And then try to refresh with vanish when it's at 7 seconds
#assassination
prime void
I mean if you're going to vanish rup- you'd want it to be 5cp
prime void
i mean obviously- my issue doesnt lie with the first 3 globals
thats standard- always
garrote-mut-rup
strange python
I'd imagine sooner rather than later so vanish is on cooldown asap
unborn root
Garrote mute rup mute mute vanish rup
solid field
yup
strange python
🤔
jovial kite
or kb mut vanish rup
strange python
🤔
jovial kite
not necessarily
prime void
Time to go see what the apl does I guess
typically I garrote-mut-rupture-kb-mut-evenom-mut mut- vanish rup
warm parcel
Nothing you suggested so far
lone junco
@prime void can just push it to pandemic on the open rupture.
I guess that wastes your vendetta.
zealous dew
how can ppl do 300k dps ?
warm parcel
Last I lookd env was better
prime void
even no shoulders?
keen inlet
but 5 people were doing less than 300k
prime void
Evenemon> rupt?
warm parcel
yup
keen inlet
with 4 stacks of failbuff
lone junco
How far apart are ns and subterfuge?
keen inlet
and 10 dps were below me as beartank
zealous dew
i mean at 1m dps argus goes down in like what, 8 m?
i got enrage twice today
had to quit
open reef
Hello, does eoc and argus trinket are still decent? Poison mantle bracers spec
prime void
honestly just need to run myth avatar
lone junco
Oh neat.
prime void
joys of not reclearing
lone junco
I really want someone to give that angel cry a go. But 0ma Bracer boot high crit is hard to come by.
lone junco
@zealous dew k. gimme a sec.
zealous dew
pm in case i'm doing some M+ with guildies
solar fog
game doesn't want to gimme high ilvl gear with mastery
solar fog
already got a 965 legs with haste/vers 😂
kindred forge
Point proven
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low girder
970 sprint relic 👌
topaz axle
@gilded lark help
shrewd oriole
@lone junco gratz dude
dense blaze
Is poison bomb good class design
shrewd oriole
no
plain thistle
better than other classes where you dont have buttons to press if you dont proc shit
plain thistle
🤷
lone junco
@fast nacelle granted that 84 artifact was our own Loktork. he made front page on garothi for snd.
he has gone "all in" on outlaw for sure
fast nacelle
the legend
wooden schooner
that bae tyra is actually my cutie pie
floral loom
what's the deal with the apl disagreeing with the guide for sass on a few key points? like opening with vendetta and using FoK as a builder? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9a9EJKbhamxPNom9FTobUk/simc
is this now the general recommendation?
floral loom
right, but the report i linked is with one target with a recent APL
and it's using fok with 3 cp's
manic vigil
wait wait wait .... you envenom after vanish with NS even without mantle? 
so I've been doing it wrong all this time
wise frigate
APL still has you FoKing at 3 CP with 1 or more Poison Knives traits.
manic vigil
sorry this is out of place, my data volume is used up so I can only read what you guys are up to with massive delay all the time whiule at work
that's a fair point
quick talon
uni where do you read that ?
manic vigil
didn't mizu ask earlier and that was what weak said?
quick talon
meh now i have to go through this
manic vigil
it's not far up
quick talon
🤷🏿
manic vigil
I still run NS without shoulders occasionally when I'm too lazy to respec (so I can swap to mantle setup for kin etc easier)
quick talon
Can imagine it depends on your stats but meh
manic vigil
tbh vanish without mantle seems like a tiny deal anyway
not using Subterfuge might be a bigger deal on mutli dot fights tho
so maybe I should just not be a lazy ass and spec appropriately
west spade
Hi, on the mantel opener, why toxic blades before kings bane ?
lone junco
@floral loom fok is a builder at >=4 in st if you have PK relics. it is not ideal, and PK sucks but it is a minor improvement if your crit is low.
shrewd night
^
west spade
Oh ok thanks looks like I have to reas KB tooltip again to see how it’d benefit from TB
lone junco
main hand and offhand hit.
so in shoulder with tb, they both crit and are buffed with TB/vendetta
@manic vigil i can look into that a bit more. but my napkin math from a while back had them about even.
manic vigil
you mean envenom vs rupture without mantle?
warm parcel
People just dont like to use ven first global
Me included
And ye fok is with 5+ pk and 3+ cp
safe tiger
wise frigate
So is that actually an increase or just leftover APL shenanigans? Cause I still have 1 PK sadly.
safe tiger
i was late for the raid and missed it -.-
manic vigil
I did use fok when I still had PK relics
lone junco
@wise frigate I ran for myself and it was not a gain. you can test easily by relic compare and swapping your pk for cloak.
warm parcel
You can try and remove said line and see what happens for your gear
manic vigil
actually feels good
void pecan
Got 965 malch relic with mastery 2nd trait and bb 3rd. So that's nice.
lone junco
dont edit. just swap for cloak. it will disable the fok.
warm parcel
no?
lone junco
for meee. with higher crit it was not a gain
wise frigate
I'll try that once I finish this homework that I keep distracting myself from.
west spade
thanks, is vigor on par with deeper stratagem for mantle? I like the play style of Deeper Strat but I’m worry to not have enough energy to get enough envenoms during mantle buff?
lone junco
relic compare will show them side by side with % gain. was easier for me anyway.
west spade
Poison build and mantle
Cool I’ve been plying vigor and was missing strat playstyle thanks
glass compass
Shit I'd go vigor even if it was a bit behind, DS feels soo damn slow
west spade
Y the shoulders is why I switched to vigor
warm parcel
Well when youre combining vanish and ven youll never run out of energy during mantle
solid field
just give us back agonizing poison kappa
west spade
I have to try it then to see if I get the same number of envenoms during vanish mantle
wise frigate
Just swapping the relic to CoS is a 0.4% decrease. So I guess it's a minor increase to FoK at 3 for me? Hm.
wise frigate
Working on it. Too bad I can't get blood relics to save my life.
lone junco
(just to verify, check the cos html, and see that there is no fok
floral loom
@lone junco thanks for the clarification. i unfortunately have 2 fok relics not even from the bug, just bad rng
lone junco
@floral loom one guy has 7malch/7pk on purpose. still likes if for m+
in 3t it is a huge gain
just not st
floral loom
true
manic vigil
okay, the apl does envenom instead of rupture apparently
weak was right, who would have thought? 
warm parcel
when
you mean even without mantle?
And yeah. APL doesnt diffrenciate mantle/nonmantle anymore
Its just when rup is more favorable
lone junco
the vanish ns rupture is so much stronger for Exang because of the overlap with vendetta and bota . Without exang the 32sec rupture ticks away long after vendetta falls off, and you cant refresh bota.
manic vigil
oh it doesn't weak
kek
I had no idea
and yes I'm looking at my 2pt20 boots bracers SF vs NS
lone junco
(way to spread the word. I wonder how long that has been the case)
manic vigil
and comparing the apls
manic vigil
idk tbh ^^ I used to do it this way tho. standard opener and trying to get a NS buffed pandemic rupture
in the end, when playing poison without mantle, I feel like vanish is no big deal anyway
🤷
still want to play as good as I can tho
so I do care ^^
warm parcel
Again last I fiddled with openers
With tb on opener env was better due to tempo reasons
You dont want to waste rupture uptime
You want to take use of TB
You want tier up asap
You want more env during kb
manic vigil
that makes a lot of sense
warm parcel
But like the baseline is and will be
Rupture crushes envenom in raw damage
Rupture just has to fulfill certain conditions in order to not be too inefficient
Like if you look at mantle and rup
manic vigil
I actually understand 
warm parcel
On opener it makes no sense cause
- you clip so much of rup
- You dont use tb
- you dont have env for so long then
- Mantle happens to like instant damage more than dots cause duh 5 sec dura
manic vigil
absolutely
strange python
civic palm
. . .
manic vigil
fair enough
civic palm
I don't know who this is targeting.
As an audience.
HE SAID FUCK OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
manic vigil
12 btw? 
civic palm
No idea.
quick talon
stop the bullies
civic palm
noty
quick talon
ok
manic vigil
wut
warm parcel
Oh does that happen 🤔
manic vigil
¿?
lone junco
manic vigil
lone junco
wait.. Garrote mut vanish rupture.
strange python
monkaS
quick talon
nice delete
manic vigil
now it's using envenom in the opener, then rupture and the last one it even uses muti
lone junco
nothing really matters...
civic palm
👏
lone junco
toooo meeeeee
quick talon
feelycraft 👌🏿
civic palm
When the human programmed robot is practicing feelycraft. 👌
lone junco
at least mine is good
warm parcel
APL just lost some strict ruling when it comes to openers
lone junco
civic palm
Yeah.
warm parcel
But doesnt seem like its any win to force it not to rup if you happen to get 4cp muti
civic palm
The rules/conditions can be weird when there are a lot of them.
lone junco
i had swol write me a exang fish routine after he fixed the exang apl to match.
turns out .. its a wash.
but higher max.
quick talon
@warm parcel dude that voice in that song fokkin scared me
lone junco
should have seen the robot full on fish for bota. rupture rupture rupture rupture rupture
civic palm
l o l
lone junco
Ill keep my 1fish
warm parcel
These are random songs I used to listen some years ago
In totally unorganized mess
I think trap was hot around this time
warm parcel
Naa just a student
quick talon
easy
lone junco
Carrot on CD
quick talon
👌🏿
safe matrix
I miss my party rock
civic palm
Look trap is good any year you just gotta dig for it.
safe matrix
lmfao was my shit
civic palm
If I could vomit directly onto you, I would.
void pecan
Hey listen
lone junco
void pecan
party rock is in the house tonight.
safe matrix
It's okay, that's my fetish
quick talon
ouh youre making me hard mizer
void pecan
everybody's gonna have a good time.
manic vigil
dat sighing on weak's wa 
quick talon
ya 😄
manic vigil
first time I was watching him I was totally confused
warm parcel
Unlucky
quick talon
Is that a pug, or group of friends?
warm parcel
An ancient btag friend who pugs
quick talon
Ah
manic vigil
finally joined the 2mil+ club btw @lone junco just barely but I'm in!
the mythic chest pushed me over 
civic palm
Nice, now SIM for light movement 😛
manic vigil
no bully
safe matrix
sim for light bully 😛
manic vigil
on it
quick talon
now the interesting groups getting pulled
quick talon
rip
manic vigil
@civic palm now it's just barely not over again. You are evil 
warm parcel
thats pug tanks in a nutshell
quick talon
yea poor healer
vestal wren
👀 weak has 5 viewers (6 now)
warm parcel
👋
warm parcel
Would have 20 if naya was here
civic palm
@manic vigil Yeah well it turns out you were measuring your dick with the wrong ruler the entire time. =\
manic vigil
stop crushing my dreams you bully @civic palm
vestal wren
oh your stream quality is to high
quick talon
This group probably disbands soon D:
vestal wren
rip
quick talon
o n e m o r e w i p e
manic vigil
and I'm out?!
quick talon
and it wont be in time
warm parcel
mm whatcha sayy
quick talon
yea atleast the music is fine
manic vigil
I blame weak tbh. you should use your memento magic powers to somehow make this an easy run 🤷
we should all subscribe to weak and make him our full time cam girl
quick talon
this song is like preparing for something big
quick talon
Climax 💦
manic vigil
quick talon
Why would u force yourself into a 18 brh pug tho
civic palm
Thinking that things could go worse.
warm parcel
Hadnt done weekly on this
lone junco
our shadow complains about M+. are they good at higher keys? I imagine we just murder the low key trash fast enough that insanity drops
warm parcel
Good?
quick talon
i usually deplete all my keys down to 15
warm parcel
Theyre fine
lone junco
one of my flex options for BFA is shadow/disc. but im not sure.
civic palm
Yeah I need to make all my WA sounds Bnet or Discord noises.
vestal wren
wow that sounds horrible
warm parcel
k this tanks blind
civic palm
omnomnomnom
warm parcel
LUL
warm parcel
So now tank pulled till boss 🤔
I get that you can take that one fellord alone
Then do big pull
Back to money make
vestal wren
money making?
warm parcel
Well ah play
vestal wren
oh you mean ingame money
quick talon
the only content left
vestal wren
playing the ah game
quick talon
Just watching weak while TSM snipe is running 👌🏿
quick talon
Is frostwhisper a high pop server?
keen inlet
so true
in so many realms
I don't care about my names
I just want
server merges
none of this CRZ shit
warm parcel
I mean
I made this char in legion
But I was fairly lazy with gold this xpac
And I spent it all 😄
civic palm
G G
quick talon
I think I made the majority of my gold when that forge came out
civic palm
ezmoney from hoarding
warm parcel
I never got into mog either
quick talon
D:
civic palm
Might go up now due to the looting rules limitations/changes from the recent leveling patches.
civic palm
and people not wanting to go do a dungeon on a different character because that's tooo harrrd, booooohoooo
quick talon
cant do that on draenor tho
lone junco
I spent my golds on oblit gear for pally/dh. then the portals just erased it all.
my b.
dominion cards for everyone
too bad that didnt get the 935 treatment
quick talon
The best thing i did in wotlk was buying all the Eternal Fire from the AH (except the few ones that were really high priced) for like 10g/ea. I kept buying all of them for a few days, even weeks. So the price went from 10g/ea to 100g/ea.
Then the last day i bought all the Eternal Fire and stocked it. Then i started selling them like crazy.
I gold capped on 2 characters with that, it was fucking insane
quick talon
Best time to buy items used to be like 4-6am on EU servers. Idk if that shifted
warm parcel
I found cheapest time like 8am on fw
keen inlet
I would gather a f'ton of starlight rose
civic palm
EZPZ
keen inlet
and go back to EN/nightwell launch
quick talon
placing bets on germany vs brazil 7-1
civic palm
hahaha
keen inlet
civic palm
At least I gold capped this expansion > _>
civic palm
Which I guess was harder than in the past due to the increase.
keen inlet
I've never capped
civic palm
Deal.
quick talon
I think I only capped back in wotlk
multiple characters
but cap wasnt that high back then
keen inlet
idk how it happened
quick talon
like 230ish k i remember
keen inlet
I had a ton of gold in wod
civic palm
Back in the day you had to cap multiple toons, then cap your gBank.
keen inlet
and then spent most of it in legion
i think alts
ended up costing me
oh
and wow tokens
didn't pay for a year
heh
civic palm
mmmm wow tokens.
I haven't paid for time this entire expansion > _>"
Fucking best deal ever Blizz thx.
quick talon
ow lootboxes with blizz money
warm parcel
Ive yet to get bfa
civic palm
I needed muh Velflady.
warm parcel
Feasts still making mad bank
warm parcel
dmf one is better 🤔
manic vigil
I'm terrrible with money irl and it translates into the game 🤷
but "playing the ah" is definitely a kms thing
no friggin way
manic vigil
I hjad like a million but I'm not trying very hard
manic vigil
just doing gold m,issions on 2 or 3 chars
civic palm
atm I have like, 300blizzbux
manic vigil
that's pretty good
being rich IG would have some merits tho I give you that
don't mind the 12bucks but things like transferring etc
with gold is 👌
urban storm
I’ve made like 900k since buying bfa and boosting mage
Gonna be less now cuz if the blood of sargeras mission nerf, can’t do as many missions on all my alts
civic palm
God the fucking blood mission nerf =\
urban storm
I can now only do them on my Druid cuz of the guy who reduces cost, and on my rogue cuz that’s the only character I ever do wq on now
manic vigil
I totally missed that tbh
stopped sending missions on alts where I ran out of ressources
because 
noble anvil
I cant seem to sim higher than 1.5mil and I feel really energy starved, is it because I dont have 4 piece?
void pecan
yes
urban storm
Probably
lone junco
@noble anvil 4p is good. 950 is good.
urban storm
There was lots of pooling
keen inlet
yep
warm parcel
Should just get gcap for bfa
noble anvil
what goals should I be making to improve my character
warm parcel
omega
onyx falcon
Coin of Many Faces + World Shinker = Amazingness
quick talon
vapid moth
!relics
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quick talon
5280 D:
noble anvil
is there a tier list for legos as assass
vapid moth
lol
keen inlet
Bracers/boots/mantle >= crown >>> everything else
vapid moth
you want 3 leggos
keen inlet
yw
vapid moth
^^^
quick talon
On this server there are only 31 auctions with saronite ore
might buy em all playing big games
Selling all 5200 rn would be 156k gold. But i'll try to rise the price a bit
viscid helm
sounds like a lot of effort for nothing
lone junco
yeah. my best fun was flipping mythic boe's early in a tier
quick talon
yea indeed
lone junco
people play dumb money for TF.
warm parcel
Theres 36 on our realm
quick talon
Guess you can easy rise the price
but risky, never know if people are still hoarding them somewhere
like I didnt even know I still have 5k
🤷🏿
devout hollow
saronite?
lone junco
always high, always sells fast
quick talon
saronite ore
devout hollow
thats ~312 bars
ye I stumbled onto that racket on my server when I wanted to make a jeeves
warm parcel
yup
devout hollow
could easily make 40-50k an hour in sholozar
quick talon
farming the mats tho
I spent hours infront of my AH
man but on draenor its a fucking mess
want to trans again 😦
devout hollow
i know, anyone who actually makes gold will tell you to never waste time farming
quick talon
ya
lone junco
yeah, eww. Phone app while pooping at work.
devout hollow
quick talon
Well youre on a lowpop server
just buy all the raw mastery gems
hoard them, big profit in 3 days
civic palm
I think since the vendor release I have sold some 300 mastery gems > _>
warm parcel
Theres people on this realm with endless stacks
I cant challenge them
I can just outbid them like I did in tos
😄
quick talon
lets see saronite ore on draenor
56 auctions, same price
can u still snipe gem colors
with those gem chips ?
quick talon
ah i see
warm parcel
eh
130k in these 4 hours
Ill take it
Oh shit
I totally forgot twink gear
That was my jam all early xpac
vestal wren
XD
lone junco
Did someone say 
quick talon
atleast undercutting with TSM is chilled
quick talon
F
quick talon
you could try getting some tsm strings for tmog and slowly get into it
really worth it
warm parcel
I had
quick talon
not on every server tho
quick talon
weak next stream when
quick talon
HAH
coarse nymph
narh im good homie
gl tho
i littraly had no money for food the last 6 days this month
austere crane
anyone have a rogue burst macro
viscid helm
civic palm
_>"
quick talon
vanish env mut env mut env
viscid helm
nice
viscid helm
wish that was our guild
void pecan
Duh.
viscid helm
i mean that's literally the dream
civic palm
This is a fucking Moonkin? - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXE1oXjVMAEW64H.jpg
viscid helm
apparently
civic palm
O _O"
coarse nymph
whole lotta savagry
shrewd oriole
that looks cool
civic palm
Man they did some fucking work.
viscid helm
i like how people have been asking for a new boomkin model for the past 10 years
and now alliance gets cucked
viscid helm
is there a cat form yet?
shrewd oriole
those forms look sick
gaunt moat
but it looks like a turtle
quick talon
Flowi did u ever say something positive about this game? Except that you dont have to play
viscid helm
i can't recall
quick talon
Unhealthy relationship
viscid helm
well starting next raid
i can bench every single week
why isn't there PoB update yet
quick talon
PoB?
gaunt moat
Path of ITTB bad game 😦
viscid helm
someone kick @quick talon from here
quick talon
not me
quick talon
?????
quick talon
latest is still 25 dec
so calm your nipples
@olive crow you better donate to https://www.patreon.com/openarl
if u want faster updates
crystal fox
like flowi would actually contribute to something,ha
quick talon
link
fervent beacon
viscid helm
fervent beacon
Look gay, I'm leaving this disgusting channel.
viscid helm
nice occult stun immunity
zealous dew
what stuff is that
proven kettle
'eyy 143% mastery.
crystal fox
that's low
viscid helm
how is it low tho
quick talon
scion trickster
viscid helm
hell i only got 140%
proven kettle
I mean.
I haven't gotten to use my rogue since NH since our ranged dropped and I had to swap.
so I feel a'ight with it
midnight latch
Hello
midnight latch
is this the poe discord?
viscid helm
yes
void pecan
it is now
quick talon
@gaunt moat channel name change when
proven kettle
'eyy playing with the wrong talents isn't helping. gg me, gg.
dapper cliff
guys, which relic should I use reduce vendetta CD or increase dmg dealth by poison 35%
crystal fox
you canadian 'eyy?
dapper cliff
[Nathrezim Incisor][Svirax's Grim Trophy]
crystal fox
oh yeah we can totally click those items
proven kettle
wtb haste tho. 19% feels low.
quick talon
crystal fox
you trolling asenia?
foggy nymph
alright so question.. I just started to play rogues and i love it. How do i start leveling up my order hall so i can use two legendarys?
proven kettle
I wish. I'm playing all feely-craft right now.
viscid helm
i mean i got 25% haste, and its almost as valuable as Vers
crystal fox
get out
viscid helm
already
viscid helm
yes
fervent beacon
I should resim myself with Alacrity again, I did fairly well when I ran it.
Well time to hang myself at work.
jovial kite
playing sts
gilded lark
Working
void pecan
^
jovial kite
its rude to lie broadsides
void pecan
What a break
lone junco
is lil'bling rare?
crystal fox
no
lone junco
960 cloak relic. tbh I deserve that for getting rings 3 weeks in a row.
good stuff.
960 Dark solitude (3k crit/1.2k vers) 960 Melandrus. 960 Thumb ring
crystal fox
cant wait to get my 960 chaos crystal tomorrow
gilded lark
Dk actually got something useful 
strange python
simming higher without shoulders 😦
void pecan
there there.
dire spoke
I would have benched myself
dire spoke
👺
sometimes I wish I was in Tom's guild, just to get benched
when you're in a guild where it doesn't matter what you do
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
split veldt
where can i find crucible spreadsheet again?
quick talon
Why would u not like to be benched
safe matrix
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
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gray_hounds relic sheet:
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safe matrix
👀
dire spoke
I dieded on KG laser today 
split veldt
ty
quick talon
How can u die to that 😦
safe matrix
cloak?
hello?
Actually I've never tried to cloak ruiner, cause I never get hit by it 😎
safe matrix
trilliax changed directions and was fast as fuck
crystal fox
quite sure i never died on trilliax beam
cant believe people who die from ruiner and trilliax beam
dire spoke
I discovered that when you're closer to the boss, it hits you earlier
quick talon
trilliax you died if shadowstepped
neon bluff
cant believe people make mistakes?
quick talon
KG shadowstep is safe
neon bluff
feelsoutlawman
dire spoke
photoshopped 
lone junco
nah.
neon bluff
poisonbombshopped
lone junco
outlaw. just a lot of deeps
lone junco
beats my cloak relic
neon bluff
i guess
shut willow
i'd have rather it forged
quick talon
avoidance man
shut willow
but, i have a bunch of high level items that have bad stats but have so much agi that taking them off is a DPS loss it makes me want to rage
dire spoke
also
I ShStepped to late on vari today
my brain was like ' oh you got necro from that'
ran out and cloaked
spawned an add
🤦
brainfart all over
split veldt
is tyhere a way to sim a relic without putting it on
teal glen
preview it with crucible then use raidbots
tulip grotto
hey guys can i ask smt
safe matrix
tulip grotto
about envenom uptime, specifically during kingsbane
thanks, so i know i should keep surge of toxins uptime on a max, and every cast it refreshes to 5 secs
during kingsbane when im maxed on cp but low on energy, with 2-3 secs left on surge of toxins shall i cast envenom or wait for it to be like 1 second so i dont cripple myself on energy
ok thanks
quick talon
eh..
tulip grotto
i see that would make sense
quick talon
well env buff also will increase your kb dmg?
void pecan
@split veldt your new relic is.. better?
tulip grotto
i understand
split veldt
@void pecan but it simmed worse?
tulip grotto
and waht about when kingsbane is not up, is it the same?
tulip grotto
ok thanks so much 😃
one last detail, if im on 4 cp with high energy, is it worth using fon to get to 5 cp to apply bigger bleeds/envenom
split veldt
@void pecan whoops, im retarded, i simmed it right htis time, i guess its like 4k dps better lol https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wzQXTM5wGwLgtt43J8hsSF
void pecan
🙃
tulip grotto
xd
shrewd oriole
scion
dire spoke
you should back2back or clip SoT while KB
it's pretty big and DOES modify KBs base ticks
quick talon
yeeea as flowi said, scion ele is better than the normal ele
shrewd oriole
yeah LOL
slim estuary
I know I should delay TB up to 10 sec to line up with ven but how long should i delay KB to line up with ven or TB or delay ven for KB
slim estuary
spam everything? I was told that sin was more about lining up than spam like sub
slim estuary
np, I sure can spam. I love spamming
dire spoke
burn him with cute puppies
dire spoke
quick talon
If youre not fucking up env uptime
your kb should be at ~30s anyway
so it ends up in a max delay of 5 seconds of tb
Or you just pop both on cd and always have the initial hit of kb buffed
of course tb is worthless if you dont put 3 envs in there 🤷🏿
dire spoke
I mostly manage two ):
honestly
I don't get how you work rupture around TB and KB properly
lol
my struggle
maybe I should start 3CP rupture or so 🤷
void pecan
sounds like waste of cp
quick talon
the only time you dont want to refresh rupture
is during TB window
shouldnt be that hard eh
dire spoke
but you don't want to delay TB
quick talon
then he would delay TB
yea
fuck that
in that scenario (even tho im 100% thats pretty rare) i'd refresh rupture out of the pandemic window before the TB
dire spoke
well I either refresh at 3s or 10s because CP cuck me relatively often and I don't get ezpz gameplay
29% base crit
):
quick talon
that does sound like some clunky gameplay
dire spoke
I really need aggra head and kg ring
tulip grotto
162 mastery to 35 crit here
dire spoke
weak 
dire spoke
uni 👺
manic vigil
yeah fuck mantle 
void pecan
NS sims pretty low
manic vigil
at first it was a dps loss for me as well but I still played it
now 2pt20 is my strongest setup
mantle got no chance
strange python
Dayum looks like getting rid of my shoulders was very good idea
manic vigil
and my crit is rather low, too btw
I mean shoulders + bracers makes for the best yolo bombs I guess
but I like the consistency of boots bracers
strange python
2.42m on garothi. old logs are 2.05-2.1m
balmy condor
2pc for poison?
manic vigil
ya
fringe zodiac
hey guys do you play with vigor or deeper strategem
crystal fox
vigor all ze way
steep obsidian
fk alacrity
steep obsidian
what gear do you actually need for alacrity to sim well? or does the apl not deal properly with it yet
plain thistle
the apl doesnt play it right
you can maintain T21 2p uptime close to 100% with alacrity, but on simc its like 90%~ ish
