#assassination
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I know you play Bleed Rogue, but if you played assassination Rogue, you probably don't change gear that often except maybe on Kin right?
shoulder boots for kinga
Yeah, that's all I change up.
I don't even bother trying to cheese damage on eonae
Eonar*
id laugh at 95% logs on eonar
that would mean
you were actually whoring
on the most afk boss of the game
for the only sake of logs
I'm assigned to the 1st ship
after that
i just AFK
at the ship
for the rest of the fight
quick question, stats for rouge: stack mastery as much as possible or does mastery have a hard cap?
ruush
<- Eonar is like one of my best fights... Feeeeelsbadman
melee cant be targeted by cone im p sure cause during prog we had a hard left cone bait
and i never went over ther
and never got targeted
Makes sense with the method offset cone. Melee to the interior. Range ext. swings the cone to the outside edge every time.
Or I'm seeing it wrong.
the way mechanics in wow works is they setup tier lists on who can get targeted by x mechanic
so it can be like Ranged>>>ranged healer>>>>hpal>>>mleee
when they designing shit
Don't half of them just end up being threat related though?
so could be we are p low on that tier for that specific mechanic
that it just doesnt happenn to us
no
its totally random
member when you had to use threat reduction / threat redirection for boss mechanics
i member
<- legion baby
member when timer was 5 4 3 2 1 1 sunder 2 sunder 3 sunder 4 sunder GO
A lot of those mechanics probably have hidden triggers it's just difficult to determine with any real certainty
it really isnt
im pretty sure they dropped it to the point of not being controllable by players
probably not
because otherwise there would be things to play around such mechanics
They're probably still too random to actually play around
no
Easier than 'true rng'
thats simply not how they work
can someone give me WA for 2set sin
ye come watch
Who are we watching
i am not
outlaw is leaking again
spec bot is ded
nobody Virulent Poisons WA?
im -999 skill in wa
Should just watch tutorial on youtube or something
on making simple buff/debuff WA's
gonna cover pretty much all of your needs
why would you want a WA for it since it's gonna be up when you clip other buffs anyway
I don't get it
dont tell that to Weak
lol
coz its shorter then surge
you can
while KB maybe?
idk, still learning tho
sub hit me hard
forgot all the sin
at least I started to clip / back2back SoT while KB since it obviously modifies the base damage
anyone got some advice for AHC?
is surge affected by how many combo points the finisher has
the debuff's tooltip on the target says no
but who can trust this shite
let me test something
2% per cp
oh shit it is relevant
but actually doesn't change anything
you don't force 5CP
at least I don't

@warm parcel can melee bait cones?
what do you mean
ppl still saying that surge scales with cp notlikethis
@worthy thistle what do you mean? it does
Because it does?
no it doesnt
@warm parcel if melees can bait the position where the cone goes
prove it
I have 153k KB ticks without SoT
159k with 2CP
168k with 5CP
cone is just random person
@worthy thistle http://www.wowhead.com/spell=192425/surge-of-toxins
sot scaling was proven 1Β½ years ago
whoops
doesnt prove anything tho
you should test it
Common knowledge at this point
the unlisted KB lowkey triggered me I had to comment lol
ye ima test it tomorrow but pretty sure people are just assuming at this point because everyone says so
cones go on anybody apart from people with rages @shrewd oriole
im pretty sure i have seen ranged with rage get targeted by the cone π€
Yeah they can
π€· better than wowhead
In fairness, it's actually right about this
alright ur right
testing > claiming
@warm parcel rogerbrown and method josh were on a vod and said that melee can't bait cones.
are they even relevant? 
mizuxe yeah I asked in the warr discord
top 20 warr main theorycrafter said you cant
i need a good tabard to submit to my guild we are changing it!
@tender adder ask in Paladin Discord https://goo.gl/Z82C4C they have a thing for tabards and hero complexes
said you cant
as in melle can not bait cone ?
@main blaze melee cant get cone period
regardless of rage/fear
Really?
I didnt know that
Strat is just to stack with ranged for a good part of p1 so never noticed
huh thats interesting. Now I know how I will drop soublight from now on
esp with the mongo ass strat my guild uses.
I like method
1 type of buff left and the other right and the raid splits and it works well
Just to make it clear for me, melees don't get targeted by cone whatsoever?
And does it work for all difficutlies?
okay
sorry I couldn't find a source tom
Hopefully your RL will belive π¦
I looked for like an hour lol.
goodguy mizuxe π
Link would be nice
mhm
It's on a vod somewhere
I just couldnt find it
and didnt wanan sift through 2 hour videos
ashine (officer for wiping as intended and probably best sub rogue EU) on pms
@prime void I mean the one with mystler ... not sure if josh was there and so
Josh, Rogerbrown (on stream)
oh
RL for walkthrough Cirranor
sorry 
and a few more poeple
see
to me half a dozen people saying the same thing counts as a source
π
that's why I like this place π
I like sin channel a lot during the slow hours
I can't keep up during the fast hours lol
2 am
I go to bed late and wake up whilst you're sleeping
3am here
so you see me a lot
opener for assasin? is..
hmm so no vendetta? ugh my friends are idiots
what do you mean
they said theres a new opener where u start with vendetta
Never heard of that :/
saying chineese players use it for a dps increase
ahh i see
vendetta opener reminds me of symbols post dfa @shrewd oriole
kek
well if it does more then its better no?
but on topic, I feel like vend out of stealth only is an increase if you have good connection
if you can't buttonsmash like a retard it will do shite
imo
What do you you guys think of the alpha
holi faaak
Does evasion do anything on M Argus
Guild is driving me nuts telling me to evasion edge of annihilation and boss scythes for positioning
Makes no sense as to why you would be able to in the first place
you can dodge whirldwind on ahc
yo with poison build do you ever use vanish to apply a buffed rupture? or just to vanish envenom
he asked about argus lol
I know
but ahc is pretty much the only thing you can evade xd
I answered for argus
no you didnt you answered for antorus
omg
get along
"you cant evade it"
nobody cares who is right
nothing to do with AHC
I know
holy shit you are dense
lol
anyways
yes you vanish rupture sub 30%
1 iq
you guys must be fun irl
!mute @shrewd oriole
@shrewd oriole is now πhere!
thank you!
"does evasion do anything on M argus" "yeah you can dodge adds in AHC" you didn't answer his question at all though
1 i q
dude was annoying as hell, everytime i look at this channel hes talking about some nonsense

no need to be that desperate to prove you're right.
and hipz, can you calm down as well?
dude calls me retarded when he doesnt know the difference between argus and antorus π
What the fuck did I start, calm the hell down
Pretty sure Tom knows the difference lol
then why say you can dodge the whirlwind on AHC when they guy was clearly asking about mythic argus? makes no sense. then when i point it out he calls me retarded. ok
ok, get over it.
I like turtles
clearly not. do you wanna keep arguing with yourself?
Tom, Defender of the Cheese - Today at 8:26 PM
you're fucking retarded, I answered his Q before the AHC comment
clearly he did
they're both physical aoe
!mute @fiery nest
@fiery nest is now πhere!
π
thank you
ty!
π
if you don't understand what a "side comment/note" is don't start to argue about it
#cleanhouse
Wait what
you need to learn when to drop it.
I wonder what percentage of mutes on this server come from this channel
Is the mute serverwide?
this is the most active channel
and we don't mute than often actually
lmao
I'm quite surprised he didn't go to spam other channels
if they wanna keep arguing they can keep doing it in DMs
but i'm pretty sure both have had enough
That was a silly argument
Many of them here are lately
@bright mantle Yeah the vendetta opener is actually the one currently used in the sin apl. Koji posted in tc a couple weeks back https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/228879086515126272/406335006391402497/unknown.png
since we're at it
I have this odd scene where KB comes off CD for the first time after opener and rupture is at like 10s or so?
do you refresh rup early there?
or am I just being stupid
If you pool enough energy before kb you will be able to refresh durring kb without env dropping
i don't really refresh rupture at 10+
but there have been cases i did on 9
can't say it's ideal though
well don't do that
just make sure to pre-pool before kb and it shouldn't be a problem
alright
Also make sure you're "clipping" the envenom debuff and not just spamming in that case
because you know you're going to be needing a little extra energy if you will need to also refresh rupture in addition to maintaining the env debuff durring kb
well I even try to clip SoT while KB since it's relevant
I'd only worry about getting a cast off for the last 5s for SoT, otherwise just focus on envenom uptime
the poison applications are more important
not sure if praise or insult π€
XD
does insignia of ravenholdt work on toxic blade/kingsbane?
@tranquil birch yeah sure, it's not easy to min-max when you don't really know how you end up with energy
what do you mean?
yes cyat, it should
didnt someone say recently that kb doesn't benefit from sot?
was debunked, wowhead is wrong
Ah
I mean you can pool as much as you want, at some point you will drop env from either not enough energy after X finishers or cp cucking you
doesn't happen for me π€· might need more crit
yeah I'm at 29% base
ahh
What doesnt happen for you? Dropping envenom ?
100% evenom uptime
not very much
lul
Linm logs ?
Link?
okkk
Oh boy
like it happens sometimes lets be real
well you drop env while rup refresh, you can't play around that all the time
stop making me feel bad
All I'm saying is you should be able to refresh rupture without it being a massive problem with a good pre pool
But crit is always going to come into play even if you do play around it
pinned messages got boring... i need a meme to pin π€
Pin nelbur
oh god
Lol 3.5 s in to do 4 garrotes
lol hand of david? it was just a women look at a light XD
on another note I have mostly around 15 wasted CP with seal fate on ST fights
soo yeah idk where to optimize really
15 is normal-ish
how do you check that again
This but poison bomb over god's head
all time favorite
oh and assassination symbol over Adam's head
@spare cloud resources -> (dropdown menu on the left) combo points
Thanks
Like most of the time I waste cp is when I got 4 cp before kb comes up
and I still have an evenom up
I usually have rupture cucking my KB timing
hey anyone with a razer noga that can help me out ?
Well idk
there usually is no problem refreshing rupture in kb
when you save before hand
Tom playing cards against humanity everyone http://prntscr.com/ifwa6j
you mean rozor noga?
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/426/Woll_Smoth_original.jpg
I have a test in a few hours but I cant sleep which is nice
good luck :X
good thing i have 5 more tries if i fail
i tried to sleep at 1:30
given up at 3:30.
fuck me.
I felt asleep during the day
): notter
you want to talk about something? what is going on
yeah same
):
Well guess I'm failing today, not like I would get a good grade anyways π€·
listen to some notter asmr
Why is it not pinned yet btw
thought the asmr session was like a few days ago
Vlasic vs Oh Snap π 22,900βοΈ Special Spirits Of Lights, Eating Pickles Moist Crisp Crunch For Calming RelaxationπΆπ»Subscribeπ Big Crunch Pickles https://youtu...
this is the shit
thats actually cute af
why is it that when I maximise a video in discord my client crashes
idk, it's bugged
happens to you as well?
yeah
yeah it's like my favorite 2017 game
I really enjoy the atmosphere the game brings
π€
Evening friends
I totally didn't know about that game
I've played 8 hours so far, its really worth it
what game
Hollow Knight
oh
Yeah it's solid
also @dire spoke 15 wasted cp is totally fine
if you're at 3 cps and you muti, which is the correct play, you can be wasting up to 2 cps
that moment when you crit too much
think he's refering to the guy in the sub channel
these are all just randomly selected logs from my weekly wednesday heroic pug
so fair to assume you can easily waste cps
well with higher crit values I assume it's even easier cus you end up 3+3 more often maybe
or that
eww
super easy to waste cps
if I had 40% crit I would try anti 100%
I have like 30 + 24 from traits so
or say 35% + trinket
my eoc is only 940 π¦
I have 945 fang
ending up 36% crit with the buff
if I'd end up 40%+ I would try anti
how many BB do u have
lmao β€
wtf
heh, can you delete the text?
not bad
yea
I have 3 malchs 1 mass 2 bbys
hello?
eoc is too good π¦
cuz I'm a good player lol
what do you mean
Good at game clearly
just edit your message
exactly
ahh ok
good players get good pbs and tfs cmonbruh
what do you mean my cousin got 980 bracers on his first normal run ever and he's 13 ahah
that's why I got 985 gloves huh
Yeah I got 3 bis first legos
@tranquil birch hello?
Bc Iβm good
@shrewd oriole what's your weapon lvl?
I'M WORKING ON IT NOTTER GEEZ
Yeah you need to get better at legos
what's to work, just delete the text before the image
I have a 3 ilvl weapon upgrade in bag but it's a second mass
well okay
so Igotta wait on a better iron relic
thats 11 higher than mine
the text where you tagged me
I know, I replaced 960 relic with 945 still upgrade
what the
idk what the rabbit wants
dont use the A word
@dire spoke ss ur stats and what do you even sim at
haste is worth as much as agi for me π€
My day has been madeβ€
i like the TB censor XD
interesting if you put it into context, golganneth's vitality is 5k haste
sfw π
π€
SS 
@shrewd oriole to be fair you did a 16 panth sim there, you cheeser
with 8
20k dps π€·
arent you troll? that's literally the dps difference between troll and belf ahaha
I also tried today
need at least 970 set-head + 970 offset gloves
to outsim set-gloves
yeah u'll be hearing gloves forever
should try and get aggra pants
so you can go tier helm chest gloves cloak off piece pants
let me sim that
thing is
even if I get the upgrades I'm missing
I can only go up 16k, aside tf aside
well,
30 something k if I get my relics fixed
and then another 15k ish k if I get eoc 960 but that's fringe
Damn that's the first 2.3 sim I've seen
he's not 2.3
so realistically, I have like, 30k dps left to go to be at a realistic "max"
that's depressing
I'm not 2.3
im 2.75
I'm saying that after we kill argus and I replace my 945 pieces
ahh
I'll be 2.29
lol
I'm only 2.3 when I fix my relics and upgrade my heroic legs and helm
which will be a week or two after I'm done with argus
yeah same for me, I need like the 4 right items until I can change my setup
damn on argus and still heroic legs? feelsbadman
lol
heroic ring as well
Now i want to sim too
you say your relics are bad
my weapon is 983
and i have a light speed and an envenom trait
i barely sim over 2.2 π
I don't say my relics are bad, It just completely isolates me from switching around gear
I'm wearing a 970 MAlch one with FoK
: (
are you on full farm yet?
ah you can easily get relics then
but yea
Find another guild that raids on the other weeks
What is this "anti" people are talking about with high crit?
cba opening wow and doing another one
Oh got it
yea i was just seeing how much it varied by adding pantheon
kept it open from a couple days ago
I tried it but I didn't like it. I have 37% with food/flask and I have trinket from dogos 965
yea
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my relics? they are not bad for poison π€·
My relics are shit. I have 3 malch but the ilvl are 945,955,955 and only one mass malch. Need 3x mass/malch so I can rock boots.
matt still writing btw
Yeah I think he might be asleep on keyboard
Face roll?
@shrewd oriole good eye Tom, with aggra pants it's easier https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vbjV7sRgzp2VSwwyCj7bJZ
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u1jUyBUHNWN8TgA6dT5zqv I heard my gear is very good
Aggr pants are gud, I wear them all the time with the Garothi shoulders
Or sometimes leggo shoulders bracers
I want to go back to bracers boots
I don't like Legos in tier spots.
well it won't happen to me anyway to get both 960 forged
so I just cry in my corner until BfA
@shrewd oriole boost me
sounds like a player skill issue
πΊ
cmon you have till august to kill argus u can do it
I have 965 from heroic for aggr pants and a 960 Garothi shoulders from heroic. We got a 985 shoulder but I passed cause I can't wear when Lego shoulders Sims better.
tbh 985 garothi shoulders would make you wear bracers boots forever
I have them 950
I simmed it the shoulders for me was like 10k dps loss
crazy lol
hard to beat top shoulder parses with good bomb rng
Well I have 1 mass
exactly
shoulder bombs are pretty huge :\
If I had 3 it was 140k increase
I also tried around with bracer+boots, even subterfuge ... all loss
I like bracers shoulders
My mastery is bad tho
I can't get above 195% with food and shit at 968 equipped
damn your mastery weight is so much higher than mine
I want to fold and go back to exaang
ahah
Been struggling for months trying to get to 200% without massive DPS loss. Just too many high ilvl pieces with bad stats. The 5 weeks of verse haste gloves 970 from the cache doesn't help eitber
I had 208% when I switched from sub to sin
now I'm optimizing on crit and loose mastery constantly lol
I think my mastery is like 50 points of DPS per and crit is like 46.
Question: Do rogues die?
if ur bad
All rogues go to heaven
Answer: if you dont dodge shit, yes
Rogue survivability is high for sure
Cool. My healer needs confirmation
Cheat death is amazeballs
Cheat death doesnt make you imortal
you get 1 get out of free card
What the
No but it stops you from dying when you make a mistake every once in a while so you look like a boss on total uptime on fights when learning
to certain degree
Rogue defensive are batshit broken
^^
CD can prevent your death to certain damage done to you
and not everything that 1 shots you is your fault it can be someone else screwing up
Feint is probably the most broken one of them all
We are frail sir
so its like 100m damage, you're just going to fucking die
π
There are no 100mill hits
So glad they are nerfig feint
If youβre not doing content that can one shot youβre doing easy content
well yeah cheat death has been capped at double your health since like late cata or early mop
Lmao
If damage is high then either cloak evasion or feint will work
π€
I gave you my heart?
And the very next day you gave it away?
No cast time poison
Back in cata
Bring it back
the moment when you need to feint, but you can't because soulcapa procc
π
I just want some better relics
My votw count is creeping close to 200
And I've got 1 940
I hope they buff shamanβs defensivas
Shamans so shit
I donβt get how a melee class can have one defensovr
i dont have a problem with shadow ones iron ones suck coz the monks always keep em :\
I kinda want to try a caster next expac
I fixed my status. 30% crit 196%mast sounds about right? Which way should i go now? More crit or mast?
mast
Got it, sir
But I'm scared after 14 years as tank/melee I will sucketh the wang
This tier will go on for month until bfa... no need to rush for relics... pretty much pointless
Well, when your THE big dock single target in the whole guild, you wanna stay that way
I'm usually about 100k higher than the next dps on garothi
Who is this monk ?
You need the hanz and Franz mythic + farming work out to pump you up
Has a weird accent on a letter canβt recall which
If you're top dps in antorus your guild is shit π€ right?
I'm not top on aoe fights
@dire spoke for sure when on Eonar
well I can't top 5 on vari, tbh I don't even know why
But every week on garothi someone's got a hard-on they are going to beat me and they always end up in the dumpster.
Monk beats rogue every right tho
on vari we have spriest, frost dk and fire mages going insane
Eng is really high
But dh 100% beatable
We don't have that either
I'm glad that I'm even on logs
We have 3 boomies, 2 sp, several other rogues ranging from one other decent one, to a couple who don't go to mythic ever that single digits %tile every fight
They all do like 3 million on athc and eonar mythic so does the fire mage
So useless fights π
Lol, as a rogue 13.5/10 can confirm
bois today is the day
I finally don't need to sit on mobile internet anymore
hope I don't have to call the tech or something
i'm looking through the assassination rogue guide, but it doesn't mention an opener for nightstalker without shoulders
it only mentions shoulders, subterfuge without shoulders, and exsang
Reroll
need them shoulders
π¦
not having shoulders in 2018 π
oh man.
π
π mize
dab on them baddies
How far behind on charts is Bleed build comapred to Poison, cause I'm having more fun on Bleed build but don't want to lose to much dps for picking it
It's not so far that it matters.
ok, ty
Now get your beary hand outta heeeeeeeere!! β€
lol
is there a resource i can use to look up someone who i ran a mythic with within the last couple weeks?
there was this gnome hunter named "Mitts" or something with the sickest mog i've ever seen and im tryan find him
it's time
is the leggo back any good for aoe?
for sub it is
and for assa? i dont have boots not ravenholdt or wrists
for sub its π© π¦ π¦
for assassination youre better off just focusing on your ST
Assassination AoE is pretty much hope for PB procs
multi dot and PB it up
giggle π
hi ^^
ugh I'm to stupid to find good OBS settings
toss out 1-3 rups, FoK and π
someone live logged this lfr π
Im gonna ask a noobish question.. how can you make PB proc more often
its funny how much worse you can do in lfr. when tanks are pulling dogs all over full sprint
ty
@small plinth finish 4/5cp, and pray more.
What boss noobe
dogs.
seems that its dropping more with other rogues.. does mastery have something to do with increase of proc?
The other rogue had bad dps
so did i. thats like almost 300k under my normal.
fannnnnnnnfuckingtastic.. lol. tyvm guys
How would you guys rank insignia of the grand design with shoulders vs empty crown and shoulders?
www.raidbots.com gear compare
I installed DBM today to tank on the DH. Is there any way to edit where all the fucking bars appear on the screen?
did you even look at the settings
or did you come here without even looking
cuz that shit is pretty blatant.
@zealous dew ran some M+ as sub. and remembered immediately why i dont like it.
the burst dps gibbed some shit, and bolstered something to be like 20ft tall.
I did
I tend to miss blatant shit cause stuff I need tends to be hidden. You wouldn't believe how long it took me to find the S&L additional settings
burst was nice, and it does ok with the explosive orbs. but bolstering and bursting are just nuts.
tbh rogue sucks on orbs
badly
i like em as warlock, soul flame + shard π
for su b you need a tank always pulling 6 mobs
at least
even on bosses
zzz
watch drjay stream, have a look when he plays with ashine
warlock is slut and plays his game, mage and rogue need specific pulls
pull this, pull that into this
blabla
best one is BRH before 2nd boss
they even waste 1min to make him spellsteal 10 times arcanist debuff
steal eat stea eat
just to burst packs
sounds fun for others
sounds like an insane waste of time
yeah but doing that they don't MC the cat and guess what
splat after 2s
or when bop runs out
someone know how to put, blood of the old god (ulduar trinket) forhigh ilvl?
What?
Oh you mean find the high ilvl version of it. Ulduar Time walking. Where have you been man it's only been here since reset
sub
I play completely around the tier
Is this even possible at 35% (base+trinket) crit non-anti?
I mean, I have to try but it seems like CP will cuck me
you can play around the tier no matter what gear you have
Yea doesnt mean youll get 100% uptime
it just looks super fluid on your rogue, that's why I'm sceptic lol
just get 80% muti crit
i mean you could play Alacrity
seems like I need to pool more to do a clean cycle
or you could jus tunnel the boss
π
:=

rupture cucks me mostly even outside of KB
I drop all 3 modifiers for like 3-4s because I need to pool after refreshing rup
moar crit!
yeah
kinda
clipping and refreshing get super tight if I end up with 2 or sometimes 3CP, and then I get energy starved
anti could help with reserve CP
I'm bound to 3MAss
wai
π and tf set-gloves
you play mantle ?
yeah





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bye bye wifi
also it's early, shush