assassination

[sacred citrus]

Is anyone here on mythic coven prog?

I need some advice.

[lone junco]

but im worried about this 1.90 overall, given if you didnt get that pb spike it would be like 1.8

[indigo idol]

hmm i just want to improve :/

i also got the feeling im playing way to spammish

dont like to pool before i pb to get 3 env in it

[lone junco]

open is fine

vanish delayed to bracer is fine.

[sacred citrus]

What’s with the random FoK?

[lone junco]

this kb is weak as shit

[indigo idol]

i got one pk relic so i think its better to just fok when on 3cp than mut

but that could be wrong tho :/

[sacred citrus]

I’d disagree.

You’re taking a higher chance to get 4cp instead of 5

[spare cloud]

at 3 cp you mut

you dont fok to get to 4 cp to evenom with 4 cp

not worth

[lone junco]

in mythic, when you get a debuff to drop, why dont you stay on the side of the boss and maintain melee?

this is a oor drop

not the big bursts

[sacred citrus]

You want to finish with 5 cp as often as possible without wasting cps

[indigo idol]

thats not the drop

thats soaking the green shits

[spare cloud]

also dont spam feint like that

you refresh it at like half the duration

energy wasted

[sacred citrus]

Which fight is this? I am assuming Garothi based off mechanics mentioned.

[spare cloud]

Yes

[indigo idol]

i kinda have to run back to soak cuz our melees are pretty brainfarted

[lone junco]

10 seal fate isnt horrible

lust at 35% is weird right?

[spare cloud]

Yeah thats fine actually

Lust on end is fine

[sacred citrus]

I run back and soak and I had the top parse on my server for a few times.

[spare cloud]

because the last phase is the hardest

"hardest"

[sacred citrus]

Just make sure you are letting your dogs fall off when you run away.

[sacred citrus]

Dogs?

Yea keep your dogs up m8

[indigo idol]

😄

btw i thank you guys for helping me through this 😃 best rogue community ❤

[spare cloud]

You're lucky that the toxic guys aren't here

LUL

[lone junco]

I think your KBs could use work. you might be too spammy

[sacred citrus]

When do you envenom? On CD?

Or when the buff falls off?

[lone junco]

(during kb)

[sacred citrus]

I’m asking him when he does it in general.

When garrote and rupture are up how do you look at when you need to envenom?

[indigo idol]

in vendetta i spam the fock out off it and normally i try to keep the buff up

in tb i spam to

to get 3 env in

[lone junco]

I think the -2kb and -1tb and the limp kb you got. and long down times. got you. didnt find something completely gross.

[indigo idol]

but like i said i think i need to pool be4 tbing

[spare cloud]

Not worth if you drop kb buffuptime

tbh

[brisk aurora]

Alacrity

[lone junco]

I ran alac. it was pretty good

[sacred citrus]

To do what you’re doing are you casting 3p envenom?

[spare cloud]

You can't guarantee 3 evenoms in tb without dropping other things

not that worth it

better pool and get your uptimes right

but don't go below 2

[sacred citrus]

Because if you are doing 3cp finishers that’s a problem.

[spare cloud]

don't fok at 3 cp btw 😄

[sacred citrus]

Don’t FoK on ST period.

[spare cloud]

even with one relic

[indigo idol]

@sacred citrus i keep the surge up for the last ticks of kb

[sacred citrus]

Surge is based of CPs used.

[indigo idol]

its not

[gilded lark]

it is

[sacred citrus]

It is.

[indigo idol]

hee

wtf

[sacred citrus]

So if you are using 3 CP finishers.

[lone junco]

EP is not. Sot is.

[sacred citrus]

That’s one problem.

[gilded lark]

the duration is not based off cp

[lone junco]

Env is not, just shorter.

[gilded lark]

however

the strength is

[sacred citrus]

^

[gilded lark]

2% per cp

[lone junco]

2p is fixed length

[gilded lark]

even tho the tooltip used to say 10% all the time

not sure if it's fixed now

[indigo idol]

ahh wtf

[sacred citrus]

It’s not.

[indigo idol]

didnt know that

thought 6s and 10% for any amount of cp

[sacred citrus]

NEVER Do a 3cp finisher.

Ever

[lone junco]

well...

I modified the apl for full >=3

and it was a small loss.

[spare cloud]

If boss dies within the next second 🤔

[lone junco]

2x in a boss is not that bad

full >=3 is a small loss on rupture and env both.

was like 1%

[sacred citrus]

Noobe are you still basing that off a “patchwerk ” style fight?

[lone junco]

still. sure

[sacred citrus]

Change it to a real fight style.

Because varimathras is the only thing close to PW.

[gilded lark]

hey look d3 has a cloak too

except it's a weapon

[lone junco]

Yeah, just get more PBonCD like Slydrin

[spare cloud]

[sacred citrus]

I got lucky that fight.

My best DPS isn’t even logged.

[lone junco]

I vanish env as exang again this week. switching specs gets to me.

[sacred citrus]

Do you still run exsang noobe?

[lone junco]

anyway. the q about 3cp vs 4cp finish has nothing to do with patchwerk

usually. poison for argus

[sacred citrus]

Still liking then I take it?

[lone junco]

my crit is much higher than the average poison boi tho. so my 3cp is probably less often per fight.

its my best by far. Ive been dabbling.

ran snd this week. man it is too fast for me. i cant raid call or yell at people at 65+apm

[indigo idol]

so the major points are: -dont fck up kingsbane with env. - never finish with less than 4 cp and tb on cd?

[lone junco]

tb on cd
kb on cd
vendetta on cd
hold vanish for vendetta (or bracer vendetta)

ye

and get 100% uptime of env during your kb

[indigo idol]

so pooling for tb or not? 😃

[lone junco]

2 sec?

but before the tb is ready.

[indigo idol]

ok

[lone junco]

you dont need to mash out all the time. slow down and hold high e. never capped

so when you hit tb you can Tb 5env mut mut env mut mut env

[sacred citrus]

I’ve gotten nothing but vers mastery stuff.

My crit is crap now.

[indigo idol]

thank you very much guys especially noobe 😃 you helped me a lot

[sacred citrus]

So I can’t do exsang.

[lone junco]

I just make it all up. None of that is true.

[sacred citrus]

I make up my dps.

[lone junco]

My exang is all crit mastery.

[sacred citrus]

With PB

[orchid cove]

@indigo idol you should delay tb for kingsbane if like 5ish sec and you should delay tb by about 8-10secs if vendetta is about to come up

[lone junco]

it works out nicely after mechanics like garothi. where the stuff re-sync after the Bigs

[sacred citrus]

@lone junco SnD is super fun though.

[lone junco]

I held good going into the second Big aoe. but people started trying to kill me with the drops.

turned into 1.9

[sacred citrus]

What fight is that?

Oh garothi.

Right.

You have a pally?

Tank or healer specifically.

[orchid cove]

syld why ?

[sacred citrus]

BoP

For more deeps

[orchid cove]

feint is enough

[sacred citrus]

Why waste a GCD?

Make someone else waste theirs.

Much dippus

[orchid cove]

cause sin as like 45% downtime ? lol

[sacred citrus]

That log is not sin though.

[orchid cove]

thats fine outlaw as downtime too 😃

[sacred citrus]

Uhhh?

Maybe without haste.

[orchid cove]

even with like 10k haste u have like 10-12% downtime

[stable ginkgo]

New to sub. Should I be postponing vanish to be inside of vendetta or pop it along with kB and tb if they’re up

[dense quest]

Time sprint fient

[stable ginkgo]

I mean sin

[orchid cove]

sin ?

depends fight length

usually with vendetta or in your bracers

[sacred citrus]

Save vanish for vendetta yes unless you can get 3 in.

[orchid cove]

@dense quest true didnt think of that monkaS

[dense quest]

Pretty dope cuz no energy spent

[sacred citrus]

I forgot memelaw feints when it sprints.

[orchid cove]

bro that monk with helm / bracers did 2.85 on garothi wtf lo

[sacred citrus]

But I maintain the GCD is better spent by a pally.

Yea.

Some sin rogue did 2.67

PB wasn’t even top damage.

[orchid cove]

pb will never really be your top on st

[sacred citrus]

Lol

[orchid cove]

the dude just had 3pb in bracers

[sacred citrus]

Wot?

[orchid cove]

and 1 in every vendetta

[sacred citrus]

Scroll up.

I had PB almost on every finisher in a fight.

Top damage.

On garothi.

[orchid cove]

sure dude considering you do about 50-60finishers per fights

i doubt you got 60 pbs

[sacred citrus]

83 casts / 3

Errr

84 hits.

The statement that “PB will never be your top damage on ST” seems real bold.

[manic vigil]

FoK you guys

Just saying

[orchid cove]

considering poison bombs tick 6times

you /3 is kinda wrong

your *

[sacred citrus]

Okay you are correct. I just want to know what made you say PB will never be top damage on ST.

[orchid cove]

i mean it can it just wont happen very often and can only really happen if your grp is bad

aka your bracers last 2mins

[sacred citrus]

So these logs of people with 11/11 guilds and their rogues have PB as top damage are bad?

[manic vigil]

This conversation tho

[sacred citrus]

I don’t think it’s fair to base quality of players off of a skill that’s completely random.

[gilded lark]

with the nature of pb you could get one off every single finisher you do

it's rng

so yes

it can happen, even if your group is good

[orchid cove]

considering 4people from his raid do 2m+ dmg and the fight lasted 4mins ya

[gilded lark]

but it's not likely

stop being

[brisk forge]

It can top in a bad grp and a good one, weird argue 💃

[sacred citrus]

Pol you have provided zero quantifiable information to your bold claim ijs.

You have logs of your rogue so I can learn?

[orchid cove]

what do you want to learn ? lol

[sacred citrus]

I mean clearly your a subject matter expert so I want to look at your logs and compare them to mine.

So I can see what I am doing wrong.

[orchid cove]

what can you do wrong when we're talking about pb procs ? lol

[vapid moth]

If the fight lasts 4 min it's real easy to pull 2mill dps. What was the point of that statement

[sacred citrus]

Well PB is my top damage. So clearly I am doing something wrong.

On one of my mythic garothi kills.

[vapid moth]

^

[sacred citrus]

You said PB shouldn’t be top damage on ST. I need to learn your ways.

[shrewd night]

@shrewd oriole

halp

SnD is 40k increase

what do

[manic vigil]

[vapid moth]

Since when does poison bomb tick 6 times

[orchid cove]

always

[sacred citrus]

It doesn’t.

[vapid moth]

The description implies 3

[plain thistle]

last for 3s, tick every 0.5s

😄

[sacred citrus]

It ticks once per seconds.

[orchid cove]

ticks every .5secs for 3secs

[plain thistle]

=

6 ticks

[orchid cove]

6ticks

[sacred citrus]

Second.

[strange python]

Think I may have answered my own question but once you make it past the opener and use TB then Kingsbane, I should be keeping them on CD regardless of if their timers don’t line up, right?

[sacred citrus]

Yes

[vapid moth]

Hmmmm

[sacred citrus]

I’m still awaiting these pro logs.

[vapid moth]

Can't believe I read that wrong all this time

[orchid cove]

i dont raid dude im a heroic warrior show me da way

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/arthas/pølrogue

whut ?

[cold spoke]

[coarse nymph]

you guys

i got a question

[sacred citrus]

I don’t get how in 3 minutes you casted envenom once more than me yet your DP did

[lone junco]

@shrewd night my snd is simming really high. once I get the scourgewing it will be top by like 40k as well.

[sacred citrus]

11m more damage.

[urban storm]

Mastery level?

[lone junco]

7malch? high env uptime. higher mastery

[sacred citrus]

He’s lower Ilvl I doubt he has more mastery. I’m using my phone for all of this it’s not easy to bounce back and forth.

He could but I doubt it.

[urban storm]

How much mastery are you at?

[lone junco]

2.2 varith is pretty good by that ilvl.

[shrewd night]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rNZ2Y5W4juU1C8M6EjXJ5o

[orchid cove]

i told you i was a heroic warrior monkaS

[sacred citrus]

It’s like I get good PB procs but all of my other rng is shit.

[shrewd night]

[sacred citrus]

I am at 194 or 198 before food I don’t remember.

%

[cold spoke]

its malch relics

i have 4 and dp damage is low

[orchid cove]

well your 4pc uptime is really bad

you have like 65%

[sacred citrus]

I have one less than you.

[orchid cove]

2pc*

its not how many you do

[sacred citrus]

Land it’s 77%

[orchid cove]

its a matter of keeping your buff up

[cold spoke]

4pc * 😄

or is it 2 0,

[orchid cove]

its the 2

[cold spoke]

Air

Ait

[sacred citrus]

I’m comparing two of our varimathras kills but I had to cut 15 seconds off of mine.

Since mine was 3:15 and yours was like 3 flat.

[cold spoke]

execute

[orchid cove]

i feel like you just try to spam your envenoms whenever you have 4/5pc

cause your uptime is low

[sacred citrus]

I clip env

The buff.

[cold spoke]

i dont even track envenom, just the buff

[fervent beacon]

You also have to consider into the factor of capping on energy

so sometime you would need to clip

[quick talon]

🍑🍆

[cold spoke]

the buff from set that is

[sacred citrus]

I clip at less than 1 second.

@orchid cove what relics do you run?

[cold spoke]

That Means youre Dropping the set

set is 5s always and doesnt pandemic

[sacred citrus]

Yea I’m dropping energy regen so what?

[orchid cove]

i'm just watching your log itself and sometimes you have 4-5secs of no envenom

you're dropping 35% crit on your poisons

[sacred citrus]

Which fight?

[orchid cove]

my dude

[sacred citrus]

I’m going to make a gigantic WA to track envenomed.

[orchid cove]

do you not track it ? at all

[sacred citrus]

I do.

It’s just small.

[fervent beacon]

I don't because I just keep it up majority of the time

[sacred citrus]

So I am going to make it ridiculously big.

[fervent beacon]

cuz i ain't no cuck for depending on WA to help me dps

Real sin rogue don't need help, you know why?

BECAUSE I WAS RAISED IN THE SEA WITH THE OUTLAWS

[sacred citrus]

Lol

Go away diusus

[fervent beacon]

I just woke up and currently drinking coffee

bear with me

[quick talon]

It’s easier to get 100% uptime on t20 2p if you play alacrity

[keen inlet]

we do not

say

the A word

here

[quick talon]

💯 %

[keen inlet]

because then Don wakes up

with 50 pings in his DM box

[fervent beacon]

Yes dues to Alacrity, you're going to have more energy regen than usual

[hazy flame]

it's all about envenom uptime, that's how you get the rank 1 💯

[keen inlet]

from ppl who are <950 ilvl

[sacred citrus]

A word?

Away?

[keen inlet]

arguing with me about whether alacrity is worth it for them

[quick talon]

Argus

[sacred citrus]

Lol

[keen inlet]

The end

[quick talon]

Tell them friendly

[keen inlet]

I try to be nice

[quick talon]

To ky........

[keen inlet]

because it's easy to see hwo lurkers here might see discussion

and get confused

[sacred citrus]

Don

Tell them to DM me.

You know I’ll handle it.

💪

[keen inlet]

lol

[sacred citrus]

@quick talon you know KYS means keep yourself safe right?

[quick talon]

In that case

It’s

Keep yourself simmed

So they know when alac pulls ahead

[sacred citrus]

Never?

[quick talon]

Dude

[orchid cove]

i mean its pretty close

its like -20k for me

[sacred citrus]

“Pulls ahead”

That’s like pulls out. Ask my wife how that worked out for her.

[cold spoke]

its not always about uptime

i had 85% yday and still barely Orange on vari 😭

[quick talon]

No one plays tb in 2018

Step up your game

[cold spoke]

Not even sure if it was Orange

[sacred citrus]

Woah.

[cold spoke]

thats a lie i play with tb 😛

[sacred citrus]

looks at Warcraft logs

Excuse me the 100s still use it

[quick talon]

Because they don’t know

Imagine playing Tb

And not simming 2,3m

[north vapor]

I personally raid with Deathbringers will and have since wotlk and will never stop. ty

[sacred citrus]

Okay I’m imagining.

[quick talon]

Like what’s the point

[sacred citrus]

But.

[quick talon]

Can aswell play alac

[jovial kite]

imagine having 979 gear and only simming 2.34m

oh right

plays tb

[sacred citrus]

Lel

[quick talon]

👋

[cold spoke]

imagine simming high and doing No damage

[sacred citrus]

🤚

[quick talon]

Cant imagine that

@jovial kite jhonwei probably sims higher on 972 😄

[sacred citrus]

Imagine trying to convince people exsang is good.

[quick talon]

EVEN with TB

[sacred citrus]

Oh wait.

[jovial kite]

no need to convince

[cold spoke]

who cares about exang its aids to use

[jovial kite]

imagine always playing the cookie cutter then parroting the status quo

and never finding out anything except when someone brings a korean log

oh wait 99.5% of the playerbase

[sacred citrus]

You aren’t wrong.

[quick talon]

Imagine not being Korean in 2019

[cold spoke]

there usually is a reason Why cookie cutter specs are most common :=

[jovial kite]

because they are parroted

[quick talon]

Surgery when

[jovial kite]

its been proven its not bis at high ilvl

[cold spoke]

Yeah but it requires to change gear to play exang and

i dont want to LUL

Sims like 4K lower for me i could maybe go for it but i cba

[quick talon]

I would love to play exsang st but my t20 2p sucks

I did play it in tos tho

Arguably before it was cool

[cold spoke]

i have 935 and 945 so itd be fine

[jovial kite]

yeah idd

[hazy flame]

what's was the gear used for the sim?

[jovial kite]

exang by default is less played due to the item restrictions

[strange python]

Is bleed spec better or about the same?

[jovial kite]

its 100k+ better than tb at 980

[strange python]

Oh lol

[hazy flame]

do you still have that sim?

[cold spoke]

do i still need to pandemic rupture before exang

i hated that

[jovial kite]

yeah

[cold spoke]

ree

[jovial kite]

6cp at 9-6

[cold spoke]

i guess you need a lot of crit

[jovial kite]

@hazy flame lemme find that

[cold spoke]

yay master assassin 7/7 looks kinda important to exang build

[jovial kite]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bwxkzrc7FsETNj8pp6C57 this is my 980 exsang sim

unoptimized

used my gear as profile

compared to tyrarolls at 979 is 200k difference

flowi has done 980 comparisons of tb exsang and alac

and tb loses there

[sacred citrus]

Other specs take gear swapping.

[jovial kite]

to both buidls

[cold spoke]

surely 3x bb would be better

[jovial kite]

not at high crit

bb loses value around 50%

havent pinpointed the exact breakpoint

as bb is basically crit

but worse

[cold spoke]

Isnt ut better to drop bit of crit go bb and put stats somewhere else

[jovial kite]

same reason shocklight isnt bis in high ilvl profiles

[cold spoke]

rupture traits are dogshit

[jovial kite]

rupture traits seem to be bis

[cold spoke]

weird

[jovial kite]

and you dont want to drop crit because rupture crit is important

[fervent beacon]

I'm using shocklight because it lead to master ass trait

[jovial kite]

i mean what you suggested could work

[fervent beacon]

which is good because i need more crit

[cold spoke]

i actually have a 975 iron relic which is MA/shock/rupture LUL

[jovial kite]

but i feelycraft its not worth it so i wont put the time for it

[cold spoke]

feelsgood

[jovial kite]

because shocklight gets diminishing returns too

and is not bis

[sacred citrus]

With exsang?

[cold spoke]

over what

[jovial kite]

so id assume the same happens with bb relics

in herodamage profiles shocklight is bis

[cold spoke]

torment?

[jovial kite]

in 980 its not

torment and murderous

[cold spoke]

Will you ever reach 980 tho

Wth t20 2p

[jovial kite]

i got 960 2p

so its definitely possible

[cold spoke]

well good for you

[jovial kite]

idd

[sacred citrus]

I’m almost 973

[cold spoke]

i have 945 and 935

[jovial kite]

ur all set

in my profile

10 ilvls shoulder is 10k dps

so not that big of a deal

so 950 -> 960 means 10k

[sacred citrus]

What legos are you using slang?

[jovial kite]

wrist boots

[sacred citrus]

Slagg*

[cold spoke]

oh No its actually shadowbind

relic ruined

[jovial kite]

exsang is also viable with boots insig if u got low crit

shadowbind is decent

for exsang

i wouldnt play without 2p t20

[sacred citrus]

It’s not.

Stats take over.

[jovial kite]

in herodamage sims high offpieces are pretty much equal

[sacred citrus]

At a point.

[cold spoke]

its so important for exang

[jovial kite]

but i seem to gain around 120k from 2p

[sacred citrus]

Oh

So.

[cold spoke]

since you dont drop rupture

[sacred citrus]

That’s a hard no from me.

[cold spoke]

yy garrote

[sacred citrus]

Not dropping 960 gear to 939

930

[jovial kite]

garrote dmg isnt that big of a deal but you lose energy when you lose garrote uptime

[cold spoke]

@jovial kite whats your stats at that sim?

[jovial kite]

980 or my 971

[cold spoke]

both

values

i guess crit is high

[jovial kite]

stat scale values or just stat values

[cold spoke]

stat values

im curious

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/8f9746032d96e9a88f61575eb3e06d21

980 ^

https://gyazo.com/4ae8f17d0c234aef06d265b99548d40b

actual ^

[cold spoke]

44% crit

[jovial kite]

i got ssf as a trinket also

[cold spoke]

i dont think i can go that high

[onyx falcon]

have any of you guys memed n tried to see how much mastery you can get? XD

[cold spoke]

maybe if i replace vers towards crit

[jovial kite]

i got too much mastery which should be converted 2% to crit and rest versa

[cold spoke]

i guess mastery is still a good star

stat

[jovial kite]

crit > versa > mastery > agi = haste

pretty much

versa and mastery are like 2 points apart

[cold spoke]

same then

[onyx falcon]

o.o amazed vers outsims mast for bleed

[jovial kite]

agi and haste are pretty much equal

[cold spoke]

crit/vers pieces rare

[onyx falcon]

mast > crit > vers > agi > haste

for poison

[jovial kite]

still got only 950 neck.. never gotten the portalkeeper neck

[onyx falcon]

wait agi is the same as haste?! WTF?

[jovial kite]

so thats 1 big upgrade if i get the neck

[cold spoke]

oh ye portal keeper drops vers/mast

[hazy flame]

that gear setup is pretty hard to get tbh

[cold spoke]

yy vers crit

[strange python]

Haste in bfa is going to be sweeeeet

[cold spoke]

and varimathras

crit vers belt

[jovial kite]

yy

i got 960

[onyx falcon]

hayde there is the crit/vers (crit heavy) ring from M+

[orchid cove]

tbh the only thing that restrain me from playing bleed is the lack of a good 2pc

cause it sims like 140k more for me

just no tier 😦

[cold spoke]

m+ tho

i aleays get shit

like haste mastery helmet or sth like that

[orchid cove]

i have 965 crit vers socketed ring PogChamp

[jovial kite]

gief

im jelly

i got 2x 960 crit mast

never lukky

[orchid cove]

the one from mos as well

like 3k crit

[cold spoke]

hardest part is shadow relic that rolls ma on it

[fervent beacon]

I'm running dual vers/mast rings atm

[old quartz]

damn alac is beast lol @viscid helm @gusty kestrel

[orchid cove]

mmh

[fervent beacon]

kys, wtb crit/mast

[old quartz]

gonna run it tonight for m agg

[jovial kite]

alac is great

[cold spoke]

its similar stats i guess

[jovial kite]

yeah

[old quartz]

yea i was tb last night for m vari, parsed 97 but alac is nice with that haste

[jovial kite]

basically equal to exsang

except haste is better

[old quartz]

rockin 45% crit/192 mast

[lone junco]

one day, my 0p4p simmed a bit higher than 2p4p.

[old quartz]

easy 2.6 sustained, its like a joke almost

[lone junco]

so i played it.

but. it isnt pretty.

[jovial kite]

yeah

i think alac apl isnt optimized

[old quartz]

fuck pretty

ill take results

[jovial kite]

flowi did 2.5m aggra

[lone junco]

sim results are different than real

[cold spoke]

alac apl tells me id have 87% uptime

[jovial kite]

which is insane

[old quartz]

it def isnt optimized i dont think

[lone junco]

@cold spoke EP?

[old quartz]

you can literally have 100% i feel

[cold spoke]

and i can pull 85% as tb

on Assa set

[old quartz]

if you truly wanted to clip,clip clip

[lone junco]

there are two columns UPtime and Benefit time

Uptime for me is like 98%

[cold spoke]

985

[cold spoke]

huge uptime LUL

[lone junco]

make sure you are looking at uptime not benefit

[jovial kite]

@old quartz 100% is ez obtainable

[lone junco]

that apl for Ep Alac is not horrible.

[cold spoke]

i am, i know how it works 😄

[orchid cove]

so is serrated edge dogshit ? i presume right

[lone junco]

how did yours get 87%?

[old quartz]

yea for sure @jovial kite

[lone junco]

shit crit?

[cold spoke]

Yeah my crit is garbage

like 28%

[old quartz]

i can get to near 50% crit but then it starts to sim lower

[lone junco]

👀

yeah no ep for you

[cold spoke]

yup

[lone junco]

@jovial kite one of the reasons I like exang over alles, is the peak sync around mechanics.

so good.

[cold spoke]

i kinda dislike exang

alac is bae

[old quartz]

enjoy your day peeps, catch ya l8rs

[lone junco]

at 28% crit, i would too

[cold spoke]

i mean, i never liked it

[orchid cove]

i have more than that as tb monkaS

[jovial kite]

raid starts

brb

[lone junco]

im boned by my 2p20.

will never get 960

[orchid cove]

i dont even have mythic 2pc

well shoulders * that is

[lone junco]

mine is 915/920. still beats 960 non tier.

[orchid cove]

i have 940 socket gloves

i just dont have shoulders

its fine im talking about all that wow rn and imma start no lifing poe tommorow for like a month so rip

[onyx falcon]

noobe, there no M ToS LFGs you can find on your sever?

[strange python]

no, thrall sucks

[lone junco]

havent tried.

guild is talking about going back for fun.

hopefully we could do with 16-18

prob not

[onyx falcon]

theres no poison buddies here this morning =[ besides conner who just popped up

ah you could always pug the last few

just look for decent achieves

[pine brook]

what doi you guys use for mythic plus farming? shoulders, and cape?

[strange python]

hiya

[pine brook]

or cape and bracers?

[orchid cove]

shoulder bracers ^

[pine brook]

out MT isnt the greatest

[onyx falcon]

cape is useless in all cases for sin

[orchid cove]

not sure what that was suppose to mean but yeah

[shrewd oriole]

fellas

I know we rogues but

can we agree

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/736862219707637762/W055DnHH_400x400.jpg

gingi is hot

[strange python]

who

[shrewd oriole]

Gingi

r1 m+ player

[lone junco]

tom has goals. orange paint and brown nips

[strange python]

no face cam

[shrewd oriole]

ahahah

dude Gingi is not a bad goal to have

[onyx falcon]

he isnt #1 m+ player, hes just the best m+ hunter in the world

• hes in method, so prob one of the best hunters in the world in general

[shrewd oriole]

p sure he has the highest score

yeah he does lol

http://prntscr.com/ilhevo

[onyx falcon]

sooo youre saying the other 2 under him dont have the same score as him?

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

they play together

lmao

[onyx falcon]

yea so that doesnt mean he has the highest score

either way im just saying doesnt make him the best M+ player

[shrewd oriole]

what?

[lone junco]

lock portals in the treeesssss

[shrewd oriole]

he has the highest score

@lone junco that's a a different group

ahaha

[lone junco]

Im kidding.

no mage.

[onyx falcon]

do you run M+ at all Tom?

[shrewd oriole]

I do yeah

[onyx falcon]

whats your Mscore

[strange python]

LOL

[shrewd oriole]

not that high, like 4k

lol

[onyx falcon]

yea so about the same as me

[shrewd oriole]

yeah, p average

[onyx falcon]

so you should know either way M score isnt anything

[lone junco]

not avg

[fast nacelle]

"everyone on ravenholdt would be 99,9% parse on average and best m+ player but sadly ravenholdt peebs too busy banging fangirls on yacht in ibiza. tryharding wow is too virgin for ravenholdt peebs"

[shrewd oriole]

I mean, it isnt

[strange python]

that is well above average

[onyx falcon]

but still even if he has the highest score theres other people who play other roles

tanks healers

you can say he might be the best DPS

but not best overall

[shrewd oriole]

I was showing ladder for all positions, number 2 is a tank

[lone junco]

@fast nacelle i would, but too busy banging my face against my desk in my work cube

[strange python]

the score is not role specific...?

[fast nacelle]

m+ score doesnt mean anything. everyone can play 27-28 keys

[shrewd oriole]

I think he's the best overall personally but that's just my opinion

[lone junco]

27 seat makes my skin crawl.

with more vomit

[fast nacelle]

m+ easy - just too time consuming for ravenholt fellas. no achievement there

[shrewd oriole]

there are no 27 seats

[lone junco]

and I dont even know.

[shrewd oriole]

so dont worry lmao

[lone junco]

is that "too much"

like 1shot by the slimes

[fervent beacon]

if i had a body like gingi, i'd stream +/raid with no shirt on for $$$$

which I pretty much almost done, just need to eat less shit and more cardio

[fast nacelle]

if i had a body like gingi i d stream on a different platform

[fervent beacon]

but cardio

[lone junco]

tuna and water for breakfast lunch and then 200 hard boiled eggs for dinner

k go

mustard is for dessert

[fast nacelle]

i got 2 hard boiled eggs for you

[shrewd oriole]

Gingi's body is goals dude I swear

[lone junco]

only If i get to smash them first

[fast nacelle]

10/10

[shrewd oriole]

dunno I think 4k is p average for a mythic raider

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/idiocracy-mike-jude-3o7TKwVQMoQh2At9qU

[shrewd oriole]

20's are so easy in mythic gear and you get like 4k with full 20's

sprinkle in a few 23's

[lone junco]

man we are fucking cockblocked on 15/16s. that is our cap.

but we are really bad

[fervent beacon]

Doing 15 since ToS

[fast nacelle]

i think i did 23's in time with randoms 2 months back. prob quite easy to push everything to 25+ with premade group in sang. fortified week

[lone junco]

I would lover a 18 upper Fort

but only get upper on tyr weeks

Giggles tank did yell at me for not LoS in the right spot.

[supple hearth]

Lol

[shrewd oriole]

giggle has booly friends

[lone junco]

im finally done crying about that run.

[shrewd oriole]

what did I expect..

[lone junco]

warlocks can eat poop

[supple hearth]

Proofs????? @shrewd oriole

[fast nacelle]

score is pretty fucked up anyway - you cant push in tyrannical weeks and tyrannical doesnt give more score

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/ilhj6a

[supple hearth]

Was he wrong tho

[fast nacelle]

this shit about rating is dumb since its reduced to 2 fortified ids where you can push without any big effort if you have gear

[lone junco]

i was not prepared for pulls of 12-20 things

[quick talon]

Tyra 👋

[supple hearth]

Rating doesn't really matter above 2kish

[quick talon]

Giggle 👋

[supple hearth]

As long as you can get into pugs

@quick talon ily

[quick talon]

Who doesn’t

[supple hearth]

Have my children

[keen inlet]

holy shiv it's a Giggle

[supple hearth]

Don blush

[keen inlet]

I can retire

[lone junco]

:shiv:

[fast nacelle]

@quick talon 🤘🏿

[keen inlet]

😸

[lone junco]

Don is bear boi now.

[keen inlet]

nah

I was

trying to

play Balance

using aethys' rotation helper

good lord that is a weird spec

doesn't help that all the icons look the same

[lone junco]

@supple hearth Monk heals 6/10? or are they really pretty good?. i need a T/H/D or Tank/Heal or heal/Dps combo for bfa. looking at druid or monk.

[keen inlet]

(was hording gear for the bear spec tho)
(got thrash leggo btw. Main tank bear was so mad)

[supple hearth]

For pve they are meh

[lean hill]

Tom there's 2500 people in the world who have 4k or higher m+

[keen inlet]

(It's not my fault he doesn't farm leggos/play outside of raid)

[supple hearth]

They don't have alot of utility

[lone junco]

damn.

[lean hill]

So.... 4k is way up therec

[lone junco]

bubble seems nice, but the Big heal seems to have been fucked after WoD.

[quick talon]

Those 2500 are probably the only people left to play m+

[lone junco]

revival was 💸

[quick talon]

Ded Game

Poe 3.2.0 soon

[lean hill]

I do some m+

[orchid cove]

ikr

[lone junco]

😴 poe

[orchid cove]

what u playing iwin

?

[lean hill]

I'm 2500, ranked 10k

Oops I lied

43k

And really, half the dungeons don't drop shit for you so you don't run them.

You could m+ all day every day and still only be 2k due to how the system works

[strange python]

you dont run high m+ for gear , you run it for the challenge, thats why the system is totally fine

[lean hill]

I run it for gear

Its not a challenge now, it's a min max. What classes are best in what dungeon vs what affix

[strange python]

thats def no true, only when u aim for 25+ keys

otherwise every class is fine

[lone junco]

I only have 1 class. I just run the affix. good/bad/ugly. some groups we dont even have brez. :rip:

[lean hill]

The only people who play constantly in my guild are all melee

So we have fun in m+

[lone junco]

mostly melee. 1 arcane mage.

[strange python]

then play with some guys outside ur guild

[lone junco]

and carry some shitter pugs? nah.

at least we finish 2m2m2m for the instance.

[lean hill]

Yea fuck pugs. Either pay for a key or carry some shitters

No in between any more

[tough ridge]

Evening! :)
I have now moved on from Fanged tier 4set with increased Garrote damage.

1. Should I still use Subterfuge or should I move back to Nightstalker?
2. Would 2set Fanged tier be worth it without Subterfuge?
   (Daaé - Argent Dawn)

[woven onyx]

Has our aoe changed now? Im late back to assassination, and I used to just spam FoK and alt tab Rupture. Now do we FoK with envenom for t21 bonus?
I think I read it on a post on mmo-champ but lost the thread

[orchid cove]

@quick talon what are you gonna play btw ?

[lone junco]

@tough ridge hi dee. subterfudge is fine. run 4p21 for sure. Shoulders get you to use NS. but other that it is prob a wash.

[tough ridge]

Got shoulders, wrist, head, boots, stuff. Using Shoulders and Wrists atm.

[lone junco]

shoulder bracer 4p21 is MP/NS/ TB

you can sim all that stuff on raidbots.

[tough ridge]

I use AmR best in bags, but they want me to use 2 set Fanged. Not sure what that gives me, since it's not the 4 set.

[lean hill]

Uh oh

[quick talon]

yea im am going to play

not sure what build tho

[tough ridge]

The DPS feels the same, but I have been used to an OP Garrote now, and the Sin guide does not mention NS in the openers 😛 Maybe it's not so good after all?

[lean hill]

What guide are you reading?

[tough ridge]

Will try it out with more mastery/crit rather than Fanged 2set bonus.

Sin guide - it only mentions with/without shoulders

etc

[lone junco]

@tough ridge amr bib gets you to about +/- 1% of your best. If you have 4p21, hat/cloak/chest/leg use them

[fervent beacon]

I'm using NS with env because of mantle making env hit harder than rupture tick

[lone junco]

only time you will use 2p4p is bracer boots.

(ish)

[fervent beacon]

I think the highest I got was like 13m env so far with NS

[lone junco]

under no (very very unlikely) circumstances will you use 2p2p if you have access to 4p21.

[tough ridge]

I see

Thank you guys. Though I'm only 944 ilvl atm, and the tiers aren't high at all. Do we agree that t21 is Fanged? ::P

[lean hill]

T21 is scoundrel, t20 was fanged slayers

[strange python]

13m envenom monkaS

[tough ridge]

Oh okay. I have 2p t21 and 4p tier 20 available.

[lean hill]

Get that 4p t21

[strange python]

I do that when I vanish envenom the argus poison add... Lol

[tough ridge]

I will! o7

Ty a lot

[fervent beacon]

The boss had like 200% damage debuff so I save all my CD for that big dick dps on it

[quick talon]

200%?

which

[fervent beacon]

The last boss in seat

during the backlash phase

[quick talon]

o m+

[tough ridge]

The poison add ❤

[fervent beacon]

Carrying + as usual

[strange python]

Poisoning add?

[fervent beacon]

On Argus, yes

[lean hill]

The one that takes more nature damage

[fervent beacon]

All the adds will have specific debuff for damage instead, so 200% holy, nature, shadow, fire, etc.

[strange python]

[fervent beacon]

in P3.

[tough ridge]

Which one is prio after that add btw? Doesn't matter right?

[strange python]

Where is this

P3

I feel dumb

[fervent beacon]

Doesn't matter, but ideally you want to focus on the add that suit to your damage

so sin, you want to jump on nature

[tough ridge]

Aye

[lean hill]

Melee is probably dead by then so whatever one might not have someone on it to interupt

[strange python]

[manic vigil]

[jovial kite]

2.4m p1 p2 argus

2.7m execute and wipe

feelsamazing man

[manic vigil]

That thing is killing my mobile client iwin

[strange python]

opener without shoulders is as normal garrote mutilate rupture mutilate env kingsbane vendetaa keep bleeds up toxic blade five secs after kb

? just wondering noxxic donly had opener with shoulders

[manic vigil]

[lone junco]

@viscid helm best part about the alacrity build, is that Icyveins had alacrity all tier. they just recently changed it back.

we had ilvl 900 nubs coming in talking about alacrity. @ Furty#3918 was an accidental prophet.

[manic vigil]

Flowi

[fervent beacon]

@viscid helm is your log hidden? I'm trying to show @pliant tusk that alacrity isn't a meme

[viscid helm]

All our logs are private.

[lone junco]

I ran some Ep anti alac. it was slow as snail snot.

dps was fine. but between vendettas got pretty slow

[manic vigil]

Not that our primitive non-Finn brains could comprehend them anyway

[lone junco]

20iq

My t20 is pretty low, so i expect the Ep poison builds to leave my exang in the dust. hasnt happened yet, but its getting close.

[manic vigil]

Alacrity power 💪

I don't have good gloves or shoulder off pieces. Pretty sure that's why my crappy t20 still sims highest

Mantle setup is coming closer again as well

[lone junco]

I dont enjoy shoulders for sin, but i sure hate subterfuge with no 2p20

garrote is Always down when vanish comes around. and the vanish is never close to vendetta

[manic vigil]

True, both

[lone junco]

bleh

jump off the shovel

@keen inlet ^

Toxic Intoxication lol

[manic vigil]

The weak exploit

That is from translating translations right?

[zealous dew]

that intoxication

[fervent beacon]

Yes it is

[manic vigil]

Dem Tod von der Schippe springen 🇩🇪

[quick talon]

Whats the alacrity translation ?

[shrewd oriole]

jump off the shovel

[quick talon]

tom 👋

[shrewd oriole]

👋

farm time

[manic vigil]

[quick talon]

farm time ?

[dire spoke]

tom

[quick talon]

what u farming m8

[manic vigil]

[shrewd oriole]

raid

[quick talon]

🤢

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/ilicdm

in for everything apart from coven

[quick talon]

any chicks in your guild tom ?

[shrewd oriole]

kill me

there were two

until this morning

now there's one

[dire spoke]

fuck my highforged gloves ...

[quick talon]

Did u scare the one off?

[shrewd oriole]

nah she was trash lol

feral druid and a bad one at that

never got a spot

was told she was gonna get demoted but GM told her she could get CE cuz of the time they took to decide on her trial

she called him a cunt and insta left

after he ofered her free CE lmao

[quick talon]

damn your GM was thirsty

[shrewd oriole]

lots of attitude issues

entitled bitch

[quick talon]

he probably asked for nudes

hence the "cunt"

[shrewd oriole]

[quick talon]

i mean

who doesnt ask for nudes in 2018 right?

[dire spoke]

https://snag.gy/SEANig.jpg

[quick talon]

there's no way

[safe matrix]

I'm sorry but

TROLL

[quick talon]

you'll get off the 985 haste

[fervent beacon]

Did you try simming with...ALACRITY?

[quick talon]

gloves

[dire spoke]

👺

[quick talon]

They arent too bad

its not sooo much haste

[safe matrix]

TROLL rogue 🤔

[quick talon]

mastery still mainstat iirc

[dire spoke]

yeah

I wish there was vers on it

I mean

could delete them and pretend it never dropped

[quick talon]

Well i have to play with

965 coven hands

🤷🏿

[dire spoke]

I could try other build

[manic vigil]

Troll?!

Wut

[dire spoke]

oh gawd how could I

[manic vigil]

:disappointed:

[viscid helm]

@shrewd oriole @quick talon what u gonna play tomorrow

[quick talon]

STOP IT

[manic vigil]

Playing horde and not being a hot grill belf

[quick talon]

Oh I havent told you, i cant play tmrw

gotta start saturday

also flowi you told me its starting 3/3

fucking hell

[shrewd oriole]

@viscid helm depends

if I can get a party I wanted to go ascendant support

[viscid helm]

well depends where u live

[warm parcel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ifztPR90k
@quick talon

[shrewd oriole]

Portugal but I can play whatever realm tbh

I never get more than 40 ping

what realm do you paly

[viscid helm]

no i meant IWin

[shrewd oriole]

oh

[quick talon]

yea what realm do we go

germany

[viscid helm]

spazzing out about release day

[shrewd oriole]

amsterdamn

london

idk

[gritty anchor]

guys what's pandemic?

[dire spoke]

play on frostwolf / blackrock EU for full autism

[jovial kite]

argus p1 and p2

96% ep uptime

[shrewd oriole]

dont really care about what gateway we play on

you starting on launch flowi?

[viscid helm]

yeh

[quick talon]

😦

[shrewd oriole]

what you playing?

[viscid helm]

either SST or DP

[alpine bison]

outlaw rogue here, what is better, poison or bleed build

[shrewd oriole]

excuse my retardness

what's SST?

[dire spoke]

super singletarget

[viscid helm]

Spect Shield Throw

[shrewd oriole]

ah fair

isnt DP trash now

after the change

[viscid helm]

pure selfcast is

[shrewd oriole]

you going skelly bros?

[viscid helm]

ye

[fervent beacon]

poe trash meme

[shrewd oriole]

I like playing support but I need some people with builds that benefit from it

[quick talon]

I really dont know 😦

SST is fine tho

or RT SST deadeye

[shrewd oriole]

SST looks decent yeah

[quick talon]

@warm parcel That song is 👌🏿

[gritty anchor]

hey guys, so... im new at rogue and i was checking out the assa pre pull and it said something about "pandemic" do u mind explain me whats that?

[viscid helm]

Why are u watching weak

[quick talon]

I was talking about the one he linked in here earlier

[warm parcel]

😠

toxic flowi

[shrewd night]

@shrewd oriole https://clips.twitch.tv/VenomousBrightCaribouEleGiggle

[manic vigil]

I'll tune in when I get home as well @warm parcel

Flowi is such a hater, he must really like you

[quick talon]

@warm parcel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6BDmTHyWKw

[strange python]

@gritty anchor Read this forum post. Should clear some things up. 😁 If you have any other questions, just message me. https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2145373-What-is-Pandemic

[shrewd oriole]

2.5M on garothi

feels farm man