assassination

[lone junco]

carry fuckers like I do

[heavy plover]

@lone junco that works?

[shrewd oriole]

and what ilvl are you?

[lone junco]

need to do each zone.

[heavy plover]

i'm 964

[shrewd night]

So I got lower score than you and get into groups. Sounds like they are declining you for other reasons, but low score doesnt make people upset lul

[shrewd oriole]

Well

that makes sense

[shrewd night]

Yeah, calling bullshit on that

[shrewd oriole]

mediocre ilvl no score

[heavy plover]

well @shrewd night that'll be because people are different, you're missing the point 😃

[shrewd oriole]

there's trillions of dpsers in Q most of the time

[shrewd night]

Probably doesnt have 8/8 malch

LUL

[shrewd oriole]

people have so much to choose from

[shrewd oriole]

monkaS is that you noobe

[lone junco]

yeah, why take a shit dps, if there are literally thousands at all times.

ye

[shrewd oriole]

exactly

if there's 5 dpsers in q

[heavy plover]

I didn't think 964 was that bad, especially sub rogue

[shrewd night]

Ew sub

Get out

[shrewd oriole]

and one of them is a 964 rogue

[lone junco]

I mean warolock

[prime void]

964 is mediocre

[lone junco]

monk

[shrewd oriole]

are you 964 equipped

[prime void]

not bad but not good

[shrewd oriole]

or 964 bags

cuz they see bags

[heavy plover]

964 bags unfortunately

[shrewd oriole]

yeah that's

[prime void]

now when I apply, They see that fat 978

[shrewd night]

...Thats why

[shrewd oriole]

really bad

[prime void]

shlurp

[lone junco]

is bags a thing?

[shrewd night]

wtf

[heavy plover]

yeah i'm 962 equip

[lone junco]

wtf is bags

[shrewd oriole]

I'm 964 equipped on my sub gear

but I'm 980 bags

[prime void]

tf tom

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

[heavy plover]

still didn't think 962 was bad for a 15 but okay i guess

[shrewd oriole]

I mean mizu

[prime void]

i mean

[shrewd oriole]

935 940 trinkets with t20 2p

[shrewd night]

Its not bad for a fifteen, its bad compared to others

[prime void]

let me log on my rogue rq

[shrewd night]

Hello

[prime void]

tbh im prob p low too

[shrewd oriole]

I'm 970 on ST gear with t20

my t20 is 950 940 too

[prime void]

oooh bb

will sucky for t20 like that

[shrewd oriole]

just low trinkets

[prime void]

945 legs

do you even raid bro

????

[shrewd oriole]

haHAA

975 chest so the ilvl is even Kappa

[dense quest]

just do all the keys you get insta 1500-1800

[shrewd oriole]

3k probably refers to rio

but if you do all keys you're insta 2.5k

[lone junco]

lol seat

[dense quest]

fuck seat lol

[lone junco]

is what I get for not pugging, only do like 2 a week. all uppers.

[dense quest]

I am a 1 and done a week

[shrewd oriole]

if I dont do keys

there's nothing else to do

in this game

[dense quest]

ap farm

[cerulean depot]

Seat is not that bad tbh

[shrewd oriole]

you'd rather

farm ap than do keys?

wtf

[dense quest]

yeah

[lone junco]

fuck ap.

lol

[shrewd oriole]

^

[dense quest]

ap is easy

[shrewd oriole]

farming ap is a) useless b) boring

easy content isnt fun tho

lmao

[lone junco]

WQ are fucking stupid.

[shrewd oriole]

oh yeah I'm fucking two shotting mobs wohoo

lmao

[dense quest]

I do it for the gold

[lone junco]

gold is worthless.

[shrewd oriole]

WHAT

wq's

ARE

SO

BAD

for gold

terrible g per hour

[lone junco]

cant buy a single thing of value for gold.

aside from sub fee.

and thats like less work time than a M+ a month.

could race change 5 times for fun

[dense quest]

wow is free2p cuz of gold

[shrewd oriole]

jesus farming an entire token

[lone junco]

no. you do wq

[shrewd oriole]

on WQ's

[lone junco]

ill pass

[shrewd oriole]

yeah how many hours of WQ do you do week

[cerulean depot]

If rather pay than farm wq

[dense quest]

150 gold Plus ap tokens

[shrewd oriole]

the gold per hour is so bad

[lone junco]

150g.?

[dense quest]

thats per wq wihtout counting reward

[shrewd oriole]

but that's

terrible

[lone junco]

I dont blink over 5k

[dense quest]

my follower gives 150 gold per wq

[lone junco]

its fine. do what you do.

[dense quest]

if its gold reward then obviously more

[shrewd oriole]

anything sub 20k /h is terrible

[lone junco]

but. nah.

[dense quest]

its like go delete this elite here go delete this elite there

so fast

[shrewd oriole]

it's not fast at all

[shrewd oriole]

sure, might be fast to kill the mobs

but your gold made per hour is super slow

[dense quest]

I dont do the ones that you go collect bear poop

[cerulean depot]

2 minutes of time wasted traveling/doing wq is not worth 150g

[lone junco]

some people have 4k wq. on like 6 toons.

nothing ever is worth 150g

[shrewd oriole]

some people have 20k mate

[lone junco]

"fun"

[dense quest]

150g is passive

it just adds up

[cerulean depot]

No, you need to do a wq

[shrewd oriole]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[lone junco]

its ok. youll never convince me that AP farm for Gold is fun.

[shrewd oriole]

nothing passive about that

it's awfully boring and terrible returns

I'd farm WQ's if it was good returns but it really is not

[lone junco]

esp at 15$ for 200k or w/e

lol

[dense quest]

what would you considergood

[shrewd oriole]

20k H

[dense quest]

I got bfa for free basically

[cerulean depot]

Going to a mission table and doing 3k gold mission is barely worth it imo

[keen inlet]

I mean

[dense quest]

yeah

I do those missions too

[lone junco]

3kg isnt worth, cause it rips your OR.

[keen inlet]

running WQs with gold follower/OR

[lone junco]

eww

[shrewd oriole]

20k h isnt even good

[keen inlet]

is not bad

[shrewd oriole]

it's just not terrible

[keen inlet]

you're getting three things

[lone junco]

"running wq"

hahah

[dense quest]

I am doing it while at work

[keen inlet]

for relatively low time investment

[dense quest]

so its hardly time consuming

[lone junco]

to each their own.

[keen inlet]

especially if you use/abuse WQGF

like i do

[tough lantern]

200k a sec by charging my daddy's credit card

[shrewd oriole]

there's 26 Wq's up rn in argus, that's 3450 gold

[keen inlet]

was a little too slow

to get the work part

[shrewd oriole]

3k gold

[keen inlet]

rip me

[shrewd oriole]

3 0 0 0 gold

for 26 world quests

[tough lantern]

not worth

[shrewd oriole]

I'd rather kill myself

[keen inlet]

the point is

if you're doing those wqs anyway

for other stuff

[shrewd oriole]

boost a single 15

[keen inlet]

it's passive inc

etc

[shrewd oriole]

yes

[keen inlet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shrewd oriole]

but

[keen inlet]

no

[shrewd oriole]

why are you doing wq's

[keen inlet]

no buts

NO

stahp

[shrewd oriole]

if not because you're sadistic

[keen inlet]

pls

[dense quest]

Just doing the elites

cuz its ap

[shrewd oriole]

but

ap

is

useless

past 75

: (

[keen inlet]

stoooooooooolp

[shrewd oriole]

fine

[lone junco]

glad they capped it btw.

[shrewd oriole]

I'm done

[dense quest]

dunno thats saying extra agi is useless

[lone junco]

that bullshit was tired.

[dense quest]

may as well not eat food

for raiding

[shrewd oriole]

it's 5k dps ish

[lone junco]

for like 900b ap

lol

[shrewd oriole]

^

[dense quest]

then why use flask at all

[cerulean depot]

Getting to 83 requires 1.7 trillion ap

[keen inlet]

why do anything at all

[dense quest]

its only 1500 agi

[shrewd oriole]

cuz you dont gotta farm for a flask

LOL

[keen inlet]

who are you

what doth life

[lone junco]

and 1500agi is flat

[dense quest]

i am saying its still extra dps

[shrewd oriole]

5k

5k dps is

[lone junco]

conc is 6sec

[shrewd oriole]

1 /4 of what you get

for going blood elf

[shrewd night]

@dense quest How high is your weapon ilevel then?

[tough lantern]

you're better off spending your time rolling for titanforges than farming for ap past 75

[lone junco]

do you even get wep ilvl from AP?

a conc point isnt ilvl

[dense quest]

I was 980 something then went down to 970 something after FoKing and now I think back to 980 ish

[shrewd night]

Ya get what I mean 😠

[shrewd oriole]

what race are you erodrea

[dense quest]

belf

[lone junco]

w/e.

during non raid downtime. there isnt much to do.

[shrewd oriole]

going belf to human is about the same as concordance

[old sphinx]

aight im back

[shrewd oriole]

go human

[lone junco]

wq is just as good as sitting in group finder q

[dense quest]

I dont do alliance

[cerulean depot]

Farm lfr for titanforges, time better spent

[shrewd oriole]

might as well not buy flasks

[lone junco]

I do that tbh.

[shrewd oriole]

if you're not willing to min max your racials

[lone junco]

LFR forge king

[dense quest]

spend that bonus rolls

[lone junco]

ive prob only got 60days played this lvl.

maybe 100

dunno

whats normal?

[dense quest]

no clue

[shrewd oriole]

depends

1 character, all expac?

[lone junco]

1 char 110

[dense quest]

most part I main rogue

[shrewd oriole]

100+ yeah

[dense quest]

my other class is a dh but I only use that to farm missions

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/ifo6f0

that's the date I started playing my hunter

http://prntscr.com/ifo6kf

monkaS

[lone junco]

prob hit 110 on rogue 8/25/2016

[shrewd oriole]

can easily check

[lone junco]

still like 60 days

[shrewd oriole]

my hunter is weird cuz

I hit 110 day 2 of the exapnsion

but

never played it again

until that date, 17/9/17

cuz I thought I was gonna go hunter this expac

[shrewd oriole]

just do this noobe

[old sphinx]

wait whatt ?

[lone junco]

lol nah

[jovial kite]

mr werld wehhh

[shrewd oriole]

UNO DOS TRES QUATRO

[exotic glen]

world waiiiiiiide

[old sphinx]

how you do that tho ?

[dense quest]

so I get about 3k agi extra per conc over a 75

dunno seems useful

[jovial kite]

300

[old sphinx]

this is

pretty cool ^^^

[grim jay]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4IL47uKMBf2ZA3Z6t0sRN0?si=mR6uKZQLTQOff7M6gg_ZfQ

[old sphinx]

ewwww

french rap

[hoary copper]

Looks like a risky click. I've opened links with that title before

[old sphinx]

it was funny up until there

[shrewd oriole]

oops

http://prntscr.com/ifoads

meant to send this lol

[old sphinx]

👀

[dense blaze]

fuck it dood I'll click on it

[jovial kite]

i fucking saw that

[shrewd oriole]

that's how you share

[jovial kite]

👁

[lone junco]

im about to cap out my 77th pt sin. feel like a sucker for clicking so many points tho

[normal plover]

Guys I’ve had a stomach bug for two days and I’m finally hungry again!!!

[old sphinx]

that was pretty monkaS right there

[shrewd oriole]

nice

[normal plover]

The world has colors again!

[shrewd oriole]

best part about this

updates when u change

[dense quest]

I am at 85 pts in

[normal plover]

Don’t want to listen to your crap

Lol jk

[lone junco]

talk about a boring spec. 2 2 22 2 2 2 1

[keen inlet]

sry I was fine with it btu then Rayanne said it was harassment

Tom pls come to the chamber of punishment

[cerulean depot]

86 points should require at 4 trillion AP or something. Why do you do this to yourself?

[hoary copper]

That sounds like part of 50 shades of Grey @keen inlet

[lone junco]

in

[shrewd oriole]

Hello

I'm here

wait what did you remove jose

[hoary copper]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/964499769434558464

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

🤣 Have a great weekend! #BadJokeFriday

Retweets

375

Likes

1715

Twitter

[old sphinx]

how is ship so meh

960 ship trinket is 400K dmg

[hoary copper]

I give up on hiding the graphic, idk why the <> isnt working

[lone junco]

I like the graphic.

I dont want to click shit

[old sphinx]

wait is the ship trinket doing 400k overall or is it like in ticks ?

im much confused

[grim jay]

🤔

[lone junco]

@old sphinx got a log?

[old sphinx]

got this

[lone junco]

it would be in event viewer for a log. dunno.

[old sphinx]

mhh maybe I can find one

sec

oh its down anyway

[shrewd oriole]

You need to go out to ranged to use that

But yeah it does 400 to each target

Way reduced compared to casters

[old sphinx]

and thats all ?

that's like super shit

[shrewd oriole]

It’s amazon for casters

[cerulean depot]

It can crit too

[zealous dew]

stream stream stream

[hoary copper]

At least it isn't 400K split

[old sphinx]

I thought it's similar to glaives

[shrewd oriole]

We’re not doing it yet shantal

I’ve got some kids to educate

[old sphinx]

smOrc

[shrewd oriole]

We settled on 3 keys tho

[mighty summit]

So I'm working on the assassination module for WoWAnalyzer. We don't have a checklist. Any suggestions on what I should put on there?

[shrewd oriole]

Not decided which yet but

[old sphinx]

what kind of checklist do you need ?

[shrewd oriole]

Probably hov vault then something sub favored

Hov is neutral, vault is assa favored

[hoary copper]

Lower?

[old sphinx]

we could still try upper

[shrewd oriole]

Lower is way too much sub favored

[old sphinx]

instead of hov

[shrewd oriole]

I’ll legit do double his dps

[lone junco]

3.2 1.6 would be nice to see

[shrewd oriole]

But f we do upper and vault those are 2 assa favored

Nah he’s gonna do lkke 3 overall

[old sphinx]

ah right

[shrewd oriole]

I’ve done like 7

Dht is not bad

[old sphinx]

oh yeah DHT is good I need the goddamn ring still

[shrewd oriole]

Dht hov vault

I’ll ask divine to tank

[old sphinx]

we need a hunter for orbs

[shrewd oriole]

Nah any ranged will do

[hoary copper]

Ninja deleted and it was a better suggestion than I thought lol

[shrewd oriole]

Tbh

Bet I can convince Blake to come if I tell him he can come on his 950 hunter

That way we have both divine fields lmao

[prime void]

Do a bo3

3.keys

[old sphinx]

we are

[shrewd oriole]

We’ve said tha

Dht hov vault

[prime void]

Bruh

I dont habe time to scroll up

[shrewd oriole]

Ahah

[hoary copper]

Litterally just said it

No wonder you're 0-20000 for advice @prime void

[lone junco]

what is bo3?

oh nvm

[old sphinx]

best of 3

[lone junco]

just take a 15 and push and push and push.

[old sphinx]

^^

[lone junco]

grats

[prime void]

Yo

Im 1-4

[shrewd oriole]

The lower we go

[prime void]

Alright bud

[shrewd oriole]

The more I win by

[lone junco]

15 18 21

ezpz

[hoary copper]

The Rogue epeen challenge of 2018

[shrewd oriole]

On a 15 bosses wont even live vendetta lul

[prime void]

Tom only depletez- 15-14-13

[lone junco]

is what it is.

[shrewd oriole]

True

[lone junco]

live log.

[old sphinx]

this is gonna be mega poggers xD if I beat him im literally a god xD im at 3k r.io xDDD

im hyped bois

[shrewd oriole]

So many

Ecksdees

[lone junco]

key is what it is. no cherry pick. just run it up

[cerulean depot]

Whoever has most damage on explosives looses

[shrewd oriole]

😦

[strange python]

I hope those xDs are intentional

[old sphinx]

no I slipped sry

[shrewd oriole]

9gag is that way

[strange python]

pls dont type xD ever again

[lone junco]

the whole point of this conv is that the specs are imbalanced.

get a fucking upper Lower Arcway

[shrewd oriole]

So who streams

[old sphinx]

idc I

[shrewd oriole]

Thing is noobe, on the high trash dungeons assa is terrible

[lone junco]

it isnt a fair fight.

and

thats the whole fucking point

[shrewd oriole]

Ducking lower is the worst assa dung

[grim jay]

upper and lower at the same time.. ok.. a full run.. but arcway?

:°)

[shrewd oriole]

Even the boss is aoe xd

[lone junco]

so

thats the exact point

[shrewd oriole]

Eoa is terrible for him as well

[lone junco]

thats the exact point

[shrewd oriole]

We can do lower eoa dht

Kappa

[old sphinx]

nah eoa is poggers for last boss 😏

[cerulean depot]

Ok, do 13 dungeons then ,one of each

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

Whilst you’re doing damage on he last boss

I’m doing 50M burst on the blobs

Cya

[lone junco]

nah, a key run up is fine by me.

[shrewd oriole]

😩

[grim jay]

do vault and die in peace

[old sphinx]

I need all the energy I can get bois pray to our lord and saviour

[shrewd oriole]

Tom vs a boosted lock

kappa

[old sphinx]

[shrewd oriole]

Would still lose

[shrewd oriole]

Cuz lock

[lone junco]

old man music

none of that rap doggy dog shit.

[keen inlet]

unfortuantely

supes would just crush stark

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[old sphinx]

I dont even know where my streaming stuff went

[keen inlet]

or boil him with laser eyes

[shrewd oriole]

@keen inlet what did you delete earlier?

[heavy plover]

Is void elf male too kappa pride?

[lone junco]

superman is a bitch and let his dad die to a tornado

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[lone junco]

he is a bitch

See yah Kevin Costner. Go die in a wind.

[keen inlet]

you're gonna ahve to be more specific

haha

[lone junco]

🌪

[shrewd oriole]

You said something was not allowedv

[keen inlet]

🤔

[lone junco]

there are no rules other than dont wipe the group cause you wont hit the orbs.

[keen inlet]

ugh too much chat to scroll

[lone junco]

why would there be rules

[lone junco]

spanking time

🏏

[keen inlet]

oh

it was the spotify link

I was joke

[shrewd oriole]

Oh

Confused me if it actually wasn’t allowed ot

[keen inlet]

nah i think it's fine

[shrewd oriole]

Cuz weak listened to it with me for like two hours the other day

And I just wanted to snitch

[keen inlet]

yeah not like you're promoting something

[shrewd oriole]

Promoting the best artist in the world

[keen inlet]

I'm 90% sure it's okay

[lone junco]

should be a promo spam channel btw. I want to see streams

[keen inlet]

as it's baked into discord functionality

[shrewd oriole]

Mistah wahld waid

[keen inlet]

eh we have discussed that at length

multiple times

stream channel

[shrewd oriole]

I agree 100%

[keen inlet]

and we keep coming back to

"nah"

[shrewd oriole]

Why not

Rogue streams are far and few

[keen inlet]

a lot

of reasons

[shrewd oriole]

We should promote them

[keen inlet]

that i'm far too lazy

to list now

[gaunt moat]

not vague at all jose 😛

[keen inlet]

but here comes notter

[lone junco]

meh.

[keen inlet]

he can do it

😄

[lone junco]

it will probably be as useful as this shit.

[shrewd oriole]

Why is the discord

Not a democracy

[lone junco]

its owned by Fiery

[shrewd oriole]

We could have a poll over the course of a week

[lone junco]

go make your own

[shrewd oriole]

No one fucking cares about recruitment tho

Who comes to the rogue discord to find a guild

Now ask this Q

[lone junco]

come to find a rogue?

[shrewd oriole]

Who comes to the rogue discord to find a rogue stream

🤔

[lone junco]

I want to watch Rogue M+

tbh

[gaunt moat]

Basically, we discussed having a channel to promote content we want to show, instead of a channel where everyone can spam streams and make a mess.
but the conclusion was it would cause people to be unhappy as to why only certain people get that exposure, and would be messy as well.
and that's it's best to stick to how it is right now.

that being said, maybe we'll expand a bit of the website to promote community content. but i don't have details on that if it's going to happen.

[shrewd oriole]

Ok

That makes sense bht

[obtuse fulcrum]

Hey guys. Sorry for the interruption xd For our rotation without shoulders am I supposed to take the guides recommendation as this? First vanish is a refresh off the first garrote. All following vanishes are for rupture and to not refresh a NS rupture until it runs out completely?

[shrewd oriole]

Why not make a channel where you just link to ALLhigh key rogue mythic plus streamers

That way you don’t go through any selection

Apart from skill

[fast nacelle]

i can stream my weekly +15

if i get paid

[lone junco]

@obtuse fulcrum shoulder? vanish env.

[obtuse fulcrum]

No shoulder unfortunately fresh rogue xd

[lone junco]

sry read that wrong

[shrewd oriole]

I feel there’s a market for that notter

More so than a market for a recruitment channel

[hoary copper]

without shoulder vanish rupture

[shrewd oriole]

Also

[hoary copper]

http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ has rotations without shoulders too

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

[obtuse fulcrum]

Yeah that’s what I was looking at

But the guide shows vanish garrote on the opener but vanish rupture for later so I wante to be sure I was understanding t correctly

[fervent beacon]

You vanish rupture if you don't have mantle

[lone junco]

vanish garrote is only a subterfuge thing. and the least exciting spec possible.

[gaunt moat]

@shrewd oriole i personally was for curated content by us, but like i said, the opposite opinion is that it could make people unhappy they don't get to share their streams.
also, i'm kinda opposed to streams in general, i'd rather have pre-recorded content for that kind of stuff.
i would have only promoted live streams if it was conducive to the content, like a stream that is a Q&A / teaching

anyway i gotta go

[lone junco]

someone stream. and Ill promote you

[fast nacelle]

i dont get why its an issue for streams

[lone junco]

its not self promo

[fast nacelle]

we select people who post guides aswell and pin them

why not selecting good rogue streams aswell

[fervent beacon]

Stream me

[fast nacelle]

same way.

[fervent beacon]

and I will spin a fidget spinner on my nose

[gaunt moat]

or... you can just say "hey i'm streaming" and people will click on your profile to see the link...

[strange python]

will you eat a tide pod?

[lone junco]

no

[shrewd oriole]

Could we maybe

Pin cool streams on their respective spec channel?

[old sphinx]

aight im set up

[fervent beacon]

No, I only eat the costco brand pod

[obtuse fulcrum]

Ohh I missed the subterfuge part. Thanks for clarifying. So basically you early refresh the first rupture at the very beginning

[shrewd oriole]

Like pin miracle ashine dregan

[lone junco]

@worthy plaza do you stream much?>

[fervent beacon]

because A. its cheaper B. its superior

[gaunt moat]

anyways, i didn't wanted to go into a discussion, i just explained the current situation. it's not up to me anyway.

[old sphinx]

uhmm

that was for tom

[fast nacelle]

just gave my cent anyway.. not like i would care but if anyone streams with 3k+ m+ score i wouldn't mind him to be promoted

would be helpful for many lads to watch

[lone junco]

ye. esp with trufi

I dont want to hear stupid talking bullshit.

just pulls and killing. and dps.

Stjern streams sub.

so irrelevant

[zealous dew]

Seliathan

Streams sin

[lone junco]

is that someone I can ask qs?

or just some guy

[shrewd oriole]

Perks of being a twacher

[zealous dew]

He's pretty good

[strange python]

a what?

[shrewd oriole]

Teacher*

Sorry auto correct

[strange python]

I read that as twat-cher

[shrewd oriole]

Get to raid the kitchen for food

[fast nacelle]

we could advertise Noobe's mykappapridesexstream.com profile

[shrewd oriole]

It’s dope

[strange python]

I would watch that

[fast nacelle]

10/10

[zealous dew]

Incarnated on twitch noobe

[lone junco]

@fast nacelle revenue is revenue

prepare for some mediocre disapointment.

[fast nacelle]

😄

[shrewd oriole]

Tbh

[lone junco]

I can stream my shitty play.

[shrewd oriole]

I’d stream on my free cams if it was profitable

I can stream but I mostly play hunter in keys nowadays

[lone junco]

no cam. teach people how to parse purple in heroic.

[shrewd oriole]

Since my team does not need a rogue lol

[fast nacelle]

i can stream if i had more time 😦

[shrewd oriole]

Or stream myself boosting

[fast nacelle]

i could stream when i take a shower

[shrewd oriole]

Or stream myself struggling with law homework

[strange python]

oh my

[shrewd oriole]

Tyra putting the ASS in assa

[dense quest]

lol

[grim jay]

Well

you cant be upset anymore

[shrewd oriole]

The two worst systems of legion

In one picture

[lone junco]

both of my rings are from a box. so 👍

960

[shrewd oriole]

Cloak relic from box

[hoary copper]

Yea that Tom guy....def adds to that picture exdeee

[lone junco]

I did get one with cloak sprint sprint

[shrewd oriole]

My 980 pk relic rolled dark sorrows refra shell

[lone junco]

made me lol

[hoary copper]

I only get haste items in my box, makes me not want to m+

[keen inlet]

Hey

I will not tolerate

[fervent beacon]

My guild is basically enforcing the 'you don't do 15+, you get no raid loot' rule

😂

[keen inlet]

anybody speaking ill of

[dense quest]

time to switch loot spec to outlaw

[keen inlet]

RNG-based loot

[lone junco]

@fervent beacon we should have done that

[old sphinx]

oh no pirate speach inc

[keen inlet]

We all know it is the greatest, fairest way to distribute rewards

[lone junco]

1 box.

just fucking do 1.

[shrewd oriole]

Agree don

[fervent beacon]

Don, can Blizzard just give me ilvl 960 helm and gloves T21 already?

[keen inlet]

That rewards time and skill

[fervent beacon]

[shrewd oriole]

I heard method uses personal loot for their raids

[keen inlet]

above all else

clearly

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole group loot. just hit the coin or dice

[shrewd oriole]

Kek

[weary wasp]

yeah its not a psychological hook to drive addiction or anything, this rng

[shrewd oriole]

Anything other than ML

Lul

[lone junco]

MUST GET THAT CARROT

[weary wasp]

them endorphines BOOM

[keen inlet]

Nagash

who are you

[spare cloud]

wait wtf

chat just stuck.

[weary wasp]

just an ex wow player 😛

[keen inlet]

what spec did you play

[weary wasp]

assassin

[hoary copper]

I need coke and Captains to get through this work day

[weary wasp]

since wod

[strange python]

not to be confused with assassination

[keen inlet]

Everyone please react 🇫 to pay respect to our fallen brother, Nagashlad

[shrewd oriole]

LOL

ASSASSIN IN WOD

[keen inlet]

intercepted

[shrewd oriole]

THATS FUCKING

sad 😦

Press F for assa players in wod tbh

[weary wasp]

sub at the end ofc, that soul kappa trinket just too gewd

[shrewd oriole]

Brf

[keen inlet]

Soul capacitor

the true F

[shrewd oriole]

Sub was way better

Way way

[keen inlet]

that I never got.

[shrewd oriole]

Not to mention

[patent delta]

Do you guys usually use Dreadlords deceit / mantle in m+? Swap to Bracers mantle for bosses?

[shrewd oriole]

Assa in wod was so boring

[patent delta]

I saw it in the guide but it just mentions it as an option

[keen inlet]

@patent delta Cloak/mantle in M+, with 2p2p tier if you can

[weary wasp]

assa in wod was less boring than now imo, more procs and a bit faster

[patent delta]

Thanks Don Jose 😘

[keen inlet]

bracers mantle for boss, or boots maybe. idk. Depends on how long boss is up

if it's a quick boss bracers won't be too tasty

I wish

belt

were stronger

[shrewd oriole]

More procs?

You had one proc

[keen inlet]

to really get that big donger opener

[shrewd oriole]

Dispatch

Which was basically “oh gotta press that now”

[spare cloud]

Oh boy here I go killing again

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole reminder. there is no reason to play shoulder gloves outlaw for bulk cleave, right?

not really looking for "fun" just 8M trash packs over and over and over

[shrewd oriole]

I have

No idea about outlaw aoe leggos

It’s such a poorly designed spec that I never bothered

[keen inlet]

outlaw aoe leggos?

[shrewd oriole]

Even tho my outlaw outsims my sub

[keen inlet]

shoulder/gloves valid for M+

I don't care for the playstyle

but

it works

and is good practice apparently for blade flurry in bfa 😛

[shrewd oriole]

😦 new blade flurry

[keen inlet]

yeah

legit hate it.

But w/e.

depending on what they do with it I may main hunter or spriest in bfa

not gonna bench rogue but, idk

they gotta throw outlaw some bones (hah)

[lone junco]

stealth CBB open KS with BF gloves should have been gross.

alas.

cant do them together.

and both suck

so very dissapoint.

[kindred forge]

My outlaw also out sims, but only on sims...never managed to pull that numbers in real world

[lone junco]

always

I was 200k behind sim in Tomb.

"well this sucks"

[kindred forge]

I mean I sim like 1.97m and my best pull ever was 1.7m as outlaw in Antorus

[lone junco]

bracers are really awful.

i hate them, completely

[kindred forge]

While with Sin I am pulling the numbers I am simming wihtout a problem

[lone junco]

same

[shrewd oriole]

Snd or bones

200k undersim sounds like a player skill issue

[lone junco]

Rtb shoulder bracer has always simmed way high

way

[kindred forge]

Rtb mate...I don't think it is a player issue....I do count myself as a descent rogue

Playing it sense TBC

[rough halo]

is anyone running boots/bracers. 4 21, 2 20?

[shrewd oriole]

RtB does sim significantly higher

Than it does

I play snd tho

[kindred forge]

Don't saying I am best or something but descent yeah

[shrewd oriole]

Sim like 2.22 or something

[kindred forge]

Snd is so boring though 😦

[fast nacelle]

i dont think so

[shrewd oriole]

Outlaw is boring

[fast nacelle]

sim plays atm really well

[kindred forge]

While back with combat you did had SnD but you also had bleeds and shit to track

[shrewd oriole]

Long time since combat had bleeds

My favorite iteration of combat was either brf or siege

[lone junco]

@rough halo i do. for bleed. Jhonwei does for poison

2p4p bracer boot

[vapid moth]

Discord keeps force closing when I enter general chat. Wtf did yall do in there

[kindred forge]

@keen inlet btw, cloak for M+ as Sin is not so good idea 😃

At least in practice

[keen inlet]

Elaborate?

[kindred forge]

I would rather go with mantle+boots for AOE

[lone junco]

bleh

[keen inlet]

🤔

"i would rather"

Sounds

[lone junco]

vendetta and aoe do not mix

[keen inlet]

Like

[kindred forge]

Yes, personal opinion

[keen inlet]

FEELYCRAFT

to the pit with him

[lone junco]

I love feely crafts

[keen inlet]

[lone junco]

but thats not one I like.

[keen inlet]

To
The
PIT

[shrewd oriole]

What the fuck

Boots on aoe?

That’s dumb

[kindred forge]

Always feel like cloak stacks are building to slow

[kindred forge]

When running with some crazy ass tank

[keen inlet]

They still average more dmg losh

[shrewd oriole]

^

Bracers or cloak for aoe 101%

[kindred forge]

Hmmm.maybe you are right.... I should give it another try

[lone junco]

shoulder bracer

[shrewd oriole]

Boots are terrible in aoe

[lone junco]

all things have execute

[kindred forge]

Yeah using that Noobe

[keen inlet]

Boots would be my last choice in m+

[shrewd oriole]

Belt is probably better for aoe than boots lmao

[lone junco]

tbh, id like shoulder prydaz tbh.

[shrewd oriole]

Rogue

[lone junco]

good mastery and a fucking bubble

[shrewd oriole]

Prydaz

😦 no

[keen inlet]

Depends on key/affix tom

[lone junco]

you dont run with our shaman healer

[solid field]

may as well say sephuz

[keen inlet]

Prydaz has value. But anyway

Boots for aoe

Is just

Not a great idea

[kindred forge]

Prydaz + Tyranical + Hurya = LOVE

[keen inlet]

At all

[opaque mural]

tbh i prefer proccing chromosome bomb on aoe packs

[lone junco]

Cant suck at M+, if you never que

[shrewd oriole]

As a rogue

You hardly ever need prydaz

[keen inlet]

again

that depends on affixes and team

but yes, ideally, your healer is god and prydaz is "useless"

[lone junco]

I guess. anyway. I just wish I got more time in m+ and less time bitching about M+

[shrewd oriole]

No

[keen inlet]

but you can't deny that it's great stats and the shield is gucci (if "needed")

[sharp viper]

prydaz can be really nice on tyrannical weeks to help out the healer

[shrewd oriole]

You don’t use prydaz for healers

You use prydaz for one shots lol

[keen inlet]

splitting hairs

tommerino

[lone junco]

like the fucking sythe

fuck that boss

[shrewd oriole]

No

[keen inlet]

yes

[shrewd oriole]

Healers can’t save you from oneshots

More often than not

[rough halo]

@lone junco - thanks. I kinda want to try it, but the RNG of getting titanforged T20 :/

[shrewd oriole]

Scythes are your fault noobe ahaha

Prydaz is usually for shit like

Volley or bolt

[kindred forge]

Try do HOV +20 without prydaz

[shrewd oriole]

Lmao 20

Easy

Don’t be a spastic

[lone junco]

@rough halo my T20 is 915/920 beats 960/960 offset

[rough halo]

hmmmm

interesting

[shrewd oriole]

First boss most damage is avoidable

[lone junco]

just need to sim it.

[shrewd oriole]

Feint the Horn

wolf has basically no damage

[hollow trail]

use feint/crimson vial to mitigate more damage than prydaz + dont stand in fire = ???

[rough halo]

I gave away my 955 titanforged shoulders before entoras. to our other rogue, cause I had lego shoulders

[shrewd oriole]

Hyrja just cloak / feint / chest death

[rough halo]

Antorus(

[kindred forge]

Hyrja is my nemesis

[shrewd oriole]

God king you can spring the dash

That’s a player skill issue

Rogue is the tankiest melee in the game, hov is a joke for us tbh

[keen inlet]

hov you just

unsubscribe

😂

e z

[lone junco]

I dont mind hov.

[shrewd oriole]

Hov is cool

[lone junco]

maw is less enjoyable

[shrewd oriole]

One of my favorite dungeons

Super easy timer

[lone junco]

lantern guy in the boat is a mess

[shrewd oriole]

So easy to do on high keys timer wise

Maw is aids

What noobe, just skip him

[lone junco]

scythe gets me at least 1 a fight

[shrewd oriole]

The worst part about maw is the first pull

[lone junco]

is there a fucking book on which shit to skip? we just pull stuff.

[shrewd oriole]

The fucking defiant strikes are aoe cockblocks

[keen inlet]

the worst part about anything is everything

[lone junco]

we go left.

[shrewd oriole]

You can skip on the left

Kill doggie shroud rest

Until the two champs

Maw is my least favorite key probsbly

[lone junco]

you dont kill either lantern on teeming

see Im just fucking too dumb. we all just .. you know. kill stuff

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t do maw on teeming

[lone junco]

I dont fucking bitch out on keys

[shrewd oriole]

25 maw on teeming fortified

Have fun with mariner

: (

[lone junco]

we cant beat it on 15. dont worry

[manic vigil]

What is it with you guys today almost done with working and still haven't caught up in chat

[kindred forge]

Chating 😃

[lone junco]

do people literally hearth out when they skip a huge pack and die ?

watched a Rogerbrown strum and they skipped a ton of shit. then wiped. and all were like "rip hearth"

[shrewd oriole]

Basically

[lone junco]

that

THAT is some stupid bullshit

[shrewd oriole]

No shroud

[manic vigil]

[lone junco]

fuck that

[shrewd oriole]

You just wasted a shit load of time

I mean noobe

[lone junco]

nah.

[shrewd oriole]

If you’re pushing the timer is tight

[lone junco]

timer gimmicks

[shrewd oriole]

Losing the much time is a deplete 100%

[lone junco]

timer is the problem.

[shrewd oriole]

Depleted keys are a waste

More often than noe

Just go out and run it one lower rssy

Easy*

[lone junco]

just beat the instance or dont

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

If you’re doing it for score

There’s no point

[keen inlet]

I hate the timer

[lone junco]

:mindblown:

[keen inlet]

When they announced M+ I was hyped

then they announced timer

sad
face

[shrewd oriole]

You can just

Ignore

The timer lol

[keen inlet]

I get why it's needed for competition but I wish they had better ways to score performance.

[lone junco]

yeah. gimmicks are stupid. like Kite in early EoA? wut

[quick ice]

Not if you want to go higher

[manic vigil]

But would it make sense without a timer

[shrewd oriole]

No

[keen inlet]

It could.

[shrewd oriole]

How?

[lone junco]

Kill timer is fine. race timer for +3 is silly

[manic vigil]

How

[keen inlet]

Would be harder to code evaluation in

base it off performance factors.

[lone junco]

just beat it or dont. win = +1

[shrewd oriole]

^ that’s bad for competition

[lone junco]

so

[shrewd oriole]

Again, people could take an hour

They wanted it to be competitive

[keen inlet]

avg dps, dmg taken, healing done. How many mobs killed or skipped. CC bonus points. etc

[quick ice]

Or 5

[shrewd oriole]

But Jose

All of those

Translate

Into soeed

[lone junco]

warlock seed spam

[manic vigil]

That might work Don

[keen inlet]

They can, but they don't have to.

[shrewd oriole]

The more you pull the more you dps

[lone junco]

negates all otehr things.

[keen inlet]

Okay

hold up

chat scrolling too fast.

[manic vigil]

[keen inlet]

Let me try to explain.

[lone junco]

afk.

[shrewd oriole]

I get what you mean but

The speed metric is the easiest and best one

By far

It allows for creativity which for example damage taken wouldn’t

Like dying to skip mobs

[keen inlet]

So with like, an olympic event like gymnastics, right? They're not just judging how fast you are or how long your hold is etc. They're judging many factors on a rubric that get tied to performance

[shrewd oriole]

It allows for out of the box strats

[manic vigil]

When will Tom humiliate cyber in m+ btw

[keen inlet]

And right now all that M+ really is tuned for/balanced around is speed. Which throttles creativity into one direction.

[manic vigil]

I hope I didn't skip the section where it got canceled

[shrewd oriole]

Nah

Either in a few hours

Or tomorrow

[keen inlet]

What I'm saying is I'd like M+ to be more complex, and to do that, we have to mvoe beyond speed being king.

[shrewd oriole]

Idk man

Mythic plus is really complex

[keen inlet]

M+ has room for complexity and skill where even raids don't have as much.

[shrewd oriole]

Right now

[manic vigil]

@shrewd oriole ty

[shrewd oriole]

Mythic plus is so so so complex

People are coming up with new strats

[dense quest]

but everything is based around speed our boss kill our dps is all tied to how fast we kill it

[shrewd oriole]

Or attempting to

Every week

How to most efficiently do each pull

What packs to take which to skip

Dragging mobs along to keep sephuz up

Like yeah only to speed your timer but at the end of the day, it’s complexity

You can’t do high keys and tell me that shit is basic

[lone junco]

Like dying to skip mobs

FUUUCK That

death for mass rez skips

[shrewd oriole]

The path to find the fastest path is an interesting one

Like the Druid Jump skip

Ok sure mass res skips are bs

What about that one that dr jay did

With slow fall on eoa

That one is SO SICK

[lone junco]

there are zero skips that I think are cool

[keen inlet]

I'm not saying that's bad, necessarily. But speed shouldn't be the king factor, imo

[lone junco]

like none.

devs could solve them all.

[keen inlet]

I acknowledge that some stuff ppl do for the sake of speed is creative. But at the end of the day they're almost always exploiting in-game mechanics to skip stuff...which shouldn't be the point

[lone junco]

glad they took kites out btw

[dense quest]

I think the major problem is how to count the other factors

[keen inlet]

Right.

My proposal isn't easy.

[dense quest]

other stuff cant be measured

[keen inlet]

Which is why they went with speed = king

[dense quest]

easily measured

[keen inlet]

other stuff would make M+ more robust

and

here's the thing

[shrewd oriole]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TangentialGloriousCocoaYee

Watch that

If you don’t that cool idk I’ll give up

[keen inlet]

I think it would be better if the M+ invitational weren't judged solely on speed.

real judges judging on multiple factors.

[shrewd oriole]

But all those factors you mentioned affect speed

[lone junco]

not cool. ban mid competition

period

[shrewd oriole]

If you’re dying you’re not fast

[keen inlet]

I understand if it's too complicated to do that for automatic M+ system other times

[lone junco]

fuck the tree hopping.

[shrewd oriole]

If you’re doing low dps you’re not fast

[lone junco]

nah. literally ban.