#assassination
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Was just a suggestion Lul
Or do I have to go to sub channel and tag him there just to say that ? Kek
yes
yes
Yes
Are traps gay?
Yes
Of course not
Why do you keep changing your name
@shrewd oriole using acoustic instead of autistic is not a way to get around the rules. Stop doing it.
!mute @shrewd oriole
@shrewd oriole is now ๐here!
welp
Hello guys can some one help if i m doing something wrong with the assa ?
@upbeat ivy ask away
can i put a log ?
tb usage is poor in general
you both delay it and you fit little to no envenoms in it
Thank you @shrewd oriole for being so helpful ๐
Awh shit, we cant use the a word anymore?

Dont go through my history giggle
no muterino pls
alacryti
Good thing we can still use ๐ธ
Connotation/intended use = actual use
that shouldnt be a meme. that shouldnt be something we throw around lightly
dont do it
I love the acoustic version of songs
yeah, have you heard that song "Lit right now"? it's very acoustic.
Member the days of tos release?
in case you missed this master piece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gsMPL3dBfU
๐ท ๐ท ๐ท was playing all day back then
I honestly didnt need this notter
reforge was too complicated btw
the comment section though XD
Call up corporate cause my ass smells like fishsticks
that whole song is basically a commercial
the last 3 we tend to be lenient on depending on how its used
oh ok
it would be like if I went around trying to convince people that haste is BIS stat for sin
intentionally misleading several people

Like flowi ๐ค
So like tom saying mastery is bis for sub aoe ๐ค
but theres also a difference between being ignorant and intentionally trying to mislead people
so youre right its hard to enforce but just depends on situation
and you will be banned soon for spreading miss-info 
๐ค
๐
"

Its not real
Its misinformation then
Like, Im cool with whatever rules are in place, if I didnt I wouldnt be here. It just seems inconsistent rn.
I didn't see "good luck" being against the rules
๐ get out
nvm, doesnt work from work 
Whats this Acoustic gathering in voice
๐๐ป ban?
Considering tom is in there, Id consider it more of an artistic gathering. That dude knows how to draw.
โฟ
Rip weak
Yeh no mute
#outofcontext
Thought so
Its for voip purposes
Free Tom


what is tank chat
Its where all banned and muted people go to relive their life on RH

!unmute @shrewd oriole
@shrewd oriole is no longer ๐ here! He/she can speak ๐ต now!
I kinda liked it when Tom had to give messages through reactions tbh
๐๐ป
that's how you get your reactions disabled for-evah
first garrote
http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ @spark badger
go to opener rotation
everything is answered there
Yo guys what should be my regular burst opener dmg ? Around 5m? At 963 ilvl and shoulders
There is no poison build opener without shoulders and talenting into nightstalker
What the opener for opus and valeeras
Okay
Ty for helping, weak
Feelsbadman when you have to thank people for helping
feelsbadman when you don't
It is best to use Nightstalker on Envenom when using Mantle of the Master Assassin. With other legendaries, Rupture Icon Rupture will always net more damage. <--- from Icy Veins, 
Nightstalker with shoulders
In short yes
There are very slim odds of rup beating env with mantle
But 90% its env
icy veins is an unreliable source at best
Well its not wrong with this piece
The fact its supposed to be written by a top rogue :-/
They are very negligent in updating their initial articles to keep with the current theorycrafting. It depends on the author of the article.
Who wrote the icy veins rogue guide
I dunno, IcyVeins is great for what its meant for -> Introductory, basic information
If you need something other than that, obv discords
It might surprise you to know that many "top rogues" make terrible theorycrafters, and vice versa!
how much versa/mastery/crit should u have? im toxic blade spec
Weak said use env after vanish
Icy veins said rup
Then weak said its correct but use env
Whatever sims the highest Envenรธm

@strange python There's no cap on mastery, envenom
There is no cap but you want much mastery and crit pieces
generally just get as much mastery as you can, with crit as side
At some point crit might overtake mastery
IC told you to rup unless you have mantle
If its really low
stop bully
Im confused as well
in voice
flowis avatar bullied me
All i meant to say was crit might overtake mastery if crit stat is really low
oh
i have 219% mast
"What's that dark area over there?"
"That is Voicechat, Ravenholdt. You must never go there."
I had 200 mastery and 20 crit and crit simmed higher

@unreal coyote What's your crit tho
Its case dependant
29%
Yeah
20 is enough
crit isnt horribly far behind
Speaking from personal.exp
@gaunt moat my raiding alts
my alts are 970, 0 M raiding done
finally something good out of the weekly chest
MA ? cool
neat
unlucky rng
lul
malch/mos/pk or riot
yeah
puke
atleast i broke the 2 mil barrier now
is versa complete shit for assa? should i enchant crit or mastery instead?
alacrity is the haste talent right?
If you say the a word too much, Flowi will appear

the summoning works!
We're warlocks now, summoning Flowi from the great beyond
Before
arrives
@zealous dew do u play PK?
why wouldn't u in raid?

guild sucks, i cba to find a new one, had fight with rl week 1 etc
sin is fine in m+
make F&F guild

he won
i had no tier till week 5
if there's ever more than 1 target, pk is bis
Nothing a proper mutiny can't handle Don
i still fok at 3cp anyway
simple maths
rogue (one r)
versus
raid leader (two r's)
1 < 2
2 wins

I fok at 3cp at 5 pk relics

simple maff
Well, can't argue with that 
So just to share outlaw woes with y'all for a moment
I want to show you the sum total of the outlaw changes in BFA thus far
those two tiers swapped
that is, more or less, "it"
what's outlaw ?
Some of the guides?
Should've read my "how to not make ppl angry on discord" guide
There is only one
sounds like it would've been useful
Where does he get the PLURAL from
he meant the sub as well
misinformation ๐๐ป
yosse
pls no mute flowi
don yosse btw
Should have sent him to Don, he likes making friends
They must want a guide that answers all nuanced questions with utmost accuracy
I think; "If you need to read the guide, Alacrity is not a dps gain for you," is probably a fair and non-bully statement
Nothing to do with intellect, just knowledge of Rogue's mechanics
and probability of having the right gear for it
guys
910 master assassin relic or 940 gushing wounds?
Shhhhh guys. I need to catch up on the last 8h of sin chat. Wait til I'm done please, tyvm
Do the discord rules apply to voice channels?
Hopefully not
anyone know how i can compare relics?
Technically, yes
Rules donโt apply if Jose and giggle canโt read it
ban?
flowi is bullied
ban flowi for alacrity please
for being a silent finn
Lma flowi 
naya said flowi is a cereal killer
@midnight latch is flaming snitches
snitches get stiches
moderate him plx
Voice chat is different... You can mute people on ur own lol moderate urself in voice
Everyone mute notter. It's like u banned him
lul
why did you say that giggleeeee
Get Rekt

if we mute all mods
everyone mute notter
does that mean we can't get moderated?
Just block all mods ๐ค
immunity from giggle oppress tm
it's like when you put your hands over your eyes, you are invisible!
@supple hearth are u bullying notter cause he stood you up last night?
Imagine notter talking to himself in voice
giggle is being toxic right?
yes
I'm more curious why folks hanging out in RH vc when they've got another discord that's unmoderated that they could do that in

mod wars
Seems like
win
Sekkret salt mines
jose

stop spilling sekrets
yeah let's talk in tank chat kappa
dude
thats cause our ๐ธ arent over at riffs
also we like living dangerously
It shouldn't be a secret that there are multiple clique discos
what is don talking about
The creation of RH was kinda like the Big Bang tbh
@keen inlet 
ripples of it still being felt across the intarwubs
GONNA DISTRACT DON
new planetoids and stars forming err'day
HIDE PPL
@keen inlet 
Naya I watched part of that vid last night
i saw a guy get vomited in the mouth
I hadn't even got to the truly nsfw part before I said I'm at work shouldn't be watching this
too @midnight latch

mageester
@shrewd oriole no u
What happens if the spoon emote becomes the new guitar
๐ฅ
what about we drop the wheel from the chair

''why is wheelchair called wheelchair and not wheelschair'' -Naya memefactory tm
@quick talon might wanna rephrase that sentence
He didn't use it in an offensive fashion, so clearly by the books

Why are you disabled? @quick talon
top hat
Well some guy this morning posted a 980 EoC
keep yourself?
And now
I feel disabled and reduced

12 year olds legal if they're hot?
I am dying

jailbait
Imagine telling the judge
โWell bro, sheโs quite young but daaaaamn..โ
Wont help
notter u can't show those pics
i agree
Stupid work, I'm missing all the fun
You just have to use them in the right setting
Jose doesn't ban
^
canned and hanned 
notter scares me
but repeated offenses make me wonder if that's actually better or worse than just muting/banning
i probably banned the most โญ
I've only banned twice and those two were from rares orders
Sure, but Jose bans / mutes those that deserve it
Mich
Monkas
๐
but most were spammers, not regulars
Tom you deserve every mute
depends who I ask
Poor tom

Giggle playing the guitar today
Lol
I agree
The life of an RH mod:
Do something: "wtf nazi mods literally <insert disparaging term for 'autistic' here when they mean figuratively "idiot" > "
Do nothing: "wtf <banjo> mods do nothing and they're shit tier raiders lol RH such garbage"
No bully guys 
"Do nothing: "wtf <banjo> mods do nothing and they're shit tier raiders lol RH such garbage""
who says that
๐ค
Life (cont.)
Go to sleep at 2am for work at 6am: "WTF MODS NEVER AROUND JFC"
that was a one time thing that jack said
Who calls a guitar a banjo
cuz some guy was posting lollys and hentai
<banjo>
people were saying we're shit tier raiders? ๐ฆ
I am
A banjo is a banjo.

XD
@gaunt moat allllllllllll the time man
<Banjo>
I mean it's probably true in my case
:banjo:
wtf
It's true in every mod's case
oh
master bait by jose btw
well as long as not my case
mods dont need to be good players I agree with that
Even if I had a costum banjo emoji

:banjo:
But to have an orange/purple name in RH is to have every log/decision/world quest you do scrutinized
and then be informed you're garbage
(on other discords and/or dm ofc)
Rename the don emote to banjo tbh
Jose, maybe we should hold a contest, where the rogue who gets the highest parse gets to be mod
mod me and in 2 months everyone will play exsang
so we'll get a reputation for good players
mod me and I will make a cooking stream and rap the openers
@gaunt moat Well, it turns out
"Bars and Bites Ft Naya"
looking back on the history of RH mods, and well-known players in general
@solid nova gonna steal that
cooking stream you say
that many of the best non-chinese (asian?) rogues also tend to be extremely toxic
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Yea because once you parse the 100s people feel entitled
Difference between good players and mods. Good players knows a banjo isn't a guitar
I think it's really interesting that because of a general language barrier there's a huge population of expert gamers that we basically don't interact with
Real heroes are toxic even with grey parses
Too busy smashing the rice
chinese are generally very racist if you don't speak chinese
Cant learn English
where do they learn their rotation, is there a chinese ravenholdt somewhere under the firewall?
i think it's actually good there's a separation @keen inlet
we get to see their meta
and it's usually very different
they were really into exsang/crit meta in ToS
They have slaves that translate the guides for them
i cant believe you forced me to read that with my own 2 eyes
Alternative being, someone elses 2 eyes?
aye
having someone read it to you
Because you cant read
Cant we just talk about feet again
i dont find the appeal
go back to learning finish
i feel sad for iwin because hes constricted
What is your foot size
its like
Keep your foot fetish away from here
so we can join memento
you constrict the happy out of him
Literally disabled
Muted
360p?
srs question if alac sims higher for me on ST(poison), would it also be worth running it in m+?
XD
i feel like the appeal of alac is the constant 2p but
i heard Alacrity
you always have that with fok spam
If alac sims higher for you on st you should worry about your poison gear setup
no
mainly its because i play bleed
its just simply better
Flowi dont
haha
42% crit with 2 bb traits lmao
I didnt even play rogue in nh
Flowi getting exposed
Hc omegalul
You guys all on smth today or did you finally snap or what exactly happened
guys i got 191% mastery and 28% crit, which do i need more of?
you played 9 dps at the same time? @viscid helm
@strange python sim your weights
That's some Finnish รbermensch performance right there 
World of Warcraft Profi

lul
fucking machine
women feint

man feint
alacrity > more hits > more leech healing
bannnnnnnnnn him
LMAO
๐ฎ
nice sim
I saw
2 minute fight ?
wow

maybe 3
๐๐ป

unethical
Im online
and craft the phys
already
flowi what are your relics?
Broccoli
๐ฒ
no broccli
MA and BB
:parsakaali:

hah
LUL
I don't think he understands a word of that
500k dark pact
and we back to poe
nice fuckin class discussion
okay naya. what you want to discuss
Broccoli
we should all eat more broccoli
i had some yesterday
๐
๐ฎ
dont fuck the broccoli
Ben Brodin?
I did not
Wheymen.
Brodin, who so loved us he sent us his only son, Swole, to show us the whey, the lift, and the gainslife.
A fellow worshipper on the path of iron
THE IRON TEMPLE!
Who comes up with this shit
And why
I mean I get the brodin thing
Kids these days, lemme tell ya
what do you mean kids
Eh it basically started as a meme
yeah
to partially celebrate how workout-focused a portion of the population has become
and body-obsessed instagram, etc etc
but also mocking gymbros and cardio bunnies
wow
implying that followers of brodin are true fitness ppl, non-annoying types, etc
that's not nice to say about me jose
its poking fun at the general steriotypes
Exactly. It's kinda poking fun of itself too
treating lifting like a religion
(which some people do)
gym bunnies are people too
leg day memes
I could read that shit all day an laugh my ass off
my trainer said i don't have to do treadmill ๐ค
I made to the gym in time to do 500m row and then like 7mins weights, then ๐ฟ
had to take the stairs cause elevator was broken
unexpected leg day
now I cry on the floor in sets of 5
Why is everyone so obsessed with fitness anyway
two reasons
- we're shallow
- we're genuinely trying to be healthy in the prisons that carry our souls
I don't wanna be fat
when you work in an office, at about 35 your joints stat to turn to mush, and your spine turns to jelly
cause some ppl are driven to make themselfs the best humanbeeing they can possibly be
- [revised] we're trying to be healthy in our primary mode of existence
and mental health is tied to physical health, so
what if we don't really exist
I'm 32 in an office and my spine is already mush
My kid thinks that our bodies are just robots that carry around our brains.
Me: "Everything you do, is because your brain told your body robot to do it. to see it, to eat it."

Fair enough I guess
@gaunt moat if you ran a marathon and nobody saw you runnning did you actually run a marathon?
I'd rather die sooner not having to restrain myself than live longer being unhappy
@midnight latch god saw you
@lone junco I played hpally again, its all your fault. Going to toy around with him a bit more this week. All your fault
enjoy
Best 5man toolkit ive ever seen
Not even kidding.
Flash into Bov shock.
BING
AoS on P4 of Argus is fun
Dont mind me while I solo heal the entire raid back to full
Raid heals arent my thing rn. cone is fucked, and everyone is spread. and LFR is highjacked by some Mythic shaman zzzzing
I want mythic shaman in my LFR. I get boosted casuals doing 200K dps
already healed a +14. so not bad so far
Tho last night we one shotted it all except Coven
Nothing that happens to rogue makes you pucker like a healer.
@midnight latch there's this really obnoxious alt-girl in my facebook that write a lot of dumb stuff
last week she wrote a post about "why the hell do guys make grunts in the gym when exercising"
and she followed that up by saying it's only to attract her attention and it's basically sexual harassment (she's not good looking btw)
"Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

Ha yea. Same people getting hit by avoidable stuff. I just let them die and laughed when they complained
lmao
"I could have saved you, but you kept doing it. It was less effort to just let you die at your own fault"
the only time i get some excitement on rogue is when everyone is dead and im trying to do bracer work to take care of the last 2% with just me tank and 1 heal
a girl that tries to look ugly
oh
2slow
well why are u girls wearing these tight yoga pants distracting me from my workout
these double standrards
not allowed to grunt at my weights
wew
@hoary copper I had a tank that bitched at heals back in the day. Said, I dont need you anyway. I said in /heal hold. warrior tank charged in, alone, and died. Me: I chose who lives, and dies.
but basically everyone replied to her "IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING OUT"
why do guys wear short shorts with no underwear to distract them from my workout? ๐คท
nice
@hoary copper glad you noticed
Bwhaha love it Noobe
you're 5'6, nothing about you is huge
Dragg race.
yeah but I'm half black ๐
๐น
ayyy
the dirt under his nails
if you scrub that off you actually would lose a few pounds
Tom, how about a nick that's not being a dick?
He's pushing it for a while now
yeah
He's been modded so many times, he's like the BORG and assimilates to it
That's an idea Naya
Yeah, chosen for 100% deserved moderator action.
๐ gottem
Needs investigating
would be the smallest chosen one in history
I'll let you in on a trade secret
Yoda of rogue
As a nerd im offended by that wrong use of borg assimilation @hoary copper
none of us, none of us, want to actually ban people. We generally dislike doing it.
dude
Star Wars > Star Trek so doesnt matter
Do you tho
now I have to wash out my eyes
Boss came behind me as that gif popped up
we invest a lot of time/thought into it that frankly isn't necessary. Break rules, RIP, would be 100% fair
rip
yes
tom is no yoda.

What happened


๐ฅ ๐ง ๐บ ๐ท ๐ณ ๐ฅ
careful now that hot
read as careful now tha thot
I had a good garothi with zero fish.
like my new mixtape
im fine with this
sub and outlaw losing out on speed bleeds 
Feral will prob be the big winner on hasted bleeds. Ours will prob scale like shit
the Vendetta CDR loss will really suck
the only thing that made exang fun was the peak timing.
well, haste scaling will help slightly
i mean
with energy regen
damage number balance talk ๐ค
rupture tick 2sec. to 1.6 with haste. 1.4 with lust. .8 during exang.
you do realize
im just not excited by that vendetta spacing
that 1.6 is dependant on your haste
yes.
vendetta being 2mins. i dunno.
exang as short as it is, without buff. and 100% and no bota
take a 4m rupture duration and turn it to 12m?
wait
Its fine. I'd just like to see it with PTR copy gear.
who was the "first and final warning" for?
you

first from stjern
Stjern has a ๐จ
Maybe he should adress people directly
dont think it was me but idk
That was confusing
it was you.
LUL
@warm parcel I dunno. seeemss like, a lot of the synergys are gone. Maybe long sustained rupture damage will be fine. I just really like the 45sec peaks
bye?
rip exsang meme
That's a nonsensical flag, grammar nazi. Trust me I do not joke lightly about that topic
Whatever
a. numbers are irrelevant
b. we havent even had our class changes yet
c. we dont even have our artifact perks yet

Only a few specs have received bfa changes yet
LUL
what if vendetta has 2 charges and the damage stacks?
ofc it does, best talent
@warm parcel ok. well if we have input, I wanna keep bota ๐
Thats totally possible it would remain as an artifact perk
As theres plenty stuff other specs have kept
fixed duration, 10sec with high hasted exang to fit inside.
i hope that bota will be merged with exsanguinate
You gotta admire flowi's dedication 
is VV energy return the poison hit on bleed, or the bleed tick on poison?
7e per tick
lul
got eye of command 960 . any good for assa? iam new to assa
not ideal
I just hit 110 a few weeks ago and so far I'm really enjoying assassin Vs the Unholy DK or frost DK.
@north basin check out the pins, it has a link to herodamage, it has a list of trinkets sims
frost is ez life tho
Oh the DK is a great time! I loved it. Rogue is just making the game feel new again.
And I think in BFA it will become the new main.
thats how i feel when I play outlaw. Like an alt with really really good gear, and horrible dps
well UH damage is to 99% his arbiter at this point and fight length really dictates how good you gonna parse
perfect fight length would be at the end of one of your arbiters
might aswell alt + f4
Good morning. . I have an envenom question, during normal rotation, (not with vanish up ) do you let envenom go full duration before you refresh or refresh as soon as you have 4 cp min
DK can't parse, things are dead by the time they get there
Forgot how slow Pally was too
lol horse
like if you really love pain
you play dh main and dk alt for raids
from fastest to slowest
suicide watch 24/7
Guys what skills do you use on beginning... like first 5 seconds of master assassin buff?
Sounds about right
@pale oriole SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
Wish the pally horse talent was default. DK could idk ghost teleport?
@gaunt moat are you rich from all the web traffic to your guide? or nah
walk 
Also, good morning lads ๐
Until there's a rock
ive read the guide but it doesnt say anything about if you let the envenom buff fall off or keep refresshing it no mater how many seconds its left







