assassination

[dire spoke]

shitty impression on his english I know

[wanton bough]

Im bad at english, i know it ;(

[dire spoke]

you will not find a good source then, best stuff is english most of the time

[wanton bough]

Nah, already found the Infex channel. Thanks a lot!

[dire spoke]

@safe matrix open ittttt

[safe matrix]

I'm still in raid

doing mistress

for that tier chest

[warm geode]

@sacred citrus i have exacly the same stats on the relic, iron MA/Malch/shocklight and 975

[spiral kernel]

Any people who play insignia + boots here? Got some questions regarding opener/vanish usage

[ripe crow]

quick question, can we blind ads on parjesh fight? (1st boss EOA)

[fervent beacon]

Yes

[ripe crow]

ty

[indigo epoch]

best assasination legos for M+ content?

cant find a spot for M+ in guide

[plain thistle]

shoulder+bracer

[indigo epoch]

not cloak? lame.

[spiral kernel]

fok? hell nah

:p

[indigo epoch]

haha ok thanks m8s

[fervent beacon]

Hey, I managed to beat the main sin rogue with this meme alacrity build

👌

[opaque mural]

please moar info

[spiral kernel]

maybe thats why you're benched 🤔

[opaque mural]

maybe benched is another word for not good at pb during execute

🤔

[fast nacelle]

i just noticed my mantle bracer gear

has 16% avoidance and 11% speed

dwarf from above

maybe

[spiral kernel]

lol

[dire spoke]

better delete 👀

[dire spoke]

[civic palm]

_> "

[dire spoke]

NANI

[supple hearth]

RIP burst of speed

[civic palm]

Yeah but...

seriously.

[keen inlet]

I get why they removed it

but I wish they hadn't

[civic palm]

We did get something similar in the PVP talents but not as buuuuusted.

[supple hearth]

no

nothing is comparable to burst of speed

[dire spoke]

just saw the Zandalari Druid Forms

LUL

[keen inlet]

JURASSIC PARK

[dire spoke]

take 4 creatures

now kiss

[midnight latch]

👀

[dire spoke]

@midnight latch lookie https://clips.twitch.tv/SeductiveNiceChimpanzeeKAPOW

[lost mist]

idk if im doing something bad,but imonar fight dont let me use tb and vendetta as wowanalyzer says:
WL: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nHBaMVFdArmDXx37/#fight=27&type=damage-done
WA: https://wowanalyzer.com/report/nHBaMVFdArmDXx37/27-Mythic+Imonar+the+Soulhunter+-+Kill+(7:01)/9-Bugidios

[fiery nest]

wat

[midnight latch]

gratz

[dusty quest]

I have a sin CD question about Vendetta and Toxic blade

According to the guide you want to only delay TB for 5 seconds to line it up with KB; does this mean if KB has 5 seconds on CD hold TB, or if they come off CD, hold TB for the last 8 seconds of KB dot?

Also how long do you want to hold KB/TB for Vendetta?

[dawn kettle]

i hold tb/kb for up to like 7 or 8s for vendetta, any longer than that, youre probably better off just using it

if your tb and kb are coming up at the same time outside of vendetta save tb for the last 9, if tb comes up first, use it asap outside of vendetta

[plain thistle]

its better to use everything on CD, they will align with the 3-5-7.... vendetta cast

[safe matrix]

Well if you have two MAss relics things get out of line

[dawn kettle]

back in nighthold i used to have vendetta come up before KB would, so you would have a window where vendetta would be up and kb would still be on cd but you'd still get the full benefit of them both

i miss those days

[dusty quest]

I just have the one

How long should you hold Vendetta? never at all?

[dawn kettle]

never if you'll have 100% uptime on the target for the duration

[plain thistle]

Im using 2 MA, and they dont get that fucked

they still align perfectly

[dawn kettle]

i have 1 and it's really fucky sometimes

[plain thistle]

2MA is more of a problem for shoulder user

since im not, its not a big deal

[dawn kettle]

oh mother fuck that might be why

i was trying boots wrists on coven and it fucked with my vendetta timings so much

kb would be up a solid 15s before vendetta would be

im just like

how the fuck do i play this class

[plain thistle]

thats from my best mythic coven log : https://imgur.com/a/niRpc

they align really well

[dawn kettle]

yeah, 1 MAss and boots can be really really weird

[dusty quest]

I got wrist shoulders

[dawn kettle]

it's been so long since ive played without shoulders, it's hard to get used to not vanishing for envenom damage

[dusty quest]

So say TB comes off CD, and there's 3-5 seconds for Kingsblade to come offf... just cast TB and then KB when they are off CD?

[plain thistle]

some ppl will tell you to hold TB couple seconds for KB

others will they you TB on CD

[dawn kettle]

i use my tb instantly unless kb comes off at the exact same time, or i'm in vendetta window

[plain thistle]

if you want to follow sims, TB on CD is better (not by much)

[dusty quest]

What are you guys parsing at?

[dawn kettle]

in vendetta i always hold tb for last 9, and if they come off at the exact same time i hold for the last 9, but it's off cd every other time

[plain thistle]

99%-100%, usually

97%+ with bad poison bomb

[dusty quest]

And what are you doing Jhon? using on CD and not thinking about trying to line them up at all?

[plain thistle]

but I know ppl with amazing parses that delay TB for Kb

I use everything on CD

since I dont play with shoulder, I even vanish on cd do refresh garrote

[dusty quest]

you play with 2 piece of 20?

[plain thistle]

yes

[dawn kettle]

are they decently forged?

[plain thistle]

shoulder 930 +socket and gloves 955

[dusty quest]

I have a 930 helm and 935 chest, but no tier 21 gloves so can't sim

Do you run poison or senguine?

I assume poison cuz of what wer'e talking about

[plain thistle]

yes, poison

[dusty quest]

Alright. I really want to do better than my 50-80% parses I'm doing... but I was pulling lower parses as Sub so

[primal marsh]

Hey guys, do you use TB on CD or do you pool before TB?

[fiery nest]

tfw u beat your 95% sub parse with a 60% assass parse

[dawn kettle]

i wish i had some better t20 pieces for coven

[plain thistle]

you pool for TB, and TB on cd

you want both

[primal marsh]

but for example tb is ready, but i wait 3 sec more for energy pooling. is that ok?

[plain thistle]

no, pool before TB comes out of CD

so you can TB on CD with energy

[primal marsh]

ok ty

[dusty quest]

Should I follow the ravenholdt opener guide? or hold TB for 9 seconds on KB in opener?

[dawn kettle]

i really need to lose some versatility, jesus.

i'm at 20%

[dusty quest]

Wait.. how much energy should you pool for TB?

[fiery nest]

wat no, follow the opener

[plain thistle]

there is not a specific number you want, you just want enough energy to use at least 3 evenoms during TB buff

sometimes you get butt fucked and can only fit 2, not the end of the world

[primal marsh]

for me 150 energy works well without gettine energy capped before tb

[dusty quest]

oh wow, so you guys don't get much envenoms off outside of KB / TB windows?

I'm basically energy starving myself all the time I thin

[primal marsh]

sure i get a lot of envenims off outside of tb

[dawn kettle]

i had a 75% uptime on my varimathras kill

[primal marsh]

but be sure not to overlap your envenom buff before it almost expires

I try to envemom at 0,1 sec left

[dusty quest]

Then I don't understand how you guys would pool 150 energy for TB?

[primal marsh]

I pool that amount, dont know what others do

[dusty quest]

...wait... do I not cast Envenom if the buff is already up?

[primal marsh]

you cast envenom during buff

[dawn kettle]

the only time you dont care about envenom buff is during vanish if you have shoulders

[dusty quest]

But like... is there such a thing as over casting envenom?

[fervent beacon]

You don't spam it, you use it as filler

[primal marsh]

the only thing I am not sure about is, if I use envenon also before surge of toxin expires

[dawn kettle]

ive just been clipping SoT as much as i can without energy starving myself

[indigo glacier]

you don't want to waste SoT's during KB, but other than that its mostly fine to envenom during SoT

[pastel vault]

if it's a 6target sustained fight, I just keep tab rupturing right?

like a big fortified pull

[dawn kettle]

put it on 2 or 3 then spam envenoms

[safe matrix]

Depends how long shit lives too

[pastel vault]

only envenom a target with rupture on it? or doesnt matter

[fervent beacon]

That's outlaw spec

🤔

[pliant yacht]

Is this alacrity meme reallll

Shhh

[dawn kettle]

youre right

[pliant yacht]

Once again

[dawn kettle]

youre a meme

[pliant yacht]

Is this realllll

Sims like shit for me

[dawn kettle]

idk

just sounded like the appropriate response

[safe matrix]

Tisumi isn't a meme

Because memes are funny

xd

[dawn kettle]

xd

[safe matrix]

u heard me

[pliant yacht]

Prob true mate

All mastery and crit

Nothing else

207/27

[steep obsidian]

does it get stronger in mutli target? i havent simmed my gear other then pure st with alac

and it a little bit behind there

i guess i should just do tha

[primal marsh]

Do you guys macro vendetta and toxic blade?

[dusty quest]

Alright boys, I think that's really helped - Thanks for all the advise! I will be holding spending combo points between things just to keep SOT up, and not to starve my energy

[prime void]

Well bois. I finally got a new pc

My cpu was on its last leg.

It throttled alot

I had a 3570m

3570k*

[dusty quest]

If I'm simming 160k dps less on Outlaw, but it's much easier to play/harder to fuck up.... should I just go outlaw?

Higher dmg as sin, for sure hah

Just ilvl parse higher as outlaw ;P

[slim estuary]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[prime void]

Yeah I got a 6700k and 2x 980tis

[safe matrix]

tis the season

[pseudo parcel]

whats ur opening with nightstalker guys?

a nice opnening plis :3

[feral flare]

How do you change your rotation in reaction to trinket procs? Something thats been on my mind for awhile is installing WeakAuras to track it, but im wondering how that could help if its random.

[signal ice]

You don't change your rotation. You just dps and pray it procs during good times for ypu. Welcome to legion dps.

[pseudo parcel]

lul

dont understnd

if u know a good opener for nightstalker, plist post ;3

[feral flare]

So is WA really worth it? Ive been using SliceAdmiral all this time to track all I need for my rotation and its worked out. However im getting into mythic raiding and im wondering if WA might help with some more niche mechanics.

As well as do what SA does so I can get rid of it.

[drifting cosmos]

🤔 wait so you dont use wa?

[civic palm]

So the thing about WeakAuras is that it has the potential to just replace most of your other addons.

Don't like how SliceAdmiral shows that one thing you can't stand? Just make your own ripoff of SA in WA.

ezpz

[fringe mist]

whats best race for sin?

[zealous dew]

BE

by far

superfar

megafar

[jovial kite]

sure for horde

[steep obsidian]

bring back old troll racial and have all beast bosses like tot imo

[dense scarab]

ok so this has been doing my head in. sometimes when i vanish to reapply the rupture buff with nightstalker it wont buff im behind the target and also have more than 60 energy why is this happening??

[stone sandal]

Can you exclude auto attack?

[dense scarab]

should'nt vanish stop auto attacking?

[drifting cosmos]

you need to make a macro to make it stop

[stone sandal]

You dont need a macro to make it stop

But

If you vanish and spam rupture right away, it can sometimes happen that you keep attacking
Wich then triggers an AA
Well, sometimes you could just have a serverlag, wich made nightstalker procc by ur AA

But in most cases your Nighstalker should get triggered by Rupture if you vanish

[steep obsidian]

wouldnt the aa only happen if you are energy starved so you couldnt rupture/envenom?

but that shouldnt happen unless you screw up

[quick ice]

Or GCD locked maybe

But same again

[dense scarab]

soit is better to wait 1-2 sec before recasting rupture after vanish?

[steep obsidian]

that sounds like a terrible idea

[paper elbow]

Hey guys, does anything change for us talent wise for m+? Or is it mainly playstyle and preference?

[cinder field]

🤔

[jovial kite]

what the fuck

inb4 🔨

[warm sky]

Yeah but if you open that at work it doesnt matter if its fake or not 😄

[jovial kite]

thats a ban

[dusk jetty]

Does anyone have all of the assassin weakauras from the pin in one group they could send me?

[zealous dew]

i smell lazyness

[young flame]

Poison > Bleed, right?

[dusk jetty]

Not wanting to have to download eleven separate weak aura groups, and then combine them into one group which will reset their positioning is hardly laziness. It's going to take me a long time to fix all of that into one group, which surely someone has already done before.

[zealous dew]

23 days out of 28

[warm parcel]

you cant even combine them

cause theyre not all similar auras

[dusk jetty]

I guess I'll have to use a different suite then. Having 11 groups for rogue is just too much for my already heavily cluttered weakaura list thanks to just about every mythic boss having a few auras for them.

Thanks for the heads up, I wasn't aware certain weakauras couldn't be grouped together 😃

[warm parcel]

you cannot combine dynamic groups fex

without destroying their unique configs

[dusk jetty]

Ah, I see.

[warm parcel]

we dont raid this reset cause of poe

😄

But I dont play poe personally

[quick talon]

@warm parcel how come ?

[warm parcel]

cba

[quick talon]

Toxic

[spare cloud]

[quick talon]

Ded chat without the Poe boys

[viscid helm]

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/im952p

[gaunt moat]

you want saber as a mod tom?

[strange python]

No

[grim jay]

I wonder what happens if he says yes

[shrewd oriole]

Nah

But saber is a good meme

[strange python]

DFA for m+?

[viscid helm]

no

[strange python]

🤔 seems pretty good on trash as sub

[viscid helm]

last time i checked

this isnt sub channel

[strange python]

We got the same talent on that spot tho

[brisk forge]

But not the same dmg with DfA

So the talent per sej dosent matter

[viscid helm]

Sin has nothing to buff DFA

[strange python]

true I meant the initial damage of the swirl to be exact

its shit btw

just tried in a mos 15

[jovial kite]

who wouldve thought

it would've been used if it was viable

[patent topaz]

Wanna come to maw 19? It will be quick. 3 wipes on 2nd boss later

[shrewd oriole]

[cedar gust]

guys i need some help

on crucible weight my new 975 blood relic is 100.57 and my current one is 103.07

i tried simming as well and i got this :

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hb8EwbWkCEHvPPP7yNea1e

what should i do ?:s

[fast nacelle]

follow your heart

[void gazelle]

Hey guys! Can you help me find the mistakes i made and improve my dps? Here is my latest log. (I'am Chopy) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fCPmnt3JyjMk7aTX/#fight=10&type=damage-done

[cedar gust]

@fast nacelle thanks for being extremely helpful

[spare cloud]

I agree

@void gazelle What is your opener

[fast nacelle]

thx - i always try to be helpful

crucible weights are preset and not adjusted for your gear so if you sim it you obviously get the better results

[quick talon]

[spare cloud]

@void gazelle you should read the guide for the proper rotation

[fast nacelle]

pretty obvious

[vernal adder]

nice finally got 7/7 and 7/7 mass and alch

[shrewd oriole]

date today

[keen inlet]

Siezure warning

Dateniiiiight

[jovial kite]

Better update

👺

[keen inlet]

[jovial kite]

staph. I can only handle so much cancer

[keen inlet]

I would ban you

For implying dogs are cancer

[vernal adder]

Tom is it the same rogue?

[jovial kite]

[shrewd oriole]

Ye

[jovial kite]

Your bar mitzhva when?

[shrewd oriole]

Same girl from last week

Tom the vegan Jew btw

[jovial kite]

Tom the meinkampf is a good book jew btw

[shrewd oriole]

Dude

It’s a great book

[vernal adder]

it teaches you how to shower

[jovial kite]

Does ur gf think so too

[shrewd oriole]

I’m not saying I agree with it but it’s a great book

It shaped generations

[gaunt moat]

what the fuck is wrong with you

[shrewd oriole]

Like the Bible or das kapital

[jovial kite]

shaped

Geneations

[crystal fox]

y'all motherfuckers need jesus

[jovial kite]

^

[vernal adder]

[jovial kite]

Tom needs a nazi gf

[shrewd oriole]

Wat

Lmao

[jovial kite]

🤷

Your very own anne frank

[shrewd oriole]

Stahp

Lmao

Reading the book doesn’t make you a Nazi lover

[jovial kite]

inb4 notter uses his secret jew ether communication mindreading abilities to tell toms gf he symphatises with mein kampf

[vale marsh]

Why is mantle the best for sin and how can I utilize it best? I feel like the only stealth opportunities are vanish and out of combat inbetween pulls.

[crystal fox]

it's not the "best"

[gaunt moat]

what a loaded question :x

[crystal fox]

only bracers are bis, second lego is all about your stats

https://i.imgflip.com/246qyt.jpg

[shrewd oriole]

Shoulders bracers are bis for logs

: )

[vernal adder]

How do I swim myself?

[calm grail]

Hey guys what's the best spek no for BFaye?

I want to do

[shrewd oriole]

Dfa assa rogue

[calm grail]

Good damages

[shrewd oriole]

Bis in bfa

[vale marsh]

Well I have the bracers but I feel like the boots would be an overall do increase but sim tells me otherwise

[shrewd oriole]

What are you trying to say?

[vernal adder]

He is saying your date doesnt sim

[calm grail]

He's trying to say he doesn't trust the Sims and thinks that the boots are better than the bracers.

[shrewd oriole]

100% crit is really good, even if for a short window

When you’re lining it up with your other cool downs

[calm grail]

Have you ever seen a poison bomb crit sub 30% Covach?

You will literally die

[shrewd oriole]

P much

Not to mention that bracers shoulders have te highest high roll potential

[serene girder]

Is ass the best for dungeons aswell?

[shrewd oriole]

Hence why they are bis for logs

[vale marsh]

So stack CDs vanish and envenom or rupture based on gear?

[shrewd oriole]

No, sub is @serene girder

[serene girder]

Just boosted a rouge to 110

okey

thanks

[shrewd oriole]

@vale marsh read the guide

[vernal adder]

I've been sin for everything, idc

[vale marsh]

I have

[calm grail]

Let's be real though, nobody has fun playing Sub.

[shrewd oriole]

You sure?

Sounds like you didn’t

I like sub on aoe

[calm grail]

You want to hear something wacky?

People actually buy 15 carries on my server.

[vernal adder]

wat

[shrewd oriole]

On every server lol

[crystal fox]

every server niralath

[vernal adder]

well if you are low ilvl it makes kinda sense

[calm grail]

I still got to run assassination and three chest them still with the carry sitting back.

[shrewd oriole]

Sell boosts for 100k a pop every Tuesday

[calm grail]

I guess that's why I don't run subtlety, I can do what I want and don't have to change gear sets.

[crystal fox]

🤔

[calm grail]

🤔

[vernal adder]

🤔

[calm grail]

YOU Calling me a liar!

[vernal adder]

Everybody here are liars, we are lfr heroes

[shrewd oriole]

You can do whatever you want in 15’s

You can literally 2 man then

[calm grail]

Exactly.

And make money

[shrewd oriole]

Sub is still here

Better*

[calm grail]

Of course it is.

I just let my WW friend do the heavy lifting.

He's 975

[vernal adder]

that helps

that monk and lock/mage

[shrewd oriole]

Paid to get carried

🤔

[jovial kite]

I sell for 310k

2x each run

[calm grail]

Still though, if we do it at the right time, we sell the run for 130k, can knock out about 4 an hour.

[jovial kite]

why do you sell so low you filthy undercutter

[calm grail]

Not bad gold. About 120k an hour.

[jovial kite]

git gud

[calm grail]

People on my realm are poor.

[jovial kite]

3 man boost

[crystal fox]

310k for a +15? wow, that's more than double my servers price

[jovial kite]

yes

[calm grail]

Same.

[jovial kite]

And we have ppl lining up each week in bnet

[vernal adder]

dont know what boosts go for, I use that addon

that filters sells out

[calm grail]

EU fucks are gold farmers though.

That's what happens when you have 6 months of vacation time of year

A year*

[jovial kite]

its good to have done 200x hc archi boost and countless cm boosts in wod

Youre known for being reliable

[calm grail]

We just the way I look at it, ask for a higher price and sell nothing or give these fellows a trip to valuetown.

Everything has still been 3 chested so they don't complain.

[jovial kite]

the way i see it

You do 5x the effort for 5x less value

🤷

[calm grail]

EU gols economy is wayyy better than most NA servers.

You nerds go way harder.

Gold*

[jovial kite]

We pretty much make 1.8m an hour

[vernal adder]

how much gold you got now slagg?

[jovial kite]

On stormreaver, 3.5m

+15m on random realms

[vernal adder]

nice

think I have like 9m on all toons total

and thats like 2-3

[shrewd oriole]

Slagg

[jovial kite]

i buy gametime, transfers and 110 boosts pretty often

[shrewd oriole]

What day was tos again

[jovial kite]

Tomorrow

[shrewd oriole]

Ok

[keen inlet]

I'm approaching 1mil. Never done anything specific or intentional to farm it though.

And i played for a year on nothing but wow tokens

[vernal adder]

wow economy is silly

[calm grail]

You're NA though Don. You don't take half the month off to play video games.

[jovial kite]

I think i have subscription for the nrxt 2 years solely from gold

[keen inlet]

Also true Nira.

[crystal fox]

i remember when NA was crying about 75k gold tokens while eu was at 200k

[keen inlet]

NA, more like wageslave life

[vernal adder]

I think americans overwork, work smarter not harder

[jovial kite]

^

[keen inlet]

"Everything for the Shareholder"

[jovial kite]

Just like sellingn boosts

[vernal adder]

[calm grail]

You act like there's a choice.

[jovial kite]

there is

[calm grail]

I'm talking about working

[jovial kite]

Say no to 100k

oh

[keen inlet]

There isn't.

[jovial kite]

i mean.. its modern day slave labour

[calm grail]

What do you have one of the world's strongest economy, but when illness can bankrupt you, you have to work and save constantly. 🤔

[jovial kite]

sucks to be

[calm grail]

[keen inlet]

Rl economy here is based on birth and luck.

Anybody who tells you otherwise is being a troll

[calm grail]

When you have*

I think it was two years ago I got about a $3,000 bill so the ER doctor could tell my wife to take Ibuprofen ultimately.

RIP

[vernal adder]

USA doesnt seem that nice to live in tbh

[jovial kite]

[calm grail]

No one said it did.

[brisk forge]

Lol, luck is always a must to be successfull but not birth tho

[jovial kite]

A familymember went into a heart surgery.. cost 0euros.. same procedure in na 100k dollars

Really makes you thonk

[vernal adder]

yea lets put more money in military

[jovial kite]

Expand dong

[calm grail]

At least we have some really cool planes right ♿

[vernal adder]

but what do I know im just a random pleb from Finland

[calm grail]

Trust me, 99% of the foreign criticisms Americans agree with.

[crystal fox]

who doesn't need a 10 million dollar attack helicopter to kill some heathens in mudhuts 🤷

[calm grail]

Have you ever seen the FLIR footage of Apache vs Mudhut?

Epic.

[jovial kite]

yes

[gaunt moat]

#off-topic will welcome this conversation

[jovial kite]

sickening

[vernal adder]

this is general /s

all the cool people hangout in this channel tbh

[jovial kite]

rip me

[vernal adder]

[calm grail]

⚰

I went to a finish Camp once here in America, had a pretty sweet meat pie I forgot what they are called.

Finnish*

[jovial kite]

Munkki? 🤔

Oh meat pie

[calm grail]

That's one cool thing about here though, tons of immigrants. You get these little culture sections scattered throughout states with a lot of immigration.

[jovial kite]

lihis ❤

[vapid moth]

I really don't get how you people make gold in this game. At this point I'm just leveling up characters for the follower income at the end of the game

[calm grail]

My dad was friends with some Finnish people.

[vernal adder]

aah lihis

[crystal fox]

https://res.cloudinary.com/hufennija/image/upload/f_auto,q_50,fl_progressive,w_1200,h_630,c_fill/32831725.jpg ?

[jovial kite]

Karelian pies

No meat though

[vernal adder]

rice

[calm grail]

In New Hampshire where I live there are a ton of Nepalese people. The most chill relaxed patient people I've ever met.

Nah, it wasn't like that.

[vernal adder]

My grandma is from karelia, man she made some really fucking good karelian pies

[calm grail]

Pasties?

[vernal adder]

ya

[calm grail]

Does that sound familiar?

[crystal fox]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SgeP3dA3hzg/UZslUPFeaQI/AAAAAAAABKs/Inpd5Uh87mg/s1600/P1060873.JPG maybe

[calm grail]

That's what I had from the Finnish people in Michigan when I live there.

[jovial kite]

levy lihis ❤

[vernal adder]

some people bash Finnish food, I kinda like it tbh

[jovial kite]

Same

[calm grail]

https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/12432/cornish-finnish-michigan-pasties/

[jovial kite]

Karelian roast is 5/5

[calm grail]

This was it, I don't know if it's a legitimate finish recipe or not, but it was tasty and made by Finnish people.

Maybe it was ethnic Cuisine from Finland with an American twist, I don't know.

[crystal fox]

all the same they just look different

[vernal adder]

same kinda dough ye

[crystal fox]

ground beef finnish pies

[jovial kite]

Yeah its lihapiirakka aka meat pies

Aka lihis

[crystal fox]

half finn but i havnt tried alot of finnish dishes yet

all i can say is stay away from memma

[jovial kite]

Memma

Mämmi btw

[vernal adder]

Juha Mieto

[jovial kite]

Torille

[void gazelle]

My opener is: Garrote>kingsbane>rupture>mut>vendetta>envenom>mut>toxic blade>mut>vanish>envenom>mut>envenom ---- so kingsbane gets the bonus from toxic blade and 100% crit at the last 5 ticks

[crystal fox]

no

no

no

[gaunt moat]

@crystal fox you can bring a man to water, but you can force him to drink XD

[midnight latch]

you can waterboard them thou

[strange python]

Mämmi is insanely disgusting

[crystal fox]

^

[pine brook]

finally got the bracers 😃

[strange python]

Ex gf was finnish and made me try it, holy shit thats 1 shitty thing to eat

[crystal fox]

tastes like old coffee grounds

🤢

@gaunt moat one could imagine people came here to learn, but i guess they just read then feelycraft 🤷

[dire spoke]

I want some fika

With naya and cinnamon rolls

[midnight latch]

👀

[dire spoke]

then we talk about our poop guilds

[midnight latch]

gonna buy some things and make homemade pizza today

[strange python]

with what on it?

[dire spoke]

alacrity and lots of cheese

[old quartz]

lmao

[strange python]

alacrity 🤢

[sudden ocean]

Dumb question, does rogue invis share the exact same mechanics as invis pots?

in terms of detection

[strange python]

no, skaggle invis is "better" than invis

in rogue invis if you run into mobs face first they can detect you

[dire spoke]

the pot brings you to another instance , invis or shroud doesn't do that

kinda

[strange python]

ye for example in m+ in a quaking week, you ll get quaking in rogue stealth, but in invis pot you wont even get quaking

[jovial kite]

Quaking doesnt break stealth though

Only if hit by another players quake

[strange python]

yeah i k quaking doesnt break stealth but in invis pot you dont even get the circle for the quaking effect

[jovial kite]

Yy

[strange python]

just a minor thing

[honest jolt]

got boots as third lego, shoulders/boots that much behind bracers?

[dire spoke]

you need to simulate that

[potent oracle]

guys what build is the best for pve and for pvp ?

i am confused

[spare cloud]

Yes

[potent oracle]

but what buiild ? xD

[viscid helm]

bleed

[vernal adder]

outlaw

[manic vigil]

Wow ded channel

[zealous dew]

like the class

[manic vigil]

Exactly

[midnight latch]

like my soul

[potent oracle]

rogue is a bad class atm ?

[zinc zephyr]

how much can i delay TB?

@potent oracle absolutely no

[potent oracle]

i am reroling , i think is to late to rerol ... but i love rogue , and i want to play it :S

[zinc zephyr]

if you love rogue it isnt late to reroll

easy to farm lego and gear

[potent oracle]

i will have problems with legendarys and ap i think

😦

[spare cloud]

I mean rogue is pretty good tbh

and you find a raidslot easily

[zinc zephyr]

i got my blood DK up to 953 with 2 good legos and my DH to 930+ in a week

[spare cloud]

because they are on high demand

[potent oracle]

oh! thats nice

and for gear / legendarys , should i try to farm all raids and mythics , and for gear ... argus ?

[zinc zephyr]

argus is great for gearing up

880 from boa tokens then 910 from argunite is great

and invasion points have higher chance to drop legos

amirite?

8/10 invasions i see a lego drop for somebody

[potent oracle]

nice , lets start the rerol then

😃

ty guys

[static acorn]

Would there be a situation where your best relics (because of crucible traits/bonus traits/ilvl) are poison knives, and you're better off using FoK as a generator because of how many poison knives you have?

on ST ofc

[shrewd night]

No.

[dire spoke]

👀

[manic vigil]

Rogue very good

Nice delusions

You also love Jesus right

Guess what... There's no God and rogue sucks

Sorry

[potent oracle]

wtf

[manic vigil]

🤷

[dire spoke]

don't listen to this green parser

[manic vigil]

[dire spoke]

[manic vigil]

Okay fair enough. One of the two things I said is Not true

Getting flamed by a clicker btw

[patent topaz]

clicker in 2k18, surely you jest

[midnight latch]

a jester

good

[manic vigil]

It's true. And he's still good

That's the mind blowing part

[patent topaz]

can be good

but would be better with keybindings

[manic vigil]

Agreed

[dire spoke]

WAS JUNGE

[manic vigil]

[zinc zephyr]

how much can i delay toxic blade? (to press it at 9sec KB)

[manic vigil]

I wouldn't

Maybe a couple seconds

[shrewd oriole]

Ex posted this on her Instagram story

Good riddance

Image isn’t posting

For some reason 😦

But it’s a rick and morty drinking game

[manic vigil]

[spare cloud]

Rogue is better than the average class.

[manic vigil]

What is the average class

I don't have it leveled yet

[spare cloud]

Survival hunter

[manic vigil]

You, sir, are a madman

[spare cloud]

I mean rogue is above average so its pretty good

could be worse

[manic vigil]

[spare cloud]

image you played dh or unholy dk

[shrewd oriole]

Dh is good tho lol

[manic vigil]

I like unholy

Rip

[spare cloud]

Well its not bad but its aids to play

I'm also half joking

[shrewd oriole]

I like the current build

I know aha

[manic vigil]

Above average regarding what tho

[shrewd oriole]

Dick size

: ^ )

[manic vigil]

"Above average fun"? Nice logic Mr mathematician

[spare cloud]

Average dick size of player

[shrewd oriole]

Date in an hour and half

Who’s poggers

[manic vigil]

[shrewd oriole]

🎬

[manic vigil]

You gonna get some

Have I mentioned my glowing hatred for the mobile client

[shrewd oriole]

No but I hate it too

[spare cloud]

Have I mentioned that I don't think rogue is bad

[shrewd oriole]

Been uploading an image for ages

[manic vigil]

I actually agree toph

But how boring is harmony right

[shrewd oriole]

If I thought rogue was bad why would I play it

[manic vigil]

So fuck you

[spare cloud]

Oh wait thats me

[shrewd oriole]

Why would I main warrior

I’m not gay.

[manic vigil]

Execute

[shrewd oriole]

Jk warrior is dope

[zealous dew]

he was prob playing surv hunter so they asked him to play rogue

[shrewd oriole]

Wh would they ask a warr to go rogue

Warr is as good as rogue if not better lol

Oh it sent nice

10 minutes later

[spare cloud]

I mean rogue makes for easier clears tbh

[shrewd oriole]

Farm btw

[spare cloud]

Yeah I haven't seen argus yet

[shrewd oriole]

Rerolling for farm btw

[zealous dew]

better not to play portal keeper then

[spare cloud]

I came back when they were on argus progress

sooooo

[shrewd oriole]

Farm matters btw

🤔

[manic vigil]

leeching

[shrewd oriole]

Boosted

At least you weren’t kicked right after argus

[manic vigil]

Like Nelbur

[shrewd oriole]

Like someone we know...

[manic vigil]

[shrewd oriole]

Nelbur is ultra giga b00sted sn1tch

[manic vigil]

Awwe

That clip is so mean

Immediately felt bad for him tbh

[vapid moth]

question

why dont we get like a 1 sec immunity after brez

this chat always gets quiet as hell right after i say something

[shrewd oriole]

Coincidence?

I think not.

Casually mention I got ran over for them pity points

[gritty anchor]

!races

[zealous dew]

are we at Oprah ?

wtf is this garbage

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

[vapid moth]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[vapid moth]

go check the races through there @gritty anchor

[spare cloud]

I suck at league

but some people are just plain stupid

[potent oracle]

nigthborne is the second best horde race ?

for the magic damage ?

[jovial kite]

No

[spare cloud]

For swag

[jovial kite]

herodamage.com

[potent oracle]

i love nigthborne 😦

[spare cloud]

I don't

[potent oracle]

😦

[coarse nymph]

Helli

I am unbanned

[midnight latch]

[strange python]

Why

[dire spoke]

@strange python

[strange python]

Hi 😘

[vernal adder]

[prime void]

Mornin bois

[dire spoke]

moanin

[prime void]

[lapis trout]

Still waiting on the shoulders, but I have bracers, waist(dmg buff over 90% hp) prydaz and sephuz's should I run bracers belt, or do the other 2 have good enough stat sticks to make them more worth the slot than the belt

[spare cloud]

Sim

[prime void]

Sim yo self

[smoky panther]

What do i need to do, to get a /y .. when Poison Bomb procs?

[prime void]

Dont ?

Becsuse theyre annoying as fuck

[smoky panther]

I asked what to do, not if u like it (:

[prime void]

Yeah, and I gave you a better solution

So you can be a good rogue and not annoying one

[plain thistle]

1s, I have one

[prime void]

Gosh darnit jhon

[plain thistle]

@smoky panther https://pastebin.com/PmzXfVZD

its only loading for dungeons

you need to change that if you want for other things

[smoky panther]

Thank you c:

[plain thistle]

@prime void what? its kinda usefull for dungeon when pugging

tanks like to move mobs for no reason

[rotund pier]

I have a WA that sends myself a tell saying "Poison Bomb" when it procs. Typically for when those times I have to play on my shitty laptop and settings are on 1. Good way to keep track

It's useful for M+, but if you are trying to be fast, and doing lower keys it's kind of pointless. If you have a tank that is fast or a chain puller, there's not much you can do to make that person change the way they play. You also provide 1 more thing a tank has to keep track of/pay attention to. It just ends up being annoying imo.

[void pecan]

I use.. a poison bomb thing that flashes gold coins

and plays a slot machine winning noise

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spare cloud]

dead channel?

[supple hearth]

Personally if im lead of a group and a rogue yells out every pb I'm going to just remove them on the spot. It's one thing to have something set up to communicate to yourself so you can be more aware of your own ability but it's pretty selfish to think a tank should play around your pb. If you're at the level where it matters at all (that level doesn't exist) then you're probably in voice with the tank and can just use that :p

Personal opinion at all but ya Ive seen a lot of rogues using some sort of /yell pb thing and it's more annoying than finding urself in a dungeon with an RPer who has a different saying macrod to every other ability

[plain thistle]

like I said, its really usefull for dungeon when pugging

and I dont know why you think its annoying

for raids yes

because its irrelevant

[supple hearth]

It's annoying because nobody should need to know about the pb except the rogue. There's a reason you see a green puddle and nobody else does

[plain thistle]

if you think a tank shouldn't know about dps ability to better position the adds, dont know what I can tell you , but ok, its your opinion 🤷

[supple hearth]

I'm not saying it's not helpful sometimes I'm saying it's not helpful most of the time. That scenario isn't necessary every single proc

[safe matrix]

Honestly when I tank, I really don't care about playing around poison bomb

[plain thistle]

oh yeah, for sure, but its less annoying than screaming on TS/Discord every time you have proc and tank is moving adds

[supple hearth]

There's literally no level of the game where it's so important that the tank needs to stop and let pb tick

[safe matrix]

If it just so coincides with it, great! If not, I'm not gonna worry about it.

[supple hearth]

^

@plain thistle which is why I wouldn't do that either :p

[honest jolt]

How often do you encounter people who have a macro for PB anyways

[safe matrix]

People ask here like 5 times a day for one

[plain thistle]

thats why I said, "its usefull for pugging dungeon" where you dont know if the tank knows how to position adds or like to move adds for no reason at all

[honest jolt]

Thats cray

[supple hearth]

I don't pug a lot so not often but I've seen it and it's becoming more popular to do for some reason

[safe matrix]

Yeah, but at the level where you maybe want to concern about poison bomb

You should be in voice anyways

[plain thistle]

and what voice have anything to do with a poison bomb wa?

[supple hearth]

Again if I were on an alt tanking and a rogue did it I would personally stop and replace the rogue. I advise against doing that. But people can do anything they want lol

[safe matrix]

Say "hey don't move them"

[plain thistle]

thats really more annoying than a WA

that /say poison bomb

[safe matrix]

But not every poison bomb is relevant

[plain thistle]

oh yeah, for sure

[supple hearth]

You're going to call out that big pb proc once or twice and that's fine

But every single one is overkill

A /yell macro isn't necessary

Ever

[safe matrix]

Regardless, your one ability isn't going to stop my chain pulling

Because then other people can cleave harder, also I have a time line to keep

[plain thistle]

im not saying that this WA is a must have for every sin rogue, im just astonished by Giggleblush reaction to it

saying that he would kick the rogue

like wtf

[safe matrix]

I mean, I heavily consider it whenever someone binds a stupid /s to their abilities

[runic crescent]

I mean it's not like a poison bomb can do 20-30m damage on a big pull. A tank wouldn't need to care about that much damage in a high key. Yeesh.

/sarcasm

there are 100% situations in a high key where having the entire group play around a PB proc can be worth it. But yes, you'd probly be on comms in that ssituation anyway

[normal cedar]

Vinsin of Sargeras out here tryna gank boosted toons. Had to show him how real rogues world pvp 😉

[safe matrix]

Yeah we're talking about the cases that keys are low enough where you don't need to be in comms

[runic crescent]

Eh, it's probly an unecessary annoyance in that case, as some have said

[safe matrix]

Like if someone has the pb WA for like a +14

????????

[runic crescent]

but I personally like that addon

[safe matrix]

Things are dead before I have to care about that shit

[runic crescent]

errr WA

[safe matrix]

But this whole scenario is why I would rather bring a sub rogue to high keys anyways

🤷

[normal plover]

My tank would punch me in the Face If I tried to micromanage him like that

[prime void]

I brought up that pb is annoying

because I run into rogues who use it during raid and its just a ton of spam.

I probably wouldnt mind it as much in keys, but its damn annoying in raids.

[celest mirage]

I was so confused why I was doing no damage on argus and was constantly energy starved. little did I know my poisons weren't on.

rip

[main blaze]

pb WA for a 14?

oh like it announces?

[nocturne gate]

hey can someone tell me why details say on a parse i have with deadly poison 15%dmg done and skada tells me i have just 24% but the overall dps is the same ^^and which one is now " correct"

[runic crescent]

@safe matrix That's funny, I have recently been having much more success on high keys as sin

whereas I was used to doing all keys as sub

[safe matrix]

🤷 there's a reason all the best m+ rogues are sub

But whatever set up works for you

[turbid harbor]

is one of them adding the instant and ticking damages from deadly poison @Dr.Runsen#2331

[nocturne gate]

skada say it hits 335times and details just 268

[turbid harbor]

there are 2 components to deadly poison damage

there is the deadly poison ticks for having the poison on the target

and there is the instant damage from hitting a target, and proccing poison again, with deadly poison on the target

it is very possible that skada is adding the 2 different applications

[nocturne gate]

sounds like....was nice parse with 15% pb 😄

but it seems that warcraft log uses the data from details and not skada good to know^^

[turbid harbor]

warcraftlogs uses data from the combat log, not from an addon

[nocturne gate]

much to learn^^' sry

[turbid harbor]

it honestly doesn't matter very much

[nocturne gate]

u mean which meter i use ?

[turbid harbor]

i wouldn't use skada

[solid field]

I have a pb alert and out of all the times I've had something positive said about it.. it's not a yell, just a /say

[turbid harbor]

but that's personal preference

most people do use skada

[nocturne gate]

i dont like the pop up window from details^^

[plain thistle]

isnt details more popular now?

[turbid harbor]

apparently recount is still the most popular 😄

but skada seems the most popular among mythic raiders

recount 92M, skada 32M, details 10M

[plain thistle]

well, on curse forge , details is more popular : https://wow.curseforge.com/addons

[turbid harbor]

twitch client has different numbers

i can't even find skada or recount on that curseforge list

but details has the same 9.7M number 🤔

[nimble arrow]

so i know Haste is a ded stat but Spiked Counterweight seems good. ill sim it but i wanted peoples opinions

[safe matrix]

I think its pretty terrible

but I'd have to double check what it is

[nimble arrow]

it gives haste

http://www.wowhead.com/item=136715/spiked-counterweight&bonus=1826:1497

[zealous dew]

I joined a pug key M+ weekly, first pull i have 2 pb on mantle, DH in group: fucking rogues of skjlsfdkdoajdfio fdsjkfs and he quits

time to quit the game

[calm grail]

He was mad?

What a crybaby

[zealous dew]

yeah but he feking disbanded the group

[calm grail]

"you're making this go faster, goodbye"

Is he ♿

[zealous dew]

playing sub now, and doing mediocre dps

everyone happy

[runic crescent]

@safe matrix I think the principle reason all the top m+ rogues are sub is because it's what they are used to

I think sin is a lot more viable than people realize, and for some affixes even superior

[sand whale]

people actually rage because you do more dps? XD

I'd be like HI5 that's some sick pb

[zealous dew]

it's cool

i don't care anymore

[desert warren]

whats ur stats weights in M+ dungeons guys?

[sand whale]

I've been running with another sin rogue for lols

sometimes packs just get deleted in a second

[calm grail]

If you were sub, it would be a millisecond.

🌭

[runic crescent]

@safe matrix Also, as you probly know the super elite m+ people (affix depending) do really big pulls and so sub is obviously better

for us mortals that are just doing like 22s in time, the pulls are much smaller

[sand whale]

can't beat back to back pbs! sometimes I don't miss dfa at all!

[runic crescent]

even poison bomb can't compare to the on demand burst of a sub rogue

[calm grail]

HAH only a 22? I can do a 40 with my eyes closed pleb. Only play Sub though.

[torn token]

but then there are pulls with 0 pb and you only do like

2 mil dps lol

[runic crescent]

cloak/dfa/glaives inside double vanish window will blow PB out of the water on a big pack

[sand whale]

lol

[torn token]

theres a reason why sub is preferred

is just more reliable

[runic crescent]

yeah

my only point was that for a more normal player like me, sin can be quite competitive

doing 20-22s

[torn token]

sin is fine in m+ by all means if your comp already has great aoe

[calm grail]

My sin aoe caps out at like 400k

I spread rupture a lot.

I don't know what I'm doing wrong

[torn token]

if you have t21 just rupture/garrote one and spam fok envenom

dont need to spread bleeds

[calm grail]

I usually Envenom at 2 or more CPS to maintain Elaborate planning and spam Rupture

And to ramp up alacrite stacks quicker

More finishers more alacrity

[torn token]

better off just spamming envenom so you can use the t21 for energy and try to pray for pbs

or your aoe will be 🤢

[calm grail]

Also weave in DfA on CD

[sand whale]

I just use my raid build. That said as you said sub for anything worth while

fok evenom, fok rupture /pray for pb

[calm grail]

Nah

I'm pretty sure what I said is best

[desert warren]

is 24% crit enough with EoC or antorus crit trinket?

[torn token]

better with more, makes rotation more smooth

[calm grail]

For hemo build you need around 40% crit

[zealous dew]

alacrity 😄

[sand whale]

I think there's ur problem, playing bleed in m+ and wanting to aoe

[zealous dew]

bleed in m+ 😄

[desert warren]

he's just trolling

[calm grail]

When I exsanguinate I Burst for 300k tyvm

[sand whale]

they should make it all targets 10/10 would try

[calm grail]

@desert warren a serious answer to your question, is that's probably acceptable, but pretty low.

I'm using the Mythic trinket off hounds, and I'm at about 25% unbuffed

[torn token]

all target exsang would be amazing lol

[calm grail]

I think with shock light and the trinket proc I get to like 33%

[desert warren]

i have around 30% crit unbuffed + 940 EoC and around 5k vers. i feel like i should drop a little bit of crit and get more vers

[calm grail]

Still wish I had more, would smooth out the CP generation.

[prime void]

24% is low af

[desert warren]

mastery is ~15k

[calm grail]

What sims better?

[torn token]

i want more crit, makes tb 3x envenoms so smooth

[calm grail]

I'm sure you've just run them against each other.

[desert warren]

more crit = better

[calm grail]

I think eye is more consistent, but the doggo trinket can produce better parses if that's what you care about.

I think item level 4 item level though eye is generally better.

[sand whale]

yeah don't drop crit, drop vers instead for moar crit!

[calm grail]

Yeah.

My versatility is ridiculously high and my crit is suffering for it

I'm at like 200 mastery 18.5 vers 25 crit.

Haste is low as shit.

Its versatility taking up all that Mastery and crit.

[desert warren]

i've seen people playing with 11k crit 13.5-14k mastery with any of two crit trinkets and they're doing consistent damage (i've seen them on streams)

[calm grail]

I think there's all sorts of ways to get to the same goal, the bottom line is just avoid haste.

[prime void]

^ depends on leggo

trying to play boots bracers with insanely low crit is aids- like you wont pull high numbers

[desert warren]

is it worth looking for balanced blades relic trait?

[spare cloud]

BB is very good

Only thing better is mass and malch, but for some people bb sim similar

[desert warren]

is it possible to sim different relic combinations?

[spare cloud]

Just use raidbots

[sand whale]

I use 2bb 1ma but that's just how it turned out, helps quite a bit and I'm at 30% crit smooths out rotation

[calm grail]

Go triple BB and Insignia. Become a mutilate God.

[spare cloud]

Not even that absurd

actually viable

[dire spoke]

👀

sup u keybind spoons

[spare cloud]

notice me zempai

[desert warren]

3bbs slightly better 30% cc

[dire spoke]

try boots

[spare cloud]

I havent been noticed

FeelsBadMan

[desert warren]

how simcraft deals with PB procs?

[calm grail]

8%

[strange python]

7.6%

[pastel roost]

Hey guys , just aking but does anyone has a WA for poison bomb? So when it proc it says so in /S ?

[spare cloud]

check wago.io for that

[calm grail]

That sounds annoying as fuck

[spare cloud]

Indeed

[pastel roost]

Not needed in raid , just in M+ to indicate the tank

[spare cloud]

You think tanks actually react to that?

poor you

[calm grail]

Also, going out on a limb here, but if you are playing with the decent tank, they won't be moving unless they have to

And nobody would slow down the speed of a dungeon for the sake of a poison bomb.

[spare cloud]

going out on a limb here, if you are playing with a decent tank they will have you ignored after 1 - 2 pb proccs

[calm grail]

If they are moving because of chain pulls.

Poison bombs are just one of those things that when they happen they happen.

[pastel roost]

The tanks i do M+ asked me sometimes ago , that it would be nice for the times we're not on vocal, yes most of the times they do not moves but they would prefere to know for dps sake. I don't mind and i don't care for Tanks i don't know.

[spare cloud]

Like I said, check wago.io there is a weakaura like that there

I mean I wouldn't play assa in m+ anyways but every man for himself

[pastel roost]

i'll check yeah , did not have luck last time , either because i'm bad at searching on this website or either it was not there ? i'll come back to you if i don't find it

I mean assa is quite nice on certains M+ on 22+

[spare cloud]

it's playable on some tyrannical ids

[dire spoke]

what the hell is wrong

last few days everyone suddenly want's a stupid WA

[fervent beacon]

tbh when you're pushing higher key as sin, alacrity might pull ahead

because you can rupture adds and just spam env/fok

[dire spoke]

[spare cloud]

weeb

[heavy plover]

billy feelsbadman

[thorny stump]

im just now swapping to assass, is t20 good for it? or is it 4pc t21

[spare cloud]

Check the guide.

[distant nest]

So, what's better to push high keys

assa or sub?

[spare cloud]

sub

[calm grail]

Survival

[distant nest]

sub players still wear tomb gear right?

[spare cloud]

for aoe yes

for st its dependant on how high the pieces are and shit

[calm grail]

Yeah, it's super intuitive and fun to gear for.

[spare cloud]

assa has more variation in it tbh

[safe matrix]

2p/2p for AoE

[distant nest]

how do you guys run assa in +15 and higher?

[safe matrix]

and possibly single target

cause 4p is an rng fiesta

[spare cloud]

I dont run assa in 15+

[distant nest]

you run sub?

[safe matrix]

sub is the best rogue spec for m+

most people play sin for raid and sub for m+

[distant nest]

i see a lot of assassination players

[spare cloud]

probably people who cant maintain 2 speccs

or are not willing to

[distant nest]

i just need new bracers

[spare cloud]

so they just stay assa because assa is go to specc

[distant nest]

assa is easier to handle right?

[safe matrix]

its not like sin is unviable in keys

yeah you basically play the same as in raid

mantle/bracers

poison build

etc

[spare cloud]

I don't think assa is paticularly easier than sub

different playstyles

[safe matrix]

Eh

[distant nest]

i never tried sub , since i didn't have the leggo's

[safe matrix]

sub AoE is solidly easy. ST can be punishing

[distant nest]

but now the hands dropped, so i just need to get some good bracers

[fast nacelle]

assa is fine in upper