assassination

[quick talon]

What is a hipster racist

[dire spoke]

@crystal fox

[manic vigil]

that means that you are not actually racist but you think it's funny to pretend to be to trigger people

(like me)

[quick talon]

Im not trying to trigger anyone

[manic vigil]

[quick talon]

It’s just you should be able to make fun of everything

[manic vigil]

maybe yes

[quick talon]

It’s the People that make things racist

Like my avatar states

[manic vigil]

not denying that you have a point

it's hard to explain actually

[quick talon]

I literally get accused of being racist

When I call people ape or monkey

sooo 🤷

[manic vigil]

that I actually find funny

like all those WAs to not release

idk I hate the PC crowd as well, it's just not that simple apparently

[quick talon]

Best bet is

[ripe dock]

Well I'm glad somebody cleared that up

[keen inlet]

"Assination"

[ripe dock]

LOL

[keen inlet]

MMO-C

forums

oforums

etc

good lord

[manic vigil]

I mean the advice is not all bad

but yeah

assination rouges tho, amiright

[quick talon]

Idk about the fok „3x regardless of cp“

[manic vigil]

yeah that one not so much

why is that btw?

for the uptime of 2pc?

[quick talon]

Probably yea, and I can see that being true at a certain number of enemies

[plain thistle]

lol, opening with garrote on AoE

[quick talon]

Yea indeed

[manic vigil]

that's also interesting yeah

[plain thistle]

its better to rupture 1-2 targets than using garrote on AoE

[quick talon]

He just says how bad bleeds are

And still using garrote with t21 4p

I pretty much stopped multibleeding,too

At 3-4 enemies

[manic vigil]

yeah

I weave it in for energy sometimes

with alacrity you propbably don't even need any bleeds

[dire spoke]

missing bleeds leads to pregante

[manic vigil]

you can do better than that

[hearty arch]

do you guys vendetta on the opener for m kin with 3 vendetta relics?

or hold ofr add

[quick talon]

I save vend for the first add

[dire spoke]

I used to open with Vendetta, but you start with CDs on the add super late and have even less vend uptime on it

[plain thistle]

save for the first add

[manic vigil]

dat latency jhonwei

[plain thistle]

watching my stream ?

😂

yeah, thats my normal ping

actually no, im lagging a bit

normal is 160-170

[manic vigil]

yeah I was tuning in. Missed your last stream 😃

[hearty arch]

so if you hold vendetta, does that change the opener at all?

[manic vigil]

of course I don't understand a word you guys are saying but that's alright

[hearty arch]

no right?

[molten flicker]

ofc it changes opener

[plain thistle]

yeah, got rank1 coven last stream, but VoD was off 😦

[molten flicker]

you have less energy

[dire spoke]

uni never watches my stream

[quick talon]

So many famous streamer

[manic vigil]

You stream as well

Link it to meeeee

I'll only watch if you kick Tom's ass tho

[plain thistle]

@manic vigil did you watched the kill? bad try 😦

lagging and I played really bad

[dire spoke]

@manic vigil I'm right at Tom's ass https://snag.gy/46MtCN.jpg

[plain thistle]

oh no zempai

he ignored us

that lovely dude

[manic vigil]

I'm not ignoring you guys, relaaaax

I'm watching a documentary about death row with an interviewer who might have the worst of all german accents

[bright girder]

do we go green on argus ?

[manic vigil]

we never go not green

[dire spoke]

green?

ohh

nvmd

[edgy herald]

anyone know if shadowmeld buffs rupture or garrote like vanish does?

[foggy lotus]

question with assasinatin rogue is the best food to use the feast or the 375 mastery food?

[manic vigil]

quick maff

[marble hemlock]

sim yourself, get your statweights, do quick maff

[manic vigil]

[marble hemlock]

and remember, mans not fok

not anymore 😦

[strange python]

feelsbadman

[dire spoke]

sim is feelycraft, read noxxic guide

[rancid bobcat]

Is there something going on with nightstalker damage buff not applying sometimes?

Another rogue is my guild is seeing his opener vanish+envenom fluctuating wildly from 4 mil to 7 mil

[hearty arch]

pb procs?

[dire spoke]

BotA procs?

[rancid bobcat]

No it's the envenom hit fluctuating

Not the overall dps

[old quartz]

based off PB procs on his / her opener

[rancid bobcat]

It's always a 5 cp envenom with TB up

????

wait what's fang again

o

He says it's not

Err, it's not the buffs causing the variance

[dire spoke]

@noble anvil get better gear?

[still steeple]

Is he vanishing after the envenom maybe?

[rancid bobcat]

pulling it up

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N87Xq6Z9mKMbBcPd

it's empy in the logs

aight

well we're raiding right now

i'll get you when i can

[dire spoke]

his env hits for 1.5 - 2.5 or am I blind

am I retarded

lol

where do you see how high it hit

[supple hearth]

^^ hi kaite

[cosmic ginkgo]

agility or mastery food? mastery at 193 now

[old quartz]

sim weights

[supple hearth]

@cosmic ginkgo depends on ur stat weights but prob masteryu

[old quartz]

and eat accordingly

[cosmic ginkgo]

sweet thanks

[old quartz]

ya

parsed 97 TB on imonar

err vari

lol

[dire spoke]

couldve been 100 with pb

♿

I'm actually still looking for the spot to hover

[devout hollow]

can you write a quick explanation of that gif

[manic vigil]

[devout hollow]

n-not for me of course

[manic vigil]

here's your special treatment @dire spoke ♿

[devout hollow]

[rancid bobcat]

you have to caress the bar with your pointer very gently to make ti appear

[manic vigil]

btw kaite's avatar is triggering me

soo bouncy

[devout hollow]

is my monitor supposed to be turned on during this

eh

someone else can figure it out

[dire spoke]

well yeah that works when pull env is actually highest

which is not always the case

[devout hollow]

HUH?

say you have 5cp on pull, do you open rupture or envenom

with shoulders ofc

[dire spoke]

I'd probably go with what's written in the guide

[devout hollow]

so garrote?

w-whats the meaning of that carrot

[manic vigil]

guide is written by a bunny - carrot is being suggested - coincidence?

[devout hollow]

it also sounds like garrote

xd

[rancid bobcat]

yeah guess so

[devout hollow]

dont thinking me

[dire spoke]

[rancid bobcat]

other guy doesn't believe it's just procs so 🤷

[manic vigil]

don't underuse btw

[rancid bobcat]

[devout hollow]

[dire spoke]

Tisumi must be thinking I'm stupid, I was just looking for the specific graph

[devout hollow]

so envenom, garrote mut rupture, vendetta TB KB Mut vanish Envenom

[manic vigil]

digital vibrance? sounds dirty

[devout hollow]

with 5cp starting

idk ive been opening rupture, but I will try out envenom

thing is with 5cp starting I can fit that last envenom inside the shoulders

[dire spoke]

are you even green or red

[manic vigil]

fair enough

it's red for me as well 🤷

some call it pink tho

[dire spoke]

for me it's littlegirlscolor

[devout hollow]

pink doesnt exist

its just light red

👁 stay woke

[manic vigil]

yeah I want that too

best color

[dire spoke]

I want to be black

[keen inlet]

[manic vigil]

don

[keen inlet]

!o

[manic vigil]

time for a mutiny! once we rule this discord we can assign every color we want to ourselves!

[keen inlet]

Di' dicjvj fific.

[dire spoke]

this shitty mouse bug in wow

is triggering me

[manic vigil]

oh you have that as well

[devout hollow]

nice i just got it a few days ago too

[manic vigil]

friggin triggering me

[dire spoke]

well it's not a real bug, only display

mouse did that anyway

[manic vigil]

still sucks donkey balls

[dire spoke]

ye

[devout hollow]

i think theres different ones

[dire spoke]

brain goes WHERE AM I MOVING NOW

[manic vigil]

na the cursor freakin out and sticking to the center of the screen when you hold lmb or rmb

[devout hollow]

either super high sensitivity, or the cursor not disappearing when you hold it down, or the cursor snapping to center of screen while holding it down

[manic vigil]

^

[devout hollow]

ive had all 3

[dire spoke]

cursor always snapped to center, it just always got hidden until now

is what I'm guessing

[devout hollow]

Restarting has fixed it for me but

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20749065013

theres also this thread

with a cvar script

that some people have reported as working (not me)

[dire spoke]

I just took out the pixel in the middle of the screen

cursor gone

[stiff barn]

anyone run sims for allied races dps?

[dire spoke]

it's on herodamage

(or are you asking for the additional input)

Bay trying so hard on argus M rn

[dire spoke]

I want snacks

but I don't have any

[jovial kite]

[dire spoke]

what the HECK

I swear to god my guild is just all double standards

[civic palm]

?

[jovial kite]

[dire spoke]

our ex RL who just was a dick after a while is actually not only back in the guild (we ditched him)

[jovial kite]

@midnight latch

[dire spoke]

he got access to the raid channel in discord too???

gonna ask what's up with that

coming closer to gquit boi

I can't handle this bullshittery much longer

[crystal fox]

maybe you raiders need some dickin

[dire spoke]

not that sort of dickin tho

we don't need trouble and shit behaviour

all he did was calling out bigwigs timers

#1 RLing

[manic vigil]

[midnight latch]

@jovial kite

[manic vigil]

[midnight latch]

is don asleep?

can we talk about alacrity here now?

[manic vigil]

Sure

[dire spoke]

how was vari going

I fell asleep

[midnight latch]

we killed it thank god

[dire spoke]

whew

[midnight latch]

but coven reprogress

was just

._.

[dire spoke]

you can watch me wipe on vari reprogress tomorrow, to bring back memories you know

[midnight latch]

T.T

ptsd intensifies

[dire spoke]

ente 🦆

[midnight latch]

duck'nsifies

[warm parcel]

🦆

[midnight latch]

@warm parcel mornin'

[warm parcel]

Just stabbing around

[viscid helm]

Nice vari progress naya

Fell a sleep

[jovial kite]

same

It was so tedious i almost overslept in the morning

[warm parcel]

Oof

[midnight latch]

😢

the bully is real

I am sorry it was not entertaining for you

next time I am gonna stream coms with weak

[strange python]

if i renew a rupture from a nightstalker proc with non nightstalker, does the 7 second left on nightstalker rupture stay with the renewed rupture dmg?

[dire spoke]

nightstalker proc

[strange python]

also if i pop vendetta when i have kingsbane and toxicblade on target already, does the amplified dmg work on it?

yeah when you vanish an proc nightstalker

[midnight latch]

yeah vendetta amps every damage currently on the target

[strange python]

ok

[jovial kite]

Good to hear naya. An aspiring streamer always listens to his viewerbase, adapts to it and overcomes!

[midnight latch]

@strange python if you go here http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ and on the top you have FAQ second one is your question

also to answer your nightstalker question go to Opener and Rotation

at the bottom there is explained what to do with nightstalker and rupture

[strange python]

the bottom of the faq?

[midnight latch]

No at the top go to openers and rotation

and at the bottom is the nightstalker rupture

[buoyant lichen]

anyone here played ass for M argus?

[midnight latch]

on the FAQ page is the vendetta question

[viscid helm]

Everyone?

Who the f plays sub lol

[midnight latch]

@jovial kite will be tricky thou cant bitch on stream you never know who is watching

[buoyant lichen]

subs great dont hate but i have a mythic argus question

[quick ice]

Ask away

[buoyant lichen]

been running shoulders/bracers and I'm wondering what benefit boots bring to it and if there are any requirements for boots. Is it for the extra vendettas when buffs are up at start?

or for more vendettas to deal with orbs or something?

[jovial kite]

@midnight latch

[dire spoke]

[viscid helm]

Pretty sure there is nothing special about boots on argus

But then again were just casual plebs here, doubt anyone has even killed argus

[dire spoke]

@strange python pandemic is the effect of adding new uptime to the remaining

[midnight latch]

if you refresh a dot at 30% remaining duration you get that duration added to the new dot

thats essentially it

[warm parcel]

@jovial kite

Tos today?

[midnight latch]

I forgot that the guide was aimed for advanced ppl and we dont answer basic questions in that

@gaunt moat

[viscid helm]

"Advanced"

It says play TB

[midnight latch]

[gaunt moat]

It's meant for Übermensch

[jovial kite]

@warm parcel possibly after argus

[midnight latch]

you sound so german Notter

I love it

[jovial kite]

Farm looked like there was minimal sperg

So we might kill argus today in a few pulls

[midnight latch]

@dire spoke well are you?

[dire spoke]

four

[solid citrus]

anyone know if its a wa or in elvui for the debuff on the constellar adds on argus to show above their nameplates

[viscid helm]

WA

[solid citrus]

do you know the name of it?>

[gilded lark]

i thought dbm did it

[solid citrus]

I use big wigs

[gilded lark]

i have no WA for it, they show up for me

well there's your problem

[dire spoke]

broad likes to get called little girl

[gilded lark]

[dire spoke]

run little girl

[viscid helm]

Dbm user

[gilded lark]

our raid lead uses big wigs

timers always off

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dire spoke]

'last updated 2016'

kappa

[solid citrus]

Hmm anyone know the wa ?

[dire spoke]

whew if only we could search for constellar on wago

[solid citrus]

dw i found it

[gilded lark]

[gaunt moat]

@midnight latch i've played wolfestein a lot. so i'm basically german now.

[gilded lark]

wrong kind of german

[gaunt moat]

That's what an unerwünscht would say

[midnight latch]

😮

[mint vortex]

my guild mates dont belive me when i say assassination is better in antorus than sub

am i wrong?

[jovial kite]

Üntermensch.. pathetisch

[dire spoke]

[jovial kite]

@mint vortex Ur right

Ur friend is stupid

[mint vortex]

lmao

like half the guild thought i was wrong

i was actually doubting myself

[dire spoke]

all specs are viable

[jovial kite]

Ok ur guild is stupid

[mint vortex]

yeah im not saying that sub is bad by any means

even outlaw can be viable with good gear

[dire spoke]

I swear to god I will loop the renai circulation song on vari tonight until it's dead

[midnight latch]

does your guild know a page called warcraftlogs?

@dire spoke listen to raul gilette all day

[dire spoke]

better run here we come

[midnight latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkX8pKULaHY

this one

[warm parcel]

I blast gilette 24/7

[quick talon]

Nerds

[midnight latch]

nerd

[quick talon]

👋

Pretty early didn’t expect team 🎷 to be around

[warm parcel]

Naa been awake a good while

[quick talon]

Yea I didn’t sleep, yet

Soooon

[fervent beacon]

Sleeping are for cucks

[quick talon]

Gotta rock ow league today

[dire spoke]

sleep is for the

[jovial kite]

we woke fam

Stay woke

[dire spoke]

http://vid.pr0gramm.com/2018/02/28/815a7e84468961da.mp4

[quick talon]

Do not

_

Share

[dire spoke]

shhh

[quick talon]

pr0s a weeb station now? Fuck

It got bad after they removed irc reg

[warm parcel]

Is that shit sfw

[quick talon]

It is

Sadly

[dire spoke]

grab your lolis

[quick talon]

Pr0gramm used to be nsfw only

Zempai

[dire spoke]

I don't farm benis

[quick talon]

U still need an invite to create an account ?

[dire spoke]

ye

[warm parcel]

What is programm even 🤔

[dire spoke]

we don't talk about it

[warm parcel]

Aha

Dark past?

[dire spoke]

more like #1 rule of fight club

[quick talon]

Well, its the best german hosted site out there. It’s basically just memes mixed with nsfw and nsfl stuff

But nsfw/nsfl stuff only visible if you have an account

[dire spoke]

@midnight latch want to be my loli?

[midnight latch]

[dire spoke]

[quick talon]

Zempai do you even have an account ?

[dire spoke]

no I can't stelz

[quick talon]

Damn, should visit it again see what’s up

[jovial kite]

thats some cheese pizza right there

Dont click

[warm parcel]

Huh

[dire spoke]

I snook my way into pr0 by removing subdomain and file path from the link

the moment when you know how to interweb

[warm parcel]

👺

[simple python]

Is it okay if I always go Kingsbane > 5 seconds > Toxic Blade?

[zealous dew]

nop

[simple python]

So guide says 5 seconds

that means from cooldown or cast?

like 10 seconds on kingsbane = wait

[viscid helm]

TB cd is 25

KB is over 30s

[gaunt moat]

@simple python the guide also clearly says this:
Do not delay your Toxic Blade more than 5 seconds waiting for Kingsbane.

[simple python]

Yes I was trying to figure out from hmm

hard to explain

in my mind either 10 seconds measn wait or 5

because you should wait 5 eitherway for the last 9 seconds of KB no?

IF it lines up

[gaunt moat]

just don't delay TB. don't overthink it.

[dire spoke]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ohdY5OaQmUmVW/giphy.gif

[quick talon]

wow

webm‘s with sound

Is this 2019

[simple python]

Use Toxic Blade either the last 8 seconds of Kingsbane duration or on cooldown. Well guide says both right?

So if KB and TB are both ready, still do KB > TB instantly ?

or KB > 5s fillers > TB

[gaunt moat]

if both are ready, i use TB before.

cause again, don't delay it.

you're overthinking it.

[molten flicker]

I wish I could think

maybe one day

[dire spoke]

waiwaiwaiwait

I also got this 'rule' wrong then LUL

I mostly covered last 8s of KB if both is ready

[simple python]

Cause that when KB damage is highest yes? its really not worth waitign the 5s? lol

I get if they dont align ok. But if theyre close like 5s

[dire spoke]

well KB has an initial hit

[simple python]

Yeah

[molten flicker]

tb has an initial hit

[simple python]

Hmmm good point

Yeah I guess buffing either one

Ok thanks guys

[viscid helm]

[quick talon]

Oh god it’s flowi

Playing his 🎸

[strange python]

I don't see the point of this discussion when alac is meta

[simple python]

define alac

[strange python]

Alacrity.

the period is very important there

[zealous dew]

alacrity 😄

[dire spoke]

can't be meta

not crity enough

[strange python]

guys, start simming yourselfes

[zealous dew]

for patchwerk? sure

[dire spoke]

oh did weak finally break the apl

[strange python]

i believe Flowi is messing the sim code

to make alac top sim

[quick talon]

The only thing he is messing with

Is his crippling depression

[viscid helm]

[dire spoke]

https://snag.gy/uGjbyq.jpg

[quick talon]

snag.gy wtf

[dire spoke]

I like short links

[quick talon]

Works over soon

Can finally sleep 😴

@gaunt moat schedule fix when

[safe matrix]

Just pre cloak the sleep

Then you'll be Gucci

👌

[viscid helm]

6h left

[fervent beacon]

[warm parcel]

Flowi doing apl

Best joke 2018

And no. I didnt get alac above tb. Got 30k more still being behind my tb

[jovial kite]

I think the apl could be adjusted

To higher ep 2p uptime

not sure if u tried it already @warm parcel or is the alac already optimized

And final

[safe matrix]

So what would make alac better than tb?

[warm parcel]

Nop

Not worth

[safe matrix]

I've missed all the theory crafting over the past couple days

[dire spoke]

you hardly kill vari with alac obviously

[quick talon]

Theorycrafting on alacrity

[jovial kite]

i played alac on high command

Was smoot as fuck

[zealous dew]

alacrity 😄

[jovial kite]

But got no lucky pb

[quick talon]

„Omg everyone plays either Tb or exsang, gotta go full hipster“

Done

[safe matrix]

What about alacrity for AoE?

[jovial kite]

basically had the baseline dmg for all of the fight

Its good

[dire spoke]

you mean that lucky? https://snag.gy/QibStg.jpg

[jovial kite]

I mean

Alac is viable

And i personally dont understand why youd want to play the cookie cutter for the whole expansion

Nothing memey about trying everything

And its turning out the cookie cutter isnt even the best at the end

[civic palm]

Yeah like DFA.

[strange python]

Haste is a fcking meme stat until BfA

[civic palm]

The stat sure.

Alacrity is not HASTE though.

[jovial kite]

Its not if u play alacrity

[strange python]

Only reason you'd wanna go haste is to be the fastest player wow has ever seen

get the poke-reference

[jovial kite]

My alac has haste > agi

It scales really well

[zealous dew]

so use sephuz

instead of bracers

[warm parcel]

Yeah it scales a bit better

And is more enjoyable and fast

[civic palm]

Yeah it should be.

[warm parcel]

But its worse 🤷

[civic palm]

Like that year where DS was better but Vigor was "better".

[warm parcel]

And on aoe alac is meaningless

Haste has negative value on aoe

[strange python]

@jovial kite does that only apply from a certain ilvl? like if you're running 950 hast < agi ?

[jovial kite]

970

My profile

[quick talon]

Man the last time i said haste has negative value on aoe

[strange python]

not your ilvl

asking in general

[jovial kite]

dont know.. ask flowi

[strange python]

does the ilvl make haste viable? or alac?

[quick talon]

People tried to shit on me 😦

[strange python]

ahahhahahaha

[jovial kite]

Hes the alac main man

Oh

[warm parcel]

I mean it used to sim negative for the longest due to apl

[jovial kite]

Alac makes haste viable

But its ilvl too

[warm parcel]

But its like
Mas 95.6
Haste 0.17

[quick talon]

Yea I had negative haste stat weights

[warm parcel]

On mass aoe

[quick talon]

Literally -2

Ish

[civic palm]

h a

[warm parcel]

Yep

[civic palm]

mmm, I've got a bunch of haste/mastery/crit gear from OTL > _>

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[warm parcel]

Should I go full out crit haste

Gem haste

🤔

[viscid helm]

No

[civic palm]

Might just meme our entire Mythic progression.

[viscid helm]

Its a loss

[warm parcel]

O rly

I just want to try it out

[civic palm]

normal stat weights with Alacrity?

"normal"

[safe matrix]

Maybe there's a mythical haste floor amount

Where it becomes god tier

[civic palm]

Nah.

[viscid helm]

I was trying that yesterday

[safe matrix]

I'm kidding by the way

[civic palm]

I imagine there are other issues with stat scaling.

eg. more haste just ends up making mastery better.

[quick talon]

@civic palm https://gyazo.com/defcbbfad6655ca61be29babc0ed0ba8

Those are mine

[near rain]

hey guys. where can i get shadow relics? not sure if my loot tab is just bugged

i'm not seeing any drops on all dungs and the raid...

[safe matrix]

Are you in outlaw loot spec?

[viscid helm]

Set loot spec to sin

[civic palm]

or SUB >_>

[near rain]

im outlaw but loot spec is set for as

ass

[civic palm]

I can actually see those stats being where our weights fall early BfA as well.

Crit miiight be higher still.

[viscid helm]

Imagine alac in BFA

[civic palm]

They removed it because, clearly, it was too good.

[jovial kite]

I cant.. because its not there

[viscid helm]

Im bringing it back

Scrap TB

[jovial kite]

alac would actually be great

[civic palm]

GET IT OUT!!

[jovial kite]

With scaling bleeeds

from haste

[civic palm]

inb4 they return it, but Alacrity is just attack speed and does not contribute to haste rating.

[safe matrix]

Then a new build is created

The auto attack build

[civic palm]

Outlaw already has that.

No go.

[safe matrix]

I want them to just make outlaw the ranged rogue spec

Gunslingwr

That'd be dope as fuck

[civic palm]

I might try getting them another spec sheet for something like that but they didn't bite last time.

Also nothing on making OTL a healer/degen class.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[safe matrix]

The reddit concept for rogue healer was cool, apothecary

Heals others with potions based abilities and shiz

[hazy iron]

how reliable are relic sims? Because it reckons me dropping a 3rd vendetta relic for a 3rd alch relic is a dps increase. but 2 vendetta relics are useless hmm

40k increase at that

[civic palm]

Yeah the spec we tried to push was basically an engineer from GW2 that used "grenades" as their primary attack function.

[zealous dew]

useless 😄

[tulip grotto]

If it had to replace a spec which one would go i wonder.. 🤔

[civic palm]

Without the @ cursor and other function changes they made halfway through the expansion it would not have worked though.

[tulip grotto]

also i have the same dream about outlaw being ranged, would totaly go for it

[civic palm]

and I am still trying to get them to change Crimson Vial into something spec dependent.

aka Crimson Vial is baseline but the specs/talents change what it does.

[midnight latch]

@civic palm dude WvW open pvp with engineer crowbar into that knockback floating thingy

always fun on bridges

[civic palm]

Some people are also trying to push a dramatic rework of the talent tree while leveling.

[tulip grotto]

also i have the same dream about outlaw being ranged, would totaly go for it

[civic palm]

Blizzard has put some "leveling talents/traits" onto gear for at least two expansions now.

and putting them into a Leveling Tree would make much more sense.

Considering the set bonuses for that leveling gear is damn near worthless, even at the beginning of an expansion.

[safe matrix]

I think like a more poisony/alchemists/concoction rogue spec could work though

[civic palm]

The problem is that suddenly losing all of those things you got while leveling feels like butt.

[safe matrix]

Caster rogue

[civic palm]

Yeah the OTL rework is more "Bard"-like then anything else.

[safe matrix]

Atleast thematically

[midnight latch]

spell assassin

[civic palm]

But you're not using a fucking lute.

[safe matrix]

Ass ass in?

[civic palm]

or a bow like in FF.

[midnight latch]

what about a tome and a dagger

[civic palm]

Group Buffs, Enemy Degen, spacial abilities.

[safe matrix]

Oh you mean "Spell Assassin" not "spell assassin"

[midnight latch]

tome to cast spells from

[safe matrix]

Trickster

[midnight latch]

and dagger to shank ppl

[civic palm]

Rogues don't do books, has to be something more thematic.

[safe matrix]

Dagger/offhand

[civic palm]

Also, paladins are getting spell cast specific book animations in BfA.

[midnight latch]

I actually could see like one handed combat with only one weapon

and the off hand free

[civic palm]

The Bard would drop the dagger entirely for the "thing" that is causing the buffs/degen, as well as a pistol for ranged attacks (to replace the normal bow weapon).

[midnight latch]

for pocket sand

[hexed dock]

fencing spec

[midnight latch]

and stuff like that

yeah

something like that

[safe matrix]

Or we could get a holy rogue spec, "inquisitor"

[civic palm]

Nah that makes literally no sense you weirdo.

[safe matrix]

It could come from the Spanish blizzard team, then we'd never expect it

The Spanish Inquisition

[civic palm]

h a

mmm, trying to find something...

DFO has some new classes coming that are hybrid melee/ranged but they reaaaaaaaally don't fit the Rogue templating.

[safe matrix]

Stealth caster could be cool

[supple hearth]

not going to see a new class for a lonnnng time

[civic palm]

But they dooo have some neato polearm shenanigans going on > _>

[supple hearth]

maybe next expansion mayyyybe

[civic palm]

The best bet for a new class is a dramatic rework.

[safe matrix]

I mean I'd like for rogue to get warden sub class

[supple hearth]

and if anything its a 3rd spec for dh

[civic palm]

But things are going well as things are.

[safe matrix]

Even though it's basically warrior

[civic palm]

Though OTL needs a LOT of work.

[safe matrix]

Really all that's left is like warden

Anything else is a bit out of left field

[civic palm]

Well that's where you have to come from.

Warden being the OTL replacement would be a cheap work-a-round for making 2-4 new specs.

So long you can think of a way a Rogue could end up like that.

[jovial kite]

Warden is rogue in hs

warden confirmed rogue

[safe matrix]

I just want the fucking knock back kick from VotW

Lemme spec into that to empower my kick

[civic palm]

haha

[jovial kite]

I want to explode enemies with glaive like i explode my team in votw

[civic palm]

Inspiring.

[somber bison]

Glaive toss oh yeah

[safe matrix]

Hunters are getting that back though I think

[civic palm]

No one would ever take a talent like that considering movement.

Like the Wardens bouncy glaive, not like, an arcing thing.

[jovial kite]

i would

To punish enemies like my teammates punished me

[civic palm]

ha

[safe matrix]

Do you know how many shenigans you can do with a knockback?

[jovial kite]

Easiest mechanic 2k18

[safe matrix]

Lemme just remind tou

A STEALTHED knockback

[civic palm]

I mean it's not like there are not ways to do stealth knockbacks RIGHT NOW.

[safe matrix]

😩 💦

[civic palm]

and it's PURE BM.

[safe matrix]

Yeah but Druids are for cuckolds

[civic palm]

P U R E

[jovial kite]

I would just stealthkick the fuck out of lvling noobs

[civic palm]

I am talking Rogues you dork.

[safe matrix]

How do we do knockbacks

[civic palm]

There's 1 place you can knockback people in stealth, right now.

and you can knock them back... right off a fucking cliff.

[safe matrix]

Also I get to macro "this is Sparta!" Into it

[civic palm]

w/e you need.

To stop you from feeling like a massive asshole.

l o l

[safe matrix]

FeelsBadMan

[civic palm]

Feels 🐐 man

[midnight latch]

you feel goats ?

are u a perv or

[jovial kite]

[civic palm]

Yeah, but just enough to let them let me ride on them.

and then knock people off of cliffs.

from stealth.

because I am an asshole.

[midnight latch]

I think I met you there once...

[civic palm]

You might have.

[jovial kite]

Mmmmmm meat

[civic palm]

ha

Actually I think you did... come to think of it.

SMALL WOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLD

[midnight latch]

I used to wait in stealth in the brul arena with bersi buff running

killing dudes with one shadowstrike

[civic palm]

I've run into ~2 other Rogues in Stormheim looking to farm a 5m group in WPVP.

Anyway if you wanna make an Inquisition you need three things...

Plate Armor, a Hammer, and a whole shit ton of Fire.

Like a big, fuck off hammer.

[viscid helm]

[civic palm]

Someone mentioned INQ. earlier. Dun remember who.

So yeah give us Bard/Chef Rogue Blizz, thanks.

[midnight latch]

like a warhammer 40k inquisitor

plate armor

[civic palm]

Basically.

[midnight latch]

cross

and a fuckin hammer with spikes

[civic palm]

Crosses can be in the spell effects.

[midnight latch]

yeah

[civic palm]

They're symbolism works very well in designing a theme.

symbology... symbol... mmm w/e

[midnight latch]

thats what I was very confusing to me when they did introduce the artifact weapons for warrior

and talked about odin blabla bla

and not a single skin is a hammer

that warbreaker animation would look so sick if you would slam your hammer into the ground

[zealous dew]

hammer is also very useful if you want to hang paintings on walls

[civic palm]

Instead it uses the generic cast animation for 2H.

[midnight latch]

yeah

[civic palm]

Blizzard can be lazy IN AREAS, that's for sure.

It's just easier to have baked animations that just work.

Which makes it all the more shocking that Pallies are getting an entirely new animation.

[midnight latch]

@zealous dew we have a hammer in our server room behind a safty case like you have for fire extinguishers

its has a label

with "hard reset"

Incase of a hard reset

break glass

[civic palm]

Giant Weapon, Fire, Crosses - https://gfycat.com/MetallicMediocreAmericanwirehair

[zealous dew]

😄

[civic palm]

I am more of a fan of hammers with percussive persuasion on them.

[midnight latch]

those numbers thou

whz

why

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

The best part is that they are all over the place

from like, a 2 to some six digit monster.

I assume it has something to do with damage calcs. on Held enemies during transitioning animations.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Oh hey they drop moons over there as well - https://gfycat.com/PitifulLimpingEthiopianwolf

Except their moons, aren't being taken away, BLIZZARD.

[midnight latch]

big fuckin moon crashing into shit

has to be 6 digits

wouldnt play otherwise

[civic palm]

Yeah but that's like, sad newbie level damage.

[midnight latch]

😂

[civic palm]

DFO has a DMG cap.

and it 's huge.

[solar willow]

Aggra is harsh man

[civic palm]

Yep

[viscid helm]

[civic palm]

Like, 99 999 999 huge - https://gfycat.com/FoolishSleepyAfricangroundhornbill

People fail H-Agg all day > _>

Reclear M, fail H-Agg.

Please.

[solar willow]

Im talking about mythic

[civic palm]

Yarrr

[solar willow]

Rogues dont have to do anything to be honest

[viscid helm]

Interesting

[civic palm]

Can we just jump off the platform?

[viscid helm]

Were mostly just normal/heroic raiders here so wouldnt know

#casual life

[solar willow]

No because when u wipe your healer wont be able to rez you

[civic palm]

120%

[zealous dew]

lfr aggramar

[solar willow]

So just die normallu

[zealous dew]

is harder then hc

[civic palm]

Oh right, stand in every flame ability there is.

[shrewd night]

Talk to @shrewd oriole he has some special heroic tactic where skills doesnt exist 😂

[hexed fog]

can you vanish off the chains on argus?

[shrewd night]

YES

What

Thats not to you knee

[hexed fog]

all good

[viscid helm]

Tom is the only person here who has cleared mythic afaik

[solar willow]

Malch are u on aggra?

[viscid helm]

What a god

[shrewd night]

Yeah, progressing that shit like its hot bread

[solar willow]

We started yday

[prime void]

yes you can vanish chains

[solar willow]

Pretty harsh

[prime void]

I went to use vansih offensively and fucked the raid

it was 10/10

[civic palm]

l o l

[hexed fog]

got red phase on second whole raid night and plan to use boots and bracers instead

[prime void]

I play boots bracers.

Just went to vanish garrote and BOOM

[shrewd night]

@solar willow Guess Im just used to Aggramar at this point, its relaxing for me to raid him because I know what to do, and its a quick wipe if someone fucks up. Its like Maiden, just 99% less stress.

[prime void]

aggra is straight braindead for melee

I enjoyed the mindlessness of it

and red phase on 2nd night

Holy shit that's impressive to me

[viscid helm]

Tbh argus is even more brain dead fight

[prime void]

how so ?

[viscid helm]

Nothing happens on it anymore

[hexed fog]

its more enjoyuable than kj atleast

[solar willow]

Im in group 2 and sometimes he starts taechalac rend 1st and everyone is caught off guard ^^

[civic palm]

Less for melee to do than ever

[prime void]

Soulblight interaction- fear and rage interaction

[shrewd night]

That entire combowombo is brainless for a rogue anyways

[prime void]

where as aggra you sit there and stare at the boss

[viscid helm]

Soulblight?

What is that

[prime void]

that thing you cant cloak if you get it 3x in a row

[solar willow]

Do u save cloak for add phase or just feint all the way

[shrewd night]

Nah, I cloak the big ass aoe

[hexed fog]

i saved my cloak to dps in the aoe

[prime void]

^^

[shrewd night]

Havent found any other reason to cloak so uh 🤷

[hexed fog]

feint and vial during adds

[prime void]

you got bad heals ?

I had no need to ever use a defensive defensively

just used cloak offensively

[solar willow]

We got 5 heals pretty geared

[prime void]

our disc popped the fuck off that fight

[hexed fog]

heal is a death fog junkie, leave it at that.

[viscid helm]

If you cloak on the last second u can also sit in the 1st cleave with cos

[prime void]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ch39aQKJN4CBZW2L#fight=19&type=healing

[shrewd night]

cloak the last second

[prime void]

still makes me lol

[shrewd night]

I can see a tons of ways that will kill me

[solar willow]

3-5-12 is the composition right

[viscid helm]

What do u need 5 healers for?

[prime void]

to heal

[viscid helm]

To heal what?

[prime void]

damage

[viscid helm]

1 stack of chains

????

[prime void]

we talking agg or arg?

We 3 heal arg.

[viscid helm]

Ohh fuck

I dont know

[prime void]

me neither tbh

[viscid helm]

Anymore

[shrewd night]

agg

[viscid helm]

Lmao

[prime void]

But i agree 5 heal arg is dumb

[solar willow]

Agr on arg

[prime void]

But did you see some guilds are doing it lel ?

Very very few

but it makes me lol

[shrewd night]

What if you bring five heals. But they are all disc

[viscid helm]

Well people are dumb

[shrewd night]

:OOOO

[prime void]

disc really doesnt do that much damage

our resto druid does way more p1 damage

[shadow inlet]

full catweavers

[prime void]

just sits in kitty doing like 1.2-1.3M

[solar willow]

2 disc 1 pala 2 druids

[prime void]

talking about argus here

to be specific. XD

[viscid helm]

Plebs just follow what method does

And cause additional pointless 100 wipes

[prime void]

I legit hate methods strat for argus

I'd prefer to just pull him straight back after each cone

but w/e

[viscid helm]

If people would have 5-6 healed argus

Ez ranks

JK they went with immune abuse

Cos method did

[prime void]

yeah

chains were dif back then tho

And you couldnt 5 heal due to dps check

[viscid helm]

Well im talking like 2 months after 1st kills

[prime void]

but you have to copy method

duh

their ideas are always the best, even for months to come after

(kappa)

take it ez guys. Got to finish this stupid neuroscience paper and hate my life

[civic palm]

👋

[exotic glen]

I've been watching Windows update for the last Half hour. I cant work reeeee

[civic palm]

Lemme give you some more harddrive space so you don't have to compress things so much UGH

This fucking WA - https://wago.io/Hk1vhe_rM

Way too much information on Poison Bomb.

WAY TOO MUCH

[solar willow]

Flowi how many days did it get you to kill aggr

[viscid helm]

Uhmm

Thats a good question

[shrewd night]

@exotic glen In what world do you live in where windows update isnt run automaticly at night from your workserver?

[civic palm]

or everything is just recloned and virtualized > _>

[viscid helm]

It took us 1 day

[exotic glen]

Do you think the monkeys i work for have the brainpower to do that

[viscid helm]

To kill it

[civic palm]

G G

[solar willow]

Feelsbadman i need to change guild

[shrewd night]

wat

Comparing yourself to a top10 guild isnt a fair comparison

Not only is Flowi a fin

But he also uses alacrity

So there is a noticable difference even then from us 1000+ plebs

[warm parcel]

Was aggra sub 100 pulls?

[viscid helm]

Something like that

[warm parcel]

We got to argus on sat?

[viscid helm]

I dont know

Coven died 8th of dec

Aggra 9th

[solar willow]

Argus?

[viscid helm]

18th

[warm parcel]

Yee sat evening was argus time

[viscid helm]

We had 0.1% wipe on 16th or 17th

Dont remember

[solar willow]

You placed after fatsharkyes?

[viscid helm]

No

Were #3

[solar willow]

Ooh gz

[hazy flame]

Was it #2 if that wipe was a kill?

[viscid helm]

Nahh

[warm parcel]

Naa

[viscid helm]

Day behind exorsus i tjink

[nimble tartan]

0.1% wipe weak shouldve done more damage smh

[viscid helm]

If it was 16th

[warm parcel]

Weak died early that pull ♿

Due to late feint

[shrewd night]

Weak dies early every pull

• Flowi 2018

[warm parcel]

I might have done enough dmg

Dno

[shrewd night]

rofl

I can imagine that shit

[prime void]

I like how flowi has a solid 1 keystone done

For 7.3.2

[civic palm]

Needed more Vanish > Poison Knife

[shrewd night]

'Aight, now Ive done enough damage. PEACE OUT BOIS.' And then just jumps off the edge

[viscid helm]

I only did that 1 because someone needed help

[prime void]

1 is more impressive than 0 tbh

Makes me lol

[shrewd night]

impressive

🤔

[prime void]

yes, impressive

Doesnt ever have to be dissapointed by weekly chest. I like it

[shrewd night]

He had to be disappointed that one time tho

[civic palm]

I need to do a +15 this expansion at some time.

[solar willow]

I get disappointed if i get anything from chest .

[viscid helm]

I mean i almost did my 2nd m+ 2 weeks ago when Lorentz asked for help

Came to my senses tho

And didnt go

[solar willow]

How did u do your 1st one

[viscid helm]

I was prob drunk

[exotic glen]

By force

[civic palm]

l o l

[viscid helm]

Cos i cant remember doing 1

[shrewd night]

Better go check your order hall, who knows, maybe the chest is still unopened

[viscid helm]

Id let that sit there

[solar willow]

Youll need to watch a guide for that

Since you dont know where it spawns

[shrewd night]

go watch the method guide

[civic palm]

It's in that room somewhere.

[shrewd night]

they have the best strats to find the chest

[solar willow]

Yday i got the mount from gul dan

Tried to sell it for 1.2m

[shrewd night]

Herecy

[viscid helm]

Im gonna start bleeding gold from now on

[solar willow]

I ended up learning it

[shrewd night]

the mount collector in me died a little from that statement

[viscid helm]

We can now buy bench slots

On farm

[civic palm]

ha

[shrewd night]

You dont SELL mounts, you LEARN them

[exotic glen]

What if i need gold

[shrewd night]

Then you pucker up and stand on the corner outside AH selling yourself

[solar willow]

Malch u know what

That was my 2nd run on gul dan mythic

Last week i got the achie

[exotic glen]

We finally got done giving guldan mount to all Raiders so we can sell it

Heard it goes for like a mil

Stupid buyers that dont know they can just pug him lol

[solar willow]

A guy offered me 1.2m

But didnt trust me to find a middleman since we were from dif servers

[hazy flame]

Pugging doesnt guarantee you get it

[shrewd night]

Finding a middle man

Are you high

dat shit soulbound

Orite

for the gold

[exotic glen]

No? But Theres no way i would pay for that much for it if i can grt lucky in a pug maybe

[shrewd night]

lul

[solar willow]

He had gold on my server

[shrewd night]

NEVERMIND

[solar willow]

Look at sub channel

There is a guy panicking

Dunno what to say to him

[civic palm]

Ooo bby the fun TotT bug.