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Eu
mize stalking again ๐
Well, you have a warcraftlogs footprint, but no logs.
Then it's off to the Simulator Outputs and practice with you!!
I honestly don't have a clue what are you talking about
Okay cool ๐
Do i need some addon for Raidbots or?
simulation craft addon
It would be better, but you can use the website to get your armory numbers.
and things will be fine.
So long it states that the Crucible data is up-to-date.
I got it
You can get the simulationcraft addon, which will let you type /simc in-game and it will give you a giant thing you can copy and paste into raidbots.
I already did it without an addon
998k...
Damn
BAH
was gonna say 900k
oh, and warcraftlogs.com is a place that records your raid performance on bosses. it shows everything about your damage/rotation, so if anything went wrong, they will show
guys
fok on 2 targets, or on 3 ?
Yeah but the way you typed it made it sound like you were going to Slay Israelis > _>
I just ran the quick sim
@merry orbit 2+
So if you are serious about getting better at Rogue and wanna get some numbers to follow.
yea i know that, but i dont know exactly how interpretate "2+"
Run the Stat Weights sim and plug those numbers into the addon PAWN;
check your bags and bank for gear that might be better than what you have.
and make note of what stats are better for you so you can see what might be an upgrade in regards to drops.
2+
2 and the numbers above it
If people wanted you to only hit 3 and over, then would say 3+.

Then bookmark all of the things that we have pinned;
**Assassination Guide: **
http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
Trinket and relics Simulations. (includes NCL strings):
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
If you read over the Icy-Veins guide, find someone to remove those memories from your brain.
and read the guide listed here instead.
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What changed to make mantle fall out favor on herodamage?
since when do you mean
there was a change to make it from 6 seconds to 5
but that was some time ago
I swear I looked a few weeks ago and mantle was at the top with a lot of the options there
Now itโs all boots and bracers , head and boots, insignia boots.
Just curious if Iโm on crack or if something changed.
are you sure you're looking at poison build?
It also depends on your gear. Not the profile.
Ooooooh
Iโm on crack. Was looking at the bleed build
Whoops. Ok that makes sense now. ๐
dont do crack kids
or Bleed. :3
only girls bleed
and they don't poop.
that video never happened
so i lose 117 allstars overnight because locks are padding their asses off on adds
Everyone did, not just you, nothing changes.
ask a better question
Yep
tf
the bracer 30% bonus. how is it applied
what's the problem kek
i just think thats the reason they took it out
muhNormalParse!!
Over and over and over.
shit, my best aggramar heroic parse was rank 3, rip ๐ฆ
at least its good for mythic, because im playing a fucking dk for the fight ๐ฆ
true
maybe next week ill go with rogue, because vanquisher token from him is going to our tanks and they are just trying to get WF/TF ๐ค
That is also another possible answer for why it was removed.
Even in Heroic, having a B-DK just for grips means you might have someone off of DPS and dicking around with adds.
yall
this dk tank just pulled 6 spiders on BHT stairs
then told me to cloak the ticks after i died
then proceeded to pull 6 more spiders
what? dying to just 6 stacks ? ๐ค
Nice cloak
6 stacks is fine and all. when the group knwos its fucking coming
when not using mantle and with nightstalker u vanish rupture right
yarr
and with subterfuge u vanish garrote
because subterfuge and wrist ring is simming higher for me
With Subterfuge so long you Garrote after the vanish or after the thing you do after the vanish, you will be fine
You have that three second window.
with deep strategem do I use envenom at 6 points?
would u guys recommend using nightstalker or subter without mantle i feel nightstalker feels better and its only .03 difference
oldwar or prolong power
I just got the talent ring and it gives me the vigor talent so I specc'd into deep stratagem. I'm just curious if I should envenom at 5-6 points now and is it worth it to mutilate at 4 points now
PP
yeah you envenom at 4 without DS so you dont waste points
so it stands to reason that you'd sdo 5+ with DS
Yeah, that's my thought. 2CP to make, MUT generates the same with DS, so MUTing at 4 to get to 6 seems fine.
It is at least not more of a pure CP waste.
okay awesome thank you
just wanted to make sure I was doing it right
also is it worth it to rupture at 5-6 ?
My only hold-up is the added damage you get from DS possibly making 4CP finishers worth it.
But that's been nerfed so many times that I assume Blizzards' intention is to make sure people are actually using 5-6CP.
well rupture does the same damage regardless, just the time is different
so unless you're trying to snapshot it with NS it doesnt really matter
With DS play @ 5-6CP, the same as you would play with Vigor at 4-5CP.
right, and garrote is 18 a rupture at 3 cp is 16 so i'm wondering is it better to do it at 3-4 cp?
i end up refreshing rupture at the same time I do garrote so is it worth using the extra cp when it never stays that long
I mean if you refresh it less often, you have less to do
and more enrgy to do other things
#lifeadvice
Like checking out that Night Elves ass > _>
so better to 5-6 cp it?
you know about pandemic right?
Finishers @ 5-6CP when using Deeper Strat
So Pandemic.
So whenever you refresh a buff/debuff the current remaining time on the old buff (up to a cap of 30% of the original time) will be added onto the next cast.
That is correct.
So if you refresh a 5 point rupture at 7 ish seconds or below, that time will be added onto the new debuff.
yall this same tank mass pulled the fel lords twice. the first time he pulled 3 which was good. after they died he immidiately pulls the next 3 and we all wipe cause no one had cds
if 3 of them is killing you, the tank isn't the problem
T R U
Keep refreshing before it goes out so it never drops?
Yeah, you can get an extra 30% duration if you refresh the DoT when there is 30% of the previous max duration remaining.
it has to be 30% though? like if its say 10 seconds it will completely reset the whole thing?
if you let your bleeds fall off, flowi's hand will reach through your screen and beat you to death.
A 5CP Rupture will allow 7.2 seconds to be added to your new Rupture.
The pandemic window works for 0-30%. if you refresh over 30%, the other seconds are just wasted.
What even is the duration of a 6CP Rupture?
its linear isnt it?
28sec
8.4 seconds then
from a 6CP rupture
To be all-too-specific;
6CP - 8.4,
5CP - 7.2,
4CP - 6.4
So like... 7 seconds.
You will lose some uptime but for learning it's better than nothing
so aim a refresh at 7-8 seconds depending on the cp and it wont fall off?
Just aim for 7 seconds, yeah.
and garrote on cd correct?
garrote is the same
If you do not have 2pT20
no teir
Refresh Garrote @ 30% of it's full duration.
and there's no weirdness with the timing.
it is when he doesnt aggro the fucking bats
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also is there a cap for mastery or it doesnt matter?
No cap.
New gear, run the raidbots stat weights again to make sure you are not doing something weird.
Now to spread much cancer, mwuhahaha.
so you guys really think the group shouldve lived through 3 fel lords and the bat aggro?
probably not. though he did tell us to run up the stairs
lol from 3 months ago. no wonder i hated M+
assass doesn't need 2 charges of step like sub to soak every Marked Prey on m vari right?
nope
but
marked prey is on a 30 sec cd just like shadowstep
so if you intend on soaking every one dont fuck up the first
been there, done that
question - so Shocklight is simming craazzzzyyyy high good for me..and im rocking 3Xshocklight. Should I run the insigina legendary instead of helm?
Only legendaries I have are Belt/Helm/KJ's/back

is that with 19 pantheon trinkets >_>
8 I find is p accurate
dunno
2 tanks 3 healers 3 str 6 agi 6 int is usually what we run
only have 1
then you should have higher than average procs
yep
I don't even sim 2.1 ๐ข
Raidbots doesnโt inc trinkets by default yeh?
no its a setting
should i be saving all my cds for adds on mythic KG
what legos you have
i have all of them
ive been saving vanish only for the first add spawn
so ill have kingsbane
toxic blade and vanish
dont use bracers?
@gusty kestrel ..I did...I was just curious if I should trust the sim
3/11 :3
mmmm

Top 100 Server with Eonar kill, buncha shitters on here.
World: 4709
G G get fucked world
hahaha
miffic raiding is hard
i found it boring the bosses i have done but i not doing prog
so farm is always boring as shit
the nerd scream when you kill a hard boss is kinda cool but it takes a lot to get there
i just want farm to be over as fast as poss but then you get idiots stressing about their parse and whinin about doin mechs wipin ya
my friend did prog every week for like 2 months with a guild on frostmourne and didn't kill argus
some people are just really bad at this game or dont care
dissapointed. I cant have Broads gif pfp play at the same time when he has multiple messages in one screen
Hey, kinda new to assassination, could someone look at my logs and see what the biggest problem I have is? The other assassination rogue I raid with does way more than me, but I feel like I'm not playing too bad.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/czxRvaWnbN9yqMrL#fight=last
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Raiding rn but can poke through if no one else does later on
just keep discord open on my second monitor for downtime lol
Alright no worries, Just PM me or @ me when you get the chance. thanks in advance ๐
Hey guys quick question, if straight ST opener with a 970 EoC, should I wait for 10 stacks to do opener (holding CDs) or just use everything straight away? Shoulders and wrists.
I'm on M aggy rn trying to figure it out
Id say just go straight through
Dont hjave EoC tho but i dont think holding CDs for that would be worthwhile
@normal cedar eoc doesn't matter during opener with shoulder. 100% crit is plenty.
^ good point
That actually made me lol
Yeah true, I'm not a math guy and I just switched back to sin like a month ago.
ty though @lone junco
@everyone
@strange python
why the fuck we @'ing everyone
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tf is this shit
I still kicked him/it for it.
is 5 ilevel relic worth is if i lose a master Alchemist?
sim it ?
The CD wont show up on your actionbar till the buff wears off on you
Or gets cancelauraed
I popped it at the start of a pull in m+
didn't have it for the rest of the dungeon
was kinda aids doing a 19 cathedral without tricks
its just grayed out on my bars
can't even use it from spellbook
relogged, reloaded, did everything
whack
update: straight up not working
I can use tricks once after dying, however it does not apply the buff to either player
which I'm guessing is why the cooldown is not going off
thats pretty meme
is master assasin the best relic?
sim it
i thought it was alchemist but on relic sims its assasin hm
sim yourself.
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!stats
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when i'm in execute range should i still be snapshotting rupture like back in NH or should i just envenom?
with vanish ofc^
you open using env with vanish
if taking NS and poison build
i think that applies to almost all situations
^
interesting
anyone knwo if poisen build or bleed build is best for world pvp?
probably poison
miz so pisen is better for world pvp?
That's what I did before they nerfed shoulders in WPVP > _> if I recall correctly anyway.
I can see high vers. working for a hit and run kinda build.
right
But there's not enough stuns to get things running.
one other question
The problem with WPVP is that it's either in a group, or solo. With Solo's the PSN opener is more than enough to kill pretty much anyone.
when i do snapshot my envenom should i be trying to clip it with surge of toxins? or does that not really matter much anymore?
and in groups you are only trying to pick people off anyway.
Surge of Toxins does not increase ENV damage.
ezpz
mizerok what is psn opener?
so then do the bracers not affect env either?
Hi, because RNG, I got 7 traits in Master Assassin. Do you think that at this point it would be better to use leg boots rather than bracers? Bracers win in sims, but just by a small 0.3 / 0.4 %
Any1 has weak aura for surge?
Use whatever you feel would be better for the encounter if things are that close @next ingot
No one tracks SoT so there's little chance that there is an Sot tracker in anything new.
Though it's like 3 buttons to make one.
ok, thx
PSN opener for PVP would be like...
Garrote > TB > KB > kidney > MUT > ENV
If you have the gear advantage that kills pretty much anyone, but if it's a tank.
Reopening from stealth will be required.
I guess u just get used to the 4 sec duration and not even track it
5 seconds but no
There's no use in tracking it.
Because you are either never interested in clipping it in normal play or;
you are spamming ENV during burn phases and where SoT is does not matter.
SoT tracking used to be a thing when we had Agonizing Poison, which was buffed by Surge of Toxins.
So clipping SoT to maintain a fat stack of AP was important.
I switched from sub about 1 week ago and im not pulling the dps i should and im trying to figure out whats wrong
I was joking to myself out loud that you would have said 18% crit.
Which is hilariously low.
and then you went lower, possibly.
Anyway, how much lower are you?
Yeah but how much lower than your simulated DPS are you on something like, Gorathi?
Id say i sim 2m but pull max 1.7 on mythic garothi
Sounds about right.
Due to the randomness of Poison Bomb you can just not hit that number ever.
and if you are running out of DMG you are losing uptime which is dropping your DPS as well.
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for DMG*
_>
I guess im gonna stick to sub and wait til i get bis gear
I just couldnt play as sub on kin garoth and decided to switch over
Sure sure sure
Too much rng with the dfa and the 4p.
Yarrr
Im progressing on coven now what is your progression?
M 3/11 with my potato buddies.
w/e you can play without killing yourself over it.

2fast
that compression was booty
Don't wanna lose quality ๐ฆ
alright imgur don't fuck meeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Have u seen the first dungeon from bfa
It's pogchamp
Sure
Asmon was streaming it last night
uhhuh
Oh yeah?
Ive been five minutes at work and I already consider myself done with this friday

ooo that's nice
Hey, i have a question concerning the logs and rankings on warcraftlogs...the old parses with dp/nightstalker and fok bugs are taken into consideration?
I am sure that some of them are still there, yes.
Aight
The latest FoK bug was never really able to get onto WCL due to log submissions being turned off.
What is AHC
Antoran High Command
Aggramar heroic? ๐
Well no, but on 1st boss mythic i did like 2.1m dps (or close to it) and my logeas 86, where most classes around this dps are 95.....
I have a whoping 86 parce on garothi and its my highest
Ye, and i even ignored mechanics confident in an orange log ๐
Then you look the top dps assasination rogue is around 2.8 mil
At garothi
And if you look on the detailed tab dp is miles ahead
The lower the time of the fight the higher the dps
He pulled that high cause they burned him?
Titanforging and stupid trinket system ruined competitiveness
You are never gonna surpass a guy with 970 eye of command
Yeah cause that trinket is gonna carry him to R1.
Jokes on you PBomb will, not some trinket.
its about who plys better on a 100 pull basis
Well yeah 1 time i had 4 pb procs 15 sec in the fight
thats life ๐คท๐ฟ
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Pure skills
on argus yesterday i had 4 orange parse pulls that we wiped at 4% or so
on kill pull my parse was 23
cant really be mad
its just the way it is
its about who plys better on a 100 pull basis
its about who gets better PBs during execute
ftfy
Yeah Slack is talking historically.
I mean, the conversation was about r1
Not just 1 lucky parse.
So, I guess?
there will not be a r1 without huge eggplant pbs
or bugs
sure
Well, I thought my Server is full of the biggest scrubs world wide
Without exception
Suddenly found out we have the best m+ player world wide
ok then
What but what about the rest of the idiots?
6470.6 m+ score
like wtf
hm.. ๐ the rest
the second best is even 1k+ more points behind lul
morning
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is fine
no the t3 is shit too
Morning
forced into shell for a dps trait
I had a MAss MAlch with shell once ahahah
did you practice your outlaw rng enough in the start of the expansion?
doesn't look like it
its only mythic I thought?
what did they do?
Remove it from logging
lul
fucking n2
That name tho Tomm
pogchamp
Yโall SOYBOYS better respect tom, rank TWO rogue
Is Tom
fuck u
Tom == Tomm
S O Y B O I S
gotta respec wamen
What is that
Hey Tomm go find another car to jump in front of.
Heroic on a specific server
Nah, all regions
I can post out of context orange parses too
Kek
Nah Tomm is ๐
Yeah I was looking at server for some reason lol still r7
bahaha
What
idiot
Well hopefully you are not trying to get a girl that admires your brain.
Iโm confused now
u fuckin idjet
Cache?
All regions tho
press ctrl+f5
Iโm 7 in all regions yeah
not for me
Well you gotta get the NAdiots in there.
Is this lfr difficulty or what
Lmao
Tom, how many MAss do you have?
1

Lmao
haha
you shitter
That's like... lag.
Yeah lag.
Look so long you Vanish before ENV hits you are fine > _>
Itโs a 2M damage loss or smth
Not a big deal but a mistake nonetheless
Iโve been trying to fix it but Iโm very much a muscle learner and just sorta space off
Make a macro and hit that instead.
I meaaaaaaaaaaaaan

I had a lego parse yday with 1% pb
Yeah I was just doing te same thing
I don't think I'm doing anything too wrong
but my gear is pretty shit
ye
I only sim at like 2.03 mil at 969 ilvl though
cause too much vers
not enough mastery
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Someone in my guild made this
When I complained about my shoes being ruined after I got ran over
Lmao
if you have high crit and vers try simming bracer insig with ep
haha
might sim better for you
Honestly, I still don't put that much effort into learning assa
I should though
I'm still top of my raid though ๐คท
Same
I have a friend rogue, he has 38% crit and anti sims higher than vigor
EU is awake, it's late, time to sleep O _O
I just got up and I'm NA
nae nae
I took a nap at 8:30pm
Sure I can see that.
I've been making stupid GIFs.
and throwing away 9 out of 10 of them.
sleepy time mize
hush
right
Kek
You seem pretty woke
Woke
Guess I farm upper all day
why do you want eoc when content is ded
7 more months to hit #1
whats the next raid beofre BfA?
Best leggo combo for M+??
Nest raid before bfa 
The liqueur store tbh
Because youll want to be drunk after 7 months of Imonar
Maybe after 7 months we can kill immonar
Hit enrage 3 times because of so many dead
@jovial kite

ROGUE GANG ROGUE GANG ROGUE GANG ROGUE GANG ROGUE GANG ROGUE GANG
they ded
gegilbush

Gigelbuh 
dont forget to refresh them carrots boys
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Rogue gang rogue gang rogue gang
Does anyone else not get Poison bomb showing up on details?
No
im quite new to assassination rogue, and im wondering, is it a bug that my first mutilate after opener with mantle, doesnt give me 4 combo points?
i open with garrote -> mutilate -> rupture
but my mutilate sometimes doesnt give me 4 combo points
Hey are there any resources for M+ stuff? Experienced in raiding but as I push higher keys wanted to know if there is anything im missing
dead class confirmed?
Not really just ask here
So for M+ is there any major talent or legendary changes?
Miraclestep streams every now and then and both him and ashine are very willing to get responses
It seems pretty static
Him and ashine are by far the best m+ rogues
Not really, cloak shoulders for st, shoulders hands for st
The usual
Talents remain the same tho you do run elusiveness for a few dungeons
cloak shoulders for MT and shoulders bracers for ST?
Yes lmao
Advice number 1: go sub
lol
Like yeah sure if you get pb youโre a good spec
But if you donโt you do like no aoe damage lol
The guide has lots of good info
Sebek (@lethal heart) or myself are always willing to answer most of your questions regarding m+
When playing two specs, how do you handle stat weights?
Just collect different gear
And you can also talk to the top rogues quite easily, accessible people
?
Yeah
Gear isnโt even that different
Mastery > crit > versa for assa, mastery = versa > crit
For sub
lie of the century
Itโs true
Yeah I guess since 4p takes up 4 of the slots it makes it pretty inflexible

But yeah you got mostly rings boots belt neck that you can move around
Sebek (@Sebek) or myself are always willing to answer most of your questions regarding m+

Did tom get laid or why is he so uplifted and positive 
More successful game than josh
Gl
When you get her into bed, make sure to ignore her in favor of playing overwatch 
Better than Josh, he kept posting pictures to discord of the girl to prove he wasnt gay.
Pillowtalk consisted of him just mumbling and walking over to his desk to play wow
And when it was time to sleep he slept on the floor

that dude has some serious problems
almost feel bad for how memed he gets in TC
almost
Tbf
I shouldnt be talking
After all, I dont go around congratulating women on their weightloss
i think i have some screenshots somewhere
i need to find these, i may not have saved them
I have clips upon clips of this guy to sate my thirst for cringe stuff
oh i've never seen his twitch
not that much of a masochist
hmm that is
missing context
Xd
i must not have saved the rest
think they were sent to me
but man
they're fucked up
kinda don't wanna post here
How does one become like that
just search him in tankchat
it's bad
saber "i think when josh finally bangs a girl he will realize he's more into men"

jesus CHRIST
hello, does any one have wa for poison bomb with announce on say ?
yes
could You share string/link
no
lul toxic

Ill PM it to you broad so you can see just how lulworthy this is

me too pls
ok who the fuck is josh
Yup
Professional raider pmsl
part of me that just died I cant get back
congrats on not being a fatty lul
Nobody reacting to the fact this guy has been stalking her profile pictures
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I assumed he'd seen it through a non-rapey way
Just got rank 1 parse. 0 poison bomb procs
Was a meme
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World first
never lucky
"No ones ever done that in the history of Poison bomb"
You spent your luck getting that
Im on loot council so i cant give myself loot.
980 feet drop. give them away
985 Dogs neck drops, give it away
POGGERS
Sounds like you need a new guild
Not taking loot as loot master because raid team gets mad ๐ค
surprisingly
Sounds like it's time to kick everyone who would be mad for that or of your guild
There is a difference between 'not assigning loot to myself cuz officer' and 'this is a piece Ill never replace, so Ill give it to the most valuable member'
0.153% chance of it never proccing
Idc dude
Ill take the Argus mount
When we kill it
just straight up no rolls no :"who should it go to"
Its mine
Id be more mad about that than gear 
Nah
There is an Aggra changes, yes
the boss is just not that hard ๐
mixing singular and plural 
what changes? is it documented
-s ^^
@stone sandal Where?

link pls
I know WCL stopped counting aggra towards allstar points
but thats the onyl change relating to aggra I've heard
nothing in game
Cause they would padd on the adds
Cant be bothered to "/Remove embers from ranking"
@still pewter you don't roll or some shit for loot?
Also what are all star points for
Epeen
Its proraiders 2.0
all star points are a fun minigame to keep you entertained once the raid is clear
sucks to have private logs @viscid helm ๐
Why is that
@vapid moth if i give myself all the loot. We wouldnt have the dps to finish the raid tier LOL we have like 12 people on vanq
you cant post your epeen everywhere
A L A C R I T Y
Ew
Assa gameplay doesnt any better than Alacrity
wait
256 cp
thats only correct if he uses 1cp finishers repeatedly ๐
which i hope he didn't
garrotes u to deth
It's called carrot now, giggle.
@turbid harbor not rly
no
?
Listen, I didnt wanna figure out the average finsiher points
I really dont care that much
Well the avarage should be 4 obviously
Are u are dumb
I did
go study again
studying what rogue 101?
studying how to get better at sin
WutFace
???
Giggle
hi
Gaggreflex?
Liavres color is wrong
Correct it for me
FeelsBadMan
i'm a ninja
changes liavre's name to orange
not a poison or a bleed
you should make me orange
Yasssss
or purple









