Though it's good that they changed Venom Rush because Haste being good and having old Venom Rush leads to balance issues.
#assassination
civic palm
exotic glen
mastery was garbage for ret last tier
maybe not garbage, but certainly not equal to other stats
civic palm
Yeah and stat balancing was bad with the stats that were good and not even all of them.
Imagine just everything being about as good as everything else.
No thanks.
dire remnant
why do i get rup up b4 vvulnerabilities are active mizerok?
gaunt moat
Because having four good stats makes everything bad.
No, it just means we can scale better with more gear options
civic palm
M+ still exists and targeted farming is still a thing now.
exotic glen
i've been trying to wrap my head around that statement for some time now
dire remnant
once i do that do i run around rupturing everything or just tunnel nature add?
civic palm
To be honest I do not know if you should rupture literally everything, but at least the physical add will take more damage from your Rupture before you setup for the PSN add.
I do not think that you have that time.
vernal adder
m+ ye just run it 9000 times and get lucky tf
civic palm
Not even TF luck.
Though you might need it considering every stat is good for you now.
Can't even get unlucky but crit/mastery so w/e.
vernal adder
atleast weekly chests will be good then when every stat is good
havent got shit in 5weeks
vernal adder
and I got the antorus cache today, the argus neck. 985, worse than my 940
civic palm
No primary stat so that's gonna happen.
vernal adder
no fuck 980
civic palm
Doesn't matter what that number is when the stats are bad and there's no primary stat to pad the weighting to make it an upgrade.
grim canopy
damn i just got prydaz
exotic glen
at least it wasnt sephuz
civic palm
Very very true.
grim canopy
can asassin do good aoe withotu shoulders?
civic palm
Though I mean, haste is gonna be good so hold onto it for leveling anywaaaay?
Shoulders only account for a small amount of what should be an extended AoE encounter.
vernal adder
isnt the artifact a neck
vernal adder
im used to it
grim canopy
i see ever rogue just uses shoulders always
civic palm
Prydaz is fucking good now though for WQ/etc. due to the bubble causing you to not get dazed > _>
vernal adder
or just get the LW thing
dry zodiac
vernal adder
valeera sephuz
civic palm
ha
exotic glen
valeera sephuz
vernal adder
I just run mantle+brazzers for everything
grim jay
brazzers 🤔
civic palm
Also should note that we're not getting locked into shit stats due to the tier removal, so everything being good is even lamer.
grim canopy
i think ill just pick this rogue up again for bfa, i got like 5 so far all really bad
dusty quest
What's the best approach to Coven? Keep dots on both?
vernal adder
get ranged
dusty quest
What about hounds?
grim jay
too far away
dusty quest
For coven, I use fan as generator?
exotic glen
mut
grim jay
thought the fokkening is over?
civic palm
Fan does crap damage so it's all about the CP generation, and without a ton of crit FoK generates crap CP.
exotic glen
it is, which is why i told him to use mut
valid plank
don't be rup both hounds?
exotic glen
dont actively go for it, since they are too far apart
if you have to switch dog or something, refresh dots tho
vernal adder
just kill the boss, ez
valid plank
if i have sprint and step off cd i can do it easily
quartz depot
question is if it's worth it
slate rock
!relics
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List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
muted badger
so whats the thought on everything being AP based rather than weapon damage
muted badger
makes weapon damage completely worthless though
if auto attacks are kept in the same pathetic state they are now
muted badger
not for warriors
turbid harbor
as long as you scale well enough with secondary stats it doesn't really matter that we barely scale from weapon damage
muted badger
they're changing everyone tho
civic palm
Weapons TFing is a problem, this solves that, it's all numbers at the end of the day anyway.
muted badger
they said weapons won't be able to titanforge
civic palm
As much, we know that the azerite armor cannot TF at all.
fervent beacon
only WF
muted badger
^
fervent beacon
so it won't be that bad tbh
muted badger
it just seems dumb to make weapon damage irrelevant for every class
civic palm
If it's easier to balance, that's all that matters.
muted badger
it brings back the relic problem, ooh got a shiny new weapon, oh wait nevermind it has garbage stats, i'll keep the previous tier thats 5-20 ilevels lower
civic palm
Hey don't worry, every stat is good for you in BfA, yay.
crystal fox
i do like no more tier sets
civic palm
Yerp
fervent beacon
me too
crystal fox
hate being left with 1/3p for ages
civic palm
Very interested in seeing where the AArmor bonuses go.
fervent beacon
I have a 960 gloves with best stats that i can't use because of tier
and my tier is at 945
muted badger
Im on the fence about tier, could be good could be bad
turbid harbor
how do we know mastery is going to be good for us in the expansion?
lone junco
Hasted bleeds default or hemo or something lame?
turbid harbor
when we don't know any of the values?
drifting crypt
what if haste is gonna be the best 🤔
muted badger
Bleeds and poisons
lone junco
Doesnt matter tbh.
civic palm
So Crit is not as good.
lone junco
Ye.
civic palm
So CP gen is bad.
urban storm
whee
regal cape
The chances of it not being worthwhile when they will affect both poison and bleed and have interaction with haste and vers is slim
civic palm
FEELS BAAAAAAAAD
urban storm
we haste boiz
turbid harbor
why does mastery have to be good?
they could halve the benefit of it now on live
and it would be bad
civic palm
Haste influences DoTs, Mastery influences bleeds and poisons.
regal cape
Except half the value and affecting bleed would net gain
turbid harbor
looking at synergies without knowing the base values is pointless
lone junco
Yay 3active stats.
urban storm
it also makes haste better the better mastery becomes
turbid harbor
7 months before release we can see yea
regal cape
Just being pesamistic and pedantic is also pointless
lone junco
Is Alacrity on the tree?
civic palm
Gone IIRC.
gilded lark
It's all feelycraft right now.
lone junco
I just want to get something out of lust.
gilded lark
Not even into beta yet. Shit will change
civic palm
VR, TB, EX now
turbid harbor
the assumption that mastery is going to be a good stat for us, only because it has been in the past, is stupid
zealous dew
100% haste build inc
lone junco
Will lol if we all bleed bois btw.
turbid harbor
it's not pedantic
regal cape
Except we aren't going off it has in the oast
muted badger
maybe they will make melee weapons have a larger than normal amount of base stats
like caster weapons do atm
gilded lark
Zolbar is right. I mean, look at current feral.
civic palm
@turbid harbor It's not about the past, it's about Haste mathematically making Mastery better due to synergy's, again, unless the ratio is awful.
gilded lark
Mast was a great stat for them until antorus
civic palm
Mastery could be fucking AWFUL.
gilded lark
Now its lower than haste
regal cape
Active interaction with all stats now improves mastery, even at lower values
regal cape
Mastery likely won't be as good sure
lone junco
Hasted dots are tick rate not shorter duration right?
valid plank
sorry to chime in but if anyone has a nice ui for sin rogue they don't mind sharing a pic of, just looking for some inspiration of my own
gilded lark
Yes
civic palm
Should be same duration.
gilded lark
Noobe go read the wowhead post lol
urban storm
so would that create "breakpoints" ?
gilded lark
Yes
civic palm
Yes.
lone junco
No. Too far out.
lone junco
Deal.
shrewd oriole
Oh you’re already talking about it
lone junco
Rip
gilded lark
Yes
civic palm
No
civic palm
Haste being a thing will continue into BFA release.
Stats will continue to be influenced due to math unless they break something.
gilded lark
Time to refine your rotation so it can get changed in prepatch
civic palm
Which I mean... could happen.
gilded lark
Bring back multistrike
lone junco
I like crit mechanics.
lone junco
And fuck forging.
civic palm
Yeah give us a third critical strike mechanic.
gilded lark
But if all stats are good for most classes
Then reforging can go away
And stay away
civic palm
ALL STATS BEING GOOD FOR MOST CLASSES IS BAD DESIGN
lone junco
Loot nightmare.
civic palm
Stop asking for it.
civic palm
Sure right.
shrewd oriole
I agree with not mizerok
shrewd oriole
Not every angle stat should be
gilded lark
Yes
valid plank
i think the gap between stats shouldn't be as huge as they are now but still having preferred stats is nice
tranquil birch
I think the problem people are pointing out is that literally every class benefits from their worst secondary stat far more than we do
gaunt moat
@civic palm i think you're way off with what you're claiming.
civic palm
I'd rather crit/mastery being good for PSN build and haste/vers/mas become good for BLD.
gilded lark
Gain dos
gaunt moat
more options = better design
civic palm
More options does not equate to better design at all times.
civic palm
It's good design for making sure that all gear is good for you, sure, but that's not a good design.
_> that came out weird
gilded lark
I just want to be able to equip that 970 titanforge instead of DEing it because my 940 is better
gaunt moat
when you get an item that's 10 ilvl higher, but diferent stats than what you had, but it's not a dps loss...
how can you claim that's bad?
gaunt moat
so you're saying they should dumb down the gearing?
civic palm
If nothing matters because everything is fine, then your class/spec has no definition.
gilded lark
Lol. I didn't say make all stats equal
gilded lark
There will still be breakpoints, caps, etc.
gaunt moat
how did you get to the conclusion "nothing matters"
civic palm
Because if all stats are near equal than they might as well not matter.
civic palm
There will be breakpoints for Haste, and then you dump stats into everything else until you can hit another breakpoint.
gaunt moat
we don't know if they're near equal. we only know they will give a substential benefit.
civic palm
UNLESS bleeds/poisons don't hit hard enough due to mastery not scaling well.
gaunt moat
you're jumping to conclusion and going off on a rant about it
civic palm
Breakpoints for haste will happen > _>
gilded lark
Nobody said they won't
civic palm
I hope we don't end up there, as well as I hope this change actually matters.
exotic glen
idk why you sound like you want to keep dead stats
gilded lark
I just want all stats to be worth something for most classes
civic palm
We've a dead stat now and things are great > _>
exotic glen
getting a single haste item this entire expac has been super aids
gilded lark
Instead of having dead stats
gilded lark
Yeah they're awesome. Rng based dps
civic palm
Stats have nothing to do with RNG in this case, but yeah RNG has been an issue.
PBomb is pretty dope on Alpha though > _>
valid plank
you'll still have 10ilvls be shit even with stat generalisation once breakpoints start kickin in tho right?
gilded lark
Possibly. But it won't be nearly as bad
And changing one piece could mean you could equip that 10 ilevel piece
gaunt moat
if your fear is gonna be "this item that dropped will be good for everyone"
i don't think that's gona be the case.
there's just gonna be mroe than one way to build your spec, and it will still priortize different stats.
gilded lark
Fuck i hate my phone keyboard
gaunt moat
for exmaple, bleed spec would want more haste
civic palm
haste/mastery/vers is things are well.
gaunt moat
comapred to poison
valid plank
but now every leather wearer will roll on same item if it's ilvl upgrade
gilded lark
Is that so bad
civic palm
Yep.
valid plank
yes
gilded lark
Notter and i on the same side. 
civic palm
I like interesting items.
I don't think when they are boring.
Boring being, it's an item level upgrade, therefor an upgrade.
gaunt moat
do you prefer it when loot drops and everyone passes?
gilded lark
You think? 
civic palm
and I also understand why we should have gotten rid of tier like a decade ago > _>
deep magnet
What is the average rate of legendaries for a daily player?
valid plank
haste effects both, and from look at the pictures in the post haste has a near equally shit effect on both poisons and bleeds
2week
gilded lark
7-9 days for a heroic raider
valid plank
depending on content
gilded lark
I average 8 days
civic palm
Like really doing it .
crystal fox
if you are doing everything you should about every 5-7 days
valid plank
2 resets not 14 days i mean
gaunt moat
not to mention, let's say "everyone will want all gear"
that would also mean you have a bigger pool of loot to compete from.
so in the end, it's not a problem.
crystal fox
there's people who's really pushing it who's getting legos every 4-5 days
valid plank
but item drops in raids stay the same al
civic palm
Minus the NLC/relic issues, that won't exist in BFA AFAIK.
valid plank
and as a leather wearer with 4 classes all competing for the same item it'll be a pain imo
civic palm
All that matters is that some stats are better than others, that's all. Don't fuck it up Blizz.
/shrug
valid plank
to a degree*
civic palm
Should be simple considering we don't have Artifact Weapons to fuck things up.
drifting crypt
@valid plank its already a pain, so nothing will change
civic palm
Unless the azerite bonuses are crazy > _>
gaunt moat
and to top it all...
we don't know what the artifact traits are gonna be like
and how will they affect gearing.
so, like... this conversation is pretty absurd
valid plank
i don't want 960 titanforges being a bank slot for my 930 crit mastery
yeh but it's a fun conversation none the less
civic palm
Yeah not pissy at anyone, just that bland stats are no fun.
Can't wait for interesting bonuses and not being locked to tier 👍 let's go.
alt+up/down arrow moves channels O _O
gaunt moat
well, the stats in wow ar bland either way.
civic palm
Eh, it's nice that Mastery is so obviously good.
gaunt moat
mastery? just x% more damage
versatility? just x% more damage
crit? just x% more damage
civic palm
Though maybe it's too far in that direction now.
gaunt moat
haste? might be slightly better now, but still kinda boring
civic palm
Crit is more than just more damage for us considering CP gen.
gilded lark
But what do those cp turn into
civic palm
The difference between 20% and 50% leads to a nice smoothness.
gilded lark
More dmg
civic palm
If you wanna be reductive, like I was about all stats might as well being AGI, then sure.
CP generate rate changes how you react to the buttons you pressed.
gaunt moat
the "intresting" part of stats
comes when you want to decide how to build your spec to maximize dps
civic palm
That's more than you can say for mastery, vers, or haste.
Also how stats influence your gameplay, that's interesting.
gaunt moat
and i don't think that aspect is going to be hurt. it's just going to allow for more options.
civic palm
old Fire Mage with low crit does not feel good, and while more Crit is obviously a DPS upgrade, it changes how the spec feels to play.
gilded lark
I mean
gilded lark
Not really. You just pyro more
gilded lark
civic palm
Tru
It's nice when the breakpoints for changes in gameplay make things more fun.
More fun than just getting another tick of Bleed or Heal with your spell.
dire spoke
ty mission chest 
https://snag.gy/ZACjqd.jpg
zealous dew
RIP
civic palm
Hey just... keep it for... BfA? haHaaaaaaaaaa
gilded lark
Give that to my dk
civic palm
:3
alpine dawn
can someone please help me understand why I sim higher with crown than i do with boots?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jsQRFXCHPiVqX72RMEbfEh
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6ihrRDdZ4DxgbnJSSAQn7o
drifting crypt
it does decent dmg in aoe
dire spoke
@civic palm 👺
dusty quest
How does one pull 3 million on High Command?
civic palm
Luck
drifting crypt
fok alot
civic palm
Bugs
gilded lark
Pb jesus
dusty quest
Just keep bleeds on one target I assume?
civic palm
3, depends on your tanks.
civic palm
our Potato tank likes to drag the adds around with him when he clears mines.
So fuck melee I guess.
drifting crypt
your adds dont instantly explode?
alpine dawn
Please? anyone know why? my world got turned upside down when i simmed this. Icy Veins have lied to me
dusty quest
Most of our adds don't live long enough for bleeds
gilded lark
Icy lies to everyone.
civic palm
@drifting crypt We have a potato tank, with a potato RL, and potato ranged.
civic palm
So while the Pyro implodes, everything else kinda fucks about.
gilded lark
Yeah the only well kept IV pages are the hunter ones
Because the hunter TCs control it
civic palm
What!? Not every DPS guide is written by FURTY?!
gilded lark
I could write better guides for half the specs
civic palm
So is it just me or does every page of those guides reintroduce the author?
lusty narwhal
valid plank
does anyone mind sharing a pic of their ui setup, looking for inspiration?
civic palm
inb4 someone links the literal default UI
fiery cradle
default ui meta
civic palm
I am using the BFA action bars UI.
dawn kettle
fiery cradle
loud
zealous dew
thrice actually
civic palm
Redundant tracking.
zealous dew
damage output 😦
civic palm
Doesn't look like this anymore, but w/e.
fiery cradle
my ui sux
zealous dew
better
civic palm
That window is obviously not there.
fiery cradle
zealous dew
missing TTD and %
civic palm
nice link HAHA
fiery cradle
you think i dont kill myself on boss fights in lfr
civic palm
HP% is on health bars.
zealous dew
ttd ?
civic palm
and health bars are tethered to not leave screen.
drifting crypt
time to die
civic palm
no TTD is true
zealous dew
blasphemy!
civic palm
Was looking for good WA's for it but busted on that a while ago and just learned to learn.
civic palm
👏
echo cargo
civic palm
Burning Steppes maybe
frosty linden
Whats the desired % uptime for envenom on a fight, for example, like garothi
crystal fox
you couldnt think of a more cancerous name?`
crystal fox
np,always here to help
fiery cradle
yes
zealous dew
priest healer in M+ 😄
frosty linden
<< there happy? But can i recieve an answer from someone im genuinly wondering
drifting crypt
you could go to warcraftlogs.com and see for yourself
¯_(ツ)_/¯
70-80% is normal i guess
civic palm
Should be Less Thicc Then Before, just to trigger people.
civic palm
Yeah somewhere around 80
civic palm
ehhh, 70 seems fine
prime void
Mizerok, was reading your feelings on how stat weights will be next expansion. Can't decide which i'd prefer- everything being decent or having true bis stats
Do you spam envebom less thicc?
civic palm
Yeah I'd like to have everything matter, but all stats being decent is dull, I do not think that will be end up there.
prime void
Or are you waiting to pandemic it
indigo ginkgo
isnt poison damge consider magical damage ? for the increse with the neew races ?
civic palm
70-80% is good for ENV.
drifting crypt
just looking at the top 5 logs on garothi mythic, none of them has >80% envenom uptime
civic palm
Yeah lots are around 75 from those that I saw.
crystal fox
mythic has alot more movement where you can drop envenom
civic palm
Except for this fucker with 85%
Short fight =\
Also yeah, fight length is going to matter.
frosty linden
I found myself spamming it without thinking, as i have no envenom tracker on my UI (my brain cant work fast enough to look to my buffs), so i tried keeping track of it and slowing my rotation of mut > env and i couldnt tell if it was more benificial or not and this is why i came here to ask
Whats the pandemic time on env?
drifting crypt
30% is pandemic
frosty linden
30% of how long you started with? So if you did it with 5cp it's 30% of the 6 seconds and if you did it with 4cp 30% of the 5 seconds?
drifting crypt
no, 30% of how many cp your next env is
just like your bleeds
IMO, as a general rule, you can clip it below 1s
frosty linden
Deary me it seems i have been gravely mistaken on how pandemic works. I thought the standard pandemic for bleeds was 7.2s but is it all relative to your cp?
civic palm
30% of the previous timer is applied to the max duration of the refreshed ability.
7.2s for 5CP Rupture, 6.4s for 4CP Rupture.
So, 7 seconds.
Honestly.
frosty linden
That would make the garotte pandemic 5.4?
civic palm
Garrote duration is 18 seconds.
vapid moth
i average out at 60. would that be cause i only have 23% crit?
exotic glen
off the top of my head, 5.4 is right
civic palm
Crit and fight duration will influence ENV uptime for sure.
lone junco
Ok. I was under the assumption the 30% is calc from the new application. Not the previous.
civic palm
So the tracking I have for DoTs will change if the previous application was 5CP or 4CP.
This tracking was done by Stjern a while ago so I trust it.
and I had to google it to make sure and it seems I am right buuuut at the same time some people are vague.
civic palm
AFAIK you refresh DoTs depending on their remaining duration, and that base duration is found from the CP we used to cast the DoT.
That's where the 7.2 and 6.4 seconds come from.
exotic glen
ur a god mizuxe
dire spoke
my WA is set to 7s
exotic glen
that pb dmg lul
prime void
really not stupidly high
exotic glen
god lucker
exotic glen
oh didnt see that
civic palm
Averages are fine, you are losing damage but not enough to matter.
exotic glen
ur not god
prime void
the garothi is god pb i think
civic palm
.2 seconds from 5CP Rupture is whatever, .6 seconds from 4CP is also... whatever.
prime void
Yeah this log is fucking great
lmfao
First time ever playing sin
and this was the log lol
dire spoke
ye cba with that shit while dodging every mechanic
exotic glen
🤔
frosty linden
spicy poison bomb procs
civic palm
7 seconds, ezpz
Also...
refreshing early so you don't get fucked by timing during burst cycles, you technically lose damage from the DoTs but not from the blowing up of the thing you are hitting.
dire spoke
yeah I often find myself needing to refresh at like 11s to prep KB
and then I'm like eeeeehh what am I doing wrong
vapid moth
ideally rupture should be refreshed minimally right?
civic palm
Yeah.
civic palm
I will say that if you have 10 second left going into KB, you can refresh after the last ENV needed to keep the buff up for the KB ticks.
Probably with that is that you are usually stacking things with KB, Tb for the last 9 seconds means ENV spam is better.
dire spoke
oh my god
civic palm
TB before KB and you can safely refresh RUP during KB so long ENV stays up.
dire spoke
env proccs from rup right
civic palm
Both would be great. ENV to assist KB in stacking from Deadly Poison applications.
dire spoke
I think I mixed up my WA
civic palm
SoT for raw damage.
dire spoke
fml
civic palm
If you can clip ENV @ 2 seconds you will keep SoT up for the duration of KB.
dawn kettle
tbh, im just too lazy to turn off the aura bars from elvui @zealous dew
civic palm
I don't track SoT at all considering you can just know how long you have on it due to your ENV timer.
Well...
during the times that matter anyway.
dire spoke
I track SoT since you can't track env from rupture
civic palm
When would that matter? The SoT timer anyway.
dire spoke
give me a second ...
quick ice
During KB it's nice to know, otherwise not that helpful
civic palm
During KB you should not be refreshing RUP.
if you are then you are probably clipping SoT anyway and will need to cast ENV ASAP.
Otherwise you lose ENV uptime and therefor KB damage.
dire spoke
so when we rup we loose the env clipping anyway
civic palm
Yeah.
civic palm
👍
dire spoke
so now sin is actually all 'fuck it'
lone junco
@civic palm really fucks up my opener. Garrote rupture ven mut mut vanish rupture.
Exang
civic palm
I imagine pandemic timers don't REALLY matter all too much in the opener so long it's not colliding with something somewhere else down the line.
lone junco
I was aware that pandemic max was based on 2nd application.
civic palm
1CP rupture is still how much duration though?
8 second
so you are getting at most 2 seconds out of it.
civic palm
Gotta get that 5CP
civic palm
Will check real quick.
Yeah
1cp rupture into 5cp rupture is 28 seconds
and 5cp into 5cp is ~31 seconds
civic palm
Yeah you cucked yourself there bud
civic palm
5CP is 6 seconds, SoT max duration is 5 secnds.
dire spoke
ah that
tranquil birch
Anyway people have already shown here that SoT doesn't buff kb anyway sooo
civic palm
Elaborate Planning is also 5 secnods.
tranquil birch
just keep env up
dire spoke
I mostly finish with 4 so I didn't did anything wrong
tranquil birch
you just need more dp applications + tb to buff kb
civic palm
Who showed you that?
Cuz it's on the whitelist.
Even if it's AMR the chances of that being wrong are low.
tranquil birch
hmm
tranquil birch
I don't know what to think anymore, people brought up the SoT tooltip I think and kb wasn't on the list of effected spells
civic palm
SoT used to buff Agonizing Poison, which buffed Envenom.
tranquil birch
anyway you can just clip env
civic palm
Yeah.
If you have the energy and TB up during KB, spamming ENV is 👌
You can get 3ENV during TB if you have like 40% crit and 3BB
gilded lark
civic palm
That's a screenshot. Source?
gilded lark
Wowhead.
tranquil birch
yea that one
civic palm
Yeah gimme the URL.
civic palm
I did, and got the AMR whitelist.
gray citrus
yo quick Q rogue homies. is using the crit mastery pants and completing 4 set with gloves instead of pants better?
gilded lark
Yeah because AMR is known for reliability
tranquil birch
I think we just figured out why amr's rogue sims are so wonky
gray citrus
the ones from agg
gilded lark
Aethys himself has confirmed it lol
civic palm
Good.
gilded lark
For gear questions, sim yourself.
civic palm
But can I get that link? You JUST screenied it.
civic palm
Thanks.
tranquil birch
@gray citrus sim the pieces you have if you're not sure and have an awesome pair of off piece pants or something
civic palm
and where on that page is that list?
gilded lark
Why would i give bad information. Fuck outta here
Scroll down?? Lmao
Use your eyes?
tranquil birch
we've know this for a long time anyway. Kb is nature dmg not poison dmg which is why bracers also don't buff it
civic palm
Fucking lower somewhere?
tranquil birch
but tb does because it buffs all our nature dmg
tacit ferry
theres an arrow that says See more
civic palm
I can't get below the fucking page.
tacit ferry
on effect
tranquil birch
It's under the effect section
gilded lark
I got it from mobile, mine looks different
civic palm
Reason I asked > _>
gilded lark
But on mobile its under "spell effects"
civic palm
interesting
gilded lark
🎸
civic palm
Like I am fucking retarded or something.
gilded lark
Yes
kind rose
does any1 have the spreadsheet with the relics and where they drop?
tranquil birch
so the thing he linked, click the link inside the box under the word wowhead
not the url link
gilded lark
civic palm
There it be
gilded lark
This is where it is on phone
civic palm
That is dumb.
gilded lark
Gyazo in 2018
spare cloud
the hate though
civic palm
Nope figured it out
The URL's ARE different.
spell=192425 vs. spell=192424
I love this though, NPC Abilities.
That's from the correct page.
Anyway, 👍
tranquil birch
tldr, clip env not surge of toxins lol
tacit ferry
ones listed an npc ability the other is listed as an artifact trait
civic palm
Suppose our weapon is an artifact, so it's an NPC?
civic palm
Yep.
tranquil birch
😩
tacit ferry
so weird
civic palm
If I google, surge of toxins whitelist, the wrong wowhead link is the first option for me.
lone junco
Well poop. I'll still be able to garrote mut rupture prior. But not going to swipe more than once.
civic palm
=\
lone junco
Bota is only 10sec. So at 14 or 16, both are not that far apart.
lone junco
Just lose 2ticks of ns vs 1sec of non ns
civic palm
EX will be neato with Haste in BfA 👍
civic palm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lone junco
Now it is 2sec ticks vs 1sec
lone junco
I don't mind sub cd meta. Just over the dfa.
civic palm
Completely.
lone junco
I would prefer tbKb alignment
civic palm
Yep.
lone junco
I ran ep anti tb on argus. Was really cool. Had 10cp for the tb
civic palm
Does Dispatch cost NRG during execute? Never played with it earlier.
lone junco
Dunno. I was pvp only.
strange summit
civic palm
Yeah.
dark crag
bleeds and poison will scale with haste
civic palm
uhhuh
lone junco
And wind fury totem will be nice too
dark crag
what about nightblade?
civic palm
Not a bleed or poison.
dark crag
noone would use it if it hasn't the +15% dmg mod
civic palm
I am actually kinda shocked that the tooltips for the DoTs work on Alpha.
lone junco
Well. I have enough random ass gear to make the prepatch fun.
civic palm
Your best bet for finding out about Nightblade is finding a rogue that is streaming Alpha and ask nicely.
dark crag
i think it is still in
strange python
ye, it is
latest spell changes
if they change the damage, i guess its still in 😄
tranquil birch
you guys see the 8.0 haste changes?
lone junco
Can you post sin image. My phone is too slow for links
civic palm
🌆
manic vigil
crystal fox
🤷
crystal fox
i did over 2mill dps on garothi normal today, yay
dire spoke
@manic vigil 👻
subtle willow
https://youtu.be/Wev005ac9DI?t=98 dank rogue pov during execute, and those heals GET FUCKED
manic vigil
I can't do 2mil dps 
dire spoke
git gud
manic vigil
best I could do was vari with 1.979 with 14% pbomb 
prime void
whats your sim ?
manic vigil
I sim for sub 1.9
prime void
Like are you playing like shit, or your gear is just bad
I sim for sub ?
ohhh
unde 1.9
tacit ferry
for M+ is terrorbound nexus or forgefiend's fabricator better
past elbow
is the tip on High Command Mythic of "Keep spamming FoK the whole fights, and try to make it hit the bats as well." still valid?
prime void
Illya
tacit ferry
i wonder
prime void
I will poop on u.
manic vigil
yeah 1.87 I think
prime void
also fucking kill me with this argus prog mate
manic vigil
953ish ilvl
prime void
You wanan see some autism, should tune in one night- it's pure autismo
prime void
I HATE our strat.
manic vigil
EZ
prime void
I mean just put his health to 0 and keep yours above 0 right ?
manic vigil
civic palm
14%PB can't hit 2M > _>
fast nacelle
i pulled 2.6m with 10% pb
manic vigil
crystal fox
no one logged todays run 😦
crystal fox
pff
manic vigil
fast nacelle
u mad?
prime void
EoC ilvl ?
prime void
OOF
fast nacelle
i posted in discord like: LOL why not on rogue
manic vigil
you guys are such elitists
manic vigil
fast nacelle
i did legit 50 upper runs since dec
prime void
Yet no shadow-siinged, like hello ?
prime void
I feel like I should run memento for our argus
Sicne everyone in my guild is always dead.
fast nacelle
however i got 2x 970 boots from felhounds heroic
1x with speed.. one time without
lol
both times HC
wise frigate
970 😢
manic vigil
turbid harbor
pug is the only place to get kingaroth logs
fast nacelle
@turbid harbor yes
turbid harbor
unless you get your guild to let you solo an ad 😄
tranquil birch
slice and dice no less
dire spoke
hold cooldowns for add? 🤔
manic vigil
we not playing the same game here bruh
manic vigil
I didn't even know outlul could deal damage at all (well in theory yes, but meh) ... but this 
dire spoke
I saw alpha otl at sloot yesterday
prime void
Yeah every week we let someone 100 parse eonar and then let someone solo an add
dire spoke
dire spoke
is it saved? I want to watch the eye cam part again
manic vigil
guess you really do need dem juicy gears. I bet tyra had fun pulling that off
yeah that was great
and pretty sure he has vods yes
fast nacelle
when you stuck at argus for so long and have no progress cause of apes and leaving people..
there is only one thing that keeps u alive...
https://i.imgur.com/mpGYGm2.png
having fun in sellruns
manic vigil
dafuq lel
fast nacelle
i got 10/16 slots from m+/weekly chest though
spare cloud
👋
manic vigil
I wonder what it feels like to have gear like that. you guys also have like 5 alts that are better geared than my puny main huh
must be nice
fast nacelle
976 while extending argus for 4 ids without getting loot was lucky as fuck lol
spare cloud
When I look at tyras char i start drooling
manic vigil
his avatar is even better but yeah that looks juicy
turbid harbor
that gear with extending 4ids is pretty crazy
manic vigil
just kinda funny how many different layers of players there are don't you think? I'm a super casual compared to most of you guys and there are way more casual layers below me etc
prime void
and boom you're geared
fast nacelle
its stupid.. getting tf from hc and shit like 970 arcway ring n shit..
manic vigil
kinda fascinating just how big an "eco system" wow is
fast nacelle
who needs mythic anyway
spare cloud
Grinding m+ all day and not getting any items
manic vigil
idk mizu. it's kinda hard to enter "your world"
a guild on your level would never even look at me
fast nacelle
i changed 970 versa mastery boots vs 970 versa mastery speed (hc tf)
i changed 970 crit versa neck vs 980 crit versa neck (hc tf)
manic vigil
which makes sense of course
fast nacelle
no idea whats wrong ..
manic vigil
that's fair
manic vigil
just in general, stepping up is tough
prime void
What are your logs like ?
spare cloud
Was like that for me as well
tranquil birch
did people get good or did you just quickly boot shitters for better players?
spare cloud
I was in a world 6k guild and got decent logs then joined a world 700 guild
manic vigil
logs are alright ... for ilvl of course
prime void
WEll we progressed to a point where people were applying
Then have slowly faded out players through the year
manic vigil
not making method want me but I'm doing okay
prime void
Our team only has 4 of the same players from en
And like 14 from tos
Same officer core since NH tho
but using a low tier mythic guild as a stepping stone is really the way
It's kind of a dick move when you step up, but it can be necessary
manic vigil
yeah I guess
prime void
But like we just recruited a kid who was 2/11M with all 99s in heroic- never really mythic raided before
fast nacelle
idk wow isnt hard.. i appreciate a young player that isnt that experienced but good at the game.
our tank left at 8/11M and for argus we got a 5/11M tank cause he was young, pushed a lot of m+ and had a good interview
manic vigil
I like that. Giving people a chance can pay off for sure
can also backfire ofc but yeah
fast nacelle
if you are good at games you dont need to be top 30-50 for 10 years
fast nacelle
easy to catch up
prime void
We don't take too big of a "risk"
prime void
I feel like getting into top 100 is where it gets a bit tougher
spare cloud
but for others its even faster
fast nacelle
top 100 means nothing
prime void
but theres some shit rogues in top 100
fast nacelle
you have top 5 ... then top 10.. .then the rest is mostly defined by time
dire spoke
alpha outlaw short review https://clips.twitch.tv/ConfidentLittleAxeEagleEye
fast nacelle
yes
our guild made world 37 on helya with 3 days
on longer contents you just lose ranks..
no matter how good you are
manic vigil
idk, I don't really care about the fame or anything. It's just that always feeling like you have to carry a lot of fail bobs is annoying at times
and not playing as much as you'd like.
fast nacelle
you have noobs in top 20 guilds aswell
prime void
what server are you on uni ?
fast nacelle
there are always 3-4 who hold you back
in best case you are the one who hold others back
manic vigil
proudmoore right now
fast nacelle
so you are in a comfortable seat
spare cloud
I still have my first char there
fast nacelle
since kill yes
yeah
but not for aggramar/argus i guess
idk if josh helped them for argus though.. but overall
they have like 10 players
where i could multi acc play on 2 monitors
and perform better... so what does rank 18 mean
or "top 20"
fast nacelle
future at least delivered
its not only one..you have method and exorsus
which are completly out of this universe
then 3-4 sick guilds..followed by 4-5 top guilds
and then it already starts with time investment > personal skill
so if you are interested and commited to full time wow
you can join a top 20 any time
if you arent retarded
spare cloud
rip me i guess
midnight latch
you are a sweet anyway
spare cloud
it depends on the guild you join tbh 😄
strange python
all this talk about guilds makes me sad. my 2 day one averages 30 wipes every week on imonar cause people loose their brains every time. also less and less sign ups and we have to bring new people
feeeels bad
i just want 2day raiding with a solid roster for a full expansion
manic vigil
I just like hearing those stories. Because, like I said, you guys are playing a different game really
dire spoke
I would be more than happy in a top500 lol
manic vigil
and it's fascinating to me
drowsy island
if you kill normal argus do you still have a chance at leggo trinket on heroic
strange python
no
fast nacelle
a friend of mine was in a world 50 guild.. they split up and 3 of their carries came to us and he joined fsy.. now he s world 9
cause he likes to maintain 7 chars and is interested... and shines there aswell
many players in top 100 guilds could raid way higher... but its mostly about commitment
fast nacelle
yeah well... i mean depends on what u r doing in life
turbid harbor
i played m+ for 8-10 hours per day up until tos because i was playing with good friends
it was genuinely fun
pushing rankings with people you like is fun
fast nacelle
i do home office.. if i had a 9-17 job i d probably wouldnt play legion at all
turbid harbor
xd
fast nacelle
legion is nuts