pretend there's only one
#assassination
rich wren
manic vigil
That makes sense I guess
rich wren
and that the millions of other rogues sitting at the ONE seat at the table
keen inlet
which is basically the biggest hypocrisy of Legion every time they use "immersion" as an excuse for something else
rich wren
aren't really there
manic vigil
Or does it 
rich wren
it'ss actually kind of funny
manic vigil
Especially since we have a class hall so we get to see them all the time xd
keen inlet
"We'd like to xmog this"
NAH CAN'T DO THAT IMMERSION BRUH
5000000 Ashbringers running around
rich wren
I can go on for hours about the being an adventurer to the LEADER OF AN ENTIRE FACTION OF ROGUES thing
manic vigil
Brilliant 
keen inlet
heh
haughty harness
THE hero of the horde/alliance like every other player
keen inlet
yeah I still want stage 3 of leggo daggers xmoggable
rich wren
me too, but only by the rogue
keen inlet
so dumb that it isn't, when 1 and 2 are
keen inlet
esp given that the whole of cata we used landslide pretty much
dust cloud covered the whole thing
💯
brilliant
rich wren
yes
I would love those things back
also I need alpha
a nice big build with content in it
so I can put some neckpower in my neck
only to do it again on live
keen inlet
I'm curious about the stat changes
manic vigil
So you see, I'm having trouble taking lore and immersion seriously in this game
rich wren
me too
mental aurora
So BfA is taking away our artifacts and adding the appearances to our collection. I can assume they’ll be character or at least class specific, but what about specs? Will I be able to mog into fang of the devourer while playing sin?
rich wren
I wanted that so badly
it feels so stupid having haste on gear and it not doing anything
keen inlet
If I had to guess, I'd say no
rich wren
I think they said no
rich wren
I've wanted to see that assassination mastery change too
manic vigil
They commented on that a while back in a qna I think
mental aurora
So with that and haste scaling I guess we’ll be mastery/haste rogues in BfA shrug
keen inlet
why would you want to xmog to the sub daggers though 🤔
personally was really disappointed in them
rich wren
the only sub dagger I like is the white xylem one
empty tide
Shadow priest DAGGER FOR TMOG 
mental aurora
I like the Balance of power +15 tint
rich wren
is that the red one
mental aurora
Yea
rich wren
yeah I like that one actually
empty tide
hope they dont make Artifact appearance class exclusive
mental aurora
The others just don’t feel very subtlety-y
manic vigil
mental aurora
Bright orange? Gold+blue? No thx. Give me blood red
rich wren
i just want to not take fall damage
mental aurora
The hidden one is pretty subtle
manic vigil
I was thonking about class specific
rich wren
leave the dodge where it is but make me a cat with the fall damage
manic vigil
You pbombers 
mental aurora
Yeah I’m gonna miss switching to sub and dropping from the flight ceiling down to my world quests
manic vigil
Yeah no fall dmg... Need
empty tide
farming outlaw hidden appearance as sub one year ago
with just 5 traits on weap for the falling damage
manic vigil
I died so many times while questing when I switched to sin 
mental aurora
I don’t like how outlaw got the thunderfury appearance. Give that to fury warriors or something, not gambling pirates.
crystal fox
how dare you
manic vigil
Outlaw 
haughty harness
They lost it on a bet!
manic vigil
Is a bad joke altogether
haughty harness
Fair'n square
mental aurora
I don’t like outlaw. Too much arrrr n g
empty tide
jezz
manic vigil
crystal fox
are the artifact skins still specc specific in bfa?
mental aurora
We don’t know
empty tide
hope not
manic vigil
We already talked about that, friend
manic vigil
What
crystal fox
i need an adult
mental aurora
I just want xal’atath to still talk when i mog to her. Plz blizz. Don’t take knaifu away from me
crystal fox
i want a knaifu that has tourettes
manic vigil
:LUL:
rich wren
do you guys think the neck will talk to us
empty tide
demonology knives tho
rich wren
"give me some neck power and ill make your pants really strong, empowered some might say"
empty tide
give me
mental aurora
Nah Magni already talks to azeroth. We’d be her side hoe
rich wren
i think I'm going to exsang next week
crystal fox
poison stronker 😏
rich wren
I need a change of pace
empty tide
play sub
haughty harness
Outlul key-spam?
mental aurora
Sub just has too much going on for my taste. I prefer the relative simplicity of assass.
rich wren
on coven and aggramar
it does 0 damage for more work
I think there's just something wrong with me for thinking poison build is more fun
than the other specs
mental aurora
Poison build is fun. I like DoT based classes
rich wren
maybe i'm just a bleed guy next week
crystal fox
it's just a phase prada
rich wren
maybe you're right
haughty harness
Outlaw = SS+RT spam, Sub "Error 404, sense not found" , Assa = simple yet elegant, that's my experience
rich wren
its like a nice scotch or something
empty tide
so elegant, much lul
crystal fox
i rarely laugh at stuff from the tradechat ingame but i just almost fell out of my chair, https://i.gyazo.com/c8b6019946efcb01dbca13ff87e2178e.png
rich wren
vs mfd and CT iirc
empty tide
no venon rush?
keen inlet
@crystal fox did they have a stroke?
fiery nest
Diff tier
Nvm it's just vigor now iirc
I been playing surv too much on there, it's really fun
keen inlet
what's survival like on bfa
fiery nest
Fun
keen inlet
have they even taken a big pass at it?
fiery nest
Ya
keen inlet
hmm
empty tide
you can burst range or melee
fiery nest
Still missing talents too
empty tide
the sustained damage is melee from what i've seen
keen inlet
okay
Huh.
That could make survival the go-to tbh
if it can do sustained competitive, but then have ranged burst
¯_(ツ)_/¯
empty tide
that melee-ranged shit will make survival unique
keen inlet
sounds godmode for adds
empty tide
it will be fun af
fiery nest
You want to be in melee most of the time but it's still viable at ranged for shortish bursts
It's what I wanted in outlaw
keen inlet
You don't like gambling? 😉
fiery nest
Ick
cant aim 10 yard away help me
keen inlet
rhetorical, obviously everybody loves rng-centered spec
hey
maybe if they get survival right
they'll do it for outlaw too
make everybody happy--melee speedy rogues + ranged rogues
an admiral can dream.
fiery nest
Ya
keen inlet
should have some form of scaling
ks needs work too obv
and final talent tier is cancer
annnnd alacrity is cancer
let's face it
outlaw has issues
fiery nest
Alacrity only stacks to 5 in bfa nice fix btw
keen inlet
why does it exist still
outlaw should just have the haste in template
ugggggggggggh
empty tide
grapling hook baseline will be fun too
keen inlet
that's a good change.
I'm okay with that tier.
wish hit and run were a little more tasty
feel like gh/acro are the go-to's
if H&R had passive leech would make it desirable for world content at least
or something, idk
fiery nest
H&R every 4th autoattack heals for % and gives short burst of movement speed
fiery nest
Lol
fiery nest
I like how burst of speed was too op in bgs and then they turned around and gave dhs ability to fly 100 feet in the air and dash across the entire map
SeemsGood
empty tide
really like what they did a legion, every spec got their own identity, sub was my favorite
keen inlet
dh: yeah but we use glaives and have green spell things
like is there a leather melee that isn't "mobility" themed
fiery nest
Just added a melee hero class, let's remake survival in to a melee class as well, and keep melee mechanics more punishing than ranged SeemsGood
keen inlet
yeah I'm still salty
keen inlet
anybody tried demonology on alpha yet?
empty tide
friend of mine tried, said its easier since most of demons are now passive
fiery nest
Bite is good now and with aspect of the eagle up it has 40 yard range
keen inlet
Huh. cool.
light wing
3440x1440 @keen inlet 😩
light wing
i'll send some when I get home , beats snapchat lmao
keen inlet
yea
fiery nest
Wildfire bomb, serpent sting that splits like splitting ice, throw chakrams
It's good shit
keen inlet
does surv get explosive shot again?
or traps?
or is that wildfire bomb
watch mm and bm suck all bfa
surv be king
fiery nest
Traps are utility, u get wildfire bomb which is kinda like explosive shot
keen inlet
"we're sorry for legion"
hoary copper
Afflic bottom and survival top, seems right
dire spoke
945 singed fang
exotic glen
1 more week until pantheon trinket is 1000 PogChamp
hoary copper
I'm still stuck with 915 singed fang -.- sims decently, better than the 945 vitality resonator that dropped
lean hill
You still don't have GO?
keen inlet
nopers
lean hill
Ouch
exotic glen
did you do argus this reset yet
keen inlet
not yet no
exotic glen
i believe in u, dont worry
keen inlet
fun to get dunked on by people who have it
hoary copper
I'd just link mine to you. It's only like 950 but still
rich wren
you can have mine it doesn't proc ever anyway
keen inlet
"After two hours, this lease will expire and this socket will be empty"
hoary copper
No worse than buying runs I spose
solid field
HC cost 1 mil on my server.. F dat
hoary copper
I've seen ours mostly for 150K which I guess is ok, but I don't have it, and doesn't seem worth it. Though it'd be nice to have aotc to do it for reals
quick talon
quick talon
these valentine cards are guaranteed success
keen inlet
hahaha
quick talon
proven fact
keen inlet
that was good
hoary copper
The actor that plays Neville went from dumpy to hot, just saying
strange python
yes he did
quick talon
hoary copper
bwhaha
quick talon
my favorite is
hoary copper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKKYr8yVmnE Wasnt someone just asking for Demo on alpha? @keen inlet
keen inlet
hah
keen inlet
wher are you getting these
quick talon
hoary copper
Demo seems like the sub of lock with burst windows in alpha
quick talon
Imagine doing those cards
with ion/lore faces
with some really bad jokes
"This Q&A won't be the only disappointment today"
keen inlet
🥄
jovial kite
hoary copper
Demo has a lot of demons, jeeze
lapis knoll
Hi guys i just dropped 980 Forgefiend Fabricator is it good for aoe/m+? (currently using patheon trin and 945 shadow singed fang)
keen inlet
@hoary copper how many? I guess I could look at wowhead
calm grail
Over 10
hoary copper
Wild imps EVERYWHERE! the video I posted he has like 12 imps plus a commaner plus another
keen inlet
@lapis knoll I doubt it'll be better than your trinkets, although panth probably loses value unless your M+ mates have it.
initial testing indicated that the bombs did more dmg if you let them expire rather than setting them off, which doesn't lend itself well to M+ speed.
That said I'd sim because 980 is yuge
neat
just watched. That seems absurd and potentially OP in pvp
unless imps are one-shot
hoary copper
Doesnt really say how much health they have, but still felguard and commander.
lapis knoll
Thx for help 👍
hoary copper
Or sacrificing them all for soulfire
hoary copper
yea he doesnt ahve to do much, its basically spam shadow bolt
shadowfury being base for lock is pretty good too
hoary copper
No more to hunt, byeeeeeee
glad tartan
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nimble tartan
u hate 2 see it
honest thorn
@keen inlet pantheon doesnt cant be empowered outside of raid group i thought?
honest thorn
ok just making sure
keen inlet
I mean the trinket itself is still good tho
zealous dew
honest thorn
the tornado procs yes
but not the thunderous auto attack splash
which would be amazing in m+
exotic glen
why the fuck is WCL down
honest thorn
ok its not just me lol
exotic glen
if that parse doesnt get uploaded, i will eat a cactus
strange python
check their twitter. apparently some amazon thing that is out of their control.
will be down for a while.
exotic glen
it was more of a rhetorical question to express my anger, my dude
hoary copper
Cactus is actually tastey
exotic glen
not their spikes i'd guess
hoary copper
Just the meaty part, I had some when I was in grade school. quite fruity
hollow trail
i had pb jesus on my side last night for varimathras, i had 43m from pb and the next rogue was only at 21m
exotic glen
gonna kms
just had the most ridiculous RNG on M imonar
and we fuck up on the 2nd last bridge, kill half the raid and the bridge takes forever
hoary copper
I had 47 on hc hounds last night, was pretty decent
Is it bad when I have low procs or I hit a wrong button that I hope we wipe so I can try again?
prime void
On heroic nawww
spare cloud
No Pantheon again, nice.
jovial kite
shh padlord
literal st
gm gave me 965 tier head even though it was 5 ilvl upgrade to him, was 10 for me
viscid helm
thats like 70k more than i sim
keen inlet
feelsgoodenoughman
sharp viper
just got this beauty traded to me ❤
exotic glen
wow
urban storm
ashen fiber
Hey, this is probably a dumb question, and I've checked the pins and the guide to no avail, but what's the opener for poison build, without shoulders, and using nightstalker?
wise frigate
Just use the shoulder opener I believe.
hoary copper
It's the 1st or 2nd column
lone junco
@jovial kite did you exang into the bigs?
jovial kite
yeah
lone junco
timing is good there.
jovial kite
exsang pull, exsang once, intermission, dot first add to die, switch with step vendetta exsang on second
i still dont get full value though
lose like 5 sec vendetta and 5 sec exsang
lone junco
i cloak through the aoe and vendetta exang boss. it roll into immunity tho
then back up for 2nd big
jovial kite
aggra is pretty resident sleeper though, i cloak the aoe too or the 1st rend if i need to replace ranged in 2nd soak
and you really need just 1 feint each intermission to survive
and we've wiped so many times in that boss its just automatic feint after 5 sec the adds spawn
its so 
topped our varimathras @lone junco
as exsang
warm parcel
https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistSoftOcelotChocolateRain
@midnight latch
prime void
Naya top meme :(
midnight latch
😦
jovial kite
midnight latch
no bully
jovial kite
thx don
jovial kite
brb setting clickbot
viscid helm
so i get a badge
jovial kite
was it the vanish cheapshot?
prime void
Lol😂
It was the killing harbaron without doing anything bug
He just flew through the floor and poof
hallow tiger
Hey! Im trying to start playing sin. What s the pros and cons of poison and bleed builds?
jovial kite
poison is good in st and aoe, exsang tends to be as strong in st but superior in 2-3 target cleave but loses aoe
hallow tiger
which one do you recommend?
jovial kite
poison
exotic glen
whatever your gear leans closer to
jovial kite
if you are starting
exotic glen
poison is easier to gear for
jovial kite
because exsang needs specific relics and gear and stat prio to go for
exotic glen
yeah that
hallow tiger
im currently playing sub, got 938 ilvl and the shoudlers as leg
jovial kite
yeah id go poison
poison is mastery > crit whereas bleed is crit > versa > mastery
and mantle isnt used in bled
hallow tiger
how is the dps compared to sub?
shrewd oriole
Miracle cant compete in MDI
: (
"ModeratorVerifiedMoobot: Due to Kuwait laws saying winning money from e-sports events such as the MDI is equal to gambling, of which is also illigal in Kuwait, Miracle can't be in the team. PepeHands for our boy Miraclestep, who's gonna miss kicks now? FeelsBadMan"
fuck : /
apparently kuznam is gonna play monk for them
rip
shrewd oriole
how
dire spoke
sec
exotic glen
how is MDI equal to gambling in any way
dire spoke
👺
exotic glen
its a competition like olympics (?)
shrewd oriole
@exotic glen arab governments btw
sinful chasm
i think just that it uses a random number generator
dire spoke
my 960 iron had MAss > Rshell > MAlch
I put in a 945 MAlch > chaoticD > MAss
exotic glen
you mean like crits and such?
sinful chasm
crits, dodges, misses, parries etc
exotic glen
thats absolute bullshit man
sinful chasm
i dont agree with it, im just trying to see how they could see it
dire spoke
I did relic compare dude
shrewd oriole
he's the best m+ rogue
idk then crazy
guess we gotta settle for ashine 
ashine is actually in a friend of mine's group so I was gonna be forced to cheer him anyway : (
dire spoke
well 
me
sinful chasm
how did they compare it to gambling
dire spoke
jovial kite
how does arab governments not let women drive
or walk without their guardians permission on the streets
exotic glen
when does MDI qualification week start btw
jovial kite
how is participating in an esport tournament gambling
warm parcel
!sephuz
light wing
You get used to it
keen inlet
I wonder what resolution wow art team works on
light wing
i was checking it out on my work laptop w/ 4k display and it looked pretty good
Very clean & smooth, but not world changing
dire spoke
lone junco
guess that will have to do.
shrewd oriole
@quick talon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIi6Pytde8
dire spoke
tom's 🤔
lone junco
stilll dont care
shrewd oriole
hey man
light wing
but not terrible
lone junco
gimmeh
light wing
got this alert earlier but was oos
light wing
keen inlet
1060's a decent upgrade tho :/
light wing
nah 1050ti is fine
keen inlet
1060 6gb pref'd
light wing
she plays wow on high and gets ~60 solid so
keen inlet
are the vegas still mad pricey
light wing
ye
light wing
I spent 1080 ti fund on monitor
keen inlet
f'n crypto turds
lone junco
pass
lone junco
I already bought the card.
light wing
s for ~450 lately
lone junco
Im done.
this one fries. Im throwing my pc off a bridge
and learning to play dominoes
jovial kite
mobo or falsely inserted
light wing
time for ups
dire spoke
AHAHAHAHAH
jovial kite
poison 
dire spoke
👺
lone junco
im so fucking grumped over this shit man.
i wasnt even mad last night tho. was like "Uld. meh"
worst instance ever
safe matrix
dire spoke
I don't have 40% base crit
lone junco
i can sqweak out 963
dire spoke
duh
strange python
I tell her only partly
lone junco
43
strange python
I only love my bed and my mama I’m sorry 😔
strange python
Did you sim it?
dire spoke
go hug a tree
dire spoke
also I don't have t20 u
strange python
Who got that warforged item again
lone junco
strange python
Wait
strange python
I have it saved
jovial kite
oh you mean my t20 960?
strange python
lone junco
👏
jovial kite
oh thats not me
dire spoke
@strange python fight me bitch
strange python
Is it yours?
dire spoke
yeah
dire spoke
I'm doomed to play mantle
lone junco
#no
strange python
LET ME PRESS IT
shrewd oriole
it's 2017 cmon guys stop pretending pitbull isnt lit
midnight latch
🥄
warm parcel
old skool
jovial kite
lone junco
no
shrewd oriole
Same, it's pretty cool
jovial kite
dats the shit right here
shrewd oriole
wait
shrewd night
15% Pb btw
strange python
@gaunt moat do your job
shrewd oriole
time to upload my argus log
shrewd oriole
think our monk got r1
so much easier to log ona rgus if you're boosting
half an hour of memexcute
shrewd oriole
my favorite limp bizkit original song
lone junco
first album was real.
Three Dollar Bill, Yall (1997–98)
rest is poppy junk
@jovial kite wcl wont let me zoom on this peak, but its pretty good.
shrewd oriole
it's still really slow
jovial kite
@gaunt moat oh shit i didnt even think about it.. but hes an actual yet a memey rapper
sowwy :3
shrewd oriole
AHAHA
strange python
🤬you dont skip 🤬
shrewd night
deft willow
i have some logs that id like to ask if there was anything i could do better do i link them here
jovial kite
first you need someone to analyze them
i could do it but im about to hit the sheets :l
but if you're not in a hurry and still want to get answered you can pm me i and i can check through them tomorrow
unless someone offers to do it now
deft willow
okay Cool ill send them youre way
lone junco
wcl is laggy now. I wouldnt bother until later/tomorrow tbh.
urban blaze
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candid yew
warm parcel
O radios back
shrewd oriole
Went do a phone call so I had to pause it ahah
exotic glen
rip
upper wren
everyweek I do my xmog/mount runs it makes me remember how much I miss burst of speed
jovial kite
torn coyote
someone linked warcraftlogs XD
jovial kite
beat the computer sim apl at ep
jovial kite
it was 25m i think
silent breach
where can i find trinket sims?
shrewd oriole
herodamage
crystal fox
!trinkets
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crystal fox
tough one
dapper moat
Hello guys. Just asking if I am reading this correctly with mantle and bracers on a single fight, item level 930 shadow-singed fang trinket is better choise than a item level 955 Seeping Scourgewing?
lean hill
Sim it
crystal fox
dapper moat
ah ok. any easy to use simulators out there? 😃
dapper moat
ty m8
gaunt moat
yeah, not a single 100%
gaunt moat
get this picture out of my face, come back when you get some 100%
shrewd oriole
: (
dapper moat
is that from some addon?
shrewd oriole
Notter stop being elitist
gaunt moat
https://www.tenor.co/q8QE.gif in your general direction
shrewd oriole
some of us are just not as good as you
dapper moat
i try to be as best i can with limited gaming hours 😄
shrewd oriole
I'll have you know I had a r1 on progress btw notter >: (
gaunt moat
where did it go
gaunt moat
if you get a rank 1, and it's not overidden in the same day (week?) it sticks forever
lone junco
tom. are you ready for the best meme
shrewd oriole
sure
calm grail
20 IQ memes.
shrewd oriole
those logs are v good for your gear
shrewd oriole
oh
calm grail
I usually hide behind a pillar or a tree and sip on my Crimson vial for Eonar.
lone junco
ye.
shrewd oriole
damn
lone junco
my super favorite are when people post full 99s. and their ilvl is fucking green and grey
shrewd oriole
I need a better garothi log
lone junco
you do fine.
calm grail
I got a pretty juicy one last night
shrewd oriole
didnt know I had two r1's on ilvl
calm grail
Logs are down though.
shrewd oriole
dont think I ever check ilvl
lone junco
not necessarily r1. but at least top 30
shrewd notch
is there a convenient way to tell where you rank against others without having to go to the actual boss page
as in "top 20" or whatever
shrewd oriole
kek
lone junco
your ilvl skyrocketed in jan
lone junco
argus trinket got 6 clicks at once
a better garothi for you looks like this.
(lol)
shrewd notch
i had 100 on normal eonar :B main page shows 99 tho, not sure how that works
shrewd oriole
fucking hell
gilded lark
lone junco
thats what you are up against
lone junco
both play perfect well enough. that guy gets 2.6mdps
calm grail
Noobe look at my Garothi from last night. Pbomb ended up at #3 too for me.
shrewd oriole
he got KB once less than me as well
calm grail
Look at that and Spike, you can tell exactly where that final Vendetta and vanish was lol
End spike*
lone junco
shrewd oriole
disgusting
lone junco
thats not much overall. but man they landed nicely
calm grail
Felt like a good damn pull.
lone junco
26m worth of Pb in that tail
calm grail
Really it's all about concordance lining up with my shadow singed Fang lining up with my racial o.o
calm grail
I have about 18% versatility
190 mastery
I think the versatility being high makes up for the Mastery being slightly lower
calm grail
Yeah.
shrewd oriole
but yeah going higher than 99 is hard
you need some
insane pulls
with poison bombs on pull and execute
and a long execute phase
lone junco
its perfect on the 2:30-3m pull
calm grail
Crits pretty low. Can't do much about it other than hopefully get a sick tier helm and offset gloves
lone junco
Ive seen 25%
calm grail
Sims around 2.20 atm
I just love that with the bracers, if you have less than 2 minutes left, you line up that vanish and Vendetta for a sick opener #2
What I will generally do is, if there is like 2 minutes and 20 seconds left I'll use vanish, and then I will hold the last Vendetta for like the last 20 seconds when Vanish comes up again
covert furnace
So I've got Ravenholdt+Crown right now. Mantle dropped the other day but it sims WAY lower than any combo I put with those two. What's up wtih that?
covert furnace
worse than mantle and ring
calm grail
If it ruins your set bonus, that would make sense.
covert furnace
and no they don't
covert furnace
sec
lone junco
@calm grail your alignment of that kb and tb aroudn the tail vanish could have been a little stronger. i think.
that kb was like 14 sec before vanish. and that tb after.
would have been killer with them stacked.
calm grail
Probably, but I figured it was a bigger damage loss to hold it.
Did I get another cast off after that?
lone junco
humble crane
Man don't use amr to sim. Use raidbots. com
calm grail
That's not a bad point though, I generally don't consider the time to kill a when using toxic blade, but I should consider it when using kingsbane if the fight is almost done anyhow.
Good point my dude.
lone junco
The Vendetta TB KB vanish Env mut env mut env
calm grail
I'm just thinking for that final vanish, would you run it like the opener where you KB and TB into an Envenom and then just cycle out what you can.
lone junco
yeah that final vanish should be all the things imo
calm grail
Do you set up the Kingsbane before or after the vanish
lone junco
I set up bota before exang 😃
covert furnace
Shouldn't we just be using TB for the last 10 secs of KB instead of opening with it?
calm grail
I'm thinking before, so the final ticks will be in the crit window maybe
No Jay, I generally use it on cool down.
covert furnace
I mean, KB ramps so wouldn't you get more benefit from the last 10 secs of it?
lone junco
vend TB KB its with hands.
i dont care how you stagger it.
just make sure you use your brains on that last shoulder.
it is how you hit the golds.
rough halo
OKay. gang, can anyone dissect what I'm doing wrong? - I feel i'm playing it right 90% of the time, but my parses are shit.
lone junco
since you get 2 vanishes.
plain thistle
nop, TB on cd is better
calm grail
How big of a difference are we talking in that final window do you think me casting that KB early cost me?
Probably a negligible amount?
plain thistle
TB cd is lower than KB, you will lose a couple casts during a fight if you align with the last 9s of KB @covert furnace
lone junco
@calm grail
calm grail
Wut
plucky merlin
The most relevant buff to keep up/hold is using vanish during vend plus TB buff
lone junco
if you had delayed, it would push that kb and tb off the board.
calm grail
Holy shit, did it really tick for 10 mil?
plain thistle
@rough halo first thing is to have 99-100% garrote uptime, not just 50%~
lone junco
nah. thats duration 10m
calm grail
Ahh
lone junco
high tick was 2.3
rough halo
@plain thistle how can you see the uptime?
calm grail
I think what you are saying has merit, but doing the mental math without losing damage at that point in the fight, it's kind of hard to juggle
plain thistle
calm grail
I figure it's better to cast it at eight less optimal time potentially, then lose it entirely
rough halo
aahhh
lone junco
the last TB was def pretty limp.
calm grail
I wonder what the actual cool down of kingsbane is with normal play.
plucky merlin
#casts almost always wins over how you use for sin
lone junco
if you held vanish for 10 sec for that tb. would have missed clipping the KB.
calm grail
On a patchwork fight
plucky merlin
40s~
calm grail
I meant when you also account for the gold trait interaction Lost.
plucky merlin
Yeah, it's about 40s with it
lone junco
so it is Vend Tb Kb
env mut env mut env
0ma + boots.
the alignment couldnt be better
crystal fox
you really love that graph dont you
calm grail
What if vendetta and those other two do not synchronize?
plain thistle
he loves to overthink stuffs, just leave him 😂
calm grail
You're not going to hold them for Vendetta
lone junco
onyx rock
This is rly overthinking
calm grail
Noobe you just gotta feel it out man.
lone junco
my pc is ded remember
onyx rock
I guess lol
calm grail
Can't plan for everything.
crystal fox
feelycraft > overthinking
plucky merlin
Actually tho losing one cast trying to optimize how they're used will be a much larger loss
crystal fox
yeah exactly, like my rotation is kick>cheapshot>garrote>kidneyshot>mut>rupture
plucky merlin
Only worth considering for priority targets or time to die
calm grail
I think what he saying is true, but it's kind of at an extreme or like if you freeze up thinking.
plucky merlin
Outside of vanish holding any Cd's minus the last use almost always wrong
lone junco
"wrong"
plucky merlin
If you're linking the 23%pb log I don't have an argument
lone junco
13
onyx rock
I usually use things on cd, spam 2 buttons, make a ton of dps within a 99% log, get loot, go home...
♿
calm grail
Let me propose a situation to you though Noobe, vanish and vendetta are pretty close to both being off CD but TB and KB are up.
plucky merlin
Link me the log in pm pls I can check it out in half and hour
calm grail
Are you saying for that final vanish I should hold them?
plucky merlin
Gtg tho
calm grail
Also, same for vendetta. TB and KB are up and Vendetta isn't quite ready yet. What would you do?
I'm talking 5 to 10 on Vendetta
lone junco
vendetta can go early cause it is a long duration.
calm grail
I'm saying you're waiting on Vendetta
lone junco
shoulder on kb tail is good tb on kb hit is good.
if it is your last vanish, there is no way i would tb 5 sec before the vanish.
Vendetta Tb vanish 3env.
Kb can fire off early
if you play bracer boots none of this means anything.
but to think that ONCD is best with shoulders, is crazy talk.
calm grail
So what you're saying is, if you can buff them buff them, but don't wait too long for it.
lone junco
Im saying if your shoulder vanish doesnt peak to 5m without pb. you wasted it.
calm grail
I think mine exceeded that.
lone junco
prob
lone junco
I see tons of logs where people mash shit on cd, and come up with a vanish, that looks like it wasnt there.
calm grail
I think the biggest part of that is making sure you use Vendetta with it.
I think they're people who will use vanish without Vendetta
There are*
Or not pool either.
lone junco
this is - bomb
looks good. a 10 sec delay would have pumped the 3env after the vanish, but then you lose 1 unbuffed tb at the end
last tb was 1.6m
so buff on 30% on crit env (3.27M each) is a 3m gain.
- the tb on the Kb at the vanish.
calm grail
I've been trying to figure out if it's worth trying to squeak a toxic blade into the window or an Envenom.
At the ass end
lone junco
of the shoulder?
lone junco
your TTD at vanish was 30sec.
with the next TB like 6 sec away by delaying it, you would have gimped the last tb. but buffed the vanish.
spark geyser
I respect you noobe. You know your shit
lone junco
Nothing else was going to be ready for that tail tb.
stand alone, it is a limp buff.
@spark geyser all opinion. 😉
but if you see everything aligning close for the vendetta vanish. just fucking rip it.
you would have still gotten that last tb.
kb front to front is like 45 sec.
calm grail
So pretty much, if you are about to have a vanish up and toxic blade is up, hold a couple extra seconds.
But normally TBONCD
lone junco
in bracer
lone junco
non crit 1.6
calm grail
Versus how much damage it would buff
calm grail
680
lone junco
a tb for that vanish would have added 3m env + the kb tick.
calm grail
DX12 supposedly gonna be real suck for WoW if they do it right?
calm grail
Sick*
lone junco
used a wow graphics card score. and found the best for cheapest
keen inlet
Radeon 280 (290?} R9 or something
lone junco
keen inlet
And i run at 50+ fps