep getting multispec.. kj/cloak/ring

[plain thistle]

and helm

[strange python]

insignia helm is good?

[shrewd oriole]

It’s alright

[plain thistle]

you can do decent damage with tier2/tier3 legendary, but you will almost never compete with ppl with bis legendary

[shrewd oriole]

Your sim dps won’t increase much with shoulders bracers tbh

[strange python]

oh i got the other ring fuck

[shrewd oriole]

It’s mostly just your high roll potential

[strange python]

the soul talent one

[shrewd oriole]

Bracers shoulders has the highest ceiling

[strange python]

its an alt so was just curious what other combos i can use in the mean time

[fervent beacon]

You know what else has highest ceiling?

Your face.

[plain thistle]

🤔

[dire spoke]

what the hell

[plain thistle]

🍆

[strange python]

does that mean he has a big forehead?

i dont get it

[shrewd oriole]

Genetics do have very high potential

On one side of the spectrum you have people like voidbutt

Who look like cavetrolls

[fervent beacon]

[shrewd oriole]

On the other you have gingi

[river zinc]

super stupid question does Internal Bleeding work on targets that are immune to stun?

[wise frigate]

Never tried cause I've never used that talent, but I'd assume yes.

[river zinc]

so why wouldn't we run it ST then?

[dire spoke]

when you have a stunning girlfriend but she has internal bleeding

[shrewd oriole]

Nah it doesn’t

[gilded lark]

@river zinc please take a second and think about what you just asked

[ornate gazelle]

Should my finishers during my opener with shoulders always be 5 CP?

[shrewd oriole]

No

[ornate gazelle]

Only when I won't lose CP's with Mutilate?

[shrewd oriole]

Same rule as always

[ornate gazelle]

Oh, okay. Thank you.

[shrewd oriole]

Use finishers at 4

[ornate gazelle]

Just made the switch from sub/outlaw. Got bracers.

[river zinc]

@gilded lark im not going to lie..I thought about it a lot..and still don't know the answer. I've read the guides online and stuff, but I just don't understand or I wouldn't of asked. Sorry

[sand flare]

Is there anyone who like glances at logs to tell me what I'm doing wrong?

[gilded lark]

then let me ask this

what's going to hit harder

some shitty 5 cp bleed

or a fucking 5cp envenom

[dire spoke]

LOG ROAST

[wise frigate]

Whichever one comes from Vanish Cheap Shot.

[gilded lark]

i'll glance, but full analysis costs extra

[undone lodge]

hellooo shadowblades 😃

do anyone of you using authenticator?

[steep obsidian]

i get the feeling bleed build is gonna be pretty darn decent in bfa, haste change, expose armour debuff mastery and haste effecting bleeds, hope they don't screw it up with the tuning

[safe matrix]

Sub died for you

._.

[steep obsidian]

havent tried sub on aplha yet sin seems to play well although i keep trying to hit my kingsbane key

[vestal wren]

sub alpha is just a slower version of the current iteration

ES + a energy talent (vigor/sf) and playing around gw uptime might seem decent

[primal tangle]

Isn't bfa still5 months away?

[vestal wren]

yes classes will likely change a lot till release

[steep obsidian]

alpha seems pretty polished for an alpha at least the last one i was in

just a few lua errors n shit i noticed sof ar

[safe matrix]

Did you do mfd for the adds?

[dire spoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3BUyrseDl4&t=340s

[vestal wren]

the feedback message is kind of annoying but a good addition

[dire spoke]

enough internet for today

[vestal wren]

like do i rly need to say that the bonus area advancement had no bug after killing another mob for it(after every mob kill)?

[steep obsidian]

you can just not tick he box and ignore it if you want

[vestal wren]

sure 😃 i just wanted to point out how often it appears

[steep obsidian]

i reported the talking head popup lua error things but i think that might be just coz theres no voice for all of that stuff yet

i guess its useful for them

and some people do fill it in

[vestal wren]

it is as they know exactly where it happened

[steep obsidian]

with feedback not only bugs

[vestal wren]

they fixed some texture issues with buildings that where flying etc in the last bigger update

so i think they do quite well

not sure if they fixed this hitbox issue:
in range
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/306017089561559040/419894312403337226/WoWScrnShot_030418_115546.jpg
out of range
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/306017089561559040/419894340715020288/WoWScrnShot_030418_115548.jpg

[steep obsidian]

that health bar bug thing seems weird

where it looks like you are getting hit for 90% of your health for a sec then it updates

[vestal wren]

did you play the initial dungeon?

[steep obsidian]

not yet

just running around doing random exploring and quests

[vestal wren]

i did first area

all quests, but didnt start 2nd yet

[steep obsidian]

im doing the pirate area it seems decent

[vestal wren]

alliance?

[steep obsidian]

yeh

[vestal wren]

horde seems a lot better then alliance

[steep obsidian]

yeh the troll area looks cool