assassination

[glossy galleon]

@keen inlet maybe its rip exsang and rip tb

[shrewd oriole]

in game on alpha it's 2, that's what I meant

[keen inlet]

@glossy galleon that might be worse tbh

[shrewd oriole]

no VR is dogshit

[strange python]

Oh

[keen inlet]

I mean TB is meh, never cared for it

[shrewd oriole]

VR is total dogshit

[keen inlet]

but I wanted exang to be more interesting

[shrewd oriole]

super weird nerf

[glossy galleon]

http://bfa.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination @hoary copper

[strange python]

but something was mentioned about that 40 sec vanish, but i can't imagine lowering the cd like that

[glossy galleon]

oh, they changed vr

yeah nvm

[old sphinx]

like keep vanish for pb procs and then vanish for 50%more crit window

[glossy galleon]

rip vr

[quick ice]

@shrewd oriole 10e venomous wounds baseline?

[jovial kite]

jose

[glossy galleon]

iron wire seems like it could be good on some adds on boss fights

[hoary copper]

ah thanks

[quick ice]

Or is it 7e baseline

[glossy galleon]

adds that cast but need to be moved

[shrewd oriole]

7 base

[glossy galleon]

8 seconds of silence is a lot

[strange python]

inb4 reduced by 50% in pvp

[shrewd oriole]

the silence is from stealth only

[glossy galleon]

they finally fix haste then nerf alacrity

[strange python]

they won't allow 8 sec silence in pvp

[shrewd oriole]

so you'd have to use vanish to do an 8 second silence on an add

[strange python]

@glossy galleon they removed it?

[quick ice]

Oh 100% @strange python

[glossy galleon]

@strange python pvp isnt real anyway

[shrewd oriole]

they removed alacrity yeah

[glossy galleon]

no alacrity

[keen inlet]

@jovial kite ?

[quick ice]

RIP flowi

[shrewd oriole]

Ep is super cool to play with

wish it simmed higher on live

[strange python]

OMFG can't wait to try MfD, gonna be ebast

j fkcing k

[shrewd oriole]

just play PB

[jovial kite]

@keen inlet nvm actually

[shrewd oriole]

pb feels fine lol

[quick ice]

Tried dispatch?

[shrewd oriole]

16/20% feels neat

yeah

[keen inlet]

I don't understand why sin still has MFD

[shrewd oriole]

it's not bad

[old sphinx]

have you tried bleed and Crimson tempest for aoee ?

[shrewd oriole]

if you think about it jose

[keen inlet]

except maybe because "marked for death" = "assassination class fantasy" lul

[old sphinx]

@shrewd oriole ?

[shrewd oriole]

mfd is similar to vendetta

[glossy galleon]

oh man

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah I have

[keen inlet]

let's re-open that debate

[strange python]

aye lol

[old sphinx]

how is it ?

[shrewd oriole]

CT rn feels like shit

[glossy galleon]

mfd with master assassin

[old sphinx]

:/

[glossy galleon]

vanish env mfd env

[keen inlet]

CT will be better with scaling on high keys

calling it now

[quick ice]

Low damage from ct?

[hoary copper]

CT is a cool idea at least

[keen inlet]

m+ high key godmode

[shrewd oriole]

more reliable probably

[jovial kite]

ct as good as toffifay?

[shrewd oriole]

PB is still like, the best aoe in the game

[old sphinx]

pls no

[glossy galleon]

do we get energy from ct ticks though?

[shrewd oriole]

it's just unreliable

[jovial kite]

unreliable = / = the best

imho

[shrewd oriole]

ye we do, functions exactly like it did in wod

[hoary copper]

PB is good, if nothing is moving though

[shrewd oriole]

well the best damage wise

[jovial kite]

reliable lower dmg i find better

[lone junco]

@keen inlet yes don. high keys on the move with kiting with packs over 5+ will be very good for CT

[shrewd oriole]

assa is dogshit in keys for a reason

[quick ice]

We haven't seen azerite bonuses at all yet, right?

[shrewd oriole]

yeaaaaaaah noobe

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole yes.

[old sphinx]

hold

it

[shrewd oriole]

finally a rogue spec is gonna have movement aoe

[shrewd night]

It would help alot if the poisonpool followed the fucking mobs tho

[jovial kite]

i dont think kiting will be as big of a thing as it was in this expansion

[old sphinx]

assa is good in m+ if you do it right

[shrewd oriole]

will feel good for kiting

[jovial kite]

they are bringing cc meta back

[lone junco]

I fucking hope so

[hoary copper]

PB is pretty much flame patch from fire mage, least CT would be good if things are on the move

[lone junco]

Kill the timers.

[shrewd oriole]

@old sphinx assa is alright in a few keys

they nerfed a ton of cc tho dude

[keen inlet]

well

[shrewd oriole]

shockwave, hunter arrow

[keen inlet]

there's that new affix

[shrewd oriole]

I think kiting is gonna be even more important

[keen inlet]

Blight

that's gonna wreck speed

[jovial kite]

they nerfed aoe cc pretty much

[lone junco]

i hate HATE build for race speed. cant compete with the fat trash cleave.

[shrewd oriole]

nerfing aoe cc

[jovial kite]

thats why you cc

[shrewd oriole]

just means kiting will be even better

[lone junco]

cc is origin.

[old sphinx]

they better nerf sanguine then

[shrewd oriole]

yeah, stuff like kidney will be better

[jovial kite]

im talking permafear sap etc

[calm grail]

What about those data mind engineering bombs?

[jovial kite]

not kidneyshot

[shrewd oriole]

but kiting will be even better considering you cant just mass cc burst packs

[calm grail]

Mined*

[shrewd oriole]

aaah

you talking about disables

yeah sure but that doesnt disallow kiting

[old sphinx]

#bringbackgougetosin

[jovial kite]

true

[shrewd oriole]

@lone junco you mean

[lone junco]

w/e

[shrewd oriole]

nelts

the dungeon where u kite the most

LOL

[lone junco]

I dont mind kiting. I mind the mass trash cleave.

[calm grail]

Everybody in my group is an engineer, and frag Bell surf super useful to the point that we almost don't need stuns

[shrewd oriole]

ah

[lone junco]

and reqarding for that.

[calm grail]

Obviously they are still useful

[shrewd oriole]

I feel

i mean

speed running

goes hand in hand with mass trash cleave

[old sphinx]

yeah ...

[lone junco]

speed run is toxic design.

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

people like it

[old sphinx]

wait what ?

[devout hollow]

lol

what else is there left

[lone junco]

ditch the timer. give complete or not

[devout hollow]

should we do math problems mid m+

[shrewd oriole]

I like speed running

[jovial kite]

true cm

without just get the most aoe and fuck everything up

[lone junco]

I hated cm cause of the stat squish

[shrewd oriole]

lmao gotta disagree with you noobe

[hoary copper]

Outlaw talents dont look a whole lot different yet?

[jovial kite]

cm was bae

[lone junco]

meh.

[shrewd oriole]

maybe you dislike it cuz you play assa but

the speed at which m+ goes

the adreline

is part of the reason I like it

[jovial kite]

the violence

the speed

momentum

[shrewd oriole]

slaughter a family of demons, move on asap

[old sphinx]

m+ is cool

[shrewd oriole]

fish feasts cuz you eat iinsta

[old sphinx]

🆒

[lone junco]

20+ mob trash pulls is fucking bullshit.

[shrewd oriole]

stuff like that

without the element of speed you can just do dungeons in an hour

pull super safe

that's

SO BORING

[old sphinx]

^^^^^

[lone junco]

so.?

[devout hollow]

the wyrmtongue hallway in brh 20+

[calm grail]

If you don't like the timer noobe, what would you like to derive difficulty from?

[shrewd oriole]

oh yeah pulling 3 mobs at a time, wohoo

[lone junco]

just complete or not.

[shrewd oriole]

big pulls are the reason I do m+

I mean

you can still do that

it's called

raiding

[lone junco]

meh.

[strange python]

i need help with rogue spec T_T

[lone junco]

SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE

[old sphinx]

read guide

[viscid helm]

you can still just complete the run

and ignore timer

whats the issue

[shrewd oriole]

^that as well

[devout hollow]

i need help with rng trinket drops

[strange python]

ty

[lone junco]

we do that.

[calm grail]

You don't even need to do stupid stuff to three chests most dungeons

Until you get to 20 or higher

[devout hollow]

same

[shrewd oriole]

then

[lone junco]

w/e

[shrewd oriole]

what's the problem noobe

[devout hollow]

at least 15s i brought my new dk through to tank

[lone junco]

its still good content.

[devout hollow]

and you just do packl by pack but timers no issue

[shrewd oriole]

just ignore the timer and let the people who like it keep it

now I see why you dont like mass pulls

[lone junco]

ayyy

[calm grail]

I imagine it's the sort of situation where you are sitting behind a pane of glass watching the cool kids do their thing and have fun and you are kind of sad you cannot partake

[old sphinx]

[jovial kite]

m+

fun

[lone junco]

warlocks doing 30M?

me like 4

holy shit

[shrewd oriole]

play

sub

shitter

[heavy plover]

Hey guys bit of a noob question but how do i input my crucible data from simcraft do i just type /simc and paste it in?

[lone junco]

"skill"

[shrewd oriole]

80M on audience

[lone junco]

AP grind

[shrewd oriole]

you'd enjoy mass pulls alright

[lone junco]

ugh.

yeah. sub is still at like 68

[shrewd oriole]

rip

[calm grail]

If you don't like playing subtlety, you could still easily three chests fifteens to farm loot

[old sphinx]

hah, double triple pb procs on wyrm masspull in upper

[heavy plover]

Hey guys bit of a noob question but how do i input my crucible data from simcraft do i just type /simc and paste it in?

[shrewd oriole]

yeah but

15's

are like doing normal

[viscid helm]

68 sub is still better than Assa

[jovial kite]

@Rhys#2615 /simc and paste

[shrewd oriole]

^

LUL

[jovial kite]

if it doesnt let you do it on raidbots, update ur simc addon

[devout hollow]

4?

[lone junco]

you know why i stopped sub tbh.

[devout hollow]

did you not proc 3 poisonbombs

yikes

[lone junco]

killed trash so fast that the other dps were like . . . 😦

[shrewd oriole]

ahaha

[lone junco]

reals

[shrewd oriole]

do higher keys

[lone junco]

cant

[shrewd oriole]

you wont kill mobs fast dw

[lone junco]

we struggle on 15s

[old sphinx]

[shrewd oriole]

rip

[devout hollow]

[lone junco]

its fine. just content

yay

[heavy plover]

@jovial kite thanks, but it just says it's out of date even when it's indate, i'll try mess around with it

[jovial kite]

you sure ? though 🤔

[prime void]

bro

when pb procs on audience

[lone junco]

Ill do some sub M+ this weekend. might make me lol again.

[prime void]

I nut so hard.

@shrewd oriole

[devout hollow]

when PB is up through both mantle buffs

[prime void]

11m opener on argus tonight

[old sphinx]

👀

[prime void]

pb during opener and vanish

[shrewd oriole]

Oh shit

[prime void]

with cinidaria

[lone junco]

pbomb rng is not my thing.

[prime void]

I nutted.

[shrewd oriole]

that's higher than I ever had

I did a 14M on ahc

[prime void]

we only had 19 in group

[shrewd oriole]

rip

[prime void]

so I was trying to carry us before 8th rage lol

[lone junco]

I had a pull of like 25 mana wyrms. 0 bomb

[prime void]

it was just 1 pull haha

dude had to shit lol

[shrewd oriole]

that's assa for you

[devout hollow]

same

[shrewd oriole]

whenever someone asks why assa is trash on keys

[old sphinx]

I mean there's still glaives

or ship

[shrewd oriole]

refer to that statement

[devout hollow]

better make it a talent in BFA

[shrewd oriole]

glaives as assa LUL

[prime void]

glaives are booty for sin

no modifiers

=shit

[shrewd oriole]

20% st modifier

Kappa

[lone junco]

sub glaives make me giggle.

[prime void]

they make me cum personally

[lone junco]

sub cloak makes my hunter cry

[old sphinx]

what's wrong with glaives on assa

[shrewd oriole]

same

theyre' trash cyber

not really worth using

[jovial kite]

glaives are fine if you run back shoulders swap

[old sphinx]

nah they're not

[shrewd oriole]

just use doggos and a stat stick

[jovial kite]

nope

[lone junco]

I tried mastery bombs for trash.

[jovial kite]

yo switch to doggos / stat stick

[lone junco]

:sad eggplant:

[shrewd oriole]

doggos statsticks is quite good

[lone junco]

still not 18M ret cleave. or 30M lock.

[old sphinx]

why keep st when you can go full aoe , with glaives pb procs and panth procs

[shrewd oriole]

glaives are really not great

panth procs

in dungeons

[old sphinx]

y'alll need to pray harder

[devout hollow]

ive got fang and a 915 mastery relinquished

[shrewd oriole]

aoe

wait

are you using

[jovial kite]

glaives are good if you intend to burst

[viscid helm]

pantheon doesnt aoe

[shrewd oriole]

pantheon on aoe cyber

AHAHAHA

a u t i s m

[jovial kite]

30 stack back w/ shoulder + glaives is good

[serene hinge]

Lol wait...what happened that made Master Assassin better than Master Alch now?

[lone junco]

for sub

@serene hinge get them both

[shrewd oriole]

korean advice

[jovial kite]

even for sin

[serene hinge]

Well I understand that

[shrewd oriole]

pantheon is so bad for aoe jesus

[lone junco]

995 Agi is still good

[serene hinge]

But I thought Alch was better if you only had one or the other

[shrewd oriole]

sure

but you can just get a stat stick

[serene hinge]

Wasn't that how it was until very recently?

[lone junco]

"just"

they dont go that high.

[keen inlet]

haha

just

[jovial kite]

whats the issue in swapping to a stat stick

[lone junco]

910 vendor 👌

[keen inlet]

is a four letter word

in my job

[old sphinx]

I mean It' depends on the dungeon but, really dont have a better 2nd trinket for aoe

[shrewd oriole]

dogs?

[prime void]

i mean

you should never run panth for aoe

[shrewd oriole]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[old sphinx]

my dogs are still 945

[prime void]

Like panth + key packs is just dumb.

[old sphinx]

...

[keen inlet]

literally anybody talking to my department
"Well you could just "
Me: let me stop you right there

[shrewd oriole]

it's basically a 4k agi statstick

[prime void]

945 > panths for aoe

[old sphinx]

my panth is 995

[shrewd oriole]

a 945 doggos trinket is better than pantheon

LOL

[prime void]

Way better tbh.

[lone junco]

dogs is nice.

I use panth and dogs.

[old sphinx]

mhh aight didnt think that

[jovial kite]

still dont see the issue in starting with glaive and swapping to stat stick / doggos

[shrewd oriole]

mate it's 4k agi static vs like 5k agi 3k crit rng

[devout hollow]

i use FF and 400 iq bomb placement

[keen inlet]

The worst part about doggo trink is that the visual procs always confuse me, like I forget it's a thing

[old sphinx]

so dogs and ship/glaives are aight ?

[shrewd oriole]

@jovial kite the dps increase is really not that significant

[lone junco]

btw. dogs proc on pull.

so during shoulder it is massive

[keen inlet]

and think my transmog got messed up somehow

[jovial kite]

its more than just stat stick

[shrewd oriole]

ye

[jovial kite]

soooo?

[shrewd oriole]

but it's not significant enough that most people bother for assa

[lone junco]

if I zone out can I change spec for M+?

like Shoulder Cloak sub, then Sin Exang boss?

[jovial kite]

i mean

if you play assa

you swap gear

[shrewd oriole]

I do it for eye

[lone junco]

Not talents, spec.

[shrewd oriole]

yeah

[torn token]

yes you can zone out to change spec

[jovial kite]

if you play assa you cloak shoulder vanish into bracers

if your intention is to burst aoe

[old sphinx]

yeah i do that

[jovial kite]

you also can use glaives if you intend to burst aoe

[lone junco]

ill just run like 5M+ over the weekend as sub and get my fingers back in place.

[old sphinx]

aight perf

[shrewd oriole]

kek

[lone junco]

shoulder cloak was pretty fun.

[shrewd oriole]

bursting as sub is pretty fun

[devout hollow]

what do you mean by cloak shoulder vanish bracers

like switching bracers out of combat?

[jovial kite]

its a thing tom dunno why u kekking

[lone junco]

he swaps gear during combat.

[shrewd oriole]

the kek was for noobe

[lone junco]

during vanish

[jovial kite]

its maximising your burst for set packs

[shrewd oriole]

I know it's a thing

[jovial kite]

oh

[devout hollow]

yeah cause vanish will drop u from combat

I get that

[lone junco]

what is a kek

[jovial kite]

@devout hollow use vanish and swap gear

[devout hollow]

shit i have not been optmizing

[jovial kite]

you have macro

[shrewd oriole]

an old school lol

but the thing is

when I play assa I wanna relax

[lone junco]

sin is like 77pts sub is like 68

ugh.

[shrewd oriole]

if I'm doing gear swaps that's too much brain power

[old sphinx]

what's wrong with you relaxing in m+ ?!

[devout hollow]

lmao

[lone junco]

yeah im not doing gear swaps at vanish.

[shrewd oriole]

sub 20's are relaxing dude

so chill

[lone junco]

not for me.

jesus

[shrewd oriole]

cruise control

[prime void]

m+ being chill depends on your group so much

[old sphinx]

who even runs sub 20's anymore ?

[devout hollow]

wait so you would use your 30 stack of deceit

[prime void]

some 20s im straight chilling

[shrewd oriole]

and if I'm not relaxing I'd much rather play sub

[torn token]

swap gear during vanish sounds so aids lol

[prime void]

others I want to kms

[devout hollow]

and then AFTER vanish for bracers

[old sphinx]

except noobe 🤔

[lone junco]

keep myself simmed

[shrewd oriole]

I do

this week

[prime void]

I run sub 20s daily

[jovial kite]

@devout hollow you would open with fok, do ur thing until your 1st shoulder buff drops then vanish gearsetmacro continue

[devout hollow]

gotcha

[prime void]

because fuck pushing keys when you're extremely drunk

[devout hollow]

seems easy enough

[jovial kite]

i run ns for this

[shrewd oriole]

agred mizuxe

[jovial kite]

as it makes cloak better

[old sphinx]

yeah but even then I go full poggers, so it's over asap

[shrewd oriole]

again

if I wanan go full poggers

I might as well play sub

cuz it does more damage

[old sphinx]

yeah if you have right gear maybe

[shrewd oriole]

if I'm playing assa, I'm relaxing

[lone junco]

I prob have some really good sub gear by now.

[shrewd oriole]

"right gear" you mean cloak shoulders and glaives

LUL

and a lot of gutrippers

[lone junco]

the 3 gutrippers still there

ye

[prime void]

sub is ez af to gear for

[shrewd oriole]

ye

stack mastery

[prime void]

can run your sin gear and be chilling tbh

[shrewd oriole]

oh wait

it's the same as sin

[prime void]

^^^^^^^^^^

[devout hollow]

?

doesnt sub want vers crit

[jovial kite]

i mean

[prime void]

tf?

vers crit

sub

[devout hollow]

wait not crit

[jovial kite]

gearswap is lterally 1 button

[old sphinx]

im confused

[prime void]

thunkuing

[devout hollow]

hello

[prime void]

hello

[jovial kite]

hello

[old sphinx]

my whole life has appearantly been a lie

[shrewd oriole]

vers is mostly ST for sub

[devout hollow]

do not bully

[lone junco]

mastery is evisc bonus right?

[shrewd oriole]

any finisher

[lone junco]

ill be gucchi with 95% evisc crit.

[shrewd oriole]

ye boi

[lone junco]

• shoulder

[old sphinx]

so you're telling me I can sin gear sub m+ ?

[shrewd oriole]

yeah

[devout hollow]

yes I think im remmebering stat prio from a st sim

my bad

[shrewd oriole]

lmao

crit is not better than mastery for st tho

[devout hollow]

YEAH WELL I MADE AMISTAKE

[keen inlet]

mixuxe

[devout hollow]

[keen inlet]

is so

smol

[shrewd oriole]

@lone junco meh not really

4p is terrible for aoe

run 2p 2p

[lone junco]

2p2p shoulder cloak

[shrewd oriole]

yep

[lone junco]

Ill do what i can. that dead gfx card threw a kink in my plans.

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/ifn27d

this is my aoe set up

t20 pants would be better than head

[lone junco]

I dont have the void contract

[shrewd oriole]

sub it out for doggos

[lone junco]

but ill find something

[shrewd oriole]

doggos is close to contract

[lone junco]

mines any good for alternate glaives?

[shrewd oriole]

better in a lot of scenarios but contract is burst for prio targets

mines is ok if your tank doesnt move the adds much

[lone junco]

pure trash wise.

[keen inlet]

Mines are okay but actually in testing lose some dmg when you intentionally blow em early

[lone junco]

he has glaives I have glaives. we can work it out.

[keen inlet]

they do the most dmg full duration auto-booming

which is just

[shrewd oriole]

I'd run doggos over mines

[keen inlet]

really bad design

but w/e

[lone junco]

ill bind it to my dance.

like specter

[shrewd oriole]

personally

[old sphinx]

but sir, my sub st is so much weaker than my sin st, that I'll probably make up for the aoe loss (not being sub) by st dmg alone

[shrewd oriole]

not really

[old sphinx]

nvm the pb procs

[shrewd oriole]

only if you're really shit at sub

[calm grail]

I should whip out the ol sub set for m+ I guess.

[devout hollow]

eh

[lone junco]

sin for tyr. sub for fort.

[prime void]

sub and sin st are really close

and the gap in the pack to pack is massive

[devout hollow]

compared an overall with a sub recently

not that close

[calm grail]

Do you switch gear sets between bosses and trash?

[shrewd oriole]

I do significant less dps as sub

@calm grail yeah, gloves shoulders for st

pantheon + whatever

my sub is like 100k lower than my assa on st

[prime void]

if you arent swapping gear in m+ you're doing it wrong

[calm grail]

Pantheon and doggo?

[shrewd oriole]

still, total damage will be much much higher

[prime void]

pantheon and EoC for bosses.

For both specs.

[old sphinx]

yes I go gloves shoulders for bosses but even then , I'm mostly around 2m boss dmg, while on sin I am 2.5 and over

[shrewd oriole]

pantheon doggo / eoc / vari

[prime void]

if eoc gets value

[shrewd oriole]

sounds like a player skill issue tbh

should practice sub more

[lone junco]

i try sin. shoulder bracer trash.

[old sphinx]

hmm aight that may be

[shrewd oriole]

maybe your relics are trash

[lone junco]

but the low bomb kills me.

[calm grail]

You play assassination in Mythic Plus, you still change gear as much?

[shrewd oriole]

depends on the ilvl of your eoc mizu

I dont run eoc

[prime void]

960 😉

[calm grail]

I found that cloak doesn't seem to be worth it generally

[shrewd oriole]

: (

[prime void]

I have 2

[shrewd oriole]

mine's 940

[prime void]

want one ?

i have 2 950s too

[calm grail]

If it's fortified

[shrewd oriole]

please

[calm grail]

For sin

[shrewd oriole]

I've been farming upper for so long

[prime void]

960 memento aswell

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/ifn4f0

[old sphinx]

I mean up until now I only changed trinket on sin m+ ... but appearantly I was wrong all along

[shrewd oriole]

I even have this

[prime void]

and no dog trinkets. Cuz im lowest prio aha

[shrewd oriole]

memento is ok, doggos is ebtter

that's how much I've farmed upper

I have 4 of those belts at 955+

[calm grail]

I run 995 Pantheon 960 doggo

[devout hollow]

d a n k

[shrewd oriole]

pantheon on aoe

🤔

[prime void]

idk man

[calm grail]

Talking about sin

[prime void]

memento in my groups is pretty strong

LOL

[old sphinx]

I'll try it out next weak with swapping to another trinket aswell

[shrewd oriole]

lul

[prime void]

youre eu right tom ?

[shrewd oriole]

what even are the affixes next week

[old sphinx]

fortified something

xD

[shrewd oriole]

bursting quaking forti

yeah I am mizu cmonbruh

[calm grail]

Quaking. Doesn't even hurt that much, but it's super fucking annoying.

[shrewd oriole]

try being a caster

it's silences u

if u're casting

kek

[old sphinx]

we're not

so

we got that going for su

[calm grail]

I would never be a Caster, not some fucking dress wearing baby.

[old sphinx]

bursting is for the healer to deal with ... so Idc..

[tough lantern]

with mantle and nightstalker you want to use Envenom from stealth/vanish instead of rupture correct?

[calm grail]

Bursting and quaking aka "not my problem" week.

Hooray!

[old sphinx]

well dungeon's still not gonna go too well ...

unless you got like a super pogchamp healer

[shrewd oriole]

quaking is easy

bursting can be a bit hard depending on comp

[old sphinx]

yeah quaking aint a problem

[prime void]

@tough lantern yes

[tough lantern]

ty

[lone junco]

@prime void I have 935 memento. that + dogs for sin cleave over dogs 995 argus?

[old sphinx]

but the debff can be dispelled right ?

[hoary copper]

Quaking is more annoying than anything. Sometimes I just stay where I am and let everyone else move

[old sphinx]

it's like that fly in high summer that keeps coming for your sweaty ass while you tryna focus up

just super annoying

I think double melee comp might be viable next week 🤔

[lone junco]

we run 3x melee far more than we should

@shrewd oriole

[old sphinx]

[calm grail]

It might not be necessarily ideal, but I run myself, my Windwalker friend, and usually a mage or Affliction lock

Pretty much always double melee

[shrewd oriole]

3 melee is

a big frowny face

[lone junco]

thats probably part of our prob as well. bad comps. all over the place

[shrewd oriole]

double melee is

not that bad

[lone junco]

when we get 0 battle rez i cringe so hard.

[shrewd oriole]

triple melee is garbage

[calm grail]

I feel like Rogue and WWalker is okay

My Windwalker friend does ridiculous damage, so I like having him in my dungeons anyhow

[old sphinx]

I can allow a windwalker to help out on certain dungeons

[lone junco]

if anything, ret rogue is what we will run.

[old sphinx]

but another rogue 🤔

[prime void]

thats tricky noobe

Not a great trinket setup :/

[calm grail]

I don't know about you guys, but I hate other rogues in dungeons and my guild.

[lone junco]

he switched a few things around, and does like 9M on that 1min Hectic3boss

[calm grail]

Make it my mission to destroy them

[prime void]

because they're better or ?

[lone junco]

I dont pug up.

i mean once.

[old sphinx]

I'd love to have another rogue than myself in raid

[calm grail]

No not better.

[lone junco]

other than that, I carry everyone

thaks giggle for destroying all confidence i had.

[old sphinx]

but 1 rogue in m+ is enough

[calm grail]

One stealthy boy

Is gucci

[shrewd oriole]

I love having other rogues in my G

a) I get to beat them

b) boosts my ego

[calm grail]

It's nice having people to beat

[old sphinx]

[shrewd oriole]

c) can always talk about how nerfs suck

[old sphinx]

bully tom

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

[devout hollow]

im the only rogue in my guild too feelslonely

[calm grail]

The one thing I hate though, is once in a blue moon, he will get more poison bombs than me on high command, and people will ask me if I'm all washed up now 😂

And I go punch myself

[lone junco]

I beat our rogue every single time. some times in bracer.

[old sphinx]

as I said y'all need to pray harder

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

[old sphinx]

I love poison bombs and appearantly they love me

[shrewd oriole]

I beat our rogue so badly

[calm grail]

What feels pretty good though is when he beats me by like 10 million overall, but he had like 60 million over in Poison bomb damage

[shrewd oriole]

that he's benched

[calm grail]

That's what usually happens with the extra one in my group

[prime void]

I beat our rogue so bad

[shrewd oriole]

lul

[prime void]

we dont have a rogue

:0

[old sphinx]

you beat yourself :0

[prime void]

exactaly 😉

[old sphinx]

that's not healthy

[prime void]

long dick game

[calm grail]

Noobe, you're NA right?

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/ifndcu

rest in peace ylirogue

[old sphinx]

I'm still a strong believer that sin can beat sub in m+ if you play right, so I'll keep playing it...

[lone junco]

I think we found a problem.

[calm grail]

I don't believe that as it currently stands, but I don't have fun playing subtlety other than the novelty of the quick burst.

[shrewd oriole]

you're just

factually wrong

I mean

if you said

[calm grail]

I like DoT classes.

[lone junco]

eww

[prime void]

hey cyber

[shrewd oriole]

"assa is worse but I prefer it and I dont play at a level where it really matters"

[prime void]

why do all the good rogues play sub then ?

[shrewd oriole]

no one would say anything

[prime void]

thunking

[lone junco]

"assa is worse but I prefer it and I dont play at a level where it really matters"

[prime void]

play sin on upper kara

[shrewd oriole]

but you keep claiming something that's simply unture

[lone junco]

literally me the last few months.

[shrewd oriole]

that's fucking totally fine

[lone junco]

I like sin on upper tho

[shrewd oriole]

if you're world rank 20000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 or do 20's

[prime void]

thats what im saying

[shrewd oriole]

who cares about your spec

[prime void]

sin is good on upper

haha

[calm grail]

I'm in the small minority that acknowledges that sub is better (for m+), I just don't like playing it.

[lone junco]

I hate Sub on curator.

[shrewd oriole]

play the game for fun

[lone junco]

the stains are really rough.

[calm grail]

^

[lone junco]

and exang is so fucking strong on the evoc phase.

[calm grail]

That's the way I figure it, acknowledge your weaknesses, play for fun, and do the best you can and what you are doing

You can still have plenty of people to play

With

[shrewd oriole]

but dont pick a spec because of personal preference and then go like "uhm actually sin can be pretty good"

no you dipshit you didnt even consider that wheny uo picked sin

[old sphinx]

I mean I can agree that sub is the general go to spec for m+ but I believe that i'm able to outplay that difference on the level of dungeon that I currently play

do you like that better ?

[shrewd oriole]

you picked sin cuz you like it

[lone junco]

I stuck with sin cause of AP grind to 75

[shrewd oriole]

and that's a fine reason so dont excuse yourself

[lone junco]

I had to literally pick one for raid.

cant do all 3

[shrewd oriole]

if you do more damage overall as aassa than as sub

[lone junco]

I cant gear for 7 builds.

[shrewd oriole]

you're probably a bad sub

[lone junco]

prob true

[old sphinx]

yeah I am ...

[calm grail]

You're talking about dungeons right?

[shrewd oriole]

outplaying a spec that you underperform in isnt hard

[lone junco]

yes

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

[lone junco]

not raid bosses.

[shrewd oriole]

yeah ofc lol sub doesnt exist outside of dungeons

have you seen the sub channel

[old sphinx]

no I mean I can out play other rogues on my level of difficulty

[zealous dew]

best place ever

[fair rain]

God you guys are a circle jerk

[lone junco]

🏏

[shrewd oriole]

that shit is DEADER than my dpriest on argus p1

[lone junco]

@fair rain blocked still

[fair rain]

?

[zealous dew]

sub channel is the best these days

[shrewd oriole]

alright cyber

lets do a key

[lone junco]

I keed.

[zealous dew]

no toxicity

[shrewd oriole]

outplay me

cmonbruh

[devout hollow]

[old sphinx]

sure ^^ let's try

[zealous dew]

stream it!

[lone junco]

@zealous dew why dont you sub for M+. is the 25 mob hps just that high that you can get away with sin?

[hoary copper]

So much toxicity you could cut it with a

[calm grail]

You need to log in, so we can see the overall damage at the end

And no blaming anything on poison bomb if he gets lucky

[lone junco]

I guess with 14 sec trash pulls, it doesnt matter what you play

[zealous dew]

don't have sub gear noobe

[lone junco]

is that all?

[shrewd oriole]

@old sphinx whats ur btag

[zealous dew]

way behind

[old sphinx]

lemme pm you

[shrewd oriole]

kk

[devout hollow]

[zealous dew]

yeah but we want to watch

stream it

[calm grail]

TOM you better fucking log.

I need something interesting to read

[shrewd oriole]

I'll stream and log dw

[calm grail]

Ok

[lone junco]

overall might be close, but the priority burst will always be better as sub

and we know this.

[shrewd oriole]

cant be rn since I have cas in about 30 minutes but

later today or tomorrow

community and service*

[calm grail]

Screw CaS

Put it off.

[lone junco]

he got busted for the drugs

[old sphinx]

tonight

i'm still at work lol

[shrewd oriole]

ahaha it's for my curriculum actually noobe

Helping kids with learnign difficulties consolidating class work / doing homework

basically what you do in sin chat all day

but with children instead of autistic nerds

[calm grail]

It's 10:53 in freedom time atm

[lone junco]

note. @ Musclebrah went monk anyway. so all rogues suck

[shrewd oriole]

Kappa

Muscle brah is not the best sub player I'm sorry

[calm grail]

What time is it over in commyville?

[old sphinx]

I mean i would not be surprised if you beat me cuz I guess you run like 25s and shit but I'm willing to try 😄

[shrewd oriole]

Ashine / miracle are as good if not better

pick a level of key cyber

[lone junco]

i cba to have 25 itemracks.

[calm grail]

Cyber that's not the speech of a true believer

[shrewd oriole]

I hardly do 25's on my rogue nowadays tbh

[old sphinx]

That's the reason Im agreeing to this

[calm grail]

I don't think there's really much reason to, the time put in versus the return isn't that good.

[old sphinx]

the will save me

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

you could say the same for M raiding

high keys are done for fun

[calm grail]

20 is the sweet spot.

[shrewd oriole]

I just prefer to play ranged on high keys

[old sphinx]

I have a 21 upper

[shrewd oriole]

you'll win on that tho

[calm grail]

I meant for farming bot prestige

[shrewd oriole]

ahaha

[lone junco]

upper is good call. less trash for him to dumpster you on

[calm grail]

Not*

[old sphinx]

😏

[devout hollow]

sneaky...

[shrewd oriole]

I'll straight up lose on upper probably, comes down to PB's on wyrms

[old sphinx]

also it's a tyrannical

[calm grail]

Tom don't you need an EoC though?

You should definitely do the upper

[lone junco]

Tyr uppper :0

nice pick

[zealous dew]

no no

i'll pick

[shrewd oriole]

dunno dont think tyr upper is a good pick

[zealous dew]

hov 22+ pls

[old sphinx]

I'm the clear underdog here I can only win anyways :^D

[shrewd oriole]

I can tell you straight up you'll win

so not much of a competition going on

[calm grail]

What's a good balance...

[lone junco]

moonkin

[calm grail]

Maybe HoV?

[grim jay]

from when was that discussion about wcl being a bully tool ? @shrewd night lol

[shrewd night]

breh

Lemme link it

[calm grail]

VoTW

[shrewd oriole]

nah vault is like upper

well

[old sphinx]

what you wanna run ?

[calm grail]

Yeah, but there are a couple of big packs

[shrewd oriole]

better for sub

tbh yeah we could do vault if u want

[zealous dew]

HOV

[lone junco]

hov

[shrewd oriole]

got a 22 or 23 vault cant recall

[calm grail]

If you get sick, it would be about the same as you getting good stuff too

[shrewd night]

@grim jay https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20760827790

[zealous dew]

show us some pro feinting

[shrewd oriole]

HoV is decently balanced as well

[zealous dew]

no DK tank

DH tank, resto druid

[old sphinx]

Ughh 2nd boss is gonna succc but sure we can do vault if you want

[zealous dew]

no aoe silence

[calm grail]

I think Halls offers enough to Target so you benefit from sure can combo, but he can also multi DoT well too.

Shuriken combo*

[old sphinx]

Hov is fine aswell

[shrewd oriole]

up to you

I have a vault key tho

[shrewd oriole]

so that'll be easier to find than hov

[lone junco]

get good parses and you won't have problems.

[shrewd oriole]

I feel like both are fairly balanced

[calm grail]

I think the fair is dungeon are ones with consistent 2 to 4 trash packs.

[old sphinx]

aight let's decide tonite

gotta get home now first tho

[zealous dew]

noooooooooooooo, wait

BRH this week

let's go

[grim jay]

@shrewd night well he is right in that there are people weighing parses far too heavy. even in here are some mongro parse hunters that think nothing else matters. but like said it is no bad tool. problems exist due to the people infront of the monitor

[zealous dew]

22+

[shrewd oriole]

BrH is an easy sub key

[old sphinx]

more discussion later

[shrewd oriole]

I mean both specs suck

[zealous dew]

go for it

[shrewd oriole]

but sub will win out assa

[old sphinx]

gotta catch the train

[lone junco]

Posted by Koredran I have aotc, pull 1mill+ dps and perform mechanics perfectly

😦

they give aotc to anyone with a gold

[keen inlet]

114 upvotes

[grim jay]

I dont boost people for a gold

[keen inlet]

good lord

I had to reply

[shrewd night]

@grim jay Bruh, if you apply and someone cant read logs right, you're dodging bullets left right and center.

[keen inlet]

couldn't resist

WCL is a phenomenal tool that I use every day to help new players that want to be better by coaching them through the errors they make (timelines function is phenomenal).

That some, or even many, use it to "bully" is *COMPLETELY* irrelevant. That's not the purpose of the tool and they're using it wrong.

Do *not* throw the baby out with the bathwater.```

[shrewd oriole]

dude

fuck babies yo

they scream too much

[shrewd night]

I dont want no babies

[shrewd oriole]

I dont want no scrubs

[shrewd night]

Totally throwing that shit out with the water

[lone junco]

@keen inlet your priest mog is nice

[keen inlet]

ty I can't wait to make her velf

[shrewd oriole]

stalker noobe

[keen inlet]

haha

but the bughelm is so meme

I love it

[grim jay]

there really are only few good cloth mogs

tbh

[lone junco]

red pointy hat

#1

[shrewd oriole]

cloth as more variety than leather

I feel like leather gets shafted the most

plate has by far the best mogs

[grim jay]

ye but more variety doesnt make it look better

its just more shit

tbh

[shrewd oriole]

yeah sure

tell that

to

locks

[shrewd oriole]

LOL

[calm grail]

My group sells for gold.

[keen inlet]

spriest btw

[shrewd oriole]

lock tier sets are fucking beauty after beauty

[grim jay]

locks do have like 1-2 good mogs

[shrewd oriole]

whaa

[calm grail]

It's easy to have someone with a lockout make you some easy d

$$$*

[grim jay]

ye I legit had issues deciding what to mogg on my lock

[zealous dew]

wtf is that stuff

[shrewd oriole]

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Warlock_sets

you're crazy

lock has so many good tiers

felheart is great, plagueheart is amazing,

lemme actually log my lock

[calm grail]

Best tier was the creepy wooden looking mask one

Which was that?

T8?

[shrewd oriole]

the guldan wanna be one is great too

idk I love plate but I think log has some of the best tier

of all time

their cm set hello?

[calm grail]

I hate my cm set.

[shrewd oriole]

https://www.google.pt/search?q=warlock+CM+set&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzk_OZ6KrZAhVFXRQKHcmyCt8Q_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=974#imgrc=99fVqgJeZkpHaM:

[calm grail]

It feels out of place anywhere but Pandaria

[shrewd oriole]

their CM set is so mental

[grim jay]

PvE t5 was fine.
t8 has that ugly af neckplate.

everything else is ugly af

[calm grail]

I feel like everybody got a cool general looking set, but ours is way too thematic

[grim jay]

regarding tsets

[shrewd oriole]

the hfc one is great

[grim jay]

the cm set is ugly aswell

tbh

[shrewd oriole]

the tos one as well

aaaaaaah

[lone junco]

coffee > dps > movies > healing > sleep > mog >dishes.

lol mog.

[shrewd oriole]

the ulduar set is great as well

super iconic

[grim jay]

it is

besides that

[shrewd oriole]

ICC one is meh

[grim jay]

ugly

fucking

[shrewd oriole]

I like it

[grim jay]

neckplate

like wtf is that

[shrewd oriole]

I think you just dislike the warlock aesthethic

lol

[grim jay]

who is carrying a plate of iron on his neck

[shrewd oriole]

wanna talk about an ugly lock set, firelands

and dragonsoul obv

[grim jay]

t10 looks like kkk

aside from it not being white

im more into sets like t5

[shrewd oriole]

I feel

I dislike the t5 helm

I'm more into the bolder fel aesthetics

orjust bolder in general

the wings from the tos set

[heavy plover]

Damn this raider.io addon is cancer, just returned after a break finally geared my character and can't get into keys cause i need minimum 3k score for a 15+ lul

[prime void]

calling bs on that

[heavy plover]

what part of that sentance was bs

[lone junco]

I got turned down for a +2. 👌

[prime void]

all of it ?

[heavy plover]

okay bro, that totally makes sense

[prime void]

np bro

[shrewd oriole]

you dont need 3k score for a 15

[prime void]

anytime

[shrewd oriole]

lol

[shrewd night]

I got 800 score and I fly into 15s 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

hardly ever see people that dumb

[heavy plover]

I know, people set high requirements for no reason

[lone junco]

my best 15 upper was well over time. haunts me.

[heavy plover]

I'll screenshot it for you hang on

[prime void]

yes people set requirements

however, to make the gross assumption that all groups are 3k+ is mongo

and a bit dramatic

[lone junco]

wait. ive done uppers since. does the raiderio just pick the first of the season, or is it constantly putting my next best attempt up there?

[prime void]

not necessaril;y best attempt

[lone junco]

seems that way.

[prime void]

its a bit weird of a point system

[heavy plover]

it's not an assumption at this moment in time i got declined from all groups, maybe it'll die down after a while

because of my score

[shrewd oriole]

how do you know

[lone junco]

we had 30min over timer on a 15 tyr.

[shrewd oriole]

its ur score

[heavy plover]

they told me

[shrewd night]

If I have 800 score, how do I get into groups then 🤔

[heavy plover]

LUL

[shrewd oriole]

and not your gear

or the fact that they have 2 melees

[heavy plover]

cause they whispered me and said "low score sry"

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

[prime void]

i mean

[shrewd oriole]

what is your score

[prime void]

is your ilvl shit too

[shrewd night]

Cant you make groups yourself if its that hard to join one 🤔

[lone junco]

then do lower keys and get your score up

[prime void]

fkn tom

taking my phrase

[heavy plover]

my score is like 900, and yeah i know not everyone is like that