assassination

[placid egret]

Think that squirrel plays assa or sub?

[valid plank]

he looks like a sin

so imma go with assa

[shrewd oriole]

ASSa

LUL

“Squirrels are a bit dumb so probably outlaw” - @hoary copper

[lone junco]

so I healed my first higher key on hpal this expac.

Holy shit. BoV is good. Fixes a ton of the 5man struggles from Wod. really improved the group heals (aside from all the ranged spreading out and being hard to cone).

[hoary copper]

I never said such things! Lies!

I hate the flashlight heal

[valid plank]

that squirrels taller than you @shrewd oriole

[shrewd oriole]

And does more dps than you lul

[valid plank]

he can't play wow

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah he can

He can play outlaw

[valid plank]

don't be ridiculous his tiny fingers can click the buttons

[shrewd oriole]

Only needs to press 2 buttons anyway

Saber slash saber slash hike by

Saber slash saber slash walk through

[hoary copper]

[valid plank]

7 buttons actually buddy

8 if you don't have ambush bound to same key as one of the others

[shrewd oriole]

I know I put a space in between saber and slash mate

Doesn’t mean it’s two buttons

[strange python]

lmfao

[valid plank]

sin is 2 buttons, then another 2 every 20 seconds

[shrewd oriole]

Sin is simple as fuck tho

Same with outlaw

Same with most of the specs in this game

Lmao

[strange python]

shadow and sub only hard specs confirmed

[shrewd oriole]

Outlaw is still one of the simplest specs in the game

[valid plank]

yeh well you seen the screenshot for a lock in wotlk

[shrewd oriole]

Snd outlaw

Jesus

[valid plank]

i've never seen so many buttons

[shrewd oriole]

Many buttons doesn’t equal complexity

[lone junco]

@hoary copper dawn is ok, but Flash/Bov/Shock combo is 👌

[solid nova]

Having a tone of buttons doesnt mean its complex if you dont use half of them.

[valid plank]

no but 4 buttons isn't currently making it complex

[hoary copper]

Shock is all you need in life

[shrewd oriole]

Shadow doesn’t have that many buttons

[fleet hill]

So I'm getting Boots/Shoulders and Boots/Ring simming literally +/- .1% of eachother

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qLkjCErB5TibKvN2mYFEWv

[valid plank]

use ring

ring is bis

these guys are tryna cover the truth

[hoary copper]

lolwut

[shrewd oriole]

Use bracers

[valid plank]

don't let the media fool you

[shrewd oriole]

Fake news

[strange python]

the hard part about shadow is not fucking up voidforms

[valid plank]

only follow @therealdonldtrump tweets

[hoary copper]

I wouldnt mind going back to pally, but I'd probably have to pay attention

[shrewd oriole]

At least is has a hard part

[lone junco]

SND is simple. RTB is less simple. Bracer RTB is a god damn mess

[strange python]

lotta pre-planning so you dont ruin your dps for the whole fight

[fleet hill]

Ring isn't abd since the mut buffs, but Ididnt think it would equal w/ shoulders

[valid plank]

How is braced rtb a mess

[hoary copper]

spriestn isnt that bad, its getting enough fucking haste to not be shit thats the worst part

[strange python]

yeah my spriest for coven has like 16.5 and i finally dont feel like a cuck

[shrewd oriole]

@TaurensRFurries#7538 our messages are being deleted

[valid plank]

what's the song that says get those lights off carry me home

i will not go blah blah

say it ain't so

[hoary copper]

I just hopped on mine and it has like 12500 and it feels like poo. Plus AOE stuff feels like poo so I switched to destro lock...tho may do ele as my caster

[placid egret]

A shadow blade is sniping you guys.

[turbid harbor]

all the small things

blink-182

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah man

[strange python]

it was nice to change up from rogue with spriest and still feel fast pacced

[valid plank]

ty zolbar

[shrewd oriole]

Classic don 🅱️ose

[strange python]

but its still not as fuck as rogue lmao

[shrewd oriole]

Deleted our intellectually stimulating convos

[valid plank]

if you want fast pace and rogue play outlaw

[shrewd oriole]

Stop

[valid plank]

if you like long naps will raiding play sin

[shrewd oriole]

If you play outlaw kys

Keep yourself simmed

[prime void]

tom

[lone junco]

RTB bracer outlaw is more work than reward. Idgaf what the sims say

[prime void]

mfw Argus still isn't dead

[shrewd oriole]

What

[prime void]

yup

[valid plank]

pantheon trinket is so bad

[shrewd oriole]

ISNT argus like world 500 atm?

[hoary copper]

Yea if I didnt want to do M+ sometimes, I'd play spriest more

[turbid harbor]

try simming ep with insignia

[prime void]

I havent looked

Because I dont want to be upset.

[shrewd oriole]

Out of fear?

I’ll look dw

[prime void]

thanks dad

It's prob 300 ish

[placid egret]

Panth trinket is really good for sin

[turbid harbor]

id guess 350

[valid plank]

it's not

[jovial kite]

700iwh

[valid plank]

stop the communist propaganda

[fleet hill]

Panth trink gives me like 5% with atl 9 trinks

[prime void]

panth trinket makes me sad

[shrewd oriole]

361

[prime void]

WOOHOO

Stupid fucking game

well

not the game's fault.

[shrewd oriole]

What’s your best try

[prime void]

1%

[fleet hill]

Guess ill go back to Ring/Boots instead of shoulders/boots

[prime void]

😃

[shrewd oriole]

Ah Nice

[prime void]

That was thursday

last night 20%

WOOHOO

[shrewd oriole]

Rip

Acoustic guild

[turbid harbor]

always nice to make progress

hehe xd

[shrewd oriole]

[valid plank]

i wanna see that entire deaf guild back for bfa

[prime void]

dude our healers

make me just wanna straight never rez from the tree

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[prime void]

and stay dead

because I have a better chance of living already dead.

[shrewd oriole]

Problem with healers

Is that we had two tiers where healing wasn’t hard

Straight into a tier where healing is hard

So you see a lot of flaws in players you thought were alright

[prime void]

we have an hpal who I've consistently asked to stop standing on our melee spead

and she's like naw, fuck it, RAGE FOR EVERYONE

[shrewd oriole]

Healing in NH was a joke

[hoary copper]

But thats how hpal mastery works

[shrewd oriole]

Healing in tos was easy cuz everything was a one shot anyway

[prime void]

6 melee on boss

[shrewd oriole]

Dae my mastery needs me to stand close

[prime void]

You really think I need 2 hpals on me ?

[shrewd oriole]

Fuck your mastery

[prime void]

^^

[shrewd oriole]

Keep Yourself Simmed

[prime void]

Its not like she's going to top anyone with chains anyways

they're just going to die

[keen inlet]

Deep breaths.

[prime void]

beacon swapping is insane lol

[keen inlet]

Count to 10

[shrewd oriole]

Nah dide

You know what it’s like

To play with what is probably the best damn paladin in the game

Side by side a garbage hpala

His mistakes are so evident

[lone junco]

playing rogue has def helped my hpal footwork

[shrewd oriole]

Argus triggers me

Our healers trigger me

[lone junco]

and, im pretty impressed with the 2m st burst from shock spams

[prime void]

Like I want to go play T100

[shrewd oriole]

I wanna go healer just so I can actually do something proper

[prime void]

But I'm too indebted to this guild I fee

[shrewd oriole]

I’m legit considering going healer

[strange python]

requires being a team played

id prob just snipe

[turbid harbor]

my guild has a pretty big gulf in quality between our holy palas

one used to play in method

the other one is questionable

[shrewd oriole]

Same here

You know divine

Divine is one of our hpalas

[turbid harbor]

he heals in raids?

[shrewd oriole]

The other is some entitled cunt

Yeah

[fleet hill]

How come ravenholdts not mentioned in the guide?

[shrewd oriole]

Says tanking is too easy on raids

[fleet hill]

Isn't it decent since the mut buffs

[shrewd oriole]

Which is true I guess

[turbid harbor]

xd

i only played with him in m+

didn't know he raid healed

[shrewd oriole]

Healers are much harder to play imo

Tanking in 2k18 btw taunt at 3 stacks btw

If you screw over dpsers just say whoops

[prime void]

Insig is viable @fleet hill

[turbid harbor]

😄

[prime void]

Takes some big boi crit

and EP typically

[turbid harbor]

i would never want to tank or heal in raids

i enjoy tanking m+ though

[shrewd oriole]

I’d heal

[fleet hill]

Would you take Ep over the Posion Talent though?

[shrewd oriole]

Healing is cool

[fleet hill]

NOw i gotta log back in. ugh

[lone junco]

healing is either shitty or op.

maybe in between.

but stressing a healer is Raid/Tank/personal/movement overlaps

it's never about just healing anymore.

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

Healing on farm is so nice tho

[lone junco]

always.

[shrewd oriole]

You hardly have to play

[lone junco]

I was in a heroic pug, and a single hpal healed 30x

was pretty funny

well farm starts cutting ratio

3/20 instead of 4

[manic vigil]

I enjoy healing as well but it is easier imo

Super boring on farm

[lone junco]

there is no top end. zero sum. means after all hps are healed, you stand around with your dick out, and no where to go

someone a while back said "healing is wasted on a good player"

not sure I believe that, but it got me thinking.

M+ is healing def a major role.

no ezmode there

[strange python]

trash before vari is the hardest part of the dungeon

why do pug tanks insist on pulling it all

[lone junco]

It is def easier to circle jerk logs as a rogue. you can always be better and competition with raid doesnt really stump your performance.

[manic vigil]

I just dps when nothing to heal

[lone junco]

if the dps is worthless, then meh

but hpal has a few good bursts if you use wings offensively

[manic vigil]

But m+ is tough indeed

[lone junco]

i have adjusted Legion goal. to have +20s on all instances for rogue, and now pally

should be fun

[manic vigil]

I was a hpriest tho

[jovial kite]

@lone junco have you ever had a good healercomp and a shit healercomp

[lone junco]

i have like 180days/played on hpal

[jovial kite]

like good players / bad players

[lone junco]

so yeah

[jovial kite]

ill definitely say good healers make shit count

[lone junco]

not legion, but it still applies

[jovial kite]

and definitely not a waste

[hoary copper]

That's how I'll get to do heroic on my rogue. I'll play on my hpal and get aotc

Getting groups as heals is easy

[lone junco]

sure. we finally got rid of our shit priest.

[strange python]

my buddy my guy download fake achievement and call it a day

[jovial kite]

one thing i can say with certainty that my guild has good is healers

and you see it on every boss during progress

[lone junco]

i have curated it pretty well. Hpal/Druid/Hpriest/Restoshm

[strange python]

we've got good heals aswell but our healing comp kinda sucks

[hoary copper]

Yea idk why I don't like the fake, you can easily check it too

[strange python]

they're great players but the comp isnt ideal

2x rsham kidna bites

[lone junco]

our hpriest was shitting in the Tyr BRH last boss. he just doesnt have a group CD for the Shadow

[manic vigil]

Healing is not a derp job. I just personally found it easier than dps because my interface was dope and I love high apm play (whack a mole on vuhdu as I called it)

[lone junco]

@jovial kite healing is very dif than dps main, thats for sure. In wod i was hpal. and could dumpster our monk. oh man did he try, but only so many effective heals to go around.

only way we could fix it, was to adjust ratio and push one to dps

I would love to heal mythic tho

and fucking with the heal ratio is asking for mechanic trouble.

esp with portal splits

[manic vigil]

We did brh just fine with a priest tbh. Players need CDs 🤷 priest can save himself and one other with wings noobe

Ezpz

[strange python]

yeah on the first one just use a personal. no?

after that you get the hp buff

[manic vigil]

Ya

[strange python]

same with first boss

[lone junco]

thats what we did. ret bubb. rog cloak. tank was fine, priest wings on ele.

but hpal could just devo

[strange python]

idk im a rogue i just feint and take half damage

spriest is shitty tho

i die so often in m+

[lone junco]

was funny first time to see 3 people splat

Spriest and enhance

oy

[strange python]

like fortified cats in brh

[drowsy kettle]

The guide is glitched and it’s a white screen for bleed opener

[strange python]

if i get him by 1 im done for

[manic vigil]

Rogue in brh is so unfair

OP cloak

[drowsy kettle]

Poison with shoulders and without works but bleed is white

[lone junco]

do you play exang?

[drowsy kettle]

I have 3 of the traits shoulders boots

Rn I’m doing poison opener and I sit at 1.56m

[valid plank]

You aren't a real Rogue player unless you hate all 3 specs equally.

[lone junco]

you can do bleed with boots and 3vend.

will want bracers asap

2p4p

[drowsy kettle]

I’m I don’t have yet

[halcyon pumice]

tfw will of valeera

[manic vigil]

OP healing

[sacred citrus]

965 haste crit shoulders with a socket. Out of my box. At least I got a 20 eye.

[valid plank]

20 eye?

[lone junco]

key

[valid plank]

oh fuck resets tuesday for us

my bad i thought he was talking eye of command

[arctic lodge]

today is tuesday

[valid plank]

ye

ty

and tomorrow is wednesday and yesterday was monday

[manic vigil]

[fervent beacon]

[manic vigil]

Go away voidbutt

[fervent beacon]

[manic vigil]

Damn now I feel bad

I'm sowwy

[sacred citrus]

I need an EoA for score. I only have an 18 depleted one.

Teeming fortified meh. Not so bad.

[manic vigil]

Explosive

[manic vigil]

I was about to link you noobe

[hoary copper]

Looked at my hpal to see what my logs even looked like and I was like "ew grey logs" then switched my argus to ilvl and it was a 100% hmmm

[manic vigil]

But you deleted as usual

[lone junco]

per usual.

[manic vigil]

Teeming explosive is such a buzzkill combo

[lone junco]

Perfect combo for Upper K

teeming fort that is

but some are prob pretty gross

[manic vigil]

Ya

Explosive always sucks for big pulls

[hoary copper]

I feel like lower would suck

or brh

[fervent beacon]

brh/lower or first few trash in HoV

[shrewd oriole]

Watching forswn play that dating simulator

Is the cringiest thing ever dide

[manic vigil]

forsen boiz btw

[dire spoke]

👀

[shrewd oriole]

https://www.twitch.tv/forsen

Watch it

This guy just said “you train your dog to lock honey off your ;)”

So crige

[fervent beacon]

Get physical by checking her muscles

bruh, this isn't gym.

[manic vigil]

Willingly watching forsen

I'd rather

[lone junco]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/21365424

Court of Stars
Watchful Inquisitors should no longer cast Searing Glare while stunned.

is this important?

[dire spoke]

LOL

[lone junco]

nvm. im thinking of Vault 2nd boss

[dire spoke]

Strawberry field test

[lone junco]

with the eyballs

[dire spoke]

Gotta remember this one

[manic vigil]

What are you talking about zempai

[sacred citrus]

Explosive isn’t so bad.

[manic vigil]

Did he delete again?

[midnight latch]

👀

[manic vigil]

Not it's not

But it denies big big pulls

[sacred citrus]

Yea

[manic vigil]

Which are fun

Hence buzzkill

[sacred citrus]

Especially as a bear!

[manic vigil]

@midnight latch alive

[sacred citrus]

Who changed the channel back.

@keen inlet y u do dis?

[plain thistle]

hello everyone

[keen inlet]

I didn't

I know not who did

[fervent beacon]

[lone junco]

@plain thistle 👋

[plain thistle]

😛

[dire spoke]

@shrewd oriole try the strawberry field test next date

[winter gale]

Should I pay more attention to maintain envenom buff or Surge of Toxins ?

[sacred citrus]

Why is my guild so ♿ about varimathras.

[winter gale]

Can any expert pls answer me ? 😄 Currently I am not even tracking Envenom Buff but I think thats one of the reason why I am not pushing my char to its maximum. I do track SoT all the way since NH but somehow I have an feeling that its refreshed by rotation itself nowdays, better synced ( dunno right terminology to explain but I hope u understand ) Thanks in advance, haha.

[keen inlet]

I'm not really sure what the question is

but

you should absolutely track envenom buff

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[midnight latch]

@manic vigil 😗

[winter gale]

Should I track envenom buff or SoT is a question *

I typed it before, sorry m8

[fervent beacon]

I been basically maintaining SoT with Alacrity, but I believe env will be easier.

[manic vigil]

[fervent beacon]

Because you basically get 35% crit chance with poison for 5s when you env

[winter gale]

I feel like rotation itself is making SoT refreshes much nicely than in NH when 1st used it. I am going to make a WA for envenom.

[strange python]

alacrity intensifies

[hoary copper]

Somewhere Don just triggered

[winter gale]

Im using toxic blade

[manic vigil]

He's over it

Don is fine

Together now: ALACRITY

[hoary copper]

Alacrity

[lone junco]

@winter gale just duplicate your SoT WA and change the buff to env. Rupture is refreshing your sot, but letting env drop

[hoary copper]

If we say it in the mirror 3 times does Don appear or is it Flowi?

[manic vigil]

not sure

Let's not find out

[strange python]

if i ask about bfa loud enough flowi appears

[lone junco]

SoT is insignificant now. Track Env.

and read the guide

SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE

no dm until you have read the guide.

🙅

[strange python]

i accidentally replaced one of my mass relics this morning fuck

[hoary copper]

Noobe did you make a friend?

[fervent beacon]

NO ALACRITY UNTIL YOU READ THE GUIDE

[lone junco]

i have a lot of them apparently

[fervent beacon]

[lone junco]

pingo

[hoary copper]

I'll be your friend ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Its so tiny

[keen inlet]

renaming this to Bruen's Thirst Lounge

[safe matrix]

man I think I only have like half that amount

[keen inlet]

details at 11

[safe matrix]

11 inches?

[manic vigil]

I don't have any friends

So what

Inches is 2018 btw

Get a grip murica

[midnight latch]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/3bde750c87550ccd238f9c567297872d/tenor.gif?itemid=3565289

[safe matrix]

oh I'll definitely be getting a grip of those inches later

🍆

[manic vigil]

[lone junco]

I do love the chang giffy

[hoary copper]

I have no thirst, I'm a good boi

[fervent beacon]

🍑 🍆

[manic vigil]

Diusus is 12 btw

[fervent beacon]

12 and bald 👌

[lone junco]

I prob dont have as many 🏓 as donjose.

[manic vigil]

@hoary copper I saw that

[lone junco]

people asking about alacrity

[hoary copper]

Idk what you refer to 👼

[keen inlet]

a bajillion

every day

simple maths

[hoary copper]

You're so popular!

[keen inlet]

but also simple for me to fix being an AI

[manic vigil]

[hoary copper]

Too bad you can't have an auto answer "If you're asking about rogue, please read the guide at www.ravenholdt.net first and if you have additional questions please visit the #rules-and-guides page of the rogue discord"

[lone junco]

how do I have more posts than you don. you are always here, and never leave

:noted:

[keen inlet]

that's untrue

i'm not around on most weekends

[manic vigil]

Nah Don is way more quiet than you lol

[lone junco]

its only 1k

68k 67k

still way too many

[manic vigil]

Your log analyzing sprees are legendary

[keen inlet]

I haven't heard back from the guy who was arguing with me about his log

the guy with the horrendous opener etc

spamming poisoned knife

[manic vigil]

I wanna argue with you don

[keen inlet]

he said he'd take my advice

[manic vigil]

Fite me

[lone junco]

my fav guy was the one that said he didnt need our bullshit guide, and his logs were ns dp stealth mut.

💸

whats a 200k swing by accident.

[manic vigil]

Okaaaay

You mentioned that fella btw Don

[lone junco]

dirt storms lol

[manic vigil]

Sounds like 🍿

[crystal fox]

i blow dirt all the time

oh, an actual dirt storm

[hoary copper]

Must....resist....comment

[dire spoke]

ayyy Aggramar progress

[crystal fox]

wasting time in d3 season aaayyy

[dire spoke]

good luck @shrewd night

👀

[hoary copper]

"7 things to do outdoors in Florida this spring" and it's a pic of a freaken gator. Nope nope nope

[lone junco]

we are going to disney in june ish.

do you get hurricanes then?

[hoary copper]

June is the start of hurricane season, usually maybe 1 or so but usually not a lot till August/sept/oct

[crystal fox]

when virtue tarries, evil smiles.

[sacred citrus]

Y’all are a bunch of delinquents.

[crystal fox]

you can be a delingigigent

[sacred citrus]

James is a great name hush your fingers.

[crystal fox]

proper bants dad

[zealous dew]

hello fellow rogues

[lone junco]

i read it as Jame Shitt

[sacred citrus]

Wooooow

[lone junco]

@zealous dew ayo

[sacred citrus]

Like how I read it “hero da mage”?

Instead of herodamage.

[lone junco]

First time I ate here, i read it as Chick Fill Uh

[sacred citrus]

No that’s how you say it.

That’s how I say it.

[dire spoke]

EoC or Fang for Aggramar?

[lone junco]

@zealous dew tried fancy pulls in BRH last night. the stair gauntlet was a fucking lol

[shrewd night]

@dire spoke Im onto you

[sacred citrus]

Depends on Ilvl.

[keen inlet]

Funyuns I thought were funny-uns

[sacred citrus]

ST and 950+ I’ll take the EoC.

But if you switch targets at all dang.

Fang

[lone junco]

@zealous dew was raging, and we had like 5 Fel demons about 200ft tall

didnt have enough stuns to stop the fel rage. and they were amazing.

[sacred citrus]

Wait. Gorshalacs? Who uses that garbage?

[lone junco]

i got a 975. still trying to use it for snd, but :meh:

[sacred citrus]

I have a 920 CoF I use for memelaw

[lone junco]

still good for RTB. but the gets the Scourgewing. that i dont have

[hoary copper]

I was told by a warrior that Golshalac was BIS 👀

[sacred citrus]

I remember when warriors used to argue with me the draught of souls was bis for me as a sin rogue.

[keen inlet]

lol

[warm parcel]

what was wrong with it

[sacred citrus]

It wasn’t bis?

[warm parcel]

prior to mantle nerf it kind of was

[sacred citrus]

How so? A 910NBF was way better.

[warm parcel]

nbf was dogshit for any reasonable progression

As it is so unreliable

[sacred citrus]

Main stat > haste.

[lone junco]

evergreen

[sacred citrus]

I never felt like wasting my mantle on a DoS.

[lone junco]

rip

rare left us to play an elysium hunter

[warm parcel]

again

before mantle nerf it was good.
And you lost 0 globals in mantle by using dos

[sacred citrus]

Which nerf?

[warm parcel]

From 9 to 6

[sacred citrus]

9? Wait....... wot?

It used to be 9?

[warm parcel]

Early on in NH with sub

[sacred citrus]

When?

Oh

Wow

I hadn’t come back to the game yet.

[lone junco]

pretty sure the opener was an E dump and Ago stack, in shoulder then dos

[sacred citrus]

9 seconds is like an eternity.

[warm parcel]

And due to mantle outlasting energy dos had 0 opportunity cost

[sacred citrus]

I could take a quick nap.

[zealous dew]

@supple hearth hey hey!

[sacred citrus]

No no I concede to your point about that one.

[lone junco]

or hammer out a ton of T19 Env.

[warm parcel]

But after they made it only last max 6 it fell a bit out of fotm

[sacred citrus]

Use DoS and give damage while energy refills.

[livid crescent]

simming 2.260 bois >.,

[warm parcel]

And logs always wanted frond anyway

[sacred citrus]

I scored a normal TF frond at like 915.

Got super lucky.

[lone junco]

right after they added LD was Outlaw season anyway.

3x 6b 👌

or 100% tb uptime

[sacred citrus]

Just went to another channel and it’s just @keen inlet trolling people.

[supple hearth]

@zealous dew hi

[safe matrix]

hi giggle

[supple hearth]

Hello ^^

[safe matrix]

how are you today

[supple hearth]

Pretty good. Today feels slow.

[safe matrix]

well the children and europeans aren't here to spam the channel 🤷

its too quiet though

the calm before the storm

[keen inlet]

@sacred citrus

[manic vigil]

Hey @safe matrix here is a little calm for you 🖕

[safe matrix]

😦

[strange python]

can anyone explain why alacrity is sort of competitive now lmao

[hoary copper]

It is more calm without Tom

[manic vigil]

Yeah he's getting out of control

Might need a little timeout in rehab soon

Rude?

I haven't even started yet

[dire spoke]

weak help us

[placid egret]

I'm scared.

[dire spoke]

we have 4 DKs and struggle with the aggramar adds

lol

[keen inlet]

tbh

I was very close to giving Tom a time out

lad needs to find a positive way to expend his energy

[dire spoke]

ranting me isn't enough it seems

[supple hearth]

Just need to send tom on more dates.

[hoary copper]

Its like he and iWin try to say the most outrageous thing to see what they can get away with.

[devout radish]

!relic

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[manic vigil]

maybe he's affected by the family tragedy after all. And not the cool psycho-/sociopath he wants us to believe he is

or maybe his spoiled ass is in need of a good whooping

[hoary copper]

😄

[sacred citrus]

Everyone is so mean to this Tom fella. He just wants attention.

[supple hearth]

Go on a date with him then

[sacred citrus]

I would. Apparently he’s a Cuban Texan living in Germany.

Or some shit.

Errr stuff some stuff.

[manic vigil]

lol giggle

good idea actuallly

[keen inlet]

iwin and tom

should date

tbh

[hoary copper]

I'd watch that drama tv show

[lone junco]

@strange python with enough crit. like 46-50%, and (75%+mut crit) the Env uptime gets close to 100%. with a few malch relics dp will be your top damage. Alacrity is a haste to melee poison applications.

Tb is an ENV burst window. Env uptime benefits alac a bit more.
its an EP/Alacrity build btw.
its not ideal for most, but you dont need 3vend to make it work.

[sacred citrus]

Fair. I agree because it alleviates me explaining to my wife why I’m dating a dude.

[hoary copper]

You say that like its abnormal Syl

[sacred citrus]

Hem?

What’s abnormal?

[hoary copper]

married men dating dudes lol

[sacred citrus]

Fair

[hoary copper]

Just have to look on craigslist to see that

[sacred citrus]

It would be abnormal for me though.

[keen inlet]

I used to get bored at my old job

and check missed connections and the other craigslist dating stuff for lols

it is...interesting

[sacred citrus]

I swear don you are about to make me feel a lot less weird.

I am not alone lol.

[hoary copper]

Yea there is a lot of different stuff there

[keen inlet]

the stuff that goes on in your community

[sacred citrus]

Yea it’s so much.

[hoary copper]

Is CL international?

[sacred citrus]

There are times I go in there and look and it’s empty and I’m sad.

[manic vigil]

awww, I was waiting for Don's reveal that he dated a man out of boredom

booo, boring

[hoary copper]

haha

[keen inlet]

nope

[manic vigil]

let's face it don

you are boring

just an average joe

nothing special

[sacred citrus]

I’m walking around with my clipboard pretending to to be working. It’s great.

I highly recommend it for everyone.

[manic vigil]

I'm finally at home so fuck that

[sacred citrus]

I just got done with my 2 hour lunch.

[keen inlet]

harsh

and unkind

words

[manic vigil]

and now my cats boss me around

[solid nova]

Forever slave to the pussy

[manic vigil]

ye

[hoary copper]

Fools!

[manic vigil]

hah!

[lone junco]

Forever slave to the pussy dollar

[manic vigil]

that's multiple layers of funny

[hoary copper]

That I'm a slave to

[sacred citrus]

Agreed.

[lone junco]

tfw you grow up and learn that life fucking sucks.

[hoary copper]

Noobe all your fault, going to try picking up my hpal today

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ben-affleck-hello-darkness-my-old-friend-sad-3o7WTqo27pLRYxRtg4

[manic vigil]

heal me daddy @hoary copper

[lone junco]

@hoary copper I loved it in m+. but my group is stacked around me

[sacred citrus]

Tfw you grow up and you move out to realize how much bills are.

[lone junco]

medical bills man. fucking bullshit

[jovial kite]

0 euros

[sacred citrus]

Join the military. Free medical

Just have to get shot at every now and then.

[tough lantern]

Move to anywhere outside the US

[lone junco]

@jovial kite zing. you got me.

over and over

[hoary copper]

No heals for you @manic vigil

[sacred citrus]

Back to working

[manic vigil]

[sacred citrus]

Pew pew.

[jovial kite]

[hoary copper]

I pug everything so we will see how it goes, going to just do LFR to start

[quick talon]

LFR

[hoary copper]

I could do a H TOS to see if I can get a better DGD

[lone junco]

@hoary copper took me a few pulls to realize i could tag BOV at the end of a flash and have it stick

[hoary copper]

Yea travel time for that works

[lone junco]

too bad I have judge ring and shoulders. what a shitter

[hoary copper]

I have judge ring and myraads right now

I also have the belt

[manic vigil]

tbh it's still baffling to me that Americans have no proper health care system. How did they brainwash you into that? Oh wait, 60% are also believers and most of them think the worl is 6k years old. Nvm

[lone junco]

belt cloak seems good

[hoary copper]

Good for M+

HPal dps if you dont have to really heal is fairly decent

[lone junco]

yeah, I was impressed.

and arcane torrent 💰

[manic vigil]

I like that hpal can use thei cds to dps instead of heal

that's a thing you want

flexibility

[lone junco]

Cstrike resets shock. one for tank one for boss. one for group/bov one for boss

[hoary copper]

I like versatility 😛

[manic vigil]

[lone junco]

yeah.

[manic vigil]

wtf

[hoary copper]

LFR dps is pretty sad, I decided it wouldnt be hard

[lone junco]

dawn spam is usually 2nd healer.

[hoary copper]

I pulled a noobe

My argus lfr kill last week had majority under 400K sooo theres that

[strange python]

thats usually it

[manic vigil]

[strange python]

if you even get that

Is subtlety better than assassination in m+?

[supple hearth]

Ye

[manic vigil]

method approved even

TM

[lone junco]

@strange python once you have shoulders/cloak then yes. before, they both suck.

zing

[manic vigil]

I like sin on tyrannical tho. murder dem bosses

[lone junco]

same.

[strange python]

I have already shoulders/cloak, so should I just switch to subtlety?

for m+ only

and sin in raids?

[lone junco]

dfa is fun in M+

[strange python]

on fort bosses dont last long enoug hfor people to see how bad i am at sub

[manic vigil]

yeah you should aim for that tbh

[lone junco]

give it a go.

[manic vigil]

sub is just better really

[hoary copper]

It's really whatever you prefer

[supple hearth]

@strange python sin is fine in m+

[lone junco]

I run sin, cause my group has plenty of AoE.

[supple hearth]

If youre not geared for sub then just stick with sin

[lone junco]

So I focus prio mobs, and bosses

[hoary copper]

I run sin because I'm bad at sub

[manic vigil]

I always think I am as well but in the end I outdeeps everyone anyway

🤷

[hoary copper]

Does that make you bad or them worse?

[strange python]

But what does subtlety better than sin rogue?

[lone junco]

my overall is always higher sin, but sub has the 🍆 burst

[manic vigil]

I play vigor ring for that. I know it's considered subpar but I likey

[lone junco]

sub hits for 18M single target.

lol

[manic vigil]

use cloak when I know I can get a big boom off of course

[hoary copper]

sub is bursty....burstier

[lone junco]

and the shoulder cloak is 3-4M per mob at open.

[strange python]

thanks guys!

[keen inlet]

tanking argus lfr

was legitimately

the saddest thing I have ever done

[manic vigil]

if you can make your group support you and pull adds to bosses that you can abuse for shurikenstorm then sub is porn right there

[keen inlet]

close second was coven lfr

[lone junco]

all the way to enrage?

[keen inlet]

yep

took 4 tries/stacks

aggramar is fine

ppl snooze through it

but coven

they all die in purple

and argus

they just

didn't tune well for lfr

[manic vigil]

ignore the balls

[keen inlet]

and so many people doing 300k

[manic vigil]

and low dps

[dire spoke]

ignore the balls

[manic vigil]

is what they do

I mean

[keen inlet]

and although AP should be a soft nerf over time

[hoary copper]

My LFR coven is usually dying to zappy bois

[keen inlet]

it isn't

because those players aren't actively farming ap

[hoary copper]

Coven and Argus are the two I know will take a while. Sometimes var (dps check) and Kin (ruiner is hard to dodge)

[manic vigil]

it's still not that bad imo

lfr can be done alright

I usually play in the middle of the night when all the nerds are online tho

[solid field]

Coven and Kin have been the worst LFR experiences.. And KJ in ToS.

[lone junco]

lfr is alright if you carry the dps lol

I did a coven, just me and blood tank. we ran double cleave for the last 40%

[hoary copper]

I usually do on rogue by a fair margin, my alts not as much

People STILL wipe to KJ

[lone junco]

just skipped all the mobs, and ran around the edge of the room

me at 2.4m or something

no heals. was pretty funny

[hoary copper]

heh

[lone junco]

far less fun on my healer when no one is doing dps

[hoary copper]

I forgot there was a dps check on kj until we failed it on lfr

[lone junco]

top out at like 1.2m

[strange python]

normal feels like lfr now

running it for that .01% chance of a titanforge

[void pecan]

https://giphy.com/gifs/carrots-CUXglttwoVwJy

[strange python]

ye basically

same with tos hc and a few mythic bosse

[hoary copper]

Going to have to do TOS on my pally for trinket. Least I dont have to go past mistress if I dont want to

[strange python]

my 2p t20 rn is like 920 and 925, could use some 930 or 940

really drags my overall ilvl way down

[prime void]

What does overall ilvl matter if it does more deeeeeeps :)

[strange python]

well also better ilvl means better deeps

if my only upgrades for that slot are the same item titanforge, im still chasing that carrot

[hoary copper]

more deeps at lower ilvl = better logs

[lone junco]

@strange python get your 3rd vend yet?

[strange python]

yeah like 2 days ago, got trashed and replaced one of them during a heroic run because it was like 40 ilvls higher

lost 20k dps

mfw

[zealous dew]

@lone junco i'm about to do 23 brh

[strange python]

guess its votw week

[zealous dew]

let's see how can we deplete this key

[hoary copper]

ilvl logs still count, thats what I tell myself anyway

[lone junco]

@zealous dew you stream?

[strange python]

having 2 mass isnt terrible though, im usually not losing any combos until i can get my 3rd

[prime void]

Ilvl logs definitely dont count

[lone junco]

if i could just pick, it woudl prob be 3mass. 1bb 2malch

[strange python]

3mass 3 mut crit

[lone junco]

@prime void they count if you are counting ilvl parse

[prime void]

Its a decent metric I guess, but can be fluctuated in so many ways

[strange python]

would be fun

[hoary copper]

If you're low ilvl like me it counts lol. cant compete with people generally 20 ilvlhgher

[prime void]

You're 940?

[lone junco]

my goal is 75% by ilvl. cant compete with mythic cheese farming. so it is what it is.

956

[hoary copper]

945 ish

[prime void]

Not you noobe xD

[hoary copper]

950 in bag

[prime void]

Do you have bis leggos ?

[safe matrix]

my stats are shite for sin, I can't do well for ilvl

[hoary copper]

Yea shoulder/bracers

[safe matrix]

unless its a fight where I can outskill people

like coven

[prime void]

Then you're going to dominate your ilvl bracket

[hoary copper]

yea if you look at overall its mostly green and blue and ilvl its purple blue and a few orange

[prime void]

I look like a rainbow parser by ilvl kek.

[hoary copper]

Heroic is a bit more green but ive only done each fight a few times

[lone junco]

that 2p4p helps me stomp the ilvl

[prime void]

^

[keen inlet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hoary copper]

my 20% on my hpal is a 100% by ilvl, does that count?

[lone junco]

but still well below mythic

[keen inlet]

They're both not gospel

[turbid harbor]

I just looked at ilvl parses for the first time

as I’m 965 in boots bracer

the rank 1s xd

[keen inlet]

but ilvl tells me if I'm way off or not, versus at this point overall is completely useless to me

[hoary copper]

Same Don

[keen inlet]

ofc I can't touch a 970 when I just cleared 950

¯_(ツ)_/¯

but hey filthy casual btw

[lone junco]

the real ilvl mvp @turbid oxide

[safe matrix]

don you ARE a casua;

jee

z

[keen inlet]

Loktark

[manic vigil]

leave him be

[keen inlet]

one of 5 remaining outlaws

[manic vigil]

you douche

[keen inlet]

at this point he's more myth/legend than man

[lone junco]

no one plays better outlaw. they might be in better raid guilds. but he stomps

[manic vigil]

🤺

[keen inlet]

We also had Grimmgrin and Swoofmere

idk what became of them

[lone junco]

grimm went sub a year ago

[manic vigil]

best outlaw of all the 5 there are

[keen inlet]

he went back snd

[manic vigil]

[keen inlet]

at one point

and then re-vanished

[vapid moth]

dont really know how i feel about this one 🤔

[manic vigil]

seems alright

gimme

[lone junco]

bracer boot. go ahead.

[vapid moth]

alright then. lets see

the avoidance makes a small dps drop worth it so

[lone junco]

pretty sure avoid is just bonus

might be wrong

[vapid moth]

yeah i know

[lone junco]

but bracer boot mptb is like 35 crit 185m?

[turbid harbor]

That’s what my stats look like at least

Before eoc

[vapid moth]

are there any other possible leggo combos i could go for that you think would work?

[strange python]

bracer boot is super strong with strong offpieces

[void pecan]

Bracer boots

• that and hand off piece

[lone junco]

bracer insig is another.

tyra uses it

[turbid harbor]

If you have high crit and low mastery you could try bracer insig

with ep

[strange python]

noobe how much crit do you figure for bracer boot ep/tb

[lone junco]

my 0p4p bracer boot Ep Tb and Ep Alac are about 45/125

[solar fog]

fricking finally got mastery gear from chest

[strange python]

which is better with that, ep alac?

[lone junco]

alac is for me. but I can see if you had less crit and more m. that TB would go back over

[strange python]

im like 41 119 with it, ill sim it mayb

[lone junco]

it might beat your exang with teh 2vend.

[vapid moth]

insig of ravenholdt right

[strange python]

so bitter about the 2vendetta thing, maybe ill get a good iron relic from farm bosses

[quick talon]

still doing weekly 15 in 2018

[prime void]

Bracer insig is my top sim.

[hazy iron]

you'd be retarded not to do your 15 for the week

[strange python]

takes at max 45 mins

[hazy iron]

its literaly the easiest effort for reward thing you can do

[prime void]

And I thoroughly enjoy playing with 46% crit

[vapid moth]

which insig lol

[strange python]

for the chance at a 960+

[prime void]

The insig that makes sense

[turbid harbor]

The one that doesn’t suck

[lone junco]

@gusty kestrel dunno prob 50c/43m/40v/35h/32a

its been a few days.

[vapid moth]

i dunno man. the welfare leggo has mastery and can potentially add 7.5% mastery with the right relics

[prime void]

Its poop.

[lone junco]

Ep/Vig/Alac?

do you have 7/7malch?

maybe thats it.

I have 3v 1malch 1bb 1 env.

its still my highest poison tho

Shoulder bracer Tb is long gone

[prime void]

Hmm I wonder alac vs tb for ring

[frail gate]

Is amanthuls bis for sin if we get one or is golganeths better? I've looked at sims but every site says something different and I dont have one to sim myself

[lone junco]

its going to be boots tbh. Flowi confirmed my testing that 3vend bis

[turbid harbor]

I would use amanthuls if I had it

[prime void]

Amanthuks crit

[lone junco]

@frail gate amanthul is a 5% loss for me from a 1000 argus

Oh. I use dogs.

[prime void]

Mfw no fang still :(

[strange python]

if it is bis your guild is gonna be super salt, if it isnt bis they definitely are going to be salt

[prime void]

No reclear in 4 weeks. Feeeeela good

[strange python]

970 socket fang

feels so good

[lone junco]

ye. +crit sockets are gold

[prime void]

960 EoC so w/e

[lone junco]

im stuck at 2.08M.

[vapid moth]

rip

none of those were upgrades

[strange python]

1.96 atm with bleed

[prime void]

Not through

[vapid moth]

the shoulders are shit

[prime void]

This is week 4 or 5 of argus

Ive lost track

[lone junco]

@vapid moth just hang on to them . never. know.

[dire spoke]

@prime void I watched you a bit, having fun there in last phase

😄

[prime void]

Oh have ya ? Howd you find stream?

My random clip posts?

[dire spoke]

you baited me once

when I tried to fix my OBS

(cunt)

[prime void]

Oh yeah!

I didnt mean to bait :(

[vapid moth]

yeah of course. i dont trhow out my highest ilvl gear

[prime void]

Id kill for those shoulders

I use t21 shoulders

Cuz wellfare

[vapid moth]

you dont have to kill me

ill give them to you

[turbid harbor]

Yikes

My gear sucks

[prime void]

I have no others :)

9 brolls on garothi

[turbid harbor]

But I’m not using haste vers shoulders

[prime void]

Its pretty wellfare.

[vapid moth]

lmao wtf. alacrity + EP is a 2k dps buff for me

[frail gate]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ttySLb4DqhXmu7CY9iMpGS

[lone junco]

Ok everyone, now.

Bracers dont buff Env

Bracers buff DP and Rupture.

[vapid moth]

ah wait no. the shit didnt change my talenta

[dire spoke]

!! POISONBOMB IS ACTIVE !!

[strange python]

mine yells dont move

tired of getting cucked by my groups tank

:^)

[safe matrix]

If I ever see that I move the mobs

:^)

[strange python]

also noobe the alac still sims lower than my exsang even with 2vend

[lone junco]

yeah mine is too. but it is my highest poison.

[strange python]

owait that was 2p4p

oops

[lone junco]

0p4p Ep/vig/alac. is like 20k under my 2p4p Exang.

in reality the exang logs are much higher.

[strange python]

killing nef rlly quick then ill have to sim that

[lone junco]

because boss timings are nice for exang sync

[vapid moth]

update. alac + EP is a 100k dps decrease

flowi is a piece of shit confirmed

[lone junco]

whew

32 crit or 45 crit?

[frail gate]

boots 10k dps loss

[vapid moth]

lol what is crit

[lone junco]

you cant EP without crit.

lol

my mut is like 75%

[vapid moth]

all my off pieces have vers its pathetic

like 6k vers from the 2 rings and my neck

[strange python]

some good high m+ geaer

[prime void]

Whats your crit xaethron

[vapid moth]

23

[prime void]

Lol

[vapid moth]

i know

please dont berrate me

[prime void]

Wont make ep work with that xD

[turbid harbor]

I’d probably still play sub with 23% crit

[prime void]

2cp 2cp 2cp

[turbid harbor]

That low mut crit would be too tilting

[prime void]

Fun game

[vapid moth]

its not that bad. i dont remember a time where i really had high crit

[lone junco]

looks like 66%

I started stacking crit in Tomb. Saw Weak at 55crit 175m was like 👀

beheld the secret stash

[civic palm]

That takes into account BB.

[warm parcel]

55 was with eoc

had 80 muti crit at the time

[lone junco]

yeah. 55 Eoc + Engine

@civic palm nah that 55% was flat crit. not mut

[sick cradle]

why does kingsbane give me 3 cp when I crit? shouldn't it just be 2?

[lone junco]

my 66% is including the bb

that being said, I dont recall getting 4cp from a shoulder crit, but maybe i miss the shoulder window with it.

[prime void]

alac is like 70k dps loss w/ my ring build

[lone junco]

prob

[prime void]

I've never been able to get alac to sim even half-way decent

[lone junco]

I had hoped hat would work nicely with the KB reset

it does not.

its not an ideal build imo. just worked out that way

[strange python]

after simming myself 97 different ways the best dps i can get is exsang but ep/alac is close

[lone junco]

do you have monster shoulder offset gloves? @prime void

i wound up with some 960 crit mastery, so it comes in pretty strong.

[strange python]

whats your ilvl range at noobe?

[lone junco]

957 exang - 964 poison

ep alac isnt great. and it is a zzz spec

prob just good for farm sleeping

[strange python]

my 955 exsang does 1.87 and my 961 poison does 1.86 ish

tb does 1.7 ish

yikes

[lone junco]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s4yBQfdXddUkL1UqQYwtd8

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c7nNWhXkmNQt82XT6PZ1Zg current exsang gear

[lone junco]

if i could get that neck at 960 with socket, id probably be done for the tier

[shrewd oriole]

Very close boys dodged the bullet

[lone junco]

@strange python that argus trinket will be like 30k per click. fill it out and you are good

[void pecan]

Good thing you went to sleep or whatver

now back to your eltist attitude

[hoary copper]

groan There goes the quiet

[strange python]

yeah i was gone for like the first 3 weeks of prog with work

[shrewd oriole]

If y’all want quiet

Just mute the channel

Xd

join online chat room

[shrewd oriole]

complain people chat

[hoary copper]

!mute Tom#6911