assassination

[keen inlet]

still gear grind. ap grind. tons of quests you gotta do to unlock xyz for faster completion of grind

[grim jay]

Weil getting legendaries flys by so fast

[prime void]

i just got bis for sin

its definitely not fast.

[hoary copper]

I've lucked out on leggos mostly for what I have

[prime void]

if you get lucky sure

[grim jay]

2 each week

[prime void]

Definitely not 2 each week guarenteed.

[crystal fox]

it is definetly 2 a week

[prime void]

rng is still rng

[grim jay]

1 safe by essences

[keen inlet]

I haven't played a ton outside of raid

but

I'm averaging maybe one per week. if that

[hoary copper]

1 is easy but 2 is fairly doable

[prime void]

2 still depends on rng

[hoary copper]

My last essence was sephuz -.- guess I used my luck

[prime void]

you could have fat blp and still get nothing

[crystal fox]

i got all sin legos in about a month, 11-12 days played

[grim jay]

Dependent on timeinvestment

[dire spoke]

👋

[prime void]

full normal-full heroic- around 7-8 myth bosses a week with invasions on cd

14 days between leggos.

rng is rng.

[manic vigil]

@hoary copper maybe you should transfer one toon. Can Level new ones on the new realm

[lone junco]

luckily, we arent democracy. no meetings. I ask people privately their opinions. then GM just does what he wants. It is what it is, like it, get over it, or gtfo.

[shrewd oriole]

Nice.

my favorite type of guilds

[grim jay]

Dunno Friend is gearing his rogue since 5 weeks. Has 11 legendaries

[manic vigil]

I'm actually gonna transfer today as well. And start mythic raiding soon. Can you imagine, now that all you guys are done already

[shrewd oriole]

the ones with bad leadership

[lone junco]

we just had our 12yr raid anniv.

[shrewd oriole]

11 leggos, 5 weeks

[lone junco]

doing fine.

[shrewd oriole]

that's easy

[grim jay]

Mizu says no

[shrewd oriole]

sounds like a player skill issue

[prime void]

I said you can get fucked

[shrewd oriole]

several people in my guild average 3 a week

[prime void]

I've had weeks with 3

[hoary copper]

Yea I thought about transferring, just would have to make sure it was a good fit before I moved. Not spending 25 bucks on that crap lol. I've been on Silver Hand since day 1 vanilla so theres nostalgia

[prime void]

I've had 3 weeks between

[shrewd oriole]

so 2,2 a week is meh

3 weeks in between is not possible

if you're doing all content

[lone junco]

I bought 1 so far.

[shrewd oriole]

12 invasions a day x 7 alone is basically a leggo

[lone junco]

have 1 left. outlaw cloak

12 invasions a day? are you crazy

lol

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

when I say all the content

[lone junco]

"fun"

[shrewd oriole]

I mean all the content

[keen inlet]

not crazy, but def has more time to play than me

lel.

[shrewd oriole]

invansions are the best drop chance event u can do

I mean

[hoary copper]

Do nothing but grind WoW to get 1 leggo a week 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

u have a kid, I'm a 20 year old law student

[keen inlet]

I'm lucky to get 2-3 invasions in a week

[shrewd oriole]

who do you think has more free time

[keen inlet]

good lord man

[shrewd oriole]

you have a kid, I AM a kid

[keen inlet]

20 years old

don't spend that time on WoW

[lone junco]

you arent law student in US till postgrad.

[keen inlet]

i regret it

[shrewd oriole]

dw I do lots of things

cant go out everyday tho

I'd be dead and broke

[lone junco]

coke and hookers.

[shrewd oriole]

1 cocktail, 15 pounds

[hoary copper]

Thats what I did when I was 20, on WoW actually when it first came out. Made poor decisions with choosing raids over classes that I hated ya know

[shrewd oriole]

sounds fun

but yeah 3 a week is quite no life

[lone junco]

Made poor decisions with choosing raids ANYTHING over classes that I hated ya know

[grim jay]

I play like 2-3 hours a day and get one every 7-9 days with 1 off essence every 6-7

[prime void]

or just lucky yknow

Like we did a normal last week

and the tank got 2 leggos lol

[shrewd oriole]

yeah ofc u can get lucky but

[prime void]

so if you can get lucky, why can't you get unlucky XD

[shrewd oriole]

in my guild's spreadsheet we've compiled data from like 250 characters

[prime void]

also, did you guys get arg?

[hoary copper]

I like when you use essence and then get a drop, makes me feel lucky

[lone junco]

Mythic boss kills use to have insane weight for BLP

[shrewd oriole]

so at a certain point you can calc what's luck and what's simple normal

[lone junco]

made me grump for sure.

[shrewd oriole]

they still do

heroic is trash

a whole run of heroic is, following the spreadsheet and the addon

around 2.5-3%

an invasion is around 1%, for comparison

: ^ )

the addon is quite accurate

[lone junco]

this currency system should have been in from the beginning.

fuck the BLP

I did content for years.

[shrewd oriole]

dunno I like it now that we have both

there's a deterministic way and a rng way

can get one a week guaranteed

that's a feels good man

[lone junco]

better now. but sephuz/prydaz was /kms shit

[shrewd oriole]

without much content either, I'd say an hour a day and you can get the 1000 essences a week

[lone junco]

was the diff between 400k and 600k in EN

[shrewd oriole]

daily bg, daily heroic, daily emmissary I reckon is about an hour, so a bit more cuz you gotta do weekly clear

very friendly for busy people

yeah in en it was trash

[manic vigil]

Holdup... How can you do all 12 invasions? When do you sleep? In between?

[shrewd oriole]

I stuck with rogue cuz my hunter got shafted on leggos

yeah time your sleepschedule around invasions

[lone junco]

bracer insig vs 2 defensives

lol.

[shrewd oriole]

it's quite easy, go sleep as soon as one spawns (after u do it)

and you can get 8:30 hours of sleep without missing one

[manic vigil]

[shrewd oriole]

12 leggos in 5 weeks pre vendor didnt farm themselves mate

obv shoulders was last btw haHAA

[lone junco]

i was like 3 weeks per for about 6 months.

[shrewd oriole]

argus made it super quick if you've got time

[lone junco]

best output was the legionfall cache.

[manic vigil]

I didn't know you have that much time between invasions actually

[shrewd oriole]

well they spawn every 2 hours

and last for 2 hours

[manic vigil]

Makes sense yeah

Somehow I thought it's faster

[lone junco]

ok. Ill start doing them on hpal/dh. both have a good one and a shit orange

[shrewd oriole]

or is 2 hours

it's 2 hours

sorry

but the sleep is still correct

[manic vigil]

Well however they spawn they seem the most important thing to do for legos

Together with emissaries

[lethal heart]

does crimson vial trait and feint work?

if not how does it work then

[bold dune]

they stack multiplicatively

[lethal heart]

what does it mean?

how mathematically does it work

[bold dune]

what specific purpose are you asking for

because I don't think it's pertinent for someone who doesn't understand how stacking works beyond just the answer that yes, they work together

[hoary copper]

I use them together if damage is coming but Im a noob. I use feint a lot

Saves me on imonar bridges generally

[shrewd oriole]

@lethal heart

it's as simple as it sounds

additive is adding them together

multiplicative is multiplying then adding them, effectively providing diminishing returns on stacked effects

additive would be .5 + .5 for 1

multiplicative would be .5 + (.5 * .5) for .75.

If you somehow had 3 stacking abilities for 50% 50% and 25% .5 + (.5 * .5) + (.5 * .5 * .25) = 93.75%

[lethal heart]

yea know how additive would work

ty for explanation

that's what i was looking for

@bold dune i mean just wanna know for future reference aswell

how to count that

[vernal adder]

Nelbur

[lone junco]

just in time for feint timing nerfs

[hoary copper]

Math....brain hurts

[manic vigil]

Nice boi nelbur

[hoary copper]

and I'm good at math

[bold dune]

if you're good at math then it should be relatively easy to understand

[ivory leaf]

2+2=4-1=3 qucik mafs

[shrewd oriole]

ye it's a really simple concept lol

[lone junco]

I guess you could test it if you could find constant pulsing damage to stand in and mash feint and vial independantly and together.

[keen inlet]

maths.

[bold dune]

why would you ever need to do that lol

[lone junco]

but not all things are as simple as that.

I dont test anything defensive. I just mash buttons and sometimes I die, sometimes I dont.

[hoary copper]

When in doubt, cloak it out

[lone junco]

yeah. i mash my healtstone/healpot bind like 3 times in a fight. knowing good and well, that it only works once.

it is still my ohshit button

it is a /use/use though. so if I dont have the Booger it hits the pot

[manic vigil]

Booger

[lone junco]

yeah. we've called them boogers for as long as I can remember. def at least back to BC.

[hoary copper]

Oh that's a good one, I wouldnt have thought to put those together

[manic vigil]

We call it Lutschkiesel

[shrewd oriole]

wait noobe have you been in the same guild for 11 years

[livid crescent]

Starting argus mythic prog tonight >.< Almost done

[manic vigil]

Hf

[shrewd oriole]

"almost done"

"argus takes longer than all other fights combined"

Kappa

[manic vigil]

I was just gonna ask

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole yeah. we raided ZA or ZG end of vanilla, and broke off at Kara1.

[manic vigil]

Zg

[shrewd oriole]

that's a lot of time with the same people

[lone junco]

offspec hybrids carried us for a long time.

[manic vigil]

Za was tbc right

[lone junco]

we did both so w/e

only 3 left from the orginal group. our core is 12-15 that have been around for 8yrs+

i didnt, but they raided wildstar and star wars and rift.

was a gap in wow, when I went to college.

the other half of our group raided together since Yogg0 and uld stuff.

[manic vigil]

Pretty good tho. I'm still on the same server but the guild from vanilla is long dead

[hoary copper]

Same, the one I'm in now has been around since vanilla though.

[lone junco]

we jumped a few times.

Cenarius pve , Blackrock (Pvp), thrall pve

we did a LOT of bgs back in the day

pretty much dead now.

healing pvp is only fun for druids i think

[manic vigil]

I loved it back in my pvp days for sure

Meme druid kiting 5 melees and keeping the team alive at the same time

[lone junco]

Hpal was godly for a long time. I just got tired of getting gangbanged.

cc chains are only fun for the rogue.

[manic vigil]

Yeah haha

[lone junco]

me: 2016 rogue: lol bitch cant do shit

me:2010-2015 hpal : fuuuuuuuuu 😭

[manic vigil]

It was almost impossible to stop a resto drood back in the days tho

I don't remember when it was. Wotlk maybe idk

[lone junco]

we had a good resto. "im a bear, im a bear"

just dancing with hots.

[manic vigil]

Always felt like a god on any bg

[lone junco]

have a fav wow memory of all time tho.

was BC.
Arathi Basin.
he hpal + resto druid with water breathing
healing from the pond.
SLSL warlock

he had green heal buff on.

and we were fat boss healing him vs all 15 alliance.

glory be the highest.

full to 1hp like every 2 sec.

[manic vigil]

Nasty

[lone junco]

hpal was sick strong at the time. and resto full. pvp tank. so many dots. so mean hks.

waves and waves of people

we lasted like 8 mins.

till 5cap

I got silenced by a warlock pet that found me under water.

he got gibbed

[rotund grove]

That feel when ill never get a 960+ eoc out of my weekly chest.

[lone junco]

very specific request

for that, you get cloak relics

[manic vigil]

Just use fang

[rotund grove]

I have a 965 fang. but i want both. 😎

also i think i would take cloak relics over haste/crit pieces.

[solid field]

I got a bjoirskin belt with a socket... my luck is over for a while.

[strange python]

i have a 980 fang

[rotund grove]

i mean im going to bonus roll dogs every week for as long as i can anyway

[ivory leaf]

Once i get a 960 fang or eoc 950+ ill try out sin for fun i got over 200% mast why not right

[rotund grove]

I got a 965 Hood of the Blind Executioner like the first week chests were updated anyway. so i guess i don't really "need" an eye of command

[lone junco]

Ill take TF Tier 20

thx

[manic vigil]

Yeah why play the best spec when you can ♿ around as a pirate

[prime void]

because best spec is zzzz

[fervent beacon]

hey

HEY

[lone junco]

@fervent beacon

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/thrall/nooberog

[rotund grove]

with high crit and 4pc sin is like watching paint dry....in fast forward.

[manic vigil]

@prime void then sub

But outlul

[lone junco]

just need a bunch of crit and bracer/boots and 2p4p and 3 vendettas

[prime void]

outlaw can perform just fine and the high apm play is fun

no need really to shit on the other 2 specs

[lone junco]

gloves are neat for sure

[manic vigil]

Fun is subjective I give you that

I love high apm but outlul is still shit

🤷

[rotund grove]

i can't seperate sub from tos so i automatically just have bad memories of it.

[manic vigil]

I mean if people like a spec all the power to them

Mizu is right

I shouldn't talk it down

[vestal wren]

the majority would link fun to being high on the meter

regardless of how retarded and borring the rotation is

[rotund grove]

Maybe it will be better in BFA since tier sets are going away

[manic vigil]

We shall see

[vapid moth]

how do any of you get good shit from the weekly

[trim gazelle]

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

[vapid moth]

i got more haste shit this week.

[fiery nest]

Praise rngesus

[tranquil birch]

my shitty priest's +11 box

[fiery nest]

Mythic 11 😂

[vapid moth]

rngesus aint real

[tranquil birch]

she's like 930 before that lol

[vapid moth]

every fucking week i get haste

[manic vigil]

I bet that's not true @vapid moth

[rotund grove]

usually it alternates. For every 3 good pieces i get i get 6 shitty/worthless pieces of gear out of my chest. It's fair i guess.

[manic vigil]

You just remember it that way

[rotund grove]

so next week ill surely get something good

[manic vigil]

Yes, that's how it works

[prime void]

I just expect shit every week. Never dissapointed- ez pz

[manic vigil]

[prime void]

chances are you getting something bad/unusable. So why get tilted when it's exactaly that

[vapid moth]

its true. ive gotten a relic one week out of 12.

[manic vigil]

The rough life of the pessimist

I'm the same tho

[prime void]

optimism just leads to let downs.

also its more realist than pessimist

to be fair

[manic vigil]

Just feel nothing and accept it for what it is. Chance

If only it was that easy huh

[unreal coyote]

As a pessimist you're either always right or pleasantly surprised

It's a decent gig

[prime void]

yyuppp

[manic vigil]

And miserable all the time

[vapid moth]

least i get my trinket to 1000 this week'

[unreal coyote]

I'm not

[rotund grove]

Im mostly just memeing around. If you have 960+ in every slot of course your chances of getting something good are low. it has to basicly be a piece that has perfect stats for it to be good and it probbaly has to either be wf/tf or have a socket.

[prime void]

pessimists arent miserable people

[unreal coyote]

Not at all

[prime void]

well atleast not inherently

[manic vigil]

I'm a pessimist and I'm not

[rotund grove]

and it probbaly has to be an off piece of tier you can replace.

[vapid moth]

i dont have 960+ for all my gear though

[shrewd oriole]

I mean, gotta be realistic

[manic vigil]

Or I think I'm not, slight difference there

[shrewd oriole]

the odds of getting an upgrade are low

if your gear is decent

[vapid moth]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[manic vigil]

Yeah

[rotund grove]

when you do get something good out of the weekly chest it feels good though

[manic vigil]

It's awesome on a new alt tho

It sure does

[fervent beacon]

I got the same ilvl relic from the dungeon that I last did on my enhance shaman

[manic vigil]

Better luck next week

[torn coyote]

i cant get my 99

help me guys

tell me how to be come better rogue

[crystal fox]

procc more pb's

[lone junco]

sort by ilvl

zing

[jovial kite]

@gaunt moat @quick talon https://gyazo.com/c38a80c69f84d8727ed55a3c7d8e422a

get on mah level

ascendance 11 time-eater perfected

and shrekted

[gaunt moat]

wew nice

[lone junco]

69/69

[devout hollow]

is sin gonna be slower/clunkier with <30% crit

got a double mastery but dropped me to 28.8%

[lone junco]

slow for sure. not necessarily worse.

[gaunt moat]

yeah with 288 armor XD

[lone junco]

some run like 25/215

[jovial kite]

yup.. entrench barricade deck

insane

[devout hollow]

it sims higher at least

29/210 rn

[gaunt moat]

i've moved to darkest dungeon now :x

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/e741caf34aa8043b5cb55827aa1c5e99

[vapid moth]

i need new relics. i no longer have any with MoS and i really miss the svoidance

[manic vigil]

Darkest dungeon 🤔 always wanted to try that now that you mention it

[prime void]

@torn coyote what bosses yoy missing 99s on

[torn coyote]

vari

and argus

[lone junco]

can you post your logs?

[scenic saffron]

how do you guys play assa in mythic+ ? do you use cloak+umbral for your aoe set or just go basic mantle+wrist and pray for pb procs ?

[prime void]

Need to line up your second vanish really well on vari. Or get luck with pb lol

[quick talon]

@gaunt moat https://www.twitch.tv/videos/230691651

[zealous dew]

you don't use cloak as sin

[gaunt moat]

any specific moment?

[lone junco]

not too bad i guess.

[obtuse cedar]

I guess EoC 935 is useless on MM High Command isn't it ?

Should I be running Fang on that fight ?

[quick talon]

no the whole thing is cringe therefor pretty fun

[lone junco]

i love this part.

[prime void]

Which part ?

[vestal wren]

why heroic

show mythic charto

[keen inlet]

because Noobe doesn't raid mythic?

[lone junco]

not mine

was the guy wanting 99s

[keen inlet]

o

[lone junco]

just ilvl carry stomping heroic bell curve, but when sampled vs piers, blue/purp

[vestal wren]

sin allowes even a wider range of itemlvl

[prime void]

Blue parses 😅

[vestal wren]

but it should be fine with ~963+ to get orange/high purple

[manic vigil]

Plus, don't forget the 915 guy who just swapped in an ilvl 200 ring and owned that ilvl by 400k

[lone junco]

sure.

[quick talon]

what ilvl is this guy tho

guess 966 ish ?

[lone junco]

prob

[vestal wren]

reminds me of me playing with 1 lego by accident in tos getting 99/100 itemlvl brackets 🤔

[manic vigil]

Haha

Accident

[keen inlet]

I still think ilvl's a more fair comparison parse

[quick talon]

with low crafted rings/necks

you can probably get easy ilvl parses

[keen inlet]

even if ppl abuse it

it's not perfect

but neither is overall

[lone junco]

some get gold overall and gold ilvl. some dont

[manic vigil]

I do as well, but I have to as a heroic raider

[vestal wren]

i think wcl site is a bit hard to read

[lone junco]

this makes me smile.

[manic vigil]

Holy fuck man

[lone junco]

thems good logs.

[keen inlet]

For example, heroic dogs, my guild still splits wide because they're bad. So to judge me against everybody else cleaving/stacking dogs isn't really fair, but there are fewer guilds at my ilvl stacking dogs, etc

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[manic vigil]

Exactly

[keen inlet]

all should be taken with a grain of salt

[vestal wren]

portal keeper mythic

🤷 you wont log high as sub if you cant pad (top logs)

[lone junco]

sure. and given carries. bracer does work.

[keen inlet]

but I think purple logs for ilvl mean somebody's at least competent enough to pug heroic

[vestal wren]

if your itemlvl is decent you should be purple/orange in heroic

even with not optimal groups

[keen inlet]

That, again, depends on your guild

[lone junco]

Don's AHC stomps mine.

cause my raid can cleave.

his cant lol

[vestal wren]

you can just pug hc and do good logs

if your guild has to many issues

[fervent beacon]

padding on mythic portal keeper

🤔

[vestal wren]

well my old guild let the other rogue pad

not me sadly

[keen inlet]

well you want to see where discrepancies rise up

heroic garothi, all item levels:

heroic garothi, my item level

gear doesn't matter tho right? 😉

I've pulled garothi roic twice btw. I've been extremely casual.

I want to get that up to a 90+ for ilvl 😠

[vestal wren]

only cleared hc once since my trans (and had some lags that evening)

[lone junco]

sry. using wcl as bully tool

[quick talon]

since your trans? You a girl now fuu ?

[vestal wren]

no i server transfered

^^

[quick talon]

😦

Was hoping for an actual female mod

[gaunt moat]

to a different gender

[manic vigil]

Actually playing sub

[lone junco]

I hope to break 2m on varith this week tho

[keen inlet]

lel.

[gaunt moat]

giggle is female...

[quick talon]

I cant trust you in that one

I remember you refused that once

[keen inlet]

I've accepted I'm the slowest kid in the fast group

[lone junco]

stay strong. trust none.

[keen inlet]

casual problems

or the fastest kid in the slow group

either way

[quick talon]

Too scared to send out dickpics to giggle until im 100% sure

[hoary copper]

Most of my logs for my first time through the first bosses of hc are blue/purple with like 1 green and a grey (cause I died)

[gaunt moat]

i'm listening to that toxicity stream
so they're basically saying "people are not acting in the exact way i permit to behave, and that's not good"

even if it's among themselves and not in public

[prime void]

https://gyazo.com/21a8b8ef28be12f55fc4470bd4ca9f4f

https://gyazo.com/2491a917e6017a451bc0c4b7fade70ef

[quick talon]

at the very beginning she says like

[prime void]

ilvl vs non

[quick talon]

wcl released at the same time as amr did

[prime void]

I prefer to just not look at ilvl XD

[quick talon]

"both high quality tools"

implying amr is as good as wcl

damn

[hoary copper]

I prefer not to look at overall xD

actually my grey parse overall is purple for ilvl ...lol

[vestal wren]

962/963 btw ^^

[prime void]

That 100 on pk wasnt actually a 100. Really confusing

[keen inlet]

I do worry

That with successful media coverage

[prime void]

Sometimes the ranking system goes wackoo

[keen inlet]

more attention will be paid to less reliable tools.

AMR is an option, certainly.

[solid field]

i was only ilvl 932 for my first run through heroic last week. I was only 200k off from the 962 sub rogue we have.

so, I don't think i'm doing that bad.

[lone junco]

just aim for your simc average

[prime void]

Or hes just that bad

[lone junco]

if you are +/- 3%. you are doing just fine.

[prime void]

Most fights we're so over our simc though. Unless thats not a thing for low ilvl players

[lone junco]

I mean, if your 962 sub is putting out 1.7m and you are 1.5m that would make sense

[prime void]

I guess if you can sim the length right vn.

Nvm*

[lone junco]

mine is right at it all most of the time.

[solid field]

yea, I pulled 1.41 and he was like 1.6 or something.

[lone junco]

1.6 is pretty low.

1.4 seemsgood . just work off your raidbots avg.

[solid field]

He has crap leggos, I'm really not sure why he plays sub

Likes it ??

[lone junco]

it happens.

[prime void]

That ass tho

Good shit.

[lone junco]

we have good spread on varith.

1.169 makes me want to cry

[keen inlet]

at 954?

good lord.

like

do they just need to press 1 more often

do they need a brick?

[lone junco]

not dead either

[unreal coyote]

your warrior

trash

[lone junco]

i didnt ask

[vestal wren]

pb

[unreal coyote]

youre right

i fucking told you

[ivory leaf]

Rtb isnt good for prog

[keen inlet]

Nope

lol

[solid field]

who posted that funny warrior video that executed to the top of the meters

[manic vigil]

That's good shit yeah

[unreal coyote]

i like that 10second warrior guide one

classic

[vestal wren]

fury on argus

balanced shit

[manic vigil]

Furry

[hoary copper]

I think I did Bodock

went to like 3.1m dps from like 2m dps in just a short time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk

[vestal wren]

btw. sims show a wrong picture of fury 😉

[manic vigil]

[vestal wren]

was an popular argument back when they first came out

[manic vigil]

Yeah

[vestal wren]

even from their theoriecrafters

and they got nerfed after so they might think they are undertuned now

[manic vigil]

[jovial kite]

@gaunt moat @quick talon
https://gyazo.com/1dc071028c1433885999378ac3316ec7

geto n my level

back to back asc 12 perfected and oneshotted

[manic vigil]

Why phone, why

[solid field]

Yea, that was it

[vestal wren]

anyone played kingdom come yet?

[void pecan]

Friend mine has

Says its worth every bit

[vestal wren]

not sure if overhyped or rly good tbh, will wait to buy it a bit i guess

[solid field]

My son just got dragonball fighter z, it's pretty awesome.

[fervent beacon]

impyling RtB isn't good for progress

🤔

[fiery nest]

how the fuck you get 999 armor

[vestal wren]

i mean we did point out that outlaw will not see play in early progress^^

so it was no surprise for anyone

[safe matrix]

The video the other day of the warrior on argus during execute phase

Synced to dbz

Was pretty entertaining

oh, discord scrolled me up

[fiery nest]

i cant listen to that song/clip without thinking of tyler1

[quick talon]

@vestal wren im playing kingdom come deliverence

I really like it, the face animation is weird, but i really do like the story and the overall gameplay

the combat isnt really fast paced (which im used to as sin) but you gotta like it

[safe matrix]

oh boy I got a 960 sprint cd shdow relic

💩

[vestal wren]

gz

cant wait to open my weekly chest tomorrow and get a useless item

[unreal coyote]

i did that today

shoulders ftw

[fiery nest]

i got haste pants 🥄

[unreal coyote]

ouch

[quick talon]

It doesnt matter what i get

there will be haste on it

[celest mirage]

This will be the week

Eoc inc

[quick talon]

jinxed it 🤷🏿

[gaunt moat]

@quick talon wth, zooper said she can see the point of sending a death threat do a developer if he says something against homosexuals O_o

[quick talon]

She's crazy m8

[fervent beacon]

uh oh

you mentioned the name

[vestal wren]

whos zooper 🙉 🙈

[zealous dew]

define useless item

with azerite armor anything can be useful

[vestal wren]

will be quite a while still till bfa

you cant even go over 103 on alpha 😨

[hoary copper]

Afflic lock solos Xavius (and wasnt Mionelol). Seems balanced

[gaunt moat]

@quick talon i like that midgette lady, she's sensible

[zealous dew]

warlocks don't do dmg

bottom of sims

[vestal wren]

well classes will be fixed in bfa i assume^^

main reason locks are so strong is the fight design btw.

their damage literally explodes if they have some kind of add on a fight

[quick talon]

his UI tho 👌🏿

yea notter she's cool. Sadly no facecam

the friendly girls are usually the ugly ones anyway

[shrewd oriole]

@vestal wren http://prntscr.com/ihh27e http://prntscr.com/ihh2as

HC vari vs M vari

🤔

[vestal wren]

even lower on 95

[shrewd oriole]

lmao we had the same idea

[quick talon]

that add cleave doing work

[vestal wren]

add dies quite fast

[quick talon]

hows sin #3 on hc

[vestal wren]

well its spec design^^

[quick talon]

and quite low in M

[vestal wren]

some classes just benefit from the cleave

[shrewd oriole]

scaling, fight length, no additional damage from short duration cleave

[vestal wren]

like sub is 2nd last on that fight (last in the pic)

[gaunt moat]

@quick talon she sounds like she's 50+ years old
so she's not part of the victim mentality

[shrewd oriole]

well fuu

a lot of people playing sub are doing bitch duty

[quick talon]

assuming her age by her voice damn

I thought she's like early 40s

[gaunt moat]

she said she has a 30+ year old son

[quick talon]

O

[gaunt moat]

so i assume she was at least 20 year old

[quick talon]

sure if she has a 30 year old son

she is abit older than 20

😄

[shrewd oriole]

guy who soloed xavius wasnt even 960

LUL

[vestal wren]

@shrewd oriole bitch duty on vari?

sub just has meh downtime damage

[shrewd oriole]

yeah

saving cps for add

sometimes even going mfd

dunno, I was on it 100% for progress

[vestal wren]

we talk about 95%tile logs

not the lower ones

[shrewd oriole]

ah I was looking at 75th

yeah sub just sucks then lol rip

[vestal wren]

and there are so many other classes that work way better on add then rogue

[quick talon]

I completely ignored the add

[vestal wren]

you storm it

thats all

[quick talon]

only dmg on it was a bit of PB

o sub

I didnt even fok when it was up

[vestal wren]

well sub gets combo so you want to

[shrewd oriole]

dunno on progress I was topping add

[exotic glen]

on all my M vari kills, the only dmg i've done to the add was pb aoe

fuk that

[quick talon]

same

[vestal wren]

well sub is not tuned that good atm too ^^

[exotic glen]

but tbh, my guild allows me to do that, if you're progressing the boss with difficulty, that might not be the best idea

[vestal wren]

tho you could play it early progress so i guess its fine

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/ihh5z3

[exotic glen]

dam tom

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/ihh66o

LUL

[vestal wren]

add damage?

[shrewd oriole]

yeah

I did 140M and the second guy did like 70

[vestal wren]

as sub/sin?

[shrewd oriole]

sub

MfD

[vestal wren]

i would argue with my RL about add duty

tbh

[shrewd oriole]

well I dont do it anymore ahah

was just for progress

[vestal wren]

you also dont play sub ^^

[shrewd oriole]

touche

[lone junco]

what is that pool 6cp nb, symbol dance mark evisc

[vestal wren]

pro tactics ^^

[lone junco]

i simmed that sub stuff for hectic3boss 1min. nothing touched dfa. snd shoulder gloves actually did really well though.

nothing i could do would break 5m dps though.

ret friend floating at 8m

😐

[vestal wren]

nightblade changes made aoe even worse

you have burst aoe (you can emphasize on with trinkets/legos)

but after that you are out of fuel, even worse you are even worse then sin on fights like high command due to statistics (single target and aoe damage)

while sin leakes reliable aoe (hope that changes in bfa)

[lone junco]

sub had host for mass cleave. was a really good fight for them.

[vestal wren]

high command is kinda the same

but tuning is different (also bracers nerfed)

[ivory leaf]

Sub was nice in aoe on dungeons when u used the back

[keen inlet]

man

we're about to go through a contractor

his name is tom

his business is

Systom

and i kinda just want

to not give him business

because of that

sorry, off topic. 🥄

[unreal coyote]

oh

like thats areal

he really did that

for serious?

[keen inlet]

yea

SysTOMS inc or w/e

I'm like how do you go to work in the morning 😂

[quick talon]

@shrewd oriole don is shittalking your business

[shrewd oriole]

LOL

cmon jose 😦

[keen inlet]

rip Tom

[hoary copper]

Tom wins

[keen inlet]

bruen

why does that sound like something Tim Allen would do when he acted confused

[hoary copper]

Or Bruin like the hockey team/a bear

[keen inlet]

my bruisers

my thugs

by boys

in Boston

[hoary copper]

My home city, even tho I moved its always home

[keen inlet]

where do you live now?

[hoary copper]

technically I was near Plymouth but easier to say Boston

Orlando area, moved to do an internship for a company with a mouse

🐭

🏰

[unreal coyote]

i was just in orlando couple weeks ago

did magic kingdom animal kingdom and epcot

[hoary copper]

DHS isnt worth doing at the moment, unless you can jump parks

It's generally a decent time, it's fairly quiet

[keen inlet]

oh neat

paid internship?

or slave labor

[hoary copper]

It was yea, low paid but it was paid.

[keen inlet]

did you live in the mobile home villages or w/e?

[hoary copper]

I worked turnstiles (when it was a thing) and then did a marketing intership (bit better but still low) then went full time 8 years ago in June

[keen inlet]

Ah okay

man that company and the history of it are so fascinating

(to me)

[sacred citrus]

Which? Disney?

[hoary copper]

Interns have real buildings now, they took 80ish bucks a week to share a room and have 8 total people in it.

[keen inlet]

SHHHHHHHH

We dare not say his name

it may awaken him from his frozen slumber

[sacred citrus]

Didney?

[hoary copper]

Im sure its more now

[keen inlet]

😔

Turns out Walt didn't die--they froze him because he was immortal and it was the only way to stop his furious destruction

[sacred citrus]

🤔

I buy it.

[heavy plover]

when you returned a while ago, and didn't want a shit m+ score😃

[keen inlet]

He never got over them calling Zippy-dee-doo-dah a racist film

or uh

sorry

"Song of the South"

[sacred citrus]

15s? So you have a 2k score?

[heavy plover]

yeah

i just got back to wow

[hoary copper]

Is Disney the original Frozen Lich King?

[sacred citrus]

2k isn’t a valued as it used to be.

[hoary copper]

Before Arthas

[sacred citrus]

I have 3k and I still struggle to get in some groups.

2.7k actually my mistake.

Do more of those 19s and you’ll be alright.

[heavy plover]

I know 2k is really bad i just wanted to do a 15 on every dungeon to start somewhere

actually gave me something to do, so not complaining

[sacred citrus]

Yea. I did the same thing a few weeks back I had like a 1200 score.

Got it up to 2.6k annnnnnd started slacking again.

[keen inlet]

Nerzhul?

yeah

prolly

[sacred citrus]

Have we talked about dispatch coming back recently?

Lose bracers gain dispatch.

[void pecan]

Gotta keep that execute

[sacred citrus]

Ye

I’m excited about it.

[hoary copper]

I do like 1 m+ a week to get a weekly m+ (not even a 15 since I usually get rejected) and thats it. I can only deal with people so much

[sacred citrus]

I’m excited to be more in control of my dps.

[void pecan]

Getting rejected for keys? Make your own groups.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sacred citrus]

Also mastery scaling bleeds is going to be cool.

[heavy plover]

same not the biggest m+ player but getting my score up gave me something to do, literally was 0 this week

[hoary copper]

I'd have to run my keys and I usually get seat or lower bleh

[sacred citrus]

But now we get PB or blood bomb.

Or W/E they are calling the bleed AoE proc.

[hoary copper]

CT seems like it will be useful

[sacred citrus]

Crimson tempest right?

[hoary copper]

yea

the finisher?

[sacred citrus]

Look at me.

Wait that’s a finisher? I did not know this.

I thought it was another RNG proc.

[hoary copper]

pretty sure, at work so I couldnt look

[sacred citrus]

8second garrote anyone?

[vapid moth]

M+ affix where every death increases your damage done by 1% lol

[sacred citrus]

Land 40 second vanish?

1m blind.

[vapid moth]

No one's gonna at least laugh at my affixe?

[torn token]

Unless they change stuff CT in alpha was pretty weak

[hoary copper]

Nothing is really tuned yet, its still Alpha

we're prob what, 6 or 7 months away from release at least?

[keen inlet]

don't say

such sad

things

sept is hard stop release month

I'm thinking maybe august

maybe

[lone junco]

No confidence in CT.

[void pecan]

I'm thinking august or july

[shrewd oriole]

hopefully not july lol

[void pecan]

it's most likely august.

mid to late

[shrewd oriole]

late august would be bis

[hoary copper]

Vanilla was September
BC was January
WOLK was November
Cataclysm was December
MOP was September
WOD was November
Legion was August

[manic vigil]

[hoary copper]

I'm going to guess probably September or November

[keen inlet]

well

what was

77 days

from 7.3.5?

they might do that, but that would be really early tbh

[shrewd oriole]

it cant be november

what u on about lmao

[hoary copper]

7.3.5 was January 16th...77 days would be April lol

[shrewd oriole]

it's on or before the 21st of september

[hoary copper]

How'd you pick that day?

[shrewd oriole]

lol

[keen inlet]

"hi."

[shrewd oriole]

check gamge page

[keen inlet]

The Anti-slutmog (Tm)

[hoary copper]

yea just found it

brb meeting

[vivid bone]

the "uggmog"

[rain pewter]

id call the the bestmog tbh

[keen inlet]

no

the best mog is

legendary

[main walrus]

So.... I just got shoulders... been playing Sin a lot.. I'm not very good... being straight up... would they benefit me more for outlaw or keeping as sin? only have 2 pc t21

I do have the cloak for Sin as well if that makes a difference.. insignia ring, sephuz and boots

[shrewd oriole]

it'd be illegal

to release the game after 21st

ahah

[haughty python]

been trying to find a poison bomb, /s or /y announcement anyone could help?

[quick talon]

when pb proccs

press enter

type

"I procced poison bomb"

boom

done

[haughty python]

clap clap for ur sarcasm

[quick talon]

thx

been working all day to get that one off

[keen inlet]

I've heard there were WAs for it but idk

[haughty python]

don't stress too much, might burst a blood vessel

[keen inlet]

iWin leave your tankchat in tankchat 😛

[marble hemlock]

sent you a whisper with the wa

[quick talon]

dude thats straight out of the mage discord

[viscid helm]

well you just add action "say" to any PB WA

done

[strange python]

Whaaaddup you toxic beasts

incredibly high tryna get 2 dungeons for ghostblade skin

this is sooooooo hard

and time moves soo slow

[safe matrix]

I remember when I was 14 and trying weed for the first time

xd

[strange python]

inb4 am 56 got 4 kidz 2 wifes

[keen inlet]

[rain pewter]

im 20 got 2 kids..........

[quick talon]

i'd kms

[viscid helm]

lul

[quick talon]

im 24 cant think about kids

[vapid moth]

why is it not possible to get 100 for a parse

[gaunt moat]

I got 19215 kids

[manic vigil]

[solar spade]

I'm leveling a rogue and feel it's somewhat hard to reliable hit 6 combo points with Deeper Stratagem: If I have to apply Garrote and hit Muti twice, I'm at 5 combo points with nothing great to get 1 combo point for a 6 point finisher - is it better to waste a combo point by going for another mutilate or am I just missing a combo point generator at lvl 63?

Missed the simple questions channel, my bad

[lone junco]

@solar spade you dont need 6cps at all times. just env or rupture at 4/5/6

[solar spade]

What do you do in raid scenarios then, when you want to hit a 6 combo point Rupture?

Or isn't it such a high priority?

[viscid helm]

if you are leveling, why would you even use DS in the first place

just use vigor

[manic vigil]

flowi helpful and not trolling with alacrity

mod here we come

[viscid helm]

mfw Alacrity sims higher than TB or ex

[gaunt moat]

!mod @viscid helm

[viscid helm]

[manic vigil]

don nitro'ed up as well

[keen inlet]

@solar spade read muh leveling guide

[quick talon]

If flowi gets shadowblade i'll start eating tide pods

[manic vigil]

I'd be fine with that

[keen inlet]

@manic vigil finally did it today

[manic vigil]

🤷

[keen inlet]

I've sunk hours and hours over the past year into this

take $5

[manic vigil]

awesome, worth it!

[solar spade]

@keen inlet wheres it at?

[manic vigil]

unless you are a sub rogue

fuu rules with an iron fist

[keen inlet]

@solar spade http://www.ravenholdt.net/don-joses-rogue-leveling-advice/

I don't go into the higher levels tho

if you have q's I have recommendations beyond 90

just was keeping guide tldr

[gaunt moat]

@quick talon to be fair, they do look delicious

[hoary copper]

Don has an advice corner? Oh lawdy

[shrewd oriole]

@gaunt moat so do bunnies...

https://gyazo.com/eebf011a74aea4a12f6b58df35fcb1b6

kms

[keen inlet]

pls dont

[shrewd oriole]

I cant tell who is it

[safe matrix]

Don you need to join the lock discord

Their emotes are so good

[keen inlet]

I'm in it

I'm in them all

[safe matrix]

monkaGun

[keen inlet]

longtime lurker nevertime poster

Council of the Black Harvest?

it's all monka

everybody's got those.

(except RH)

monka's old news broh

[safe matrix]

Why don't we have memes

It's better than what we have

Broh

[keen inlet]

Earthshrine has the worst, by far

mage close second worst

[hoary copper]

For memes?

[wise frigate]

[lone junco]

@keen inlet nice guide tbh.

[keen inlet]

ty

I might be an utter garbage player

but I do try

[lone junco]

I would not level as Assassination.

[keen inlet]

what makes sin shine later makes it suck for leveling imo ¯_(ツ)_/¯

after/while writing this guide I've been messing around with a lowbie rogue

and i stand by what I wrote

sub is my least favorite endgame spec, but by far the most fun (to me) and fast/fluid leveling spec post changes

[lone junco]

certainly. vendett is horrible for leveling

[keen inlet]

imagine outlaw

no rtb until what, level 40 iirc?

it's like snd without snd

[brave gyro]

I like Sub once I get shadowstrike for leveling

[lone junco]

mighty mobs

lol

[keen inlet]

I think

I would've been okay with the 7.3.5 leveling changes

if

they had taken a few more passes at classes' level up builds

[stray trellis]

misshapen abomination heart strikes again

[lone junco]

gloomblade would be a good choice tbh. front stabs in the face

[keen inlet]

but the fact that most dungeons are aoe fiestas and rogue doesn't get aoe until level 63

c'mon

[brave gyro]

They should boost the Heirlooms' exp. % imo. The leveling right now is great, but it sucks that the point of heirlooms was to speed leveling, and now is kinda... meh

[keen inlet]

at 7.3.5

[safe matrix]

"Rogue AoE" ?????

[keen inlet]

not your suggestion MTN

[vivid hound]

What legendaries do you guys run in 15+ M+? I figure shoulders, but I feel like cloak only shines in sub, not sin. Bracers then?

[brave gyro]

Yeah, i got it Don, no sweat

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/ihiz8p

[vivid hound]

for trash*

[safe matrix]

Shoulders bracers

[shrewd oriole]

someone had a good pull lul

pb 25% of my damage

🤔

[safe matrix]

Highest I've had was 16

[brave gyro]

Oh, i love how I get 2 poison bombs in my opener crit window i do a 6m dps opener . I feel very skillful and accomplished 😄

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/ihizn5

I had two procs on pull

and 3 procs with 3 buffs

[keen inlet]

last night during raid

idk what was going on

but my kingsbanes were like

17 stacks

on average

i was getting mad

[torn coyote]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/24185859/17#difficulty=5&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&metric=dps&boss=2069

[keen inlet]

usually comfortably > 20

[torn coyote]

what i am doing wrong

[keen inlet]

without trying

[brave gyro]

Idk, lately it feels like I'm doing so poorly. Even if I don't do anything too different

[lone junco]

@torn coyote your tb usage is choppy. whats going on?

are you delaying it on purpose?

[safe matrix]

😮

[lone junco]

its fine if you are.

[torn coyote]

well depends on kingsbane

[brave gyro]

Btw, Since i had to take about 2 months break. Do I still use vendetta/tb/kb on CD without waiting?

[torn coyote]

or vendetta

[shrewd oriole]

dont delay tb

[torn coyote]

i delay it like 6 secs

[viscid helm]

dont play tb

[torn coyote]

never nore

more

[shrewd oriole]

ye but how many casts are you losing

[lone junco]

its not that much of a stagger. not that concerned.

the vanish looks proper, but peak is low

prob just the missing kb

[brave gyro]

In 2 minutes you can get almost 5 casts of TB. If you keep delaying it, you get 3 casts off, almost 4

so imagine on a 5-8 min fight

how many TB you are missing out

if you delay 6 sec

[main walrus]

@viscid helm tb is no good? it's recommended on the guide

[torn coyote]

i always use my vanish on cd

should i wait for other cds ?

[brave gyro]

I think you should save vanish if you will hit sub < 30% boss HP

[viscid helm]

I mean do you trust Notter?

[brave gyro]

because of wrists

[gaunt moat]

yes? 😦

[main walrus]

I just got shoulders so I really have no idea anymore.. lol

[main walrus]

@gaunt moat Love your WA setup btw. I just got it last week, it's really nice

[gaunt moat]

cool, glad you like it

[torn coyote]

i got parried

[main walrus]

Needed to move a couple of things due to my screen and shit but everything is great

[lone junco]

@torn coyote do you have 2 vendetta relics ?

[torn coyote]

1

[brave gyro]

@main walrus Checking up all the other rogues and rankings. TB is the way to go atm. I haven't seen anyone going Exh

[main walrus]

Seems like it yeah

I only do normal/heroic though so.. lol

To much of a noob for mythic

[torn coyote]

@lone junco only 1

[shrewd oriole]

just play whatever you prefer

poison is better tho

specially for aoe

[lone junco]

timing sucks some times. but that last vanish needs to be in the bracer.

[brave gyro]

@main walrus Mythic is just a lot more about the team, and knowing the fights, anticipating mechanics, rather than reacting to them. Don't put yourself down.

[lone junco]

with 3 vend you would have had 3 vanishes. instead you got 2. open/close. and the closer wasnt in the bracer

aka shoulder timing is dependant on fight length. and bracer duration

[torn coyote]

3rd vanish last 15 sec right ?

[lone junco]

if you only get 1 vanish, after the opener due to TTD. try to get it in bracers.

[indigo epoch]

What do you mean not in the bracer?

[lone junco]

sub 30%

[indigo epoch]

So should have delayed?

[torn coyote]

vanish rup ?