but another bv build is gonna make me puke
#assassination
lethal heart
shrewd oriole
dude play w/ us
we got a poe discord
but dunno, ED contagion looks sick, trickster looks sick, jugg looks meh
deadeye looks sick
manic vigil
Those noose jokes still make me uneasy btw. Since my swtor days when they actually sent the police to my house in the middle of the night because of one such joke 
Not cool btw
lethal heart
LOL
manic vigil
True story yeah
dire spoke
hoary copper
Did you say you were going to kys? o.o
manic vigil
I was joking around on the forums because the servers were down all the time
manic vigil
I think we changed the sith code or some nerdy shit
It was way more innocent than the stuff today tbh
dire spoke
sith = death
manic vigil
But I went afk after posting it and missed the pm of a mod
shrewd oriole
LOL
hoary copper
Least you didnt get baker acted
manic vigil
And explaining it was very embarrassing to say the least
spare nebula
I finally had one of those fights where 
blessed my poison bomb procs
after a string of garbage luck (we're talking like 15M damage TOTAL from poison bomb over several ~4 min fights)
feelsgoodman
but also feelsbadman that you need that kinda luck for good parses
like when this happened on doggos
π¦
spare nebula
high command
lone junco
@warm geode current meta still has you FOK at >=3 with pk relics.
kindred forge
spare nebula
Also I finally got a relic upgrade that brings me to 2x Vendetta traits. Stoked to see how it helps next week
kindred forge
Yesterday high command
raven flower
is there a place for NLC picks
shrewd oriole
herodamage
raven flower
ok thanks
warm geode
@lone junco was trying to simc dat , 3 pk
viscid helm
im getting chinese
shrewd oriole
sure, I'll get chinese
manic vigil
Makes sense
spare nebula
chinese makes me sleepy
I'd go with some breakfast type food, personally
make yourself some pancakes and eggs
hella energy
shrewd oriole
got this new album
that released a week ago
that fantano gave a 9/10
everything is lined up
strange python
poe is a love hate relationship
hoary copper
Are you having your vegan crossfitter over Tom?
shrewd oriole
tomorrow
warm geode
@lone junco https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ocwizSV1xfeLMgx51sUB3d .-. down from 2.345M if using fok rotation
spare nebula
@shrewd oriole Which album? I mean if the best teeth in the game puts it at a 9, that's pretty dang good.
runic crescent
You guys talking about cleave fights or is FoK a thing a gain?
spare nebula
hes great. i dont always agree with his reviews, but most of the time I do
i mostly watch his metal reviews tho
shrewd oriole
it's a house album
yeah I have a really ecletic taste
so I listen to everything p much
warm geode
@runic crescent just me , gonna change relics after kill argus, was seeing how much loss would be for ST
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ixaUoycNf3jcUGkmLnbs8r
to
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ocwizSV1xfeLMgx51sUB3d
spare nebula
yeah he's really branched out over the years
i found him years ago when he was like the only person doing those types of reviews for metal / punk albums
loved when he started to branch out to hiphop/rnb and beyond
hoary copper
Ever hear Caleb I think his last name is like Hayes on youtube? He (at least used to) turn popular songs into more metal versions.
He's done a lot of anime and broadway as of late tho
placid egret
Is My homeboy iwin free yet?
shrewd oriole
ye
vernal adder
fast nacelle
nitro users π€
manic vigil
vernal adder
west spade
Hi should I not Cast garrote or Envenom to fill in the last combo point to avoid wasting potential seal of fate combo points?
I meant garrote or toxic blades
west spade
When 1 cp left I try to fill in with garrote or toxic blade
plain thistle
but you can use garrote if its inside (or close) to pandemic
but a general rule is envenom/rupture at 4+ combo point
you dont need 5
spare cloud
I mean if tb comes up and I have 0 cp and mutilate crits and i have 4
then I still use tb
west spade
How about garrote?
west spade
So U donβt worry about seal of fate on the last cp
west spade
Ok because it buffs your envenom
Makes sense
4 cp , pool energy also before TB or just on cool down?
Thanks
spare cloud
dont delay tb to pool energy
west spade
Oh ok
spare cloud
I mean if you know what youre doing and you're not losing a cast then you can pool i guess
west spade
Wow analyzer was telling me I was missing some TB and Envenom casts, its probably becaus I delay them to pool
spare cloud
worst thing you can do is lose casts
steep citrus
how woudl pooling make you miss envenom casts? that's not a cooldown based skill
west spade
Y I try to line them up but I guess I wait longer than I should
craggy needle
Do you guys delay KB for V window? Or delay V for KB to fit into V window?
spare cloud
TB casts
steep citrus
or you mean tb + envenom?
spare cloud
I don't delay kb for vendetta
well, I do if I'm sure I don't lose a cast
but if you can't time that then not worth
west spade
Y I probably donβt know the fights enough to know when to waot
fast nacelle
toph assa guide when
spare cloud
stop making fun of me tyra
vernal adder
this was it¨
spare cloud
I cry in my sleep
steep citrus
assassination: where you just press everything the instant it lights up. no decisions or skill involved, a pecking bird pressing a key every second that had a smart macro on it could get max parses.
strange python
For t21, the TC community has generally acknowledged the dps "loss" of the 2nd vendetta trait to be an artifact of the simulation due to imperfect coding. Coding has improved recently and adding the 2nd vendetta trait is a dps gain.
is this true monkaS?
or is reddit being reddit again..
shrewd oriole
where was that posted?
strange python
reddit.
strange python
craggy needle
Do you delay TB for V window or vice versa?
jovial kite
why would you ever read reddit
for things like these
when you got legit dedicated people working on shit ight here
its insulting
hoary copper
I was just reading that thread
jovial kite
DONT READ
strange python
I sometimes help people on there
jovial kite
but memes aside
vernal adder
good thing I didnt learn to read
hoary copper
I posted help for someone, I are useful
jovial kite
like jhonewei said if its not in theorycrafting its not true
strange python
some guy said to clip surge of toxins
spare cloud
I should respond as well.
plain thistle
lol, clipping SoT was a overrated thing even when it was worth doing it
hoary copper
Mage flair?
strange python
mage DansGame
plain thistle
back in NH
west spade
SoT clipping isnβt needed ?
shrewd oriole
toph with the answer too
plain thistle
never was
shrewd oriole
POGCHAMP
strange python
nope
spare cloud
Yeah
west spade
Oh I was trying to clip it while vendetta was up
strange python
i was the one he replied too in the first place
vernal adder
replied
spare cloud
one guy with mage flair and one guy with warrior flair
use every flair but rogue guys
jovial kite
i wonder which ass he pulled out the ''tc community has agreed''
hoary copper
Dang it mine has rogue
strange python
π
spare cloud
Maybe he has inside information we don't know about π€
vernal adder
Ion on reddit
jovial kite
jovial kite
i hope not
spare cloud
I have 2 MASS FeelsBadMan
jovial kite
would be even more redacted
dense quest
Theory craft
vernal adder
I bet its toph who made that comment with his 2 mass
spare cloud
Yeah I have 2 accounts and reply to myself
vernal adder
1 for nsfw and 1 srs
spare cloud
srs redditing
strange python
jokes on you, every account on reddit is the same, reddit is a hivemind, wake up sheeple /s
civic palm
twitch/curse client not finding my WoW install > _> uhhuh
vernal adder
you're hacked
civic palm
Nah
strange python
by sombra
vernal adder
annoying bitch that sombra
civic palm
Quite.
vernal adder
really fun when you play doomfister
strange python
her new hack disable\s genji's wallclimb, they just stand there dumbfounded
craggy needle
So I have 7 master assassin relics and I'm trying to determine if what I should delay for my V window. You guys have any tips? I'm noticing a loss in TB casts but my KB dmg is so much higher than a similar rogue. Not losing V casts, but having to delay most of the time.
vernal adder
7 equipped relics PogChamp
strange python
do you use boots
craggy needle
I have 7 master assassin and 7 master alch
strange python
wtf
craggy needle
No boots
strange python
send me your luck
spare cloud
thefuck dude
craggy needle
Just luck. And 2 shadows traits
strange python
let me guess, your weapon is over lvl 1000 too
craggy needle
Nope. 960ish. Low trait ilvls
But I can't replace.
Sim too high
I can't find a good rogue with 7 master assn traits to follow thoufb
On logs
strange python
anyway, i'm not sure what the answer to your question is
craggy needle
Me either.
spare cloud
Delaying for lineups is generally fine if you dont lose casts
I mean what could go wrong
strange python
I don't see people delay any casts deliberately unless they have boots
spare cloud
Well if you don't lose anything then its not really a problem I think
strange python
that's fair.
spare cloud
I mean you delay vanish for 30% phase anyways
and on short fights thats when you do your last vendetta anyways
and if the boss is at like lets say 15% and you go ham with kb and tb you dont get another kb anyways
so having them all line up in vendetta is pretty good
craggy needle
I do lose casts. But I use KB on CD for example, it won't line up with V every time.
fast nacelle
i learnt so much today in Ravenholdt
civic palm
So long it has nothing to do with Rogues, job done.
craggy needle
And same goes for TB. Some won't land on V unless I delay, which is generally easier to manage
vernal adder
this is general chat why are we talking about sin?
craggy needle
Uh. Waitwat
civic palm
V could be anything.
craggy needle
Vendetta....
civic palm
_>
craggy needle
Or I'm just weak idk
vernal adder
You got the power
manic vigil
V for Vendetta 
civic palm
_>"
vernal adder
Ideas are bulletproof
spare cloud
Anyways I'm out, I keep getting bullied by tyra
civic palm
Ideals are reality.
civic palm
REPORT TO AMR REEEEEEEEEE
civic palm
π¨ I am ready.
manic vigil
tyra is jelly because he has no friends π¦
and we like the little idiot without a nose better
civic palm
fast nacelle
π΅π»
heavy plover
Random question but are 25 man Mythic WoD raids soloable (BRF)?
civic palm
Yo Spectrum needs to get their DNS in order you fucks > _>
Mmmm, I don't remember if I have tried since the scaling changes.
cerulean aspen
brf is soloable
civic palm
Find a buddy, ezpz.
cerulean aspen
hans/franz can screw up and blast furnace takes a while
heavy plover
i thought they fixed blast furnace so it's soloable?
civic palm
They must have done that recently, cause it takes forever.
heavy plover
Ah okay, should i go 10 man, or 25?
heavy plover
Hmm, intresting. Okay thanks, to kill Thogar and Flamebender do i have to clear Blast Furnance?
cerulean aspen
don't recall exactly but i don't think so
heavy plover
Okay thanks mate
civic palm
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
bronze topaz
!trinket
civic palm
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
bronze topaz
thanks π
civic palm
π
strange python
as bleed, how much mastery is "too much" i got boots and im just kinda wanting a change of pace
strange python
yeah i mean i am simming it, just looking for a numbers thing. ill see my stat %'s in just a sec
32 crit 130 mast 17 vers in my current gear
plain thistle
you probably want more crit than that
strange python
ill sim it around to see what i get my best result as. for some reason a lot of my crit gear is also haste.
safe matrix
That's just how a lot of gear is this tier π€·
strange python
ok so read the bleedrog stuff and dummy hit for a bit. without 3 MA relics do i hold my exang for vendetta?
brave gyro
Its gonna be weird, to go full haste for BFA for Sin π€
strange python
does haste like affect dot ticks? ive stayed away from the alpha stuff
in the event i get attached to something and it gets scrapped.
brave gyro
- Mastery gets changed to affect BLEEDS and poisons (instead of just poisons)
- Haste will affect bleeds
- We get dispatch back - Dispatch procs from auto attacks - more haste=more aa=more procs
- Haste=energy regen
warm geode
dispatch is proc from auto attacks? thought the was from mutilate ( 35% chance do be usable when use mutilate ) something like dat
strange python
without 3 MA relics do i hold my exang for vendetta? couldnt find a pin or anythign on it
void pecan
@lone junco HELP THIS MAN
fervent beacon
Ideally you want 3MA for exsang to line it up.
strange python
that said in the meantime
strange python
the answer is you dont play bleed without 3 ma
devout temple
i don't see how crimson tempest will help with aoe this stuff is dying in 1 second
is sub atleast fun now in alpha
ocean grotto
At lower keys stuff die in 1 second
devout temple
i dont have the gear to do higher yet
so just dont play rogue?
Good class design π
ocean grotto
Well play subtletly until BfA then problem solved π
devout temple
oh damn my sub weapon is like 700
now i gotta get relics
thats a lot of hoops just to play
a single class
ocean grotto
Dont forget to get legendary shoulders+back and a nice aoe trinket while you are at it π
ocean grotto
No pain no gain!
devout temple
ill log in for my weekly blp/wa which is only like 1 hour a day thats about it dont see point past that
no shoulders or cape or boots or wrist
lucid thunder
Why is lego head simming more than bracers?
lone junco
@strange python if you don't have 3ma that's not the end of the world. But you need boots. Anyway. You would be holding exang for like 9 sec or so.
You can try the argunite vendor for that 3rd.
indigo idol
i kinda wanna play exsang but logs are scaring me off :/
gilded lark
@devout temple 
strange python
@lone junco thanks, I hate to drop from like 970 relics to 910 or so for an MA relic but if its a huge upg im not that opposed to it..
but yeah ive got boots /bracers
@devout temple IIRC people on ptr, playing bleed build, were taking poison bomb anyway since it is so good
fringe mist
should i go ww monk or sin rogue for bfa hmmmm
jovial kite
@lucid thunder you probably have better offpieces for head build
@indigo idol what scares you mate
lucid thunder
@jovial kite it sims 50k more, the wrists i have is high master low haste
jovial kite
@lucid thunder should probably use head until you get better pieces π
indigo idol
dunno just have t20 hands and legs and im "scared" i wont do as much dps
indigo idol
yeah poison is 2.143 and bleed is 2.047
jovial kite
do you have 3x ma?
indigo idol
nah working on it :/
jovial kite
alright
devout moth
yo guys
jovial kite
i wouldnt run exsang until 3x ma and boots wrist
devout moth
can someone answer me a question? :p
indigo idol
kinda hard to give up a 975 relic for 940 xd
devout moth
so i just dropped wrists
and i swapped boots for wrists
and im simming 20k less
why is that?
jovial kite
what did you change them with
indigo idol
got 33% with bleed gear /
indigo idol
with my bleed gear?
jovial kite
yeah
indigo idol
sure gimme a sec
devout moth
i had 965 haste mastery wrists
and i swapped my leggo boots for 960 boots with crit mastery
@jovial kite
jovial kite
@shrewd nacellephyst#0190 so what legendaries did you have before
boots + ?
and what did you change it to
warm geode
there is some channel on this discord the i can promote my stream?
keen inlet
We don't permit stream promotion
warm geode
ok
jovial kite
@shrewd nacellephyst#0190 could be your old offpieces were better than current
keen inlet
You can link clips if they're particularly funny/relevant, though.
jovial kite
but dropping 20k in sims isnt a big deal if you are still progressing
wrists are super valuable during progress
keen inlet
But no "promotion"
jovial kite
and i mean it could also be that boots wrist sim higher for you than shoulder combos
warm geode
@keen inlet ty
devout moth
yeah i killed imonar yesterday without them
devout moth
yeah
strange python
if u are progressing pve content , i mean mythic with that, you should always go for wirsts and boots, except kin, thats right
strange python
ofc u can
but if ur guild is struggelin with add dps, shoulders can make the difference
plain thistle
you should use what sim better, for ppl usually is shoulder+bracer, but thats not a universal rule
strange python
thats where i have to say no π
plain thistle
yes, shoulder is good for progression, no reason to use boots if it sim 40k less than shoulders
devout moth
oh i'll sim wrists+boots
jovial kite
@shrewd nacellephyst#0190 yeah do it
plain thistle
there is nothing special to boots that make it good for progression
strange python
well there is
jovial kite
except on kinga and aggramar
plain thistle
yup
devout moth
i actually sim higher with wrists+boots
strange python
you will often find urself in a situation in a mythic environment where you can not play the shoulders to their full use
jovial kite
@shrewd nacellephyst#0190 yeah i thought so
plain thistle
me too, I use boots+bracer for every boss(except immonar)
jovial kite
π
dire spoke
Where ma bois at
jovial kite
order something
dire spoke
you only get sh*t at 12PM
jovial kite
rip
civic palm
Well then it's time to fashion a weapon from a broom handle and a hair brush and find food.
gaunt moat
that's not true
manic vigil
notter is also always watching
jovial kite
giggle has the spoons at the ready
civic palm
Yeah you can get away with posting a picture of your dick for like... 3 minutes.
jovial kite
notter is always lurking in a nearby bush
jose is raging even though calm on the surface
manic vigil
devout moth
do u think i can be do to my traits
manic vigil
decent behavior for a bunny tbh
devout moth
that boots is simming higher?
manic vigil
gotta hide somehwere right
civic palm
Figured he'd be chasing carrots > _>
jovial kite
@shrewd nacellephyst#0190 ofc
jovial kite
offpieces and relics most likely
manic vigil
boots bracers 4 Life jo
dire spoke
dire spoke
give me a sec
devout moth
i have 6 points in master assassin
jovial kite
@shrewd nacellephyst#0190 yeah thats why
devout moth
and 5 in msater alchemist
jovial kite
if you get a 3rd ma boots might drop
or if you lose 1 ma boots might drop
to get shoulder bracer bis
but i would just run what sims highest
boots wrists
gaunt moat
why do you keep tagging poor nen
undone nacelle
If I drop my order hall ToS quest, kill enough mythic bosses to qualify for a mythic cache, then click the item in my inventory again to pick up the quest, will it turn mythic rather than remain heroic as it currently is?
Or is it 10000% locked as a heroic cache? Iβm also a lol worried that abandoning the quest will make it disappear altogether. Has anyone done this exact process to confirm?
plain thistle
its when the quest pop in your order hall
the cache is determined when that happens
undone nacelle
Have you ever tried abandoning the quest to see what happens? Since thereβs an item in your inventory that I would assume letβs you pick up the quest again
jovial kite
dont
if you get the quest as heroic
nothing will change it
except next week if you meet the requirement for mythic drop
civic palm
1... more... ugh
devout moth
ty bro
jovial kite
np mate
devout moth
@jovial kite for some reason i see assa rogues bursting like 7m i alwys do like 4
unless i get a lot of poison bomb
jovial kite
yeah well the assa rogues bursting 7m also get poison bomb :p
they also most likely have concordance buff and any other trinket buffs like ssf
which boosts ur burst big time
ripe dock
yo does anyone have a link to racial sims?
jovial kite
ripe dock
cheers
plain thistle
I think my best burst was 8M, 2 poison bomb during shoulder
π
probably concordance too
jovial kite
rofl
devout moth
@jovial kite i tried to sim with wrists+boots and with 2pc + 4pc was really good xd
jovial kite
yeah its strong :p
i use it myself
for both bleed and poison
unless i wanna roll the dice for a worldrank logpull
inner peak
hey, was wondering if any one had a macro for posion bomb? im sick of tank moving mobs when it procs thanks
inner peak
lol, main tank asked me to get it, cant seem to find one tho
lone junco
There is a WA on wago for it.
inner peak
cheers
solid pulsar
doe's anyone have a addon or a macro for announcing when my poison bomb procs
spare cloud
π€
civic palm
jovial kite
π
dire spoke
wago
solid pulsar
ive seen rogues running around with it being announced in party
civic palm
Oh yeah that sounds like someone you want to be like.
dire spoke
I think he didn't get that he got help
civic palm
There's a message output variable you can set in WA that will send it to raid > party > say / etc. depending on what kinda group you are in.
solid pulsar
well you didnt help you said theres a weakaura which ive already looked for one and cant find it, helping would be actually linking one
civic palm
No that's finding you the solution, helping comes in all shapes and sizes.
jovial kite
dont want to sound rude but what you said is pretty entitled
civic palm
I do believe my very own WA for tracking PBomb announces to say primarily.
Pretty simple to find the raid > party > say or just party in the drop down for message output.
spare cloud
I strongly believe that all such a weakauras is going to get you is a free slot on peoples ignore list
civic palm
It's on a different level from the [PLAYER] interrupted [TARGETS] cast of [SPELL].
Type spam.
spare cloud
Ignored
dire spoke
found one on wago with desc. Literally says in Raid that Poison Bomb is active, and then when it is not.
π€· try harder
civic palm
or at all.
spare cloud
Okay lets see how long it takes to find one
spare cloud
found one
civic palm
There's a nice one that has a personal chat output for procs/etc. but I think the code causing some FPS hitching.
dire spoke
you're such a pimp 
spare cloud
I'm confused how people can say that they can't find it when its literally on the frontpage
wtf
jovial kite
L A Z Y B O Y
civic palm
You see, now that's how you find a LazyBoy.
spare cloud
I've not looked it up but I can't find it, help me please
civic palm
:3
spare cloud
At least be honest about it and admit you're lazy
jovial kite
i mean helping is one thing
spare cloud
I can work with that.
jovial kite
but asking for whatever you wish delivered to you when its obvious you havent even tried yourself is a whole nother thing
devout moth
@jovial kite u tehre amte?
jovial kite
yeah bro
civic palm
ezpz
jovial kite
just use vanish to refresh garrote
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
civic palm
Using Mantle or not?
civic palm
Yeah just 1 more button.
jovial kite
you'll get used to it
devout moth
i really like shoulders xd but if i use shoulder+ wrists i sim 30k less than with that setup
dire spoke
tbh there are a lot of people who don't know how to use google. they type a effing sentance in that input with stuff that lead to false info
civic palm
ha
dusk jetty
How does poison compare to bleed for M+? Looks to me like poison would be ahead, but I don't want to gear for it based on my own usually-unreliable math and then find out I'm stupid a month from now
jovial kite
bleed tends to lose to poison over fullblown aoe
but is strong in 2-4 target cleave
so i would play bleed only in a handful of dungeons
dusk jetty
With the difference in stat prio, would you actually make the switch for those dungeons, or would you just gear towards more mastery and play poison in all?
jovial kite
if you want the long answer, i switch gear from pack to pack and from pack to boss
so i would gear towards whatever i need to do next
as in i have the gearsets for each scenario
if you want to play bleed for m+ your most hindering thing will be relics
spare cloud
I also switch to sub for m+
jovial kite
as you are pretty much locked with them
@spare cloud what i said applies to sub also π
you have different stat prios for st cleave and aoe
smg
dusk jetty
Fair enough. If you're keeping gear for aoe/st, might as well keep a bleed set too for any case where it would perform better regardless of poison relics.
Thanks for the help!
jovial kite
np mate
spare cloud
I like Eye of Command on aoe
dusk jetty
so do the 3 target sims
dire spoke
lol
slim siren
i dont know if its just me but does 1.2 mil seem low for a 946 assassin?
slim siren
dotn have teir. decent everything else
26 crit 4 haste 186 mast 16 vers
shoulders and kiljaedens'
slim siren
well i coudl put on dusk but id have to put on a haste trink
jovial kite
i think its still worth
kjbw is bad
and why arent you farming for a good trinket then? :p
easy fix there
safe matrix
Trinkets are usually eoc/gloomfsng and panth
slim siren
eocs are so hard to come by tho
jovial kite
with that crit, a crit stat stick would be a good upgrade too
safe matrix
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
safe matrix
Pick one from the list
slim siren
but ive even simmed having panth and shadow trinkets adn putting on dusk and it is only 1.25
safe matrix
Your relics are probably shit
jovial kite
want to link those sims?
slim siren
dont know how to link them. is it all the texy in simcraft input?
slim siren
dont have that addon
jovial kite
well you should download that addon
slim siren
ya i legit have no trinkets
jovial kite
thats not ur issue here
your sims are all wonky
because you sim for 10 minutes
and have no crucible data
so
download simc addon
and change fight time to 300 seconds
which is standard
slim siren
how much do you think cruicble will change it tho
jovial kite
a literal shitton
if you have 75
in weapon
but
changing the fight time
will change it a shitton too
so just do these things
and link the sims after
slim siren
k im simming it after 300 im in raid currently so i cant really change addons
jovial kite
kk
slim siren
k at 300 seconds its 1.3
indigo idol
btw slagg what are the special "tricks" i need to be aware for playing exsang ?
jovial kite
you need to learn when to refresh rupture before exsang during pandemic
to stop yourself from wasting cp energy and old rupture ticks
indigo idol
so max exsang value is when rupture has ns buff and around 32s right?
jovial kite
yes
and you have potion
and you have vendetta
and you are on execute
and you have concordance
if we talk about literal literal max value
spare cloud
gotta time your concordance right
blazing badge
Hello
dire spoke
π
blazing badge
Good evening to you, I have a question, I'm rogue assa spe poison, do you find that 24 or 27% crit and too low? with 206% Mastery
indigo idol
so for example you try to 3cp rupture when exsang has about 10s left then 6cp refresh with vanish vendetta then exsang? π
blazing badge
@jovial kite I made a simulation, well, unfortunately, I droop, the argus collar in 970, he has a lot of crit on it, when I sim, it's superior to the dog collar in 945
spare cloud
I was in that situation and for me crit was only a very minor amount above mastery at 22% crit
even though its suboptimal its playable
indigo idol
when your rupture is falling off and exangs is up in about 10sec you 3rp rupture and when exsang is up you 6cp rupture with the pandemic of 3cp rupture
blazing badge
yes at each sim made the crit brings me an up
spare cloud
I mean you kinda want crit mastery items anyways
so just focus on high crit
until the weights balance each other out and mastery is above again
jovial kite
@indigo idol the best way is to try and play your rupture refreshes so that rupture naturally comes to pandemic when your exsang comes up
it will get a little of getting used to
but you use lowroll mutilates (2-3cp) to refresh your ruptures
or kingsbane if it comes off cd handy
blazing badge
ok, it is imperative to find the balance so that the mastery is new in mind π
indigo idol
so only 5-6cp rupture when you wanna exsang it?
spare cloud
What
indigo idol
and keep env buff up like poison build?
dire spoke
@blazing badge I hated >30% crit ... I mean you can sim 2.2m poison mantle-bracer regardless of your crit, it's just annoying to play when CP generation cucks you
jovial kite
your ep should be 94% +
indigo idol
ep?
jovial kite
elaborate planning
spare cloud
I wish I'd sim 2,2 mil
jovial kite
no
you can easily do 95% if you just 4+ env
because rupture refreshes ep too
i think i had a 97% ep uptime on m varimathras and i did steps
so its not that hard
blazing badge
@jovial kite What I do not understand when I sim is that the combination, shoulder & boots are above the shoulder & bracele
While on all sites the bis = shoulder & bracelet
jovial kite
envenom uptime is basically irrelevant.. you aim for ep uptime
indigo idol
ahh nice
jovial kite
@blazing badge what you need to understand is that all bis lists are based on a sample profiles
indigo idol
gotta make a wa for that one π
jovial kite
so if you look at herodamage.com bislist
it is all simmed with antorus gear only
this means
you got to sim yourself
to make sure what is bis for your character
blazing badge
it's subjunctive List
jovial kite
yes
your character is all that matters though
and variance comes from different stats and gear
spare cloud
I don't understand the words he's using
blazing badge
when you try, without going under the 30% pv, I always try with the boots, I find it more profitable ...
dire spoke
depends on your MAss relics too tho
blazing badge
alchim & toxic blade
I use a translator for you but, I love to come here I always find answers to my questions!
blazing badge
@jovial kite how to know when the stats are balanced? when an item with mastery tells us an up?
spare cloud
Sim
indigo idol
@jovial kite you have my gratitude sir thank you very much :3
jovial kite
@blazing badge https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/stats
sim your character ther e
to see your stat balance
@indigo idol np man anytime :3
blazing badge
300 ?
spare cloud
Yes
blazing badge
ok
spare cloud
use 100000 iterations
dire spoke
@blazing badge imagine there is something like a stats total of 10 ... so stats can split up like this 2-2-2-2-2 or 4-3-1-1-1
it's much more complex
but it's about the direction
jovial kite
looks normal
but your crit value is semi-high so
dropping any crit would probably make crit your best stat
blazing badge
34% crit actualy
jovial kite
6 points after mastery with an error of 1.5 per point
blazing badge
so now I little aimed the mastery ..
dire spoke
pretty close to mine https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jTJhXWm4VwHGmawfmyfmn2
spare cloud
Yeh, some items are rather suboptimal as you got many haste items but can't help that
Otherwise its looking good
blazing badge
@jovial kite Imo?
jovial kite
@blazing badge in my opinion
blazing badge
i do not understand imo
jovial kite
try to get a mastery crit neck and wrists
what i said was in my opinion your sims look good
spare cloud
Sadly the only wrist with crit mastery is in darkheart
and its high crit
so it might not be that much of an upgrade
because of 500 mastery lost
jovial kite
500 mastery into crit is 6k dps with his scales
dire spoke
could farm ToS second boss LUL
spare cloud
thats close
primal tangle
civic palm
Not it.
blazing badge
yes, thank you for your help !! I will come back to you if I have another question π
dire spoke
π€· anything can beat a sin rogue when stars align
civic palm
spare cloud
i heard warlocks are pretty good
dire spoke
I have a 960 sullied panth ring
but I don't wear it because I want to play with +30% crit
spare cloud
I use them both
civic palm
But yeah crit/mast makes more sense.
jovial kite
if i want to toplog tb rank parse i use the sullied
i use the sullied on full aoe too
spare cloud
I have 970 felhounds neck which i want to replace but cant
dire spoke
hmm
spare cloud
Im thinking insignia might sim higher for me as well
dire spoke
spare cloud
Gotta test that tomorrow
dire spoke
fok that 8k
spare cloud
Juicy gnawed thumb rink
hexed ferry
Can you have too many master assassin traits? on one relic it gives me a +8 on another it says -0.07
dire spoke
if it doesn't fit your gear currently just keep it
assuming you're running poison, 6 MAss is the shitter you don't want
5 or 7 is fine
cus CD stuff
dire spoke
don't use is then π€· wait until you can put in 7
civic palm
40k off bracers/boots beating mantle/bracers. pffft
dire spoke
let me shop that for you mize
civic palm
Nah I just need a lot of crit.
Need to change neck and ring.
970 fang so I need to check my EoC again.
civic palm
ha noty
dire spoke
2m don't even talk to me
dire spoke
ahahah
civic palm
LITE bowel MOVEMENT
civic palm
ezpz
Just upgrade everything to 960.
Done.
60k downgrade using vulcancore and gnawed @ 960 > _>
civic palm
Yeah this is just looking at direct upgrades with mantle.bracers.
Boots is almost 2M.
1.994M with a 960 Gnawed > _>
Though I am betting that the APL still doesn't use Gnawed correctly.
dire spoke
I believe it uses it on CD
sec
idk why they don't just use a vanish condition and maybe 1-2 conditions for fight lenth
I mean it would be better than this
pallid barn
I'm 7/7 on master alchemist traits and just got a 955 TB relic +3 weapon ilvls is it really worth dropping a MA trait for 3 ilvls? i only sim 10k more with it π€
dire spoke
try simming a cleave fight
then check both values and pick whatever you will use more at what you're doing ingame
I mean, ofc the envenom relic sims higher on ST patchwerk
young dagger
does raidbots sim all the leggos properly? i have all the sin ones and it says the helm and shoulders are top for me?
pallid barn
thanks Zemp
might be because its pairing them best with all the other gear you have, dunno
prisma thunder
what is the optimal way to use KB? looking at logs i always lag behind in that regard
wanton bough
Use it before TB if im not getting it wrong
How many secs? Dunno, they will give you a better answer
upper forum
Question, with using envenom should I be using it with only 4-5 combo points or with any amount of combo points?
wanton bough
Oh fuck, just remembered my answer
lean jungle
4+
wanton bough
5
lean jungle
Donβt use mutilate tho to get to 5 because itβs a waste
upper forum
<3 sweet I'm not a dickhead
fiery nest
fail
wanton bough
(Or +4)
dire spoke
lol
upper forum
Don't use mutilate to get to 5?
Garotte is acceptable even if it's just off CD?
To get to 5 yeh?
upper forum
Ahhhh
dire spoke
if you carrot to 5CP without loosing env uptime go for it
upper forum
What if I'm at 3?
wanton bough
Mut
lean jungle
Go for it
dire spoke
3CP is the shitter, you might waste 2CP
wanton bough
Mut can provide you between 2-4 cp
lean jungle
Mutilate gives iirc 2-4 cp per cast so u donβt want to overlap
wanton bough
Well, i did the maths. Phew
upper forum
Yeah :/ never quite sure if it's worth just dumping in envenom that's why I wanted to ask here
wanton bough
In resume: never waste CP
dire spoke
on youtube I always end up somewhere weird
upper forum
<3
Still applies with 2 and 4 piece? T21
Not worth dumping envenom on less than 4?
wanton bough
Cant give you an answer :( im a drunk rogue :>
upper forum
Haha
plain thistle
you still envenom/rupture at 4+
wanton bough
It is better to use Env after (or immediately) after you use your finisher
lean jungle
I would assume you want to use it on the max cp without overcapping no matter what just because of dmg output vs resource cost
wanton bough
Ohfuck, i meant TB
dire spoke
and what are you at tisu?
upper forum
Ahhh yeah I try too
wanton bough
Fug u
sacred citrus
lel
dire spoke
u
sacred citrus
i have two balance blades though so i gotta fix those
lean jungle
Thatβs insane grat... I mean fuck you
sacred citrus
1 ma and 3 malch
wanton bough
Who dropped it?
upper forum
Is opener with shoulder leggo mutilate, garrote, rupture, kingsbane, toxic blade, envenom?
sacred citrus
M AHC
upper forum
It's what I'm currently doing
dire spoke
@upper forum did you read the guide?
sacred citrus
Garrote -> mut -> rupt -> vend -> TB -> KB
upper forum
Sorry to disturb your memes and nice relic
dire spoke
spanish envenos
upper forum
Haha
sacred citrus
ye
upper forum
Okay sweet
sacred citrus
spanish envenos
upper forum
Thank a shit ton guys I'll leave you in peace
sacred citrus
you env while saying "JAJAJAJAJA"
upper forum
Gonna sleep
dire spoke
garrat mutilato ruptuente
lean jungle
@upper forum http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ this a good read on sin stuff btw
dire spoke
you find this link in #rules-and-guides, the header here and in PINS
good you didn't see it
upper forum
Opened and will read properly when I wake
lean jungle
Godspeed
upper forum
I know I'm a scrub haha I prefer asking peeps tho especially when tired
wanton bough
Short question here, guys: where can i find a good guide/stream/youtuber about M+15 as Assassin?
fierce turtle
get into the bible and start praying for pbombs
safe matrix
ToS drop boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooois
dire spoke
did you search for 'mythic plus assassination' on youtube once?
fervent beacon
@frigid briar have a youtube channel and he's always pushing high key as sin.
wanton bough
Never did, Zemp. I apologize :(
dire spoke
yeou tagt te infexos goy