assassination

[grave elk]

my sim says symbiote belt for the 30% increased dmg on 90% target hp is simming higher than the ring

[spiral heron]

ty

[grave elk]

does raidbots account for the dbl talent set up or nah?

[shrewd night]

DBL?

[grave elk]

the ring that gives u vigor, so i also take deeper strat.

[quick ice]

double

and yes, it does

[grave elk]

wow so the symbiote belt is that good?

[quick ice]

assuming you clicked the box that selects the talent

[shrewd night]

Double talent ring is garbage outside of specific situations, so yeah 🤷

[grave elk]

@quick ice where is the box that says talent? im running the top gear sim

[quick ice]

when you select the ring it should give you an alternate talent option if you're already using vigor?

[exotic glen]

yea

you pick DS then

oh, no you have to manually pick another talent i think

[grave elk]

i dont see how to do that tho in the sim

[quick ice]

I don't have my ring on me to check in raidbots 🤷

[grave elk]

is the prob im running into

i have the ring selected, but i dont see an option for manual talent selection fori t

[exotic glen]

you pick the talent on your char and then equip the ring??

then rerun the sim?

[quick ice]

there

assuming you have vigor selected

it will look like that

[grave elk]

ok lemme see

[quick ice]

if you don't have vigor selected as a talent anyway, it won't show anything there

because it assumes you'd keep your 1st talent

[grave elk]

vigor is given by the ring tho

so i cant have that preselected

[quick ice]

you can if you don't have the ring equipped

[shrewd night]

Someone not using vigor as their first talent is straight up

[quick ice]

doesn't exsang use DS?

[jovial kite]

[shrewd oriole]

What’s an exsang

[shrewd night]

We dont talk about that shit in this discord

[jovial kite]

Its the cute fluffball of pwn

[shrewd oriole]

Exsang in 2018

LUL

[jovial kite]

Triggerwarning

[shrewd night]

You clicked past the triggerwarning when you entered Ravenholdt dw

[shrewd oriole]

You chose to be a meme when you specced exsang

[jovial kite]

Talking about you

[shrewd oriole]

😂

[quick ice]

tbh, with the eyes and the weird kitty mouth it is kinda cute

[jovial kite]

Ikr

[quick ice]

ignoring the blood drips all around it

[shrewd oriole]

No

You must resist temptation fool

[jovial kite]

Made it myself :3

[shrewd night]

Bruh

[viscid helm]

Exsang

[shrewd night]

Ill give you cash to put that kittyface on my koffing

[jovial kite]

[zealous dew]

rogue 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

@viscid helm did you see the ascendanckes that were posted yday

Assa looks sick

[viscid helm]

Havent had time to check them out yet

[quick ice]

but koffing already has kittyface?

face*

[shrewd night]

[quick ice]

not kittyface

[shrewd night]

Removing that face is quick in photoshop

Just need the kittyface applied reallu

[brisk forge]

🐶

[quick ice]

👋 doggo

[supple hearth]

@jovial kite editing wont save u

[jovial kite]

Im not editing :0

[shrewd night]

🥄

[jovial kite]

:3 🥄

[supple hearth]

resizing.

i love u

xoxo

[jovial kite]

U2 bby

[shrewd night]

[viscid helm]

[zealous dew]

love story?

[jovial kite]

So cute giggle cant reaist

[supple hearth]

whats reaist mean

[jovial kite]

to reassist

🤔

[supple hearth]

🤔

[jovial kite]

[shrewd oriole]

Rogue applied to my guild

Look at his name

That’s Hungarian for tom

[quick ice]

probably shouldn't share his discord/btag

[jovial kite]

brb

[zealous dew]

Occi ?

nice name

[shrewd oriole]

Occi missing the D triggering my OCD

[zealous dew]

95% means that he raids 11.4 hours out of 12 hours per week ?

[shrewd oriole]

we only raid 8

So not eveb

[zealous dew]

7.6 then

then he quits

[shrewd oriole]

And not a single extra minute

[zealous dew]

fair enough

[jovial kite]

Occi the flaccid

[shrewd oriole]

He’s me but if I was from a filthy communist country lul

[zealous dew]

just recruit him

he looks friendly

[shrewd oriole]

What theb

[viscid helm]

Lol

[zealous dew]

most beautiful girls come from hungary, genetics there are on point

[shrewd oriole]

He’s got my name

And my class

[zealous dew]

he might introduce you to some of them

[shrewd oriole]

He’s a copycat

Don’t think the Israeli vegan crossfitter would like that

[viscid helm]

Theres only room for one Tom

[zealous dew]

vegan 😄

[shrewd oriole]

He’s officially worse than me

[shrewd night]

Is that fucking allstar points?

[strange python]

wow as sin rogue is a really good game

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah it is aha

For kazzak

[viscid helm]

Me to

[spark cloud]

tom, are you the 972 ilvl female belf in the guild pull ten?

[shrewd night]

dead realm btw

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah, why

[spark cloud]

looked you up on armory, had to switch to EU to see lol

[shrewd oriole]

Tom, are you tomm?

Ahah fair

[viscid helm]

Im not even top100 on frostwhisper

[spark cloud]

idk when im bored i like to look others up, see how their gearing and stuff is

[viscid helm]

Quality player

[shrewd oriole]

My gear is meh

That ring is aids

945 LUL

[spark cloud]

pff wanna see how poorly my casual ass plays this game?

Vï - Arathor (NA server)

i basically log on, do emissary and a couple other things then log off now adays

[shrewd night]

I like how wowprogress is fucking me

Shows me as horde on the overview instead of alliance

[spark cloud]

I used to go hard as fuck... Back in MoP LOL

[viscid helm]

What counts as "hard as fuck"

[zealous dew]

like a hammer maybe

[spark cloud]

well not raiding wise as i didnt have the time for that back then, but i literally played with every free minute i had and capped so many toons and geared them decently and got them full current tier pvp shit and gold farmed my ass off and transmogged them all like a boss and stuff

[shrewd night]

PVP

[zealous dew]

transmogged hard

[spark cloud]

i did heroic (later called mythic) a lot, and the guild i was with were the SWEATIEST lol

i did lmfao i transmogged HARD back in the day. anything at all that was leather my little kid fingers groped that shit and stored it in my maxed out bank and void storage

[shrewd night]

well not raiding wise as i didnt have the time for that
i did heroic (later called mythic) a lot

Somehow you manage to say two opposite things

[spark cloud]

i meant like i couldnt raid all day long like most hardcore people could. i'd pop on at night for an hour or 2 and that would be that

[zealous dew]

a lot is relative

for me a lot is 10 mins

[spark cloud]

i see i did contradict myself

[shrewd night]

Although, MoP wasnt like the hardest expansion considering we farmed/boosted Garrosh for a literal year

[stray patrol]

Every raid the other rogue in our guild has atleast 2x higher PB procs

I don't frigging get it

[shrewd night]

He prayed harder

[stray patrol]

So frustrating

[shrewd night]

And better

[stray patrol]

holy shit

[shrewd night]

Than you

Probably had 8/8 malch too

[stray patrol]

I hate it man

[viscid helm]

Same here

Luckily that player is awful

[jovial kite]

Heroic allstars

[shrewd night]

Heroic allstars even

wtf

@shrewd oriole You disappoint yer dad

[gilded lark]

@stray patrol have you considered

getting good

[viscid helm]

Whats the point

[shrewd night]

Progress is over

[zealous dew]

mine is not

[analog dune]

fak

[zealous dew]

i'm bad as fuck

[shrewd night]

Gz on shit trinket

[analog dune]

feelsbad

[spare cloud]

Finally got Pantheon Trinket

Feelsgoodman

[gilded lark]

fake don

pleb with no panth trink

kill him

[spare cloud]

Insta 970

[zealous dew]

he was outlul

[shrewd night]

970

[zealous dew]

isn't 1000 week ?

[spare cloud]

Man

[gilded lark]

it is

[spare cloud]

I started late 😦

[zealous dew]

c00l need to pug hc

[gilded lark]

snd can now meme at maximum capacity

[spare cloud]

I'm only Outlaw because it resembles dons color

[gilded lark]

f a k e d o n

[spare cloud]

You don't even know what was going on

pleb

[gilded lark]

idc

still fake don

[shrewd night]

You spelled Toffifay wrong btw @spare cloud

[spare cloud]

Yeah

Sorry

[gilded lark]

Don Chromosome

[shrewd night]

Don Koffing

🤔

[viscid helm]

Test

[gilded lark]

[viscid helm]

Hmm still not shadowblade

[gilded lark]

😔

can't ban fake don

[zealous dew]

Don Johnson

[stray patrol]

I considered it

but then i dunno

PB is not my friend

[gilded lark]

or your rotation is fucked

if it's that consistent

[viscid helm]

Maybe you should play the talent of the gods

[gilded lark]

🙏

[viscid helm]

More envenoms

More PB's

[zealous dew]

more eviscerates

[gilded lark]

more sinister strikes

[jovial kite]

More speedbleed

[strange python]

@viscid helm peanutbutter?

[zealous dew]

why isn't Flowi a sb yet?

what's slowing this process

[viscid helm]

🤷

[zealous dew]

damn burocracy

small indie discord

[jovial kite]

Flowi has a dark past according to stjern

[stray patrol]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/shattered-hand/slimboslice

you can check them out

[viscid helm]

I am reformed

[jovial kite]

I believe you

[stray patrol]

I think i'm doing the rotation good

But the rng is fucking me

[shrewd night]

does fine
complains about other rogues fucking him

[viscid helm]

IF i open that

Am i gonna see a scuffed opener

[stray patrol]

I'm doing better than the other rogue

[shrewd night]

Probably

[stray patrol]

but he still has alot more pb procs

[zealous dew]

dude

haste on ring

and no alacrity

what kind of game are you playing

[stray patrol]

haste on ring?

[shrewd night]

968 rogue doing 1,7m what is this shit

[zealous dew]

vendetta after tb ?

no 2nd prol during 2nd vanish ?

not g00d not g00d

[stray patrol]

that's it?

[shrewd night]

Major loss
thats it?

[zealous dew]

4.19 fight 2 vanishes ?

no no no

better not let flowi see this

or he goes nuts

[shrewd night]

Quick, say you are the other rogue so he dies from an aneurism

[viscid helm]

Scuffed af

Yup

[zealous dew]

ahi ahi ahi

there he is, you're doomed my friend

[viscid helm]

Im not even gonna look further than the opener

[shrewd night]

[zealous dew]

RIP

[viscid helm]

Already know rest is gonna be scuffed as well

IF the opener already is

[stray patrol]

This is the reason i'm asking

I've played assa for just 2 months or so

I knew something was wrong

[viscid helm]

Should read the guide

[vale carbon]

'For just 2 months'

[viscid helm]

Its made by Notter ik

Ik

But still

[stray patrol]

I've read it, but i've also mixed up things

Which is why i wanted to ask you guys to check the logs

TB before vendetta for example, was certain it wouldn't matter

but obv it is

[viscid helm]

What was the logic behind that

[stray patrol]

There was none

[viscid helm]

Id like to know

[stray patrol]

lol

It's a mistake i've made

that's it

[viscid helm]

I mean i dont follow the guide either

[stray patrol]

Also, my 2nd vanish. it doesnt always pair up with Vendetta+KB, so i can have it up for a bit

is that wrong?

[viscid helm]

Doesnt need to line with TB

But it should line pretty well with vendetta

Some delaying

[stray patrol]

Yeah, okay

Thanks though

[kindred cedar]

How do i do opener without shoulders and without "Subterfuge" talent? doesn't show either on ravenholdt or icy-veins what i can see

[viscid helm]

Vendetta,gar,mut,rupt,TB,kB,vanish,envenom

Assuming you play TB

[quick ice]

I feel like vanish env without shoulders isn't worth?

[shrewd night]

a) I dont feel like it is either
b) FEEL

[viscid helm]

You wanna get envenom buff and 2 set running

Since you just used TB and KB

[quick ice]

I mean, it delays vanish, but you could regular env, than vanish rup next finisher?

haven't looked to see what APL does tbh

[kindred cedar]

should i really use nightstalker on envenom without shoulders?

[viscid helm]

This is what APL does

[kindred cedar]

not empowered ruptures?

[viscid helm]

Last time i saw

I dont play TB so havent looked at it lately if its changed

[shrewd night]

inb4 @kindred cedar is all HE AINT PLAYING DE TB

[jovial kite]

guys

quess what i got

haste crit chest

14 weeks

and counting

[kindred cedar]

TB ?

[shrewd night]

oh boi

[viscid helm]

Arent you at work

[shrewd night]

Probably had someone open it for him to make the bandaid go away

[jovial kite]

left early.. apprentice crashed the robot

out of order until tomorrow

[shrewd night]

LOL

[viscid helm]

Nice

[shrewd night]

How fucked is he

[jovial kite]

around 7k fucked

[shrewd night]

wew

[jovial kite]

know tomorrow when the repairguy comes

[viscid helm]

TB is toxic blade

[quick ice]

thats not too bad a price for a robot repair is it?

[shrewd night]

7k usd

[viscid helm]

USD

[quick ice]

idk, only robots I've worked with would cost more than that

[jovial kite]

the robot wasnt fucked per se

[quick ice]

and are "robots"

[jovial kite]

but the welding arm was

[shrewd night]

Im not contesting that its cheap for a robot repair

[jovial kite]

its not like the robot took legs and flew off the roof

[shrewd night]

Its more that the intern

poor sod

Is going to get wrecked

[fiery nest]

What about your fuckmaster pro 4000 with elastized anus and drip tray

[jovial kite]

solid 👌🏿

[flint fable]

🍆

[jovial kite]

oh and 7k was the parts only btw

parts that we know of that got foked

[kindred cedar]

Vendetta,gar,mut,rupt,TB,kB,vanish,envenom

So that is the recommended opener without shoulders, subterfuge talent and set bonuses?

[viscid helm]

If you trust the APL then yes

[fiery nest]

What changes with shoulders there?

[viscid helm]

Shoulder opener is in the guide for TB

[fiery nest]

[kindred cedar]

trust the APL ?

[shrewd night]

ho boi

The simple explanation is that the sims are created from a APL, a priority list for skills.

[quick ice]

RNGesus got payback on me for my 17% PB vari last week

[shrewd night]

So if you trust how the sims work, you trust the APL

[kindred cedar]

ah okey

Seems wiered to empower envenom with NS instead of rupture tho

[shrewd night]

Feelycraft

[viscid helm]

Idk

Someone check the apl

Im to lazy to do it on phone

[shrewd night]

Although, alot of people swear by the APL, but 0,1% of the players use the opener in the APL

[viscid helm]

I mean i dont follow the APL either

[kindred cedar]

if 0.1% uses it, doesnt seem like a good option

any other idea on a opener?

[viscid helm]

No its just that 99% are ignorant

[quick ice]

so, I'm looking at the opener for non-shoulders NS

[viscid helm]

And dont even know what simcraft is

Or apl

[quick ice]

and it actually vanishes the 1st rupture

vend,gar,mut,vanish,rupt

[kindred cedar]

yeah that's what i thought

[viscid helm]

Ohh okay

So its old one then

[kindred cedar]

can u tell me the opener flowi? 😃

[shrewd night]

[quick ice]

but idk if it only does that if you have a 5cp rupture to NS buff

because I just checked sample dequence

[kindred cedar]

ah okey, and? 😄

the results?

[quick ice]

well that was the answer

the sample sequence has a 5cp rupture

idk what it does if it would be a 4cp rupture

[kindred cedar]

ah i see

so opener should be vend,gar,mut,vanish,rupture and then what? TB and kingsbane?

[quick ice]

yeah

[kindred cedar]

ah okey thanks! 😃

[shrewd night]

opening with vendetta seems so utterly reduced

Wew

close one

[viscid helm]

Smooth

[jovial kite]

saw that 👀

[shrewd night]

Sssssh, nobody tattletale

[quick ice]

still not 100% sure why vendetta as 1st action wins

[strange python]

Sorry but i don't follow, in what situation do you open with vendetta?

[shrewd night]

Every

[viscid helm]

No mantle

[quick ice]

according to the APL, all of them

[viscid helm]

Situation

[strange python]

Is it worth losing so much energy?

[shrewd night]

🤷

According to APL it is

[strange python]

mby with very good stats

[shrewd night]

APL doesnt account for stats

[strange python]

am just feelcrafting here

not talking bout apl in sim

[viscid helm]

Not sure what stats have to do with this?

[quick ice]

its one of those things where the theorycrafters spent a lot of time trying to work it out and it just seems to sim best, afaik?

[strange python]

@viscid helm What stats have to do with dmg?

idk either

[viscid helm]

You do understand that you waste even more with better gear

I mean feel free to test with 900ilvl

And see what the result it

[strange python]

@viscid helm and if you just tell me that i don't understand instead of explaining then what's your gol?

goal*

[shrewd night]

[strange python]

clear that i don;t get it, pointing it out doesn't help

[shrewd night]

Its fucking logical that the damage per energy goes up with better gear, jesus gtfo

[strange python]

yh

[quick ice]

summary is: the more gear you have, the more energy popping it early is wasted

so if anything, it would be the reverse?

where it isn't worth popping early in higher gear

[strange python]

It's not kind of logical, it's basic applied logic

But i didn't view it like that tho, my bad

[shrewd night]

I was trying to be gentle with you dw

[quick ice]

yeah @shrewd night can be

[viscid helm]

Delaying vendetta cycle is no good

[strange python]

being gentle?? lmao so hard

[viscid helm]

There is a chance to lose vendetta uptime by delaying

[shrewd night]

np

edited it for you

[quick ice]

watch out or stjern will come in and 🔨 you

[shrewd night]

I didnt use the r-word

Im good

[quick ice]

oh yep, true

[brisk forge]

Lol stil a angry kid so w/e

[strange python]

aye lmao

[shrewd night]

[finite cipher]

So only just started playing sin again, what'd I do bad here: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G1va4L9CB2DgXbKA/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=16

[viscid helm]

Im scared

[main blaze]

@quick ice It has to do with losing ticks of urge to kill. You either waste around 30 energy from urge to kill energy tick + wasted energy from venomous Vim if you cast it later. Or you waste 60 energy from vendetta being the first cast but dont waste any urge to kill ticks or venomous vim ticks.

[quick ice]

I guess that makes sense

[jovial kite]

ocd group

https://gyazo.com/54409273f339dbbcb6532481ee48d3f3

[shrewd night]

Is that doggo group or some shit?

[strange python]

SHOW YOUR SERVER

[jovial kite]

stormreaver

[viscid helm]

Pure fucking cancer

How can someone play there

[dense yew]

feels good

so many shit crucible rolls unt tils

[crystal fox]

Not even a socket

[strange python]

😡

[viscid helm]

Nice but no BB

[solar willow]

should i wait after opener to use kingsbane and 4 sec after toxic blade or use on cd?

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/7a2ae4ee3bd961e1831eee6ad97a3cf7

[zealous dew]

g5 sucks

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/06ab7e9cc37b8b847c37f37a9c315ac6

[viscid helm]

What is this

[vapid moth]

So much leather

Like pls carry me

[zealous dew]

g6 sucks now

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/b8bd19385a38287594f2d1a205ca053c

heroic logs

[vestal wren]

XD

caring about heroc logs in 2k18

[jovial kite]

yeah

exsang stronk

disregard poisonbois

[vestal wren]

iirc its quite equal after last apl updates of koji

[jovial kite]

they are

[stark heart]

[night vale]

guys im not the best rogue at all, managed to get a trial with a 7/11M guild tonight, im nervous! take a look at my garothi log and any tips would be greatly appreciated 😃

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PNjqCDHrBVTwXpxF#fight=31&type=damage-done

[solar willow]

any1 has string for surge of toxins weak aura?

[zealous dew]

LFR logs ftw

[viscid helm]

>

[vestal wren]

🤔 i wanted to do lfr with only ranged attacks (and naruto as details name) on sub, i assume those logs are more fun

[fast nacelle]

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/7f79eb882054a7a55c49e87dbe8aec6f

nooooooooo

4k shy

[rustic nova]

Would you recommend me using Monstrous Gluttery (945, increases dmg dealt by evnenom) over Svirax's Grim Trophy (930, increase damage dealth by deadly poison and wound poison) ?

[fast nacelle]

sim

[rustic nova]

alright

[jovial kite]

@night vale hey, mind linking your armory and tell your relics

[strange python]

Yo poison dudes, quick Q.
What has priority when KB or TB come up, but Rupture or Garrote are falling off/pandemic range/5s left. Do I refresh the dots first (and have KB/TB off CD for 3 seconds) and then KB/TB or do I refresh dots during KB/TB?

Seems a waste to use TB time to refresh a dot instead of Envenom, or to lose the Envenom buff during KB cause I need tp refresh Rupture

[cerulean depot]

What's the deal with elaborate planning?

[jovial kite]

@night vale but looking at that garothi log, you seem to miss around 5 toxic blades cast, atleast 2 kingsbanes, and you could work on your envenom and 2p uptime

you didnt lose combopoints or energy so thats good

just try to max envenom better and make sure to cast tb on cd

@cerulean depot playing exsanguinate, so you play ep to maximise rupture dmg

[night vale]

@jovial kite Thank you very much, armory is https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/silvermoon/snimo

I'm at 7/7 MasterAssassin and 5/5 MAlchemist atm

Yeah i was under the impression i had to hold tb to line it up,,, im gonna try just smashing it on CD same with kingsbane

I also think i should try and hold my vanishes to line them up with Vendetta more than i do

[strange python]

Only hold Vanish if Vendetta is reaaaally close or if you know you can only get 1 more Vanish into the fight. Then you can hold for execute phase

[stark heart]

@vestal wren I have eonar log with near 100% stealth uptime and 0 damage

[jovial kite]

but yeah.. your gearing seems good, you didnt lose any vendettas and you got 2 during execute, also cast last vanihs on execute and potion

[stark heart]

real ninja

[jovial kite]

only things id work on is tb more and envenom uptime

lemme look at ur opener and vanish usage 1 sec

[fast nacelle]

blizz wants me to play bleed
https://i.imgur.com/wU8hs80.png

[jovial kite]

do it

[stark heart]

🅱 leed

[strange python]

What has priority when KB or TB come up, but Rupture or Garrote are falling off/pandemic range/5s left. Do I refresh the dots first (and have KB/TB off CD for 3 seconds) and then KB/TB or do I refresh dots during KB/TB?
Seems a waste to use TB time to refresh a dot instead of Envenom, or to lose the Envenom buff during KB cause I need tp refresh Rupture

[stark heart]

you should prepare better

[turbid harbor]

garrote whenever, rupture before

[strange python]

Is it 100% avoidable to avoid?

possible to avoid

fuck i need sleep

[stark heart]

sometimes I refresh rupture not in pandemic just for TB

[strange python]

kk

[stark heart]

like when it has 11 seconds left

@warm parcel would probably say I am wrong but that's the way I do it

it doesn't happen often

[turbid harbor]

or you could just use tb then refresh rupture when it has 1s left

[jovial kite]

@night vale yeah.. one vanish is without without vendetta.. try to stack them when you can

and try to avoid refreshing bleeds during tb

[stark heart]

so then I leave TB with enough cp for rupture. why I didn't use them for another envenom?

[strange python]

and i meant a case where rup would fall off during TB

not 1s after

[jovial kite]

there were a couple cases where you refreshed garrote during tb and got only 1 or 2 envenoms in

otherwise it would've been 2 and 3 @night vale

[turbid harbor]

you can just mut and rupture with whatever you have left after

[viscid helm]

Dont play TB

Ez

[turbid harbor]

if rupture has 8s left and tb has 2s cd just rupture first

[strange python]

Alacrity

BiS

i hear

[vernal rain]

trained soldier best neck enchat ye?

[jovial kite]

otherwise looks good, tb and kb casts, vanish with vendetta and better refreshing of envenom @night vale

[strange python]

@viscid helm

[viscid helm]

It is

[strange python]

nice

[viscid helm]

Even with bad apl

[stark heart]

well I prefer to lose some rupture time for better TB

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grim jay]

Je you lose one bcs of the other you are doing it wrong anyways🤷

[jovial kite]

yeah.. if it happens its better to not refresh during tb

but you can avoid it by better planning

[stark heart]

I mean by lose - refresh not in pandemic

[viscid helm]

Maybe if you planned better

Argus would be dead

[grim jay]

Phew

🔥

[jovial kite]

[stark heart]

maybe

[warm parcel]

Naa not really

Like I do refresh shit out of pandemic aswell

[dire spoke]

I got dashizzled https://clips.twitch.tv/DeterminedZanyTrollDendiFace

[shrewd oriole]

@dire spoke doing an hc run wanna come

same goes for any eu boys

[dire spoke]

logging

[grim jay]

Eu boys should be working

[shrewd oriole]

true

[magic zenith]

please send me a magic wand to have my pbomb proc like ever.

[jovial kite]

🥄

here

take this :3

[magic zenith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE0aAhbVFc

ok

[alpine grotto]

Anyone else get rubbish in there chest

[jovial kite]

14th week of haste gear in a row

[shrewd night]

Id join you Tomm

But work

[supple mesa]

Best trinkets for sin in high m+?

[viscid helm]

Amanthul

[supple mesa]

Im running kjs i dont have amans

I have a 945 seat trinket moon glaives and what not but pantheon trinket + kjs simming best

however i know sims dont matter in trash clear

[shrewd night]

[supple mesa]

Also have that high command mine trinket but idk how I feel aout it

[shrewd night]

Feelycraft is high right now

[shrewd oriole]

@dire spoke easy 2.54M on garothi

LOL

4 procs in the last vendetta btw

[supple mesa]

mythic?

[shrewd night]

Tomm u hordeboi?

[dire spoke]

you raped some lamb for these procs did ya

[shrewd oriole]

ye Im horde boi

[shrewd night]

10/10 would tank for you

[shrewd oriole]

did u log that zemp?

[dire spoke]

I'm streaming 😄

NO BULLY

Tom suddenly jumped from #10 to #1 kappa

[shrewd oriole]

classic Pb on memexcute

then people still ask why shoulders bracers is bis

LUL

that legit may be r1

[keen inlet]

good morning you princes of ponce
you kings of Kingsbane toxicity

[dire spoke]

ohayoo don

[shrewd night]

Don't need to be a king to be toxic

[viscid helm]

Heroic logs

[shrewd night]

H E R I C

[keen inlet]

Yes don't come in sin linking heroic logs

if you don't raid mythic your logs are pointless

obviously

/s

[shrewd night]

Everything is pointless

[keen inlet]

Well

[shrewd night]

Progress is over

[keen inlet]

that may or may not be true

but it's certainly pessimistic

[lone junco]

R1 is like 2.8m i thought.

[keen inlet]

everything is pointless

[shrewd night]

Everything after top3 is irrelevant

[lone junco]

Top 3 is even worse.

[dire spoke]

so this is pull ten

I see

[shrewd oriole]

tank went to 3 fps

: (

his pc is so shit

every week

x

[dire spoke]

ahahah

[shrewd night]

Stop raiding while I'm at work or I'd fix that for you

[jovial kite]

@keen inlet you turned into a nihilist overnight? 🤔

or always been 🤔

[keen inlet]

nah Shinny just made me one

[shrewd night]

Shinny

[dire spoke]

go damn

I tried to be smart

but it didn't work

[shrewd oriole]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7h91ncqRYrvbmXxM/#fight=last&view=rankings

I'm on fire today

[dire spoke]

I was holding back CDs :C

[viscid helm]

You know, if you played like this maybe argus would be dead

[shrewd oriole]

😦

[quick talon]

5 Warlocks

what is this desperation

[shrewd oriole]

all guildies lul

5 locks I'm still top get fucked

[stark heart]

@viscid helm who bit you?

[keen inlet]

@stark heart

[quick talon]

Dude

that 10m peak at the end

stacked dogs sub 30% PB

holy

[dire spoke]

Tom's basically cheating

[shrewd oriole]

yep

[viscid helm]

You are disgusting Tom

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

[stark heart]

@keen inlet

[viscid helm]

[keen inlet]

god tier bnet avatar btw

[crystal fox]

something tells me i've seen ian with the same facial expression

[keen inlet]

oh man that is screaming for a "looks like" meme right

like the ones that match your photo to a celebrity

[dire spoke]

not my day today

[crystal fox]

960 crit versa gloves in the box this morning,my day ruined

[dire spoke]

haste versa legs

[spare cloud]

rip

[crystal fox]

i feel like starting raiding mythic again,but on my rogue, decions...

i do enjoy free time tho 🤷

[shrewd oriole]

solid choice for M

[dire spoke]

ignore mechanics, tunnel boss

[crystal fox]

i did 7/11 with 9/11 xp on my spriest, but it was 4 days a week, gave up on my priest and started playing my rogue,now its better geared than my priest and rocking the dps

[patent delta]

raidbots is telling me that helm/bracers outperforms shoulders/bracers for me by 1.9%. Whats confusing is herodamage sims show that it is a 5.8% dps loss compared to mantle bracers. Is this just due to my character specific stats? It is hard to believe mantle/bracers wouldnt be best

[crystal fox]

yes

all about your off items

[patent delta]

interesting, so just follow raidbots advice i suppose

[crystal fox]

bracers is the only "bis" item,second one is up to your offset items

[patent delta]

thx for the help 😃

[dire spoke]

Tom is bullying me

[shrewd oriole]

that was almost a good PK log

[dire spoke]

just to feel better about himself

[spark pond]

Fun fact: I've got 14 leggos so far, the only one missing is the Sub bis Gloves lol...thank god I changed to Sin

btw, nice logs Tom

[shrewd night]

Don't encourage him

[spark pond]

I finally decided to change guilds. Mine is still 1/11M with a lot of new trial members and wiping a lot in heroic

got invites from 3 guilds 6/11M, lets go

[shrewd oriole]

gratz dude

wish u luck

@dire spoke u can beat me on this one

[zealous dew]

yeah but change color

[shrewd oriole]

I'm gonna go finish my tune steak

[spark pond]

Did 2,3M in H Garothi yesterday, 98% with my ilvl, I'm so glad lol

[zealous dew]

Ion is helping you "tuning" your steak ?

[spark pond]

yeah, I tried, but the bot didnt worked lol

[shrewd night]

Inb4 eonar

Hahaa

[shrewd oriole]

ofc

[zealous dew]

i did 1.98 lfr garothi today, feels good

[spark pond]

thats awesome

[zealous dew]

yep, new to rogue here

[spark pond]

I didt a run in LFR last week just to make logs haha, got 11/11 96-99%

it's a pleasure to see all orange numbers

now omw to heroic oranges

[solid field]

You're gonna wake up the elite... shhh

[spark pond]

shhh

lets go back to the silly questions

[zealous dew]

do you use tb on cd ?

[solid field]

ofc

[spark pond]

ya

[zealous dew]

g00d

[spark pond]

was using TB + KB, but its a waste of cd

keep them up whenever you can

[zealous dew]

I will thx

[shrewd oriole]

@solid field I'm always awake

[dire spoke]

exceept on eonar

[spark pond]

Still going as sub on eonar

[shrewd oriole]

I went make a smoothie dude

[spark pond]

what way should I go, to get the best of the burst? Mid > Bot > Top > Mid...? after the 4 initial waves, I don't know where to go to get the most of the adds...usually I just get the big one after that and lose some dps

[zealous dew]

you can go lock

[keen inlet]

@lone junco i got 100 ilvl 99 parse on reg Eonar as sin I guess all rogues go sub or something for it

stand at spawn
spam fok
big guy comes up unload on him
100

[spark pond]

Don, did you use UM + KJ lego trinket as Sin in that fight?

I saw some people using it, but I dont know

[zealous dew]

padders

[keen inlet]

no

lol

literally don't do anything special

[zealous dew]

do your job and ST stuff

[keen inlet]

bracers mantle

stat stick and fangs trink

so like, not even 'optimized' for it

[spark pond]

got it

[shrewd oriole]

1% Pb on imonar fuck me

: (

[keen inlet]

[spark pond]

Don, can you change my colour to green? Bot is broken 😦

[keen inlet]

welcome

me brudda

[spark pond]

yah, thanks!

[keen inlet]

[solid field]

Care to make me green as well? I've been trying to get the bot to do it for about a week or longer now.

[crystal fox]

man i love sin opener with shoulders, every time i join a group for argus rares and go nuts someone always go like "wtf dude wtf was that"

[lyric monolith]

hi all, finaly killed Argus,god damn that was lot s of pulls

[crystal fox]

normal?

[lyric monolith]

Mythic

[shrewd oriole]

lfr mate

[viscid helm]

gratz

better than Tom

[crystal fox]

arent we all?

[keen inlet]

@Bodock#2953 while you're offline/invis

we can't role you

[shrewd oriole]

fucking flowi 😦

toxic mod

[keen inlet]

that's prolly why bot/mods couldn't

[night vale]

@jovial kite Thanks man, sorry just read all your tips now, cheers for taking the time

[crystal fox]

bg weekend, time to get that prestige 2 weaps

[misty tusk]

Quick question that alot of people probably ask, is it worth using 1 x Mutilate even @ 4 CP when i'm about to refresh rupture?

[viscid helm]

no

[keen inlet]

No.

[viscid helm]

ideally not even garrote unless its dropping off just now

[jovial kite]

@night vale np man.. but sorry i tagged you so many times, but i figured you might not be around and my text would've been buried within memes ^-^

glad to help

[dire spoke]

WHAT IS THIS

): I was doing well

[solid field]

did tom ddos you

[shrewd oriole]

nah

someone didnt move

was a good pull

[night vale]

question about mythic imonar, never done it before, my raid leader said i will be going on bridge with tank and clearing way for everyone? do i just cloak and run over mines? anything i should abvoid or what?

[dire spoke]

I was right on Tom's ass

[warm parcel]

avoid doing the clear

and leave it for tanks

[viscid helm]

you're gonna have a bad time if you are CoS'ing and running over the mines

[night vale]

what am i supposed to be doing, he seems adamant that i should be clearing the way with the tanks

[viscid helm]

you shouldnt

[patent delta]

So with regards to MAss nethercrucible talent points, I see on herodamage (https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/relics/1t-t20-rogue-assassination) that 1 and 3 are simmed. Is 2 in there just infinitesimally small? Sorry if this is a stupid question

[viscid helm]

literally no point having rogue do it

unless you plan to kill that rogue

[night vale]

hmmm, well i dont know at all cause never done it, im on trial so should i just tell him no? i guess cloak doesnt help me, he seems to think it will

[viscid helm]

you get debuffs through cloak

those debuffs are going to kill you

[night vale]

okay ill let him know if he doesnt already! cheers guys

[rapid mirage]

Hey i like you guys, keep being you and never change!

[strange python]

Cloak is magic damage not physical

So yeah, your RL is a jerk lol

[patent delta]

Disregard my question, I determined not seeing 2 was not due to colorblindness and it lining up with the X axis lines 😃

[night vale]

thought so, new guild though and on trial, so i guessed he was just happy for me to die :p

[strange python]

@patent delta same here.coven is a bitch for me😂

[dire spoke]

Naya 👀

[patent delta]

@strange python no joke, or maiden before they changed the balls -.-

[strange python]

Hahahahahahha sobs

[patent delta]

The sim charts can be frustrating too when they dont show the table data anywhere

[strange python]

Yeah :(

[patent delta]

us handicapped players need to unite

[strange python]

We can make tshirts

[patent delta]

make it say "eat a dick" in colorblind dot test but just so we can't read it

perfect

[strange python]

Hahahahahhahaha

[dreamy plover]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[dire spoke]

ahahah

[night vale]

Just spoke to my RL abotu him telling me to cloak the bridge on imonar and pop stuff. Told him the mines were physical and he said "You only pop the magic ones as far as you can go". Never done it before so are there other traps i can pop with cloak?

[zealous dew]

mines are magical but you still get debuff

stasis trap are phys and stun you

so no clearino

or rip rogue

[night vale]

i thought stasis traps were magical http://www.wowdb.com/spells/247641-stasis-trap

[zealous dew]

ups my bad 😃

[warm parcel]

theyre

[zealous dew]

never took one

[warm parcel]

but cos doesnt help with stun

[night vale]

and http://www.wowdb.com/spells/247376-pulse-grenade are physical

[zealous dew]

nature is nature

not phys

that's not the trap though

[night vale]

im so confused guys, im so gonna die tonight xD

[zealous dew]

unless has the same name

no clue, anyway don't soak anything

let tonk do stuff

[viscid helm]

okay tldr

mines are physical

gonna leave a stacking debuff

u gonna die

stasis are magical

however the stun goes through cloak

so useless, you wont have enough dispells anyway

so its better to just use 2 tanks

not even gonna have enough insta dispells for them

i dont know what else to tell you're rl

[night vale]

Thanks Flowi. I'll say that to my RL and see what he says

[jovial kite]

actually for a second thought that there would be alac > bleedpoison

after the tldr

[viscid helm]

well thats obvious

[fathom wyvern]

This is perfect for me since my guild just got 5/11 last night and I was scared they were gonna have me do some bridge stuff

[viscid helm]

apparently imonar bridge was not

you can also use wlock gateway on the bridge to trigger multiple stasis traps, however, if you hit the knockback mines in the gateway, you gonna fly to africa

[dire spoke]

when autism is higher than pb proccs and you die on aggramar

[spark pond]

the only thing I usually pop in bridge is the fire line

pop cloak and go trough the lines at start

[viscid helm]

i mean what good is that?

it deals raid dmg

[spark pond]

but usually it explodes and hit nearby members, so...

[viscid helm]

what

[spark pond]

hit only nearby

[viscid helm]

the lines deal dmg to everyone, no matter how far

people are

[shrewd oriole]

that was such a garbage pull for me

[spark pond]

really? because I'm pretty sure it only hits a few yds

[viscid helm]

no

[spark pond]

(normal/heroic, not talking about mythic to me)

[keen inlet]

setting off mines with warlock portal

http://i.imgur.com/n2KkDgW.gif

[viscid helm]

http://puu.sh/zsBbj/dbf89faf6f.png

[spark pond]

well them, that explain a lot to me e.e

[viscid helm]

no change on any difficulty

[spark pond]

well, I used to use at the start only, when always 2 line appears at the entrance...but since everyone stay nearby, I avoid using that...now, knowing that it hits no matter how far, theres no point using it again haha

[jovial kite]

is that notter flying jose ? 🤔

[keen inlet]

Notter's a bunny, not a hamster

[jovial kite]

i thought it was an elaborate ruse since all you sb's call him hamster 🤔

so i thought this meme had depth

apparently it fell flat in space

[manic vigil]

Is the little thing okay

Looked like it's probably ded

[fathom wyvern]

Nah he’s chillin with musk’s spaceman now

[dire spoke]

fuck tom

almost wiped

[manic vigil]

Why would you post that don... now I'm sad

[keen inlet]

he's fine

all hamsters are aliens

[manic vigil]

You are raiding now? What is this

[keen inlet]

they can survive the cold vacuum of space

[manic vigil]

I hope so

[jovial kite]

the hamster most likely died before it broke through the roof

[hoary copper]

They're in a vacuum all right ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[manic vigil]

Pretty sure it just broke its bones wherever it landed

And died probably in horrible pain

[dire spoke]

what a shitty intermission ;__;

[manic vigil]

But nice video stupid woman

[jovial kite]

legit thought out loud ''what the fuck was she thinking''

every time i see the gif

[stiff ridge]

@viscid helm Is the whole Alac > TB thing a meme, or is this actually the talent choice now?

[viscid helm]

its not a meme

[stiff ridge]

Hmmm, whats the reasoning behind it?

[viscid helm]

its a great talent

[autumn trench]

🤔

[viscid helm]

rn all 3 talents are pretty much equal

Alacrity APL is poop

it makes the gameplay extremely smooth with additional energy from the haste itself and from 100% 2pc uptime

[shrewd oriole]

meh

no good loot from heroic

[stiff ridge]

Hmmm I'll give it a go tonight

[dire spoke]

never aggra head

[manic vigil]

You are really raiding right now

[shrewd oriole]

yeah quick HC run ahaha

[manic vigil]

Ah okay

[dire spoke]

I did shit

[shrewd oriole]

rip

[dire spoke]

should have ate something first

):

[shrewd oriole]

I didnt get good logs on the upper quartile of the raid

[manic vigil]

You keep saying no one cares about hc so

[dire spoke]

my belly empty

[shrewd oriole]

heroic logs dont matter they're just fun

[dire spoke]

Tom only invited me to feel better about himself

[shrewd oriole]

nah

[dire spoke]

ahahah

[shrewd oriole]

ahaha

[manic vigil]

Rude

[shrewd oriole]

I invited you for a free boost

Kappa

[dire spoke]

I got nothing but bad logs

8D

[shrewd oriole]

I got a good garothi and hounds log but thats it 😦

2.54M as assa not even top 100 on garothi what a fun fight to parse on haHAA

[dire spoke]

can you /w me logs

[shrewd oriole]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7h91ncqRYrvbmXxM/

here's everything but garothi

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XMaPYNzxRcG2rVHf#fight=1&type=damage-done

here's garothi

[dire spoke]

I hate playing around hc timers when ur overgeared

[solar pendant]

which Legendaries & Trinkets do you switch to for m+ trash?

[hoary copper]

This is the week I get my aotc, I can feel it!

[shrewd oriole]

bracers shoulders for everything

[solar pendant]

and trinkets?

[shrewd oriole]

dogs + stat stick

mastery obv

the one from maiden is dope

anything with obscene mastery really

[hoary copper]

I wish I had a high ilvl glaives, I loved that trinket for aoe

[desert vault]

How much energy should we have before casting Vanish, using shoulders, in order to get enough envenoms off?

[shrewd oriole]

that trinket is meh for aoe as assa

[solid field]

Tom, any reason you envenom before vanish? I'm trying to learn the senpai ways of systoms.

[shrewd oriole]

it's wrong

[hoary copper]

Oh hey Bodock is green now

[dire spoke]

lol

[shrewd oriole]

it's

[solid field]

yea, iWin can quit calling me a whitey

[shrewd oriole]

absolutely wrong

but

I'm a spastic

: )

[hoary copper]

Sounds racist

[shrewd oriole]

yeah cuz

assa things matter so little

LUL

logging high oranges is just PBs

[solid field]

True

[dire spoke]

don't learn from Tom, he also SoD after DfA

[solid field]

and ilvl

[shrewd oriole]

those are lies spread by the

liberal media

[dire spoke]

[shrewd oriole]

FAKE NEWS.

[gaunt moat]

maybe it's fake fake news

[quick talon]

i always do the first stasis mines because it doesnt really matter if i get stunned

[desert vault]

I'm not having fun on mythic Imonar, at all

[dire spoke]

anyways thanks for the run Tom

[gaunt moat]

@desert vault that made me leave my guild :x

[quick talon]

I love imonar

[desert vault]

hehe

[quick talon]

notter are u still raiding

[shrewd oriole]

np zempai

[quick talon]

or did u just end

[gaunt moat]

tom, you talked to divine btw?

[desert vault]

We are getting into p3 every pull, but still ...

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole #1 i love the evasion open. prob got punched in the face
#2 whats with the env vanish mut

is that first env in the first shoulder still?

[warm parcel]

nop

[lone junco]

effective 2 crit env there.

out of 5.

[shrewd oriole]

nah

clear fuck up

[lone junco]

good bombs still work though

[shrewd oriole]

@gaunt moat i just told him what you said on our m+ channel ahaha he laughed

http://prntscr.com/ihv1b7

[desert vault]

I just can't parse with Sin anymore, been struggling big time.

[gaunt moat]

@shrewd oriole are you an idiot X_X

wtf

[quick talon]

Oh ashine in there

[lone junco]

wanna parse, gotta get some bomb

[keen inlet]

Notter

[shrewd oriole]

check latest pin elinkar, that's how to sim as rogue

@gaunt moat whaa was I not meant to tell him ahaha

you said good about him why would he not want to hear it

[hoary copper]

I can't even read that

[gaunt moat]

i only asked you tell him i left ethic

[shrewd oriole]

he liked the compliment :p

[gaunt moat]

how was that a compliment when i said he didn't give a fuck

[shrewd oriole]

tom the snitch

cuz he knows it's true LOL

he appreciated the comment on his RL

[shrewd night]

Wew

Notter never getting into a guild again

[shrewd oriole]

: ( dont be mad notter 💔