is anyone using a poison bomb proc weakaura?
#assassination
safe tiger
devout hollow
me neither which is why I switched back to not caring
valid moss
I wish I could play Human dawg, defenetly best animations
T3 looks sick on human female
uncut shuttle
isnt antorus normal set so good?
valid moss
chu mean
valid moss
yea and too many people using it, idk
uncut shuttle
believe me t3 is the most general one
valid moss
not really, out of all its hardest one to obtain
and it actually looks sick as fuck
marvelous piece of pixels
also there is lots of "wannabe" T3, people who use trash drop boots from karazhan instead actual Bonescythe Sabatons, and people who don't bother finishing set with bracer piece "because its invisible anyway" or belt "because you can hide it" xD
thats why I say, 8/8 or gtfo
calm grail
🤔
uncut shuttle
you judging him for tiny bracers :"(
valid moss
what do you mean x(
strange python
t3 will become boring trust it
stray trellis
Is sin life sucky without any MA relics?
crystal fox
i just tanked aggramar LFR for a good 30 seconds, never thought i'd be tanking on my rogue..
cerulean aspen
is your life depressed 🤔
half sundial
🤔
midnight latch
depressed life sad life
valid moss
we need poison bomb proc chance relics
zealous dew
that would be awesome
solar rose
@safe tiger https://wago.io/Hk1vhe_rM Rogue in my old guild made this.
safe tiger
thx
strange python
Why does agi have so little value for us 🤔 I remember reading a guide and it was the first stat
But isnt it basically just +ap? How can more +ap be suddenly worse
valid moss
raidbots say its shit = its shit, thats how it works fam
crystal fox
and there we go,sephuz,last sin lego
fast nacelle
valid moss
necrotic embrace = no parse for you
sharp viper
you don't stick them hard enough with the pointy end and you don't proc enough poison bombs
and i would advice playing with subterfuge if you are playing 4set t20
civic palm
What's your artifact level? > _>
sharp viper
you waste combopoints with mutilate and garrote, dot uptime is fine
vernal merlin
my Artefakt level is 70
sharp viper
time to farm some AP
civic palm
I asked because surge of toxins isn't in the buff list but it's not in mine either so w/e.
civic palm
Yeah had a setting wrong.
👍
Anyway, better Garrote uptime, better Surge of Toxins uptime, stop holding things to line things up, it's ruining your uptime.
crystal fox
https://i.gyazo.com/1e9e9c65a9a06ad2c64e05bb28674bd4.png we did it reddit
finally over 2mill sim
civic palm
👍
vernal merlin
@sharp viper thank u 😃
sharp viper
i have to disagree, the garrote uptime is fine with 98%+ is fine, subterfuge is better
holding toxic blade is bad mmmkay (unless the target is about to die), with that fight length you could have gotten 10 toxic blades in, it was only 8
valid moss
👌 @crystal fox
civic palm
Had another log up with 92%, 98%+ is more than fine.
sharp viper
major cropping skills
lone junco
marker adds the white space
sharp viper
what is that sim trying to tell us
lone junco
oh. thats just the average uptime of sot
sharp viper
your marker points at the benefit tho and not the uptime, yet it is unclear to me what benefit is supposed to be in that case
lone junco
dunno the diff between benefit and uptime. I pointed at the wrong one.
probably has to do with the first sot is triggered before it gets used by a poison. but dunno.
or stuff still up when the boss dies.
@strange python check the sim timing use of that trinket. if it goes off in the opener/vanish, and also in around 2min during a vanish, and is shit , then it sucks. but if the sim just fires it off solo at 2min, the sim is wrong.
on use trinkets can be used in bad spots. and sim probably does that on cd.
sharp viper
what do you mean before it gets used by a poison, with average luck around your mutilate you should apply your first dp
lone junco
i dont know why benefit is different from uptime.
civic palm
Can be seen as effeciency?
lone junco
it also be when you apply rupture and env back to back.
civic palm
uptime is total time over the total time of the fight.
lone junco
you could be getting theoretical uptime. vs real fight duration uptime.
sharp viper
and why would a sim do that
civic palm
literal vs. effective
¯_(ツ)_/¯
More granularity.
Also for effectiveness calculations I imagine.
lone junco
you cast env and get 5 sec, then rupture and get 5 sec. you dont haev 10 sec due to overlap
they both proc sot
@strange python 2min. with use at opener.
a bit better than 945 fang.
for me.
lone junco
i agree. people were shitting on is ^^ because Sim said so.
but they didnt look to see that the 2min trigger was just fucking blind
just like the nibble ring. fires off blind at 3mins.
civic palm
Yep.
lone junco
no vendetta. no vanish env mut env mut env
12k agi added to an exang would be real.
civic palm
👏
lone junco
in the end 2min buffs are harder to use than fang.
civic palm
I mean you can spam them and get a decent use out of them, that's for sure.
That also follows along with the general calcs. that people use to find the "weight" of an On Use trinket versus ICDs.
lone junco
there is a funny saying in traffic modeling "syncro says so". basically the concepts are complex, so you basically blindly believe the software.
thats a good way to get yourself fired.
but i digress.
civic palm
Well with the hopes that the thing this is all based on is done well enough that calcs. don't fall through the cracks and give erroneous results.
GL with that.
lone junco
water modeling is similar to sims in that we look at actual flood marking (wcl)
when stuff doesnt seem right, it probably isnt
lament abyss
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hzcdSJGyGt79rMJFbkTYTz is the gem in the belt here meant to be 200agi? first time using this
wise frigate
200 mastery
lament abyss
oh so dont use a 200 agi gem anywhere then?
civic palm
agi is very bad atm
lament abyss
ahh okay
wise frigate
Agi is just a smidgen ahead of haste for me atm. Which should tell you everything you need to know about agi.
lament abyss
it was pretty high for me on https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mU8DSHs9wuPWse2qZ8rbs1
which is why i asked
lone junco
yeah. just go with mastery thn.
lament abyss
thanks
sharp viper
i know it feels weird to prioritize "secondary" stats over "primary" ones but most of the time it is beneficial to go for the sim weights
civic palm
Yeah Mastery is just way too good for us at the moment.
sharp viper
that or crit, depending on gear and which legendaries
dire spoke
👀
primal marsh
3 cp rupture, yes or no?
broken kelp
4+
slim siren
Hey. anyone know how many ilvls a CoF is worth?
gaunt moat
@slim siren look at the pins, there's a link to it
tired aspen
Anyone know if Deeper strat is better w/ 4 set than vigor?
or is it personal preference?
hmm, interesting. I've been seeing a lot of high end parses going deeper strat instead of vigor
unless they're bleed build maybe
but I don't think they were
tranquil birch
He's been saying his prayers to pb god
manic vigil
the motherload of all pbombs
slim siren
that parse is crazy af
warm canopy
yeah, think i got double pb procs during vanish, and adds up
kinda wish i had a proper flask on now 😄
manic vigil
that's a nice murder squad you go there tho
everyone's a friggin killer, even the tanks and healers
warm canopy
just a random pug, worked out well
manic vigil
(except for the poor sub rogue 
)
sharp viper
25% pb dmg and only rank 4? LUL
warm canopy
apparently its hard to BL on pull, someone had to drums at like 40%
lilac fable
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HBYGdKhnxQJNT8Lj#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=18
Does anyone mind going over this Garothi log? I feel like I got the hang of the rotation but my dps is abysmal. It looks like I wasted a lot of combo points with seal of fate. Are there any easy tips to this problem?
civic palm
Do not Mutilate at 4CP, otherwise there's nothing else you can do about Seal Fate proccing.
valid moss
99% still, out of curiosity im gonna try and find rank1 world log for that
this one is rank 5 tho, damn dawg those poison bombuzuz
coral karma
So in the guides it says to run Nightstalker for Bleed build but wouldn't you want to run Subterfuge because of the Garrote damage, or am I missing something else?
gilded lark
yeah, rupture damage
coral karma
Oh, ok
gilded lark
vanish -> rupture hits hard mang
safe matrix
snapshot rupture
vapid moth
@warm canopy what was your overall dps
warm canopy
3.5m i think? can check the log if you click summary
vapid moth
I would’ve but I get the additional info less easily on my phone
vapid moth
Yeah. No real point in good logs unless it brings you to the very top
vapid moth
Are you saying the belt isn’t viable?
sand flax
Haha it is, we just started tho. So a feral pal and I were just using it to get into intermission faster
vapid moth
I really see no point in that. Getting to intermission 10 seconds faster ain’t that big of a deal for me
gilded lark
lol, you also don't raid mythic
sand flax
That 10sec saved us from doing an extra technique
vapid moth
True broad
warm canopy
hard to get top log though, unless groups let you on fights like that
top dude has adds living forever and rupture on all of them
vapid moth
My loyalty runs too strong. If I were sensible I woulda joined a mythic guild 2 months ago
wise frigate
That is a lot of PBs.
winged flame
Does Gnawed Thumb Ring affect any of our abilities?
wise frigate
It's almost like the exact same sim can give different results.
bold dune
did you actually feel the need to sim cloak cdr vs sprint cdr
coral karma
lol
prime void
How does avoiding 1 technique really make a difference :0
fervent beacon
Guys, nothing is better opening than this. Git fokin gud.
Less damage going out to raid?
prime void
Yeah cuz techniques are what make agg "challenging"
fervent beacon
Have you killed mythic agg?
fervent beacon
I hadn't made it that far yet, but I would assume that the damage is greater in mythic or with additional mechanic
prime void
Techniques are pretty minimal. P1 is a joke.
Pushing to 80 is free on that boss.
Plus agg has a long af execute- making bracers pretty fat.
coral karma
So is the reason I'm supposed to run Deeper Stratagem mostly for the Vanish + Rupture combo?
^(Bleed Build)
dire spoke
one step to bleedy build is ready https://snag.gy/uZJ1Kk.jpg
oh nevermind it's not a bb
lol
gilded lark
tranquil birch
Remember when rupture damage relics were bis?
coral karma
Hey guys, I got Sephuz for my first leggo... fun...
gilded lark
cool
tranquil birch
We've come a long way
dire spoke
ye
crystal fox
they dont have shoulders
safe matrix
not the one I'm looking at
prime void
Because its a slight dps gain.
fleet hill
I lose 10% crit if I put shoulders on. fuck.
dire spoke
when first rupture proccs PB and you have vend up already 
tranquil birch
@gilded lark fooled us all
tranquil birch
I mean citing wowhead tool tip was pretty convincing
dire spoke
what should I buy for relinq https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6jDxbLcpC1XCuTS99BueDu
I could go for bracers if I put on boots
cus only 935 in pocket
crystal fox
relic or trinket or bracers then?
dire spoke
trinket 🤔 to much rng
tranquil birch
you bonus roll the tier gloves?
crystal fox
blizz is refusing to give me a tier head above lfr item lvl
sharp plover
RIP
crystal fox
gave me 975 tier cloak instead
sharp plover
I got super lucky on heroic
dire spoke
lol that was legit the ilvl I rolled from velox
sharp plover
960 head and 965 legs both tier
Feels kinda sad killing imonar mythic and outgearing the tier piece already on first kill tho tbh.........
dire spoke
okay, fuck you too game https://snag.gy/YhBmOo.jpg
crystal fox
hehehe
gilded lark
gratz, you earned it
dire spoke
that's why I doin't even do these stupid invasion points for more argunite
sharp plover
I mean unless all you do is LFR or normal
supple hearth
I stopped bothering with relinquished. Nothing 910 is worthwhile for me and the chances of me getting something decent with a good ilvl are very small
sharp plover
You're gonna need a lot of luck getting something useful
crystal fox
i really dont have any reason to continue trying to get another lego, got my last sin lego today, and spent essences on a sub lego to get gloves,got gloves, now what 🤷
primal marsh
leggy shoulders really better then boots?
tranquil birch
depends
crystal fox
what's the bis legos for outlul 🤔
tranquil birch
bracers shoulders insig
primal marsh
depends on what @tranquil birch?
tranquil birch
Off pieces, how much crit you have, how many targets there are. Shoulders better for M+ for sure
crystal fox
so then i got bis for SnD outlul aswell, now i just need outlul bracers
tranquil birch
oh longer fight also going to favor boots
tranquil birch
yeah that's true
just in general, longer fight = more energy spent = more vendettas (maybe)
off pieces will def be the biggest factor
primal marsh
ty for answering @tranquil birch
compact pewter
Hi guys am pooping
primal marsh
so shoulders and boots are fine to use
tranquil birch
Ideally you want wrists
primal marsh
ok
sharp plover
Bracers are really good
gilded lark
ideally, sim yourself
sharp plover
Vanish+Rupture at 30% with wrists is THICC
tranquil birch
crystal fox
shy kestrel
make sure you’re simming for proper times too (heroic vs mythic killtimes & variation)
coral karma
Ew, Toxic Blade. lol
primal marsh
I have bracers on 970 and i dont know if I should use essence to upgradr to 1000 or wait for more essence to get shoulder or boots. I have prydaz 970, sephuz 970, insignia, refuge 970. i have 600 essence now. could upgrade refuge and wrists.
tranquil birch
on cd rabbit
shy kestrel
if they’re both up, tb > kb
tranquil birch
actually if they come up at the exact same time you're ok to hold tb for last 9s
unique minnow
i thought it was kb then tb
primal marsh
kingsbane dot dmg is getting higher with more poison applied, wouldnt it be better to apply tb for the last 8 kb ticks?
shy kestrel
you either hold for tail of kb or use before
crystal fox
tb on cd
shy kestrel
under no circumstance would you kb and then tb immediatly
tranquil birch
Don't take tail buffing to seriously though. You loose potential casts by holding it to much
unique minnow
as an opener it should be kb then tb
crystal fox
no
gilded lark
no, in opener it should be tb kb
tranquil birch
📌
gilded lark
i like how he asks what the answer is, then tells us what the answer is
except he's wrong
primal marsh
do you envenom during sot or do you wait until env 0.1 left?
gilded lark
primal marsh
he didnt say the answer?
gilded lark
primal marsh
that was the question or not? ^^
tranquil birch
Opener is right in the 📌 guide 👺
gilded lark
this was the question
tranquil birch
lol
primal marsh
surge of toxin, have an eye on it for envenom?
shy kestrel
yeah i’m just agreeing that he’s based
primal marsh
ok ^^
tranquil birch
lmao
shy kestrel
crystal fox
sub sims 200k lower than sin for me, no go on trying that out
primal marsh
I had a lot of trouble to figure out if should care about sot or not. was like trying for 5 hours last night and get no result on my own testing
shy kestrel
if you’re into testing, working with the apl is a lot more reliable than dummy abuse
tranquil birch
just clip env debuff and your SoT uptime will be fine
primal marsh
which app?
primal marsh
oh i dont know how to use apl :/
gilded lark
educate yourself
primal marsh
i tried to test with apl but aynthing i put in, didnt change the dps 😄
tranquil birch
Or you can just listen to what the tc's say who do it professionally
primal marsh
Testing on your own worked better for me often, then listen to others.
gilded lark
show them r1's then fam
tranquil birch
just no
fleet hill
Simming will always be better than testing on your own
civic palm
Show me dem PBombs boi!
primal marsh
testing includes simming
gilded lark
which you're apparently not doing correctly if you don't know how to change the apl
primal marsh
yes thats my problem, apl
tranquil birch
Like we actually can't help you if you're going to believe your own in game testing over the math that's been done in simc though
dire spoke
apl is never working, always broken 
primal marsh
but in legion beginning, when frost dk changes come to live server in emerald nightmare, dk tc in discord were simming unholy was higher then frost, but i did my own simming and stuff and found out, they were wrong. i got blamed and insulted for my simming. but when patch was on live, frost dk was like i said, way better then unholy
shy kestrel
yeah but dk is and always has been mongo
primal marsh
yes
crystal fox
computers can be wrong! puts on tinfoil hat
tranquil birch
Do it your own way then
primal marsh
thats why i swapped to rogue 😄
tranquil birch
enjoy green parses
gilded lark
not nice
civic palm
You can mash buttons and blue parse 😛
civic palm
Question them, because they use items in stupid ways.
gilded lark
nah fam the TC's only do one iteration when they make changes
if it comes out on top they roll it out
fleet hill
Man I dunno how I feel about the shoulders.
shy kestrel
always look at the sample sequences
primal marsh
na @tranquil birch I am not saying ppl are always wrong, but if anyone say, something has to be the right way, I dont follow them blind and ask myself, if thats true what they say
shy kestrel
and the apl, obvi edit what you think is sketchy and you’ll find out if you’re right
you usually won’t be, but everyone will like it if you are
civic palm
and you will know that you are wrong and why you are wrong :"D
E N L I G H T E N M E N T
shy kestrel
A C H I E V E M E N T U N L O C K E D
crystal fox
i've beaten my sim several times, so sims cant be trusted,right guys? 🤔
civic palm
Get yer pbombs outta here nerd!
shy kestrel
were you poisonweaving?
dire spoke
poisonfapping
civic palm
The APL can't be and should not be completely trusted because it uses On Use trinkets wrong, Thumb Ring wrong, and Vanishes wrong > _>
dire spoke
every day
primal marsh
@crystal fox sims are just an average of like 25 000 fights, depends on your settings,
crystal fox
it...was...a..joke
tranquil birch
lol
civic palm
Original Chicken Sandwich from Burger King still good, mmmboi.
crystal fox
damn you mizerok, dont make me hungry you 🥄
civic palm
Every time I have one I am like DAMN that's good.
primal marsh
When I switched back to rogue I was lowest dps, then i figured out, you can use garrote out of stealth 😄 That was stealth only in previous expansions...
civic palm
Yeah Garrote being the way it is now is new.
T20 would have been fucking BAD if we still had the older Garrote.
crystal fox
wait what
primal marsh
yeah i was like thinking about, why t20 was good and ppl were crazy about a dot which is only useable in stealth
crystal fox
garrote has silenced for a long time when cast in stealth hasnt it?
primal marsh
it still has
crystal fox
oh you said out of stealth
primal marsh
3 sec
civic palm
Garrote silences for like 4 hours in BfA.
primal marsh
4 hours 😮
civic palm
and Subterfuge is mega mega nice so long you have the energy.
civic palm
Blind is still 2min CD unless that was changed recently.
civic palm
10 second evasion is hawt though
primal marsh
evasion and blind are now on 1 min cd with bfa
civic palm
Gonna have to prooooove that.
primal marsh
Blind Blinds the target, causing it to wander disoriented for 1 min. Damage will interrupt the effect. Limit 1.
Cooldown changed from 2 min cooldown to 1 min cooldown
crystal fox
dont diss the red rocket
civic palm
Just noticed that they nerfed Cloak > _> thanks.
wowhead is a shitty website, especially with script blocking off.
Won't load correctly.
Blind being a 2min CD was dumb anyway > _>
primal marsh
btw dispatch comeback
civic palm
Yeah but I don't think it will win over MP atm.
primal marsh
lets see, depends on the dmg calculators for poison
civic palm
Long ways away from ability numbers being in a finished state though.
Dispatch had it's damage halved recently, making it just about as damage as Mutilate.
primal marsh
I am hoping for 35 % execute assas again
I like it, if rotation has to be changed depending on boss hp, aka executes. but warrior execute is boring
civic palm
I like when Wowdb doesn't load icons correctly O _O
primal marsh
😄
civic palm
Pink boxes now O _O
Dispatch
Exploits the vulnerability of foes with less than 30% health, causing (240% of weapon damage ~> [74.4% of Attack Power) Physical damage to the target. Mutilate has a 35% chance to make your next Dispatch free and usable on any target, regardless of their health. Awards 1 combo points. Assassination Rogue - Level 15 Talent. 30 Energy. Melee range. Instant.
74.4%, no thanks.
Nah it's better, Mut got shanked as well.
Well... not really.
Instantly attacks for [ 37.82% of Attack Power ] Physical damage.
So not better, only when it's free.
Execute seems... bleh.
civic palm
ooo
hazy flame
something with a lot mayo
civic palm
Chicken Tiki Masala
clever oar
guys just a question without the shoulder leggo
prime void
like so hungover its gettin delivered brcause im not getting out of bed.
civic palm
I like spice to get over hangovers.
clever oar
should i use shadow focus ?
devout temple
how much % would you say SUb is better for mythics
prime void
shadow focus ?
civic palm
Something hearty, chicken noodle soup.
devout temple
How much better are they
civic palm
Read the GUIDE. Front to Back.
devout temple
try
devout temple
on average what would u say
civic palm
SUB is 30% better, 120% of the time. Until you are @ M+25, then SIN is better by 12%, 41% of the time.
prime void
Fkn perfect
devout temple
ok thx
gilded lark
what he said
prime void
Throw those %
devout temple
i guess il just stick w/ my afflock then
prime void
Why tf
civic palm
THAT WASN'T AN OPTION!!
gilded lark
hats on boys
devout temple
mostly because I find sin really fun
prime void
is like playing without autism and then with.
coral karma
I feel like I shouldn't only be doing 600k dps at 919 iLvl
devout temple
i like the ST a lot on sin just wish aoe was a bit diffferent
coral karma
Hmm... damnit
civic palm
Tabard or no tabard?
coral karma
No
gilded lark
do you
civic palm
Better than whoever is in there.
coral karma
You don know me
gilded lark
because the weirdos in here don't do tmog questions
civic palm
My kinds weirdos.
The kinda weirdos.
That can't stop telling you to read the guide.
coral karma
I want a colored name ._.
gilded lark
i want you to stop seeing race
uncut shuttle
Guys, whats the benefit from subterfuge in posion build? More garrote damage? Why ppl taking it
gilded lark
they arent
uncut shuttle
Just curious from logs
devout temple
So all of you here swap specs to do most M+?
coral karma
No, Bleed build all de wae
uncut shuttle
Bleed build is more legit for aoe?
devout temple
i think this is why i started playing clases that only have 1 dps spec
they give them st and aoe
well cept Spriest
coral karma
idk, I just like Bleed build
tranquil birch
subterfuge definitely sims higher for me with boots/wrists
wise frigate
I go Outlaw or Sin, whichever I'm in the mood for in M+
safe coral
Yo so is assas better then sub atm ? im hearing diffrent things
wise frigate
Depends.
uncut shuttle
@tranquil birch Trying to learn basic. You use subterfuge for what? Whats benefit having stealth spells
tranquil birch
just the bonus garrote damage with vanish beats out nightstalker in my sims
prime void
@devout temple the majority of us who are pushing 20+ swap to sub for keys.
uncut shuttle
@tranquil birch I see. So without shoulder, why its gains value?
prime void
man 2p4p subt is so fun on coven.
devout temple
ew
gaunt moat
@safe coral play what you enjoy more.
that's the best answer you can get in regards to what's better.
tranquil birch
With shoulders you can get a night stalker buffed 5cp envenom guaranteed crit. So yea... but still just sim yourself to find out which is better for you tbh
civic palm
yeah nothing Rogues have at the moment is so bad you should avoid it.
Unless it's Alacrity.
nimble tartan
any fried chickenn expert here? whats the tastiest piece of fried chicken Breast
Thigh
Leg
Wing
Tender
dire spoke
I had a strange moment today after vanish in my opener ... just got 2 CP 
assume I buttonsmashed to hard
dire spoke
uni 👋
tranquil birch
😏
supple flicker
It happens to me sometimes zempai
manic vigil
I'm trying to get my sub in order again. I totally forgot how to play it and shit. Rip 
need to not be sucking ass as sin in m+
tranquil birch
4p makes it feel clunky imo
dire spoke
ass as sin 
FUCK DUDE
tranquil birch
I still play it on eonar and pk
manic vigil
yeah trying 2p2p
dire spoke
@manic vigil you see what you even did right there?
tranquil birch
I just don't have good t20
manic vigil
yes
dire spoke
that was gold
manic vigil
thought you might like it
dire spoke
stop pretending
manic vigil
you are a rather simple fellow after all
prime void
Yeah naw screw playing sub on any aoe boss with 4p. better off with sin at that point
dire spoke
sub is really good on eonar
tranquil birch
yeah I can't imagine palying sin on eonar
manic vigil
afking is really good on eonar
tranquil birch
lol
manic vigil
and letting the monks and dick huntards do it
🤷
but yeah I guess if you have to do shit then sub bursterino is gucci
coral karma
so does 730k dps at 919 sound more accurate?
tranquil birch
depends on legos
manic vigil
might very well be yeah
coral karma
Insignia xD
manic vigil
could be worse
coral karma
of the Grand Army, not Raven
manic vigil
can't really judge by ilvl imo
tranquil birch
NH days
manic vigil
my wl simmed 700k with 910 and 1.2mil now with 940
that's fucking low still
no set
crap leggos
manic vigil
rip
gilded lark
3 toons now around 1.5
manic vigil
that's more like it
vapid moth
i never scrolled over broads pfp till now
gilded lark
jesus
civic palm
Remember that those numbers are skewed due to carries.
and very short fight durations.
gilded lark
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jQmxX16kCRfFGKhD#fight=8&type=summary the last log of broadsides
manic vigil
so what are we doing with sub. aoe derp setup 2p2p mantle cloak, contract glaives. weaponmaster. switch to gloves mantle for bosses?
tranquil birch
Every 960+ in that guild that got beat by the 918 rogue should never hear the end of that
like wow
civic palm
haha
wise frigate
Did they just like take a ring off or something?
Or throw on all LFR tier and LFR level gear but with good stats and just go mongo with PBs
civic palm
I kinda wanna do a heroic with green vendor daggers.
tranquil birch
that would go poorly
gilded lark
skewed hard
tranquil birch
no artifact traits
gilded lark
918 with the stats of 950
wise frigate
Or 918 or whatever it was
dire spoke
@civic palm oh my god I need the mannoroth daggers back and try it
fuck KB
alpha feeling
gilded lark
"traits? you mean talents?"
dire spoke
oh
thought I missed a meme
lol
did you see the demonology spell animations vid on wowhead?
how lame is this
the bombers pewpewpew
dire spoke
it's not a discussion or laugh about other classes channel 🤷
gaunt moat
neither is this...
gaunt moat
(i'm not saying this as a mod, just like... it's already published there so why copy here)
gilded lark
this is not a slay the spire chat either
gaunt moat
irrelevant to what i said
talking about STS though
i'm stuck at ascension 4 with the silent 😦
gilded lark
noob
sudden trench
Question guys - what is the best race atm for Rogue on alliance?
gaunt moat
can't get a good deck going
@sudden trench check pins, there's a link to herodamage where it's listed
sudden trench
ok thx bud
gilded lark
budzoned
gaunt moat
@dire spoke it's pretty cool how many demons you can have at the same time
dire spoke
that yes, but the "animations" - like where are they
gilded lark
wip
dire spoke
not enough fel fire
or demons burning to dust when they die
hello?
applying for blizerd design team
tranquil birch
oh that'd be cool
dire spoke
it would look like you had taco night
gaunt moat
i think more along the lines of the attacks themselves, to make them more flashy
tranquil birch
I have a hard time believing you can really make rogue animations that exciting, but 🤞
gaunt moat
we'll they're pretty blend
maybe the only cool one is fan of knives
tranquil birch
DfA is pretty cool if you forget about the aids loss of control
devout hollow
lol TB
small green poke
i dont mind any but I guess im not zoomed in enough to really notice what my guys doin
civic palm
Yeah we need flashier attacks so we can make cancer like this -
https://media.wago.io/screenshots/B1pLWH_-f/5a2ac42b1004ce318052a0b5.gif
void pecan
What is that quality.
civic palm
Too flashy for GIF
dire spoke
jiff
civic palm
But that is the normal GIF quality, nothing lost from the upload/embed.
gaunt moat
that UI is really cool :o
don't think i could get used to it though
devout hollow
yeah idk bout that one
dire spoke
I would call it a "viewer" kind of UI if you stream
to much going on to track stuff asap
civic palm
Yeah because what the stream viewer needs to see, is the same animation played twice, for every spell.
civic palm
MMMMMMMMM fresh jerky tomorrow mmmmmmmmmmmmm
dire spoke
jerky puss?
dire spoke
civic palm
Mage that was entirely leveled for Velf armor done, what neeeeeeeext.
Timewalking is basically cheating > _>
dire spoke
do you get this velf mount right away? and does it count towards total amount
crystal fox
how is timewalking cheating?
civic palm
~250k exp. per dungoen
20 dungeons from 100 to 110.
tyvm
+10 bonus objectives just to make sure
though that's not needed at all
Just like, some of one zone.
Think I am going to level my priest as healer from 100 to 110 to make it faster > _>
Also the DPS queue's are like... 10min.
Velf mount is from unlocking the allied race.
dire spoke
yeah I totally forgot that I only have horde 🤦
lament slate
what legendaries should i use for m+ trashes?
dire spoke
mantle-bracers
vapid moth
What is that ui. I’m intrigued
As much as I hate having a shit tong of stuffflashon my screen
lament slate
thanks
manic vigil
manic vigil
I'm exhausted
spent 2 hours getting my sub shit in order. a whole lot of simmerino gelatino
no more sin ♿ action tho
dire spoke
nothing to sim with sub, just masterversagi and u gucci
dire spoke
sub sets 
manic vigil
yee
mantle cloak, mantle vigor, mantle gloves
etc etc
two billion trinket combinations
rip
dire spoke
😮
manic vigil
and in the end it doesn't even matter because I don't know what buttons to press anyway
time well spent tho, would do again
dire spoke
- linking park
white quest
Can someone explain why kingsbane with mantle always gives 3 cp? shouldn't it be 1+1 with crit?
dire spoke
you have two weapons @white quest
white quest
Ah okay, so it just says "the kingslayers" vs mut specifying both weapons, that's why I was confused, thanks!
dire spoke
also 2CP = mut
3CP = mut + off- or mainhand crit
4CP = mut + both hands crit
simple math
🙏 gul'daddy M today, pray for mount
finally can test my stream setting
vital yoke
guys is the cape any good for mytic +? for assa i only have ravenholdt ring and kil'jaeden trinket
for single target im simming higher with trinket and the ring
but for mythic+ im not really sure wat would be a better optimization
civic palm
3CP, your shit got partially blocked.
dire spoke
I get 3CP from KB out of stealth every time 🤷
civic palm
That makes sense though.
worthy marten
gilded lark
I use a can opener
civic palm
I use a meme but google fucking images is shit now.
Alright alright...
For my opener, I recommend;
https://www.jawsoflife.com/uploads/product-images/product-groups-edraulic.png
Of which brand you ask? Well you can find our recommendation here;
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
Alright, so with vendor weapons, I can do ~680k DPS. EZPZ LFR
zealous dew
I use a custom one, pushing random buttons and praying for pb
pb on opener = skill
chain pb last 30% = skill
civic palm
Also, get a Chinese wife and assimilate their culture, ezDPS.
zealous dew
prob tells you to move out of melee with inferno bolt
hollow wren
somebody have maybe pawn for assa pvp?
junior furnace
thoughts on gorshakachs legacy?? 915
gilded lark
it's bad
safe matrix
We had one titanforge to 980 in heroic the oter day
its a shame its such a shit trinket
echo cargo
Pretty trash unless you're coordinating like a hero in a keystone
dire spoke
@zealous dew do you by chance know any top200 affli streamer
We're at coven
and maybe it's a good source
safe matrix
Maybe ask in the lock discord
nimble basin
does anyone know of a wa/addon/macro that announces when you get a poison bomb proc?
nimble basin
may I have it? xD
gilded lark
no
nimble basin
:/
quick ice
dire spoke
thank you shantal
compact lodge
@nimble basin
zealous dew
or fragnance
dire spoke
yeah a guildie actually knows jimmy (:
pine brook
hey guys
i got a question
when does IL become more important for a relic then what it gives?
viscid helm
never
pine brook
ok, so just gun for the bis ones dont care about IL
shrewd oriole
Sjele is a really odd guy tho
I raided with him for like a year and a half
He’d say really creepy shit every now and then lol
dire spoke
won't apply for Fragglene then 
gusty plinth
is there wa for poison bomb:D
gusty plinth
aye but cant find the one im looking
viscid helm
I have this https://puu.sh/zql4o/8f6245f789.jpg
prime void
is there a reason really to track pb procs ?
zealous dew
to annoy tanks in m+
warm geode
@prime void is essencial, is part of strategy to outcome the other rogue dps , u say on discord how much pb is proc on the duration of the fight to make him nervous and lose dps
shrewd oriole
If you track them you can tell all your raiders whenever you get a proc
prime void
but I just see the green :0
ornate gazelle
What's the buff Mantle gives you and does anyone have an icon weakaura for it?
stark tinsel
What's the best spell to bind Blood Fury to for SIn?
shrewd oriole
Vanish probably
fast pond
best legendaries for m+?
orchid prawn
i just stay shoulders/bracers the whole time, switch trinks for aoe/st tho
fast pond
not cloak?
orchid prawn
havent tested it in a long time tbh, stopped cause i didnt get big results like sub
viscid helm
why would you ever use cloak
orchid prawn
because stacking buff to FoK sounds like a good aoe lege
if you havent tested it yourself
viscid helm
no it doesnt
mild fable
With Insigna of Ravenholdt (it's the best leggo I have right now), is there a time where I'd want to Mut in aoe instead of FoK?
viscid helm
no
mild fable
ok then
cold stream
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
ornate gazelle
flowi sounds fun at parties
shrewd oriole
+1
dire spoke
skewed WA icons are ♿
just told my officer how I'm feeling about the roster and how it affects me 
viscid helm
wish i could get benched as well
shrewd oriole
Whatcha told him @dire spoke cmon don’t tease us like that
dire spoke
Oh well how should I cut this down
shrewd oriole
Hit me up raw
dire spoke
I mean I don't play well because it's not worth it rn. I don't get benched and so doesn't anybody else. We have like 6 players who could possibly aim for top500 - then we have some solid learners, but also ppl who don't even know before the raid how to get to the fucking mothership at Eonar like 2 month into content. I could press feint but I don't. I would love to minmax more but there is nobody to activly talk about it on a more personal way as it is here on Ravenholdt. I don't even know how "good" I could play and can't even parse because I tick down on some damage or need to play around others to much
dire spoke
I mean I don't need to clear every raid in 1-2 month, but I also don't want to clear it after half a year. People seem not to respect / care enough about what we are working on like me
viscid helm
hey
gaunt moat
i don't buy that "I don't play well because it's not worth it rn"
gaunt moat
you base your play on others performance?
gaunt moat
stfu flowi
viscid helm
gaunt moat
we've all seen how try hard you were on agrammar
quick talon
stop emoji spam pls
crystal fox
😫
dire spoke
I don't really know how to explain this, it's been a while. We first pulled the last bosses a week before the patch the last few tiers. It just does not matter enough for my survival in the Roster or current try because it's still better than most of the crap others stand in
ofc I feint when I stand in an aoe swirly
but I don't read through every single ability currently to check back if I could avoid
because I have like 300 pulls time to find out at some point
brisk forge
🤔
shrewd oriole
You’re part of the problem
If everyone in your guild thinks like you you won’t improve
gaunt moat
i guess the bottom line is, do you die? ever?
cause as a rogue, you're not supposd to die
shrewd oriole
If you’re that demotivated, change guild
brisk forge
Well changes guild with that attitude wont cut it tho 🙈
dire spoke
Well note that I have no problem with changing that "attitude"
exotic glen
damn flowi, seriously man, why dont you just quit the game?
you dont sound like you enjoy the game in any way at all
gaunt moat
even when i was at a rank 2000+ guild i played to my max ability
so i can't really empathaize with you
what you're describing, is the same attitude that you complain that others exibit
brisk forge
That is the issue with alot of players, lost the fun part 😬
exotic glen
agree with notter, i was the same back then
crystal fox
i play to my max ability even in lfr 🤷
shrewd oriole
Nah real talk
I play worse because people around me aren’t performing!
No one cares therefore I won’t care!
What a terrible in game and overall life attitude to have
You won’t make if very far in a job thinking like that
brisk forge
Nah as a boss myself i wouldnt hire you 😜
gaunt moat
I mean, can you imagine applying to a guild, and they go over your logs
and see you died a lot
and you tell them "yeah i didn't care cause other players were bad"?
shrewd oriole
You should strive to motivate people around you
shrewd oriole
Legit any player who says anything like that @gaunt moat would get insta declined
From any guild with any idea of what they are doing
exotic glen
why? we're not talking shit
shrewd oriole
I am
shrewd oriole
Lul
shrewd oriole
Tom defender of the cheese, shit talker
quick talon
first of his name
gaunt moat
soon to be "Tom. The muted from every channel"
shrewd oriole
Tom the inpatient
viscid helm
Why would you say i dont enjoy the game?
brisk forge
Lol
exotic glen
because you keep talking about how much you dont care about the game and dont want to raid etc
i have never seen you say 1 positive thing in this discord at all
shrewd oriole
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Who did this
😂😂😂
quick talon
Try talking about alacrity if you want to hear from something positive from flowi
brisk forge
Welcome to games, doing things alll over again and again xD
dire spoke
Well I said I don't know how to explain it and it reads shitty because I'm not EN
@gaunt moat I did die on Imonar kill due to running through bridge on my 10th pull ever, my guild had many pulls more
That's what my deaths mostly look like - either wipe it or some action I need to suddenly do on a phase I never saw
If I'd minmax damage input I would need to feint other players mistakes and that's just a thing I do not do because it's obiously going to be a wipe if it's a problem when people stand in the wrong place
exotic glen
you're gonna be miserable for the next long amount of time then
viscid helm
this is why i only raid 3h a week
shrewd oriole
Why did my face get deleted 😠
gaunt moat
cause it's starting to be spammy
exotic glen
😡
shrewd oriole
Playing around people’s mistakes if a big part of raiding
It’s why tos was so heavily criticized
brisk forge
Was about to writebthat
crystal fox
dont make someone elses mistake your mistake -My old raidleader
shrewd oriole
Exactly
exotic glen
you dont give up on an attempt because you personally deem it a failure. you play your best until a wipe is called
brisk forge
Be the person that make up for other ppls misstake and the raid can keep Killing the boss
shrewd oriole
Idfk no one has gear on alpha lol
calm grail
Ahh
dire spoke
yeah don't get me wrong plx, I start with playing around it when I see that player X understood what he did. But most of the time it takes many tries and thatfor I don't see the urge to minmax my own performance
shrewd oriole
We have like, 900 ilvl gear
gaunt moat
From how it sounds, it seems like you see someone else making a mistake
and you just give up
exotic glen
our point is just that its not only their problem anymore, you're making their problem your own by letting it affect you
brisk forge
If you do tho, you will be even better if you strife to be as good as you can be in all situations
exotic glen
because you just give up
shrewd oriole
Not like you can find a new guild with that attitude either
exotic glen
you're never going to be able to find a guild that will never do mistakes ever