assassination

[midnight latch]

like sstorm combo is only worth if you have adds to cleave of constantly

[shrewd night]

We're likely to have one sub regardless because his weapon is shit

[midnight latch]

well I switch to sin

like

when we were 6/11

[zealous dew]

Naya became pb god on coven

[midnight latch]

like 3 weeks?

[shrewd night]

Good boi

[midnight latch]

getting new weapon ready is easy af now

[safe matrix]

I switch for every fight except high command now

unless I feel like sub

[midnight latch]

and its not like

Ilvl matters for sin

so you can put in like

910 940 MasterSin relics

and be gucci on dps

[safe matrix]

I need more mastery

mines only like 150% iirc

which is really low

[shrewd night]

Although I will be slightly tilted if no doggotrinket this week

Only slightly tho

/s

[safe matrix]

lemme get a screencap rq

[midnight latch]

I wanna replace my mastery/versa Crit/Versa stuff so bad 😩

[safe matrix]

I traded mythic flamepaws with socket for the hound trinket

[midnight latch]

like I have a set for gloomblade with 17% versa and 46% crit

I have like 14k crit

the fuck

[shrewd night]

Flame paws

[midnight latch]

I have a 3rd relic

with shocklight now

[safe matrix]

147%

my bad

[shrewd night]

what in the fuck

[midnight latch]

thats more or less

[shrewd night]

Just 18% vers btw

[safe matrix]

I keep getting crit/vers gear

but even in sub

[midnight latch]

how my gear looks on sin

[safe matrix]

my masteyr is only like 97%

it has a weight of 38

[shrewd night]

Like, thats double my vers, and I got 52% more mastery

[safe matrix]

I just got the belt off coven

[shrewd night]

Got a warforged Pk belt from biweekly order hall quest

[safe matrix]

simmed higher than my portal keepers in both specs

[shrewd night]

2% upgrade from my other mastery/crit belt

sigh

[midnight latch]

i have 960 crit mastery boots

but i am wearing 980 haste mastery

🤢

2% upgrade

fml

[safe matrix]

980 crit/haste

😉

sub

sin

[shrewd night]

wat

It does for me too, I have 2 MA relics and bracer/boots trumps shoulders

[safe matrix]

boots have never simmed better for me, its always been like a 50k los

[shrewd night]

Farm dat garothi, son

[midnight latch]

may thee lootz be blessed

inb4 "I fuckin hate you naya only got shit from raid"

[shrewd night]

wyd

Like, I get the weirdest titanforges

But fuck if I get any rings this tier

[safe matrix]

like this?

xd

xddddddddd

5 ilvls

but no avoidance

funnily enough it doesnt sim high in my sub spc though

even though I'm still using t20 headpiece

ur disgusting

leave

our other rogue

has a 985 portal keepers belt and 980 tier hands

from heroic, like week 3

😉

[signal summit]

We never even get tf on leather pieces its insane

Like highest We have got is 975

During all weeks and We have full clearad like 4 Times

[safe matrix]

we got a 985 trinket from agg heroic the other day during an alt run 🤷

[signal summit]

Lul

[safe matrix]

its a shame cause its such a shit trinket

[signal summit]

Tf is so retarded

[shrewd night]

I have the bomb trinket from kin in my bags, it sounds like such a fun trinket. But its so shit.

[safe matrix]

yeah tf is stupid

I got the BiS ranged trinket on my alt the other day

950 acrid injector

from lfr

xd

[rain pewter]

k

y

s

[viscid helm]

Wew

[rain pewter]

sry, just trying to be toxic lil northerner like you flowi ❤

you are my favorite suomi person above @warm parcel btw

[safe matrix]

no he's not

he takes alacrity

[viscid helm]

Thats so cool

[safe matrix]

he cant even tkae

toxic blade

[viscid helm]

I only play superior talents

[strange python]

Sim it

[viscid helm]

I've been converting everyone to the New fotm

[strange python]

Arms?

[viscid helm]

U guys have no idea

What you are missing

[strange python]

Haste mastery

[safe matrix]

but if you auto attack more, you miss more

[viscid helm]

100% 2pc uptime

And chill

Doesnt get any better

[safe matrix]

would the ring from CoS be any good

the buff to autos

[viscid helm]

No

[safe matrix]

yeah figured

the stats are a bit rubbish

[keen mango]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[strange python]

Please use bot commands in the spam bot channel:P

[viscid helm]

What

[grim jay]

What

[jovial kite]

Dead channel

Dats wat

[grim jay]

Well EU working

Murris sleeping

[jovial kite]

I think mods banned 1/2 of the userbase after the darkening

[spare cloud]

The Darkening

what

[jovial kite]

the time

When mods left us plebs and plunged the channel to darkness

[spare cloud]

shhhhh

else youre gone too

[jovial kite]

fuck, im found! Praise Flowi the angel without wings

And lord savior pb

i must make haste

[spare cloud]

Is Flowi shadowblade yet?

[jovial kite]

no

[spare cloud]

Unlucky

[jovial kite]

Hence angel without wangs

[grim jay]

Rather

[spare cloud]

I never tried using the same name as someone else on a server

its not possible, right?

[jovial kite]

Discord or wow

[spare cloud]

discord

i know its not possible in wow

[jovial kite]

Its doable

But your numbertag cant be the same

Even with nitro i believe

[quick talon]

It is

There are 2 flowis already

[spare cloud]

Time to impersonate someone

[grim jay]

[spare cloud]

who's a person that is often here and has a yellow name

[fast nacelle]

😒

[jovial kite]

Guido?

[spare cloud]

Flowi 🤔

[jovial kite]

Ur gonna be flowi the 3rd?

[spare cloud]

I wouldnt darew

[jovial kite]

They said hell will freeze before finland wins the eurovision

Then Lordi came

hell wasnt frozen

We won with this

[spare cloud]

I'm out

[jovial kite]

https://youtu.be/gAh9NRGNhUU

flowi has a chance

[zealous dew]

Pull something I'm losing alacrity stacks

[warm parcel]

@rain pewter
I know bb 😗

[rain pewter]

ayyy bb u want sum fuk? (; @warm parcel

[onyx rock]

Hi Guys 👋

[shrewd oriole]

Afternoon fellas

[warm parcel]

🍍 @rain pewter

[grim jay]

🤔

[warm parcel]

Doesnt even work on mobile

♿

[shrewd night]

Why are you so late, Tom?

Tardiness is reason for expelling you from the Poisonbois

[quick talon]

some1 said guido?

@rain garden brother

[jovial kite]

Arent all poisonbois dandy? 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

@shrewd night was hanging out in the morning ahah

and I'm out of mobile data

for the month

[shrewd night]

3g

[grim jay]

Arent all exsang bois masochists? 🤔

[shrewd night]

third world country

Three

third

Coincidence?

[jovial kite]

Yes 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

All exsang bois love doing no damage on aoe

raid leader doing an extra raid day so we can kill argus tonight

[jovial kite]

Gl

[shrewd oriole]

t w o d a y g u i l d

two day guilds and extra days, name a more iconic duo

[jovial kite]

Dun goof up

Cus ur rl did

[shrewd night]

dw Tom, they only raid three days on progress

[grim jay]

I mean playing a spec that is mediocre and turning it into an even worse spec 🤔 sounds masochistic to me

[shrewd oriole]

assa

mediocre

pick one

all these rogue haters

😠

[grim jay]

Pick 1 get both

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/ihbhem

M E D I O C R E

[shrewd night]

M E D I C R E

[shrewd oriole]

better than like 70% of the dps specs

mediocre

thinking emoji

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/280/647/515.gif

[shrewd night]

Oh shi-

What happened to subtlety

CANT SEE YOU ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE FELLAS

[warm parcel]

56hour a week guild btw

Casual 2 day on wowprog

[shrewd oriole]

lul

[grim jay]

Mediocre

[shrewd oriole]

what fight is that lul

[grim jay]

Overall

[shrewd oriole]

or did you look at an average dps of all fights

lmao

n i c e s t a t s

boomie better than rogue 🤔

oh yeah, AHc 🤔

artificially inflating your class' worth by doing good dps on two fights, sounds like boomie

[lone junco]

If you can get the 98% env. I can see Alacrity working out. I'll run it for lols this week.

[jovial kite]

its more about 2p

[lone junco]

Prob don't have the 215 m to make it work.

[grim jay]

I mean you can aswell look at kin where it might be upper mid but there it still is a mediocre melee spec

[shrewd oriole]

who cares about kin

[shrewd night]

Kinga aka How high can your burst go!?

[shrewd oriole]

^

kin aka week 1 progression

[jovial kite]

kinga aka ordered pbs for adds

[grim jay]

Ye who cares about the bosses others are better

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

[jovial kite]

progress is over

i dont care about anything

[shrewd oriole]

^

[jovial kite]

[shrewd oriole]

just kill yourself, who cares

[jovial kite]

yep

[shrewd oriole]

life's over

[shrewd night]

Ho boi

[jovial kite]

life in the world of warcraft is over

[lone junco]

NOw that's what I'm talking about.

[shrewd night]

You got some edge there Tom

[shrewd oriole]

serrated

edge dude

[grim jay]

Dont argue about it not being mediocre then 🤷

[shrewd oriole]

EXTRA rupture damage

[lone junco]

It's all 1's and 0's. nothing matters.

[shrewd oriole]

assa is not mediocre

[jovial kite]

i didnt argue 🤔

[shrewd night]

Isnt that what you are doing tho Davyn 🤔

[jovial kite]

i just got home and saw this fight for mediocrity

im comfy with my exsang bae

[lone junco]

We were 52mins over our 15seat.

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

close

[lone junco]

4 out of 5 had never done it over m0.

Tyr was fun.

[shrewd oriole]

all melee players go WW

go go go

[lone junco]

Enh rog arcane.

[shrewd oriole]

arcane mages in hfc BOY

well

[grim jay]

No.I said it is mediocre. I did not start arguing.

@jovial kite didnt talk to you there

[shrewd oriole]

if we are all monks

[jovial kite]

oh kk

my bad :3

[shrewd oriole]

then we are all mediocre

[jovial kite]

i wish flowi was a sb so he could resolve all issues with you're all bad if you dont play alacrity

[shrewd oriole]

agreed

[shrewd night]

That meme is so dry I want to hump it

[shrewd oriole]

what meme?

[lone junco]

Was happy to see the short vuln burst windows. In seat.

[shrewd night]

Flowi for sb

[jovial kite]

Flowi for sb

[lone junco]

👎

Will be like saber 3.0

That was not a great choice.

[jovial kite]

flowi isnt unstable

[shrewd oriole]

what happened to saber

[jovial kite]

and from what i seen saber was borderline, if not, a narcissist

[grim jay]

Flowi is saber confirmed

[jovial kite]

i got some great dms too

[shrewd night]

PM me

I want to see

[shrewd oriole]

+1

[jovial kite]

probably not a good idea

no need to beat a dead horse

[shrewd oriole]

: ( but idk what happened

the horse isnt dead to me

[shrewd night]

You roostertease

[lone junco]

Orange 🍊 doesn't sound fun btw. Enjoy that shit. Unpaid babysitter 👌

[jovial kite]

i dont see the issue if you feel like you have something worthwhile to contribute

same applies to helping people out here on logs openers etc

those people who know how to help but dont, probably dont want to

[steep obsidian]

i think a lot of people are fine with helping

[jovial kite]

and those who are fine with moderating probably apply to being a moderator 😉

[steep obsidian]

even if its in the pins but some people come in and get all shitty and expect answers in like 30 secs

to be honest i dont even see that much moderation here

maybe i miss all the drama

[jovial kite]

i was talking community moderation / helpfulness in general

[lone junco]

Sure

[steep obsidian]

i think some of the other class discords get pretty bad

but i pay even less attention to those

for sure

[keen inlet]

el thonkerino

[lone junco]

Im at about my limit of helpfulness. 90% saturation.

[gaunt moat]

if you troll people with alacrity you should be a mod 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

when do I use tb

what trinkets r gud

[jovial kite]

is it a troll though if it works

[shrewd oriole]

hey guys sub or assa?

[shrewd night]

The definition is that it IS a troll if it DOES work

🤔

[jovial kite]

depends on your intention 🤔

if alacrity works and you troll people to try to get them to play alacrity

your trolling doesnt work

[gaunt moat]

i don't think he actallly plays alacrity...

[shrewd night]

*I dont think anyone

[kindred cedar]

Could anyone tell me the opener without the legendary shoulders? icy-veins only show opener with shoulders.

[shrewd oriole]

check

the guide

[gaunt moat]

it's the same

just with rupture instead of envenom

[kindred cedar]

ravenholdt guide?

[shrewd oriole]

http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[kindred cedar]

yeah but then it shows rupture at start

ah thanks

[strange python]

because you have to get bleeds up dawg

[lone junco]

that EPTB

mythic varith

[shrewd oriole]

that trinket too

[lone junco]

not bad for 5% bomb

[solid field]

is there any benefit to coming out of vanish with mutilate instead of Env? Seeing some of the orangies doing it in their logs.

[shrewd night]

Cant answer that without knowing circumstances

[lone junco]

if they are subterfuge

bracer boot

[dire phoenix]

why on the site 1 or 3 Master assasins ?

[shrewd night]

2 is a dps loss because it doesnt line up cooldowns

So its either 1 or 3

[solid field]

They are nightstalker and bracer/shoulders.. btw

[lone junco]

specifically if using shoulders

[dire phoenix]

hmmm

[lone junco]

@Bodock#2953 log.

[dire phoenix]

line up vanish with vendeta ?

[lone junco]

yes

[shrewd night]

Guess it was a badly planned vanish then, as usually youd want to want to fit three envenoms into the window instead of just two

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole wtf is this

[shrewd oriole]

?

[quick talon]

that env b4 vanish

[keen inlet]

the real question

[quick talon]

is this a shoulder log?

[keen inlet]

is when do we get another alpha build

[vernal adder]

next week

[shrewd oriole]

didnt even notice the envenom before vanish kek

[shrewd night]

Hopefully never, cant wait for the masses to go all HOW DOES THIS ALPHA BUILD MATTER TO US!? LOOKIT THE NERFS

[vernal adder]

rip "insert class"

[shrewd night]

[solid field]

They ask that question in every discord at least once a day

[keen inlet]

I played frost dk last night

was astounded at how simple it was

[vernal adder]

huh

havoc dh has hardest rotation

for your wrist

[lone junco]

yeah. the non crit env, into crit mut. to clip off the 3rd env

[shrewd oriole]

classic

[keen inlet]

ilvl 945, I cleared reg last night. purple/orange ilvl parses, mostly blue/purple overall parses

gear doesn't matter tho

right?

😉

[shrewd oriole]

good players

have good gear

[keen inlet]

lazy players can be good

:justdonthings:

[nova pagoda]

is wow back up yet

[calm grail]

I'm pretty much the best Rogue in the god damn whole world

[shrewd night]

Wow hasnt even been down today

[calm grail]

and I'm lazy as fuck

[shrewd night]

justeuthings

[hoary copper]

I finally got an orange parse for my ilvl, I'm the same ilvl as you @keen inlet

[calm grail]

What ilvl is that? 920?

[keen inlet]

@hoary copper grats, we are the pleb casual scum

[calm grail]

ecksdee

[keen inlet]

that carry the casual legion

[shrewd oriole]

no no

@calm grail 870

[hoary copper]

woo! I've been unlucky with drops and tf lately

[shrewd oriole]

that's the ilvl boosted characters are at

[quick talon]

Dont you parse orange by default if youre below 960?

[solid field]

I parse grey, but then 99 for ilvl... lewls... irgud

[quick talon]

🤔

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

[calm grail]

I had a fucking baller Hasabel Heroic parse last night

ignored every mechanic guis

[shrewd night]

H E R I C

[keen inlet]

I finally got tier helm last night

so that was a thing

[solid field]

Grats

[shrewd oriole]

gratz

[hoary copper]

grats

[keen inlet]

freed me up to play with other slots

but still no trinket

then

I open my quest bag

Gorshalach's Whatever 😦

[hoary copper]

I did heroic, normal and got zippo feelsbadman

[calm grail]

8/8 malch is bis you some kinda fedora tippin' neckbeard GET OUTTA MY DISCORD

[keen inlet]

wait

no

see edit

[calm grail]

Everyone knows heroic parses are where you measure dicks.

[hoary copper]

The Argus crappy trinket?

[calm grail]

ilvl 1k stat stick today hngggg

[hoary copper]

Maybe I WONT get a haste item today from my box

[quick talon]

I still have to wait until tmrw

😦

[keen inlet]

yeah

[solid field]

you just jinxed yourself

[keen inlet]

the crappy one

Gorschalach's Disappointment

[hoary copper]

Oh I was jinxed to begin with

[quick talon]

If you want a good item

[keen inlet]

I saw it and was like 😮 but then I remembered and checked trinket sims to confirm

R I P

[solid field]

when the hell is the spec bot going to be up again, im tired of being a whitey

[quick talon]

you have to open it with "That'll be a shitty item" in your mind

[keen inlet]

like in theory

that would be great for snd

but it just isn't

[calm grail]

snd?

Whats that?

[keen inlet]

the ultimate oldschool rogue build

obv

real rogues remember

[calm grail]

Remember when Assassination had SnD but Envenom refreshed it?

[keen inlet]

🇫

[calm grail]

Solid design

[keen inlet]

tbh it was, but it was also absurd

stabbing so fast

heh

[calm grail]

Put it up once, NEVER AGAIN

[hoary copper]

Bursting quaking fortified, meh

[solid field]

was that TBC?

[keen inlet]

there was a period where you had to maintain snd and rupt as sin without env refresh

[calm grail]

I guess I just don't like rotation items that feel meaningless

And SnD was meaningless at that point.

[keen inlet]

yeah

made sense for them to remove

idk tho

[calm grail]

I want everything to have a reason to be cast.

[keen inlet]

all the pruning has really, really simplified stuff

[calm grail]

Yeah. I think they can add complexity without being superficial.

[keen inlet]

and while it kinda makes sense, I do miss having more "to do"

right, that's the ideal

[calm grail]

Honestly, one more rotational ability would even it out.

[quick talon]

Well problem is, i bet most people dont feel that way

[calm grail]

But then they're getting rid of KB so Dispatch will just take its spot

[quick talon]

They dont want to have "more to do" while rocking LFR

[calm grail]

So we're gaining buttons and losing buttons.

It'll be about the same.

[shrewd night]

Not neccessarily talking about complexity as much as we are talking about depth. Sure, it should be easy to play a class, but hard to master.

[keen inlet]

There is some depth in sin, but as usual gear sorta neuters it

[calm grail]

I think it's a super hard task to design meaninful gameplay without creating busy-work.

[keen inlet]

when your crit is high enough and your energy regen is high

pooling/uptimes kinda

become an afterthought

[calm grail]

Sort offff

I still pool a bit even w/ good gear.

[quick talon]

nice

enjoy

no way the dev expected this kind of hype

Cant wait for the 3rd character tho

[shrewd night]

True, I pool a little bit here and there. But if its a lack of planning, or just inaccurate play 🤷

Noone will never know

[calm grail]

I really enjoy sins gameplay. The people who over-simplify it are often the ones who play it the worst. I like the little nuances of getting all the timings just right. Doesn't really get involved until you have multiple targets though. I think that's why I find Coven, Dogs, and fights like DI from last tier so fun.

I like the juggling.

[gaunt moat]

to me it feels pretty much use everything on CD
but i'm fine with that

[keen inlet]

at my gear level some pooling/planning is beneficial

I will say

toxic blade is

yawn-inducing

and i've thought that since they introduced it

[calm grail]

To be fair so was AP.

[unreal coyote]

ap

[keen inlet]

oh I hated ap

[unreal coyote]

was way worse

[shrewd night]

AP aka Trainbossnomatterwhat

[unreal coyote]

although ap did give us an excuse to never peel off the boss

[keen inlet]

No question

[unreal coyote]

i do miss that

[keen inlet]

but I don't like that TB "replaced" it

[calm grail]

AP was great for ST but having to explain to people why I was shit at swapping was tiring.

[unreal coyote]

tb was a band aid for a broken leg

[calm grail]

They thought I was being a dick but it was legitimate!

[unreal coyote]

its very common

for raid leaders to not understand class mechanics

outside their own

[shrewd night]

Best way to be a dick, having a legitimate excuse

[keen inlet]

Any alphas here?

[quick talon]

Idk in nh target switching wasnt that bad anyway

on bota you just played DP

[shrewd night]

Im alpha as FUCK BOI

[calm grail]

ME and Tom are Chads

[keen inlet]

i'm legit curious what sin's like without kingsbane

as I like the nuances of it

[calm grail]

Dispatch is a welcome re-introduction.

[unreal coyote]

i really wanted them to get rid of poison bomb

like a lot

but noooo

[quick talon]

new PB is better tho

[calm grail]

I think Pbomb will be a risk = reward choice.

[shrewd night]

According to flowi sin was very straight forward in its current state. Maintain bleeds, mut->envenom rince repeat

[zealous dew]

play pb st, ct aoe

[keen inlet]

and I want them to delete and retcon DH

not gonna happen tho

😂

[calm grail]

Do you want to roll the dice on juicy AOE or guaranteed AOE

[unreal coyote]

why is that choice considered

[keen inlet]

[unreal coyote]

engaging?

is my question

[solid field]

someone said CT wasn't that great on ST tho.

[unreal coyote]

they think thats an engaging gameplay choice

but its really not

[calm grail]

Of course is isn't.

[keen inlet]

Is CT affected by exang tho

[shrewd night]

Ive been fucked enough by PB to know Ill take guaranteed AOE any time of day

[unreal coyote]

tbh i dont want good aoe because

warriors

dk

dh

always gonna be better at that

i want dank as fuck st

[warm parcel]

assa on alpha is simple

[calm grail]

Dont forget our mastery affects bleeds too.

So CT will be p good

[warm parcel]

it is so bery basic there is nothing to it

and at the current tuning ct is dogshit

[shrewd night]

Azerite will fix it (tm)

[calm grail]

PBomb still the BOMB?

GET IT?

[unreal coyote]

tbh i hated ct

when we had it

[warm parcel]

Theyll need to redesign it a little.
As it doesnt help aoe

Rup gives energy back ct doesnt

Rup deals more dmg

[unreal coyote]

why try to make us feel like our aoe is viable

[warm parcel]

Ct still a dot so its not burst aoe

[unreal coyote]

instead of just giving back st supremacy

[warm parcel]

Theres plenty iffy things about it

[calm grail]

SO pray for the 20% God.

[unreal coyote]

the class was meant to be a st monster from the start

[calm grail]

Wait.. 24% with DS?

[unreal coyote]

why can we not go back to that

[calm grail]

😮

[quick talon]

doesnt CT also have abit of instant dmg ?

[calm grail]

Is new Pbomb 24% with DS Weak?

That is a risk I'd take.

[warm parcel]

ct instant is what 1/6 of total

So its ♿

4 per cp

[quick talon]

I wasnt saying its high, I was just asking because i wasnt sure

[warm parcel]

so whats 4 x 6

🤔

[quick talon]

12

[warm parcel]

ye it has instant component

[shrewd night]

Seems hard to balance

Either make it dogshit, or make it so good it will be spammed

[warm parcel]

yeah

[quick talon]

Are the current speccs already balanced around azerite stuff ?

[dire phoenix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DraZWKbXwqRgnzCF#fight=3&type=casts&source=20&view=timeline does my opener and rotation looks allright ?

[warm parcel]

Id rather just have something else. CT feels like a pita to get right

[unreal coyote]

they should not have brought it back

[shrewd night]

If they're smart theyll add energy regen to it

[unreal coyote]

dispatch should not be a talent either

i dont understand their choices tbh

[shrewd night]

Small enough that it wont matter ST

But small enough that it will stack up on MT

[warm parcel]

any regen means st usage

Guaranteed

[unreal coyote]

^

[shrewd night]

Depends on tick frequence wouldnt it?

[warm parcel]

baseline 2s hasted

even with 4 ticks thats close to energy positive

now it ticks like 9+ times

[gaunt moat]

@unreal coyote cause why think of a new talent instead of hemo :3

e-z

[unreal coyote]

-.-

[quick talon]

Well Im not looking forward to sin anyway in bfa

[unreal coyote]

dispatch should be an ability

just in the kit

yeah i am honestly hoping for good things for sub

[shrewd night]

Herecy

[unreal coyote]

if sub had a good t21

most of us would probs still be there

[quick talon]

If a good T21 would exclude dfa, yea

Only thing I like about sub is its M+ viability

[unreal coyote]

i dislike mfd myself

so if no dfa something more interesting

dfa is good flavor for the spec

shit mechanically

[quick talon]

I wouldnt mind playing outlaw in bfa

[manic vigil]

[quick talon]

But I've heard it isnt looking good so far

😦

[manic vigil]

It's looking great 👌

[shrewd night]

[hardy pewter]

it isnt looking good so far, in the friends and family alpha? 😄

must be dead

[manic vigil]

Last I saw it's actually worse than on live so...

I mean, point taken, it's very early. But it looks so bad I don't even see how they could fix it

[shrewd night]

Ill be disappointed in anyone that is making balance assumptions during alpha builds.

Just saying.

[zealous dew]

where is mr hand of A'dele

[manic vigil]

Fair enough. I'm just wondering how outlul could be fixed.

[scenic wagon]

hey guys, how to write macro to cancel subterfuge?

[unreal coyote]

outlaw could be fixed if it was combat again

and not some dice rolling trashcan

but someone has a pirate fetish

shrug

[keen inlet]

taking away loaded dice

and forcing it as a talent

hurt the spec badly

because it took loaded dice away from snd

and took MFD away from rtb

[unreal coyote]

i honestly would hope

[quick talon]

for the bones

[unreal coyote]

that the devs lurk these discords

[shrewd notch]

wouldn't you?

[fathom wyvern]

<— am dev

Gin ideas plz

[unreal coyote]

sure

a dev would be smart enough to not out themselves as a dev

for fear of the flood of pms

lol

[manic vigil]

Idk rtb just seems stupid to me. How could fishing for buffs ever be fun

[unreal coyote]

you think you dont want it

but you do

[mellow pier]

U guys remember legion alpha

So much will change

[hoary copper]

I'm impatient, I can't wait months for it all. Make it all happen now!

[patent topaz]

Give back symbols as a maintenance buff

💣

[mellow pier]

U mean

Give back shadow dance as a 1s passive after finisher

?

[lone junco]

@keen inlet i got a 965 Gorslach Legacy the outlaw trinket from my quest.

[patent topaz]

👌

[lone junco]

im rather impressed how much SND scales with the panteon trinket. almost caught up with my exang.

[shrewd oriole]

ye

[lone junco]

and the % total damage of the proc is on par with logs ive seen. like 12-15%

[shrewd oriole]

pretty crazy

same for enh

[lone junco]

ours is like 3

[shrewd oriole]

it's a stat stick for us

sucks

wish we had the str trinket tbh

[patent topaz]

My snd only sims 100k less than poison build

[shrewd oriole]

"only"

🤔

[patent topaz]

970 equipped sub 2m sim 😂

[shrewd oriole]

what the

trash relics or what

[patent topaz]

Think so

[shrewd oriole]

sounds like it

my 967 sims 2.2

lul

sub that is

[patent topaz]

Some adrenaline rush relics

[lone junco]

your snd gear is bad then. mine is like 10k less than exang

[shrewd oriole]

Outlaw is competitive for sure

[patent topaz]

Gear is ok except relics

[lone junco]

like 40crit 15 haste.

I dont feel like im doing anything, and look at that. holding 2.2m

[keen inlet]

@lone junco yeah but it's not good

[manic vigil]

My outlul sims like 200k lower

[keen inlet]

the gor Legacy trinket

at least sims-wise

[patent topaz]

I just simmed for the heck of it

Id never play outlul

[keen inlet]

scourgewing and cof for rtb, scourgewing and fang/etc end up way better

[patent topaz]

I get ptsd from EN

[keen inlet]

Gor legacy's just undertuned, at least for outlaw

idk how it is for other melee tbh

[lone junco]

it was good iirc. maybe it got tuned.

but i think i wound up with argus gl or argus fang. not sure.

no scrub wing for me.

my 895 cof still beating 965 stuff for rtb is silly

[keen inlet]

Gor legacy is good for RTB if 2 or 3 targets

it's pretty bad st

[patent topaz]

For me argus + wing sims within 1k of argus + fang

[lone junco]

I just wanted something outlaw for strong cleave.

[keen inlet]

sND same story

[lone junco]

it holds high cleave, but cant beat strong shoulder bombs

[keen inlet]

basically if it's mostly ST, Gor Leg blows. if it's 2+ it's solid/strong

[patent topaz]

Outlaw for lfr coven

Gofo

[lone junco]

sin probably multi dots them better.

[hoary copper]

I havent simmed outlaw, I have bad everything with it still so it's prob a lot less

[shrewd oriole]

dunno

does outlaw actually beat assa on 2 target?

[lone junco]

EP ruptures are really good.

[shrewd oriole]

I guess on 3 I can see if but only if they're stacked

dont think there's any stacked 3 target fight

[patent topaz]

Outlaw for mythic+?

[shrewd oriole]

you mispelt sub

[hoary copper]

Gor's legacy sims pretty low for all the melee from what I see on bloodmallet

[shrewd oriole]

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole gave in and ran exang for that 15 seat.

[patent topaz]

The worst thing is dfa teleport

[lone junco]

wasnt horrible. arcane offset my cleave loss. and the short burst was really nice for those Tyr boss vuln windows.

[patent topaz]

On ahc you get cleaved sometimes

[lone junco]

have 12 sec at 300% dmg? exang.

[shrewd oriole]

Nice

[lone junco]

its a pretty gross instance tho. I got bugged with wind.

[patent topaz]

15 is pretty inconsequential for testing

[lone junco]

was literally pushing my guy for about 30mins. to a random spot where a void had spawned.

[keen inlet]

It's just feelycraft but

I think

[lone junco]

@patent topaz I will disregard your opinion now.

[keen inlet]

assuming equal gear, equal skill

outlaw would beat sin on consistent 2+

[manic vigil]

Getting back into sub for m+. Derped around yesterday playing like an idiot and still performed decently. So I really forgot just how good sub is for m+ I guess

[keen inlet]

assuming 100% uptime.

but

dogs disproves me I suppose

[shrewd oriole]

damn dude

[lone junco]

@manic vigil yeah. it was nice. but man it bolsters stuff quick.

zero calm.

[shrewd oriole]

I miss cyberninja

[manic vigil]

True kek

[shrewd oriole]

Kappa

[lone junco]

40ft rats are amazing.

[hoary copper]

Finally almost put my 75th point into sin (since it was my last 110), now do I want sub our outlaw next

[manic vigil]

"oops I did the thing again sorry guys" after a 18mil crit

[lone junco]

prob sub. its worth playing shoulder cloak before end of expac

@manic vigil very

[patent topaz]

Delete outlaw swords

[keen inlet]

I'm at 73 in sub. once done I'll be 75-75-75

[lone junco]

outlaw pokers are good mog.

[keen inlet]

and I expect ion to personally congratulate me

and then I'll retire

forever

[manic vigil]

I'm 75 all for ages

Wtf

[keen inlet]

from this grindy koreanmmo-wannabe

😂

[lone junco]

77/70/69

[patent topaz]

I got 76 in sub and assa

[lone junco]

rip

[manic vigil]

[hoary copper]

I think I'm 74/65/0 >.>

[manic vigil]

Even my dread blades are 75 for a long time. Never use them ever

[keen inlet]

do you ever feel like a parried envenom

[manic vigil]

[lone junco]

parried env. meh. parried dfa is the real sadness

[keen inlet]

got one last night during my opener on some fight because bad tanks

[patent topaz]

Parried kingabane

[keen inlet]

I got so

mad

[lone junco]

symbol dance vanish dfa Parry?

[patent topaz]

Or 50% of your 15m dfa blocked

[manic vigil]

Yeah that's right there @lone junco

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/saddest-13LQfB1gv19o9a

parry dfa

[manic vigil]

Rip

[keen inlet]

noobe

you have

a lot of bloody gifs on hand

TIL: Noobe is Dexter

[lone junco]

giphy

[open notch]

Is there a good channel to post a log into to have looked at? I feel like I do decently but that I could do better

[keen inlet]

@open notch IS THERE?!?!?!

😄

HITTEM WITH THE LOGS BOIS

(post here we'll look)

[lone junco]

collection is growing

[prime void]

Just post here. Ill look

[keen inlet]

dropbox memes

[lone junco]

I have a huge folder of non wow stuff tho

[keen inlet]

i too like to live dangerously

[patent topaz]

Proc more poison bombs

The best advice

[prime void]

Kek?

[open notch]

Awesome thanks 😁 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QC81b4KDV9AGXfrW/

[prime void]

Can still parse just fine with shit pb

[patent topaz]

Its a joke?

[hoary copper]

At least there werent any surprise images in that folder

[prime void]

I am so sorry, i could not tell you were joking over text. My sincerest apology.

[lone junco]

my real meem folder is large.

[hoary copper]

Which rogue are you @open notch

[open notch]

Mandald

[hoary copper]

Oh duh

[lone junco]

@open notch bro

mid block vanish

we need to talk.

[shrewd oriole]

[hoary copper]

Ok mobile logs are shite

[prime void]

Feinting on normal

[hoary copper]

thats heroic?

[lone junco]

that vanish needs to be delayed until vendetta. and bracer window.

and buffed with TB.

[open notch]

Makes sense. Better than just using it on cd 😅

[lone junco]

you only get 4 sec to do like 20M damage.

think of it as your super move. you get one every 2 mins. dont fucking limp dick it out.

[prime void]

@hoary copper maybe i was looking at another log he posted?!?!?!?!?

[night vale]

How do you guys work out when to hold vanish? Like what if you hold it so long you miss a vanish cast?

[lone junco]

i use a TTD tracker.

[open notch]

Reminds me of the combo setup for sub

[lone junco]

know if there is > 2mins.

[prime void]

Which would make sense because theres no feint in the cast timeline noobe linked.

[hoary copper]

Impossible!

[lone junco]

I just grabbed varith heroic.

[night vale]

Ah can you recommend one noobe?

[foggy beacon]

how do you write with that background in disc

[lone junco]

exorsus raid tools has one. there are also weak auras for it

[hoary copper]

TTD tracker?

[lone junco]

time to death

[hoary copper]

ooh

[lone junco]

if <2min. know you only get that last vanish

[hoary copper]

Are you secretly a spriest too 😛

[lone junco]

therefore it MUST be in bracer

[prime void]

Exrt's is good

[lone junco]

It must be with vendetta

it must be aligned with a TB.

[night vale]

Cheers noobe 😃

[prime void]

^second pot too, yknow if we're just really elaborating on it

[lone junco]

I use second pot at ttd 1:20 ish.

[open notch]

Definitely thanks, noobe!

[lone junco]

1:30 is prob more reasonable depending on executes available

some people so really well with bracer boot. less gambling than with shoulders.

[prime void]

Im going to try and kill avatar this week. Should be fun

[lone junco]

we are going to get 2 days on argus. then rip expac.

not sure if i should go dh tank&dps or hpal for the rest.

dh tank feels very much like a dps

[manic vigil]

Dick hunter

That's fair I guess

[lone junco]

good name as well.

[manic vigil]

Is it tho

Is it

[lone junco]

ofc

[manic vigil]

It could be worse

[keen inlet]

so

does that mean

you take the power of noobs

and make it your own

I AM MY BAD PARSES!

[lone junco]

Noob isnt insult, if my name is noobe

taking it back.

[main blaze]

Cant parse bad if you dont play

[quick talon]

My DK is neggromancer

So negro isnt an insult now

or rather, cant be used as insult

[keen inlet]

I mean

bah

that's playing with fire

heh

i bet if somebody flagged you'd get renamed

[manic vigil]

Classic iWin tbh

[quick talon]

no

[manic vigil]

I'd flag you

[quick talon]

If some1 reports me

[gaunt moat]

i guess they don't know the meme...

[quick talon]

I'd get to chat with a GM

[gaunt moat]

just tell the GM "uh excuse me, it's okay, cause it's a meme"

[quick talon]

and can ask for a alpha key

[keen inlet]

lol

[quick talon]

200 IQ

[keen inlet]

gets flagged
weasels an alpha invite out of it

[manic vigil]

That confused me for a second notter

[solid field]

They'd wait till you're offline and they'd just send you an email and you'd have to rename on next login.

[keen inlet]

yeah

path of least resistance usually

[quick talon]

depends on the GM i guess

In the past I had a GM talking to me

but maybe things changed

[lone junco]

I flagged one of our guys. he got temp banned

lol

[quick talon]

snitches get stitches noobe

take care

[manic vigil]

Only in prison iWin

[keen inlet]

flag guildie
more loot for me

[quick talon]

Cant raid mythic due to roaster issues

better make sure it stays this way

right ?

[safe matrix]

Roaster issues? 🤔

[quick talon]

His guild doesnt have enough people to raid mythic, he said

and if he reports the few people that are left

he makes sure it stays this way

[bold dune]

iWin you don't have to harass a GM to get an alpha invite, you just have to not be shit and they'll give you one 😃

[quick talon]

Oh

[bold dune]

that's why I'm the only one here with access

[quick talon]

Thats how it works 🤷🏿

you arent the only one here tho

Also I guess harassing the community on the forums did work out for you, nelbur

[manic vigil]

Wow look

Two racists at once

Hey guys

[bold dune]

I'm not racist

[manic vigil]

[quick talon]

Its racist to not be racist

Just like its gay to not be gay

[manic vigil]

[crystal fox]

is it not racist to be racist then?

[manic vigil]

[strange python]

no infact its not racist to be racist

[crystal fox]

so also, its not gay to be gay?

[manic vigil]

Btw nelbur has no stitches 🤷

So you guys always lying

[quick talon]

?

what

[crystal fox]

👋 notter

[quick talon]

notter casually lurking

[crystal fox]

i just saw the best lf guild ever "heroic raider and high xp pvper looking for progressing guild" links hc kj achieve and 3s 1750

👏

[solid field]

That was me... >.>

jk

[hoary copper]

I still use ATOC KJ to try to get into heroic argus groups. Works sometimes

[prime void]

I just link level 110

[crystal fox]

well i guess if you dont have aotc argus sure

[prime void]

gets me in like 99% of the time tbh

but im also 979 bags- so that might be part of it

[bold dune]

why don't you guys just link your CEs

[crystal fox]

could be

[hoary copper]

Yea I dont have AOTC Argus, I havent had a pug get passed Kin

[prime void]

cuz im 280 wipes in on argus

and want to off myself.

Cuz we still wipe p1 consistently

[hoary copper]

CE?

[bold dune]

p1's the hardest part :^)

CE = cutting edge

[tranquil birch]

I wonder when the CE deadline will be drawn

[prime void]

we had a 28% pull last night

thinking we're finally on trac

[manic vigil]

Why don't you play with a guild @hoary copper

[bold dune]

probably the prepatch for BfA

[tranquil birch]

No way they keep it available all the way up to BfA

[prime void]

they most likely will

[tranquil birch]

-_-

[prime void]

GOTTA HELP THE CASUALS

[bold dune]

that's how it usually is

it was up until the pre-patch for archimonde and garrosh iirc

[tranquil birch]

My guild simply does not deserve it after this tier

but we'll get it in that case

[prime void]

yeah it was nelbur

[hoary copper]

The guild I'm in doesnt do anything anymore so its just social, and my server is pretty crappy for raid stuff so finding one would be a pain. and I'm east coast and majority of my server is pacific

[tranquil birch]

server xfer

that sounds miserable

[grim jay]

@shrewd night @zealous dew Guild just decided to organize a guildmeeting

Gotta KMS before I go there

I mean im a rogue

[shrewd night]

No need, slip some shit in their drinks to prove you are a proper rogue

[hoary copper]

i think I have 8 or so 110s, that'd be a lot. Of course I dont play them all but I play 2 or 3 of them

[prime void]

only need to transfer 1?

Just what you plan to raid on

that was a fast delete

lightning speed

[hoary copper]

I spose. I may or may not have an alt addiction. I mostly play rogue so it'd be that but I like sham too and at least do normal with that

I dont know what you're referring to

🤔

[grim jay]

I have every Class on 110

Rogue 2x

So 🤔

[hoary copper]

Only ones I havent bothered with are DH, DK and Hunter

[keen inlet]

every 110

but me too. It's hard to invest

hard to farm for good relics

ap grind

[grim jay]

I just transfer my Main aswell

[keen inlet]

to 75 on multiples

etc

[crystal fox]

[keen inlet]

They made legion a bit easier on alts as time passed

but not that much easier.

Still leggo grind

[crystal fox]

yeah i've always had like 5-6 chars active, now i can barely do 2