assassination

[lone junco]

but same thing

[dense quest]

but easier to play at all levels?

[hoary copper]

Hopefully I'll get an hc kin kill today if I can find a pug

[lone junco]

if this is a reasonable measurement of "easy"

[gilded lark]

It's a reasonable measurement of bottom end dps

Our baseline is higher

[lone junco]

rip survival

lowest min lowest max

given: (allboss is a shitty metric)

I think I blew a blood vessel in my eye earlier.

[keen inlet]

@gilded lark wait waht

sorry I'm actually working for once

[lone junco]

@crystal fox 👏

[hoary copper]

Amazing even on hc people miss the big glowy beam from Kin's hand

[keen inlet]

beam

BEAM

BEAM

dead

^ my voice chat

[civic palm]

THE CLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW how did you miss that?!

[keen inlet]

like how much can he telegraph it

[hoary copper]

Sounds about right. I mean I'm pugging so I can't have high expectations but still.

Maybe he should yell "IM GOING TO LASER YOUR FACE!" before he does it

[keen inlet]

by the time you finish that

they'll be dead

[hoary copper]

with a big glowy mark

[keen inlet]

I feel "BEAM" should get the point across

[hoary copper]

true

[dense quest]

maybe they should make a blaring horn sound when he shoots it

[civic palm]

It's the same as people that yell for healing.

[drowsy island]

i see some sins at high keys

[civic palm]

Bitch I can see you...

[crystal fox]

what's even more amazing how people die to it on lfr where its superslow

[keen inlet]

HEAL HEAL HEAL dead

[hoary copper]

I mean Kin should yell that

[keen inlet]

oh man

flashback

to pre-nerf lfr Durumu

hahahahahahahahahahahahah kill me

(ToT eyeboss for those who forgot)

[hoary copper]

Didnt play for....whenever that was a thing

[civic palm]

late MoP?

[hoary copper]

They should bring back Heigan type dance

[crystal fox]

lfr durumu, everytime it died it was like 5-6 people alive who carried

[vapid moth]

raids are extremly annoying now that i cant one shsot bosses

aaaand i just died to a pandaria boss 🤔

[dense quest]

are you experiencing the content?

[civic palm]

bahahaha

[vapid moth]

no. im fucking 961 ilvl

lmao who put that wheelchair there. lemme see you all solo the boss first try

[civic palm]

Which boss?

[vapid moth]

Amber Shaper in Heart of Fear

[keen inlet]

nah amber shaper is probably impossible again

it was impossible to solo for a while

then we outscaled it

[vapid moth]

ffs

[keen inlet]

and then they scaled up

"scaling won't affect raids btw"

mmhmmmm

[civic palm]

Until now.

and... earlier.

[keen inlet]

it'll be worse

with stat crunch

guarantee it

[civic palm]

WIll just break again again again.

[keen inlet]

"stat crunch won't affect old soloing!"

mmhmm

[vapid moth]

well. does anyone wanna help me?

[vernal adder]

no

[vapid moth]

either gotta burst him down fast enough or pass the stupid mechanics

[keen inlet]

I mean

you can't really

you just have to burst him

[crystal fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413833735717388288/414164098213871617/unknown.png that's how you kill 2nd kingaroth add

[keen inlet]

because of stacks/amber form/etc

use drums

etc

[vapid moth]

no drums sadly

[keen inlet]

@crystal fox pbomb btw

[fervent beacon]

I'm running sin tonight on mythic kin because my guild dps isn't good enough with me running OL.

[vapid moth]

oh good. i got him

[fervent beacon]

[lone junco]

good art btw.

[crystal fox]

indeed

[vapid moth]

getting 3 tier tokens from bosses and having none of them be for rogues some straight up bullshit

[fervent beacon]

I'm hoping to get 965+ gloves from kin tonight

[vapid moth]

i have 960 gloves from him. they meh

[crystal fox]

at aggramar right now and hoping for a damn tier head above lfr level

[vapid moth]

was a sorta bittersweet win

[keen inlet]

club no tier head btw

[fervent beacon]

We wiped with 8m health 😂 😂

[keen inlet]

have yet to get loot off agg or arg

feelsgreatman

[fervent beacon]

Not even a panth trinket?

[keen inlet]

def not

lol.

some trinkupgrade items tho

[fervent beacon]

[keen inlet]

those are useful 👍

[crystal fox]

im definetly getting amanthul tonight

[keen inlet]

someday

[hoary copper]

I'm not looking forward to pugging hc coven

[fervent beacon]

The trick to getting it is to kill boss weekly

[lone junco]

pugged coven last night.

was a mistake

[hoary copper]

Portal Keeper was bad enough

[fervent beacon]

I avoid heroic ABT pug 😂

[hoary copper]

I'm finally getting hc groups without aotc

spose I could fake it

[vapid moth]

do rogue tier tokens just not exist in HEart of Fear? wtf is this

[valid whale]

Just gotta PUG right at reset

[fervent beacon]

RNG

[valid whale]

Find a 960+ group

[vapid moth]

what Mousse said

[hoary copper]

I'm 945 >.>

[vapid moth]

i forced my guild to do shit on tuesday cause thats whne the little ones can be carried

[valid whale]

:X guild?

[lone junco]

@hoary copper i tried sneaking up from varith. but I carried varith and then wiped 10x with a guild progression on coven.

[fervent beacon]

@valid whale I had a 965ilvl rogue not knowing how to sim his Outlaw for stat weight and he's doing 850k dps 😂 😂

[hoary copper]

Yea I probably should find one of those

[lone junco]

@fervent beacon ran with a legit CBB /DFA outlaw the other day.

https://giphy.com/gifs/bye-well-yikes-l0HlvtIPzPdt2usKs

[fervent beacon]

Ilvl definitely does not matter at this point, my 934 enhance shaman does 800k with ok leggos

[hoary copper]

I believe it, I hate coven on the other difficulties. It snot hard its just coordination

[fervent beacon]

Lol how did he do @lone junco

[lone junco]

not good man. not good.

saw the dfa, i was like Sweet. sub inc

. . . wait what are those cannonballs.

ST canonnballs tbh

[keen inlet]

wow.

[hoary copper]

I did almost 1.3m at 944 on immonar and out dpsed quite a few higher than me. 94% for ilvl, ALMOST my first orange parse...least for ilvl

[keen inlet]

that's pretty much

the worst build

you could do

[lone junco]

fun tho

pew pew pew

[fervent beacon]

I joined this 5+ Mythic group, saw the sin rogue running MFD and I mentioned that he should be running VR. Got kicked and told me that he does great DPs and doesn't need help

[lone junco]

💣

[fervent beacon]

Fresh 870 boosted rogue doing great dps 😂 😂 😂

[hoary copper]

Obviously the 870 knows best 🤔

[fervent beacon]

And I was a healer on shaman so obviously can't carry the dps.

[lone junco]

last time i heard " I dont need a guide to tell me how to play" was a 970 ilvl sin with geen/grey ilvl parses.

made me so happy.

99 overall heroic. 25 ilvl

literally trash.

good jorb

[fervent beacon]

I don't need a guide telling me how to play
Grey ilvl parses
Why am I getting declined for raid.

[hoary copper]

Our boomkin in guild used to say that too @lone junco his top parse was a 14% green, everything else was 10% or lower. He was 945 not able to do 1m damage.....

[fervent beacon]

[lone junco]

no excuse for greys man.

unless you dead

are you dead?

youre not dead

[fervent beacon]

I sure am dead on the inside

[hoary copper]

I died on PK and still ended up green lol

[lone junco]

same

[fervent beacon]

The only reason why I would get grey parse is if I died basically early

[hoary copper]

But you know according to that thread earlier, WCL people are just bullies

[lone junco]

orange overall grey/green ilvl

im bully.

I guess

[fervent beacon]

[lone junco]

is why tom made me mad. i puched myself in the face for sucking so bad.

[gaunt moat]

yeah, you gotta stop bullying people with all your graphs

Noobe the Data-Lord

[fervent beacon]

More like Notter stop bullying bullies.

[hoary copper]

Should change your name to that

[gaunt moat]

lol

[crystal fox]

i like noobes pictures

[lone junco]

same

[gaunt moat]

ok now?

[fervent beacon]

I think noobe pictures need more in it

[hoary copper]

ha

[fervent beacon]

Or rather

[gaunt moat]

heathen

[strange python]

Jo anyone got a weakaura for the Mantle of the master buff duration?

[hoary copper]

Shouldnt that be a PB icon?

[lone junco]

just copy something else like env or ep and swap the buff name

[jovial kite]

@gaunt moat notter

thanks for allowing me to use global emojis again

im done with shenanigans

i promise i wont shenan again

[hoary copper]

Lies

[lone junco]

i guess that works. random img dot com

[bold dune]

feelsgoodman

[fervent beacon]

[exotic glen]

my guildmate had a good question today

do we still fok on st

almost told him to check pins

[lone junco]

did you ask him if he has pk relics?

[vapid moth]

lmao

[lone junco]

then say GET RID OF YOUR GARBAGE RELICS

[exotic glen]

i'd be surprised if he has any relics

[vapid moth]

do you guys use your keys to lei shens palace?

[keen inlet]

@fervent beacon be kind

to those

less fortunate

#draenei-isms

[bold dune]

@fervent beacon @keen inlet did both you idiots miss the "alpha" lol

[lone junco]

ayy. if we moved to EU, cause US sucks, where should we go?

or aus

[keen inlet]

my wave was because your life is donezo

at least mine would be

if I got alpha

[hollow junco]

US is a great place to live if you have money

do you have money?

[bold dune]

dius was implying that I uninstalled WoW

but uh nope

[keen inlet]

right well

[hollow junco]

if no, you're not welcome in trump's america.

maga or something

idfk

[keen inlet]

i can only speak for myself

also

yeah

I love east coast and west coast but

would not recommend next 10-20 years in usa

going to be a rough period

only getting worse rn

[civic palm]

Will see in the next like... 2 weeks.

[bold dune]

idk what would make one think that things are going to improve after 20 years

[civic palm]

About that.

[fervent beacon]

Oh, I didn't see that bit @bold dune

[bold dune]

not that I think things are that bad in the interim

[keen inlet]

cultural shifts and technology, Nelbur

[fervent beacon]

Guess I'm deaf and blind

[civic palm]

Also, we've gone through the worst points in history and are at a plateau in progress, not much to complain about now other than corruption.

and that's been a thing... forever > _> sooo

[lone junco]

@hollow junco specifically regarding assault rifles and school shootings. My wifes work gets bomb/shooter threats a few times a year. and so does our kinds daycar. its fucking bullshit.

was a few people shot in the parking lot a few years back.

[civic palm]

1000% BS

[lone junco]

like in the face.

[civic palm]

Yikes.

Over what?

[lone junco]

religion

[civic palm]

G R E A T

[lone junco]

shooter pulled behind thier car, and they couldnt get out. he walked to the drivers door and shot point blank with a shotgun

[civic palm]

Nice planning, jeez.

[hollow junco]

i mean, human beings will do that sort of thing anywhere, in any country. human beings are weird, man, but here certain extremist views are being prodded and encouraged by mainstream figures and we as a culture abhor the idea of gun control

it's not a winning combo

[lone junco]

they were strangers, didn know him. he assumed they were one religion. they were not. he shot the wrong people

humans cant be trusted. period.

[civic palm]

Yeah I can see the accidental targeting.

Happens a lot.

Especially in crowds.

Trust me, don't trust us.

[bold dune]

wow this is some pretty bleak assassination discussion lol

[hollow junco]

if we had the best president ever and had 8 years of just omg best nation on earth, you'd still have people shooting at each other in parking lots, just maybe not the parking lot that your wife parks in

[civic palm]

@bold dune Well SIN is doing OK, sooo... we need something to be bleak about.

[bold dune]

evidently

[lone junco]

RL sucks man.

[civic palm]

It's also something that needs to be talked about, and not made taboo.

Maybe not here... specifically...

but reality is reality.

[bold dune]

I just play games when I'm not studying man life is great

[civic palm]

👍

Some people are just rightfully tired of America being so "great" while also being the only place on the planet where these tragedies occur =\

[bold dune]

I've generally managed to avoid getting murdered thus far

[civic palm]

Avoiding murder is good programming.

[lone junco]

dont worry. once you get a real job, it will suck too. and you can join the masses.

[civic palm]

So, fun fact...

I live within the standardized blast radius for a low sized nuclear blast.

[lone junco]

of what target?

[civic palm]

Which would come from a bomb dropped on or brought into one of the largest war-time manufacturing plants in the US.

[lone junco]

Im upwind of our airforce base where they fly from.

[civic palm]

,<

[lone junco]

some times i wish trump was a long shitty dream about a jon stewart skit

[civic palm]

I wonder what protocol is in place for a fraudulant election > _>

[lone junco]

none

[civic palm]

Obama get back in here you fucker.

[keen inlet]

there's some pretty wild stuff going on rn

[lone junco]

literally none.

[civic palm]

Yeah things are... spicy atm.

[keen inlet]

Whether anything will come of it

who knows

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hoary copper]

6 schools in central fl were shut down today for shooting threats. Scary

[keen inlet]

but I stand by my comment

USA not a great place in terms of 1st world countries.

[lone junco]

@hoary copper our daycare goes into lockdown about 4 times a year.

[keen inlet]

not terrible, and great compared to 3rd world

but

[civic palm]

For some things we're fine, but... it's pretty embarassing.

[vapid moth]

old raids are bs

[hoary copper]

Do you live in Detroit? jeeze

[lone junco]

nah.

[vapid moth]

if im 300 ilvl above what the old raid too i should be able to one shot everything

fuck the scaling bullsh

[lone junco]

Detroit arent white guys with assault rifles.

[civic palm]

Nah they like Corruption up there.

[hoary copper]

Ah so you're a southerner

[lone junco]

I can see how that would be confusing. white guys with guns travel.

[foggy beacon]

isn't that USA as a whole 🤔

[lone junco]

yes

[keen hound]

< White guy w/ rifles

[civic palm]

I'd rather be stabbed again than have to deal with a gunner > _>

[hoary copper]

The south has more crazy per capita I think

...again?

[civic palm]

4 times at this point.

2 while at work

[foggy beacon]

I feel like posting a picture but I would trigger most people

[keen inlet]

let's just

not

😃

[hoary copper]

I think its time for a new job?

[lone junco]

I think manufactures should have to pay fines for illegal yet intended use of their products.

[civic palm]

😄

[jovial kite]

talking about their decadence again?

[keen inlet]

how about

Crimson Tempest

😄

[civic palm]

I haven't worked there in forever, it's more about the people and not the place.

[foggy beacon]

that"s why I'm not @keen inlet

[hoary copper]

Or /cast evasion ?

[keen inlet]

how about

MASTER ASSASSIN

[keen hound]

that doesn't make any sense though noobe

[lone junco]

so

[civic palm]

@keen inlet THOSE ASSASSINS WERE AFTER ME ALREADY!!

[lone junco]

shooting people is the intended use.

[keen inlet]

how about

[keen hound]

Is it?

[civic palm]

ha

[keen inlet]

that's shooting. But good shooting.

[foggy beacon]

how about

[civic palm]

Pistol is the last resort for most people.

[keen inlet]

HOW ABOUT DON JOSE EH

🏚

[foggy beacon]

YARRRR

[lone junco]

have your children been shot at? or nah.

[keen hound]

I'm pretty sure there are millions of gun owners with millions of guns who have never shot anyone.

[civic palm]

I've seen a kid stabbed at > _> Really slow bullet.

[lone junco]

so. hold the manufacture responsible.

[foggy beacon]

how about the concept of time

[lone junco]

it will work itslef out

[keen inlet]

how about

[lone junco]

Intended use.

[keen inlet]

Stop.

That's not a good argument.

[keen hound]

Intended use?

[keen inlet]

the end

[civic palm]

Yeah bad reasoning there.

Hold people accountable.

But help them, don't lock them away.

[keen inlet]

if y'all

[bold dune]

having opinions in current year xD

[keen inlet]

want to talk about this

[foggy beacon]

ban hammer inc

[keen inlet]

take it to #off-topic

please and thanks

[civic palm]

not that some people don't want help So when someone links to the guide and people are like... I read it... but you ask dumb questions.

[keen inlet]

Well

most folks don't actually read it

[foggy beacon]

how about

[keen inlet]

like, read-read

they skim it

and then ask.

such is life

[civic palm]

or read some of it then ask questions that are answered later on > _>

[keen inlet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I mean

of all the specs

sin lays the opener right out

and yet we get asked every day about it

"BUT WHAT IF I HAVE X AND NOT Y"

opener.

Look at em.

etc.

[civic palm]

What R Headers?

[keen inlet]

At a certain point there is just nothing to be done for it

I like to think it's a good reflection of our guides, content, etc., that we've basically hit "that" point

[hoary copper]

Can't fix stupid. But you can silence it with duct tape

[keen inlet]

where most questions are answered

by the content

so there's nothing more to be done but get mad at people

😄

[civic palm]

or just...

https://media.giphy.com/media/MKcxSyppSD6j6/giphy.gif

[dire spoke]

16% PB on felhounds

[keen inlet]

32% or you're bad

obviously

[hoary copper]

Didnt pray to rngesus hard enough

[hollow junco]

my self-worth is measured in poison bomb procs

[keen inlet]

is anybody's not ?

[civic palm]

Mine is weighed in tears.

[wise frigate]

Just had hands down the worst Kin Garoth LFR

[lone junco]

same

[civic palm]

He was just trying to balance you out with the rest of the raid.

[wise frigate]

I was the only DPS alive for 2 whole Apocalypse drives.

[civic palm]

1 goodboi, 22 badbois

[lone junco]

they were just sleeping on you, letting you do the work.

[wise frigate]

We had me, both tanks, and 2 heals alive at the end.

Thank god LFR does 0 damage so I stayed at 100% like the entire time.

[keen hound]

idk if I should be more impressed w/ the 2.4 mil or more depressed at the rest of the raid being sub 700k >_>

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/smile-angry-kanye-west-ZI88V08ZzgMWA me all day.

[wise frigate]

The second. I had some nice PB RNG with 3 adds stacked on each other.

[civic palm]

So...

one of the mega stinkers in our Mythic group...

is trying to get a bunch of people from their previous guild to come to ours...

[lone junco]

ugh.

[civic palm]

Wait for it...

and I have a position in which...

if someone he brings over is better than him...

I am replacing him with the new person.

[lone junco]

😃

[civic palm]

Hey we need you to CC your add on Agg.

Oh you can't because you're fucking dead again?

[lone junco]

what days do you raid?

[civic palm]

Thanks.

tues/thurs

[lone junco]

server?

[civic palm]

Stromboli

Stormrage

Stromburg

[dire spoke]

Stromausfall

[civic palm]

Angryweather

[lone junco]

Angryweather

Sign me up

[civic palm]

There is like an 80% chance I am leaving that guild and joining something else come BfA.

I joined this one and brought someone else completely randomly at the beginning of Legion.

[lone junco]

Thrall is pretty good for people.

[civic palm]

As is Stormrage, but I dont wanna do what we did in TBC again.

[uncut shuttle]

how you do give that percentige to yourself. lol

32weeks to bfa

[civic palm]

What do you mean how?

I know what I want and I know what they are capable of.

and I know what else is on Stormrage.

[lone junco]

enie meenie miney 80%

[civic palm]

I've been thinking about this for like, 2 raid tiers.

[uncut shuttle]

and how you do leave in 1 of 5 results ? xD

[lone junco]

🤓

[civic palm]

They have a very low % chance to find the people that they need to raid in a way in which I am happy with.

if it remains that way, later.

[lone junco]

ye

[uncut shuttle]

whats your progress currently?

[civic palm]

in TBC we pouched the entire fucking server and paid for transfers to make SuperGuilds every raid tier.

ass/11

Eonar is probably dead Tuesday if people actually fucking show up.

[uncut shuttle]

sad

[civic palm]

Yeah tell me about it.

Oh wait... don't .

[lone junco]

yeah. dont.

[civic palm]

If I wanted to be Top20 again I would put myself back there.

[uncut shuttle]

we completed the content last week and I found myself in empty. now I learn stuff to my alt rogue 😛

[dire spoke]

can you get these 'felbat ...' items from relinq tokens?

[uncut shuttle]

atleast you have some raid to do

[civic palm]

That is one of the nice things about be so slow in progression.

There's still stuff to do.

[lone junco]

we will be done next week for sure.

[uncut shuttle]

%? on argus?

[lone junco]

2

[uncut shuttle]

haha. we wiped on even %0. what a boss

[dire spoke]

does anybody know? D:

[civic palm]

What felbat items?

? ? ?

[dire spoke]

they usually are WQ rewards

felbat gloves

felbat boots

all got crit/mast

[civic palm]

oo, no I do not think so.

IIRC the tokens are rolled from dungeon tables.

dungeon/raid*

[dire spoke]

dang

[civic palm]

If the felbat items are there, then you can get them.

[dire spoke]

oh nvmd

they are dungeon drops

[lone junco]

pretty sure i have felbat shoulders

940 ish

[civic palm]

Yeah, purple and spikey probably.

[lone junco]

dunno. mog over them

[civic palm]

I would hope.

[uncut shuttle]

I just got back legendary. how many target makes it useful?

[dire spoke]

huh they are crit/vers

strange

[lone junco]

@uncut shuttle stack to 30 in ST. use for Fok in 2+ per usual

and dont use in st unless you dont have anything better

[uncut shuttle]

Hmm. I not sure I should feel happy. I do dungeons, its okay 😛

[civic palm]

The faster the dungeon the worse they are.

But they are fine.

[dire spoke]

play sub and they're gold :^D

[lone junco]

yeah. they are good as sub with shoulder.

good is an understatement.

[civic palm]

Quite

[lone junco]

last i checked it was about 4M per hit .

[dire spoke]

you mean 1 stack?

[lone junco]

at 30stacks , as sub. in stealth symbol dance shoulder. the hit is 4m crit per mob.

was

[uncut shuttle]

well. its %1050 buff on 30stack. insane burst

[lone junco]

• symbol + dance + shoulder crit

• ns

[foggy beacon]

noobe you said you only raid heroic ye?

[lone junco]

and lower. but ye.

on argus now.

[dire spoke]

wow man ... I would need 985 set-head + gloves to outsim my 985 set-gloves https://snag.gy/x0BmJN.jpg

[shrewd oriole]

Nice

[dire spoke]

I mean, prob lower aswell

but fuck

[uncut shuttle]

@lone junco it critted 5.2m per mob on sub. crazy

[lone junco]

@foggy beacon i would do harder stuff, but flex is more important to me than the mythic ilvl. so here we are. just a parallel curve just shifted down.

[shrewd oriole]

Turns out 985 gear is pretty hoof

[manic vigil]

@lone junco

[shrewd oriole]

Good*=

[foggy beacon]

flex?

[dire spoke]

hoof

[lone junco]

@uncut shuttle try to s top using storm on the way out of trash packs. so it stacks for next stealth pull

@foggy beacon flexible roster. 10-30.

I would do flex mythic. if it were a thing.

[foggy beacon]

ah

[uncut shuttle]

good idea

[lone junco]

jobs wife travel kids. fixed mythic 20 is dead to me.

if 1-4 people are afk from raid. Im not stopping for a whole week.

facebook guy is in japan for 2 weeks. = fine. sales guy is in hawaii. = fine. w/e

[uncut shuttle]

there is gossip about flex mythic? didnt heear about it

[lone junco]

i doubt it.

[shrewd oriole]

Flex mythic is a terrible idea

[lone junco]

depends on if you care about racers pushing content or users.

but sure.

[uncut shuttle]

it would be more casual. but I know many ppl wants 10man mythic

due to rosters

[lone junco]

I still wouldnt want 10man fixed.

[shrewd oriole]

10man mythic was terrible tho lol

It was unbalanced

[lone junco]

yeah. its horrible to run 2 heals.

make one move and tank splats.

[shrewd oriole]

A single game mode is far easier to balance

[uncut shuttle]

people who playing with their small community wants it

[shrewd oriole]

Two different game modes made it so much harder to design fights

[viscid helm]

nobody cares about those people

go play fucking heroic

[shrewd oriole]

^

[lone junco]

20man is a good number. i just accept how far back we are for heroic.

and if they ever go back to fixed roster. for all tiers ☮

[shrewd oriole]

People who “miss” 10 man raiding are nostalgic rose tinted glasses wearers

[civic palm]

YO LEMME GET DAT 40MAN RAID BACK

I wanna die again.

[foggy beacon]

I have 23-25 people on my M roster currently 6/11, it's doable

[lone junco]

72 eq while we are at it.

[shrewd oriole]

Rip my fps

My roster has 28

[civic palm]

That's one of the nicest things about 15-30m raids.

FPS :3

[lone junco]

8 man bench sounds horrible

[civic palm]

15-20^

[lone junco]

i like 15-20

[viscid helm]

nice potato pc

[shrewd oriole]

Different fights different people in

[lone junco]

good flex. 3 to 4 heals.

[civic palm]

PC barely matters at this point.

The engine is booty.

Has been since Vanilla.

[uncut shuttle]

back in 40man raiding vanilla. bosses drops only 2 item and 40ppl has to be gear up. hard times

[viscid helm]

gear mattered less back then

[civic palm]

GEMME THE SHOULDERS

GIMME

Nice poop you poop.

For some healers tier was very very good.

and certain pieces were mandatory.

[lone junco]

with 8 debuffs max, not much mattered

what a difference 20 years makes

[civic palm]

cost/regen buffs from tier was oh so nice.

[shrewd oriole]

Energy in increments

Puke

[lone junco]

there have been a lot of good improvements.

groupfinder
flex raiding
M+

prob my top 3

[obtuse ingot]

Hey guys, hoping someone can give me a hand here I would really appreciate it. My buddy (Noral) seems to be struggling with his dps and I'm looking to help him out. Here are logs on a heroic vari fight that was smooth and he never got necrotic on https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jmkZcM9qvWdfQHYy#fight=11&type=damage-done&source=3 Thanks!

[shrewd oriole]

Same dude, mine are titan forging lfr and hmm

Hard to pick a third one after those beauties

Oh yeah, add fights

[lone junco]

this midblock vanish is pretty shitty

[shrewd oriole]

Very shitty

[viscid helm]

tell him to read the guide

pointless to link a log where everything is done wrong

[lone junco]

missed like 3 casts of tb

yeah

@obtuse ingot SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE

[vapid moth]

fuck it

imma do my lower khara key

even if i dont finish. at least the lower key will be doable

[shrewd oriole]

Hf

[jolly berry]

Noobie rogue here. Which assassination build would you say is best overall? Bleed or poison?

[shrewd oriole]

Poison

[viscid helm]

Speed

[tranquil birch]

🍿

[civic palm]

Whichever Sims best for you.

[lone junco]

@jolly berry poison.

bleed is bad.

[tranquil birch]

Lol

[lone junco]

i mean, it is.

[shrewd oriole]

He’s not wrong

[obtuse ingot]

so he's getting a bunch of stuff wrong? ill let him know then, thanks

[shrewd oriole]

Tell him

To read the guide

[lone junco]

@obtuse ingot just needs to read the guide, then ask q

[shrewd oriole]

He’s making basic mistakes

[tranquil birch]

Im just glad we're all able to admit this now

[lone junco]

opener isnt that horrible.

nvm. it is.

[viscid helm]

yeh

it is

[lone junco]

dont to that with shoulders.

[viscid helm]

just looked at it

idk what hes doing

[lone junco]

shoulder tb, shoulder KB way way better than this tailbuffing bullshit.

[gilded lark]

@keen inlet i was referring to my monks name lol "fotmooker" - fotm ooker

[old sphinx]

creative naming in 2k18

[strange python]

do i need to have 3 relics in vendetta or doi just need to have 6/6 on the trait?

[gilded lark]

7/7

[civic palm]

The more the better.

[gilded lark]

Or you might as well die

[civic palm]

5/7 or 7/7, 6/7 has timing issues.

[gilded lark]

Js

[strange python]

yee ive noticed

big problems

with my vanish

im 6/6

[gilded lark]

@civic palm so wowhead was wrong

Sot buffs bk

[civic palm]

and AMR was right?

[gilded lark]

Kb even

[civic palm]

and Aethys was wrong about backing Wowhead

?

[gilded lark]

Apparently

[civic palm]

Good to know either way.

👍

[gilded lark]

Fuck amr tho

[civic palm]

Sure but they are good for something.

[gilded lark]

@frozen wadi

[old sphinx]

he aint answering

[gilded lark]

She; and i know

[keen inlet]

Ah, got it

[old sphinx]

WAIT

[gilded lark]

But it's fun to ping

[old sphinx]

A GIRL ON THE INTERNET ?

THAT CANT BE

[civic palm]

It's a man with colored hair.

[keen inlet]

Hey don't antagonize them

[shrewd oriole]

Someone said giggle is a grill

[gilded lark]

Look at the profile pic. Gender is debatable

[civic palm]

Probably.

[old sphinx]

makes more sense

[keen inlet]

Please

[gilded lark]

Why not dob

Don

Fuck this phone

[keen inlet]

Take it to dm

[shrewd oriole]

Can’t believe we are modded by a grill

[gilded lark]

And fuck amr

[old sphinx]

slide into her dms

[shrewd oriole]

Kappa

[gilded lark]

I took it to their server

[civic palm]

Because we're one of the only actually helpful and not hilariously toxic communities.

[gilded lark]

I got banned

So now i do it here

[shrewd oriole]

Fuck amr tbh

[civic palm]

As insane as that sounds.

but yeah fuck AMR for the hit-piece.

and in general, for their activities.

[shrewd oriole]

Shit simcract / raid bots wanna be

That only garbage players use

LUL

[old sphinx]

[gilded lark]

I've happily turned a bunch of people toward simc and away from amr since then

[civic palm]

There was some tight parity coming out of Legion Beta but that's only due to a lack of meddling at that time.

[old sphinx]

not using amr in 2k18

[gilded lark]

Attack my community will you

[civic palm]

Be better than them.

or at least... more subtle.

[gilded lark]

Nah they dragged it down to my level

Ima keep them here

[civic palm]

Oh you take up residence there, sure sure.

[old sphinx]

T O X I C ( a little )

[gilded lark]

I'm not above some petty ass shit

[civic palm]

Someone needs to get their hands dirty, there's always a job for people like that.

[old sphinx]

yeah there is 😏

[carmine flare]

Would sin be viable over sub for HoV 20 on this week's affixes?

[keen inlet]

Maybe

[old sphinx]

we are testing that tomorrow

Me and tom

[keen inlet]

Depends on "viable" as always

[old sphinx]

Ill tell you the results

[shrewd oriole]

Can still be today

[keen inlet]

Listen i am gonna try to have a life this evening

[carmine flare]

preferable, I mean

[tranquil birch]

We tried a hov 22 last night...

[keen inlet]

Try to behave :p

[tranquil birch]

Not fun

[old sphinx]

nah man

[civic palm]

Eh Giggle and Notter will be here, no worries.

[keen inlet]

LOVE AND

PEACE!

[old sphinx]

I just wiped with my monk on a 14 vault

[keen inlet]

LOVE AND

PEACE!

[old sphinx]

Im done for the day

[gilded lark]

No

[civic palm]

❤ and ☮ !!

[tranquil birch]

Hyrja is just stupid

[keen inlet]

[gilded lark]

Screenshots have been taken donald

[keen inlet]

LOVE AND

PEACE

[gilded lark]

You in trouble

[lone junco]

Clipping sot on Kb doesn't change anything but sim average.

[keen inlet]

Good

[gilded lark]

You're going to jail

[civic palm]

200,000 emails have been MADE PUBLIC BOI.

[keen inlet]

Kill the one mod

[lone junco]

We are holding env through end of Kb anyway.

[civic palm]

Yeah don't click SoT, ya loony.

[keen inlet]

Who fights for the USER

Tron btw

[civic palm]

Though now it makes "more" sense to make sure that there is a +1sec overlap of ENV at the end of KB.

[gilded lark]

Well according to giggle, he defends me all the time

[lone junco]

Sure.

[old sphinx]

Is giggle a he or a she now

MUCH CONFUSION

[gilded lark]

He

[lone junco]

And don't let it drop. Got it

[old sphinx]

america please explain

[civic palm]

Previously it was simple enough to time ENV to perfectly overlap with KB before refreshing DoTs/etc.

[gilded lark]

Giggles a trap

[civic palm]

Traps are fun.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[old sphinx]

[gilded lark]

[civic palm]

2 0 1 8

[old sphinx]

you sir

[civic palm]

or... 2 0 0 0 even.

[old sphinx]

need J E S U S

[civic palm]

or fucking... 1 2 0 0 .... really.

[old sphinx]

yeah fkin anything that has a hole - male humanity since forever

[nocturne gate]

why is versa atm more important ? bc the mutilate buff ?

[civic palm]

more important than?

[gilded lark]

It isnt

[civic palm]

haste?

Crit and Vers should be pretty close, but with the BB buff I can see Crit being worth more to make sure you are getting healthy MUTs.

[nimble tartan]

BOONK GANNG

[civic palm]

and then there's that guy.

[old sphinx]

idk what to say righ now

[nimble tartan]

WHOLE LOTTA GANG SHIT

[old sphinx]

aight

[gilded lark]

No

[old sphinx]

im out

byer

[gilded lark]

N o

[nimble tartan]

BOONK GANG

ESKETTIT

[gilded lark]

[nocturne gate]

atm i simming with master/crit pretty even and versa on third but was confused why they prioritize on icy veins versa over crit

[nimble tartan]

i killed m argus on my dh this week im now a 2 time titanslayer please respect me

[civic palm]

IV is just wrong

or old

[gilded lark]

Because icy veins is fucking wrong

[civic palm]

or old and wrong.

[gilded lark]

That hasn't been our stat priority ever

[civic palm]

For a long long time Vers was very very close to Crit, not so much anymore.

and with higher levels Mastery will start climbing over Crit entirely.

[gilded lark]

Even back in AP days it was mast >>>> crit >= vers

[civic palm]

After that.

Vers was very close to Crit for a lot of people

[gilded lark]

Crit was still higher

[civic palm]

Mostly those that had shoulders.

"higher" I've seen vers tied with crit plenty of times.

[nocturne gate]

atm 963 with 42master/41crit/37versa on st statweights

[gilded lark]

I personally haven't

[civic palm]

Though I've personally weighed Crit higher at all times.

Due to gameplay feel entirely.

Let alone thinking that Crit is actually better.

[gilded lark]

What legendaries runsen

[civic palm]

and less mindlessly dull.

[nocturne gate]

shoulder+bracer

[nimble tartan]

yall play buphead https://puu.sh/yR0Po/8685ad2889.png

[civic palm]

item level ?

[nimble tartan]

luv this game

[gilded lark]

He said 963 miz

Open eyes

[civic palm]

Looking at something else.

Yeah totally missed that

[gilded lark]

Mast and crit equal with shoulders

That sounds fishy

[civic palm]

Yeah

Sounds like very low Mastery

As Mastery literally gets better the more you have.

[gilded lark]

Are you bleed or something

[civic palm]

Even then.

[nocturne gate]

202% mastery26%crit/11%versa

[gilded lark]

[civic palm]

Ima needa see a sim result

[gilded lark]

Yeah link the html

[civic palm]

or the raidbots url even.

[gilded lark]

Ye

[nocturne gate]

y sec

[civic palm]

k

[nocturne gate]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v6gSXt2bQn78WFzSE7bMyX

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3rYTdkGeygEgEzGhHspDxu

secon is boots+bracer

[civic palm]

43 - 41 - 37 sounds better

[wise frigate]

Can't believe that Argus group one-shot him.

[gilded lark]

I can only assume it's because your relics are fucked

[nocturne gate]

y ^^' i know but i dont run m+ 😄

[gilded lark]

I assume it's because of that. Idk though

[civic palm]

Hey I broke 2M - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eP6sVCgJLGvXHFn3USqsEJ

[lone junco]

my 963 shoulder bracer comes in around 1.98

[gilded lark]

6 serrated edge 🤢

[lone junco]

its not that far off

[shrewd oriole]

Damn mizerok

Didn’t take you for one of them

[lone junco]

Pantheon Trinkets

20

[civic palm]

Yeah

G G

When people show up.

[shrewd oriole]

Lmaoc

[civic palm]

Fuckers.

[shrewd oriole]

You know that means

20 amanthuls

Right

[civic palm]

haha

0 AT > _>

[shrewd oriole]

You wanna sim it at 8

For accurate results

[civic palm]

No

But I will.

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[civic palm]

Look if the drop down says what it says I will put in the number that appears in the raid.

[lone junco]

it literally says Pantheon trinkets

not Amanthuls

[shrewd oriole]

Mate

[lone junco]

there are 19 others in the raid

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah but how many of each : ) ?

Exactly.

20 amanthuls =/= a random assortment of 20 pantheon trinkets

[lone junco]

that pulldown is 0 to 30

you are making shit up.

[shrewd oriole]

You’re not understanding me

To proc the pantheon trinket, one must have 4 unique buffs in the raid

[jovial kite]

[lone junco]

fine. to the html

[shrewd oriole]

An amanthuls counts as whichever buff is missing

[civic palm]

Yeah, wildcard.

[shrewd oriole]

Exactly

[lone junco]

compare html to log.

[shrewd oriole]

Raid bots, when it does it’s panthrojntribkets

Does not make a random assortment of trinkets

It makes all trinkets amanthuls

This was IN THEIR DISCORD

[gilded lark]

Raidbots counts every pantheon trink as amanthuls except your own. It inflates the chance of procs

By a lot

[civic palm]

Yeah it states that, and if true they should change the Header for the drop down 😛

[gilded lark]

Noobe, don't fight on this. You're wrong here lol

[civic palm]

and not have it state "Pantheon Trinkets".

[gilded lark]

[civic palm]

I was wrong though, since it's additional it should be 19, not 20.

[jovial kite]

they are pantheon trinkets though

[shrewd oriole]

But simcraft does the same

[jovial kite]

so why not state them as such

[lone junco]

if anything. live is higher than that.

[gilded lark]

It doesn't change your own trink to amanthuls. Just the other ones.

[shrewd oriole]

No mizerok, it should be fucking 8 at best

[civic palm]

Pantheon Trinkets assume any Pantheon Trinket, AT infers a singular trinket.

I was kidding with the 19 thing.

[jovial kite]

why would it change your trinket to amanthuls hello?

[lone junco]

the summary output dps 3.8 2.8

[shrewd oriole]

Doesn’t change your trinket

[viscid helm]

[lone junco]

mine 3.5 5.6

[civic palm]

Doesn't change yours, all others it changes to AT.

[shrewd oriole]

It says additional trinkets

[civic palm]

"Simulates additional raid members with Aman'Thul's Vision (not including your character)

"

[jovial kite]

yes

[civic palm]

Says right there

[lone junco]

it says what it isays.

[jovial kite]

why would it change your trinket

[lone junco]

doesnt mean it sims that way

[shrewd oriole]

So counts yours as regular and the x amount your insert as AT

[gilded lark]

Lol

[shrewd oriole]

What

[gilded lark]

It does sim that way

[lone junco]

Actual Log output is real?

[jovial kite]

are you guys out of your minds again

[gilded lark]

Just noobe is

[shrewd oriole]

That statement was so dumb wtf noobe lmao

[gilded lark]

Lol

[shrewd oriole]

Sims are wrong

[lone junco]

I certainly dont have 20 amanthuls in my raid

[shrewd oriole]

We can’t trust the government

[gilded lark]

10/11HC theorycrafter

[shrewd oriole]

The water is turning the frogs gay

[gilded lark]

Rofl

[shrewd oriole]

Bush did 9/11

[jovial kite]

4 additional amanthuls plus 1 your own is prochancewise the same thing as 5 aman thuls

[shrewd oriole]

Ye

That is true

[jovial kite]

so in a sense it turns your pantheon trinket into amanthuls because its procchancewise the same thing

no your trinket isnt aman thuls

[shrewd oriole]

Your trinket isn’t amanthuls

But since ever other trinket is

[civic palm]

Except the output shows your trinket as what it actually is.

[jovial kite]

but its all irrelevant to the procchance of the pantheon

[shrewd oriole]

What type your trinket is does not matter

[civic palm]

But yeah we're lookin at proc chances.

If ~8 is more "balanced" than the literal amount in the raid.

ehhhhh

[shrewd oriole]

Pretty much yeah

[jovial kite]

i mean we still got 0

so keep yourself simmed yall

[shrewd oriole]

You’re gonna have roughly 2 / 4 / 3 / 6 / 5

[jovial kite]

0 strength panth 0 aman thuls

[civic palm]

Yeah we're seen 0AT

[shrewd oriole]

In your average raid comp

Being tank healer str int agi

Fluctuates heavily

Obv

But

[vapid moth]

do you guys ever touch the explosive orbs?

[gilded lark]

Having a nice mix is pretty mint. I get some nutty panth procs sometimes

Wew variance

Yes xae as a melee dps its your jov

[shrewd oriole]

All that is probably the same chance or lower than 8 amanthuls

[gilded lark]

Job*

[civic palm]

Thankfully from 8 to 19 the difference is only 20k.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lone junco]

sim 0 sim 20. the spread is fucking peanuts.

no shit.

[shrewd oriole]

But at the end of the day pantheon is only a slight dos increase

Lmao mizerok you’re sub 2M then

Back to the pleb club

[jovial kite]

its a pretty big raid dps increase though

[civic palm]

No shit.

[jovial kite]

its pretty much neglible to you

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

Because the str one is godlike lma

[prime void]

Fuck that

[civic palm]

1.984 < 2.001 something

[shrewd oriole]

The int and agi ones are meh outside of outlaw and snd

[prime void]

I dont hit orbs

[shrewd oriole]

You should

[vapid moth]

takes a lot of energy to kill those orbs

[gilded lark]

You're a dick lol

[prime void]

Im not a bitch nor on bitch duty

[jovial kite]

wow

[gilded lark]

If I'm tanking and melee expect me to do all the orbs

I let them go off

[prime void]

I run with a fury warrior who yells at me if I touch them.

[gilded lark]

Rofl

[vapid moth]

but the group had ranged

[prime void]

Also run with an hpal

[gilded lark]

It's not rangeds job

Esp if they're casters

[shrewd oriole]

Melees are better at it

[viscid helm]

this is why healers exist

[gilded lark]

Hunters yeah sure

[prime void]

Really depends on comp if youre on orb duty.

[vapid moth]

it was a hunter

[shrewd oriole]

I run with boomie lock

I do 90% of orb damage

[prime void]

Toms on bitch duty

Called it

[gilded lark]

Lol saaaalt

[lone junco]

very

[gilded lark]

Not having fuckin aotc

[vapid moth]

oh ok so the priority list would be something like hunters > melee > casters

[shrewd oriole]

If you don’t trust sims

[civic palm]

Especially when the SIM tells you to input the literal number of trinkets.

[gilded lark]

How many months in

[shrewd oriole]

Why use sims

Lmao

[gilded lark]

[civic palm]

But in reality don't go above 8 because why would you?

[lone junco]

the log literally has the %

[vapid moth]

yeah my +19 upper group didnt get far

[civic palm]

=\

[gilded lark]

Noobe constantly simming, doing plots, etc

But dont trust em

[shrewd oriole]

Wasn’t It lower

[gilded lark]

[shrewd oriole]

haHAA

[civic palm]

The reason Noobe knows to not just trust them is due to his exposure > _>

[vapid moth]

i didnt do my lower key yet. guild mate said hed get on

and then i found a 19 upper

that let me in

[shrewd oriole]

Americans can’t trust the media

[gilded lark]

Then delete the program fam

[vapid moth]

but we didnt get past curator

[civic palm]

The SIMs rarely use Vanish correctly.

Trust them.

YEAH OK

[shrewd oriole]

Sims are an inside job

[lone junco]

you see them missing basic functions properly?