assassination

[vocal roost]

if that weapon change means everyone works as a caster and titanforged weapon = titanforged any other piece im ok

[jovial kite]

5% is pretty much

[pure forum]

pointless

[vocal roost]

but still 5% for free is decent enough to consider

[pure forum]

if 5% on one rogue in your raid is the difference between your team downing a boss or not, you're a shit guild.

[jovial kite]

5% now is more than 100k

[vocal roost]

if 5% on every other guy is needed via random to down a boss

[solar fog]

@slate tulip try an addon called ellipsis

[vocal roost]

that's a bad mechanic

also if Im not blessed by forge gods and other guy is

[shrewd oriole]

How is 5% pointless

LOL

[vocal roost]

he's in im out

[shrewd oriole]

Are you dense or something

5% is huge xd

[haughty harness]

Well, 5% there other 5% over there, those buffs stack ya'know?

[vocal roost]

people roll a race for les than 5%

[pure forum]

it absolutely is not.

[vocal roost]

tbh

[pure forum]

Those people are stupid.

[shrewd oriole]

LOL

5% is like 100k wtf are you on about

[pure forum]

min maxing that hard is so unbelievably unecessary.

I'm not talknig about legion?

Read the conversation before you input

we're talking abotu weapons in bfa

where 5% wi,ll be maybe 2k

[vocal roost]

if you told me

[shrewd oriole]

If you’re doing 20k

[vocal roost]

a whole titanforged set of gear would mean 5% dmg

then maybe

[shrewd oriole]

The 2k is huge AHAH

[vocal roost]

but if a single piece means that much..

[pure forum]

weapons cant titanforge though. we know that.

[vocal roost]

still warforge

[shrewd oriole]

Two or three titanfoges on big pieces rn can easily give you 5% dps cruck

[vocal roost]

yeah I know

pretty retarded tbh

[shrewd oriole]

I changed from a 955 neck to a 960 and I got a 1.8% dos increase

[vocal roost]

thing is its both unfair to the unlucky

and bad for pugs

[shrewd oriole]

Tf is good for casuals

And therefore will stay

[vocal roost]

sadly

[pure forum]

people just arent happy unless they have something to complain about.

[vocal roost]

Im happy to get a titanforged piece

but im not happy about it being part of the game

[shrewd oriole]

^

[vocal roost]

im doing content that drops X gear

[shrewd oriole]

Agreed

[pseudo hamlet]

5% is huge. Can't count how many times we've had 1-5% wipes, how many times I've won/lost arena because I/someone else had ~1-5% hp.

[vocal roost]

not X + possible upgrade

[shrewd oriole]

I’m unhappy that my gear means less

I liked being in town and having people inspecting my gear

[vocal roost]

the moment where you get a bis piece of gear

and it doesnt titanforge

[shrewd oriole]

I loved getting whispers like “wow nice gear”

Now whenever I see someone with a 985 M tier piece in just like lucky nice

There’s less of a sense of accomplishment

Let alone seeing someone with a high ilvl heroic tier lmao

[vocal roost]

😄

at least pve gear doenst matter in pvp at all now

[shrewd oriole]

No one whispers “nice gear” anymore man

[vocal roost]

I got a "die in a fire" whisper over a massive titanforge on a relinquished item

[haughty harness]

I do, but that's because i'm a casual

[vocal roost]

noice

[haughty harness]

or just a "thank you for doing the DPS some other should have done"

[vocal roost]

hah

I usually enjoy when we get a random carry from an overgeared dps on our +15

[shrewd notch]

do leggo wrists buff envenom

[grim jay]

I usually enjoy being overgeared in +15s

[vocal roost]

I kinda feel bad about declining people that can totally clear a +15 just because there's overgeared dps everywhere

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

I don’t

: )

[vocal roost]

I feel bad cause now that im gearing other chars

im getting close to "get a billion titanforges or own a mos key" area

getting to 930 is easy

getting to 950 is hard

[shrewd oriole]

That’s usually where guildies ask for help

[vapid moth]

Why is it that everyone wants a maw key?

[vocal roost]

maw is fast

braindead easy

[vapid moth]

Meh

[vocal roost]

so you can usually +3 it and then deplete the next

[shrewd oriole]

Maw is hard : (

[vapid moth]

That's how I feel a bout upper khara. Cept that gives good loot too

[shrewd oriole]

A high tyrannical maw is very. : (

Maw has a good neck

Angerboda Isn’t bad

[vocal roost]

angerboda is cool yep

also idk why people dislikes cathedral and halls

[supple hearth]

Cath isnt bad at all

[vocal roost]

cath is a cakewalk

[supple hearth]

halls and arcway are just long

and boring

[gilded lark]

Cath is short and easy

[vocal roost]

arcway is aids yep

[shrewd oriole]

Catch is nice

[gilded lark]

Arc is aids on high fort

[shrewd oriole]

cath*

Arcway is great with a lock

[vocal roost]

for me

[gilded lark]

Until a phase breach cast gets through

[vocal roost]

seat is shit

[gilded lark]

And half the grp gets 1 shot

[pure forum]

hypothetical for you

[vocal roost]

2nd boss is aids

[odd sluice]

is it possible to survive the mythic imonar bridge solo soaking with BoP at start?

[shrewd oriole]

Arcway is great with a lock

[pure forum]

I need to reapply rupture, and im at 4 combo points. Toxic blade is on cd, so my only builder up us mutilate, but that generates 2, and im 1 from cap

what do?

[shrewd oriole]

Without a lock it’s very sad face

[gilded lark]

You garrote

[shrewd oriole]

You rupture if garrote is on cd

[pure forum]

even if garrote doesnt need to be refreshed?

[shrewd oriole]

Using finishers on 4cps is fine lol

Didn’t you saw you read the guide

[pure forum]

yup, you're right, the guide has that exact scnario lined out

"If at 4CP and Toxic Blade has 1s remaining, don’t garrote, just envenom."

[gilded lark]

[vocal roost]

well fuck me

I got the wrists yesterday on the rogue

[shrewd oriole]

Fuck

[vocal roost]

now I get them too in the monk

how do I even pick a class now

[shrewd oriole]

I haven’t ever read the guide and I knew it’d be there

So wise

120iq

[gilded lark]

Does monk have chest and helm

[shrewd oriole]

Bracers for ao

Aoe*

Well

Rogue is tankier and does less damage

Monk is a glass cannon

[vocal roost]

monk is fresh 110 as is rogue

[shrewd oriole]

I see your t1 stream so lemme put it into league terms

Rogue is an ornn

[gilded lark]

Gas

[shrewd oriole]

It does nice damage and is bat shit broken in terms of tankiness

Monk is a draven with no frontline

[vocal roost]

im pretty much only doing mythics with my friends

so that's an important part of the decision

[gilded lark]

Monk 100%

[shrewd oriole]

At just 15’s monk is better

Rogue only ever becomes competitive when damage taken Ramps up

[vocal roost]

I mean we pug for antorus normal but you can play with your dick there as long as you link achiev

[shrewd oriole]

From a pure dps perspective which is the only thing that matters in 15’s, monk is far superior

Far far superior

Faaaaaaaar

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar

[vocal roost]

yeah that's what I thought

but I like poison boi

:c

[shrewd oriole]

Oh no that’s monk vs sub

Monk vs assa in 15’s is

Not even comparable

Stuff died too quick in 15’s

Dies*

[steep obsidian]

if they actually made vendetta a buff on you instead of a debuff on a mob it would be a million times better for low keys

[shrewd oriole]

Sorry 😦 blame blizzard for liking exponential aoe

[vocal roost]

I mean Im kinda picking a main for bfa too

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah if vendetta was a buff it would be nice

I mean

[vocal roost]

not just the retarded spec right now

[shrewd oriole]

What content are you gonna do in bra

Bfa*

[vocal roost]

monk wins 100% ofc

[gilded lark]

Then play what you enjoy

Filthy casual

With only 2 110s

[vocal roost]

only 2?

HAHAH

[midnight latch]

👀

[gilded lark]

Fine 3

[vocal roost]

more like 14

[gilded lark]

Hey same

[vocal roost]

kms tbh

cant even manage all those garrisons + order halls anymore

[gilded lark]

But you rich af from it

[vocal roost]

yeah.

at least the game is free 😄

[spare narwhal]

Haven’t been to herodamage in ages and today I see that master assassination relics are better than master alch trinkets. When did that happen?

[gilded lark]

It says feb 7th 2018 literally right above the chart

[patent topaz]

my outlul snd only sims 20k less than my bracers boots poison build 🤔

[pure forum]

shadowstep just saved my life.

I was falling like 200 meters to my death, shadow stepped to some imps at the last possible second, and somehow im not dead.

[solar fog]

happens everytime

[strange python]

No problem 😘

[pure forum]

my hands are shaking my heart is racing so fast

sweet baby jesus that was amazing

[strange python]

I have that effect on people yes

@midnight latch

[vocal roost]

lmao

[solar fog]

if speced sub you'd be free falling all day

[vocal roost]

10/10 timing

[grim jay]

shadowstep sucks

[strange python]

Fk u dave

[pure forum]

You shut your mouth. That shit just saved my life.

[grim jay]

:°(

[pure forum]

New best ability confirmed

[strange python]

I ‘member you

[pure forum]

in the mountains?

[strange python]

You bullied me for going sub

[grim jay]

and we had some sweet minutes at the target dummy

testing smth out

[strange python]

Good times

Shadowstep does proc PB ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Cant remember what we did tbh

I was probably moaning about trinkets again

[grim jay]

same

but I remember that we spent time together

thats the most important

[strange python]

😚

[vocal roost]

now kizz

[grim jay]

😚

I love that pug tank

just saved my braincells

he died straight after pull

I got melee'd

now I can chill

[strange python]

Did you tank it tho

[grim jay]

well smh I did

for 2 s

[strange python]

I remember getting 1shot at that boss after Maiden cause my opener > taunt

Oh nvm not after maiden

It was with the 2 realms

[grim jay]

desolate host

[strange python]

Yes

[grim jay]

best time was HFC with sub rogue

[strange python]

They told me not to do so much dmg >.>

[grim jay]

not using ToT -> dead

[strange python]

Or wait

I was Ret back then

[grim jay]

♿

[strange python]

Went from one ♿ to the next tbh

[grim jay]

well cant complain

playing my MM hunter rn

for a normal run

[strange python]

♿ RET COMING THROUGH ♿

Hunter 😖

[vocal roost]

my poor retri

[solar fog]

hfc sub was awesome, with the multistrike

[vocal roost]

is so ♿

cant even get one of the three good legendaries

😢

[strange python]

Monk with multistrike

[grim jay]

well tbh every rangedd is resident sleeper except fire mage and fire mage sucks ST

[strange python]

I was sad when they removed multistrike

[zealous dew]

i'm so ♿ can't even play this faceroll spec anymore

mistakes over mistakes

[vocal roost]

which spec again

[zealous dew]

time to quit i guess

[strange python]

Cant overuse that before notter sees it

Feral

[supple hearth]

🤔

[strange python]

Oh shit

Run boys

[zealous dew]

running

[strange python]

🏃🏻‍♂️

Are we safe?

[zealous dew]

i guess

giggle is busy with alpha

[strange python]

Close call

[pure forum]

my favorite meme site is gone

:<

[strange python]

Hidden

[pure forum]

macromeme has vanished from the internet, and it is a dark day for lulz everywhere.

[grim jay]

I'm getting my lulz here

if people ask some questions

[strange python]

Sim it

Look at pins

[pure forum]

i need to find an alternative

[strange python]

Bit sad I’m not in it

[zealous dew]

eh i'm there

[strange python]

But that’s okay

[zealous dew]

I will be remembered when dots scale with haste

[strange python]

I’m at 97% haste now

Just waiting for it to happen

[zealous dew]

easy 117 with alacrity

[strange python]

Oh shit yes

[zealous dew]

97% haste and you spec TB, phail

[strange python]

Im the best arcane mage

[zealous dew]

that's too hard to play, try frost

I heard it's easier

[shrewd night]

Ohai

I didn't miss my flight

What are the odds

[spark veldt]

in BFA it would seem assassin is getting both sin strike and mutilate, yet they both do basically identical things, yes? so why would we need both?

am i missing something?

or is this just because of blizz's new design philosophy of giving classes back their abilities they pruned over the years

[shrewd oriole]

lul

[spark veldt]

everyone keeps laughing at me and i dont like it
please tell me, what am i missing here? both abilities are your primary combopoint generators, so one of them will end up doing it better, and thus making the other worthless

[shrewd oriole]

we dont have s strike

it's a leveling spell

[spark veldt]

mutilate doesnt say "replaces sinister strike" though
so you could still use sin strike at 120 if you wanted to

[shrewd oriole]

pretty sure it doesnt say that on live either mate

http://prntscr.com/id9tr0

straight from the talent calc on wowhead

it just does

hence why people laughed

[flint briar]

Hey pals. just a quick question, for m+ do you usually run subterfuge for the spicy garrotes?

[dire hatch]

Allo. quick question. are most use bracer-boot in poison build

[shrewd oriole]

@dire hatch depends on

off pieces

helm / shoulders / boots / bracers are all really close

it'll fluctuate between off pieces

[viral jackal]

Id run subterfuge on fortified but night on tyrannical. Personal opinion rat

[dire hatch]

i use bracer-boot-4pct21h-2pct20h(back-shoulder) 170 mastery

[flint briar]

alright ty

and @lone pebble id recommend simming or testing out what you have, according to herodamage the top 3 dps sims as poison assassination are with mantle bracers

[dire hatch]

@shrewd oriole basicly have all so its not a factor. i wonder what work best on progression

[flint briar]

But as someone stated above the differences are small between some legos, so let off-pieces decide but make sure to sim different options

[shrewd oriole]

^

[dire hatch]

legenday change between mythic and heroic gear. so im asking for heroic gear 😃

[lone pebble]

Cmon bro dont @ me

[flint briar]

oh shit haha, im sorry

[viral jackal]

Lmao

[shrewd oriole]

lmao

@dire hatch mate

there's no answer

the bis leggos depend on the item level of your pieces

simwhatever you have

[viral jackal]

Just use raidbots and top gear yourself

[drowsy island]

do rogues use prydaz at 22+ keys? finnally push one proud of myself

[viral jackal]

Only on tyrannical from my exp

[shrewd oriole]

what key?

[flint briar]

I rarely find myself needing a prydaz, feint is life

[dire hatch]

i have. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6ujXHb7EPsvF6atjK7hpsM

[drowsy island]

dht 22

[shrewd oriole]

it'll depend highly on keys but sub 25 I doubt you need it unless you play like shit

nah dht is easy

go elusiveness

[flint briar]

feint, cheat death, vanish can all be used to meme abilities

shadowmeld if you are nelf

[drowsy island]

nightelf in 2018? VOIDELF

[shrewd oriole]

voidelf ew

alliance ew

the winds on the dragon boss dont work with feint for some reason

but work with elusive

save cloak for feed

[flint briar]

Well it will help with the ground shit

[shrewd oriole]

use cloak on the second boss as well to clear roots

[flint briar]

I always try to bait it off

with feint

[shrewd oriole]

trash is pretty self explanatory

in dht

always kill the black bear first

[flint briar]

or skip evil bears entierly

or well the 2 before 1st boss

[pure forum]

vigor vs deeper stratagem

Go

[grim canopy]

okay so i found a buncha bfa videos crimson tempest seems shitty

[pure forum]

ive been using vigor just because energy is the bane of my existance

[grim canopy]

gotta go sub again in m+ for another expansion?

[pure forum]

the guide says it's personal preference, but it also talks about deeper stratagem for the rotation

[shrewd oriole]

PB is decent

it's 4%

1.5% higher per cp than Rn

it's still not on demand

[supple hearth]

predicting end game content based off leveling in alpha

[flint briar]

Without legos and an artifact weapon locking you into a certain spec we'll all be fine

[shrewd oriole]

but dunno I think CT could be decent with high levels of mastery

[jovial kite]

[flint briar]

Swap back and forth

I think

[pure forum]

Aaanyone?

[gilded lark]

If you expected an answer other than "sim it" i have some bad news.

[grim canopy]

has anyoen simmed alpha

[pure forum]

Siiiiiigh. I'm asking for opinions, not facts. The guide gives me the facts, it's personal opinion. I've not been playing rogue long enough to form said opinion

[shrewd oriole]

sim it

Kappa

[pure forum]

so much hate.

[gilded lark]

Use an opinion simulator

[pure forum]

The hate is building

[zealous dew]

you can't play ds

[gilded lark]

[zealous dew]

as poison

in pure st

[shrewd oriole]

pretending talents arent cookie cutter in 2018?

[gilded lark]

I mean

You can

But it'll feel really bad

[shrewd oriole]

you can do anything

you're a free man

[zealous dew]

woman

sofia

[gilded lark]

You can even play alacrity

[shrewd oriole]

you can play alacrity if you want

[pure forum]

so, since im poison, rock vigor

[gilded lark]

[pure forum]

gotcha

thank you

so easy that was

[gilded lark]

Or just sim it

[shrewd oriole]

^

[pure forum]

And we didn't even ha..

i hate you

[gilded lark]

To see if DS is better

[pure forum]

I hate you a lot.

[supple hearth]

Kek

[gilded lark]

Neat

Gas the weebs

[shrewd oriole]

coming to discord for discussion around talents

[supple hearth]

Wtb sim yoself gif memed to Sofia someone plz

[pure forum]

I will stab you.

[supple hearth]

P-plz...

[pure forum]

I'm bad at simming. And it's stupid, especially for opinion related things

Robots don't have opinions

Bots are not people.

[supple hearth]

Hey it's me gigglebot. My opinions are fact.

[pure forum]

#Robotlivesdon'tmatter

[shrewd oriole]

there

made a little visual guide

on how to sim

[pure forum]

I watch the robot torture scenes in star wars and I LAUGH

Screaming droids are the lullabys i sleep to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CR8fmF0gt8

[timid loom]

so just tried sin for the first time, should I envenom asap assuming everything else is up or should I time it just before it expires

[midnight latch]

👀

[strange python]

People outside are yelling

Someone hold my hand

[shrewd oriole]

http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

@timid loom

[pure forum]

I just memed so hard my discord crashed.

[zealous dew]

do i need to envenom before envenom ?

[shrewd oriole]

nah

you envenom

[timid loom]

ahh what a toxic place

[pure forum]

I feel like I missed something of vital importance since that picture is gone, though.

[shrewd oriole]

before envenom

[pure forum]

TOXIC

AYYYYYY

[frosty pagoda]

Puns

[strange python]

🤔

We’re never toxic

[timid loom]

Yea never

[pure forum]

TOXIC

AHAH

It never gets old.

[zealous dew]

so you toxic blade before enveom ?

i'm confused

[strange python]

No

You TB on CD

#TBonCD remember?

Memes

[shrewd oriole]

@timid loom mate

you asked the dumbest fucking question

read the guide

dont waste our time

[strange python]

🍿

[shrewd oriole]

👶 🍼

[pure forum]

why only one mutilate in the opener? That gets you a usually 3 point rupture

[glossy kestrel]

@pure forum my opinion on DS vs vigor: vigor is better if you're poor at eneregy management and frequently cap. vigor gives you more bearthing room. i like DS because i don't have that problem and i like the idea of harder finishers.

[strange python]

How

Do you even cap

[timid loom]

Waste your time by asking a single question?

[shrewd oriole]

http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

^

[strange python]

🍿

[glossy kestrel]

it also allows me some satifaction from timing garrote for when i need exactly one CP to hit 6. but can't do that all the time

[strange python]

Tom mad xD

[shrewd oriole]

by asking a question that's been asked millions of times

read

the

guide

[timid loom]

Or

Dont be a toxic prick

[glossy kestrel]

in the opener, with shoulders, only 1 mutilate because each hit of Mut crits, so mut gives you 4. @pure forum

[pure forum]

That sodium is bad for you, Tom.

[strange python]

Tom triggered 🍿

[shrewd oriole]

You're being fucking lazy

[pure forum]

Think of your heart.

[shrewd oriole]

I'm not salty

[strange python]

🍿 Tom 🍿

[shrewd oriole]

just annoying to have people who are so lazy

[strange python]

Free entertainment

[shrewd oriole]

people go through the trouble to write guides

for what?

[pure forum]

https://gyazo.com/e1a6635b71c7f8c2e1feb96818730463

"I'm not salty" - 2018

[shrewd oriole]

[strange python]

Actually laughing out loud

So toxic blade on cd or not 🤔

[strange python]

Oeh

[zealous dew]

mmm

this channell is so toxic

[pure forum]

LUCKILY MY QUESTION ISNT ANSWERED IN THE GUIDE

[zealous dew]

that bleeds green

[pure forum]

So. Why only one mutilate in the opener?

[zealous dew]

MUT GIVES 4 CP WHEN CRIT BABY

[shrewd oriole]

^

[zealous dew]

mantle = crit

[shrewd oriole]

^

[strange python]

^

[shrewd oriole]

^

[pure forum]

Some of us don't have fancy shoulders!

[shrewd oriole]

there's an opener with shoulders

[zealous dew]

then don't use shoulders opener

[strange python]

Be nice to Sofia I swear to god ill whiteknight the fuck out of this

[viscid helm]

idiot

[zealous dew]

Flowi is here!

[pure forum]

https://gyazo.com/8ee7d4dfeb2cc154adcb2fa17f726a6d

[shrewd oriole]

flowi : (

[pure forum]

Thats the opener im talking about

[strange python]

Admin here to fix it

[glossy kestrel]

@timid loom clarify your envenom question, please?

[viscid helm]

whats wrong with it?

are u gonna fucking muti twice?

thats 9 CP

[supple hearth]

@timid loom the only giggle approved insult here is 🥄 be nice.

@shrewd oriole don't spam

[zealous dew]

maybe anticipation

[strange python]

🍿

[timid loom]

Um

[strange python]

Lel

[timid loom]

He is the one who started insulting me sir.

[strange python]

giggle MVP

[zealous dew]

Sir 😄

[supple hearth]

Both of u be nice.

[timid loom]

Fair enough

[zealous dew]

Lady i'd say

[exotic glen]

hype

[supple hearth]

Call him a spoon if u need to but anything else is going to end in mutes or worse ;)

[exotic glen]

11/11

[zealous dew]

look at that cute rainbow puke

[strange python]

Dont assume 😫

[exotic glen]

please clap

[pure forum]

https://gyazo.com/0b529ef73142e158d2e0cc0e53393679

[timid loom]

Again goes both ways 😉

[exotic glen]

thx

[zealous dew]

gratz

[pure forum]

one muti and a garrote is 3

not 9

[zealous dew]

oh boy

[frosty pagoda]

LMAO

[strange python]

Sofia is there not an Opener tab in guide?

[viscid helm]

🥄

go away

[supple hearth]

Also to everyone new here this isn't a personal help desk if people don't want to answer questions they don't have to. If you get directed to resources go there and try asking something not there and you're less likely to get memed at.

[strange python]

It should give openers with and without shoulders

[zealous dew]

🥄

with or without you............

[pure forum]

I'm using the opener without shoulders

[strange python]

Okay

Good job

Fixed

[viscid helm]

yes and you are asking why only mut once

🤷

[frosty pagoda]

"What is an opener?"

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/idah4u

I'm gonna

tattoo this

on my ass

[manic vigil]

Flowi

[jovial kite]

thats what i call an ass rogue @lethal pivot

[zealous dew]

both cheeks or just one ?

[shrewd oriole]

that's the wrong tom : (

[jovial kite]

i know

cba switching

[shrewd oriole]

I'll tatto half on the left

half on the right

[zealous dew]

you could use some parts for letters

like I and O

[strange python]

My browser

Is rip

[shrewd oriole]

is that safari?

[zealous dew]

jungle

[strange python]

Yes

I guess I’ll download chrome

[zealous dew]

or you could use I.E.

i heard that comes with sin guide integrated

that states, never mutilate twice

[strange python]

Never 🤔

Good guide

[zealous dew]

credit to @supple hearth

[shrewd oriole]

lul

[pure forum]

the point is, why 1, why not 2? 2 gives you five cps for the rupture, 1 gives you three

[shrewd oriole]

yeha but when do you use toxic blade?

[zealous dew]

never,

Sofia, mutilate gives from 2 to 4

[viscid helm]

what is 4+4+1

[zealous dew]

not 2

[strange python]

21

[pure forum]

you toxic blade after the first rupture, according to the opener

[zealous dew]

I quit, bye

[strange python]

Sounds right to me

[pure forum]

so your first rupture is still three cp

[strange python]

Thats okay

[zealous dew]

you're about to trigger flowi

if you trigger flowi, he gets banned then we need to #freeflowi

[strange python]

It’s been simmed to be the highest DPS opener

[shrewd oriole]

If yall think I rage

wait until you see flowi rage

xd

[pure forum]

I think i made a faulty assumption.

cps increase the time of rupture, not the damage

[shrewd oriole]

he goes full SARGERAS GAZE

[strange python]

If you want you can fuck around in the APL and look if you can make a better one tho

[pure forum]

i thought they increased damage, so you'd want to get your first one as high as possible

[zealous dew]

right

[strange python]

Even then

If we link a guide it’s not to troll

Not fake news

[viscid helm]

idk

[pure forum]

I'm not saying the guide is wrong, im asking why it's right.

[viscid helm]

its made by notter

[strange python]

Ye true

[viscid helm]

who the f gonna trust that

[strange python]

@gaunt moat I miss you sometimes

It’s right because you need to apply everything asap

[pure forum]

Thank you.

That makes sense

[strange python]

Also probably not to cap on energy

[pure forum]

And you managed it without having a thirteen year old girl hissy fit.

Amazing.

[strange python]

But isnt that logic

🤔

Or are you new to rogue in general

[pure forum]

im new to rogue in general, more or less. I've never played one end game before now

[strange python]

It’s all starting to make sense now

[pure forum]

ive played them casually, just not as my main

[gaunt moat]

@viscid helm well it's been proofread by wEak, but who's gonna trust him right? 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

is he even world 2nd?

sigh

[viscid helm]

Well considering that he literally lost he's "trusted" rank

i'd hope no one

[strange python]

He’s too busy fixing his grammatical errors in his guide

[onyx falcon]

@ bunny, wEak is only good at the maffs, should only trust him for that right? 🤔

[strange python]

Everyone lost trusted tho

[pure forum]

well duh

who would trust a rogue

[strange python]

I would

Not all ofc, only orange or purple names

And some memers

We take it to PM’s when we’re serious

[gaunt moat]

i would only trust @midnight latch

[strange python]

SPEEDBLEED

[viscid helm]

shitter cant even clear farm

[strange python]

THAT WAS HIS NAME

[pure forum]

Trust no one

[viscid helm]

losing to outlaw rogue

[pure forum]

it's in the damn name

OUTLAW

[midnight latch]

😮

[viscid helm]

@midnight latch

[strange python]

NOTTER IS WAS SPEEDBLEED

[manic vigil]

[strange python]

anyone remembers him?

[midnight latch]

THAT DUDE HAS 6 YARDS RANGE ON ME

FUCK HIM

[strange python]

Good guy

Miss him

[midnight latch]

cant even hit adds from save zone

this boss is so gay

[strange python]

Good memer

[midnight latch]

bench me pls

[strange python]

I will

Ill bed you

😏

[midnight latch]

🤔

[manic vigil]

[strange python]

Oh

I thought we had a thing here my bad

[vapid moth]

gets declined and asks why

"i dont want a rogue"

"nothing wrong with rogues"

[midnight latch]

I like rogues

[vapid moth]

"i didnt say there was"

[midnight latch]

and dks

[hybrid igloo]

What's the standard m+ build top sin rogues are running subterfuge or NS?

[vapid moth]

"then there should be no issue with having a rogue"

[strange python]

DfA

[vapid moth]

and he doesnt respond

[viscid helm]

no one runs sin m+

[shrewd oriole]

Maybe he has enough melees already?

[midnight latch]

@gaunt moat what do you trust me with thou?

[vapid moth]

hes the only one in the fucking group

[shrewd oriole]

what class is he?

[midnight latch]

@olive crow I did run sin yesterday

[shrewd oriole]

and what level is it?

[midnight latch]

as a joke

[strange python]

Arms

[midnight latch]

[strange python]

95

[viscid helm]

so you dont count

[midnight latch]

thanks fam

love you to mate

[hybrid igloo]

Well I don't have any sub gear trying to push up to 4k today was just curious what the top rogues run was thinking about using subter over ns

[vapid moth]

a DH

[midnight latch]

nah dude

[vapid moth]

19 upper

[midnight latch]

monk

Brewslee

[strange python]

Monk 👌🏼

Group all adds, pop everything when PB procs and repeat

[midnight latch]

gotta pray

[strange python]

🙏🏻

[midnight latch]

for those bombs to carry you

[shrewd oriole]

@vapid moth maybe he doesnt want more melees?

[onyx falcon]

o.o im catching up on wow news and found this on wowhead "http://www.wowhead.com/news=281762/battle-for-azeroth-alpha-bleeds-and-poisons-now-scale-with-haste"

[shrewd oriole]

why is taht a bad reason to decline you lmao

[strange python]

XD

117% haste

BOYS

LETS

GO

[vapid moth]

thats not the reason he used though. he said he doesnt want a rogue specifically

i hate when people use bullshit excuses

[strange python]

you’re trash

That’s why

[vapid moth]

i know. he just didnt have the balls to say it

but im not trash. my score is and people cant look past that

[viscid helm]

https://puu.sh/zlzn3/8c4c0bfdb2.png

🤷

[zealous dew]

lolz

[onyx falcon]

@viscid helm I'm not much better than you =/

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

what proof does he have that you're not trash

[vapid moth]

the fact that i 2keyed a 17

[shrewd oriole]

what do mean

????

[vapid moth]

completed a +17 with 8 minutes to spare

[shrewd oriole]

that doesnt make you not trash tho

lol

[inner socket]

you could have been carried for all they know

[vapid moth]

im not so sure about that

[shrewd oriole]

the only proof that you're PROBABLY not trash is score

[midnight latch]

I played brh 18 as sin yesterday AMA

[strange python]

Naya

[midnight latch]

spoiler

sucked dick

[strange python]

When do I tb

[vapid moth]

but the dungeon score isnt bad

[midnight latch]

@strange python always

[vapid moth]

so youre saying he wouldve let someone with a 3k score in had they not even done Upper khara

[strange python]

Okay ty

[shrewd oriole]

probs

[onyx falcon]

DW guys, dont needa check, I am trash i admit it

[vapid moth]

oh well then

question though. why do people have an issue with lots of melee on upper

[spice surge]

You have to either a. more damage on curator from being stacked or b. not kill the sparks fast enough if you spread

[shrewd oriole]

medivh is quite annoying with 3 melees as well

[spice surge]

As is the last boss when theres multiple orbs

[shrewd oriole]

ye

[spice surge]

But those are mostly annoying whereas curator is quite a bit harder

[shrewd oriole]

most dungeons are easier as ranged

or even

most dungeons get considerably more annoying with more than 1 melee

[onyx falcon]

@vapid moth its not an "issue" with melee, its just a lot of the bosses make it esier w/ range

1st boss ever time you move the sparks stay in puddles so melee cant hit em, 2nd boss lotsa mechs w/ rings around you so gotta constantly move around (range can dodge a lot of these), 4th boss you can cheese most of the fight w/ range

[warm beacon]

shut up

[spice surge]

How rude

[shrewd oriole]

what the

[crystal fox]

who is this random player

[shrewd oriole]

<@&224906552333697025> ban this guy 😡

[warm beacon]

It was my dog

sorry

[shrewd oriole]

OH

my bad dude

[warm beacon]

he's rude sometimes

[shrewd oriole]

have a great day

[strange python]

is world of warcraft the best game ever?

[warm beacon]

after minecraft

maybe

[strange python]

🤦 tagging all shadowblades

[exotic glen]

might as well tag the admins as well

[warm beacon]

as well twice

why

[strange python]

as well as well

Might aswell

[exotic glen]

such redundant wording, which is redundant

[warm beacon]

I agree with you, you're right

[exotic glen]

thanks, thank you

[shrewd oriole]

I think adventure quest worlds is the best game of all time

http://www.aq.com/

[strange python]

I played that game

[crystal fox]

what's your problem @strange python ?

did someone hurt your feelings?

[strange python]

He cant play rogue

[warm beacon]

feelsbadman

[supple hearth]

@shrewd oriole that wasn't really necessary 🤦

[shrewd oriole]

I needed to call the cops

[frigid briar]

You were awake anyways giggle :)

[shrewd oriole]

@ shadowblades is like 911

or the batsignal

❤

[crystal fox]

rognoma and feylz only come here to stir it up and be tocix, so it was quite necessary

now go and 🥄 them giggle!

show them who's the boss!

[frigid briar]

I deleted that comment by feylz and warned them. Dw

[strange python]

🍿 Boi, I do love me some drama

[exotic glen]

i didnt see the drama

who are we laughing at

[strange python]

You can makes some

[warm beacon]

what about me

i'm a good boy

that's what my mom says

[nimble tartan]

[exotic glen]

haha rognoma, you have a funny nose

[shrewd oriole]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ConfidentLittleAxeEagleEye

can we pin this

[supple hearth]

Pinning outlaw stuff in the sin channel..?

[shrewd oriole]

You can pin it in the outlaw channel

[exotic glen]

its to show the superiority of sin over outlaw

[shrewd oriole]

But I fear you might anger them

[exotic glen]

even though its probably not

[strange python]

It is

Always

[lone junco]

Slootborg isn't a rogue main is he? Why would I care about him

[warm beacon]

empathy

we all should care about the others

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

[merry root]

you should be happy that someone popular outside of rogue community is showing the flaws in your class design

[shrewd oriole]

^

[gaunt moat]

@merry root why

would it mean he has lesser understanding of the class?

[manic vigil]

pretty sure he just means that as an outsider he's not one of those "my class sucks plz halp" artistic boiz you know

[gaunt moat]

and even if he was, you think a meme streamer has some valauble insight?

i watched the clip. he pretty much implies "this class sucks"

[merry root]

sloot is a "meme streamer"?

[gaunt moat]

0 value

[manic vigil]

maybe not but it helps showing that the appeal to play outlul is very much lowere than for almost anything else

[merry root]

Get out of your bubble

[manic vigil]

why? he could represent the opinion of a new player for example

as is outlaw only really works once you have op items. and who's gonna suffer until he's there

when you can just reroll to monk and win

[merry root]

it's a lighthearted moment, but most would agree the current state of blade flurry does not look good at all

[manic vigil]

yes

of course your insight, or those of the TCers etc is more valuable in the long run

but sloot can show that playing outlaw just plain sucks 🤷

[gaunt moat]

we have people working on identifying issues with specs and dilvering that information forward
making memes is not a constructive way of helping. so i don't see any value in this.

except maybe humor.

[manic vigil]

that's true

I guess

but outlaw needs A LOT of help if you ask me

sucks donkey balls

[viscid helm]

not anymore than sin

just wait for the new traits

[gaunt moat]

outlaw has been barely touched yet. there are more changes coming

[exotic glen]

sin feels better to play then outlaw, straight up

[viscid helm]

what?

no TB

no KB

yeh

[exotic glen]

outlaw definitely needs more work

[viscid helm]

YEH SO MUCH BETTER

[exotic glen]

oh, we talking strictly bfa?

[manic vigil]

that is right of course notter

[exotic glen]

mb

[manic vigil]

we shouldn't judge until we have a better picture

I still think it's okay for someone like sloot to do what he does

[exotic glen]

of course its ok to do what he did, notter was arguing that it doesnt have any real criticism value

sloot can do what he wants

[merry root]

if you want to get criticism value out of a 10 sec clip i have bad news for u

[shrewd oriole]

idk notter

sure in that clip he's memeing

but

[merry root]

but yeah, the clip itself is for the luls

[shrewd oriole]

it's incredibly dumb to dismiss someone's opinion because they joke around

[frigid briar]

I think notters more speaking about asking to get it pinned in outlaw channel

[shrewd oriole]

that was a joke tho

aha

[exotic glen]

personally, i see the clip as more of a "damn, i feel bad for the people playing bfa outlaw in this current state" more than "this is legit criticism of the spec"

[shrewd oriole]

^

[manic vigil]

he's representing the "casual feeling" of just picking up outlul. and when that sucks then it sucks. idk, I think it has some value at least

[shrewd oriole]

the elgit criticism was the rest of the stream

he went over why he ddi not like it

[manic vigil]

exactly, I'm talking about his whole stream, not just the clip

the clip alone is just a meme indeed

[shrewd oriole]

ye

I mean

calling sloot casual

he mained rogue for quite a while

[frigid briar]

Specs are designed now currently only to make alpha live. They are just bones. Things will come go and move around. Judging specs now as a whole isnt a thing. Judging changes as they come is fine.

[manic vigil]

I think noxious is right. we don't really want the clip pinned btw

[frigid briar]

We all know sloot is reputable

Hes a good tank atleast

[viscid helm]

😂

[frigid briar]

I dont know enough beyond that

[gaunt moat]

You also need to realize when sloot streams he is an entertainer, and he needs to sound like he actually has something to talk about

[manic vigil]

I'm not calling sloot a casual

[frigid briar]

True

[manic vigil]

I call just boosting a rogue and trying it for one dungeon a casual look at the class

[exotic glen]

calling sloot a casual would straight up be factually wrong

[manic vigil]

I love sloot wtf

[gaunt moat]

so analyzing outlaw at this point to point out mistakes?
like i said, it's good for humor, but nothing more than that

right now the only valuable information from alpha is finding bugs

[manic vigil]

truth

[shrewd oriole]

It's not bad to evaluate changes as they come

like, full fleshed spec or not you can tell the blade flurry change feels frustrating to play

[manic vigil]

I still like shitting on outlaw when it is as it is

[shrewd oriole]

which is what the video illustrates

[vocal roost]

I made my choice

[manic vigil]

if change is in the making... woohoo

[vocal roost]

im assassination like the cool kids

fuck monks

[shrewd oriole]

and by providing feedback about the change, even if early on

you get change

[merry root]

If it's an iterative process, problems should be pointed out as early as possible

[gaunt moat]

i wouldn't even attempt to analyze a spec before we know what the artifact traits will be

like in the sense of

calling it "frustrating"

[manic vigil]

he's making a statement about the current state that is available to him 🤷

might turn out useless because it's just for a period until we leveled up

(most likely anyway right)

[gaunt moat]

i see infexious typing for like 2 hours now, wonder what he has to say

[frigid briar]

Sloot doesnt have his shipyard follower missions yet on his outlaw rogue so no access to the 4 new utility legendarys or the 3 new OP dps legendarys

[exotic glen]

you can pre-face your criticism with "if there will be no significant changes later in the progression to the problems im about to point out, i find them negative changes to the spec"

nothing wrong with making criticism with the knowledge you have available

[gaunt moat]

why would he say that when he knows there will be changes o_O

[frigid briar]

Argueing over specs at this point is pointless to be tbh. Alpha basically just released. RtB was a talent till late beta

Its all just guesses for 6 months

[warm parcel]

There wont be major changes

So why not

[supple hearth]

Inb4 major changes

[gaunt moat]

you don't consider the artifact traits as changes?

[warm parcel]

Only specs to receive reworks are surv and demo

And demos missing

OL will see rtb rebalance (hopefully)

[shrewd oriole]

we dont know how big artifact traits are

[warm parcel]

And remain mainly the same

[shrewd oriole]

^

[exotic glen]

while i would agree with the sentiment, blizzard has pretty consistently shown to not listen to a lot of criticism if its not there early

and sometimes they straight up ignore it

[shrewd oriole]

so giving feedback about bladeflurry

feels appropriate

at least to me idk

[gaunt moat]

we can assume they will be substential enough to affect the specs in some-way

[warm parcel]

ye

If you wanna change fb do it now

bf not fb

[gaunt moat]

for all we know, there will be a trait "whenever you activate BF an atomic blast goes off" 😄

[exotic glen]

i want that now

[gaunt moat]

(hire me blizz)

[exotic glen]

blizz pls

notter is a genius

[manic vigil]

no big changes?

flowi right after all?

(ded class)

[warm parcel]

I mean the specs work fine as they are

Theres nothing broken about them

[gaunt moat]

@warm parcel we're talking more about not being able to see the whole picture right now, than about changes to base mechanics

[rotund grove]

Hey thats not fair. They don't ignore feedback. They just wait untill the change they are making goes onto live servers,gets the same response and then change it after people were planning around that change.

[warm parcel]

RTB is the only thing blizz agrees hasnt hit the point with OL

[crystal fox]

its not like rogues need 'major changes'

[manic vigil]

fk it I'm going back to mage

[shrewd oriole]

Idk weak

do you like the new blade flurry?

[frigid briar]

Well not really. They hate the pirate theme for outlaw

[warm parcel]

As in it being something you have to put thought into

Ye

[shrewd oriole]

ive done a few dungeons and I disliked it but maybe I'm just using it poorly and getting greedy with it

[warm parcel]

Its no longer brain dead toggle

[frigid briar]

They want it to be more of a bandit

[viscid helm]

no one is gonna play outlaw anyway so who cares

🤷

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah I like it being a thoughtful action but I dislike the current numbers

[warm parcel]

Numbers are irrelevant

Those can change any day

[shrewd oriole]

true

[warm parcel]

Its the flow

[vocal roost]

😮

[crystal fox]

i hate when speccs dont have a flow to them

[manic vigil]

I mean if you basically can't aoe at all for up to 13seconds then it better hurts a lot while it's up huh

[rotund grove]

They should swap the design of BF and PB around. Two charges of PB.

[gaunt moat]

But that's what i'm saying.
Artufact traits might affect the flow.
They defintly do in legion.

[manic vigil]

ye

[exotic glen]

hahahahaha and you randomly hit with an aoe attack like bf?

[warm parcel]

They might just be pure % buffs

Or utility

[manic vigil]

weak is depressing me

[exotic glen]

just to ask if you can name one notter,

[lone junco]

Dfa bf on the way down. Ezpz.

Dfa prob gone from outlaw anyway.

[exotic glen]

do you know one single spell that was fundamentally weak or bad to play with that got "good" after people unlocked a certain character progress?

[warm parcel]

what dfa 🤔

[gaunt moat]

That's also a possibilty.
That's why my starting point was that it's too early.
Now is a time t focus on bugs

[exotic glen]

like, not bad number-wise but sucking to play with

[manic vigil]

what's with the formatting Notter

[lone junco]

Ye. I don't care about alpha. Too far out for me to move the needle.

[gaunt moat]

On phone :x

@exotic glen fan of knives with PK bug? Haha 😝

[exotic glen]

🤔

[supple hearth]

I remember when everyone was saying outlaw was going to be THE go to PvP spec during legion beta. That sub was ruined and assassination was awful and the only viable one was outlaw. Then at launch everyone went assassination until the nerfs then went back to sub and outlaw has been dead for PvP.

Things change. From beta to live then even at the start when they work kinks out

[crystal fox]

never forgetti combat red buff pvp in wod

red buff > SKILLING SPREEEEE

[shrewd oriole]

I mean tbf

sub was trash

lol

[exotic glen]

sub until the rework was almost unplayable imo

[shrewd oriole]

ye

[manic vigil]

fishing for buffs is a stupid concept imo

snd is boring af 🤷

I mean that's a fair point. They can change a lot of course. But looking at outlul now, I just don't see how that will ever be fun. No number tuning would make it fun (unless you're way op and that would get old quick as well)

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