not sarcastically?
#assassination
void pecan
manic vigil
only flowi does it and he is a finnish evil mastermind
void pecan
weak did too I thought?
manic vigil
idk tbh
weak had a anti experiment going for a while
where the uptime was super high as well
steep obsidian
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
steep obsidian
yeah it doesn't seem worth it to me
manic vigil
it might be, I haven't checked it out properly tbh
steep obsidian
but if ur bored why not try
steep obsidian
sims arent horrid
manic vigil
I'd have to check again. the difference wasn't that much yeah. It might work out
makes sense yeah
might as well test stuff
slim estuary
Should I always refresh rup before KB or during KB should I choose to env or rup?
shrewd oriole
wtf
manic vigil
still 
about alacrity
sure, why not ๐คท
still use vigor then or switch that one out?
anti and alacrity
full finn build
"ffb"
ffs
lone junco
@plain thistle 2p4p or just high crit/mastery shoulder/glove?
manic vigil
oh right jhonwei already said vigor + alacrity
still
fair enough
a shame having good energy regen and a cp buffer would have been dope
I have rather lowish mastery in my top sim setup anyway (2p4p)
just shy of 170% iirc
well I don't have flowi's gear level
he has outrageous amounts of crit afaik
almost a bleedy boi
manic vigil
hm
lone junco
I think he said 40/175
manic vigil
armory display is bonkers tho isn't it
well it's 10% lesser mastery for me anyway
50 holy fuck
strange python
I have a quick question.
lone junco
thats what my stuff is. thats just EP
strange python
What number for stats should i aim for the posion build?
strange python
What about Teir options? go for +2 +2?
strange python
I have the leggo shoulders
manic vigil
bleed build is actually closing in for me as well
I bet with some adjustments I could make it work
void pecan
don't you do it
manic vigil
ep and alacrity felt weird on the dummy though. I could barely hold any dps
just for the lulz I should def try it
I have never even tried it (exsang)
lone junco
Just work on ep rotations with crit.
manic vigil
I also just realized that my current relic setup might make shoulder's look bad. I'm at 7malch 6MA 5BB
6MA rip for mantle
lone junco
Good for the ep tb. Or ep Alac.
slim estuary
Should I always refresh rup before KB or during KB should I choose to env or rup?
lone junco
The 3vend is annoying to maintain.
void pecan
I have to pray for high forging relics to replace what I have currently..
feelsbad.
The relics I have are malch/bb..
so..
manic vigil
hmmm 
anti and alacrity feels good actually
enough energy and no cp wasted ๐
only problemm is that my CP weakaura doesn't have a anti setup
xd
void pecan
You're making me want to try
manic vigil
good luck then
manic vigil
yeah it's kinda funny actually
void pecan
and 960 hands from something.
strange python
My current stats are Crit 24.51% Haste 16.40% Mastery 105.01%
void pecan
Stats > 2pc
manic vigil
I don't understand how it's so good anyway ^^ t20 I mean
void pecan
makes double dotting a joke
manic vigil
and yeah I just did aoe with alacrity
too much energy 
yeah the feels from t20 are awesome for sure
that was with anti btw
my test
still couldn't get rid of energy
like at all
feels good for sure 
spam dem buttons
hm
I mean it's just the sims for a 5min fight right
I guess you would have to make an in-depth analysis encounter wise
or test it
yeah
it's already pretty close tho
at least in my book ๐คท
close enough to run what you prefer
is it always EP? makes sense when losing tb but still
4k
wow
well idk
in that last sim you posted you are wearing only the t20 shoulders btw ๐ค
it's in all of them actually
dense yew
60k difference for me between MP+TB and MP+Alac
Alac was higher for Beastlord
might give it a go tonight - I like the faster pace
1 less GCD to worry about too ๐
do people clip envenom, or refresh at pandemic amount? The WA I'm using doesn't have a pandemic highlight for env
was wondering what other people do
manic vigil
pandemic refresh unless vendetta or surplus energy then I spam the shit out of it ๐
warped bluff
manic vigil
I think they established that "overusing" envenom is not a gain and brings the slight risk of not having energy at a cruicial time I suppose
I tend to spam it occasionally anyway tho
keen inlet
manic vigil
pretty much yeah ^^
odd parrot
hey guys, im pretty new to rogues and assassination build, was curious about the soft cap stats for them?
supple hearth
Pretty much check the guides pinned and link at the top of this channel. You're going to want to stack mastery. Lots and lots and lots of mastery > crit > vers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haste.
Follow raidbots/sims but youre pretty much going to go for mastery forever
quick talon
๐
supple hearth
๐
quick talon
Which leggo comb
odd parrot
im sitting at crit 45
haste 11
mas 141
vers 10
manic vigil
show off
supple hearth
@odd parrot anything under 200% mastery is too low
you want to avoid haste
get rid of it on your gear
quick talon
Naaah giggle
plain thistle
boots+bracer with T20
quick talon
He can do fine with 175ish %
supple hearth
fine. point is either way pump that mastery
odd parrot
i can get to 180mastery, but i lose 13% crit, is that worth it?`
quick talon
Like really really fine
manic vigil
alacrity?! jhonwei?
supple hearth
@odd parrot as long as youre not gaining in haste sure
manic vigil
๐ช
gaunt moat
this alacrity talk is literally killing me
manic vigil
plain thistle
nah
gaunt moat
i went to sleep at 1am, woke up 3am
i'm fucked
plain thistle
played TB ๐
manic vigil
same time for you iWin
manic vigil
how dare you jhonwei you heathen! 
quick talon
How can you sleep 2 hours
odd parrot
i see on the guide it says toxic blade then kingsbane, heard it was other way around?
manic vigil
quick talon
Kongen, as a beginner, just use both skills as soon as they are ready
gaunt moat
cause me body thinks 12am is noon nap.
plain thistle
TB for the add is too strong, fuck alacrity
normal plover
if you say 22 or 23 you dont need to say pm
manic vigil
quick talon
Oh right
normal plover
bastard
normal plover
I have brown hairs
manic vigil
isn't it "hair"
but since you are bullying iWin, I'm on your side
so scratch that
quick talon
manic vigil
dawn kettle
anyone mind poking through my kin'garoth kill and see what i'm not doing? i feel like i should be doing way more damage than what i am for my gear
plain thistle
kin mythic or heroic?
dawn kettle
mythic
plain thistle
I can take a look in 10min-15min
dawn kettle
the only thing i know for sure i'm doing is if i'm not 100% sure i'll have KB up for add phase, i'll hold it for up to like 25s
plain thistle
I know that most tops logs use shoulder+bracer , but I really recommend bracer+boots or shoulder+boots
with boots you can align vendetta better with the fight
because you can save for the first add, and after that use for boss-add-boss-add
etc
merry sparrow
chrome tuskBOT
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gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
dawn kettle
only killed it twice so i havent really had the chance to deviate from the build i'm using, and usually it's a pretty close kill when we do kill it so maybe when it gets more clean i can try boots, unless it makes a super difference over either shoulders or wrists i'm not keen on changing legendaries too much right now
devout hollow
yeah get more noticeable timers on apocalypse drive then
plain thistle
lets go boys, https://imgur.com/a/CF7Zf ๐
keen ingot
Hello, Question. Should i change a 945 Mastr Alchemist relic for a 965 Master Assassin relic?
orchid notch
Is the poison damage bonus from Master Alchemist multiplicative or additive to the poison damage bonus from Mastery proper. ie is 1 rank of Mast Alch (5% poison damage) the exact same value as the crucible T2 trait Master of Shadows 500 Mastery (which also =5% poison damage)??
Basically I'm looking to swap one Nathrezim Incisor for another. Lightspeed is becoming Master of Shadows, Master Alchemist is becoming Balanced blades...
molten flicker
orchid notch
no? Even though my character page says 18,623 mastery (+186.23%) ?
molten flicker
if u put both relics in it will calculate
orchid notch
its showing the new relic as being like less than 0.2% better. about 4000dps. which isn't... really statistically significant.
I simmed it, but I'mt rying to understand it. thus posting here.
molten flicker
maybe it is 500=5%
orchid notch
right. 13685 = 168.85... 136.85 + 32% base
it seems 1:1. i'm just wondering how they interact with each other.
the relic and the stat
molten flicker
well if the relic and the stat are also 1:1
the balanced blades relic is just +1 trait
for free
since lighstspeed is 500 haste = 0
orchid notch
additive or multiplicative should matter. not to mention the relic is only deadly and wound. and i think mastery also affects poison bomb etc.
molten flicker
which should then result in more than 0.2%
right?
I think the relic also buffs bomb etc
orchid notch
it sims to ~4500
i'm just wondering if i'm missing something. aoe potential etc.
but I think mastery would be better for aoe anyways because it potentially affects more things.
molten flicker
how so
molten flicker
ye, unless relic works the same
orchid notch
mastery affects just poisons proper? or all poison damage
molten flicker
I'm not sure if the trait is just deadly poison dmg
I guess wowhead would say
if u were to ask it
I'll check
(u should never trust ingame tooltips)
orchid notch
thats what I'm wondering.
molten flicker
relic only works for poisons + venomous wounds
orchid notch
hmmm. i'm just nervous. becuase 35218=7630 and 30223=6690. so if they have a multiplicative interaction its a hell of a drop in some things. if they're additive it should wash
molten flicker
mastery works for the same + kingsbane + poison bomb
and some pvp things which are irrelevant
orchid notch
but its simming higher.
molten flicker
cuz of the bb trait
orchid notch
so. in theory if they're additive. then mastery is better becuase it affects more things
orchid notch
which means the sim is probably showing the net difference between balanced blades and haste... both of which are junk.
molten flicker
no
molten flicker
it also shows the difference between not buffing poison bombs and kingsbane
right?
orchid notch
thats true. yes
so in theory, balanced blades could have been WORSE than 500 haste. but the mastery affecting more than the trait still ekes ahead
which actually seems to be the case in crucible weight at least. 500 haste = 5.56ilvl, balanced blades averages 5.51.
molten flicker
which relic is simming better again?
orchid notch
MasterAssassin+Master of Shadows+Balanced Blades > MasterAssassin+LightSpeed+MasterAlchemist
orchid notch
lightspeed still sims better, pretty clear on herodamage as well.
molten flicker
all right
orchid notch
problem is. balanced blades is completely devalued in 3target+
once you start FoKing.
molten flicker
yes
orchid notch
lol thats fair.
i'll have to think about it. there's only one real Patchwerk in the current tier. it all depends on the damn equivalency of master alch and mastery.
thanks for the sounding board.
molten flicker
it was cool learning a bit
orchid notch
and the 3 target sim says... drumroll
molten flicker
hmmm
honest jolt
SO THE AOE rotation is just FoK and Rupture 3 targets?
molten flicker
no
you have to use tb and garrote and kb and vanish and vendetta and potions and envenom too
honest jolt
oh ok
orchid notch
and at 6 targets ..
orchid notch
the more targets you have , the more Pbomb damage will creep up on DP
molten flicker
I don't know if those sims are perfect though
like, what to actually do in a 6 target situation
do u rupture all 6 or rupture 2, just fok spam etc
orchid notch
yeah. i feel like i'd rather stay MA/MA with lightspeed, than lose Master Alch... for 500 mastery. even if 19,000 mastery is a thing
I usually alternate rupture and envenom to keep the tier crit bonus up
molten flicker
ye, I do something similar depending on how long they will live and how much focus they all need
orchid notch
if rupture can go full duration it usually has a biger damage per execute
unless I'm under shoulders buff for insta crit envenoms
molten flicker
I'm very ambivalent whether it's best to just spam fok and weave env for buff on say 15 sec aoe
vs actually spending all cps
cuz dp is so big these days, fishing for pb is a loss if u don't get one
orchid notch
i think it depends on whether or not the energy return from critting poison is enough to keep your aoe GCD locked, or if you need the bleeds.
molten flicker
ye it's only a thing if fok gives u enough energy ofc
but it oftentimes does for me
orchid notch
because rupture's damage becomes more and more anaemic compared to the many poison sources as your mastery goes up
molten flicker
I mean it might even be better to just fok spam even on long aoe
I don't know
๐ฆ
molten flicker
yea, I mean there might be numbers on this that I just don't know about <@&226424944148480000> @elfin harbor
but it's something I think about a lot
orchid notch
well once your aoe DPS starts living above 4 and 5M... or moreover... it starts creeping 1-2M above the 2nd best person in your raid... optimizing it seems less important. you're probably doing something right
molten flicker
well I've yet to encounter this kind of aoe in the current raid tier
I'm more thinking about dungeons
and I dare say there's plenty of reason to optimize for that
molten flicker
peace
lone junco
thats a lot of text.
molten flicker
enjoy
vapid moth
Aoe you sometimes don't even need to rupture. With enough targets the energy return from the 4piece is more than enough
Usually about 4 targets
vapid moth
I specified target number
molten flicker
on 4 targets of only using fok I run out of energy very fast
vapid moth
How long do the mobs last? And what's your crit
vapid moth
Mobs rarely last more than 10foks for me in both m+ and raid
molten flicker
on 4 targets with 2 bleeds on primary I go out of energy after 10 foks
with 35% crit
however, I agree that there are situations where bleeds are not necessary for energy regen
vapid moth
10+ targets are fun to have
jovial kite
quick talon
๐
vapid moth
Mines bigger
quick talon
Show me
vapid moth
No. That's gay man
quick talon
Hows that gay
jovial kite
Hows that gayman
molten flicker
^
prime void
fok spamming= no PB
plain thistle
me too noobe, did pretty well, but I played boots+bracer with TB (the boring build) https://imgur.com/a/CF7Zf
jovial kite
Why struggle with pb? Join team 
plain thistle
sorry, just showing my virtual d
jovial kite
farm ranks 
lone junco
does that say 2.75
plain thistle
yeah, not sure why the quality is so shit
i was streaming it, but forgot to put the option to save Vods, ๐
vapid moth
You deal with shadow bitch for less time in mythic no?
lone junco
we had lots of wipes on coven. really the only block of the tier for us.
plain thistle
mid fight the storm lady go out and you dont have to hide anymore
lone junco
a lot being like 35.
safe matrix
Yeah the mother of night is the one who does the storms
lone junco
I did everything up to varith as snd. prob a waste of farm.
and my ep poison isnt going to see full potential without 7malch
this stack is wrong
vapid moth
Date a communist girl. Yes or no?
Chat dies suddenly like that's an out of the ordinary question smh
plain thistle
๐คท
molten flicker
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
jovial kite
Tomptation island
quick talon
๐ท๐ธ
hexed trellis
so dumb question, do you always envenom asap at 4-5 CP or wait until right before the debuff falls to envenom again
viscid helm
Depends on so many things
hexed trellis
well just if you're trying to put out maximum damage. better to envenom on cd, or let the debuff run, without capping energy?
if everyother debuff is already up
viscid helm
Short answer is, dont spam envenom
hexed trellis
mmk
pliant yacht
Long answer is?
timber mauve
ok so outlaw rogue is getting all galganneth's 2nd procs like all night, same ilvl, yada yada, just rng? just shit rng? like same trink too
viscid helm
Long answer is, go read how the class works
๐
Do you mean the actual pantheon proc?
glad osprey
can usually focus on keeping surge of toxins constantly up in terms of envenom, pretty important to focus on it when kingsbane on the target
timber mauve
yes
viscid helm
Do you have 2 tank trinkets?
viscid helm
Well he said "2nd proc" dunno
tight meteor
boot wrist or shoulder wrist for argus prog?
jovial kite
why
If you intend to play bracers in the end why would you scuff your timing and gameplay with boots before u hit 30%
glad osprey
sub 30% is hard, youll get plenty of exp with timings once you start getting there constantly
wheres the value in wrists when your stuck in p1/p2
jovial kite
i see no reason to play boots before your guild get to progress last phase
If you intend to play bracers anyway
glad osprey
yeah its fair enough
viscid helm
I mean, belt and mantle would be better in that case
glad garden
at what point is tier set bonus worth more than ilvl gear? Like how much ilvl would you drop on a piece to get a tier pce for each bonus
gilded lark
sim it
viscid helm
Never
molten flicker
I would never drop t21
glad garden
can't no gear yet to sim it myself although can you change it just in general without havign it on the sim?
gilded lark
glad garden
im debating on doing lfr just to try and get a tier bonus
glad garden
compared to say a 940 or 960 item i already got
glad garden
k so well worth it then im guessing
molten flicker
great guess
rose sapphire
Guys do you always pool some energy before popping KB?
molten flicker
no @rose sapphire
gilded lark
and it lets you sim with gear you don't currently have
viscid helm
Pooling in 2k18 
rose sapphire
I am just asking
glad garden
k cool
glad garden
i try not to ever have more 80 energy even more so when vendetta is about to be used
shrewd night
Cold btw
rose sapphire
I am not talking about vandetta here, im talking about the normal rotation when KB comes up should I pool it to 70-80 energy or go straight with KB ?
viscid helm
Only 15
molten flicker
you asked "do you always"
shrewd night
It IS cold
gilded lark
that's like
molten flicker
cold is it
gilded lark
pushing into t shirt weather
shrewd night
That's cold too
strange python
Cold for what weโre used to
ancient sonnet
-8 but wind makes it feel like I'm in antarctica
molten flicker
where my grandpa is from, +20 is cold
glad garden
i would say it's ok to pool up to 80 or 100 but never over that is kb is about to be up. Also if toxic is almost up to use also. it don't hurt to wait for it on kb as well a little
glad garden
although i would say no more than 3 seconds
gilded lark
shrewd night
Although arguing cold with a fin 
gilded lark
arguing cold with a canadian 
glad garden
Also since when did fury warriors becomes such dps monsters?
shrewd night
I don't have the feels addon
molten flicker
since t21
glad garden
i have seen like 3 or 4 in the last few raids do over 1.8 to 2.2 in dps with barely 950 gear
shrewd night
Phonecall made me forget to get off the subway rip
molten flicker
I guess you're stuck on the subway now
ancient sonnet
CoF with T21 ezpz
molten flicker
good bye
glad garden
nice bonus they have there
shrewd night
It was nice knowing ya
glad garden
hope when i get my bonuses it adds a few more k to mine lol
im doing around 1.5 to 1.6 dps with no tier so far
gilded lark
at what item level
molten flicker
no
ancient sonnet
I'm wanting to try out alac but I don't know what to do to even go about it, anyone play with alac?
glad garden
i got a chest tier piece but thats it
molten flicker
to try out alac, you press it in the talent pane while standing in dalaran
good luck
gilded lark
you should probably start by choosing the talent
glad garden
also downgraded my ilvl on trinket i went and got a 890 convergance heard it was strong
gilded lark
cof in 2018
molten flicker
it is not strong @glad garden
ancient sonnet
Wow no way, never woulda thunk it
glad garden
i did i gained dps on raidbot XD
gilded lark
what the fuck was your other trink
ancient sonnet
It Sims awfully for me, but I still see people doing it regardless, confused
gilded lark
a fucking haste stat stick
glad garden
i thinkit was a vers stick actually
gilded lark
those people are noobs
glad garden
920
molten flicker
I think haste stat stick would beat cof
viscid helm
Whats wrong with haste?
ancient sonnet
I think it's more an m+ thing, not sure tho
gilded lark
it isnt
glad garden
been really unlucky on trinkets the vers stick was 1.4 dps on raidbots and the cof did 1.5
molten flicker
alac is a non-thing
but if u wanna try it
u choose it
and play
dont say anything flowi
viscid helm
I mean alac Sims as much as TB or even more
๐คท
My haste value gonna pass vers soon
molten flicker
I said no
glad garden
any reccomendations on an easy to get trink over what i got?
ancient sonnet
Eh how? As bleed or poison?
gilded lark
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
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ancient sonnet
Well nvm you said tb
glad garden
ty for the info
ancient sonnet
Ew
glad garden
i'll look it up and run as many lfr norm and heroics as i can each week to get those
rustic rapids
best legendary combination for m+?
ancient sonnet
985 ssf dropped, monk got it
molten flicker
bracers + shoulders
rustic rapids
cool thanks
molten flicker
u can also play sephuz if u wanna run really fast sometimes
glad garden
lol i don't feel so bad now the convergance of fate is actually pretty high on that list
molten flicker
is it?
glad garden
butgolganeths has like 2 or 3 styles eahc above it
i mean of different types of trinkets it's the 4th best in differ style
ancient sonnet
ehh alac is smol dps loss
glad garden
only 3 other styles beat it
ancient sonnet
70k drop in dps
glad garden
Aman's Golga's Kil jaidens, and Eye
molten flicker
that does not sound small
molten flicker
my 980 eoc was a 59k upgrade over my 945 eoc
viscid helm
Alac doesnt use same talents or stat weights as TB
ancient sonnet
i have a bleedyboi spec with 45.5 crit 140 mast
so ep/ns/vigor/alac/vr?
or do you run ds?
viscid helm
Vigor subt was higher for me
ancient sonnet
ok thanks
ancient sonnet
im not playing exsg or id run ns
jovial kite
but as always simit
strange python
Autoattack gets affected by haste, right?
viscid helm
Whats ur crit
molten flicker
silje, what exactly are you asking?
viscid helm
At
ancient sonnet
in the gear i have on 25% its just my poison boops gear
strange python
When running alacrity, isn;t poison master better because of more applications
viscid helm
Yeh thats awful
ancient sonnet
ill equip gear from dem stat weights then do it again
strange python
especially with the tier set?
molten flicker
I do sim more with mp
strange python
feelcraftig but it makes more sense to me:P
molten flicker
with alac + boots/bracer
strange python
Only referring to talents
Alac + Poison master + Set bonus 3pc
should sim higher
if haste affects auto attack then you should apply more juicy poisons
molten flicker
depends on mastery I guess
haste does affect auto attacks
that's all it does
xd
ancient sonnet
moar dp applications
molten flicker
that's why I was wondering what your question was
molten flicker
I read it as, "does haste do anything at all"
viscid helm
Whats wrong with alac?
jovial kite
Alac favors crit, ep favors crit
ancient sonnet
i sim lower with MP than EP
jovial kite
nothing out of the ordinary there
strange python
both favor crit or typo?
molten flicker
but mastery top stat o:
jovial kite
Alac benefits from 2p uptime hence crit is good
tame cobalt
if boots and wrist sim the same as shoulder wrists, is it worth using shoulder or boots more?
jovial kite
Hence ep is good
molten flicker
@tame cobalt if they are the same, they are the same
prime void
^ thats not true
Depends on execute phase 100%
A boss like M argus with a fat ass execute- you're better off going bracers
ancient sonnet
and fight, if you squeeze in an extra vendetto
molten flicker
it is true
ancient sonnet
but not extra vanish
molten flicker
the sim is for a patchwerk fight
prime void
Yeah, but its obvious he's asking about in practice.
warm parcel
and fight, if you squeeze in an extra vendetto
Can we stop this
Thats not why boots are good
warm parcel
You dont nees a whole cast
tame cobalt
question was boots vs shoulder not bracers @prime void
strange python
Yup, alac sims higher, fck blizzz
jovial kite
alac is viable
strange python
ancient sonnet
its only 20k but still
viscid helm
TB falls behind at high ilvl
jovial kite
Tb is probably the worst talent in the row
viscid helm
More and more
molten flicker
I don't have a crit set though
viscid helm
980?
prime void
this new log rating system is interesting
gaunt moat
who the hell did you tag :S
strange python
Btw, what shoulder enchant is bis, was thinking Zookeeper?
ancient sonnet
its lower for me rn, it will be interesting once i get to 975
jovial kite
Sim it
ancient sonnet
ok so exsg still sims 11k dps higher than alac for me rn
and that puts it even further ahead of tb
molten flicker
I did sim it as 100k loss
jovial kite
alac you want high crit and ep
ancient sonnet
i do
jovial kite
Same with exsang
ancient sonnet
i can use this bleedyboi set for alac or exsg
wait does this mean i want tier shoulders
ancient sonnet
i dont have high enough ilvl t20 to make it worth
jovial kite
960 here
ancient sonnet
and i do not clear ToS anymore
jovial kite
low t20 is like 100k still
ancient sonnet
^
jovial kite
and shoulders only give 10k per 10 ilvls
ancient sonnet
and shoulders are from avatar, the most anti pug boss ever
ancient sonnet
you think?
jovial kite
like i said shoulders low is not a big deal
molten flicker
not if u get past maiden
jovial kite
If u got 930 ur set
ancient sonnet
aint that base mythic?
molten flicker
yes
jovial kite
Yes
molten flicker
shoulders + cloak then or what
ancient sonnet
i never got mythic gloves or shoulders i dont think
i understand how t20 2pc is insane for exsg, but if i dont have the ilvl then rip
jovial kite
Low t20 is still value
jovial kite
Like 2x 915 > 960 pffpieces
molten flicker
jovial kite
Ur good to go then
molten flicker
did find this in bank
strange python
You guys remember when blizz said the the item with the highest ilvl should be the best?
atomic grotto
900 ilvl shoulders boys
molten flicker
that never was the case with items with tertiary bonuses
ofc set bonuses are worth more than the base ilvl item
gaunt moat
@strange python that's not exactly what they said...
molten flicker
I don't think anyone at blizzard thinks otherwise
ancient sonnet
got 970 crit mast shoulders so this is gonna be interestable
gaunt moat
@strange python btw, last time i checked, even i equipped my highest ilvl items, comapred to my most optimized items. the difference was around 1-2%
so pretty close.
ancient sonnet
thats how i am with outlaw really, its odd
zealous dew
ancient sonnet
got tier cloak
gaunt moat
obviously the game rewards optimizing your gear, as it should.
but just wearing highest ilvl is not amazingly far off.
shrewd night
Three chests to check, all of them shit 
Went from a 915 neck on monk to a 960
3% upgrade
glad garden
they killing me can't even get a upgrade from a 940 necklace compared to the 900 i got XD
determined to keep my ilvl low for life
ancient sonnet
boosts your ilvl ranks
ancient sonnet
wew
drifting cosmos
monkas
ancient sonnet
bet peoples eyes light up when you sign up for something
molten flicker
xd
ancient sonnet
its weird being in order hall and seeing all sin rogues
when a few months ago it was all sub
strange python
@gaunt moat Yeah if the difference is so low i guess you're right bu i still remember them saying something about it right after the 2nd raid was release
molten flicker
I was sin through tos as well
strange python
And it was in that direction that they fcked up on how stats work
ancient sonnet
ive played it since i swapped to rogue from mage back at the end of nighthold
molten flicker
I played outlaw at the start of emerald nightmare
jovial kite
all tiers sin
atomic grotto
Hey anoyone knows how to get the artful britches?
molten flicker
went sin later in en
jovial kite
Get out dirty fotmrollers ๐
ancient sonnet
i played arcane mage from the start of legion till about half way through tomb when my rogue had higher ilvl than my mage and my guild let me raid on it
molten flicker
started sin in tomb, played sub for 3-4 resets then went back to sin
and stayed sin since
ancient sonnet
yet we both have yellow names
jovial kite
GET OUT ๐
molten flicker
what neck enchant do u use for โฟ exsa spec?
ancient sonnet
i use claw
jovial kite
soldier
strange python
specced bleed only for the red name
drifting cosmos
monkas claw
molten flicker
also I actually found really good crit gear in my bank
gaunt moat
inb4 everyone here have yellow names "alacrity build"
jovial kite
Flowis wet dream
ancient sonnet
soon ill be alac, few more ilvls
jovial kite
Can u delet notter
molten flicker
I got 137% mastery and 43% crit with 2p4p before my 980 eoc is up and without regemming/enchanting to crit
but my sim dps still is lower than normal mastery setup
warm parcel
Thats my secret
I was always yellow @gaunt moat
molten flicker
your statements about tb losing on high ilvl = ???
warm parcel
Just way ahead of the curve
ancient sonnet
i dont even sim higher with tb at 970 with similar stats, but only running t21 4pc
molten flicker
no matter what I do, normal setup > crit alac/exsa by 100k
terse olive
Why the hell would you play with alac?
jovial kite
why the hell not
warm parcel
Why would you not play
ancient sonnet
sims say it does for me
molten flicker
sims say it doesn't for me
terse olive
Coz alac sucks
warm parcel
Heretics ๐ ๐ช
ancient sonnet
up until an hour ago i would agree with you
gaunt moat
we don't like people who make sense round' here
molten flicker
^
gaunt moat
that's more like it
molten flicker
btw @jovial kite
apparently I should wear chest t20
with shoulders
for exsa
@ancient sonnet do you sim with pantheon trinkets in raid or not?
molten flicker
well, that's unlikely what u have
molten flicker
^
gilded lark
swap it to 0 pleb
gilded lark
stop padding your sim
ancient sonnet
i didnt realise it simmed with aman thuls
molten flicker
^
ancient sonnet
i thought it meant just pantheons
ancient sonnet
why wouldnt it say 'aman thuls in your raid'
molten flicker
ancient sonnet
ill do it later, got appointment at 10
ancient sonnet
same thing as i just learned
molten flicker
I sim with 0 cuz I heard other cool people do
turbid harbor
shows as much dmg in sim as it does in game
ancient sonnet
sim with 0
turbid harbor
insane value
molten flicker
I'm sure 20% haste gives u a lot better chance to get the pantheon proc
turbid harbor
it's like 0.5% dmg difference at 15 pantheon
molten flicker
what is
wise frigate
Hm. 2/4 is suddenly super close to my Mantle/bracers. Like, only 30k off.
turbid harbor
the difference between the trinket proc at 15 pantheon with alacrity and no alacrity
molten flicker
does that translate to ingame though?
where you don't have 15 amanthuls
and actually compete for pantheon procs
with other golganneth people
turbid harbor
not for me because my raid has 0 amanthul and barely any str
but we were talking about how they sim?
molten flicker
which would mean
the more uptime u have
the higher the chance you get the pantheon proc
right?
turbid harbor
idk what you're talking about my dude
you can literally see how much dmg the trinket does
the second proc
you don't have to bother with the ravaging storm
when you can compare the secondary directly
molten flicker
if you don't understand how the pantheon trinket interaction works
there's no point talking about it
ancient sonnet
It's not
shrewd night
In my gear it was a 5% difference in uptime between alacrity/no alacrity
ancient sonnet
Haste = storm procs and haste also amplifies how much said procs do
shrewd night
Respectively 36/41
turbid harbor
do you know how to look at a sim's dmg breakdown?
and how to check for golganeth's thunderous whatever
shrewd night
Full HTML report
ancient sonnet
It's why it's so good for SnD outlaw
turbid harbor
no it isn't
ancient sonnet
It absolutely is
turbid harbor
it's good for outlaw because you attack so often when you GET the proc
with slice and dice
ancient sonnet
Exactly?
turbid harbor
do you not understand how that's different to what you said?
ancient sonnet
Same applies to high haste sin
molten flicker
obviously, they both feed into each other
if u get many procs where u do high dmg, u do more dmg
turbid harbor
they feed into each other such a small amount that it's not worth talking about
you can compare the actual damage it does
molten flicker
if u get less procs where u do less dmg, u do less dmg
ancient sonnet
I see my mistake, I'll resim when I get home
turbid harbor
and stop with this feely bs
ancient sonnet
I hope exswaguinate still top, I like it
That's not haste stacking so it should sim similarly
turbid harbor
yea should be the same as tb
ancient sonnet
Higher I think, better stats for it
shrewd night
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7yY3AM5LRjQMCrzPj2pTtS/simc
MP/Alac - 41% uptime on golg
Regular poison build - 36% uptime on golg, but HIGHER variance
molten flicker
u have to start with feely bullshit to get anywhere
if u don't talk about possibilites there's nothing to calculate
turbid harbor
not when you have the chance to compare absolute values
molten flicker
we don't though
ancient sonnet
God -8 feels like I'm dying, how do people deal with -20
turbid harbor
idk how to explain it any more clearly than i already have, so i'm going to stop typing
but literally compare the secondary damage the trinket does
molten flicker
since the sim does not translate the pantheon interactions into ingame
but since you don't understand how it works
there's no point
turbid harbor
ok ๐ฆ
ancient sonnet
If you have 15 Aman thuls feeding you procs as the only golg, your proc rate will be through the roof
turbid harbor
i clearly don't understand ๐ฆ
tacit ferry
ancient sonnet
Rather than split across all of the golgs in raid
ancient sonnet
Ofc you can get megalucky as is and get em all anyway but still
turbid harbor
must just be one of those mysteries
molten flicker
didn't u stop typing just now?
ancient sonnet
I cant, hands are so cold
molten flicker
if anyone wants to try to make alac/exsa beat tb for me or explain why I can't get it to (if it is supposed to) here's me: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4pX4w4XKGeBG7MkS1mZhns
@jovial kite @viscid helm @shrewd night
stone briar
Which spec is the fastest or more like most comfy for doing questing on argus/world quests? I dont have any leggos and im around ilvl 880
turbid harbor
replace your pk relic with a sprint relic and see if your dps increases
shrewd night
Assassination, spec leeching poison, prepare to struggle, but itll be better than the others
Or am I thinking of 780 ๐ค
turbid harbor
it will stop the apl using fok at 5+ pk relics on 1 target at 3cp
shrewd night
5+ pk relics 
runic crescent
Anyone able to recommend a WA for announcing poison bomb procs to your group?
runic crescent
just top result on wago?
Wow you must be pretty cool Broadsides
I can has be cool like u?
gilded lark
shrewd night
Nah, you need a unnecessary PB WA to be as cool as broadsides
turbid harbor
๐
turbid harbor
announcing your pb is VITAL for doing high keys
turbid harbor
fucking hell broadsides
