assassination

[lone junco]

most people cant get 45+ crit without shoulders, so bracer boots arent common.

[muted gyro]

Me? Yes

[spare cloud]

mastery for sure

but crit is probably still second

so try to get high mast low crit

but sim your weights to be sure

[muted gyro]

Yeah my sim says 28.16 Vers / 27.03 Crit so should I go for mastery/vers helmet?

[lone junco]

@muted gyro if crit is below vers it is likely because you dont have 4p21

no.

vers is not best in the end.

if you are buying a hat, just get the high master/low crit

[muted gyro]

And no, I don't have tier 21 😃 I just have 2 pieces from LFR (one is the glvoes which is just ewh)

[lone junco]

yeah. 4p21 feeds E on crit.

vers is always ok, just not an endgame goal

[muted gyro]

Alright then ❤ I'll buy a high mastery/low crit helmet

Thank you all for the help

Well crap. No mastery/crit helmet on AH at all

[lone junco]

they are popular.

double mastery is best, but expensive

I wouldnt spend a ton on it. T21 hat is one of your best pieces.

and orange hat is like 4th best.

[quick talon]

whos that despot

"Rfeann"

[hallow sonnet]

Rfeann is a founder of Ravenholdt...

[spare cloud]

[solemn vapor]

I'm at 38% crit 182% mast. Should i give up crit to build mastery ?

[autumn trench]

🤔

[hallow sonnet]

@quick talon ^

[quick talon]

O

yea I havent ever seen him

ty

[solemn vapor]

I feel maybe 38 is too much

[hallow sonnet]

Paryah, Haileaus, Fierydemise and Rfeann are founders

[quick talon]

what trinkets are u using?

38 isnt too much

[solemn vapor]

Panteon and eoc

I was using fang before getting eoc

But my eoc sim higher than my fang so a swapped

I*

[quick talon]

Aye

yet 38 isnt really too much

[solemn vapor]

I asked cuz i heard that i had to get over 200% mastery

But i dont feel sacrificing crit for it is a good idea

Even so, I thank you @quick talon for helping me.

[quick talon]

look at jhonwei for example

exceptional logs

with like 175% mastery iirc

he's running boots/bracer but still

[solemn vapor]

Will look up his logs, jhonwei right? 😁

[quick talon]

ya

[viscid helm]

i mean i only have 165% mastery as well

crit is the way

[quick talon]

flowi lets go D3

[viscid helm]

4 cp every mut 👌

D3 🤢

[quick talon]

yeeaa ik

gotta waste the time somehow

[lone junco]

@viscid helm yeah. i have 1bb. and 3/4 cp over and over. and over and over.

[viscid helm]

i have ~67% mut crit

[fervent beacon]

I'm running crown/bracers as its simming the highest for me

[lone junco]

I revised the apl to finish on 3, and it is a wash overall. but might be some efficiency gained during kb

[fervent beacon]

so I just need belt with crit/mast

[viscid helm]

What you need is tier helm

[dire spoke]

CP cuck me so often during KB

[lone junco]

84 mut crit.

mh, less oh

thats just the final phase of Argus. so not buffed.

this is what good crit looks like

lol

[fervent beacon]

I miss having my crit at like 44% lol

[dire spoke]

I miss AP playstyle

[restive inlet]

I really want to exchange my vers/mastery ring from Argus and my vers/mastery neck from Doggos, but they are so high ilvl that I can't justify it:( Like, i have a socketed 940 ring from DHT, that one has like 3k crit and some mastery. still worse than Argus ring

My rotation doesn't feel too slow though, I usually have the CP I need during KB etc. usually

even at 24% crit-_-

[viscid helm]

https://puu.sh/zuK3h/74868b284f.jpg

[restive inlet]

That's quite a lot of haste

beautiful crit tho

or is it Pirate?

[viscid helm]

no its sin

6/7 BB

so that's additional 24% crit on top of that

[restive inlet]

Nice. I have no relics with BB either. 3MA, 2malch and one envenom.

I don't remember how big of a difference in simdps it is for me though, to exchange some rings to get better crit. Will have to check. If I don't lose too much I might do it, just to make my rotation smoother¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lone junco]

@ Kyliemyrogue#8483

@strange python ?

@marble sonnet ?

with the vendetta after the tb, you run out of juice in the open and cant fit tb/kb in the shoulder. makes for a shitty crit gap

[quick talon]

okay im downloading diablo

[lone junco]

I just got on for a few mins. killed stuff and logged out

anyway. this opener nails the tbkb

in shoulder

[quick talon]

@viscid helm d3 session lets go

[viscid helm]

@quick talon im not Home rn

[quick talon]

wanna start when youre home?

or literally not interessted

[warm parcel]

are you at least gonna hc?`

[quick talon]

ya

I havent started yet because i cba playing alone tbh

[warm parcel]

do we really want to play d3?

[quick talon]

Well I dont really have anything else to play rn

also first few days of a season are always quite enjoyable

[warm parcel]

Yeah they are

[quick talon]

So if you guys wanna team up later: iWin#21115

[warm parcel]

Imma cook quickly before

Lets go when flowi gets home

[quick talon]

aight sure

[jovial kite]

...

[warm parcel]

I mean I have like 1.4K hours in d3

or more

😄

[quick talon]

damn

[vestal wren]

d3 that engaging?

[warm parcel]

It was back then

[vestal wren]

i thought it gets borring quite fast

[quick talon]

It isnt too bad playing in a group

Playing alone makes it way more boring

[vestal wren]

i am still curious why poe didn't manage to take over d3 throne

[quick talon]

pretty sure poe > d3

[jovial kite]

poe > d3 in every metric

[vestal wren]

as it seemed to be quite popular but the hype seems to fall quite fast again

[quick talon]

Well poe league is done

next starting 03.03

So just wasting time until then

[vestal wren]

oh so its like d3

play at the start for ranking -> wait for new

[lone junco]

PoE talent respecs bum me the fuck out

[viscid helm]

I dont even have d3 installed

[lone junco]

Currency should allow full respec. not just 1 point.

I also wish currency was bop. the trading market is rediculous.

[vestal wren]

skill system seems more complex then its in the end

[lone junco]

i have had a few high lvl guys, just hate when they balance skills. and your guy is fucked.

mostly cause I dont like starting over. Would rather just one endgame guy forever. seasons do nothing for me.

[viscid helm]

Id imagine that gets pretty stale fast

I only play season/leagues

Usually for 1.5 months or so

Then quit till next

[lone junco]

I still play my first WD in d3

[viscid helm]

So much more content and builds in leagues

[lone junco]

I dont mind new guys occasionally. but the trade market instead of using currency drives me bananas.

I have a shadow with some frosty claw. or what not. does well. Tree is empty now, so I would have to re layout his build 😦

[quick talon]

yea each league is alot different in poe

flowi home when

[viscid helm]

i mean the trading isnt really noob friendly

[quick talon]

maybe i should start making dinner, too

[viscid helm]

and its to easy if you know what you are doing

so easy to flip

[lone junco]

I traded for some claws on my incinerate life leech a while back. Was immensely better, I just didnt enjoy the jump without the effort. personal prob i guess.

I prefer D3 with everything bound.

rip rmah

lol

[viscid helm]

sure it works in a game like diablo

in poe when you play SSF league

you're builds are basically limited to couple %

if you wanna do end game

[quick talon]

aight making dinner real quick

dm me when we're starting

[supple hearth]

dinner at 11:04am

[vestal wren]

its 7 pm here ^^

[supple hearth]

:p

[supple hearth]

inception

TIMEception

[bold jetty]

LUL

[vestal wren]

nice, gz

[lone junco]

pk doing work.

looks like @zealous dew wasnt that far off.

Shoulder/bracer 3T+ Pk still doing work.

[dire spoke]

fuu

[rotund pier]

grats

our guild is about to start prog on M Agg, and our GM has said we will be skipping all bosses from now on except going from Imonar onwards. FUCKING RIP getting proper relics from High Command, Portal Keeper, so cheesed

[lone junco]

meh. heroic has proper relics. ilvl isnt as important as traits imo.

[rotund pier]

have 3 malcs with immonars being the only one with ma but other 2 have shit on rank 3 crucible

i guess, but still harsh to go from 2 relics at 960+ to 945 😛

[lone junco]

running my 945/945/945 vs 965/965/965. I would imagine 3% but we'll see

but my traits are all pretty good.

[sharp viper]

meh, i got triple 980 relics but i would gladly trade my doggo shadow relic for a 960 kg shadow relic :/ ilvl is overrated

[lone junco]

2.4%

[dire spoke]

Noobe did you see my relic?

[lone junco]

yeah

malch pk?

or env pk

[dire spoke]

bb pk

[lone junco]

oy

I like pk.

but bb pk is a bit sloppy

[dire spoke]

I wish pk bug was real again

[rotund pier]

yea ilvl is nbd for proper traits, just want to keep my elitist 975 equipped nonsense 😛

i'd kill for a 960 eye more than anything though tbh

[lone junco]

is your avi a fancy vagina?

[sharp viper]

what

[sharp viper]

you can't ask people that

[lone junco]

i did

[rotund pier]

it's the blood elf racial crest

[sharp viper]

well you shouldn't >:/

[lone junco]

@dire spoke if I could swap out relics without destroying. I would go 7malch/7pk in a heart beat.

[dire spoke]

why the foking tho

I mean

yeah antorus is okay for it

@lone junco I would have loved to use it aswell but loosing 3MAss without backup doesn't quite work I think :p

[sharp viper]

the entire relic system is shit and crucible just made it worse :/

[lone junco]

I dont mind relics or crucibles. if they werent destroyed

it is bullshit to have raid boss destroyed.

[sharp viper]

different relic sets could have allowed for more build variety but that comes at the cost of evenmore relics

[lone junco]

I would run the Angelcry rotation if i could.

the 0vendetta would kill me tho

[sharp viper]

angelcry was the r1 garothi pbomber? what is different?

[lone junco]

its not pbomb. it is the vendetta tb kb.

with 0ma and boots. it aligns every other kb with vendetta

vendetta tbkb 3env during the tb.

over and over

need high crit to pull it off

[strange python]

cape is better on trash for higher keys or should I keep bracers on?

[sharp viper]

meh need a lot of crit for 3x env during tb

unless you want to pump out 2-3cp envenoms

[lone junco]

its a 40 crit 185 mastery build with a bb or two

thats me as a mythic raider. rip.

+20 ilvl to all the raid drops.

(except the neck cause i got sloppy)

[sharp viper]

@strange python cape is shit as asesinaron rouge, mantle and bracers are my prefered legendaries for m+ trash

[lone junco]

shoulder bracer open fok env fok env if >=3 mobs.

or mut env mut env

[strange python]

it was feeling like cape was weak, tyvm

[lone junco]

@sharp viper and the "r1 pbomber" was only 13%. and dumpstered people with 20% plus. 2.86m is real deal.

[sharp viper]

it is better after the fok pk fix

[lone junco]

m+ shoulder open is just pushing out env bombs as fast as possible.

[sharp viper]

I've seen the "logs"

[supple mesa]

I have 40% crit 192%mastery with shoulders bracers on

[lone junco]

look into bracer boot then.

[supple mesa]

39% crit 189% mastery

[lone junco]

I mean run the sims with the different gear sets.

[supple mesa]

YOu believe boots bracers > shoulders bracer?

Subterfuge game play just seems boring

lol

[dire spoke]

^ I have a mate with these stats 38% crit, mantle-bracers and anti simming highest lol

@lone junco that was the relic sim 😄 https://snag.gy/ahp0IN.jpg

[supple mesa]

Boots bracers + subterfuge sims like shit for me

[old quartz]

boots/bracers and NS is pretty nice

[stark garnet]

@lone junco you told me and a few others about FoK at 3+ and explained it, which made sense. The ravenholdt sin guide says 2+

Is it outdated or wrong or is there some situational scenario?

[sharp viper]

@supple mesa you could still run nightstalker for empowered vanish-ruptures

[civic palm]

👋

[strange python]

yo

does vanish insta proc nightstalker or do i have to wait the 3 seconds to actually have stealth icon

[sharp viper]

nightstalker is active in both stealth and vanish

[strange python]

ok sic

thc

x

[quick talon]

sicc

[strange python]

i just rerolled rogue, why is crit second on stat prio?

[safe matrix]

Because it doubles your damage occasionally

[vapid moth]

My guild taking too damn long to get to mythic

I haven't gotten. An upgrade in weeks

[safe matrix]

But crit does a lot of things in the sin kit, just read through the tooltips

Seal fate

[exotic glen]

crit give extra dmg yes

more crit more damuge

[blissful marlin]

Not too mention the 4set for sin poison crits give you energy back

[lone junco]

@stark garnet whether you mut or FOK at 2T depends on your mut crit rates. For exang, you have very high crit and mut on 2. With a low crit poison the fok may win out.

If you have pk relics you FOK on >=4. Even in st.

You don't get pk relics on purpose unless you are trying for a bit of m+ cleave.

If you have Bb relics you will see gains to mut on 2

All this can be tested in the apl of you have concerns.

Note, with shoulders in 2T. From stealth you can mut env. 4cp > 3cp from the stealth FOK.

(That's prob the scenario I was talking about before)

[stark garnet]

Awesome thanks for clarifying

[lone junco]

So yes. Situational. 😃

[quick talon]

ti mis

[tranquil birch]

^

[lone junco]

?

[echo crest]

hi guys is it worth to use one agility gem?

[solemn vapor]

Talking from a end game pov, how much versa is worth it? I'm not talking about anything specific, just generally for end game assa rogues.

[viscid helm]

ti mis

[solemn vapor]

Cuz i tried to get rid of it aside from my leggs stats and i was wondering if i should keep at it

I know that the answer is "sim yourself" but i remeber reading somewhere that versa is a dead stat for us so i dont know

Remember*

[fervent beacon]

that's haste

[solemn vapor]

Oh

[fervent beacon]

Our bleed scale off vers, so its useful

and mut damage i guess

[solemn vapor]

Is there an acceptable % for versa?

[fervent beacon]

vers also buff your poison damage, so vers/mast goes well together

[solemn vapor]

That is not too high or low enough?

Like for crit 30~40% mast % as high as possible and vers ?%~?%

Sorry if it sounds confusing

[tranquil birch]

t
i

m
i
s

[fervent beacon]

Just go by your sim

There aren't set stone for % needed

[solemn vapor]

Ok i will sim myself and check that

T

H

H

A

N

K

K

S

S

[safe matrix]

Y

O

U

'

R

E

W

ELCOME

[solemn vapor]

Omg i love this chat ❤️

[safe matrix]

I also feel like I shouldnt spam the channel

[fervent beacon]

You shouldn't even be in here you sub scum

[safe matrix]

cause its somewhat ontopic rn

I multispec

:<

[gaunt moat]

instead of insulting, you need to try to convert them

[safe matrix]

Yeah

like a cult

[echo crest]

guys i asked early but should i use 1 agility gem or all mastery?

[viscid helm]

[fervent beacon]

According to your sim stats weight

However, Mastery is your safe bet because mastery will overtake agi at high ilvl

[echo crest]

i have 960 ilvl

[fervent beacon]

Crit is also a viable choice is your crit is low

[safe matrix]

"According to your sim stats weight"

[viscid helm]

give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime

[torn token]

But if you keep getting a fish everyday you don’t have to fish for it yourself 🤷

[fervent beacon]

What if the man is a vegan

[echo crest]

so i should sim?

i dont have a clue how to do that xD

[quick talon]

xD

[viscid helm]

[lone junco]

🔥

👮

[fervent beacon]

@north compass

!simc

[chrome tusk]

How to sim yourself - guide: https://goo.gl/YACUkz

Download simulationcraft: https://simulationcraft.org/
Or use Raidbots: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

[fervent beacon]

Raidbots will be easier, I'd recommend downloading simc addon to make it easier importing your character string into raidbot.

[dire remnant]

Hey guys, sws config tells me vers and mastery are my best stats by a solid amount, but when I sim myself with Collar of Null-Flame (960) over my Chain of the Underking (960), i'm simming 0.3% less

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oupJd47HJm8rCerNHAeAUi

the chain of the underking does have a 200 vers gem socket, but i would think the master/vers on the null flame would be way better than the crit on underking

[civic palm]

.3% is how much of a damage difference for you? Does that even matter?

If you do put a MAS gem in the Underking neck you will get another like... .1%

maybe .3

[grim jay]

Rasthag - Today at 9:45 PM
Omg i love this chat ❤️

said noone ever

[civic palm]

💔

[supple hearth]

I love this chat

There now two people have said it in one day

[civic palm]

Yeah but there's no telling if you meant it.

Though I believe you.

[grim jay]

you are forced to say that

:°)

[civic palm]

Yeah but only once a day, so anytime after now he really means it.

[quick talon]

[civic palm]

U G H

It's...

not...

in...

sync!!

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

[quick talon]

it is for me tho

[civic palm]

No wait, there it goes.

The like, eight square was out of sync for a bit there.

[safe matrix]

its not in sync for me either

[quick talon]

thats weird

[civic palm]

Well it's Discord weirdness is to be expected.

and weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeby

But not really.

[quick talon]

aaaand reeemoved

[civic palm]

Yeah by me.

[quick talon]

Glad we dont have a RH-Weeb channel here

[civic palm]

Well they would all be in there.

[viscid helm]

[civic palm]

and not here.

[quick talon]

no

Also your avatar

[civic palm]

mwuhahahaha

I can't get any more trappingly confusing.

[quick talon]

that cosplay person

is bad at winking

It looks fucking forced

[civic palm]

Yeah well you gotta wink through a mountain of makeup.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It's a picture no shit it's forced.

Idiot.

[quick talon]

woooow

Toxin

[civic palm]

There no more winking.

[quick talon]

good job

[civic palm]

Is it a guy? Is it a girl? Who knows.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Now when I get DM'd I will have to ask them if they know what they are getting into.

[quick talon]

Well traps arent gay

[civic palm]

Yeah well people get confused.

Not that I am against people finding kinks.

[viscid helm]

you actually have DM's open for random people?

[quick talon]

👀

[viscid helm]

what is wrong with you

[civic palm]

@viscid helm Yeah most of them are deleted.

I mean it's not something that is wrong with me, they DM me > _>

I keep some.

[quick talon]

Jehova witness sliding into my DMs last year

[civic palm]

Some other smokey freak.

Most of these are in jest but they're fun when edited.

[quick talon]

How is it 02/15

[sharp tinsel]

Guys, is gorshlac legacy trinket worth using in m+ as assa?

[quick talon]

when a year only has 12 months

[civic palm]

Cuz Murica

M U R I C A

[quick talon]

Man

Trump is about to arm the teachers

So they can handle the school shooters on their own

GL

[civic palm]

I mean, not really.

He's gonna go;

[viscid helm]

Trumps my hero

[civic palm]

Hey you can conceal carry if you would like.

and the teachers are going to go;

WTF do you think a school is?

The NRA is about to have to find new ways to travel. > _>

[quick talon]

Guess some early gun training ground

[civic palm]

Just remember... gotta get more guns to people to stop people from shooting people.

Like they already are.

[quick talon]

Well or just close all the schools

[civic palm]

Also...

make sure to blame;

music

movies

[quick talon]

cant have school shooters without any shools open

[civic palm]

video games

[quick talon]

[civic palm]

games in general

and the entire internet.

Can't shoot kids in school if they are outside protesting.

🤔

Until they get hit by a car.

Then it's time to regulate protesting.

and things with wheels.

[quick talon]

Yea if they're outside and protesting

you gotta do the vegas hotel strat

spray and 🙏🏿

[civic palm]

Yeah but that guy waited until he was well off in life.

Before ruining his life.

For some reason.

[grim jay]

gotta stop when its best

[civic palm]

Guy had planes to fly.

as a hobby.

Can't go much higher I suppose.

[grim jay]

depends on if he did smoke some weed while flying

high af

[civic palm]

oooshitboi

[quick talon]

@dark lantern hurry up

[civic palm]

Down there typing up a fucking novel.

GET IT OUT

[viscid helm]

[dark lantern]

Question guys on combo point usage... trying to keep my waste down. Running vigor so 5 point cap. If you're at 3 cp and garrrote/tb/kb are on cooldown, do you mutilate again or do a 3 point envenom?

[civic palm]

Always do something at 3CP.

Never use a finisher at 3CP.

[dark lantern]

My phone is having a hard time typing and updating chat lol

[lone junco]

just dont mut on 4.

[quick talon]

What is that phone

[lone junco]

can kb or tb or env/rupture

[quick talon]

updating chat wtf

[dark lantern]

Yeah, I envenom at 4, just didn't know if it was worth waste at 3 to mut again or wait out cooldowns

Galaxy s5 beat up to shit

[civic palm]

There's not enough waste from Seal Fate when you MUT @ 3CP.

Not enough to matter.

[vapid moth]

S5 was a good phone doe

[civic palm]

or that we can somehow get around.

[dark lantern]

Just lag as it checks for new posts when I type lol

[vapid moth]

But you're almost 4 years behind man

[civic palm]

Yeah well he said it was beat to shit get off his back!!

Yeah well phones are retardedly expensive.

[vapid moth]

Very true

Though they might last twice as long. We can't tell yet

[dark lantern]

And tmobile won't take my coins of air for some reason

[civic palm]

Not the way they're designed.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quick talon]

tmobile

[vapid moth]

If I was a phone designer I bet I could make one with batter life for a full day in less than a year

[quick talon]

😦

well most people are fucking up the battery on their own

[vapid moth]

Yeah

[quick talon]

like using the phone outside when its fucking cold

hurts the battery alot

[civic palm]

Two standard tournies this weekend, the week after JTMS and BBE are unbanned in ANOTHER format > _> fuckers.

[vapid moth]

Still most batteries don't last a full day even out of the box

[civic palm]

That's some potato fucking phones.

[dark lantern]

Yeah, battery on this one has a bad cell between 20-40% that's half my problems

[civic palm]

or very heavy usage.

[vapid moth]

You can change batteries on the s5 doe so you have no right to complain

[civic palm]

True.

[dark lantern]

Yeah, I'm just lazy lol

[quick talon]

you can change the battery on pmuch every smartphone

[civic palm]

Nah.

Hard nah.

[vapid moth]

But you don't have to pay to do it on the s5

[quick talon]

idk

ive changed the battery on my iPhone last week

[civic palm]

Good for you?

[quick talon]

So which smartphone doesnt allow any battery change?

[vapid moth]

You bought a new battery, opened the back, and popped it in?

[civic palm]

You can do whatever you want with your phone, but the effort required to do so for 98% of phones is too much.

[quick talon]

"too much" i mean that depends on the person

[vapid moth]

Lol not really

[dark lantern]

Many don't make it as easy as it was. Just a matter of how patient you are. I don't bust out my electrical

[vapid moth]

If I need to bust out a toolbox yeah that's too much

[civic palm]

Yeah and unless you can pop off the case without risk of damaging it and simply removing the battery then it's fine, but that's not the case and past what 98% of users are willing to do.

[dark lantern]

Ohhh I was getting a tornado warning pushed to my phone that's why it's being weird

[civic palm]

haha

[quick talon]

"toolbox"

Its just 1 screwdriver damn

[civic palm]

aka anything not your fingers.

[vapid moth]

Lmao

[civic palm]

If you need a screwdriver to do something other than removing a screw, too far.

[vapid moth]

^^^

[quick talon]

eh

[dark lantern]

What about using a screwdriver to hammer a nail?

[civic palm]

If you have nothing better > _>

[quick talon]

you are using the screwdriver to remove a screw in that scenario wtf

nvm

[civic palm]

Look a nail is just a lame screw.

[vapid moth]

Just saying. I don't see any screws on the back of my iphone

So yeah. Too much work

[quick talon]

most likely because they're next to your charging slot

[grim jay]

listening to snoop. immediately feeling the weedvibes

[quick talon]

not on the back

[grim jay]

good old songs

[vapid moth]

Thems some tiny ass screws

I'd have to go out and buy a new screwdriver

[civic palm]

Gotta go buy some special driver

Too much work.

[vapid moth]

Yup

[civic palm]

Even though I have this fucking nice set of copper jewelers drivers.

[dark lantern]

My limit is where I have to watch a guide. Ifi can't figure dissassembly with it in my hands for a minute I don't wanna take the time to find out

[civic palm]

Yeah that's another thing entirely.

You go from being able to claw off the back, to what we have now with most phones.

[vapid moth]

Very true

They're computers man

[civic palm]

They were always computers

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vapid moth]

Not 10 years ago

[civic palm]

It was very basic, but still.

[vapid moth]

They couldn't run shit like discord 10 years ago. Now they do it better than some modern computers

[dark lantern]

With a good battery :p

[vapid moth]

This just goes to say if you wouldn't fuck with a computer. You definitely shouldn't fuck with a phonr

[dark lantern]

The push for miniturization just really helped phones. Tiny screws and threads and small tricky fastening methods jus got cheaper and cheaper

[civic palm]

There's more stupid ways to fuck up a modern phone than a modern laptop at this point.

[manic vigil]

[dark lantern]

I just wish shit being durable would be popular again

[civic palm]

Well there are some phones from major brands that are very durable and have much larger batteries.

But they are DURABLE first.

[vapid moth]

They just run like bricks

[civic palm]

Nah there's a Galaxy phone recently with like a 4kw/H barrery and a PHAT case.

But the screen is smaller than you'd want due to durability being the design intention.

[vapid moth]

Well it's a start

Galaxy is making a flip phone

Like that's not what we asked for lmao

[wheat vigil]

look on the bright side - the military applications of a samsung flip phone are tremendous. 2 projectiles per exploded phone, should keep the dmz under control

[dark lantern]

I've been debating getting a phone from CAT for awhile (the people who make bulldozers and construction equipment). The specs aren't amazing on the phone but durable as hell and a thermal camera built in

[quick talon]

who the F

[vale marsh]

At what amount of targets do you change to an aoe rotation and generally what do you prioritize cause my single target is great but aoe is sloppy, sometimes good sometimes bad.

[drifting crypt]

fok at 2+ targets

[grim jay]

sin = sloppy aoe

thats how it is

[quick talon]

@warm parcel @viscid helm filths

[grim jay]

dirts

[warm parcel]

I was called for dayz

[quick talon]

dayz

[warm parcel]

Mod

Not sa

Pls

[quick talon]

what

i dont even

[warm parcel]

Best game

[quick talon]

is it tho

Having time of my life in MHW

[warm parcel]

No console

[civic palm]

Well just give it another... 6 months.

heh

[quick talon]

my ps4 has been a netflix box for years now

finally getting off its dust

[civic palm]

and hope that their first PC port goes well.

[quick talon]

Sure but it'll probably mess with bfa release

[civic palm]

Probably.

and since Blizzard seems to be well off with server stability during launches, there probably won't be a lot of downtime.

[gaunt moat]

yeah that sucks, let's hope they delay BFA 😄

[quick talon]

Ive tried to like Fortnite tbh

but i cant get into this building bullshit

also 3rd person shooter 😦

[warm parcel]

Its dog

Fucking br for kids

And camp in buildings

[oblique python]

[grim jay]

what is MHW?

[gaunt moat]

monster hunter world

[grim jay]

ah

not out for pc yet

feelsbadman

having a blast at Nioh atm tho

[gaunt moat]

vermintide 2 coming out soonish

[quick talon]

Oh yea, niohs are great game

Aye

Beta was quite promising

tbh

[gaunt moat]

you played beta?

[quick talon]

not yet myself was at a friends place

good call, im DL it

[gaunt moat]

how did he get beta access?

[quick talon]

Uhm there were like 10k keys available yesterday on some said to claim

Got the hands on one aswell

[gaunt moat]

damn :S

wish i knew

really looking forward for that game as well. need to get a group for it though

[crystal fox]

bit of pubg in lack of things do to in wow 🤷

[quick talon]

yea sadly they didnt really improve the graphics

PUBG lacks some progression system in some way

[gaunt moat]

i got pubg, regret buying it... i just don't enjoy it and it's a bad game

[quick talon]

well notter

https://www.mmoga.de/Steam-Games/Warhammer-Vermintide-2-Closed-Beta-Key.html

that'd be 1 euro to play the beta 😄

[gaunt moat]

The key offered here enables you to participate in the Warhammer Vermintide 2 Closed Beta for PC till Sunday, February 25th.

meh

i'll wait for release

[quick talon]

btw

if you wouldve preorded its guranteed access, too

[gaunt moat]

i don't have people to play with now anyway, and i don't wanna pug

[quick talon]

Im not even sure if im going to buy it at release

[grim jay]

waiting for vampyr tho

looks quite interesting

and ff XV

[strange python]

first time in antorus normal wasnt a proper run people where overgeared n lookin for alts was a carry for some i did up to 800 to 900k majority with prydaz and argus q ring with no tier only playing a week is that good or ?

[grim jay]

if you dont sim much higher then its good

🤷

[pliant yacht]

@gaunt moat why you trying to add logic to wc junkies fb

wont work

[strange python]

im 936 140%master 39crit 6 vers 17% haste

[gaunt moat]

hmm?

oh

you saw that lol

[grim jay]

still we dont know what you sim for so sim yourself. if you are close, you are good.

[pliant yacht]

some mate tagged me in it trying to troll me then i read it all and seen ur posts, i have givn up trying to make sense in there

[quick talon]

My boredom has reached a new level, ima start leveling solo in d3

[gaunt moat]

most people there told op she's wrong though

[lone junco]

@quick talon you have a necro?

or whatever the new guy is

[pliant yacht]

its a personal pref thing really, cant see how she can be right or worng

[quick talon]

no havent bought the addon, yet

I dont really care about playing necro. The extra stashes are nice tho

[crystal fox]

i'm so bored im gonna play and gear my affli lock

yesterday that thought would have horrified me

[sour wraith]

would anyone mind looking at my log(s) and seeing where i could improve?

[weary gate]

you can link them here if you wish

[sour wraith]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fr1mY3xFXKp7nHP9/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[weary gate]

and those who have time can check ^^

[crystal fox]

bleedy boy? ping noobe

[weary gate]

he played poison tho

[sour wraith]

yea im poison

idk why i'm marked bleed

[weary gate]

coven is pretty bad fight to analyze tbh

got anything else?

[sour wraith]

yea gimme a sec

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3cx2nR8QWAjNfDmM#fight=35&type=damage-done - vari

[sour wraith]

so basically line up cds better

[lone junco]

#1 dont vanish without vendetta

[sour wraith]

and yea rupt uptime was bad on coven

[lone junco]

shh

#2 your vendettas can be really limp. if you hammer out TB and Kb and just use vendetta dry, you have no damage. Consider lining up vendett tb then 3 strong env. back to back

#3 your vanish in bracer is your number one burst after opener. pool for it. make sure it is strong. dont vanish at 35% when you could be in bracer on the next vendetta.

That coven ? is an empty vendetta. it was limp with no support.

same happened in varith at that box

uptime of rupture is important but dont forsake env uptime during kb for it

[weary gate]

You wasted 1 combo point which is not bad, and 20 energy which is not bad either

but just something to keep eye on always

[lone junco]

good news for the varith

at 962 shoulder bracer, im pretty sure your simc average is not much over 2 m

[sour wraith]

yea it's like 2,030,000

[lone junco]

looks like you pooled prior to the vanish

so thats good. but without the vendetta it doesnt have as much juice. and also you vanished at boss = 40ish

[weary gate]

try to have vanish for execute phase

[lone junco]

get a Time to death tracker. if you know TTD < 2min.

you shant vanish before bracer+ vendetta

if ttd >2min you can vanish in the middle at a vendetta

[sour wraith]

is there any addon i acn get for that?

[lone junco]

I use exorsus raid tools. but there are WA for that

[sour wraith]

ok

[lone junco]

or you can just know going in this is a sub 4min fight. so you get open vanish then 1 more.

I also have a WA Trigger to show bracer (<30%)

I dings, so I know to prep

aside from the missing vendetta the vanish was pooled and proper tb env

so yay there.

overall i guess you get a B. the opener propped you up, but thats why people play shoulder 👌

gl

[torn coyote]

sims for 2.280m

how good is that

[lone junco]

depends on ilvl

[torn coyote]

970

971

[lone junco]

can you get 2.28 in ST?

[torn coyote]

i can do more with pb procs

who got highest rog sim ?

[lone junco]

@sour wraith for kingo, hold your vanish for the adds. they line up pretty well.

vendetta vanish on each add, and you will see 6-8M spikes

[sour wraith]

do i still do the same opener or save it for the first add phase?

[gilded lark]

don't use vanish in the opener lol

[plain thistle]

save for the first add

[lone junco]

like this

[plain thistle]

and with boots, you can save vendetta for the fist add as well, and use for add-boss-add-boss

etc

[safe matrix]

oh you don't vanish without vendetta?

I always just tried to sync it up with the next TB

[plain thistle]

you save vanish for vendetta

with shoulder

[safe matrix]

welp

I learned something new

[plain thistle]

you delay vanish, not vendetta 😛

[sour wraith]

is there any other boss where you dont vanish on the opener or just kin

[safe matrix]

Cause I kept thinking of vendetta like shadow blades

I didn't realise you would hold vanish that long usually

oh well, I'll start doing that

[lone junco]

thats why the 2vendetta relic timing kinda sucks. it pushes your 2nd vanish back by like 30sec.

[safe matrix]

yeah I'm running 2 right now

the 3rd one eludes me

[lone junco]

@sour wraith kingo is probably it. I dot both dogs and both coven before I would vanish, but thats up to you.

@sour wraith does your back get tired from carrying the raid?

[sour wraith]

it's a little annoying

[lone junco]

I keed.

I have a few fights where Im pretty far above the pack.

[sour wraith]

which fight was that

[lone junco]

kingo

they were prob all dead.

[sour wraith]

should look at the high command

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TN29J8w6x34XD7cK#fight=2&type=damage-done

only fight i do well on XD

[lone junco]

by my metrics you are doing fine

coven could use better multi ruptures. but w/e

should be in the 2m st on garothi as sin

[sour wraith]

haven't done garothi as sin yet iirc

dont ask why

yea not in heroic

[weary gate]

I only play sub on eonar lol

[lone junco]

its really a good fight for sin. just make sure not to vendetta just prior to the arms

[weary gate]

otherwise i do better as assa on every other boss

[sour wraith]

yea

i do sub on eonar

[weary gate]

meant eonar* not coven

[safe matrix]

I like sub on kingaroth, cause the extra shadowstep

[sour wraith]

yea but DFA is annoying

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/steve-carell-disgusted-10FHR5A4cXqVrO

[safe matrix]

also the extra big evises on adds make my peepee hard

dfa isnt annoying though

I dont understand people saying that

[sour wraith]

it puts you in the back every time

[safe matrix]

so?

[sour wraith]

unless they fixed it

[safe matrix]

Just hang around there

its not hard

[sour wraith]

one of the tanks stays there

[weary gate]

DFA can get you in front of boss and you can get smashed by boss

[sour wraith]

for my group

[safe matrix]

tell your tank to gtfo

[lone junco]

yeah we put tanks on the sides

[safe matrix]

explain why they need to not stand there

[lone junco]

they have no reason to be hanging out by the rear add imo

[torn coyote]

u guys talking about kin hc or mythic?

[safe matrix]

hc

[weary gate]

btw any1 here plays feral too?

[safe matrix]

Mythic I'll probably switch to sin for the fight, I just have more fun on heroic with sub

[torn coyote]

sin way much harder than subs

[safe matrix]

🤔

[weary gate]

lolwut

[torn coyote]

yes

[weary gate]

Well that can be personal opinion but generally sub is considered the harder spec

[torn coyote]

what is hard with subs ?

[weary gate]

Well

it's one of the most punishing specs if u fuck up

[safe matrix]

punishing, easier to be cucked by mechanics. High skill floor required. are the general consensus

[lone junco]

lol dfa parry

[weary gate]

you will not catchup if you waste your shadow dance

[safe matrix]

There's no real equivalent in sin to a fuck up like that

[weary gate]

But sub used to be way harder in ToS than now

imo

[torn coyote]

if u fail with subs means u are bad not hard spec

[weary gate]

lol

nice logic xD

[torn coyote]

its all about cds

[lone junco]

2000 Iq coming through.

🚍

[tiny widget]

20 iq rogue here

[lone junco]

same.

[safe matrix]

so two assassination rogues?

xd

[tiny widget]

anyone have a poison reminder thats clickable?

[safe matrix]

xDdDDDDDdddD

[tiny widget]

😛

[lone junco]

I play sin, cause tbh, its very easy and hard to mess up.

[torn coyote]

if u play sin and u get 99s at mythic

then u r really good

[tiny widget]

then you got poisonbombs

[safe matrix]

guys, he's obviously baiting you all

and you fell for it

[torn coyote]

not everyone get alot of pb to be top ranks

[safe matrix]

tsk tsk tsk

[lone junco]

reminder easy vs hard is easy to chart. Higher dps at lower performance ranks = easy

[safe matrix]

I had a fight one vari with one poison bomb over 4 minutes, guess I should reroll 🤷

[torn coyote]

what i meana sin u need to track every debuff and every buff all 5 min fight

[tiny widget]

wow

[torn coyote]

and know when u save ur cds or use it

[tiny widget]

well

[weary gate]

as sin feels rly bad to fuck up kingsbane tho

[elder frost]

that's every spec in the game tho

[lone junco]

easy

[tiny widget]

you cant press the same button twice in a row as monk

[safe matrix]

LOL

[tiny widget]

hard af

[torn coyote]

otherhand subs just faceroll thier cds when they come back

[lone junco]

still pretty easy

this one makes me lol

rip sub max

poor sub

[safe matrix]

FeelsSubMan

[weary gate]

Rip

[elder frost]

FeelsT21Man

[safe matrix]

^

[weary gate]

i dropped sub because of t21

[lone junco]

and that would be best play. god mode. bottom tier

[weary gate]

only reason

[elder frost]

fucking 4% cancer

who thought that was good design

[weary gate]

sub was perfect in ToS

[lone junco]

4% thats like 1 per fight?

[elder frost]

nah

[safe matrix]

depends

[elder frost]

it procs

[weary gate]

1 per minute

[elder frost]

at the shittiest times tho

[weary gate]

xD

[safe matrix]

its like poison bomb, but MORE unreliable

and that it changes your rotation

[elder frost]

like at opener, it procs on the first SS after SS NB

and then you feel like shit

(with gloves)

the best time is when it procs before Dfa

[weary gate]

but i feel like sin is often credited as very easy spec

i disagree with that

[lone junco]

i mean, bracer boot is pretty easy. you just mash stuff.

95 is pbomb luck

[torn coyote]

its easy to learn hard to master

[lone junco]

but other than that, it isnt horrible

[safe matrix]

hard to master poison bomb tbh

[weary gate]

having energy and dots before TB/ kingsbane windows etc

[lone junco]

I play high crit, so its pretty easy imo.

4cp all day.

so you can refresh rupture mid kb and never drop env.

[weary gate]

some specs literally are "press X when its off CD", atleast we have to plan beforehand xD

noobe are you talking about mythic or hc logs

[plain thistle]

but we basically smash everything on CD too

🤔

[weary gate]

read my sentence again 😛

atleast we have to plan beforehand

[lone junco]

@weary gate those charts are heroic. but the same is in mythic.

mythic sin is higher than sub at lower performance levels

[sour wraith]

still barely an upgrade because of bad stats feelsbadman

[plain thistle]

but almost every class is like that, you dont want to use CDs without anything to use

[safe matrix]

you guys do realize he's trolling right?

[lone junco]

sure.

[safe matrix]

either that or he's just dumb 🤷

[weary gate]

me?

[safe matrix]

no need to concern ourselves either way

nah the 200 iq dude

[weary gate]

ah ye

I like that they are giving higher proc chance for PB in BFA

up to 20% for 5 combo points iirc

[gilded lark]

it'll be weakened as a result

[weary gate]

yep ofc

but it's better that way

now it's "all or nothing" gambling

[sour wraith]

is it ever ok to envenom at 3 cp to keep the buff up during KB? or should i let it fall off for like a sec to get another mut in

[weary gate]

if you absolutely have to then i think 3 cp is better than letting it fall off, but this is my feelycraft

[sour wraith]

ok

[gilded lark]

it's a sign

first raid boss as rogue

13% pb

first random heroic, legendary

we back boys

[civic palm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/animation-post-DJary8OJbpoEE

[lone junco]

@sour wraith surge of toxins buffs the kb ticks, and scales with cps. So having env up nice. basically this means space out your env and clip them

we have a really good sample here by Jhonwei

thats a TB with 3env.

and Env buff uptime through the kb

[civic palm]

that sad MUT MUT 😦

[lone junco]

he had almost a minute with 100% env uptime

by spacing out the env.

instead of mashing them quickly

[gleaming spire]

should i boots bracers kingaro or just stay shoulders?

[lone junco]

up to you. shoulder bracer is better for adds. bracer boots are better for boss

[gleaming spire]

have to try shoulders probs could dick the meters when add pops

[lone junco]

just use vendetta and vanish on the adds and you will wreck them.

leaves boss damage really limp.

[gilded lark]

first dogs kill on rogue

[strong ore]

anyone have a good weakaura set up

for assasin

[civic palm]

Plenty on Wago

eg. https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue/assassination

[sour wraith]

@lone junco how do you get those timer things up on warcraftlogs? like the ones where you can see when someone uses vendetta or tb or something

[lone junco]

when you are on casts or buffs or debuffs click the + on the right.

will pin it, so you can change views

unless you are talking about the raw timeline.

[nimble tartan]

BOONK GANG WHOLA LOTTA GANG SHIT

[lone junco]

doink

[shrewd oriole]

True shit

[dim sigil]

guys

i need a good name

for my rogue

male bloodelf

i need something edgy as fuck

[shrewd oriole]

Stabbymcstab

[crystal fox]

🤢

[dim sigil]

no

Ugandadagger?

[gilded lark]

first

male belf? wtf

no

second, that's a dead meme

[quick talon]

Edgyrogue

Edgyname

[sacred cobalt]

is it bad to always try to clip surge of toxins instead of envenom buff?

[safe matrix]

envenom has a pandemic timer

of 1.5-8s

[quick ice]

if you have the CP to always clip SoT, then go for it 😃

[timber basin]

Anyone have the Mad Merchant up on their US Horde server? 😛

[dim sigil]

ok update

i got a name

https://gyazo.com/8432510b132b7558f50c924bd7c451c6

Dope? Ya or nah?

[crystal fox]

just sickening

get out

[dim sigil]

:^)

[vapid moth]

I'm a lazy fuck. There's still a lot of shit I could do to increase dps lol

[quick talon]

That name is an easy way to stop people from checking your logs

[crystal fox]

or even inviting you to a group

[celest mirage]

thoughts on forgefiends fabricator in m+?

[safe matrix]

pretty shit

[gilded lark]

garbage

[celest mirage]

have just been running shadow singed and golganneths

[safe matrix]

and you wanted

[vapid moth]

Nothing wrong with thag

[safe matrix]

to swap those out for forgfiends?

????

[vapid moth]

You can check the herodamage page for multitarget trinkets

!relics

[celest mirage]

lol maybe the mines did mad mdg

[vapid moth]

...

[celest mirage]

dmg*

[safe matrix]

Forgefiends is only okay at best for long stationary fights as subtlety

[vapid moth]

!trinkets

[safe matrix]

rip bot

😢

[vapid moth]

Why he not working

I feel like a wizard who's lost his powers

[celest mirage]

im pretty sure glaives are not very good since we have no way to buff them like sub

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[quick talon]

he's a bit slow

[gilded lark]

be nice

[vapid moth]

Haha

[gilded lark]

it has bautism

[safe matrix]

glaives are still better than forgefiends though 🤷

[lone junco]

exang ratios.

as expected.