In apl?
#assassination
warm parcel
hazy flame
Yes
hazy flame
Shoulders bracers NS
hazy flame
Well its mostly shoulders, u rupture with bracers boots everytime i think
At least apl does
warm parcel
Dont think so
hazy flame
Ladt time i checked it did havent played bracers boots in a while though
hazy flame
Ok i didnt knew that :)
stone briar
Does it matter if I go with poison or bleed build? Or does it depend on leggos/encounter which one is better?
hazy flame
Then i guess ill just envenom sub 30% anyway
warm parcel
Thats generally the better one. There are times rup wins even with mantle.
1 you dont drop tier uptime due to it
2 you dont screw tb/kb cause of it
3 pandemic fits
4 boss doesnt die during rup
frank sentinel
@stone briar bleed build is really gear dependent. you need high crit, decent vers, t20 2p, and 3 master assassins. but once you get to a point, it may outsim poison (like it does for me). but this is just purely ST, and poison is pretty gnarly for AoE. not to mention when you do reach a high gear point, poison bombs can have a significant effect on your parse. for bleed, poison bombs don't have as huge of an impact. bleed is quite consistent with its damage, though.
hazy flame
Yeah i understand might aswell just play safe and just env, its a small increase for something that can backfire really hard
stone briar
Oh thanks for the insight. Guess I start with poison then ๐
frank sentinel
oh and for bleed, generally boots+bracers/insignia are used.
viscid helm
Bleed is flat out better at high ilvl but like it was mentioned it needs a lot of specific items
stone briar
So difficult to keep track of all the possibilities when you came from a game with one fix set and one fix build
strange python
got the wrirsts just need hsoulders now woooop
viscid helm
There is really no difference between boots and mantle if you have them
hardy pewter
the playstyle is quite different, I much prefer mantle
kindred forge
And that depends from off pieces really......For me, mantle is like 60k +
Not to mention relics ๐
strange python
but bracers and prydaz is better then argus ring and prydaz right?
viscid helm
Bracers are the only so called BIS lego
cold oracle
@strange python if you just need shoulders you can game the system and use other loot specs to get a q1uick leggo if you havent played them much, i switched to outlaw for an emissary and they dropped straight away. The different loot specs have individual leggo bad luck so you dont really lose anything by doing it
strange python
so with them u jus gotta make sure bgleeds up and poisons are up thy are already tho
stark heart
@cold oracle but you have to get lucky and not loot cross spec leggos like prydaz 
strange python
so whats the best rotation for the bracers to maximise dps
stark heart
read? 
viscid helm
Noxxic has pretty good one
shrewd night
They probably stopped reading after they saw you promote alacrity 
Because they are noxxic
patent topaz
I used shoulders boots on kin garoth and was 2nd dps behind ww monk. But thats just wipes
median marsh
It is? you have vendetta at start of every add and you can use it on boss as well?
I assumed not
viscid helm
Yes it allows you to use vend on adds and boss
median marsh
and you start with first vendetta on add I assume?
viscid helm
Yeh the first adds spawn to fast to be able to vend on pull
But after that
Its add boss add boss etc
median marsh
Cool, I'll try it out.
atomic grotto
@viscid helm can u do that on kingaroth without master assassin relics?
jovial kite
i usually end up holding vendetta for 15-20 seconds with 3x ma + boots
viscid helm
Prob requires like 1?
jovial kite
so i think kinga with shoulder boots is one of the rare bosses where 3x ma is excessive
and yeah prolly what flowi said
atomic grotto
yeah i use 3 ma too and i m holding vendetta but i was wondering what happens if u drop them all
lethal heart
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
atomic grotto
one more question for the bleed boys
if u play exsang without t20 2p
do u get headaches from garrote? ๐
jovial kite
i wouldnt play it without t20 2p.. get headache from thinking about it even
atomic grotto
cause i saw on herodamage sims that the dps loss is not that big
jovial kite
you lose so much, not only garrote dmg but ur energy regen is scuffed for lost uptime
lethal heart
do you have high t20 2p
jovial kite
960 940
jovial kite
but tbh @atomic grotto im not familiar with actual dps without t20 as ive never even considered playing without
if you got big offpieces the loss might not be that big
Never simmed
atomic grotto
im simming currently 100k less than my poison build
warm parcel
Its bad
atomic grotto
but im not optimized for exs
warm parcel
A good 50-100k from t20
plain thistle
you have a 960 T20 piece?
jovial kite
Yassss
plain thistle
๐
atomic grotto
well goodbye thought of playing some bleed for fun
vernal adder
jared leto got x2 960 t20
plain thistle
im using my 930 + socket T20 shoulder still
plain thistle
thx but ill not pug avatar mythic, ahahahaha
jovial kite
its not a pug
plain thistle
really? US?
viscid helm
I carry
frank sentinel
i will say at my 970 ilev, i run 930 shoulders and 935 gloves for exsang and it still outsims my optimal poison build of boots+bracers
plain thistle
I would love to join, add me later : Jhonwei ๐
jovial kite
We eu
viscid helm
TB will never outsim exsang at high ilvl
viscid helm
The higher the ilvl, the more TB falls behind constantly
jovial kite
And flowi
plain thistle
maybe I need to find a good group doing it on US, maybe a good guild that pugs a few ppl, dont know ๐ค
warm parcel
:ok_hand:
vernal adder
joku suomi runi?
plain thistle
yeah, my T20 pieces are : 930 shoulder and 955 gloves, I basically need to farm for shoulder
frank sentinel
^
plain thistle
my beautiful 955 gloves that I got on the first week of ToS mythic ๐
viscid helm
Tfw our SP has 980 t20
plain thistle
lol
plain thistle
maybe I ill do avatar with rogue this week, I really need the T21 helmet ๐ฆ
jovial kite
What
vernal adder
?
frank sentinel
it's ok. ion loves his memes.
plain thistle
@warm parcel wowprogress only showing 3 argus kill, are you guys in vacation or something?
plain thistle
๐
turbid harbor
for subterfuge to get the max value out of the talent
plain thistle
thats probably subterfuge without shoulders
where vanish is just a CD to refresh garrote (with 125% more damage)
spring bough
what about nightstalker?
plain thistle
NS without or with shoulders?
spring bough
ns without shoulders ๐ฆ
plain thistle
you use vanish to refresh Rupture, in most cases
radiant robin
Did people switch back to exsang when fok got brought back to normal levels?
spring bough
well to keep it up for long time i guess
plain thistle
switched back to exsang? we never played exsanguinate ๐
spring bough
@viscid helm
viscid helm
Dont think i ever personally 5cp rupt
And exsang is the superior talent
๐คท
Just like it was in ToS
radiant robin
Damn im pretty mastery stacked now
sudden trench
Same. Sitting at 122%
vernal adder
122 what?
viscid helm
Well exsang requires t20 boots bracers and 3x MA anyway
radiant robin
Oh yeah miss me with ToS
Came back to expansion after 7.3 dropped
Honestly can't be assed to go run old raids
viscid helm
Then just stick to TB or Alacrity
sudden ocean
why is scourgewing not good on rogue
grizzled panther
It's decent lets be honest
jovial kite
nobody plays exsang except me 
Decided to switch after progress
Now we rocking big doink
viscid helm
Its to much effort
sudden ocean
lewd
vernal adder
smoking big doinks in amish
jovial kite
Yeah.. i had all relics set up during progress already so the switch wasnt bad
grizzled panther
We need bleed as 4th spec big time
jovial kite
and now im simming 120k more than tyrarolls at 979 ilvl
vernal adder
happy relics are gona next exp, have shit luck with them whole expansion
jovial kite
bleed is viable already
vernal adder
gone
jovial kite
And better than tb
grizzled panther
Lmao
jovial kite
๐
grizzled panther
๐ซ ๐ พ ๐ฐ
jovial kite
care to link when u get home?
Because i've done own sims high ilvl with different bis relics than what is sample profile
I think we can make the gap more than 97k
grizzled panther
What are your relics Slagg?
viscid helm
Prob
vernal adder
3x Poison knives
jovial kite
current 3x ma 2x dp 1x rupture
viscid helm
I didnt fuck around with it for to long
grizzled panther
And you are simming better on Exsang?
jovial kite
Yes
grizzled panther
I'll try to sim that also
grizzled panther
Biglels
vernal adder
what is the poison bomb uptime on those sims? Just curious
grizzled panther
Yeah thats the thing
jovial kite
Avg pb is 5%
jovial kite
3% lower with higher avg and less dmg swing
grizzled panther
Bleed just seems better overall in this tier tbh
vernal adder
aight, ty
grizzled panther
Poison bomb is the only thing that makes tb parse better
viscid helm
Well PB makes up for unlimited amount of mistakes
If you go over some R1 logs
They are awful
But doesnt matter how bad u are
When 25% is PB
grizzled panther
Exactly
frank sentinel
going over top mythic sin logs for argus is some ๐ฟ
vernal adder
I bet that is a ahc log
grizzled panther
Can't wait to try exsang
warm parcel
I did actually enjoy ex a bit after tos prog
arctic venture
guys somebodie have a tip for the best mythic+ gear?
grizzled panther
Pray the poison bomb lord
viscid helm
Ye it was quite fun, cant recall if i did our KJ as exsang already or did i change it to 1st farm
shrewd night
Ran CoS for weekly 15, got a titanforged set piece
The dream might be real very soon
warm canopy
under what conditions is exsang better than tb? gear sets/stats etc
viscid helm
High enough ilvl with the required items
warm canopy
what are the required items?
strange python
prysaz and wrists good combo cant sim it wont let me i got argus ring also
viscid helm
Yeh i dropped MP on alac
shrewd night
What do you mean you cant sim
sudden trench
Mine sims at 2240 at 970
strange python
wont let me with this comp i dunno tried everything
viscid helm
40% crit now with EP and like 75% mut crit
shrewd night
'tried everything', welp, what have you tried?
viscid helm
And crit value still hilarious
patent topaz
Think im down to 28 crit w/o eoc stacked and 172 mastery
jovial kite
Ill tery to optimize high lvl exsang when i get home
patent topaz
Swapped belt and got mythic pants
warm canopy
what you getting exsang/alac to sim at? my TB sims at 2.31 atm @ 974
viscid helm
Alac over TB anyday
jovial kite
simulationcraft
jovial kite
I mean keepyourself simmed
stark heart
stark heart
do you want to summon giggle-police? because that's how you summon giggle-police
nimble oracle
I must be doing something wrong! Last sim I did was 1.7M with 970 eq
grizzled panther
What
warm canopy
maybe your crucible is missing?
jovial kite
probably
vernal adder
๐ค
jovial kite
vernal adder
๐ฎ
grizzled panther
When your best damage is 
stark heart
jovial kite
must be @midnight latch
stark heart
vernal adder
fucking Nelbur
jovial kite
no? its 15:32
viscid helm
jovial kite
when u home can you link me the sims
keen inlet
jovial kite
or do i start from scratch now
viscid helm
I'll see when i get home
stark heart
@jovial kite you can but pick proper method for it
jovial kite
we getting there
thats 1 ilvl off tyrarolls ilvl
and 160k more
better than yesterday
ill link the 980 sim soon
and optimized relics
exotic glen
lorentz my dude
midnight latch
@jovial kite
exotic glen
you quit your guild yet?
warm parcel
Technically
midnight latch
viscid helm
And kicked lorentz
exotic glen
LUL
viscid helm
jovial kite
midnight latch
exotic glen
@stark heart need confirmation on this
midnight latch
@warm parcel ravioli ravioli poison bomboli
keen inlet
They said he was too busy programming russian facebook bots to sow dissent in USA
and kicked him
warm parcel
๐ค
keen inlet
#rumormill
stark heart
@exotic glen confirmation on what?
exotic glen
lorentz why did you die to cone again, sorry was just shilling for trump
stark heart
Argus is dead
exotic glen
did you get kicked
shrewd night
WEW
stark heart
not for performance
midnight latch
viscid helm
Sure u did
stark heart
you know nothing John Snow Flowi
exotic glen
you cant kick me, i will leave first!
warm parcel
You guys dont have gquit macro ready and bound to ctrl+5?
midnight latch
I have that ye
jovial kite
200k more than tyrarolls tb at 1 ilvl higher
zealous dew
nice neck
jovial kite
yes... its exactly 980
jovial kite
i mean
could pump it even more
switch the neck to be crit versa for example
change rings to be crit versa too
actually
changing it now
this profile is based off of my gear which isnt optimal but i can optimize the whole thing
brb
zealous dew
how many pantheon trinkets was that
fast nacelle
zealous dew
phone
jovial kite
ahh right
midnight latch
zealous dew
have you tried with SSf instead of go ?
zealous dew
howw worse , SSF vs GO
keen inlet
what, are you leeching repair $$ or something
jovial kite
base agi
keen inlet
like what's the point of kicking before leaving 
jovial kite
- ep with proc
fast nacelle
its better for PR
zealous dew
yeah but what's the difference between a 985+s SSF / EoC vs 1000 go / EoC
jovial kite
ssf probably diminishing returns from proc
due to high base crit vs eoc
my profile uses 2 murderous intent and 1 shocklight for this exact reason
and not 3x shocklight
zealous dew
kk
zealous dew
would be nice, thx
jovial kite
17k behind
vs eoc golg
@zealous dew
spec=assassination
level=110
race=blood_elf
role=attack
position=back
professions=alchemy=75/engineering=700
talents=2113331
artifact=43:0:0:0:0:1580:28:1579:1:1578:1:1577:4:347:1:1276:1:346:1:337:1:335:1:334:1:1384:1:333:1:332:1:331:4:330:4:329:4:328:4:327:4:326:4:325:4:324:4:323:4:1651:1
crucible=1739:1777:328/1739:1774:328/1739:1774:328
head=cavalier_hat_of_the_dashing_scoundrel,id=152163,ilevel=985
neck=choker_of_barbed_reins,id=142174,ilevel=985,enchant=mark_of_the_trained_soldier
shoulders=fanged_slayers_shoulderpads,id=147174,bonus_id=3563/1522/3336
back=cloak_of_the_dashing_scoundrel,id=152161,bonus_id=3612/42/1502/3528,enchant_id=5435
chest=vest_of_the_dashing_scoundrel,id=152160,ilevel=985
shirt=thug_shirt,id=2105
tabard=tabard_of_the_lightbringer,id=52252
wrists=zoldyck_family_training_shackles,id=137098,bonus_id=1811/3630
hands=fanged_slayers_handguards,id=147171,bonus_id=3563/1542/3337
waist=belt_of_fractured_sanity,id=151991,ilevel=985
legs=pants_of_the_dashing_scoundrel,id=152164,bonus_id=3612/1517/3337
feet=duskwalkers_footpads,id=137030,bonus_id=3529/1811/3630
finger1=band_of_the_sargerite_smith,id=152064,bonus_id=3612/1502/3528,enchant_id=5427
finger2=valkyr_ascension_signet,id=133679,bonus_id=3536/1612/3337,enchant_id=5427
trinket1=eye_of_command,id=142167,ilevel=985
trinket2=golganneths_vitality,id=154174,bonus_id=3985/3997
main_hand=the_kingslayers,id=128870,gem_id=152092/152092/152092,relic_id=0/0/0,relic_ilevel=965/965/965
off_hand=the_kingslayers,id=128869```heres the profile if anyones interested in fiddling with it
arctic venture
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
midnight latch
๐
jovial kite
so 12 ilvls more comparing to the sample profile
torment the weak and shocklight arent bis
it would seem versa scales way more with higher ilvl which is nice
strange python
BUT WHAT DO THE NUMBERS MEAN?
turbid harbor
versa is the same as agi
zealous dew
thx man
coarse nymph
no
coarse nymph
versa is etter
turbid harbor
it's just a flat multiplier
coarse nymph
?
turbid harbor
we just have more agi
coarse nymph
agi gives me dmg reduction
i didnt know that.
dident know
agi made me heal more
with leech and crimson vial
turbid harbor
i didn't realise you were simming for damage reduction
coarse nymph
today i learned.
turbid harbor
thought this was dps
strange python
Is exang tied to deeper strate and elaborate planning or follow sim?
coarse nymph
if we want to improve and understand the universe
jovial kite
ds and ep is the highest simming combo
turbid harbor
that's deep dude
strange python
adapt to alacrity? 1 lesser keybind here i come bois
fewer*
it';s not like one of my binds is crippled and therefore viewed as "lesser"
coarse nymph
its a lesser talent
its sort of like that acoustic kid you had in school
lesser than the rest of us.
hollow junco
acoustic screeching
coarse nymph
namaste
jovial kite
artistic screeching
coarse nymph
imo thats just flat out offensive.
strange python
Is it true that imbread children are the product of a male trying to mate with a loaf of bread?
just asking, i'm a very naive soul
jovial kite
@viscid helm https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bwxkzrc7FsETNj8pp6C57 when u get home
coarse nymph
its the dankest loaf.
lone junco
@jovial kite 2547. Am I taking crazy pills?
lone junco
Oh. Imagicnary
cerulean aspen
you set up optimal gear at 980 and you're comparing it against people using actual 980 gear?
lone junco
I ran a gearing strat the other day.
Was interesting to see the peak at 17c/14m/min haste. 0vers.
Ratio. So prob like 21/17
At 980
acoustic mortar
Rogue has been capped for 1 week. Got leggo bracers and 950 Eye of Command. Feels good man.
lone junco
Meaning at some point crit, causes a break in mastery over vers.
quick talon
What is this ๐ธ ๐ท talk
wispy prism
is there a reason boots are siming higher then bracers for me?
gaunt moat
@quick talon it's out i installed it
lone junco
Where's Tom.
umbral snow
๐ข
vapid moth
gaunt moat
@patent topaz don't.
patent topaz
Bully
warm geode
main outlaw
potent barn
hey any of you guys know how to make a "/say anything here" when bag of tricks procs?
plain thistle
@potent barn you can do that with a WA, on action you want "chat message - say - "what you want to say" , and for trigger you need : event-combat log-spell damage - source: player - spell id: 192660
done
๐
plain thistle
I can message you the paste bin if you need ๐
@potent barn https://pastebin.com/1hbUnJQG
lost mist
:((((((((((((((((((((((
dense quest
Time to go outlaw!
lone junco
that 
safe matrix
I got 970 mast/crit boots, but they're basically on par with my 980 crit/haste ._.
lost mist
are u sure? mastery has 2x weight than haste
safe matrix
no I'm not sure
fervent beacon
its the agi that will make the difference
safe matrix
it's not like I would have anything to compare it with
Like simming
/s
Only simmed 3k higher
Which is meh
In the realm of error
lone junco
...
lost mist
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nd95fnxGHAzBWgC1WrLBu7
hmmm changes was: crit 28 to 31 - mastery 208 to 197
why sim higher? my stat weight says that i need stack more mastery
lone junco
if you are going to deviate from the simc average based on the quartiles. that is completely up to you.
know that stat weights are ONLY 1300 stat.
so as you add/remove a single ring, you are out of the weights. range.
and weights are ONLY ADDITIONAL stat.
so yeah, shit is messy.
bold dune
wow noobe so insightful
keen inlet
Be nice
bold dune
when you're a rank one parser like bugilin that .2% can make all the difference in the world
lone junco
was it the caps? I should use them more often.
bold dune
oof
lone junco
ok
lost mist
im chilean lol
lone junco
nice
turbid harbor
mastery and crit both stat very nice
lone junco
that 1005 wep got you
turbid harbor
get both
bold dune
very nice great success
zealous dew
yeah i guess don't remember how much was before
turbid harbor
yakshemash
strange python
hey ladies, is a master assasin trait worth more than +15 ilvls on a relic? it means i'll go down to just 1 master assasin relic - does that mean i should switch from boots to bracers in such a case?
bold dune
I'm not a girl
quick talon
ti mis
strange python
yes you are
bold dune
also why don't you fucking sim it
jovial kite
strange python
im unfamiliar with simming relics
lost mist
actually i have a 965 m assa, if i get 980 shadow cloak trait relic, i will use it
bold dune
learn it
lone junco
dont start with what you perceive to be an insult and then ask for help.
quick talon
instead of leaving
bold dune
no
quick talon
strange python
well, its kind of impossible to sim without replacing the existing relic is it not?
lone junco
too nasty
bold dune
absolutely not true whatsoever
quick talon
Cant trust anybody these days
strange python
elaborate
lone junco
plan
quick talon
cant recall who said it tho
strange python
because right now you're not really being helpful - which is what this platform is for?
safe matrix
There's a relic sim on raidbots
zealous dew
that image is awesome
keen inlet
strange python
@lone junco you're upset about someone saying "hello ladies" .... wooooooowwww
lone junco
hey douchebags, tell me stuff. I demand it.
keen inlet
bold dune
Noobe you're gonna have to work hard and learn yourself
safe matrix
T R I G G E R E D
jovial kite
DETOX NOW
keen inlet
@strange python You seem smart, so there are the pictures
jovial kite
APPROACHING HAZARDOUS LEVELS
drifting crypt
hey ladies, this is a no-bully zone ๐ก
jovial kite
DETOX
keen inlet
Raidbots is extremely straightforward.
lone junco
2000iq
turbid harbor
i don't appreciate being labelled as a lady
keen inlet
Go to Relic sim, enter your toon, enter relic options that you have.
jovial kite
DEADLY LEVELS OF NELBURS AND NOOBES SPOTTED
bold dune
too complicated
jovial kite
DETOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOX
zealous dew
i'm a lady in game, people tip me when i get the vest off
strange python
i'll check it out, thanks mate - i use simcraft so raidbots is unfamiliar to me
lone junco
zing
keen inlet
Raidbots is simc in the cloud.
bold dune
wtf raidbots is more intuitive than the desktop client
lone junco
you can sim relics in simc the same way
turbid harbor
i personally compile my simcraft version every 90 minutes
in order to participate in the most up to date simulation
lone junco
good art don
bold dune
really good circles Don
jovial kite
I personally give 0 fucks as can be seen here here and here
pliant tusk
Why are so many rogues on alliance side going Velf? sims on herodamage say human is the by far best choice, but these guys are showing some of the top logs for alliance o-o
keen inlet
Rest of y'all relax, I should be the only moody one today
@pliant tusk because blood elf skeleton
lone junco
pliant tusk
so literally dps loss for belf models
zealous dew
those are nice clouds
lone junco
pliant tusk
ok, they're retards
keen inlet
@pliant tusk It's not a huge loss of dps.
turbid harbor
or pasted that drake meme everywhere
pliant tusk
any loss isnt acceptable!
keen inlet
If you're not mythic prog it really doesn't matter
lone junco
@pliant tusk any loss isnt acceptable!
turbid harbor
you don't see a ton of alliance at all ๐
lone junco
prob more loss than racials
pliant tusk
needing eyes to do opener
keen inlet
They're the worst race, by far, for all rogues but poison. Like, not even close
keen inlet
People gonna play what they gonna play
quick talon
"baka"
pliant tusk
im officer in his guild xD
urban storm
Some ppl might not care about min maxing
fervent beacon
He's the other sin rogue in my guild ๐
quick talon
isnt baka the sign of pure 
keen inlet
Why is Nelbur nasty? Why is the sun hot?
infinite mysteries tbh
pliant tusk
Dius taught me everything i know
keen inlet
ancient aliens
pliant tusk
he is true senpai
solid field
Don't think you all can top my box this week.. 965 drape of shame..
pliant tusk
960 socket jeweled signet
jovial kite
drape of shame is actually good
safe matrix
๐ค
pliant tusk
man i aint goin outlaw gross
jovial kite
stop the motherburring bully
pliant tusk
he was here before me
and hes the irl boss of my friend, cant boot him without getting friend fired. he has me by the balls
jovial kite
STOP BULLY 
bold dune
your friend must be the detritus of society
shrewd night
Imagine the $$$ that would come from a termination like that
A termination like that would be outlaw style
safe matrix
Bad?
pliant tusk
Dius made me believe the outlaw dream once
pliant tusk
then our raid leader crushed it out of his soul
lone junco
๐ฉ ๐บ ๐ฒ ๐ต ๐ธ ๐น ๐ช ๐ท
shrewd night
๐ซ
lone junco
yeah. I lost my good pic.
vernal adder
BfA outlaw comeback
near rune
๐
keen inlet
eggplant
vernal adder
gonna slice your dick?
fervent beacon
I heard they are removing RtB, just a rumor tho
fervent beacon
but if they did, 100% sin or enhance shman
vernal adder
WHAT A MANEUVER
lone junco
I liked the idea of Loaded dice vs snd. but isnt mark on the same line?
lone junco
I guess you dont need mark in St. and you dont need LD in m+
keen inlet
I'm about 60% convinced otl will get a significant rework
80% convinced rtb will be gone
lone junco
profound maneuver
keen inlet
guess that'd kinda be the same thing tho
safe matrix
I just want sub to be the same as ToS
lone junco
felt good tbh
keen inlet
Sub's losing DFA
keen inlet
but getting a new ability that does the same thing without loss of control
could you
calm down
maybe
good lord
safe matrix
sorry sir
keen inlet
man's gotta type
lone junco
I think the DH blade dash is a good model.
safe matrix
I liked dfa though
lone junco
fake movement.
safe matrix
I'm one of the rare people
keen inlet
I like DH being forced to run around like idiots
lone junco
I liked dfa, until i landed in bad. over and over
keen inlet
I hope they expand on that
drifting crypt
how can you make a backflip and fly through the air without losing controll?
keen inlet
"mobile agi melee"
lone junco
we booted DH from mythic ursoc cause they kept dashing through the charge.
I dont want people flying around like idiots
keen inlet
they're removing the movement but keeping the damage amp/stacking/etc mechanic. AFAIK.
so basically it's dfa without the animation or the LoC
safe matrix
But jumping up was so nice, I'd use it to dodge shit all the time ._.
keen inlet
I want DH to suffer, taht's all they bitch about anyway "you haven't sacrificed what I have" aight, fine, run around like an idiot for your dps then ๐
vernal adder
death from ground
lone junco
I used it for knockback on KJ ๐
@keen inlet has KS always been 2sec? or is that condensed
lone junco
i saw the alpha notes had ks at 2 seconds
keen inlet
hah
that would be awesome but I don't see it lasting in pvp
unless they nerf it to pointlessness
lone junco
not really. it never hit hard
enough
and, the duration caused a cap
thats the same duration as a DFA right?
just a front punch instead of jump
safe matrix
New dfa
vernal adder
alac it is
lone junco
I hope cbb gets fucking strong
keen inlet
for alacrity to just go away
it needs to go away
it's a terrible talent, always has been, always will be
safe matrix
@viscid helm
keen inlet
whether "best" or not
near rune
that first row ๐ค
keen inlet
if you need that haste to compete
it should just be in the baseline template
no stacking, no bs
they removed alac for sin...that made me hopeful
lone junco
is there a reasonable resource for outlaw alpha testing, or is it going to be shit into the wind.
placid egret
lone junco
one of many things that made me mad about outlaw, was that mastery was %chance for a fixed value hit. they could have made mastery scale the gooch
I dont have enough wind to complain about how it turned out.
keen inlet
@lone junco There's the alpha forums, but unfortunately you can't post on them unless you have alpha
lone junco
rip
80% varith
holy shit. these numbers
I didnt realize how much sub had fallen
safe matrix
._.
fervent beacon
Yeah ABT isn't sub friendly for most prt
lone junco
the 4p\
verbal root
I think that those sub numbers are not quite accurate.. since a lot of people who plays sub on that encounter ends up being primary shadow killers
a lot of peole acutally go for marked for prey
keen inlet
I mean
it's also skewed toward sin
because so many people went sin
as you pointed out
so maybe sub would be more competitive
but we won't know because sin fotm
keen inlet
Yeah
turbid harbor
a lot of guilds open their logs after progress is done as well
so they'll be counting now
vernal adder
sub next outlaw in bfa
torn token
Private logs when you arenโt in wr ๐
vernal adder
game is in the "break" time before bfa
solid field
anyone here play a fury war? Mines sitting at ilvl 902, was thinking about gearing him up
fiery nest
Scuffed opener
solid field
I love that video
lone junco
@warm parcel I almost like that open. puts the tbkb in first shoulder overlaping the 2nd.
ive seen a few people with that vanish mut. maybe they are just bomb fishing. prioritizing the 4cp mut over the env.
warm parcel
it also wastes a cp and ns on muti
lone junco
anyway. fitting the tbkb in first, and 3env in 2nd within the tb, is my fav.
warm parcel
thats what the regular does
keen inlet
I just squirted hand sanitizer all over my crotch
at work, shirt tucked in
there is no hiding this incredibly awkward stain
must alpha this and glare/dare anyone to challenge me
terse rune
someone got a weak aura that shows me the buffed garrote when playing subterfuge?
terse rune
could u send me via pm pls?
lone junco
no. Im at work. but there are sin packages on wago. or notter
knotty pecan
When do you run boots bracers?
lone junco
always
knotty pecan
over mantle bracers?
lone junco
some dont, I wear mine to bed
knotty pecan
oh a funny guy
lone junco
Shoulder bracer is ok if you have low crit.
safe matrix
Shoulders scale down with crit
lone junco
my best poison spec is bracer boot, my best spec is exang bracer boot. Shoulder bracer is not bad. and is great for M+ trash.
Shoulder bracer has a mediocre average value, with a very high max.
aka 3 bombs in open and 3bombs in bracer vanish
vs 0 bombs
strange python
relic/nethertrait question: i see some guides sayin to go alchemist and some to go master assassin. which one is more desirable
knotty pecan
Master Assassin 7/7
strange python
obviously its ideal for both
lone junco
@knotty pecan BB helps cover the crit, but a good bracer boot set is like 35% +
strange python
but if you have to choose, which you obviously would have to, which one first
lone junco
If you are a poison boi, I would go malch first. unless you can get 3x vendettas
but you can sim the choices on raidbot relic compare
knotty pecan
@lone junco what is BB?
solid field
relic with the balanced blades perk
lone junco
@shrewd oriole we finished a Seat 16 last night. (fort) oy.
wose than any raid progress ive done in a while.
the quaking overlapping with the shadow pulsing wasnt very nice, but people were just gibbed over and over to a curse. we are prob just dumb and doing it wrong, but that trash was a mess.
never wished to be a warlock more.
lone junco
just a bit outside
strange python
i have three envenom relics so i feel obligated to use shoulders.
oh. i didnt scroll down.
rip.
fervent beacon
Hmm, my 960 loot cahce from weekly allowd me to rerun shoulders/bracers, not bad week
lone junco
3300 crit?
strange python
2900
strange python
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pseudo hamlet
Is anyone here using pre-paid cards?
lone junco
I have a prepaid starbucks card.
strange python
those don't exist anymore iirc.
lone junco
but it ran out
pseudo hamlet
Uhm they do
strange python
there was a blue post yesterday about how game time cards are gone I think.
a great time for mmo champ's blue tracker to be broken.
wow, it was deleted, so maybe they do exist.
๐คท
pseudo hamlet
๐ฎ
keen inlet
I can still see them purchasable on walmart.com, target.com, and gamestop apparently
fervent beacon
Blizzard wouldn't be stupid to get rid of game card because there are still bunch of kids who would use gamecard to pay for sub
zealous dew
stain free pants ?
strange python
sad thing is that ring might outsim my 935 crit mastery.
lone junco
No sad things. Stats are all there to boost dps. Haste is not negative damage.
Just don't trash your old stuff and sim the sets.
unborn root
Advice on how to kill myself? Guildie got a 960 EoC on his alt rogue in a random UK run. He just got another EoC on his monk from his weekly chest
strange python
drowning is a pretty horrible way to go.
fire is pretty bad too.
i read that hypothermia is very peaceful.
you feel like you're on fire, then you go numb, and pass out.
unborn root
I'm ordering helium tanks right now
strange python
never wake up.
keen inlet
or
you could tank argus lfr
like I did last night
which is probably the worst, even worse than KJ
10 minute fight, always wipe on last phase.
watching dps at 300k with 4 stacks of failbuff
Turns out when you turn up the 'difficulty' knob by putting large healthpools on lfr;
- people still queue anyway
- people don't get better/rise to the challenge
- you essentially punish "better" players for doing the content and helping out the 300k-ers
So basically nobody wins. gg
unborn root
Nelbur did you talk to my GM after I told you to kys after M KJ?
prime void
playing boots bracers with NS- when do you fit in your vanish rupture in the opener ?
unborn root
Because I got a stern talking to
bold dune
no idk who you are
unborn root
Amazing
prime void
playing boots bracers with NS- when do you fit in your vanish rupture in the opener ?
unborn root
You don't envenom with vanish on the opener?
prime void
why would i
unborn root
Just trying to squeeze more envenoms during the detta window
unborn root
Oh I'm retarded
prime void
vanish rupture= more dps
unborn root
I read shoulders bracers
prime void
fitting in the vanish rupture that early makes me feel reallllllly dry tho
unborn root
Yeah you just pop a rupture with w/e cp you have
prime void
@jovial kite