assassination

[civic palm]

:3

[molten flicker]

like I'm benched for coven and aggra cuz I don't need shit there basically

but it just feels bad not to have 11/11

[shrewd oriole]

Coven gloves / aggra helm ?

[molten flicker]

sure, gloves if titanforged

[shrewd oriole]

I only do aggra for helm

[molten flicker]

and helm yes

but others need more stuff

[shrewd oriole]

Do you run 2p 4p or 4p

[molten flicker]

4p

[shrewd oriole]

What’s your off piece

[potent lintel]

Any tips on how to maximize dps on DOGS? I cant seem to get over the 1.9mil dps

[molten flicker]

980 haste boots

[shrewd oriole]

Gloves are bis off piece for no haste

[molten flicker]

and 970 haste helm

[shrewd oriole]

@potent lintel stack them

[steep obsidian]

tank them together and get poison bombs

[shrewd oriole]

Jesus Christ that’s rage inducing lord

[slim siren]

is their a spec that needs haste gear?

[molten flicker]

yes, outlaw

[shrewd oriole]

Outlaw

[potent lintel]

i keep dotting rupture and garrote on both

[molten flicker]

:d

that's my only socket too

[slim siren]

outlaws states are crit haste right? and its the best aoe spec?

[molten flicker]

nah

all 3 specs are good at aoe

[slim siren]

oh ok so its useless changing to outlaw

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[molten flicker]

I got those boots in my cache like 2 months ago

and I haven't seen any other boots at all

since

[shrewd oriole]

Rip

[strange python]

u should propably keep arround 50% mastery

[shrewd oriole]

I have 965 eonar boots

[strange python]

some crit and

push haste versa

as outlul

ive never seen that boots on eonar

-.-

[shrewd oriole]

I haven’t seen the ring

From kg

😦 still wearing a 945 lmao

[strange python]

970 😮

ring

[molten flicker]

haste has a big breakpoint for outlaw though

I think

[strange python]

i wanna push some mastery on my gear .. so i need those boots from eonar .. sitting on some 955 1k crit and 4xx mastery 😮

[molten flicker]

980 kingaroth ring with socket dropped from hc the week before mythic

our mm hunter gm took it

he does 1.3m dps

[urban storm]

😦

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

[molten flicker]

I finally got 960 version from bonus roll this past reset

[turbid harbor]

giving to mm hunter is probably the best decision at that point though?

[molten flicker]

:d

[turbid harbor]

considering rogues were sub at that point?

[shrewd oriole]

True

[molten flicker]

I was assa since tomb

[shrewd oriole]

Assa in tomb

You didn’t deserve that ring

[turbid harbor]

😄

[molten flicker]

tried sub for 3 weeks in middle prog around sisters-host

but didn't do more dmg than assa

so went back

[strange python]

i am all three specs, i am shizo

?

[shrewd oriole]

Sounds like a player skill issue

Ahaha

[turbid harbor]

i wish i was better at sub before the nerf

i wish everybody was

[celest mirage]

2 targets mut or fok???

[shrewd oriole]

Sub was overtuned af

[turbid harbor]

because it was so disgustingly broken

before mantle and bracer nerf

[molten flicker]

I mean I performed like the top ranking sub players

[shrewd oriole]

Ye

[molten flicker]

in assa

[turbid harbor]

that it would've been hilarious

but it got nerfed just as people started playing well

[shrewd oriole]

Basically ye

[turbid harbor]

saying you performed as well as sub in tos while playing sin is a nice meme though

[strange python]

sub fun will come back with bfa and findweakness

[shrewd oriole]

Gross exaggeration at best

[molten flicker]

xd

[shrewd oriole]

Sub looks garbage on alpha

[slim siren]

man that number one parse on command will be impossible to beat lol

[shrewd oriole]

So nice meme tiri

[strange python]

complete bfa looks garbage

[shrewd oriole]

Uh?

Idk the zones look great

[turbid harbor]

i look forward to being a speedy sin rogue

[shrewd oriole]

Dunno how you can say that

Same

Outlaw and sub are so bad on alpha holy moly it’s actually so depressing

[supple hearth]

The neck piece boons are going to have to be neat to fill the artifact weapon void I think

[shrewd oriole]

I had to stop playing

[strange python]

i have no alpha mate

[turbid harbor]

they have enough time to make sub feel less disgusting

hopefully they will

[shrewd oriole]

Problem giggle is

[steep obsidian]

why are they so bad? removal of artifact abilities?

[shrewd oriole]

The blade flurry change feels so bad

[turbid harbor]

no goremaw no energetic stabbing

[shrewd oriole]

Lemme tldr ir for you

Sub is so starved

More starved than an African child

sorry auto correct

[strange python]

giev sub snd back

[slim siren]

wait blade fury is worse then it is now XD

[supple hearth]

Rogue was starved in legion too

[turbid harbor]

vigor probably not that bad though without finality

[shrewd oriole]

Outlaw is actually worse

[supple hearth]

Leveling at the start

[strange python]

i wanna play old sub

[steep obsidian]

rogues are always starved until you get gear

[shrewd oriole]

New blade flurry feels so shit

[supple hearth]

^

[steep obsidian]

then its spam buttoans every gcd

[shrewd oriole]

Nah not this bad dude trust me

[supple hearth]

I'm not surprised it's clunky/slow/not good pre 120

[shrewd oriole]

I played legion alpha

[turbid harbor]

how do rogues feel less starved when you gear them?

[shrewd oriole]

Wod beta

[turbid harbor]

if anything you reduce haste

[slim siren]

'just got kiljadens. is that beter then insgnia

[steep obsidian]

crit?

[shrewd oriole]

Mop beta

We are talking about sub

[molten flicker]

might be @slim siren (sim it)

[shrewd oriole]

Sub doesn’t get better with crit

[slim siren]

dont have sims sadly

[steep obsidian]

oh

[molten flicker]

raidbots.com

[turbid harbor]

if you're strictly talking sin with t21 then fine

but yea

[shrewd oriole]

Dunno

[slim siren]

ill do it after raid then

[shrewd oriole]

I dislike the blade flurry nerf and the lack of changes to outlaw

[turbid harbor]

yea idk what that blade flurry change is

maybe they're making it feel so horrible

[shrewd oriole]

I dislike the lack of changes to level 100 talents

[turbid harbor]

that they have to rework it

[slim siren]

blade furys already terrible

[shrewd oriole]

Why are we keeping dfa like cmon

Take that shit out

[steep obsidian]

i loathe dfa personally but some people love it

no problem with keeping it as long as its not mandatory

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t know one person who likes dfa

[safe matrix]

I like dfa

[shrewd oriole]

Die

[steep obsidian]

i do but its only for the big hits generally

[shrewd oriole]

There, no one

[safe matrix]

Well I like the playstyle it made

[slim siren]

i love DFA if it was more viable

[turbid harbor]

i like it in dungeons in aoe

[shrewd oriole]

Dfa is so aids to play in raids

[turbid harbor]

but being forced to use it on patchwerk

is aids

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah in dungs it’s fine

[molten flicker]

I love dfa when it sends me under the ground

[fervent beacon]

Dfa should be baseline for subltey

[shrewd oriole]

In raids it’s so aids

No

[steep obsidian]

dfa on kingaroth lul

[shrewd oriole]

Dfa shouldn’t exist

Stop creating movement abilities

If you can’t code them

Was the same shit with KS

[turbid harbor]

or get rid of the loss of control on it

[fervent beacon]

Your face shouldn't exist

[turbid harbor]

that would be cool

[molten flicker]

take killing spree out

[slim siren]

its one of my favorite looking rouge abiltys and i was so happy it was made but then it sucked dmg wise

[fervent beacon]

But here we are.

[turbid harbor]

heard rumours that was happening

[molten flicker]

put dfa in

[shrewd oriole]

Agreed zolbar

[steep obsidian]

they had killing spree as kill me spree in game forever and mandatory for combat

[shrewd oriole]

Ks in wod was cancer

[slim siren]

no ks was the best combat ability

[fervent beacon]

combat

[molten flicker]

yes, very good for killing yourself

[shrewd oriole]

so many bosses that I had to cloak to use ks

[molten flicker]

just like dfa is now

[slim siren]

and fun as hell for pvp

[fervent beacon]

FOKIN m8, it's Outlaw

[steep obsidian]

but at least you could cancelaura ks if you pressed it at a bad time

[slim siren]

it was combat when ks was good

[shrewd oriole]

^

Red buff KS on thogar adds

😃

[turbid harbor]

the cloak on the way down from dfa as well as dance is an all time classic

[molten flicker]

ks sindragosa before she landed > fall off platform

🤔

[shrewd oriole]

Like I sais

Blizzard can’t code movement abilities

[slim siren]

they suck at making smart movment abilitys

[molten flicker]

blink btw

kappa

[slim siren]

although the new shadow step is nice

[steep obsidian]

i wonder if they could make it so you could steer a little bit mid air or something

[supple hearth]

Killing spree was fun

[steep obsidian]

working diff on every boss is dumb

[supple hearth]

When it was good

[shrewd oriole]

@lone junco

I just wish dfa always landed you right in front of you

[molten flicker]

that could still kill ya

and you'd get parried 95% of the time

[supple hearth]

Dfa is nice as a gap closer when u want it to be

Most of the time it's tedious

[molten flicker]

I think it's cool in theory, just as killing spree

[turbid harbor]

if you use it as a gap closer you lose the aoe damage component

[molten flicker]

it just doesn't translate into the game

[supple hearth]

But like....the snake dude in EoA....when he ports away and u just dfa to his next spot while everyone else has to run to him hehehe

[shrewd oriole]

ignoring the heads

mentioning eoa as an example of dfa being cool

[molten flicker]

dfa on helya in mos

land under ship

[shrewd oriole]

Literally the worst boss for dfa is the final boss of eoa

[supple hearth]

Nah

Just shadowstep to the tank or position yourself not to go inside

Curator is the worst boss

For dfa

By far

[shrewd oriole]

Up there as well

[supple hearth]

Dfa on EoA last boss prob won't kill u. Dfa on curator into fire will likely kill u

[flint fable]

just back up before you DFA

[steep obsidian]

yeah that works same as on aggramar

its still stupid though

[copper vigil]

Mythic aggramar progression, should i use wrists for the adds or boots since we wont be hitting 30% any time soon

[supple hearth]

I never had any issues with dfa in the antorus bosses. I hated dfa on mistress tho

[steep obsidian]

use belt if you only hitting first transition 😛

[copper vigil]

at least adds can go to 30%?

[strange python]

that moment in m+ when u ramp up 500k on bosses 😄

[turbid harbor]

you can just dfa from far away on curator and not get taken into middle

and most of the time you're dfaing sparks outside of evoc anyway

on wrath of azshara there are certain spots around the room where you HAVE to be taken into the middle

idk why but it's just the way it is

[steep obsidian]

🍝 code

[turbid harbor]

from most places around the room yea

but there are 2 areas where you get taken in regardless

that is not correct

[tranquil birch]

Giggle have you tried it on kin'? lol

[lone junco]

Our sub gets a priest grip reserved for when he dfa into the memebeam.

[molten flicker]

just cloak on the way down

[lone junco]

stupid drop spot.

[tranquil birch]

"yo let me make sure this dfa doesn't put me on top of the tanks, oh or soak an orb on the other side of the room, oh yeah, or eat ruiner to the face"

[safe matrix]

It's so convenient for shadowstep dodging runner though

Just shadowstep dfa and make sure you're not being a mongo and doing it into ruined???

[tranquil birch]

Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's not shit game design

[shrewd oriole]

@lone junco did you see where I tagged you on

[lone junco]

No. Was it good?

[shrewd oriole]

Check it yourself ahah

[lone junco]

Hahaha

[shrewd oriole]

Link it to your lock

[vapid moth]

1000 ilvl trinket

todays the day boys

[void pecan]

So you can do 1.3 mil on argus again?

🙃

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

[vapid moth]

@shrewd oriole is that an upcoming update?

[shrewd oriole]

Hotfix today ye

[vapid moth]

wtffff

those bloods already costed 1.8k

[shrewd oriole]

Oh idc about that

Was linking for the gateway fix

[vapid moth]

i do. selling potions of reset day made a shit ton of cash

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t think I’ve used bloods in half a year

Tons of gold

Professions

Pick one

LUL

[vapid moth]

the thing is

everyone says that

but no one is willing to explain

[shrewd oriole]

Explain what

[shrewd oriole]

That gif is amazing

[molten flicker]

EXPLAIN

OR DONT SAY THAT

😡

[fervent jewel]

is there a section for posting logs?

[molten flicker]

why would you wanna post logs

[fervent jewel]

there is always room for improvement

(:

[molten flicker]

meaning you want someone to critique you?

[fervent jewel]

exactly

[molten flicker]

then say that

[fervent jewel]

well now you know

^^

so thats a no i guess?

[molten flicker]

people sometimes ask here

but idk how much response there is

[fervent jewel]

k

ty

[molten flicker]

you won't get banned for posting a log here

xd

[quick ice]

Generally, if you post a log, someone eventually gets around to looking through it

[fervent jewel]

well i want to make sure that this "someone" actually knows what he talks about

meaning no offense ofc

[molten flicker]

there's no guarantee for that

😄

[fervent jewel]

😄

[safe matrix]

I mean also it depends on how you are too

If you're getting orange parses and want to improve yeah you should see certain people

But if you're just getting blue parses most people should be able to help you out

[molten flicker]

what if you wanna go for rank 1s but all rank 1s are using dp bug so you can't reach them

[shrewd oriole]

Most r1s aren’t using dp but

Bug*

[molten flicker]

since when

[shrewd oriole]

They just feature insane bomb

Look at dates on wcl

Plus I’m sure the proper ns bugged logs were removed

[fervent jewel]

nah they dont

i actually compared the best assa rogue on coven with boots bracers

[hollow pier]

Use Toxic Blade either the last 8 seconds of Kingsbane duration or on cooldown. Do not delay your Toxic Blade more than 5 seconds waiting for Kingsbane. If Vendetta is coming up you can delay as well.

Should I always be doing this? because if so I've been fucking up

[safe matrix]

👀

[molten flicker]

when would you not

[hollow pier]

Like, should always be using it on cooldown? Because I've always been waiting for last 8 seconds

[shrewd oriole]

When you’re misplaying

[molten flicker]

that's what it says

right?

[hollow pier]

Fuck me

[fervent jewel]

he actually had the same dmg distribution like me

[shrewd oriole]

Use it on cooldown if you gotta delay it more than 5

[molten flicker]

I mean it does say

use it at last 8 seconds

or

on cooldown

[shrewd oriole]

@fervent jewel yeah like I said bugged logs are gone

[fervent jewel]

ye ik

[shrewd oriole]

Parsing high as assa is still mostly luck

[fervent jewel]

thats why i want someone to check my log

ye he has higher pb dmg but still

i dont think it makes like 200k+ overall

[molten flicker]

I've been using tb on cd

and I've been doing all right

[fervent jewel]

if he has 1-2% more pb dmg

idk

[molten flicker]

I think I'd still be all right if I used it for kb

[shrewd oriole]

On coven M or?

[safe matrix]

Honestly just go to vari fight or some shit and do a compare on wcl

[shrewd oriole]

Boss positioning is huge on coven

[safe matrix]

Patchwork fights are the easiest places to see difference

[fervent jewel]

ye mythic

ye i could have more cleave uptime

for sure

it was our first kill aswell

but idk i just think i can still improve if i compare logs with different assa rogues

[shrewd oriole]

Assa os not a great fight t compare

Logging on that is mostly tank

Look at stuff like aggra, kin

[fervent jewel]

we're still progressing aggra

and ye i checked enough logs for kin

[shrewd oriole]

Coven* is not a great fight to compared

I’m tired

[fervent jewel]

😄

ye you might be right

[void pecan]

vari though.

[fervent jewel]

ty though

i appreciate your help guys

ye we couldnt log vari last time

warcraftlogs was down idk

[molten flicker]

can post logs after a week if u wish

[fervent jewel]

i guess its fine by now

its not like i am super worried about my logs

they're kinda fine

[void pecan]

https://www.tenor.co/qSsO.gif

[lone junco]

@prime void whew.

nailed that gorathi. like 100k over my sim

[vapid moth]

4.2% PB damage on fucking high command what the actual fuck

it should be like 10% that fight minimum

[indigo cradle]

Easy to get high parsers with 95x ilvl

[molten flicker]

what if 97x ilvl

[indigo cradle]

The good players are on high ilvl

[tranquil birch]

Why is sub doing better on Aggramar

[manic vigil]

"the good players are on high ilvl"

interesting

[molten flicker]

its true though

[manic vigil]

it doesn't make sense

[molten flicker]

there's a reason I show as 984 in dungeon finder

[manic vigil]

what if a good player doesn't do mythic?

[turbid oxide]

good players tend to do harder content and get better gear

[molten flicker]

<- best player

[turbid oxide]

it doesn't mean all players who do lesser content or have worse gear are bad

[manic vigil]

there we go

that's all I'm saying

[turbid oxide]

it just means if a player has good gear they have a higher chance of being good compared to someone 10 ilevels lower

[manic vigil]

pretty sure noob is better than quite some people in here

[fast nacelle]

every rogue on ravenholdt could play at least top 20 if he wouldnt bang fangirls all day on his yacht in ibiza
we already know that

[manic vigil]

tbh

[steep obsidian]

same

[manic vigil]

tyra

[hollow pier]

Should I be casting garrote on cooldown or saving it for just before it wears off? And when should I rupture refresh, at 5 combo points before it runs out?

[quick ice]

@fast nacelle Ibiza is overrated.

[tranquil birch]

I have a friend who's getting orange ilvl parses on his shaman at 950 and he barely knows how to play it

[molten flicker]

ilvl parse at 950

[tranquil birch]

it doesn't mean shit, you're comparing yourself against a lot of really bad players

[steep obsidian]

it pandemics co you can use it on cd cept for the ones you cast from stealth don't overwite those ones

[quick ice]

@hollow pier pandamic range 😃

[steep obsidian]

well that assuming no 2p t20

[molten flicker]

u should be casting garrote on <30%

and refresh rupture at <30%

good luck

[fast nacelle]

you dont always refresh rupture at <30%

there are some scenarios where u prefer other stuff like envenom

[manic vigil]

still means something, right. I mean these below me have similar ilvls, so 🤷

[fast nacelle]

at least in my strong feelycraft.. idc about pademic when u can get one more envenom into TB

[molten flicker]

ofc, you're right tyra

[manic vigil]

at least I'm the one-eyed king of the blind 💪

[molten flicker]

pandemic is null

[fast nacelle]

same for KB

i pref another envenom b4 last tick

[molten flicker]

it's just a buffer

[fast nacelle]

ye

i d even cast vendetta envenom and then have 2-3s without rupture

and recast it then

idk... pademic isnt that important overall

especially if you play with MP and mastery setup

[molten flicker]

unless you refresh above pandmic

or refresh after it runs out

[fast nacelle]

refreshing above pademic is fine too sometimes

[molten flicker]

if you know what you are doing, yes

[fast nacelle]

when you got so much cp gen and u want to get your KB but dont want to overcap energy

so you cast rup a bit earlier so u dont need to recast it during KB

with t21 it got a bit more spammy anyway

especially in high end gear

so you just keep casting

[gaunt moat]

i wonder how the "regression" will feel going into BFA in terms of energy.
at least the cheaper garrotes will help

and probably the haste

[tranquil birch]

well if haste is buffing bleed tick rate

should compensate a lot

[molten flicker]

well haste doesn't give a lot of energy

in the first place

unless u have tons of it

[fast nacelle]

cant imagine haste will have any value

[tranquil birch]

crit builds finishers tho

[fast nacelle]

even if its not bad the other stats are just better

[steep obsidian]

haste actually sim higher then agi for me rn

[fast nacelle]

but we'll see

[gaunt moat]

well, faster tick rates = faster energy regen from venomous wounds

slightly at least

[molten flicker]

haste is higher than agi for me too

[fast nacelle]

tell me smth that isnt higher than agi

if we had strenght aswell it would prob be higher too

[steep obsidian]

we spriests now

[molten flicker]

amanthul still useless tho

xd

[fast nacelle]

idk... i still think GO is overvalued in sims

[steep obsidian]

thats good

[outer sand]

One quick question, does boots reduce cd of Vendetta out of combat if I just spam FoN?

[steep obsidian]

because i might be salty i dont have it if it was acutally good

yes

[void pecan]

spam feint

[steep obsidian]

or feint

[molten flicker]

feint doesn't reduce afaik

[gaunt moat]

feint does not reduce the CD with boots

[fast nacelle]

idk if they fixed feint

[steep obsidian]

really?

[gaunt moat]

they didn't "fix" it never did

[molten flicker]

fake news people

[fast nacelle]

yeah it never did but should do , no?

[steep obsidian]

that sounds like a bug

more then a feature

[molten flicker]

maybe it should

who knows

[gaunt moat]

it is a bug. they didn't whitelist feint as a spell that works with boots.
but at this point i wouldn't hold my breath for it to change

FoK does reduce it though

[molten flicker]

I miss PK

[red prawn]

!legendaries

[supple hearth]

its just a second thats reduced for every 65 energy. feint costs energy. dont see why it wouldnt reduce the cd of vendetta

[red prawn]

!leggos

lol

[fast nacelle]

solution: just play with insignia rather than boots

solved

[gaunt moat]

@supple hearth for the reason i just mentioned

using crimson vial doesn't reduce it either btw

[molten flicker]

wtf

that precious 30 energy

[manic vigil]

what is this?! two months ago

[red prawn]

what are the preferred leggos to use in asn? I have vigor ring/mantle/crown/insignia

[manic vigil]

super dejavu right now

[molten flicker]

which insignia?

[red prawn]

ravenholdt

[molten flicker]

that and crown are both good

depending on what off pieces u have

[manic vigil]

sim it

[molten flicker]

but mantle is your best legendary

[manic vigil]

I bet it's mantle crown tho

[fast nacelle]

mantle isnt the best lego by default

[manic vigil]

truth

[molten flicker]

really?

[fast nacelle]

2p4p with bracer insig

[molten flicker]

he doesn't have bracer

[manic vigil]

I keep ditching it and that

[fast nacelle]

okay without brazzos its mantle

[manic vigil]

brazzers?

[fast nacelle]

[molten flicker]

I'm hungry but it's too late to make food

[manic vigil]

just have a snack then

too late for food. says who?!

[quick ice]

^

[molten flicker]

well

I cba making it cuz tired

[quick ice]

never really "too late" for food

[molten flicker]

so too late

[quick ice]

I had dessert at 10am today

[manic vigil]

fair enough

then just go to sleep, nerd

😄

[gaunt moat]

@molten flicker same 😢

[molten flicker]

but I'm too hungry for sleep

[manic vigil]

same notter

so addicted to his roguelike games

[molten flicker]

I just did normal as outlaw cuz I have nothing better to do

[gaunt moat]

i got a tubleron... but i'm not sure it's good to eat it so late, heh

[molten flicker]

_<

[manic vigil]

tubleron?! you mean a friggin Toblerone?!

eat that shit

[molten flicker]

maybe I can find a barnarnar

[manic vigil]

[molten flicker]

they don't take very long to prepare

[manic vigil]

that is true

[gaunt moat]

a what?

oh

it's late

[molten flicker]

they are yellow

with a bend

usually

[gaunt moat]

i had bananas today... i wanted to eat them

[manic vigil]

wait what

[gaunt moat]

but they i noticed they were already slightly peeling by themselves so i threw them 😦

they get spoiled so quick 😦

[manic vigil]

ah okay

put them next to apples?

[gaunt moat]

what

[molten flicker]

ye

then the apples can eat them

[manic vigil]

any fruits next to apples have accelerated decay

science!

[gaunt moat]

then why would i do that

[manic vigil]

exactly

some people don't know

[gaunt moat]

they weren't next to apples anyway

[manic vigil]

sounded like they were rotting too fast

wtf would I know I don't eat natural things

[gaunt moat]

yeah i also only eat plastic

[manic vigil]

👌

[molten flicker]

lol apparently bracers/ring is 0.8% behind bracers/shoulders and 0.5% ahead of bracers/boots (and 0.6% ahead of shoulders/boots)

I didn't sim ring as assa for a year

[idle prairie]

Anyone else get a slight dip in brain cells when reading the WoW class forums?

[molten flicker]

I never did

[manic vigil]

^

[molten flicker]

(read them)

[idle prairie]

I only go over the forums to find something to alleviate my boredom for a few mins. Then I regret it. Cycle repeats

[manic vigil]

I bet

[gaunt moat]

b-but... d-discord is toxic..

[void pecan]

Yeah

fucking notter

[manic vigil]

what do those fine people have to complain about lately?

[void pecan]

noob lord

[idle prairie]

"Anyone else find Garrote to be weird for the rotation as Sin?"

Good lord... It's a fucking button

[gaunt moat]

😐 🔫

[manic vigil]

[idle prairie]

"Lore wise, doesn't make sense. Drop ya daggers to choke a dude"

[manic vigil]

don't do it notterinho

[idle prairie]

Notter, snapchat it.

[supple hearth]

was going to say something NSFW in regards to snapchat and Notter but i'll restrain myself

[manic vigil]

boooring

[idle prairie]

obbyyespls

[manic vigil]

[gaunt moat]

lol what an IDIOT

everyone knows

that you wrap the garrote

on your daggers

[supple hearth]

thats what she said

mt

[gaunt moat]

that's why you have two daggers

[supple hearth]

lewd

[gaunt moat]

so you'll have more reach on the garrote

[supple hearth]

more reach...

[manic vigil]

[idle prairie]

Gotta have that reach

To choke a meat popsicle

[supple hearth]

i used to really like the banana flavored posicles

popsicle*

[manic vigil]

okay

[idle prairie]

Strawberry ones were best.

Made it more immersive when you were sucking on a red popsicle and having weird stares from passersby.

Am I too lewd for the mood?

[void pecan]

Yep

[gaunt moat]

Here, i've made a representation of how garrote works in-game

[idle prairie]

Rookies

Quite realistic

[gaunt moat]

it makes a lot more sense to garrote like that

[idle prairie]

Agreed. Class forums are just filled with silly bois

[manic vigil]

[quick ice]

I mean, I feel like we probably only need one tie between our daggers to garrote? not both ends tied?

[gaunt moat]

goodnight :X

[manic vigil]

[jovial kite]

[primal iron]

Been away for like 2-3weeks. Assassin still best rogue spec but middle of the pack?

[supple hearth]

whatever it was 2-3 weeks ago thats still where it is

[primal iron]

Lol figured

[supple hearth]

except those rogues who have been getting gear the past 2-3 weeks are now slightly stronger than they were before 😉

[primal iron]

Didnt know if with more ilvls and our scaling issue if we slipped further behind other classes.

[manic vigil]

Still ded class

[quick ice]

so dead

[prisma wind]

guys

I haven't checked Discord for a few weeks, what'd I miss

Any of those "dank memes" the kids are freaking out about

[quick ice]

so many

[prisma wind]

shit really

Whatever you're doing for the next five minutes cancel it and tell me

[prisma wind]

oh my god

I'm so sorry

[unreal coyote]

wanna hear a neat story too

our affli lock

wasnt wearing execute ring

all night

[prisma wind]

dude I once wiped at 0% on our garrosh kill

OH MY GOD

lol

[unreal coyote]

this one....

i fucking hate him right now

so god damned much

[prisma wind]

"DPS doesn't matter, stop minmaxing and do mechanics"

THAT mentality

like yeah but they aren't mutually exclusive

[grim canopy]

insignia of ravenhold, tis game really doesn' twant me playihg rogue

[prisma wind]

We play DPS, our JOB is to care about the insignificant upgrades and cover the details

[grim canopy]

so ive gotten all except helmet, wrist,boots,shoulder

[vapid moth]

My guild is on heroic and doesn't worry about the tiny shit and I'm sitting here knowing mythic is gonna be a shit show cause of that mentality

Yeah we could focus 2 ads on kingaroth. But why don't we start trying to get all 3 down at the same time for mythic?

[grim canopy]

well back to my afflock, i tried

[prisma wind]

aw lingo

[toxic burrow]

In regards to the Kingaroth thing: Because that takes effort, and effort is too hard these days.

[prisma wind]

that's rough

[vapid moth]

Damn lingo

Let's all pray for him

[prisma wind]

So I haven't raided mythic since I took a break after BRF, but I can't imagine a mythic team gives too much of a shit about heroic

[grim canopy]

and after all that effort it was prolly gonna do lower dps anyways affleck is jesus

[vapid moth]

Like may he get usable 985 loot in his next m+ chest

[prisma wind]

But granted that's an outdated mentality

guys

you think that pic above is bad

SO who remember the FoK/PK bug?

Obviously everyone right

And remember how some of us swapped relics

[vapid moth]

"Some"

[prisma wind]

Yeah I was one of the people saying that was dumb, obviously it will change

[vapid moth]

3/4 of the people who regularly spoke in this chat

[turbid harbor]

but you focus 2 ads first on mythic kingaroth prog

and then meet for the 3rd

[grim canopy]

but i guess on the bright side my 2 weekly leggos gauranteed to be good

[vapid moth]

Ive heard people do it differently

[prisma wind]

Yet somehow I still have this

IT SIMS SO HIGH

WHY

I HATE IT

[vapid moth]

Cause

Shit man I'd use it too

[prisma wind]

I fucked up and swawpped, and two months later

[vapid moth]

Ilvl don't mean shit

[prisma wind]

IT IS STILL THERE

that master of shadows trait dude

it's so huge, it outsims everything

[vapid moth]

Oh nvm fok

[prisma wind]

YUP

there it is

[vapid moth]

I wouldn't use it

[prisma wind]

I mostly do m+

[vapid moth]

But yeah I miss mos

[prisma wind]

I'm 960

with a 915 relic

[vapid moth]

To be fair

m+ doesn't drop good relics

[prisma wind]

yeah in M+ it shines I guess? Like 3% higher than another similar one without MoS

[vapid moth]

There's like 3 dungeons that drop nice relics of the 11

[prisma wind]

yeah

I'm spamming KinGaroth for months lol

still nothin

[lone junco]

@jovial kite came in strong tonight for garothi

[vapid moth]

I'm spamming Pk for the fucking belt

What boss noobe

Oh

[prisma wind]

hahaha

[lone junco]

almost 100k over my sim

[vapid moth]

He edited the garothi in right

Like please tell me I'm not blind

[lone junco]

yeah. i added it

[vapid moth]

Oh good. Cause that was freaky

[prisma wind]

Btw look at my stats. My two shitty relics which happen to have MoS give me great avoidance, but otherwise I'm stuck with a hilariously high amount of vers.

what are your guys' stats, any weird stuff you can't really shake

[vapid moth]

Mos is just too good of a trait

[prisma wind]

now that the xpac is winding down

[safe matrix]

Is that a hilariously high amount of vers?

[lone junco]

im stuck with really low 2p20

[prisma wind]

I wish that vers was crit haha

ahh

[faint tree]

Do you have eoc trinket

[prisma wind]

LOL

after 30 upper kara runs

best I got is a 915

I run fang/panth

30 this year 2018

[faint tree]

Damn. I have same stats but I got eoc

[prisma wind]

I hate under 30 crit man

[faint tree]

The vers life

[prisma wind]

SO MUCH VERS

I HATE VERS AS A CONCEPT

although with the avoidance I take less damage haha

[faint tree]

Lol

[quick ice]

@unreal coyote weirdly I think that log got linked in my guild discord too? did your pally not 2nd pot?

[prisma wind]

pretty decent with vial and feint boys

[unreal coyote]

LOL

[prisma wind]

oh god this will tear your guild apart

[unreal coyote]

what guild?

oh boys

i am full triggered

boss had roughly 50m hp

[prisma wind]

look at it this way

[unreal coyote]

this is p4 dmg

now some quick napkin math

[prisma wind]

don't do this to yourself

you're going to start looking at your healers with resentment for not casting just ONE damage spell more

it's a dark path

[unreal coyote]

no im not

im looking at a stubborn fucking lock

[grim canopy]

afflock is so god damn cheap i stopoped playing it

feels like im cheating

[safe matrix]

I got a 940 eoc last week

Didn't sim higher than my hounds trinket

So I traded it to the other rogue

[prisma wind]

You sin rogues got any tips for completing a M+ 20

my WW buddy and I have, just not in time

Haven't tried a lot of 20 keys whatsoever but it's an expansion goal

I got my rapiers at 904 so I don't suck or anything please don't judge me please

[drifting cosmos]

isnt that depends on your team comp/which dgn ti is

[prisma wind]

it's a 965 or so WW monk and we basically pug

and me a 960 sin

[drifting cosmos]

get more geared? 960 seems a bit low for 20

[nimble tartan]

BOONK GANG WHOLE LOTTA GANG SHIT

[drifting cosmos]

especially pugging

[prisma wind]

But yeah in general which ones do we like? I've done a shitload of m+ but haven't thought too much about that factor

[nimble tartan]

BOONK GANG

[prisma wind]

gotcha

960's low for 20? Not disputing it, jc

[spark cloud]

in a general sense, is Spontaneous Appendages good? it's 910 ilvl with 1,225 mastery

not asking if its good for just me, i dont need to sim myself. just like is it's proc rate and ability any good?

[faint tree]

Grayjoy. Bursting is slow for this week

[jovial kite]

@lone junco nice man

[faint tree]

If you want to do 20 underrated you need to play to sin strengths

Undergeared I mean

[lethal valley]

Anybody got any decent openers for the Mantle of Master Assassin sin spec?

[faint tree]

@lethal valley that's in the sin guide that's pinned

[lethal valley]

Thanks

[somber otter]

poison > bleed?

[viscid helm]

Speed>bleed=poison

[pliant yacht]

960 ilvl isn’t really too low for a 20

Just be aware of mechanics and use mitigation

May want to use prydaz etc for certain bosses depending on dungon

[viscid helm]

Feint is more than enough

[glad garden]

This week is pretty easy on rogues overall compared to last weeks. Sucks for healers though lol

thought i got a pretty good leggo to drop tonight but the free vigor talent isn't quite the dps gain i thought it would be

[drifting cosmos]

🤷 960 not low for 20?

pugs must be very friendly these days

[strange python]

is there a Crit % we want to be at? or is it just all mastery?

[drifting cosmos]

unless you have bunch of 970s want to 'pug' with you

like at 960 you just cant pull the numbers most likely

[viscid helm]

Maybe u cant 🤷

There are no crit caps

[quick ice]

or requirements

[viscid helm]

But id imgine lower than +50% mut crit u r gonna feel like shit

[steady prairie]

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

[viscid helm]

And it prob sims pretty high

[devout hollow]

is it really crappy to target switch with eoc on rogue

i only ever had it before on ret

[zealous dew]

use mouseover

[supple hearth]

or focus macros

[devout hollow]

do you mean for finishers?

[supple hearth]

lots of ways to prostrat it so you dont auto attack tb h

[devout hollow]

shit thats smart

im probably too low iq

😦

[zealous dew]

you can mouseover builders as well

[devout hollow]

yeah thinking bout it

[zealous dew]

like for explosive orbs

[devout hollow]

thats really smart

[zealous dew]

1 mutilate

[devout hollow]

thanks

for the tip

[jovial kite]

/target mousover /cast Rupture

[void pecan]

HaHAA

[jovial kite]

cant enter cus on phone

So on separate lines

[warm parcel]

/cast [@mouseover] rupture

[void pecan]

Blessed.

[jovial kite]

[devout hollow]

🙏🏿

[zealous dew]

or better /cast [@focus,exists,harm][@mouseseover,harm][] Name of the Ability ---- in this case goes first to hostile focus if exists, then to hostile mouseover and if doesn't find anything on current target

[devout hollow]

trying to work out space on ui or logistics of these macros,

[jovial kite]

[stark heart]

that is some disgusting luck

[devout hollow]

yes exactly, what shantal said ill make the macros more robust

[stark heart]

btw

[zealous dew]

just replace all abilities with macros

no need to make space

[jovial kite]

tbh you dont want rupture to go on current target if mousover finds no hostile

Way to waste cp and rupture pandemic

[warm parcel]

But I dont want to accidently rup my target if I miss mouseover

[jovial kite]

^

[devout hollow]

eh

another thing to micromanage

at least I dont have the ring with damage on use and a WA for that too

[stark heart]

@warm parcel but do you want to mouseover your current target always?

if it's ST like vari or whatnot

[warm parcel]

What

Have 2 buttons 🤔

[strange python]

Sim it

[warm parcel]

One for normal one mo

[stark heart]

2 buttons

[jovial kite]

Make mousover shift mod 🤷

[warm parcel]

Ye

2 and 4

[stark heart]

uhm

I have them both used already

[warm parcel]

Well better change

[devout hollow]

having space in your UI for more buttons

[warm parcel]

2-rup
4-mo rup

[jovial kite]

i use r for rup and shift r for mo

[stark heart]

I don't have more buttons really

[devout hollow]

its so perfectly crafted I cant justify more

[lone junco]

cant you just set a global mousover key like ctrl using bartender?

[warm parcel]

plays assa
runs out of binds when your spec has 4 buttons

omega.png

[stark heart]

reserved for talents never used but yeah

[warm parcel]

Why dont you combine thos via macros

[sand whale]

I play an arcane mage I has no keyboard roomz

[warm parcel]

That call upon talent swaps

[stark heart]

I do

[warm parcel]

🤔

[strange python]

Make the icons smaller

[devout hollow]

w-what

[sand whale]

if you play aclarity you free up a button

[strange python]

WA everything

[devout hollow]

not everything

[strange python]

Thats what I did

EVERYTHING

If you dont wanna raid you tell them it crashed

Ez

[stark heart]

well I don't have action bars as WA

[strange python]

I liked making it

Spend a whole day on my UI

feelsgoodman

Clean AF

[remote kraken]

@warm parcel I have a question mate, what do u do on 3cp (very usual situation after one mut for me), do u mut or fok?

[civic palm]

ezpz

[strange python]

Mut

[warm parcel]

Mut

[viscid helm]

Garr or mut

[sand whale]

eww circle buttons!

[strange python]

Same

[remote kraken]

thanks guys 😃

[warm parcel]

Well

Any builder

Would be better way to say I suppose

[stark heart]

Dispatch

[strange python]

If 3+enemies fok

[remote kraken]

i thought that fok was worth energy-wise, I guess I was mistaken

[warm parcel]

2+ yes

[strange python]

Yikes

[civic palm]

It helps to think about how much CP is generated per button press.

[sand whale]

oh wait it's hello kitty buttons I take that back

it's awesome

[civic palm]

Yeah, clearly Hello Kitty, you savage.

[strange python]

:thonking:

[stark heart]

not having nitro in 2k18

[strange python]

😦

[viscid helm]

[civic palm]

🤤

[compact lodge]

[stark heart]

oh crap

please mods don't ban me for emojis spam

[civic palm]

l o l

[void pecan]

haHAA

[strange python]

🤔

Why 🤔

[stark heart]

maybe enveloping shadows

[viscid helm]

Well done lorentz

U so smart

[stark heart]

[strange python]

Xd

[stark heart]

me am smort bois

[civic palm]

Smurt enuf newai

[sand whale]

it's a new orc racial

[strange python]

Cool thanks

[stark heart]

that was spooky

[frosty pagoda]

same

[gilded lark]

[frozen pecan]

it's chest day

haste vers loot inc

[stark heart]

another relic with CoS cdr probably awaits me

[frozen pecan]

Nah fuck that, I'm going to think positvely today, 980 EoC inc

[zealous dew]

typical, random guy doing 1m+ in the week gets 985+s

i get 960

[frozen pecan]

it's all fair and square in wow :Kappa:

[gilded lark]

985+

985(+)

[zealous dew]

end of week chest

[frozen pecan]

It's more like a start of the week chest

[shrewd night]

Upgrade on every character from chest

This means Im going to get fucked when it comes to doggotrinket dunnit

[frozen pecan]

srsly dude

upgrade on every character?

you have 1 don't u

[shrewd night]

Mastery/vers ring on rogue, mastery bracer on monk, warforged thrash relic on gurdian

Was good times

[frozen pecan]

u

[shrewd night]

Yes, I have doggotrinket, but its 935

[frozen pecan]

Have to wait until after work to open my chest

[viscid helm]

M+

[shrewd night]

@jovial kite 'Fixed a bug that allowed Demonic Gateways to be placed in unintended spots.'

[jovial kite]

Hwet

??

[shrewd night]

Wasnt some lock in your guild giving you shit for thinking trashskips in EoA was cheating?

[jovial kite]

Cant remember such incident 🤔

But can totally see it happening

[zealous dew]

you can still skip with druid

or war

so why nerf lock

[pure forum]

got my hidden appearance finally

[zealous dew]

supercool

it's a huge dps boost

[pure forum]

my second favorit sin appearance. I haven't gone for the challenge which is my favorite because i've heard horror stories about god queen.

[zealous dew]

sin challenge was a joke at 900

[viscid helm]

Spec leeching poison and afk

Gratz

[jovial kite]

Literally 2 shot at 909 ilvl

[viscid helm]

Outlaw was fun

At release

Took like 10 pulls

[jovial kite]

I loved the qq at bnet forums on challenge launch

FIX IT NOW

ONLY DOABLE IN TOMB MYTHIC GEAR

BAD TUNING

[zealous dew]

uhuh 960 CoS relic!

replaced right away

[jovial kite]

YOU JUST ANGERED THE CASUALS AND QUESS WHAT BLIZZ, WE ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE PLAYERBASE

[shrewd oriole]

alright time for chest

[stark heart]

Outlaw one was fun without hands and mantle

[shrewd oriole]

got nothing

http://prntscr.com/ihp1y4

as per usual

outlaw was easy with belt

[exotic glen]

ok guys, lets go get weekly disappointment

[autumn trench]

I got a draper of shame

[shrewd oriole]

post it on pala discord

[autumn trench]

Feels so fkin bad

[shrewd oriole]

a 960 drape of shame is worth like a 1000 ilvl cloak for palas

LUL

drape of shame to palas is like eoc to us

[zealous dew]

make a chaos crystal of it in front of the palathong community

[quick ice]

I got one last week

hid from our pally healer/officer all week

[exotic glen]

crit haste shoulders 4Head

[spiral heron]

Hey guys do you have the stat weights for assa?

[exotic glen]

fuck these caches man

sim yourself

[spiral heron]

i dont know how to do it

[grave elk]

so i dont have BIS but i have the symbiote belt, or the ring for vigor talent. which one do u guys find more valuable?

[spiral heron]

idk how many crit i have to get

[shrewd night]

@spiral heron raidbots.com -> sim yourself

[spiral heron]

kk