especially during tyrannical
#assassination
fast nacelle
distant nest
a lot of ST
safe matrix
Yeah, basically the more single target there is the better sin gets
distant nest
why is sub better in aoe?
safe matrix
sexy on demand burst
spare cloud
because sub has reliable burst
fast nacelle
dungeons with bigpulls favor sub cause you have the burst dmg every group
distant nest
i see i see
fast nacelle
dungeons like upper kara or even hov favor assa
basically everything where you dont have big pulls n shit
distant nest
i see, thnx for the tips
fast nacelle
you can play big pull in hov too (begining) but even then if you run it with 2 ranges assa is better for crippling poison
and most groups are 2-3 targets or basically kite on higher keys where slow values a lot
spare cloud
Generally yes, there are exeptions
fast nacelle
the lower the key the better is sub - or the bigger the pulls
its also more fun than assa if you want reliable aoe dmg
distant nest
the poison bombs feel so good tho
thorny stump
guide doesnt mention t20 in gear section, so dont wear it?
distant nest
cloak?
safe matrix
cloak legendary
spare cloud
distant nest
ohh
safe matrix
basically cloak/glaives are what give sub its viable burst
strange python
how is bleed in m+?
distant nest
liavre , glaives drops from ToS?
dire spoke
tampon flurry
safe matrix
?
distant nest
no just wondering
safe matrix
yeah sisters
strange python
im meme'ing srry nah im not in on agg because we need a 2nd dk
spare cloud
unlucky
strange python
it happens, part of having a 25 man roster
dire spoke
why would you want DKs for aggra
strange python
2x gorefiends
plain thistle
we do that fight with 1 blood, but we use 2 dps DK to help him with single grips
civic palm
Szechuan Sauce sucks.
dire spoke
mize 👋
strange python
its really nice with 2 blood dk because we dont have enough push backs
civic palm
👋
dire spoke
we're on aggra tomorrow 
just asking
civic palm
That sauce has like, no fucking heat, least the flavor is fine.
dire spoke
but we have 2blood 1frost
strange python
youll be fine then, as long as you have a lock with ring
lock with ring, 2dk and 2 druids have made the adds more than manageable
spare cloud
Lock with ring is fine as long as he doesn't kill the adds
strange python
our lock is like 967 so should be ez
plain thistle
adds will die, if you control with a lock
you cant avoid that, they just cant die when you actually need to grip them
sand whale
I'd say the lock slow is the most reliable, as long as you have your key players e.g. DK + some multidotters that benefit able to see the embers energies
they can die no problems there, just as @plain thistle said you don't want them do die when they need to be gripped
sand whale
it's slightly easier with another DK that kinda acts as the middle person sometimes but yeah don't need a lock for sure, just for my raid comp it was a lot easier to do it that way
I've seen it with mages or rotating roots etc etc depends on your group
spare cloud
pretty much anything can work
sand whale
if anything probably just DK requirement lol
spare cloud
Crippling poison 🤔
dire spoke
I tried LUL
spare cloud
Rupture
spare cloud
You rupture
well it honestly depends, if the mobs die instantly
then you can evenom
drifting cosmos
i mean m+ boss
like a lot of times i can get 3-5 cp before boss fights
and i think opening with 3 cp is again different from 4 or 5
🤔
and yea, i am using shoulder/wrist + poison build
strange python
is 4set a must for assas?
sand whale
evenom probably wins out if your trinkets + concordance proc but I've always ruptured anyway in those scenarios
strange python
i gfot trinket of vari cos it dropped out of cache and i got singed fang 930 still havent got pantheon so i shud use 4set bonus right ?
sand whale
? what does trinkets have to do with 4 set
knotty flame
oh we dont have a bfa channel? shoot. cause bfa assassination feelsgoodman
frosty linden
So bleed build (boots + bracer, t21 4pc, t20 2pc) sims higher than my poison (shoulder + bracer, t21 4pc) but i cant help but notice not a single decent log is a bleed build. Can someone explain this to me as im a fucking idiot
sand whale
because of your gear, not sure how to answer this tbh your stat distribution probably favours it.
logs are all poison because it does sim highest and higher variance as poison
frosty linden
Also the ravenholdt bleed guide suggests deeper stratagem over hemhorrage and surely hemhorrage would go perfectly with a bleed build?
safe matrix
no
because deeper strategem buff rupture by a lot
the 5% to it + the extra combo point makes it go from hitting like a truck, to making it hit like a bus
strange python
also hemorrage is with elaborate planning not deeper strat
drifting cosmos
they are in different tiers
safe matrix
elaborate planning and master poisoner right?
safe matrix
israeli girl again?
shrewd oriole
Ye boi
safe matrix
nice
rain urchin
does feint spam still reduce the cd on vendetta with boots? or nah
I feel like i've heard at some poitn that they patched that out
civic palm
Doesn't. Have to FoK the CD away.
civic palm
To a degree, it will always be with us.
strange python
why does HC aggra not give all-star points on wcl anymore?
dawn kettle
you want to have SoT up before you use tb outside of kb and vendetta windows right
or am i doing it wrong
dire remnant
if rupture and envenom buff are gonna end at the same time, which one do you guys prioritize in rolling? assuming you only have enough cp/energy to get one up, and maybe like 2-3 seconds later u can get the other one up?
honest jolt
Prolly rupture priority
spare cloud
Rupture.
dawn kettle
its only really important to keep envenom up 100% during KB, it's very unrealistic to have it up 100% of the time
spare cloud
The more the better
And yes it's kinda impossible on bossfights, you aim for around 70-80% depending on how long the bossfights are
steep obsidian
envenom isn't that hard to manage especially considering it pandemics, sot is a bit more tricky same as 4p
if tricky is "don't spam buttons too much and think a little"
dawn kettle
basically. i tend to just shut down in raid more often than not and just mindlessly run through the rotation
there's a word for that, but i cant think of it right now for some reason
lone junco
@frosty linden bleed vs poison. Bleed can avg higher. Shoulder bombs will have a higher top end. Top logs are a lot of bomb luck. And. Bleed gear is a bit harder to put together.
frosty linden
yeah i resimmed and i was wrong poison does sim higher but by a very slim gain
like a 50k dps difference which rly isnt much
lone junco
Top logs are a 3bomb in shoulder. And people follow top logs whether it is best for them or not.
paper elbow
Guys, during vendetta and KB do i not worry about clipping the buff from envenom? Do i spam env asap? Or do i treat it like normal rotation and only apply when in pandemic?
lone junco
Exang is smooth and syncs nicely around some mechanics.
dawn kettle
clip SoT inside of kb and vendetta but outside of shoulders if youre using them
if you have shoulders you spam envenom disregarding both sot and envenom buff
paper elbow
OK so spam env during those cds and also during the shoulder 100% crit windows?
i have shoulders but only have 4 pce with insig and helm which sims higher than 2pce with shoulders
dawn kettle
only spam envenom during shoulders window, clip SoT during KB/Vendetta
fervent beacon
@lone junco Exsang is going to be 100% top notch when I can use my outlaw set with haste/vers, I have 21% vers but my crit is around 30% but should be managble with 27% haste once the BfA change come in pre launch patch for bfa.
paper elbow
OIC, So maintaining energy is more important then as many envs during vendetta.
dawn kettle
you never want to cap energy, so if you have to use env outside of pandemic to avoid capping do it
paper elbow
@dawn kettle TY for your help. Im new to rog. only 945
whats the reasoning behind not getting in as many buffed envs as poss?
fervent beacon
Clipping Surge of Toxin which basically give you 10% free damage isn't smart on energy wise
dawn kettle
doesnt matter during vendetta/kb, you'll have plenty of energy to clip it, and that's the only time that i'll do it
lone junco
It never hurts to do more env. As long as you make it through the Kb with 100% uptime. 3env in the tb is really nice.
steep obsidian
I'm pretty sure the opener in the apl caps energy because it opens with vendetta
coz app it a dps increase to do so
dawn kettle
even if you do the guide opener, i cap energy for a game tick or two
i think i'll cap twice for a tick
steep obsidian
Urge to Kill Energy 24.67 529.03 (6.39%) 21.45 63.81 10.76%
so 10+ % waste of energy from vendetta
trying not to overcap is a good rule though
dawn kettle
that's from wowanalyzer?
civic palm
Overcapping is meant to express that you are not doing enough, a waste of energy is not a waste so long you can do what you need to do with it.
civic palm
and IIRC wowanalyzer is not maintained, so probably not.
steep obsidian
nah thats from the full report of a sim i did under the resources
civic palm
or is someone on that now > _>
steep obsidian
i did xsang too and it wastes less energy
Urge to Kill Energy 24.37 560.94 (6.22%) 23.02 25.01 4.27%
civic palm
also if it
is not a dps loss to pool overcap (which is almost never the case as far as I know) then the "waste" isn't really a waste.
Example for that would be having to run out of something, or anytime you are not in melee range.
dawn kettle
capping is only a dps loss if youre actively hitting the boss
pretty sure i cap energy all the time running between kingaroth adds
civic palm
Should keep up things on Kin as much as you can.
Since I believe that's just damage reduction, and not immunity.
dawn kettle
yeah, it's usually a free energy bank while adds are up
rupture just before i leave, and rupture again as i run to the second one
civic palm
1 shot OTL tower > _>" not as easy as Feral but still.
dawn kettle
i cheesed the shit out of feral's MT
outlaw can actually fuck off
i spent like 4 hours trying to get it done
fervent beacon
I kind of want to try exang on mythic kin
dawn kettle
that'd probably be cool, but i doubt i have the gear for it
fervent beacon
once the BfA change get in for pre expan launch patch, im switching to exsang as my outlaw gear have high vers/crit/haste
steep obsidian
pre expac patch is always weird as hell balance wise
im sure there will be some dumb build that will be op for those few weeks
dawn kettle
ancient sonnet
inb4 alac mfd op
pine brook
for mythic+ AOE
do we just FoK, and just rupture at max combos
on all the diff targets?
supple hearth
Ye and pray for pb
modest wind
is it bad if i wanna spec Dispatch asap cause... it's Dispatch
rose lichen
Is poison or bleed build better for antorous? thinking about making the swap from sub, haven't played assassination at all this expac
zealous dew
different gearsets, different relics, you can sim yourself and find the answer
sly cradle
i think with the 4 set bleed build is good but the energy means more envenom procs so poison does a lot more damage as well so imo poison build is where everything kind of leads too. but i agree with shantal better off siming and theory crafting off of that
nova snow
Hello friends
jovial vault
poison is the general build to run bleed isnt worth the time to learn
nova snow
Fellow green boi here
hazy iron
Is 3MA still decent for poison, though?
nova snow
Which ma
hazy iron
sorry, vendetta
nova snow
Ye
jovial vault
yes
sly cradle
bleeds better burst if i remember right but posion does more damage over all? its been a while since ive played around with it
jovial vault
2Mass isnt viable you want either 1 or 3
nova snow
Me not that kind of orc!
hazy iron
im working towards my 3rd alch, currently on 3vendetta and 2 alch, once i replace that balanced blades, I feel like my mutilates gonna be borked, because i have too much haste and not enough crit
nova snow
%crit?
hazy iron
sitting at 22%
hazy iron
i know, it's horrid
hazy iron
974 lol
nova snow
Wtf
hazy iron
i have a960 fang
hazy iron
so what happened
hazy iron
was I got a super titanforged glove and belt, unfortunately both had haste, but they were still a dps upgrade on my old gear
nova snow
Lol
sly cradle
if youre 974 ilvl i think dropping some of that for crit is better idk tho
nova snow
U have to go for perfect itemization
dawn kettle
how high of vers are we talking for bleed?
nova snow
Crit mast only
hazy iron
feelsfuckingbad, im actually ready to take a dps drop for more crit, because landing on 3cp hurts way too much
sly cradle
15% vers is a good spot i think could be more
dawn kettle
oh, well guess 20% will work fine then
sly cradle
yeah I mean i wouldnt take anything i say to heart its been quite a while since iver played around on my rogue before i swapped to tanking for raid team but off the top of head 15% was a good starting point for vers
jovial vault
i think atm im at 969 with 30% crit 195% mast
nova snow
EoC?
dawn kettle
oh i have no intentions of swapping to bleed build any time soon. i dont think my guild is going to do very many bosses outside of garothi, dogs, then imonar forward, so the chances of me getting 3 MA relics is exceptionally low.
it's just interesting to see how stats fall for different builds
sly cradle
I feel like sub and sin discords are more active then outlaw feelsbadman
dawn kettle
i pugged so many uppers trying to get one
nova snow
Unbearable
dawn kettle
luckily i got my 960 fang first
nova snow
EoC sims higher
dawn kettle
EoC is also really punishing if you swap targets.
gilded lark
or just use mouseover macros
dawn kettle
except that's 10 seconds where you could have 10 stacks of the buff already. it can sim higher all it wants but in reality i'm going to play around how my raid functions.
sly cradle
personally ive never used macros like mouseover ones cause i found it hard to work with, if you just get good muscle memory and tab targeting you can get by just as well
its just practice
dawn kettle
specter simmed higher for me throughout ToS but in actuality, it was bad just because it was very rare i would land both ghosts 100% of the time.
sly cradle
also if you know you need to swap saving combo points and small cds for the swap isnt too harsh on your meters if you play it right
dawn kettle
ive tab targetted plenty with eoc and not dropped stacks
sly cradle
or clicking the target instead of tab targeting either one works
its just how fast you can do it is all really, macros help but normal funtions work just as well
also if were talking raids and you wanna be as efficient as you can with multi targets may as well play sub honestly
dawn kettle
960 fang sims higher than a 940 EoC for me anyway, so unless i get one out of the box of disappointment, i'm not really gonna go out of my way to get one.
sly cradle
eh personally sims to me are like a this is ideal on a non movement single target fight like yeah EoC is amazing if you just hit on target but fangs better over all cause you can use cds more efficently with on swap fights
dawn kettle
basically.
sly cradle
like anyone that takes sims to heart on everything are missplaying in a huge way
its the whole ideal vs reality enviorment
muted badger
i really like fang
dawn kettle
i had like a 50% uptime on atleast one buff on varimathras i think
it's really really good
sly cradle
varis like patchwork honestly
muted badger
better/easier than EoC imo
sly cradle
not an insane amount of movement
muted badger
EoC too random
sly cradle
or swap
muted badger
getting EoC is too random i mean
sly cradle
lmao
dawn kettle
yeah 56% uptime on the agi buff, 40% uptime on the crit buff
jovial kite
mouseover
civic palm
^ ^ ^
slim estuary
Is there a way to check my env uptime during kB on logs?
strange python
transferring to stormrage from a dead realm wish me luck
jovial kite
gl
sacred carbon
!Relics
vapid moth
Yes @slim estuary. Go to timelines
slim estuary
Is there a way to have like an actual % show or have I just gotta visually go “yeah mate she looks alright”
vapid moth
Maybe there is. I'm just not advanced enough in how to read it. Otherwise you just go to the timeline and make sure they both overlap for the duration of kb
slim estuary
Hopefully one of the big boys here have an answer
vapid moth
Alright. I won't take offense to that.
slim estuary
You just said you’re not big boy enough to know 😂😂
vapid moth
Hey I said maybe. For all we know there might not be a way
jovial kite
you cant
you have to look it up for every kb
wanna link that log ?
@slim estuary
vapid moth
Ha!
jovial kite
you can look up the timelines of kb and pull up an envenom uptime graph above it
to help looking it up
slim estuary
Thanks mate I’ll take a look st that then 😃 if I have to refresh rupture towards the end of kB or refresh env towards the end of kB what should I pick
strange python
slagg why doesnt bleed use subterfuge
jovial kite
because it does less damage than ns vanish rupture
strange python
makes sense
jovial kite
rupture is your main damagedealer so its only logical to buff it vs anything else
and during execute yours ns vanish rupture exsang is insane
strange python
i was playing a bit of it earlier today and the opener on ravenholdt didnt make sense
jovial kite
hm?
strange python
theres no way without t20 that you could garotte that fast
jovial kite
i think the opener is with t20
and i personally dont see the idea of playing exsang without t20
strange python
it sims higher than my poison by like 40k
with t21
just not sure what the opener would be without t20
jovial kite
and i got to say i wouldnt refresh garrote before exsanquinating on the opener
as your garrote is 50% buffed
and you only get max 30% longer garrote if you refresh it
if i get bad rolls on mutilate before vanish rupture id say you can refresh
strange python
without t20 tho i cant anyway
jovial kite
but if its 2x mut vanish just keep the empowered garrote
yeah
its irrelevant if u got no t20
strange python
so follow it other than the refresh?
strange python
later in the fight i hold vanish for exsang tho, yes?
jovial kite
yes
execute exsang is your highest dmg output of the whole fight
so if you only get 1 vanish during the fight, save it for execute when you have potion and vendetta up
you can also hold it for a little longer to try to get concordance / ssf buff to make it even crazier
strange python
makes total sense. during my mid fight exsangs do i try to like hold garotte until im about to combo or?
jovial kite
without t20 i wouldnt play around garrote that much tbh
the damage isnt that high
just try to max uptime rather
if you go out of exsang without garrote your energy regen is scuffed
that hurts ur ep envenom and 2p uptime
strange python
mhm. thanks btw not a lot of bleed resources
jovial kite
yeah because noone plays it 
i think i might be the only one playing it at high level
strange python
one last question. after exsang with the 8 or so secs of rupture, do i let it fall off or can i pandemic it?
jovial kite
you mean an exsanguinated rupture?
strange python
yeah
jovial kite
never refresh an exsanguinated anything
let it fall off
and make sure you have cp to refresh it instantly as it drops
if its a rupture that is
strange python
alright. i didnt know if it overwrote or if it was dynamic
jovial kite
if you refresh exsanguinated bleeds it stops the exsanguination
so you lose a shitton of dps
even more so if you refresh a vanish empowered bleed
strange python
for some reason i was thinking exsang basically made those 20s of a 28s rupture tick instantly but now i see what it actually does
basically puts all 28s into 8s of rupture or w/e
jovial kite
its great for progress imo
strange python
prio adds n such
jovial kite
nothing beats a shoulder pb tb on the add though if you get lucky
but bleed is super good on kingaroth
due to being superconsistent
and if you proc bota on the add
you do insane dmg
strange python
thats amazing. and you have it up for every add with boots right
jovial kite
yeah.. you got vanish exsang vendetta for every add
and you can vendetta exsang between addphases on boss '
exsang is great for aggramar too
slim estuary
Should I bother rup and garr on eonar? or only on obfuscator, pacifier, and destructor?
strange python
Im hoping it stays simming the best for me, its a fun playstyle that im not bored of like poison
jovial kite
from what i've seen from my own sims
exsang is better than tb at high ilvl profiles
by 100k+
i sim 2.55m with 979 ilvl
neon bluff
Holy hell
jovial kite
highest tb i've seen is 2.35m at 980 ilvl
strange python
thats busted
its just retraining muscle memory
i wish i had 1 more MA relic also
neon bluff
Are the 3 really that mandatory?
strange python
ive got 1 currently and i have to hold exsang like 6 seconds before i can combo
jovial kite
yes marin
neon bluff
FeelsBadMan
jovial kite
you dont have to hold exsang for vendetta
strange python
is it not worth it? someone told me it was
jovial kite
it lines up perfectly with 3
neon bluff
With boots?
jovial kite
yeah
amber sleet
slagg
jovial kite
i mean sure mixtaepe but in a long fight you are going to lose exsang casts
amber sleet
link ur profile
jovial kite
which is super valuable because you will lose that exsang from the execute
strange python
thats v true
jovial kite
so basically you lose 1 of your highest output cooldowns
strange python
well shit guess ill start exsanging on cd, that makes tons more sense
jovial kite
6 seconds doesnt sound like much but if you lose 1 full exsang because of those 6 seconds piling up, you'll lose alot of dmg and dps in the end
i mean
you want to exsang during vendetta
so thats the issue
with not having 3 ma
you have to sacrifice vendetta uptime for a dry exsang
or you might lose that 1 exsang from execute
strange python
welp. while i fish for them my best option is to dry exsang right?
jovial kite
in short fights no
its a bit tricky
in fights where you will most likely not lose a cast
just wait for vendetta to come online
and honestly id die inside for every dry exsang i or anyone else makes
so i probably wouldnt even play without 3 ma
you sacrifice so much and scuff your whole gameplay
strange python
back to farming m+ for relics /shudder
jovial kite
@strange python you shouldnt shudder at losing ilvl on a relic to get that ma btw
its super value
strange python
how much ilvl we talking
jovial kite
you can easily lose 20 ilvl on a relic and still gain dps
jovial kite
but always sim to be sure
strange python
yeah absolutely
jovial kite
like.. when i made the switch i dropped 45 ilvl to get that 3rd ma
strange python
is this raidbots 'best gear' thing neat or hwat btw
jovial kite
and gained 30k dps
but its case sensitive and should always be simmed
its pretty neat imo 😄
but i rarely use it
for alts maybe
strange python
i really only use it for like seeing how close different lego combos are in my gearset
jovial kite
yeah its good for that i guess
amber sleet
@jovial kite Could you link ur wow profile?
jovial kite
search for slackjack-stormreaver on armory
amber sleet
Thanks
jovial kite
eu btw
amber sleet
U going for BB trait or Malch in the crucible?
jovial kite
i currently have 2x malch 1x rupture dmg
rupture dmg is the highest simming relic for me
but i wont change all because i need to play poison or some bosses
amber sleet
Oh really?
jovial kite
yeah 3x malch 3x rupture dmg is bis
for st
but if you need to switch builds between some bosses i dont encourage you to go full rupture dmg
the difference is like 15k for me between malch and rupture dmg
amber sleet
What about that 3x MA?
amber sleet
so 3xMA + 3xmalch/Rupt?
amber sleet
kk
jovial kite
bb isnt bad at all either
it sims higher for lower crit profiles
but i have 48% crit
so bb loses value
as its basically crit but only worse
amber sleet
I currently got 40% crit with bleed set on
jovial kite
thats decent
i think bb could be better for you than malch or rupture dmg
sim to be sure :3
amber sleet
Probably not gonna switch to bleed anyways, but got curious when u said higher ilvl profiles might get more value out of it
Im at 978ilvl
jovial kite
tb scales really bad
compared to exsang or even alacrity
at the end of expansion i suspect exsang will be the highest simming build
thats what my own sims are implying anyways
jovial kite
nice
strange python
what fights are you playing poison on slagg
jovial kite
i dont want to affect your decisions but with that gear id go exsang 😉
basically only full aoe fights
exsang is better on st and 2-3 target cleave
but loses on full blown aoe
strange python
aye. so like eonar /pk if you're staying down?
jovial kite
eonar and high command pretty much
gaunt moat
Well, on Eonar even if you're poison, as sin if you're trying to AoE you're doing it wrong.
jovial kite
i mean i still wouldnt progress the boss as exsang
spare cloud
kjbw and marked for death 🤔
jovial kite
y u no dfa
midnight latch
parsing on eonar 🤦
jovial kite
🤔
midnight latch
kill boss move on
jovial kite
failing that hard on eonar
brisk forge
Eww Eonar... Shit boss, sleeping thru it and be rdy for Imonar xD
brisk forge
Got Lucky to get 975 on first kill so i try to sit for others as often as i can 😜
jovial kite
am jellly
brisk forge
With leech on it aswell 😜😎
jovial kite
fast nacelle
jovial kite
zealous dew
valentine spent on eonar ?
patent rose
Is insignia of ravenholdt better then insignia of the grand army?
zealous dew
doesn't sound cool at all
jovial kite
not raiding on holidays
if theres a scheduled raid theres a scheduled raid 🤷🏿
only time i've been away from a raid
is if i had a flight on the same day and i couldnt literally come online
went to spain for 2 weeks for vacation still went to raids
zealous dew
i'd rather "try to get laid" then raid but hey 😃
jovial kite
its not like raiding and getting laid are mutually exclusive
- valentines atleast here in finland is a day to spend with ur so
zealous dew
well eonar on 14th begs to differ
jovial kite
not go out for pussy
zealous dew
take her out to dinner, go somewhere nice
fast nacelle
saving azeroth > getting laid 🤔
zealous dew
Just came back from 5 days vacation felt so good not having to log and raid this garbage tier
jovial kite
only reason to play this game is to raid
zealous dew
i beg to differ, is to M+
fast nacelle
i just want to impress egirls with wow progress #1 sim thats why im playing wow
zealous dew
lol wowprogress sim
fast nacelle
dont be jelly
jovial kite
let me be your manager
fast nacelle
yes baby
quick talon
@placid egret ayyyyy
kindred cedar
Just got the legendary shoulders - Should i cast vanish -> envenoms through the fight now or should i still cast vanish -> ruptures?
zealous dew
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
unique minnow
Vanish ruptures is correct i think
i think dont quote me on this
but i think nightstalker buffs the rupture
kindred cedar
yeah i read that guide, can't find an answer to my specific question in there.
unique minnow
im pretty sure though
kindred cedar
nvm, found it actually
my bad
what im if specced subterfuge then? for multi target encounters?
turbid harbor
use vanish envenom in the vast majority of cases with shoulders
unique minnow
wow im dumb ive been doing two things wrong
i usually put kb before tb
and i vanish rupture
turbid harbor
subterfuge and shoulders don't work as well together, but subterfuge is usually the better talent without shoulders even on 1 target
kindred cedar
ah i see, thanks.
but vanish ruptures then with shoulders and nightstalker, right?
turbid harbor
only very rarely would you want to vanish rupture with shoulders
unique minnow
it was just a habit of mines
turbid harbor
like if you aren't aligning the vanish with tb for whatever reason and you're in execute range for bracers
turbid harbor
it's much easier to just vanish envenom all the time
you also need pandemic to line up nicely to vanish rupture
what guide says vanish rupture?
kindred cedar
• Use Vanish to apply rupture as often as possible if specced Nightstalker.
ravenholdt guide
unique minnow
non it was jus something i did
steep obsidian
vanish rupture without shoulders
with shoulders always nv
isnt that what it says?
kindred cedar
so i should ignore guide then and vanish envenom?
unique minnow
bc at that point you are applying it twice
turbid harbor
• If you have Mantle of the Master assassin then you would cast Envenom instead of rupture.
kindred cedar
oooooooooooh
unique minnow
for no reason except the buff
kindred cedar
nvm,
turbid harbor
also in ravenholdt guide
turbid harbor
yea that's potentially a little misleading
steep obsidian
common sense is that you want to fit all the damage into your crit window with shoulders
unique minnow
this has been very helpful conversation
steep obsidian
rupture doesnt do that
kindred cedar
ah i see, how do you do your opener with nightstalker and shoulders?
unique minnow
what about tb in vanish after envenom
turbid harbor
you want to tb before you vanish
and just envenom mut envenom mut envenom in mantle window
@kindred cedar the openers are all in the guide
unique minnow
garrote - mutil - rupture - tb - kb - mutil - vanish - envenom
so you can get that beautiful 5-6 combo point envemon on the mantle buff
unique minnow
its justkinda a failsafe incase they dont proc
shrewd oriole
What rabbit described is correct
turbid harbor
?
shrewd oriole
Garrote muti rupture gets your bleeds going
unique minnow
bc sometimes they only give one each
shrewd oriole
Then you TB KB vanish envenom
turbid harbor
or do you need glasses
tacit wing
he said tb - kb - mutil - vanish - envenom
warm parcel
he just misread
shrewd oriole
Oh
tacit wing
no need for the mutilate
unique minnow
i just do it so if it doesnt crit
shrewd oriole
Doesn’t answer my question, those are still within the initial mantle window
turbid harbor
it won't give you crit cps if you get partial blocked or parried from attacking in front of the boss
but just attack from behind and you're fine
unique minnow
gotcha
turbid harbor
only minor problem would be vari with tanks like in my guild
unique minnow
do you do the middle of the room thing
turbid harbor
i always sneak behind boss away from group stack 😄
unique minnow
ah
turbid harbor
nah we 3
shrewd oriole
I legit don’t know
shrewd oriole
Me neither lol
turbid harbor
and then 3rd tank takes all necrotic stuff
unique minnow
in heroic i dont think its possilble
shrewd oriole
To do what?
unique minnow
2 tank it
it would be really hard to deal with all the shit
but then again im not a tank
turbid harbor
im talking about mythic when people 3 tank
pretty sure everybody 2 tanks on heroic
shrewd oriole
Don’t think I’ve ever 3 tanked heroic vari lol
You only need 3 cuz of the mythic mechanic
unique minnow
i guess its just pugs
bc sadly my guild has only gotten pass hc kin
and i havent raid with them in like a month
turbid harbor
one of my friend's guilds world rank 1500ish 3 tanked every boss until antorus this expansion
so if one of the tanks died
shrewd oriole
turbid harbor
they had a backup 😄
shrewd oriole
1500 strats
unique minnow
i already got my aoc
aotc
but my guild just dont have enough people on willing to help
jovial kite
turbid harbor
that's why i was so surprised
they get cutting edge most tiers
and they 3 tank everything
obviously being good and bad is relative
jovial kite
for me being good is rate of progress for the time invested
dire spoke
we're doing decent Progress, but mostly to stupid to reclear within a day
3d/w
That is where WE fall back
zealous dew
extend
calm grail
Slagg change your avatar back to your RL picture, I miss that goofy neckbeard.
jovial kite
its not a neckbeard
spare narwhal
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
jovial kite
its a full grown man beard
object of adoration and envy by beta males
and moisturizer of pussay
jovial kite
calm grail
🤔
It sounds like a solid routine then.
How's the foreplay go? Do you show them your parses and achievements?
calm grail
"Hey baby these are normally private, but I'm going to do you a solid."
Before you explain to them that you play exsanguinate instead of sticking to the Normie meta you have to put on a raincoat.
jovial kite
no, thats when i pull out the kayak
calm grail
Real talk for a second, do you think the Mastery change next expansion will make exsanguinate just as viable?
I mean, assuming all things equal.
calm grail
Yeah, I know it's early, I just meant feeely
jovial kite
if no big changes
we are still locked with crit
so its probably going to be some mix between crit mastery and haste
calm grail
I just like the idea of having your damage sources more balanced.
jovial kite
current build has exsang at 100% so its a baseline nerf if it sticks
might need a haste breakpoint to make it work
then just dump everything excess in crit and mastery
like.. it can be impossible to make it viable
if we need to have 3 stats high
but well see
jovial kite
If ur wiping to intermission, save cds for adds
Try boots nevertheless
I get everything up for intermission with 3 ma and boots
Like.. i can do 2 vendettas before intermission and get it up for adds
Depends on ur raid dps also
warm parcel
🤔
jovial kite
boots bracer are good on aggramar by design too
strange python
Hey guys n gals, I've been trying to find a proper rogue community for past couple of days. Now, i came back to the game recently and started raiding, and had some time today to check my logs. Apparently im below average which is killing me right now, any chance you can tell me what the hell I'm doing wrong. I want to improve so fire away. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/draenor/taoshi#
warm parcel
You start by reading the guide
warm parcel
colours
shrewd oriole
Men can’t tell colors
Is Jose a woman confirmed?
My grandma died
Gotta travel up north and shit
For funeral arrangements
Yeah
Sucks mostly for my mom, I hardly knew her
Great grandma* sorry
keen inlet
shrewd oriole
Jose please take this kind of convo to general chat
keen inlet
no
keen inlet
I'm going my best impression of y'all
keen inlet
No
shrewd oriole
Also true
dire spoke
keen inlet
❤
lone junco
@Taoshi#0339 first check says your ilvl is pretty low for current mythic logs. Check your simc average and you should be +/- 5%. On st.
shrewd oriole
warm parcel
No point looking at analyzers or sims when youre out of touch with the basics of the spec
warm parcel
Same as youd start by nuclear physics when you cant read
shrewd oriole
I mean if you wanna learn nuclear physics weak, just watch rick and morty
P sure flowi watches rick and morty that’s why he’s so far superior to you and discovered the alacrity build
warm parcel
True that
shrewd oriole
@keen inlet you didn’t reply to my love 😦
keen inlet
Tom
shrewd oriole
Yes bby
keen inlet
yis
shrewd oriole
keen inlet
I'm leaving, weekends are my time off from this madness
shrewd oriole
I’m not cut for gang life dude
keen inlet
I should not be here I am a bad influence
lone junco
shrewd oriole
I’m a soy boy
keen inlet
👋🏿
lone junco
nice fro tom. I bet you can floof it pretty big.
jovial kite
ded chanel
shrewd oriole
ded game
silver mango
Until i get full T21, are there any relatively fast solutions to help make energy regen a little better?
lone junco
@silver mango depends on what you mean by better. Sin is really slow. You mut, you wait you env you wait. you vendetta you mut mut vanish rupture mut mut env.
4p is great but maybe your expectations are too high.
lone junco
compare to what
lone junco
it pushes cps
then dont worry.
2p20 was a huge energy gain
use 2p2p until you have 4p21
lone junco
then thats it.
silver mango
than what i remember in tos
don't judge shit dps haha
i have only been playing a day since 5 month break
lone junco
np
silver mango
trying to get caught up in friends & family heroics b4 i app to a new guild, and didn't play sin in t20
played sub t20
so im getting double whammied a little now that i switched back to sin
feels bad
lone junco
you 723 E/min
me 1207 e/min
4p was worth 238 e/min
the only way to push more E is more vendettas.
and your opener is close, but a tad off
lone junco
(it depends on crit rate and env uptime )
silver mango
the remaining 250 gap
lone junco
remaining 250 gap is prob my 3vend+boots
silver mango
gotcha
lone junco
I dont have a shoulder bracer to compare.
your cp use is reasoable
mut on 4 here. but other than that, pretty good
silver mango
meaning i'm not wasting a shit load of cps
warm geode
someone have tips ( for raid in general ) at last phase argus mythic??? tired of this boss -.-``more then 400trys (5% best yesterday) some hightlights to make me laught at least
https://clips.twitch.tv/PricklyNurturingBisonDancingBaby
lone junco
right
silver mango
ya, odd
hopefully it will improve w/ the 2pc 21 then
my energy regen is brutal
haha
silver mango
btw, mind saying how you cn look at e/.min
lone junco
i took the timeline Total E gain / 2:56 (56/60+2)
lone junco
I didnt count the waste, cause thats not what you wanted
rupture/garrote is fine. 97+
opener needs adjustment. 5cp into vanish Env. not vanish mut
silver mango
gotcha
lone junco
this kb is fine.
this is limp
you TB at low E, at an orgy with no boner.
just stood there.
lone junco
TB on cd, but before , you drop Env uptime some to pool up to like 60+.
goal is 2-3 Env during that TB
same happened here.
If TB and KB are up together, put the tb before the KB. and you dropped env buff for a significant portion of the KB
silver mango
okay, makes sense - def need to be more aware of that
lone junco
there are a few goals.
100% uptime on env during kb
2-3 env during TB
97%+ on bleeds
silver mango
so TB on CD, BUT w/ 60 + energy?
lone junco
and solid shoulders.
this is your bracer vanish.
going into it that env is wasted. if you rupture prior you could nail off 3 TB env during that shoulder
and in this case TB right before the vanish.
Vendetta can stay put, just delay the Vanish until everything is set up.
silver mango
gotcha
have to make sure to reapply fresh bleeds and TB first
then vanish, spam env
opaque mural
or you can rupture refresh for dem sweet nighstLker ticks
lone junco
you are playing a huge gamble spec, and that vanish shoulder at open and bracer is your money. take care of them
do not vanish rupture with shoulders.
silver mango
ty
lone junco
mostly your ilvl is low. the rest is all fairly close.
look, at that last vanish,
it is your last vendetta, last vanish. you can delay them as needed to align.
silver mango
okay, will do ty
lone junco
Use a TTD (time to death) tracker
recognize when you are T <2min, and <30%, and < vendetta timing.
that would be vanish, bracer, and last vendetta. If you are in those regions. its fine to delay anything to line it up with something.
gl
silver mango
ty
calm grail
Somehow I got the god pull on baby mode Worldbreaker last night.
Didn't even have a weird percentage of poison bombs.
vernal adder
sometimes stuff just comes together
jovial kite
@shrewd oriole m tomb now
warm parcel
You mean my shoulders?
shrewd oriole
@jovial kite can’t come, im at a funeral kinda
I’m organizing one at least
Another time, six
Soz*
stark tinsel
what's the best thing to use for a time to death tracker?
calm grail
Couple WAs out there.
stark tinsel
any idea what i would need to search for on Wago? had a look but they don't seem immediately obvious
found one called time to fie, will give it a shot
uneven topaz
anyone can help with a bis gear list ? still learning rogue
rain pewter
fuckers
strange python
i just got the cloak is that and wrists good?
calm grail
Good rule of thing would be "is there haste on it?" If it's not the legendary shoulders or wrists and you said yes, delete it.
open karma
Hey guys, what legendarys are best for Mythic+?
shrewd oriole
No it isn’t graham
Cloaks trash
Rubz shoulders and wrists
Same for p much any other situation if you are playing poison
shrewd oriole
No
strange python
so i shud stick to prydaz and wrists
shrewd oriole
Bleed is bad on aoe