!!!
#assassination
onyx rock
vernal adder
bam margera in 2002
jovial kite
yeah
vernal adder
now he looks like his dad
spare cloud
did someone say dad?
vernal adder
38
vernal adder
fred is 47
onyx rock
holy
dire spoke
I feel like jumping a bush
midnight latch
good ol limp biszkit tracklist
dire spoke
in honor
onyx rock
y i still listen to limp biskit
vernal adder
its my way
onyx rock
they will never release this new album they talked about back in 2012
vernal adder
ye
jovial kite
scammed 
onyx rock
sstampede of the disco elephants
midnight latch
onyx rock
Gold Cobra was so trash
midnight latch
I mean they were off my radar after they benched the guitarist
vernal adder
the singer of offspring is 52
onyx rock
wes borland y
vernal adder
wtf he isnt there anymore?
vernal adder
thats prolly why the album is in production hell
midnight latch
he is? 🤔
supple hearth
Use. <> For links plz
onyx rock
oh y sry giggle
midnight latch
🔨
spare cloud
I checked my spotify history today and rediscovered like 4 bands
supple hearth
Tysm
spare cloud
OH MAN
midnight latch
tings are going hammer bammer bammer bammer
spare cloud
I WAS LISTENING WHEN YOU CHANGED IT AND IT STOPPED
vernal adder
ye discover weekly
spare cloud
that band reminds me of ffdp
onyx rock
kind of yes
onyx rock
going to sleep at 07:12 🤔
jovial kite
aight
midnight latch
finished about an hour aggo
jovial kite
@midnight latch
quick ice
that's healthy
dire spoke
then
midnight latch
well you cant sleep if you have this anxiety gripping at you that you have to finish x and y stuff till deadline z
vernal adder
25 for me
dire spoke
did you get it done naya?
midnight latch
yeah
spare cloud
I'm lucky that im still in my first semester and I don't have to do projects yet
vernal adder
feelsgoodman
spare cloud
feelsgoodman
hollow robin
How accurate is Raidbots/Simcraft at comparing relics? Getting a 20k dps loss going from a 960 to 985, assuming its just more of assassiantion wanting traits over ilvl/wdps?
onyx rock
do it like me and dont work, born rich
midnight latch
:residentsleeper:
dire spoke
night night 👋
onyx rock
i can send you a millon over paypal if you want ?!
spare cloud
Couldn't even live until death with 1 million
onyx rock
but maybe its help him idk how mcuh a million to you normal people is
dire spoke
right
spare cloud
yeah
vapid moth
I won't take a million but 100 dollars would fill my wow neexs
vernal adder
just buy a house
spare cloud
but that would require effort, i thought we were talking no work at all
onyx rock
i habve like 64 Millionen EUR here in germany... more in other countrys
vapid moth
Why?
spare cloud
that would be all the tcg mounts
vernal adder
wish I won the 90m eurojackpot
onyx rock
why in other countrys ?
taxes
how much can i send you guys with paypal ?
i think there is a limit
wanna try 10k ?
dire spoke
I volunteer
spare cloud
xD
onyx rock
ok i stop sry
vapid moth
Jingle money in my face and I might just bite your hand off
jovial kite
i would like to participate in the 10k giveaway please
onyx rock
i will not talk about my money
spare cloud
Smarty funding the rogue community
onyx rock
i allready own discord so lol
spare cloud
please give me nitro then
thats all i want
I can't pay on paypal atm because some shit is bugged
dire spoke
spare cloud
and it doesn't support german cards
onyx rock
i cant do it... i am a owner not an admin
spare cloud
LOL
onyx rock
i dont even know how to do this
jovial kite
vernal adder
:congaparrot:
spare cloud
feelsbetriebsratman
vernal adder
hmm
onyx rock
works Council
spare cloud
i tried google translate as well but i though that sounded fishy
onyx rock
sounds good
i like it
feelsworksCouncilman
one sec... have to go to the helicopter quick
jovial kite
and fall off a cliff?
dire spoke
I can't even
onyx rock
i am so bored ingame
standing in dala
dont know what to do
i make a group
"Bored Club"
spare cloud
Horde?
jovial kite
yeah
onyx rock
cant find you hmm
jovial kite
im not online yet
spare cloud
would never do again if given the choice
jovial kite
finishing this run of slay the spire fast
onyx rock
you allready have a group ?
onyx rock
reeee
jovial kite
i can lead it np but you got to make the group so i can find you
and i got argus hc killed
so we need that for the fresh id too
vernal adder
same
spare cloud
what is this conversation even
spare cloud
I'ma go to sleep as well
jovial kite
to filter out ppl so its not a wipefest
spare cloud
gn8 guys
jovial kite
nitenite
onyx rock
i am making a group so you can find me... called "jared leto"
dire spoke
D: would like to join but I did heroic twice already and my weekly cancer is topped
onyx rock
You could join just for the fuuuun Zempai
jovial kite
yeah
onyx rock
we are neck buddys !"
vapid moth
Horde yuck
jovial kite
i've been searching for a while 😛
onyx rock
^^
jovial kite
anyone wanna come antorus hc
whisper slackjack-stormreaver
eu horde
onyx rock
we have mass silence
jovial kite
and bootay
onyx rock
!
eternal cape
question, new rogue here, does the 2p21 work on all active poisons on all targets or just the target you envenomed on
eternal cape
that's sick 😮
onyx rock
its called Virulent Poisons
eternal cape
thanks
onyx rock
yw
vapid moth
zealous dew
and she studied at oxford
vapid moth
she was bashing on my 1977 raider io score. she has a 2400
zealous dew
well, to be fair, she's better than you
exotic glen
you bigot xaethron
twat
how could you not recognize such skill could only come from a girl
winter tiger
for fortified do i use subterfuge or NS?
exotic glen
personally i just pick ns no matter what
onyx rock
poison vs bleed build !
vapid moth
why would you want subterfuge
winter tiger
well its fortfied
trash week
and you can get multiple garotes out
at higher damage
higher than with ns
125% garote damage vs 50% increased
exotic glen
depends on how many targets there are
you're not gonna spam garrote if there are 10 targets
exotic glen
ye but with reasonable amount of mobs, your 4pc can keep you full on energy
vapid moth
this is one interesting female
exotic glen
monkaS
winter tiger
That nerd has game
exotic glen
what the fuck LOL
onyx rock
round 1: posion won
civic palm
People like that still exist?!!?
onyx rock
Master McPoisonLoad´s Bleed Build destroyed me on Dogs with almost 2,5M to 2,2M
zealous dew
M ?
onyx rock
shut the fuck up dude
zealous dew
chain pb ftw
onyx rock
are you 11/11 ?
zealous dew
12/11
onyx rock
no ? so be quit
exotic glen
be quit, dude
zealous dew
i'll be quit
civic palm
Just quiet.
upper wren
Yes
fervent beacon
Much quit, yes.
cobalt saddle
trying to figure out this poison bomb thing s
how do i make it happen more? It seems like some peeps actually have a poison bomb BUILD becuase its shows in the top 3 of dps Skada
exotic glen
its just random, fall
those people with high poison bomb damage have just been more lucky than you
exotic glen
np
cobalt saddle
but still trying to research it
i dont see an explaination anywhere for it
its not in any of my talents or spells
zealous dew
you can "force" pb by spamming more finishers
cobalt saddle
ty ty
zealous dew
you can't ST, you can aoe
cobalt saddle
its a trait really?
cobalt saddle
i dont see bag of tricks
zealous dew
top left
gilded lark
civic palm
G L
strange python
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
pine lynx
Hey guys
exotic glen
hello
exotic glen
depends on what you need to know
exotic glen
did you read the guide in the header?
pine lynx
Where is it ? ( I'm French BTW)
exotic glen
plucky ember
pine lynx
lol thanks
pine lynx
ok thx
gilded lark
unless that question is covered by the guide
dire remnant
any of you guys pvp as sin?
gilded lark
in which case you need to think about what you're doing with your life
pvp is a minigame for casuals
@nibren
dire remnant
if i put on deadly poison and crippling
does tha thurt my deadly poison procs
or does it proc just as often and i just slkow pl too?
slow
gilded lark
tacit ferry
interesting theory but no thats not how it works lol
steep obsidian
dont you get a pvp honor talent that auto applies crippling anyway?
hallow echo
You do
tacit ferry
applies wound but yeah
civic palm
Read the guiiiiiiiiiiide.
dire remnant
im talkin pve guys
if i run deadly and crippling
is that a negative in anyway ?
idk i remember back in the day you could put deadly on both weps
or deadly on main, crippling on off
stark adder
Deadly and crippling poison pair together. Apply both everytime
tame cobalt
if im using head leggo, does my opener change a bit? cause im pretty sure i gonna cap on energy?
strange python
How are races ranked? I know belf is OP af for m+, any tips before using the 110 boost? 😛
dire remnant
in situations where i have two targets, say like felhounds on heroic, how should i be using my garrote? i feel like sometimes i can just pandemic stack it on my current target
but sometimes it feels like maybe it would be better to use it on the other dog when i run over to garrote and rupture it
seems like i'd get more value out of putting it on the other dog, but then it'll fall off my main target so idk how much that changes things?
exotic glen
well, considering you dont really get any benefit for attacking the target with your dots on them, like you did in nighthold
you could do what you propose, killswitch
but its just extra work for an absolutely minimal gain
dire remnant
i see
okay
as long as i'm not missing anything huge
that's wha ti like to hear argonic
plucky ember
it might work for Norm & hc felhounds
dire remnant
in that i think i'm just overthinking what im supposed to be doing dot wise
yeah in mythic idk if you'd wanna risk it
do you guys run over to other dog in mythic for the dots
also, what is good envenom buff uptime considered in fights like argus?
exotic glen
point is, killsiwtch, you can have a much bigger gain from optimizing your rotation instead of min/maxing dots like this
plucky ember
but if you are trying to do M, thats just a dumb way to get your raid to wipe
jovial kite
i dot both dogs in all difficulties
jovial kite
why
exotic glen
also 80%+ uptime i think is the recommended
because the dots from either boss will splash onto you when you are on the other side
plucky ember
on M you will fuck people up with the diffrent debuffs that the hounds gives you
jovial kite
you dont though
plucky ember
yes
exotic glen
you get a debuff that does so you should stand on 1 dog, if you go to the other, you get fucked
jovial kite
you dont
if you mongo while there are casts incoming you fuck up
but you dont if you switch when nothing happens
dire remnant
yeah i can just see it being risky
also, do you guys do m+ as assassination too? how do you like it?
jovial kite
its risky if you dont know when to switch
dire remnant
i just swapped this week so im learnign all the stuff
exotic glen
i play assa in m+ just because i like the spec more
if im being serious on trash heavy dungeons or fortified, i go sub
brisk forge
Easiest is to try the spec i mean We'll have diff opinions
dire remnant
im thinking specifically i should go sin on EoA
cuz DfA and shadowstrike get fked by wrath of azshara
brisk forge
You're overthinking stuff man
dire remnant
so im stuck doing much les than optimal dps
exotic glen
and bracers fuck the last boss
dire remnant
isnt that what this sub is about though, overthinking?
omg
you're right
WOW
i've been gimping myself this whole time
lmao
i could be pulling 3m on that boss prob eh
plucky ember
rather have a smooth kill then risk your raid with with you trying to boost your dps ranking on hounds
exotic glen
same, wolkvar
jovial kite
i say theres 0% chance to fuck up
plucky ember
haha
jovial kite
🤷🏽
dont do it if you dont know how to do it
but i also play bleed so theres more value in switching for me than for poison
vernal rain
So whats the deal with assassination aoe? Fok and rupture everything and hope for pb proc? Or am i missing something
vernal rain
Is the spec reliant on poison bomb procs to be competitive in parses? Only picked up the spec couple weeks ago and poison bomb seems to be the make or break
vernal rain
Yikes, cheers for the quick reply
exotic glen
it doesnt fully make or break the spec imo, you can always achieve super high parses by playing well and being optimized
but sometimes, there just is a parse that is totally bullshit with like 20% pb dmg
fiery cradle
yep
exotic glen
a good, but unlucky assa rogue will perform better than a bad one with good rng
tame cobalt
does opener change with legendary head?
exotic glen
i'd take a wild guess and say no
because the energy regen is staggered, so you wont lose much with the vendetta in the beginning
tame cobalt
and if im capping energy a little on the opener without head, is it normal or am i doing something wrong?
exotic glen
capping just a little bit is unavoidable almost i think
i havent really analyzed how much i personally cap in the opener, brb
i just did a few sample tests of my own logs and i pretty consistently overcapped by about 20 energy in the opener
i had 1 attempt where i only overcapped on 8, and another outlier on 30 energy
tame cobalt
ah i see, then its normal, cheers
potent lintel
So why is it not ok to spam as much envenom in the KB window as you can during vandetta since the amount of energy you get you can get easy 1-1.5 mil damage instantly
shrewd night
Surge of toxins for the whole durations > spamming
potent lintel
ya but why not just spam envenom get the couple of 1.5 mil hits and then towards end of KB let the duration of the envenom spam out
shrewd night
As long as you are guaranteed to have enough energy to keep up surge of toxins, do what you want is what I'm getting at
lone junco
@potent lintel KB does more damage based on poison applications. envenom buff increases poison application rate. If you hammer out and run short on e, you will end up limp. your kb dot average can be in the 6m-8m range depending on gear. so if you are around that 👌
@shrewd night kb isnt on this list. are you saying it should be?
env and sot are nearly identical clip. so w/e
shrewd night
No. I'm thinking if the 4p like a pleb. Same duration and clip so 🤷
Am I drunk right Now?
Probably am
Disregard
magic kayak
Does anyone have the google doc with all the weights for relics and the nether crucible?
supple hearth
pins do
gaunt moat
are you trying to hit on her?
shrewd night
I love you too bunbun
supple hearth
@shrewd night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRm8blh0iu0
lone junco
@supple hearth My ego is still trying to recover from that Arcway
supple hearth
lol
lone junco
I should run with our warlock more.
We tried pulling maw all the way to the top. Never wiped faster
zealous dew
noobe
i have a crazy pull for you
need a skystep potion for you though
not you, for the tank
NL, pull everything till the waterfall jump 😃
no bear sorry 😃
exotic glen
need some strong displacement CC if you want to do it this week
unless you dont mind the pack being healed to full every 20 seconds
our group just did that in an arcway a few times
exotic glen
naya 🍺 🍻
midnight latch
6 and a half minutes of combat cause these fuckin flame breath dudes just camp in the bloodzones
those mobs are so gay holy shit
@exotic glen 🍺
exotic glen
locks seem somewhat mandatory on sanguine weeks
their aoe snowballing can to some degree minimize the pain from sanguine
midnight latch
dks tank with mass grip
druid with typhoon
priest heal for mind control
is a good setup
add more dks for more of dem grips
or so much burst
taht the pools dont matter
zealous dew
i wouldn't take that corridor
not even if you paid me
and go with 3 ranged
makes the dungeon 20 times easier
midnight latch
eh rogue feels good in it to burst down those nasty mobs
2 ranges 1 rogue would be swell
zealous dew
rogue will die to archer shoot
if ranged outrange
either all stay in range or 3 ranged
midnight latch
true
shrewd oriole
The warrior in my guild sims less than me
That makes me feel very happy for some reason 😃
solar fog
#Hastematters
shrewd oriole
If haste is good for us next expansion we are gonna be filthy arcano plebs
shrewd oriole
We add locks now baby
Aff*
If you think about it we are just gonna be melee aff locks
zealous dew
UA spam?
shrewd oriole
In the sense that haste scales dot speed
midnight latch
👀
tame cobalt
should i use deeper stratagem if it sims higher?
exotic glen
do you want to do more dmg?
tame cobalt
who doesnt 😄 its just that noone uses it as i saw, so interested if its bad or just sims lower with some gear
grim jay
iirc DS sims higher with more crit
exotic glen
probably also sims higher if not using shoulders i'd imagine
tame cobalt
i am using shoulders and head
exotic glen
interesting
crystal fox
Rupture
25 Energy Melee Range
Instant
Requires Rogue (Assassination)
Requires level 20
Ruptures the target with (370.8% of Attack power) Bleed damage over 8 sec. You may afflict a target with up to 5 Ruptures at once.
grim jay
that makes no sense at all. shoulders have no impact on anything but your critvalue
crystal fox
unstable rupturefliction ^
tame cobalt
im at 28crit and have eoc
exotic glen
i was simply thinking that when using shoulders, your burst window is going to be 4cp envenoms or 2 muts for a 6 cp one
that might be thinking of it the wrong way, i havent played ds with shoulders this expac
pure forum
bleed build or poison build? Or is it personal preference
pure forum
Welll im level 105 right now, so.
crystal fox
poison
pure forum
Thank you
grim jay
@exotic glen burstwindow is completly irrelevant for that choice
its more like
how many cp will you waste using mut at 3cp
cyan rune
So if i have Ravenholdt ring and lego head.. how much behind am i compared to shoulder/breacer meta?
a lot or luxury margin
plain thistle
calm grail
But you need a respectable amount of crit to make anticipation worthwhile yes?
calm grail
A week or so ago people were talking about vigor versus anticipation
grim jay
and anti isnt for not wasting cp due to crits
calm grail
🤔
grim jay
its for pooling cp for stuff
for example for tb
or to handle kb better
or vanish with shoulders
calm grail
And not wasting resources.
calm grail
🤔
pure forum
alright, picking up rogue for the first time, lets see how this goes
pure forum
right, heres a question thats always come up for me with rogue
I have 5 combo points and low energy. rupture isnt in pandemic range yet, but will be in the next 5~8 seconds, so not enough time to spend and then rebuild 5 combo points
what do?
pure forum
what if my crit isnt high enough yet
vocal roost
hello my bois
crystal fox
not the end of the world if 3-4p the next rupture
but you do realise pandemic range on rupture is 1-8 seconds left, so that plus 5-8 is alot
should definetly have time to get 5p again
grim jay
dont even need to use rupture if you got 5 cp and arent close to caping energy aswell
pure forum
Right, so sin then at a basic level is keeping up my bleeds, toxic blade and kingsbane whenever possible, and mutilate envenom to build and spend points when rupture doesnt need to be refreshed?
or am i wrong
crystal fox
just refresh rupture with 1-8 seconds remaining
vocal roost
unless its a vanished rupture, right?
crystal fox
when it comes to leveling and questing,always restealth between mobs
garrote,one mut, rupture, then mut and envenom till target is dead
vocal roost
Im having troubles at aoe right now as assa
poison bomb proc = Im topping, else im worthless
grim jay
you basically have no aoe unless pb procs
vocal roost
:<
crystal fox
rupture on 3 targets, rotate envenom to keep buff up, fok
vocal roost
should I just do other spec for m+?
vocal roost
hm
grim jay
big aoe.. that must be the biggest pull in history
vocal roost
It just feels strange for me, coming from a frost dk button mashing perspective :^)
drifting crypt
in aoe you have energy overflow and are gcd locked
unless you do something wrong
or its just 2-3 small mobs
crystal fox
yeah lower keys you cant do that much on aoe as assassin unless you carry 2x aoe trinkets
shrewd oriole
@vocal roost yeah sub is a lot better than assa, you’re better off playing it in dungeons
The aoe is more on demand
And being able to burst a single target is very userulc
People saying assa is fine or good in dungeons are wrong lmao
crystal fox
how so tom
just because we are not best at aoe and st at the same time?
i do decent on trash and i top bosses all the time
drifting crypt
if you are talking about low keys, then yes, sub is probably better because of the huge frontloaded dmg. but in relevant keys where mobs dont explode in 5s assa is really strong
shrewd oriole
The lack of on demand aoe makes assa a trash spec
shrewd oriole
On what, 10 targets? Lmao
crystal fox
there's aoe trinkets and other stuff if you really want on demand aoe
shrewd oriole
Glaives blows with assa
signal oxide
Oh a trash pack
shrewd oriole
What else are you gonna use
Mines?
Please
There’s a reason me and every other rogue doing high keys plays sub
signal oxide
I prefer assassin. But just me
crystal fox
just because sub is the best option doesnt mean the others are bad
shrewd oriole
You can prefer whatever you want but if someone asks “what’s the best spec” it’s factually incorrect to say assa
drifting crypt
hm...
supple hearth
the official answer is: there is no best spec
signal oxide
That’s not really true though
drifting crypt
your argumentation is pretty surreal
shrewd oriole
????
grim jay
that sin is the best spec is as wrong as you stating "every" other rogue that does high m+ is sub
:°)
shrewd oriole
Show me an assa rogue
signal oxide
Assassin can out perform sub in aoe given its fortified week
shrewd oriole
That does 25’s
grim jay
there is one being on average 1 level below the best sub rogue
supple hearth
@shrewd oriole there are sin rogues doing 25+ btw :p
i linked one like a week or 2 ago
grim jay
elitist sub rogues coming thorugh ♿
drifting crypt
#8 Rogue/#1 Assa during 7.3.0.```That’s simply not true I’ve played with him LOL
drifting crypt
doesnt look like he is playing sub
grim jay
just bcs you played with him doesnt mean he isnt sin on his high keys
shrewd oriole
Maybe I exaggerated: sin isn’t bad but sub is def better
grim jay
on his top ranks he can still exclusively be sin 🤷
rich gale
who wins this conversation
signal oxide
And the sub that is now rank 1 has insane gear
vocal roost
i'll end it up here
shrewd oriole
@signal oxide assa is better than sub on ahc
signal oxide
Why not?
supple hearth
Looks like someone who probably doesnt main rogue came in...asked about spec and m+ and people starting spouting off opinions that arent relevant to the original question lol
shrewd oriole
Because the fight lasts like 5 minutes
signal oxide
It’s low hp mobs that die quick
shrewd oriole
The fight lasts 5 minutes
It’s not a realistic assessment of a specs dps in dungeons
drifting crypt
how long does a +26 trashpack last?
shrewd oriole
A big part of subs strength is shoulders which are far worse a long encounter versus short burst pulls, for example
drifting crypt
10s?
signal oxide
I was just comparing trash dps to the add dps. If assassin is bad at trash dps why is it good on low hp add dps on a boss fight
shrewd oriole
Depends on the trash, what are we talking about?
First pull on maw?
First pull on hov?
Are we kiting?
@signal oxide because the fight lasts long fucks sake
I said that 3 times
Poison bomb procs average out, sub’s burst is weaker in long duration fights
Many things
signal oxide
I guess you don’t understand me. I’ll leave it at that
drifting crypt
i feel like this conversation has no sense, and it probably should have ended 10min ago
shrewd oriole
Lmao
solar fog
these are the quality convos i come for 🍿 👏🏼
supple hearth
all 3 specs are totally viable in high level m+. The fact that sub is the most popular of the three specs is irrelevant. Nobody coming in here asking for spec suggestions is pushing 25+ lets be honest.... not sure why we need to have a debate over which spec is better in which scenario at 25+ because that level m+ has nothing to do with 99% of us here lol
shrewd oriole
You’re the one not understanding the difference between ahc and a dungeon pull
signal oxide
Idc about pb procs
signal oxide
PK and DP are neigh to sustain aoe cleave
drifting crypt
it somehow seems only 1 person here is trying to continue the convo 🤔
shrewd oriole
@supple hearth I mean cuz what’s the point of talking about anything below 20’s
signal oxide
PB just changes t from 3mil to 5-6m
shrewd oriole
You can run shadow priest at that point
supple hearth
@shrewd oriole because people who dont main rogue are coming in asking for spec suggestions and you're trying to give them advise on which spec is best for 20+????
these people are barely pushing 15s if they need to ask which spec is best
shrewd oriole
I guess dunno at 15’s just play whatever you like no need to ask really
In my head f someone asks they want to push
supple hearth
which is why this debate is irrelevant
shrewd oriole
I guess, you’re right
dim gale
what's the best rogue spec for +5?
supple hearth
of course im right x)
gaunt moat
That's what i always tell people that ask that question.
if they ask such a question, you can be pretty sure they're not doing anything difficult
just play whatever you want
and sin i fine
dim gale
thanks!
vocal roost
unless they want to end up doing so
shrewd oriole
😦 @supple hearth you’ve won no need to crush me
shrewd oriole
Xoxo
vocal roost
and not gearing the "wrong" spec
shrewd oriole
Kek
drifting crypt
playing outlaw 🤢
supple hearth
if youre at the point where youre doing 25+ then youre at the point you can play all 3 competitively
shrewd oriole
The gear is similar enough tbh cruck
vocal roost
idk Im playing rogue for 2 days now :^)
crystal fox
Haste did nothing wrong 🤷
shrewd oriole
Haven’t played it at all this expac don’t think I could raid mythic at outlaw rn
I played it in week 1 of legion and that was it ahah
supple hearth
If youre playing 25+ level keys then youre a good player and you min-max and youre going to play the optimal everything for each situation. Youre not going to sit in 1 spec with 1 gear set. Youre going to have different gear sets for different situations and be versatile enough to play a different spec if necessary
vocal roost
Feels bad man when my lock mate plays lock
vocal roost
tbh
im playing a frost dk and im fine with 3 buttons
but apparently affli isnt even spamming its buttons that much
shrewd oriole
Dunno I like affli but I don’t mind simple specs / low apm
I feel like a NH fury warrior would fall asleep playing affli
vocal roost
Im currently gearing a rogue and a ww
crystal fox
being spriest trying affli i wanted to kms
solar fog
is warlock affli really that braindead?
grim jay
actually
vocal roost
dot dot dot drain
vocal roost
I mean dk is fun because you actually spam shit every global
shiny thing = you smash
and shit is shiny a lot.
grim jay
you could prepare a affl if you feel like you need to play with one hand soon
shrewd oriole
I played a spriest in a dungeon on e
solar fog
well then if it's like this most of them will be in a coma by BfA lol
shrewd oriole
I wanted to kms
shrewd oriole
Seeing that insanity go down between pulls haHAA
??? They are giving us a lot of abilities back
strange python
Hi guys. Need tips for Mythic Varimathras. 1)Do you pool and keep your CP waiting to envenom the shadow (RL curses me for not switching, despite the adds going down in 1s) 2)We use a 2 rogues rotation to soak the marked prey. I've read somewhere that even hadowstep does NOT prevent alone in the darkness, and adds could spawn at range because of this.
shrewd oriole
I think MM is the only spec I’ve tried on the alpha that loses abilities
vocal roost
idk tom, some specs are just losing spells and procs
shrewd oriole
What did dk lose?
vocal roost
sindragosa
grim jay
MM is losing abilities? what can they still lose? lol
shrewd oriole
Frost and UH changed so little
vocal roost
:^)
shrewd oriole
@grim jay they are changing the flow of the spec
It has steady shot again
Better mobility
vocal roost
eh i was thinking survival
vocal roost
which is good tbh cause survival rotation is a meme
shrewd oriole
So I hope they change it
vocal roost
but its lacking a couple of things to track already
grim jay
I wouldnt mind if aimed shot would be instant like with the old hfc tier and you need to "cast" the generators
tho
vocal roost
and caltrops
drifting crypt
@strange python yes, pool cp for the add since it is the only thing that can wipe you. if you use shadowstep fast enough and dont wait 5s you wont spawn an "Alone in the darkness" add (the one from the initial hit always spawns)
vocal roost
wait wut
vocal roost
its hard for it to feel worse than current
shrewd oriole
It feels better than wod hunter as well imo
shrewd oriole
So
drifting crypt
@strange python and you can practically do the marked prey alone, with a backup rogue in case you get the plague
shrewd oriole
I’m happy where they are taking it next expac
shrewd oriole
@strange python just go full bitch
vocal roost
cause Im scared to test the spec just due to that
shrewd oriole
Go sub spec MFD
Save a dance and 6 cpsn
Use dance evis mfd evis
You’ll do shit dps but you’ll top adds that’s for sure
shrewd oriole
Cruck
grim jay
MM -> arcano + sisters trinket
vocal roost
n i c e
vocal roost
so you just die to non elite mobs?
grim jay
they should just revert outlaw back to combat
shrewd oriole
You’re just sitting there waiting for energy
Wait lemme give you a taste of the outlaw ROTATO for legion
jovial kite
combay 🤤
vocal roost
I mean it only has 3 buttons
jovial kite
insight system 🤤
vocal roost
what can you offer
vocal roost
Im not against simple shit
shrewd oriole
Leaked bfa outlaw api
jovial kite
old combat had more depth to it than current outlaw
vocal roost
why not
jovial kite
its a good change imo
supple hearth
im assuming playing without the neckpieces in bfa is the same as playing without artifact weapons....its probably not going to feel that great until youre 120 and have the artifact neck 😉
shrewd oriole
45s cd or some shit?
vocal roost
still bad energy regen while using it'
vocal roost
then idk
jovial kite
and you dont need to leak anything if you can just hop in alpha lol
shrewd oriole
No charges for next pack
vocal roost
looks like they are trying to avoid stupid shit happening on bfa
with retarded aoe and such
grim jay
@supple hearth does it ever feel great till max level? 🤔
shrewd oriole
Feels good saber slashing on aoe 😃
vocal roost
also I'd like to play an expansion where numbers dont go to shit from first tier to second
supple hearth
@grim jay no thats why im not expecting rogue to feel smooth in alpha/beta or even at live until we're max lol
its not supposed to be the same
shrewd oriole
I made a clip in case you want to annoy some friends https://clips.twitch.tv/ConfidentLittleAxeEagleEye
jovial kite
w.i.p
shrewd oriole
Watch that
jovial kite
so dont take it at a face value
grim jay
im still not quite sure how much impact the necklace will actually have
shrewd oriole
And you’ll get what I mean about the current outlaw on alpha
unique saffron
Guys, important question for Assins - You ever noiticed shoulders not working properly on openers?? (Mutilate gave me 3cp on about 5-10% of my openers) (haven't checked logs, just the default wow cp bar)
vocal roost
lmao
solar fog
you'll get less cp if parried
vocal roost
im still in time to main ww 🤔
vocal roost
I like how assa is right now
shrewd oriole
Even in dungeons
I don’t agree with Giggle
Most specs feel good on alpha
Assa feels nice
solar fog
dat dispatch
jovial kite
nice link
grim jay
did you see the news about the scaling of weapons getting "smoothed out" in bfa ?
jovial kite
crashed my disord 
shrewd oriole
😦 sorry
grim jay
so the benefit of a high weapon gets closer
shrewd oriole
Watch it tho it’s bis clip ahaha
vocal roost
you what
unique saffron
Can they block / parry from behind? i Know they can't dodge from behind
vocal roost
they shouldnt be able to
grim jay
@shrewd oriole
shrewd oriole
Assa pb feels sooooo good on alpha
jovial kite
all of alpha is broken
shrewd oriole
Yeah I saw it
jovial kite
its alpha
vocal roost
are you playing alpha?
shrewd oriole
Yeah
shrewd oriole
It’s my gf’s account don’t tell the blizzard police
grim jay
- this was hinted a couple times but in the latest build it looks like weapon damage is being butchered across the board. We can expect something like blizzard making weapons have a large amount of primary stats like they did for casters instead or something. in the meantime, this will remove one of the big discrepancies in who benefits from what for BFA. *
shrewd oriole
The gear you get from the dungeons is quite good
vocal roost
fuck weapons to deal dmg tbh
pure forum
so, i need to make sure i got this right or my brain isnt going to work right when im doing my rotation
So!
shrewd oriole
You’re at like 190 or something when you spawn and dungeons drop 235
vocal roost
so its kinda going to be legion again
start low and get out of hand in a couple patches of content
pure forum
Sin comes down to keeping garrote and rupture up, using kingsbane and toxic blade on c d when it wont over cap cbs, and using mutilate and envenom to build and spend cbs when nothing needs to be refreshed
Yes?
basically?
grim jay
dunno where you see a "out of hand" in here
nova snow
grim jay
im quite fine with how it is
vocal roost
damage is fucked right now imo
pure forum
can i get some verification herE? Do I have it basically right?
grim jay
not appreciating big numbers -> downloading addon -> having everything cut by three 0's
shrewd oriole
That video
shrewd oriole
Is literally just reading out
shrewd oriole
The wowhead post
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
jovial kite
id be down for some vanilla - tbc squish
shrewd oriole
What a waste of a post lmao
vocal roost
that's youtube content rn
pure forum
yes, in know, i've red it. I'm just making sure if what im thinking here is true or not.
supple hearth
if what youre thinking is what the guide says then yes
vocal roost
its pretty much that, sofia
pure forum
"Sin comes down to keeping garrote and rupture up, using kingsbane and toxic blade on c d when it wont over cap cbs, and using mutilate and envenom to build and spend cbs when nothing needs to be refreshed"
is what im thinking
shrewd oriole
[BIG CHANGE FOR ASSA] [NOT CLICKBAIT] [TOTALLY OP?!!] [ALPHA INFO] BLIZZARD DONT NERF THIS!
There that’s a handcrafted YouTube video title
vocal roost
thing is, they wrote a guide to avoid answering the generic stuff on a daily basis
[MY SISTER ALMOST DIED LMAO] would fit too
shrewd oriole
My sister was bleeding out so I gave her timewarp and now she bleeds out faster
😂😂😂😂😂😂
jovial kite
beating on a dead horse here imo :l
shrewd oriole
Oh no, if haste is good we are gonna care about blood lust 😭
pure forum
I know. But I can read guides all day long, i still need to make sure im doing it right, and a guide isnt going to give me a definitive yes or no
vocal roost
[EVEN LOGAN PAUL FINDS THIS DMG GROSS]
gaunt moat
Amazing stats change!!!!! (mastery is now improved versatility)
shrewd oriole
Wow!!!
jovial kite
(VERSA SHIT STAT CONFIRMED)
shrewd oriole
I like versa
vocal roost
I dont hate it, but I kinda miss hit as a stat
pure forum
God no.
shrewd oriole
Yeah hit was so fun : )
pure forum
hit can burn in hell
vocal roost
idk its a way to keep damage on the less stupid side.
pure forum
Hit and reforging can both burn in hell right next to one another
solar fog
reforging for hit cap monkaS
pure forum
see, titan forging doesnt bother me.
Mostly because i don't get a huge MINE boner at good loot.
shrewd oriole
Dude imagine if troll is the bis rogue class now
vocal roost
fuck me im a goblin
pure forum
they can warforge, but they cant titanforge.
shrewd oriole
vocal roost
still a random upgrade that you dont deserve
haughty harness
Still horde
vocal roost
you, me, everyone
pure forum
blood elf master race.
vocal roost
all my chars are troll
slate tulip
hello , does any one know addon who could track multi rupture ?
vocal roost
but tauren monk and goblin rogue
haughty harness
Now imagine a poor unlucky fellow that just can't get a warforged wep
vocal roost
enough to matter
haughty harness
That's what blizz think they solved by nerfing wep dmg
pure forum
Warforged weapons will be 5% or less of a damage change.
I guarentee you it does not matter
vocal roost
hopefully