ok those are words
#assassination
patent topaz
what is this
civic palm
Madness.
patent topaz
anime in 2018?
oblique quest
hey guys quick questio
does anyone know what the tier 3 spec is for the blood relic off argus
for assassination
trait/spec for the relic
urban storm
Relic traits are random?
oblique quest
always?
civic palm
Yes
urban storm
I donβt exactly know what youβre asking
civic palm
The impossible.
urban storm
But yes all relic traits are always random
oblique quest
every drop or for each person
urban storm
The only set one is the one viewable in dungeon journal
oblique quest
like say i get it one week
oblique quest
okay thanks
distant moon
when u have to double soak empowered flame rend and waste cloak there <.<
verbal root
dont forget to proc really big cheat death
vestal wren
#hps win
quick talon
are u guys using big wigs or dbm ?
viscid helm
bigwigs obviously
civic palm
BW, there is no other option.
marble hemlock
DXE π€
marble hemlock
deus vox best bossmods
quick talon
heard that*
quick talon
isnt asmongoloid stuck to recount
civic palm
I mean, he's a mongoloid.
lone junco
rip this old ui
civic palm
ugh
lone junco
pretty sure that is recount and xperl
civic palm
What do we have left Flowi? Sab and INQ?
viscid helm
lmao i remember that cooldown bar addon
civic palm
and OMEN.
viscid helm
Jugg,Sab,Inq and Scion
civic palm
Scion probably last > _>
viscid helm
yeh obviously
civic palm
YeH
lone junco
I loved that Bartender grid for my Naga.
civic palm
Wonder what they are going to do to Jugg
lone junco
so few keybinds as rogue
lone junco
yeah prot had a lot of buttons
civic palm
That is some Web1.0 shit > _>
viscid helm
meh i dont have any of my old SS's anymore
lone junco
I fucking hate addon packages now
viscid helm
oldest ones i got saved are from Cata
civic palm
Hey I was a shaman! ... > _>" - https://i.imgur.com/tka3d.jpg
civic palm
_>
civic palm
I've got some madness for you. - https://imgur.com/D747S
That UI lasted like... 2days.
Fucking useless.
lone junco
pretty clean for the time
still one of my favs.
pvp vs snutz. and i dfa while his monk blinked. and i flew across the map.
he screamed like a girl.
it was glorious
lone junco
I liked spirit.
civic palm
Yeah Spirit is good π - https://i.imgur.com/ktRqP.jpg
Also, thanks Blizz for changing the character pane stats menus.
What ass those were.
Also give us the totem slot back you butts.
hoary copper
Earthshield, such an easy heal spell, I miss it
hoary copper
It felt effective too
lone junco
esp if you riptide chain off the tank. (i think)
hoary copper
feel like I heal like a wet noodle now
hoary copper
I still feel more effecitve on my other heals
keen inlet
how are mistweavers tho
hoary copper
I love spirit link tho
keen inlet
I never see any
lone junco
we had one, he loved it, but I smashed the heals out of him. so he went druid
hoary copper
I see them occasionally, but more often its priest/pally/druid
lone junco
zero sum. only so many hps to go around, and revival is too weak.
hoary copper
shaman I see somewhat and monk once in a while
hoary copper
holy felt so boring to play zZzZz
lone junco
hpal gets shut out for the boring stuff, then is god during the heat
hoary copper
Hpal feels the best to me. I have all the healers but hpal is the one I actually enjoyed. Plus shockadin is fun
civic palm
Shaman is ok, ok , ok, THROUGHPUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT, ok, ok, ok.
hoary copper
I still hate CBT for shaman
lone junco
stay out of the spirit link? verrrryyy interesting
hoary copper
I stay in, saves me a feint generally
civic palm
If you don't die and are not using your NRG, stay out IMO.
20 people at low health, or X people + healthy Rogues.
hoary copper
I always love having like 75% health while others are at like 25% because of cooldowns
shrewd oriole
necro out poggers
hoary copper
Anything I can do to make a healer's life easy
civic palm
Nice looking design, let's you get general power then specialize.
civic palm
Yarrr
Needed that BADLY.
If the raid is going to SLT + large AoE healer CD then whatever, but the healthier the people, faster, the better.
shrewd oriole
yeah I like the general power to every summon
civic palm
The node layouts seem better designed, which has led to some better leveling.
hoary copper
what game is this?
civic palm
Path of Exile
civic palm
...ok.
viscid helm
The increased quantity of items from slain normal enemies has been reduced from 50-100% down to 35-50%.
Bisco's Collar Nerf
civic palm
Filters being required is kinda a butt thing.
viscid helm
man this sextant change
lone junco
filter qol.. oy
viscid helm
ikr
viscid helm
better not
marble hemlock
i just want a unique that reduces ignite duration by like 95% or smth
civic palm
Hopefully not.
nimble tartan
civic palm
To be fair when I think of Inquisitor I think of other games first and they are always fiery.
and why is Discord taking s long to display some images, hmmm.
civic palm
mmm, was thinking it was their proxies.
but that's from puu.sh
Could be some server side checks or something.
civic palm
π
viscid helm
hopefully perandus is in and it isnt lvl8
solemn vapor
does someone have that image from pin .?
civic palm
What?
orchid prawn
@solemn vapor just click it, open/copy url
solemn vapor
That meme when people ask something that is in pin
safe matrix
Oh it was in basic questions pretty recently
So you just have to go there and scroll up a couple messages
vivid hound
In the ravenholdt opener guide, it only lists openers for w/ shoulders, w/o shoulders + subterfuge, and exsang. Is there a source that goes over w/o shoulders + nightstalker? Or if you aren't using shoulders (i.e. boots and bracers) is subterfuge always better than ns?
lone junco
@vivid hound easy answer, is to run a sim, and read the apl.
civic palm
Well find out whether NS or SUB is better for you.
lone junco
but you can do a talent compare first. ^
civic palm
Then either use Rupture or Rupture and refresh Garrote.
vivid hound
she meant subterfuge not the spec
safe matrix
did he π€
calm grail
You're not welcome here.
You see this tattoo?
This means subtlety not welcome here.
lone junco
@nimble tartan i love that druid ui. shit upon shit.
rogue is popular i guess.
looks like rogue is one of the small once. 31k in druid.
viscid helm
i mean dead class and all
lone junco
druid is pretty busy with tanks and heals and melee and ranged and being a tree
civic palm
They're also more interested in figuring out how they wanna line up in their Order Hall that day.
civic palm
What color gummybear is an important topic as well.
quick talon
skyhold is second with 79k
quick talon
working in 2018
civic palm
IN EU
HAHA
What with your...
vacation time...
and...
workers rights...
and paternity leave...
ugh.
civic palm
Depends on the Josh, for sure.
nimble tartan
dead class feelsbadman
grim canopy
After i get shoulders will my aoe still be super bad
quick talon
no
nimble tartan
what are we rerolling to in bfa π
grim canopy
cause right now i can't even beat peopel 20 ilvl lower doing 6m dps in 1 sec
while im still busy dotting things
safe matrix
You need the legendary cloak to do AoE damage as sub
but its not RNG like sin's AoE is
safe matrix
@shrewd oriole kys
lone junco
pretty good
shrewd oriole
fervent beacon
quick talon
hello mods?? Im get muted for dropping the k-bomb
lone junco
keep yourself simmed
safe matrix
LOL
plucky gale
Thatβs toxic
civic palm
Yeah because they were using acoustic in the place of autistic.
quick talon
πΈ
civic palm
In a very literal sense.
quick talon
I was talking about myself
civic palm
YEAH
quick talon
and this guy joined
civic palm
I KNOW
civic palm
bahahaha
quick talon
Tom
rn
Josh is showing is logs
his #1
Talking about how he hasnt found a GF, yet
hahaha
quick talon
ya
safe matrix
oh yes
quick talon
He's doing keys now
shrewd oriole
link pls
quick talon
with some girl
π
Sometimes i cant tell
if he's actually trolling
or being serious about certain topics
civic palm
haha
lone junco
holy shit. his flash is fast.
lone junco
tbh. I love that he was all chill with dk at like 10%. dropping cs and what not
quick talon
he is so cute
lone junco
what was that thing he dropped for rez?
void pecan
failure detection pylon!??
lone junco
neat
calm grail
20 IQ Noobe.
quick talon
noobe the cunt destroyer
calm grail
Banned
quick talon
i dont think noobe is a bad word
safe matrix
well destroying things is bad
civic palm
REALLY?!
safe matrix
I think he meant destroyer
quick talon
@gaunt moat @warm parcel @viscid helm @shrewd oriole http://store.steampowered.com/app/673950/Farm_Together/
RH farm when
void pecan
/s ?
civic palm
Gotta get on that Farmville.
fiery nest
My time at portia way better than stardew
civic palm
Start us a nice little Co-Op.
safe matrix
I really enjoyed stardew
viscid helm
14,99 to play with team acoustic
civic palm
Portia is hawtass compared to Stardew > _>
fiery nest
Neg
shrewd oriole
@quick talon how much is it
civic palm
Could just play, Really Old World of Warcraft - http://store.steampowered.com/app/200210/Realm_of_the_Mad_God
Oh well, will be embedded forever.
quick talon
u wanna play ?
civic palm
No I have a WW to level you mong.
viscid helm
idiots
quick talon
steam://openurl/http://cdn.edgecast.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/673950/ss_8d8064112c923875129f80232bc3cc426958d017.1920x1080.jpg?t=1519320717
this could be us
kool and the gang
civic palm
Could just play the big guys farming SIM.
quick talon
no
shrewd oriole
which one are you
quick talon
no1 its from the store page
Just waiting for Ravenholdt farm to happen
with team Acoustic
safe matrix
Sounds like a good team name
quick talon
Flowi came up with it, he's usually good at playing the guitar
from what ive heard weak is more the saxophone guy
π·
radiant raptor
hi guys, is eye of command still good even in antorus? i mean nearly everyboss u have to switch
undone nacelle
You get the stacks back super quick. Iβd say itβs mostly single target tbh. Besides portal and eonar?
safe matrix
EoC is a very strong trinket
undone nacelle
I really like eye of command
safe matrix
It's why people here still farm it
undone nacelle
Farmer upper Kara probly 30 times. Got a 945 with socket and I love it
undone nacelle
Forged fang surpasses though
tacit bay
hey guys with mantle do I vanish envenom or vanish rupture? Keep finding opposing information
plain thistle
you vanish envenom
quick talon
@plain thistle How u doing bud
quick talon
You guys reclearing?
plain thistle
10/11M, doing argus progression
but we do a upper wing reclear, usually on tuesday
void pecan
Niceu
opaque gorge
undone nacelle
@quick talon would you ever really want those hands as assassination though?
@quick talon I guess we get one off tier piece assuming mantle/bracers or mantle/boots?
nova pagoda
yeah there the best hands from the raid
nimble tartan
i use tier gloves cause im a MAN
safe matrix
I use tier gloves cause I have a 980 crit/mast/avoidance headpiece
quick talon
o π¦
rotund pier
I got 975 socket Argus chest and that offpiece is my bis π... crit/verse lol
nimble tartan
its a nice thicc piece
strange python
does anyone have a weakaura progress bar for garrote?
the wowhead one doesnt work
or the number for the trigger secion
austere tendon
its easy to make?? or just go to Wago
You can just open WA and go to the premade section and select debuff and pick garrote
civic palm
B O R E D
civic vector
Wow that's a tall resolution
civic palm
It's also made in Paint.
split loom
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
quick ice
Many pb, much damage
clever niche
Chaining bombs when the nature add is up and pushing the phase while still having the buff would be insanely fun
chrome karma
is it better to have 7/7 in master alcemist or vendetta
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
dire remnant
think i should run sin or sub for upper kara?
void pecan
which ever you're better with.
molten flicker
yes @dire remnant
@shrewd oriole that feeling when poison bomb is your top dmg spell and you're still rank 6
primal tangle
How many crit stacks did he get?
ripe tendon
whats the best personal food to get, mastery?
safe matrix
Well its not tyrannical
Sub is better, but sin is almost competitive on upper, cause its mostly single target
It would be better if it was tyrannical
molten flicker
sub is only better on curator, if you need the dfa to kill the adds
on the rest of the dungeon assa is better
(since assa > sub single target)
safe matrix
Eh, theres a few trash packs that subs better on
mana wyrms, trash before curator
chess
molten flicker
mana wyrms, sure if u play mana wyrm boss with aoe trinkets
safe matrix
Fair enough π€·
molten flicker
if it's high enough key they don't die right away anyways, and if so assa catches up and often surpasses
it's only really if u need dfa for curator u go sub
if you play both specs equally
in that dungeon :p
they are close enough that it comes down to what you play the best imo
primal tangle
That's it. I'm switching to healer
austere tendon
Yeah I find it that Sin once you get to about 23+ pulls ahead in overall over Subt
just becuase the trash doesnt just blow up
austere tendon
Yeah, with my team I still play Subt.
molten flicker
doubt it
austere tendon
Probs not. Subt is just more consistent
steep obsidian
23 is reasonably high
austere tendon
The problem with sin is that your AOE is just random.
molten flicker
what they do is save up big pulls for every 90 sec or whatever
steep obsidian
sin is pretty garb on low keys but is pretty good when you can actually use vendetta and not waste it
molten flicker
so that the sub can stack back and get trinkets etc
austere tendon
sometimes you neeed to actually provide dmg
steep obsidian
probably see a ton of ww monks i guess
depends on whether they can live easily liek rogues can
austere tendon
Nelth is probs one of the better for Sin rogues.
molten flicker
ye, only reason you'd bring rogue over monk is for stealth
austere tendon
especially if your team doesnt have a lock perma slow
molten flicker
I think for really high keys assa is better just for having +1 defensive
austere tendon
its all 2-3 target cleave on high health pools.
steep obsidian
I sorta like rogue for nelths and brh being able to evasion getting shot at ranged is handy
losing sucks balls
austere tendon
Arcway is also decent for Sin on really high keys.
bbuuuttt not having maassssive burst for Inq can be rough
molten flicker
assa has more burst than sub for that
austere tendon
the burst is still going to be lower than Subt without PB proc.
molten flicker
sub needs targets to use shuriken combo to pump any real single target dmg
steep obsidian
i dont agree
molten flicker
I disagree, subt has a few seconds of burst
austere tendon
Im purely talking 10-15 sec window.
steep obsidian
sin is pretty good on cos too
primal tangle
Just have 985 t20 π€·
molten flicker
ye but in cos u can do the shuriken combo pulls
u pull some adds with the minibosses
and sub can blast
steep obsidian
hmmm yeh
austere tendon
CoS SUbt is really nice too.
molten flicker
sub needs big pulls every 90 sec or so
steep obsidian
i hate sub on the final boss of cos
austere tendon
that 30% evasion on last boss, healer never has to heal you.
molten flicker
or 1 big target and some none-adds for shuriken combo
austere tendon
you can pretty much Feint and vial every second one.
molten flicker
dfa placing the bleed shit in the air, hitting everyone in melee XD
austere tendon
hahaha ah yes. good times
austere tendon
Or dfa, tank moves boss, Fly into cyclone.
Sin with Shadow step evasion is good too.
You can Vial 1, SStep next and cycle through that way.
obvs with Feint in each if high key.
molten flicker
ye but it needs to be pretty high for feint to not be enough
austere tendon
yeah im talking 23+ tyn
austere tendon
hahaha
I remeber when the healer died and the B DK and I just soloed the last 3-4 cycles.
molten flicker
that happens every time I play my prot war
4 bodies on the ground
me dueling the boss forever
lyric veldt
Quick question about buff management fellas. Under what circumstances do we want to keep 100% surge of toxins uptime? Is it just kb, or during vendetta also?
molten flicker
I don't think the uptime of surge of toxins matter so much
u want to have it on 4-5 cps tho
lyric veldt
got it
austere tendon
The rule is more like trying to chain your Surge buffs
molten flicker
if anything, it's important to keep envenom up for all of kingsbane
austere tendon
like. withint the last 0.5 Sec of surge, you want to envenom again to clip that envenom dmg inside Surge
molten flicker
if that means u gotta clip surge of toxins, do it
amber quail
No overlap
lyric veldt
lots of conflicting info here now lol
molten flicker
if it means u gotta let surge drop to be able to keep envenom for all of kb, do it
austere tendon
if its during filler, you make cliping Surge ina priority. (at least this is what I do)
amber quail
Honestly i tryied both: overlap and donβt
molten flicker
I just don't use finishers too soon after each other, I wait for either surge or env to be about to drop before using another finisher
lyric veldt
i know that used to be a thing with agonizing
amber quail
Not so clear difference
austere tendon
yeah I guess its more personal preference.
molten flicker
actually, I guess that means I worry about it
steep obsidian
im pretty sure you want sot up for the last few seconds of kb at least, envenom does actually pandemic so you can be a bit clever there
amber quail
Yours stats guys? Iβm 33crit/190mast
molten flicker
I refresh after either surge or env drops (refresh on first that drops)
and during kb I aim for 100% uptime on env
I don't do anything special during vend that I don't do when vend is down
primal tangle
I'd think Aggramar is worse π€
steep obsidian
agrramar is only bad if your tanks are brain dead and your ccers blow
its one fight thats actually harder if your dps is really high though
molten flicker
surely u dont need cc in lfr?
molten flicker
I know in normal atleast u just kill the adds right?
steep obsidian
only way to wipe is for tanks to face the boss in random directions
yeeh you can
the adds dont even enrage in normal either
keen inlet
it's just
that there's not nearly enouh dps
ever
on lfr
without 4+ stacks of failbuff
molten flicker
until u reach enrage?
molten flicker
π
keen inlet
just trying to get tankalt some quick loot before reset
molten flicker
sounds like first few times of full fight on mythic
initially I doubted it was possible since he had so much left when he enraged
^^
austere tendon
@quick ice you got it! you will get him down soon!
its only LFR
it will be fine π
quick ice
π
austere tendon
which boss you up to now btw
quick ice
literally working on P1 argus
austere tendon
nice! we got 8% last night...
austere tendon
someone end our lock out.... we can't re clear....
so have been on perma lock out for 3 weeks now
π¦
quick ice
our BDKs are both alts π
steep obsidian
is that job hard to learn?
it seems that like you only have 1 job so maybe not that bad?
austere tendon
and now we have a tank with a BDK alt but already too far progged into argus to quit now..
we just have to not die to stupid things and we get the kill.
quick ice
I'm good at dying to stupid things
my death logs contain lots of sweeping scythe
last night
austere tendon
since that was 8 % wipe due to 4-5 + dps being dead before the tree res stuff. so we didnt hit Sub 30% on argus before the raid tree res
maybe we kill Wed.... -.-'
quick ice
I believe!
austere tendon
if we re-cleared we could have had the boss dead with way less pulls but oh well. No DK's to go blood. unlucky.
keen inlet
4 failbuff
quick ice
because he has to play his BDK instead of his protadin
quick ice
π
austere tendon
far as I know. after we kill argus and come back after 2 week break. we probs wont be able to kill the first boss
ahahahaha
onyx falcon
K have i just never noticed this or is it new... but there's a voice channel named "Hail's-House-of-Love"
quick ice
we don't talk about hail's house of love
austere tendon
I mean our melee can't seem to figure out. Stand on spinning blade then move forward off spinning blade....
quick ice
first you stand on it
then you don't
that is TWO whole things to remember
IN ORDER
austere tendon
ITS REALLY HARD TO REMEMBER I KNOW
keen inlet
@onyx falcon been around for a while
pastel vault
frigid jasper
how do you check for blood of the assassinated procs on warcraftlogs?
plain thistle
debuffs > enemies > check yourself > done
there you can see : vendetta, boTA, kingsbane , surge of toxins, etc
@frigid jasper
frigid jasper
tyty
quick talon
Letβs go
willow quartz
in m+ what leggo do you usually run for trash, cloak+wrists or cloak+shoulders?
willow quartz
i was assuming maybe the switched for trash and then back to the norm for bosses
pliant yacht
Not enough ramp on charges to get value as sin imo
zealous dew
morning ppl π
midnight latch
π
midnight latch
viscid helm
midnight latch
@viscid helm hello my Accoustic finish friend
proven kettle
do we have enough information to know how rogues are going to fair in a raiding sense for bfa or still unclear? I haven't seen all the proposed or tested changes.
civic palm
We're like 6 months or more out... nothing matters atm.
civic palm
We will know the general direction things will be going (assassination focusing on bleed or poison more? sub reliant on stat x or y? outlaw still needs 1298 haste and has shit AoE/cleave still?) but yeah until like the first week or raiding, up in the air.
shrewd night
You know that state of utter panic that you get when work calls you in the morning before the time your alarms go off?
I thought I had overslept hours!
shrewd night
Hmm?
civic palm
Why the early call?
shrewd night
Oh, they wanted me to throw me ass in a taxi and get to work. Apparently they need access on a off site location that only I so far have access to 
civic palm
_>"
shrewd night
Which is fair enough I guess. But.. MUH SLEEP.
civic palm
Yeah gimme a bit you jerks.
jovial kite
shrewd night
Now slagg can't complain about dead channel either >:(
jovial kite
living is a constant process of upkeep
dedness is a state of enthropy
and
Being ded
shrewd night
Gib coffee
viscid helm
Cos its shit?
midnight latch
warm parcel
Did naya miss all of alac meta
shrewd night
People being shutters?
warm parcel
Poe break btw
shrewd night
Don't even know what I'll do this weekend. Poe inbetween turns in divinity.
warm parcel
Oof
tame cobalt
Why does helm outsim wrists? Shouldnt wrists sim more?
jovial kite
thats 1 scenario 
tame cobalt
945 tier helm and haste mastery 960 wrists
jovial kite
lft?
tame cobalt
Lfr
tame cobalt
945 crit mast
gilded lark
ye you gonna have to link the report
jovial kite
Both legendaries upgraded? U sure u got 4p when u simmed both builds?
tame cobalt
Ye im sure. Will link when im back home
jovial kite
Kk cool
Sry if i sounded condescending but that seems odd and trying to troubleshoot
tame cobalt
Its all fine :D
jovial kite
Head shouldnt sim higher if u got worse offpieces in that build
but it could also be that your gear has wonky stat prio... dont know for sure without seeing the sims
When u get home link sims of both builds and stat sims too
tame cobalt
But my idea was that shouldnt wrists be top?
jovial kite
no
insig boots wrists head and shoulder are all close
Its relic / offpiece / stat reliant which is the best combo
tame cobalt
I see. Thats good to know then. Thank you
atomic grotto
3 MA and boots is π
atomic grotto
i swapped a 975 shadow relic for a 945 cause of 3rd MA + master of shadows + bb
prime void
did ya sim it
prime void
How's the lady tom ?
shrewd oriole
Like pope Francis said, fake news is like being sexually aroused by faeces
prime void
2nd date yet?
shrewd oriole
Saturday
prime void
eyyy
hazy flame
Anyone knows if the current apl does vanish rupture sub30%?
hazy flame
Can you see target percentages in the report?
jovial kite
look up fight time, deduce 66% of said fight time, see what vanish does at the last 33% of the fight
hazy flame
Yeah that makes sense thx
jovial kite
protip + 5 minutes is 300 seconds
dire spoke
herro
jovial kite
dire spoke
it's freezing
jovial kite
Yep
Had to walk 25 minutes to work this morning
Was not delighted
Woke up though
brisk abyss
Hey mates ! How are you today ? I am back to my rogue (thanks god !) and just would like to know if FoK build is style ok or get nerfed ?
dire spoke
rog is ded
orchid prawn
got nerfed, mut rogos once again
jovial kite
If u got pk relics, fok in some cases is still ur builder
But pk and fok build got nerfed
optimal is mut
brisk abyss
@jovial kite thanks man, but as I am just doing HM Raid and I am going to push MM+ leaderboard, should I try to get FoK relic?
brisk abyss
thats full name of PK and DP?
jovial kite
Poison knives and deadly poison
For full m+ as sin id prolly go 3x pk 3x dp and 3x mos
if aoe is ur only intent
brisk abyss
I think trash are the most important in m+ and we already got a strong single target damage as sin
jovial kite
Then go for setup i said above
brisk abyss
and for build talent ?
jovial kite
mp vigor tb
brisk abyss
atm im switching from 111-3-2-2-1 and 1-1-1-3-2-1-1
jovial kite
i wouldnt run ds in m+
brisk abyss
ds?
jovial kite
deeper stratagem
brisk abyss
vigor better u think? Should try never did
orchid prawn
ye deffo better to get bleeds going -> more energy -> gcd capped faster
cant even imagine opening with 100 energy anymore
jovial kite
dp and pk are ur main source of dmg in aoe so going vigor is ur best bet as it lets you do so more
zealous dew
you can easily play DS in m+
vigor just overcaps your energy a lot
unless you pull 2 mobs
then play vigor
jovial kite
Id still play vigor
turbid harbor
pk isn't a main source of damage since they cucked it with the fix
zealous dew
pk is a good source of dmg if you pull a decent amount of mobs
so PK then DP
ehm DP then PK
jovial kite
Asking about aoe, talking about aoe so the expectation is aoe
jovial kite
and id still go vigor over ds as it requires less setup for infinite global cap
atomic grotto
if u wanna do m+ pushing probably sub is better due to his burst
as a sin u gonna pray for pbs
jovial kite
well obviously but the guy asked for sin m+ tips
atomic grotto
yeap just saying that i wouldnt invest sin relics for aoe
drifting cosmos
π€ but monk feels squishy
jovial kite
what ud do is irrelevant to the question at hand though @atomic grotto
As someone is investing
turbid harbor
?
you can tell somebody that their idea is stupid
like if somebody wanted to dedicate a shrine to miley cyrus
zealous dew
well i have 7 pk and still do decent st dmg
atomic grotto
@jovial kite indeed but i think that we should let him know that for m+ sub is better
turbid harbor
i can tell him he's an idiot
jovial kite
doesnt help their case
turbid harbor
it's perfectly valid to advise somebody to not use aoe relics for sin
turbid harbor
it's an extreme example of the same principle
jovial kite
if you wouldnt be thick you would notice i recommended 7pk 7 malch 3 mos
turbid harbor
not really
jovial kite
if someone asks specifically about sin m+ reroll monk isnt valid in the slightest
jovial kite
yep and 0 value
turbid harbor
?
it was a reply to somebody saying just play sub
it had "value" because it got the conversation back to where the person who asked the question wanted
like idk
jovial kite
talking about thick smh
atomic grotto
I really didnt say just play sub
i suggested that sub is better on m+
if that is ur focus
jovial kite
Which is completely irrelevant
hazy flame
Tbh if you are actually trying for really high keys you should really consider sub
jovial kite
is my point
strange python
@atomic grotto this is arguable tho. Sub shines on very high keys cause you also use dfa for high priority targets and u benefit from pulling adds into boss fights significantly. On the other hand sin gives u quite sustained aoe dps even without ph procs. Playing the virulent poisons correctly and using vanish as a pb booster even gives u a better dps on top. Besides u can even min max with boots between bosses for single high priority targets.
turbid harbor
this is the only time slaggjack is right
telling somebody sub is better in m+ doesn't add anything to the conversation
atomic grotto
its just a suggestion
strange python
I wouldnβt deny sub is the superior spec but sin is definitely viable if u play it correctly, not for 27+ keys tho:
atomic grotto
not something to argue with
jovial kite
neither does sarcastical reroll monk or wl
orchid prawn
well i was making fun of the "go sub instead" comment, then supported your comment about this being the sin channel so should prob stick to sin discussion
but w/e π
turbid harbor
you can still definitely recommend somebody not use pk relics for sin though
because cucking yourself in a raid enviroment isn't going to be worth the tiny increase in sustained aoe
atomic grotto
but recommending sub is bad cause this is the sin channel
jovial kite
you can if your only intent is pure aoe which was clearly implied by the asker
brisk forge
jovial kite
like i said twice already 3x pk 3x malch 3x mos
turbid harbor
idk how you can't grasp that sometimes people can ask misinformed questinos
but im done with this anyway
zealous dew
why 0 reasons to pick PK ?
shrewd night
It's misinformed because he said so >:(
hazy flame
Picking pk as a sin is like trying to compensate for something our spec doesnt have and still performing poorly
frank sentinel
maybe people wanna minmax a sin rogue on the mdi tourny realm π€·
jovial kite
its irrelevant @hazy flame
frank sentinel
kappa
atomic grotto
its not dude cause u dont know if the asker had all the relevant info about the class
jovial kite
are you serious?
atomic grotto
ofc ur answer is how u optimize ur spec to aoe
hazy flame
I mean if youre going for mdi tournament you should have other specs to compensate your aoe if you rly want to go sin
jovial kite
atomic grotto
but u still can offer other suggestions
like not cucking ur self for pure aoe
its not something bad neither irrelevant
jovial kite
im done
atomic grotto
get back on ur high horse
jovial kite
thats the most retracted thing i read all day
brisk abyss
@atomic grotto our spec is already good for ST so why not to improve our aoe on trash? I think that's what me and @jovial kite were talking about
jovial kite
indeed
dire remnant
for running back to my corpse after we wipe xd
jovial kite
You are just derailing and completely missing the point of the question
shrewd night
How dare someone use PK after the fix and the meme is dead
jovial kite
your opinion that sin is shit for aoe is irrelevant
shrewd night
Memes are supposed to stay dead
jovial kite
even if it was true
orchid prawn
@dire remnant na i dont, rogue fast af anyway - and in raids you should have a healer with soulstone for insta rezz
shrewd night
This channel rn :ree:
atomic grotto
@brisk abyss i never argued with that or disagreed i just suggested that sub might be better for high end M+ and i did that cause the asker already got an answer about sin optimization for m+
echo cargo
I'm pretty sure with 3 PK + a >22 fort, Sin would actually monster damage with bracers
atomic grotto
but u know its irrelevant to share opinions on the internet
echo cargo
I pull ahead on 20s of a lot of classes running bracers and getting that poison on, so with 3, bigdick
shrewd night
Gucci how dare you share opinions that go against the mainstream
jovial kite
@atomic grotto of he asks specifically about sin minmax then everything else you suggest is irrelevant clutter
shrewd night
Reeeeeeee
brisk abyss
@atomic grotto maybe sub is better for m+ progress but I was aking about sin ^^ and tbh i think we are both ok
dire remnant
@orchid prawn thinkin about m+ when i wipe and run back to my body xd
orchid prawn
you dont run back to your body in m+ dude
frank sentinel
sure you maximize your aoe but it's a rather pseudo-permanent adjustment since it's locked behind relic traits and your ST benefit from the traits goes to 0, while every other trait at least gives you some form of boost
atomic grotto
@jovial kite i just wanted to inform the guy in case he didnt know
orchid prawn
you ress alive at a earlier point in the dungeon when you release
jovial kite
He probably knows
jovial kite
And its pretty stupid to assume
atomic grotto
w/e i guess its not a good day for u
dire remnant
@orchid prawn yeah my bad i meant like when im running back to wherever
atomic grotto
so u being a dick here makes u feel better
jovial kite
my day is going great
dire remnant
@orchid prawn think like lower kara running left to moroes, or DHT runnin back to dresaron haha
brisk abyss
@atomic grotto so, if I understand, if I want to climb M+ score leaderboard as rogue i should switch to sub?
jovial kite
ur the one doing the dickery
atomic grotto
am i?
echo cargo
Also, 3x PK for AoE isn't a marginal increase, I'm pretty sure they're worth like 3x or more Malch if theres 4 - 5 targets
dire remnant
@brisk abyss yeah sub is better. i'd say sin is viable on eoa and upper kara only
orchid prawn
@dire remnant ah ok, yeah i dont bother - with sprint and the nelf racial im fast as fuck in stealth anyway - you prob could if you wanted to really min/max but keeping another armor set in your bags isnt worth imo
strange python
@brisk abyss no. There are some rogues even finishing 26+ as Sin. If you like Sin, stay with Sin.
jovial kite
there are top 10 rogues switching between sin and sub depending on affix and dungeon
atomic grotto
no one said sin is bad although pb is a pain
dire remnant
@orchid prawn yeah tryin to min max, when i miss a timer by like 5 seconds it matters π
frank sentinel
πΏ learn both specs and play both and decide for yourself
echo cargo
There's a good argument for Sin on any boss w/ a invuln transition as well
Although those BFA changes for AoE
30% PB chance or whatever the fuck sounds like it's getting nerfed
strange python
Itβs 20% but still not gonna go live like that keeping that scaling
warm parcel
@hazy flame
Apl doesnt
hazy flame
Ur talking about vanish rupt?
warm parcel
Yes
hazy flame
But you should no?
warm parcel
Depends on a million things
Leges
Traits
Mastery
Timing
Talents
shadow inlet
@brisk abyss it also depends on your tank a good tank will pull small trash with big mobs if you're sub otherwise the power of sub in keys diminishes a lot
hazy flame
Yeah i suppose anyway i can change that?