#assassination
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Also is there a certain point when we stop going for Mastery / crit ? ๐ cause im at 145% mastery and 35% crit atm
you stop when you deal so much damage that you rupture the fabric of reality
under 200% mast 
I have 175% mastery with boots/bracers t20 2p FeelsBadMan
I cant watch this outlaw stream anymore
i'm at 185% 28%
I'm getting bored just watching
ye XD
should i priorize mast or crit ?
he didn't do sub yet?
sounds like a plan
nope
oh neat
he did assa (which he said he quite liked)
doing OL now which he's only half way through the dungeon and is already calling it poopy
I'm watching too
I mean you dont need to be a genius to see how bad Ol is
Saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
fucking kill me
guess what
xd
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I mean
saber slash saber slash slice and dice
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
v
leaked outlaw API
sometimes he has to do
the RtB buff reduced killing spree aswell
three saber slashes
that would be a way
: )
to aoe
xd
KS only aoes
outlul best spec
oh right LOL
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
I'll work on improving mine immediately

saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
saber slash saber slash run through
oh wait I'd rather kms
go eat a schnitzel Tom ๐
oh you are a bad boi
I like it
I love how sloot shits on outlul ๐
played it for 5mins
saber slash saber slash run through
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any big changes for ass ?
outlaw is fucking garbage
Yeah
assa looks dope
mastery affects bleeds, PB is now a talent, has 4% proc chance per cp
CT is back
thank fuck for CT
that's it pretty much
PB can suck a doodle
as opposed to reliable AoE
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its almost as if you think alpha is final
random good dps or reliable shit dps
the concept behind CT outweighs PB by a fuck tonne
that's fair
that goes both ways mate
still, CT will have to be good to make you skip pbomb I guess
20% chance is still only a 1 in 5 chance to do AoE, as apposed to an actual skill, m80
Dont forget CT is useless on ST
and that yeah
well, yeah thats true
so even if CT is ebtter on aoe you might still take PB because it's decent on both
that seems problematic idk
but you'd just swap it out for ST / AoE fights
n1
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for raids sure, still think the concept of CT is bad for raids tho
adds hardly ever live enough in aoe fights for a meleedot to be good
things like moonfire are good because they are spread aoe, CT still suffers from range issues
it has it yeah
oh yeah there
it's his nr 5 binding
nvmd
dont think you use it on ST w/o bracers
lol
it does like
half the damage of a run through
but quadruple baseline damage on crit
instead of double
but that simply means that on crits it does the same damage as a run through crit
2 x 2 = 4, 1 x 4 = 4
oh no sloot is gonna stay outlaw : (
oh well, good on him, obviously enjoying it
watch him getting even more pissed
he's going sub next dungeon
and change from vigor to DS lul
he's gonna legit fall asleep
oh you meant stay outlaw for the run, right
hahah
"thats a better suggestion, sack outlaw"
after playing it for like 20 minutes
fucking
OMEGA
LUL
has he played mut yet?
yes
Outlaw was nice early because of the stats from the bones. Our gear way out scales the bones now.
well, it makes sense that they would tone down outlul's immense aoe prowess right
So prob good for leveling.
it's obviously way op
Yeah man
did anyone see if trueB reduces blade flurry?
what's an average to above average amount of KB stacks to reach?
I'm dying here ๐
that was smooth af
he noticed me ๐ฎ
I don't know I'm busy laughing about sloot having so much fun ๐
no way flurry makes it to live the way it is currently\
outlaw btw
ye and TrueB doesn't recude it's CD
Is Ld still a thing or just back to getting fucked?
LD is a talent now
we need no wpn dmg in the future ? ๐
which Sloot hasnt used so far
rip
he noticed me 
still going to sim...but sugestions on best combo with leggo shoulders...helm ..soouls of the shadowblade or ravenholdt insignia?
since when are ppl on alphas?
2 days ago i think
did every class get nerfed or just rogues?

Poison Bomb Envenom and Rupture have a 4% chance per combo point spent to smash a vial of poison at the target's location, creating a pool of acidic death that deals [*75.6% [59% of Attack Power] Nature damage over 3 sec to all enemies within it. Assassination Rogue - Level 100 Talent.
Toxic Blade Stab your enemy with a toxic poisoned blade, dealing (272% of weapon damage [84.32% of Attack Power) Nature damage. The damage of your poisons against the target is increased by 30% for 9 sec. Awards 1 combo points. Assassination Rogue - Level 90 Talent. 20 Energy. Melee range. Instant.
those are alpha notes.
it appears that they reduced the attack power scaling of every AP scaling skill
and changed wep damage skills to scale with AP
judging from the data mined notes
"not gonna do deeper strat until we see what the energy is like" he's gonna have fun
well they prepped all the class fantasies with legion
like, it is reworked and now they need to bake artifact into regular specs
what else do you want then
More Poison
lol
zempai super toxic DansGame
idk what I want
not the same shit
because ded class you know
๐ bye uni
You will be alone one day if you tell everyone to go
isn't he yellow
what a troll
weSmart
my fucking phone is stuck in the loading screen shit again.- are you kidding me with this shit
I have to wipe it every month
too much porn? ๐ค
drugs help
at least my m+ score is slowly increasing
I fell asleep on 2pm while door went ding dong, I was like nah fuck that whatever it is
lol
I find its usually the postman when I do that, and then I have to go collect my package from the post office ๐ฆ
almost happened to me today
was in the shower then the dude with my pc parts came
lucky someone else was there
nightstalker rupture or tb w/o shoulders?
rupture
kk ty
no it was just a dumb question
sorry i don't normally play tb ๐ฆ i'm an exsang scrub

Oh btw bois is it worth going Nightborne for assa?
racial sims are in pins, but keep in mind it's still early
tbh, if people didnt ask questions that could be answered in pins, this would pretty much be #off-topic
its rare that people discuss assa in depth as far as i've seen
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you mean like, what is pandemic? 
quality question
noobe is like randomly talking about in-depth sin shit all day 
noobe is actually just using this chat for his thoughts
yeah 
linking your 30th sim of the day is not really sparking much discussion
we are sitting here like
cool dude
Well, if pretty much all the questions about ass can be asnwered in pins then i think this chat is doing a good job
right, but what purpose would this chat even serve then
might as well disable it
but yeah, pins are doing a huge job, and its really well done
unimatrix, this is the 3rd time you have talked to me in the last 95 hours, i am reporting you for harrassment

prepare to get buttfucked in prison
just how I like it 
To discuss how beautiful ass is maybe?
anyone find a video of sin in bfa yet
#transmog exists
slootbag was playing sin earlier on stream
otherwise, i havent seen any
Cuz we are roleplaying
Have you ever seen an assassin stream their job?
he's live on sub rn
is crimson tempest good
idk, is the weather in 2020 good ?
i mean in alpha
sloot likes it 
cool
sloot likes it, must be gud
oh
lame sub is gay
i dont like the idea of an aoe finisher with a dot
it always happens that either the initial hit or the dot is just so fucking useless that it makes that component not even worth thinking about
Does ct proc venomous wounds?
i got fucking bamboozled
If im at 4 CP do i Envenom or do another Mutilate to get 5CP Envenom out ?
envenom
where's my kojiyama in-depth alpha stream btw 
maybe didnt get an invite
wow those experts in sloot's chat 
My sub wep still 58
are gloves/shoulder the set pieces you dont use?
i wanna make a new rogue is worgen good
cuz i just got 965 socket mastery crit gloves
sim the best combination that will work out for you with the gear you have
iirc yes, gloves are the usual off pieces
and shoulders being a legendary
yeah i got that part too
Is there a place that shows the new alliedraces simmed?
yeah, the pins
I don't see the break down
the first pin literally says its on herodamage
np
Frรถhliche Weihnachten

so my main is sub, 970 ilvl, level 80 artifact, ilvl 1005 artifact with two 980 ilvl double BiS relics, sims for 2.19m. building an assass OS for mythic argus, it's currently 966 ilvl, level 68 artifact, ilvl 959 artifact with random ass relics and it sims for 1.92m LOL
scaling btw ๐
945 Blood MALch/MoS/Mass YES! ๐
nasty
^lol
did someone say 985
has 920
give me a sec
!mute @regal cape
its sin

Lol
cool
:v)
garb
bonus roll H Argus memed me
u dont need anything to be good on assass
You have 2 MA relics. Like really donโt show us your relic set again
i have a level 68 arti on my assass OS with random ass relics and it sims 150k less than my 1005 ilvl sub weapon with double 980 ilvl bis relics
its a joke
nice scaling
I have 2 945 MAlch/MoS/Mass and 1 930 MAlch/MI/Mass
@dire spoke Gottem hehe XD haHAA ForeHead
I have all the top relic traits cept for the tier 2 lines
Refractive Memes

and chaotic dark hol up
before these I had 910 in it, nothing to expect
is it coming from an addon? oh
Either CrucibleWeight or DejaCharacterStats
ty
idk ๐คท one of them
my life
last night we killed imonar (coined), kin'(coined) and vari (coined). i got 3 pieces of loot! WOOT!.....or....wait. i got gloves (leggo slot), shoulders (leggo slot) and a neck from vari instead of trinket (neck has haste, useless) FUN ๐
mythic btw
we've seen 1 vari trinket in 16 kills
GOOD TIMES
NICE MEME
90 gold tho
worth
good vendor gear
Been 964 ilv for like a month now, I do fine but its still a meme
On dogs, is it a good idea to swap between the bosses to DoT them both
or is there too much downtime in getting into range
on mythic its a real bad idea
yeah
debuff mixing can cause wipes real easily
so risk vs gain is pretty high
If youre careful you can
just depends on how much your raid spreads on dogs,
in a way
if its normal or heroic? fuck yeah min max your ass off
should be stacked anyways l ol
What's the concensus on the most accurate sim info on relics? See wildly diff values for both my own toon, and default sims
/wa
boots or shoukders on argus?
I def like boots more if you can make the p1 dps check
so i just wanna be sure once i get t21 and shoulders i can do aoe as rogue right
also what kind of game design is that =\
So discouraging
Watchu mean
You can do aoe as rogue if youโre playing sub
or if you get really good PB procs
can i something about mage tower?
If you get unlucky with mutilate generators and only get 4 combo points do you use envenom/rupture at 4 isntead of overcapping
how can i active mage tower ๐ for queen challenge
its active now but war council not there
u need to the thing at kirin tor tower
" When both bleeds are up use Envenom at 4+ combo points. Try to use Envenom right before your Envenom buff falls off." notters guide
for ur spec
I'm not too sure about rupture, I think its similar case ๐คท
unless you're snapshotting with ns
why do we envenom with vanish/mantle instead of applying a mantle-rupture?
i've been doing it b/c i read teh guide but i really dont know why im doing it lol....
Low mastery=rupture
Does anyone have a weakaura that makes you /say something when poison bomb procs
Yeah i found it looking for assa auras on wago.io. It tells you how many bomb procs you had on the fight too
I can link it as soon as i get to my pc ^^
thanks! i've been looking for a while and was about to learn how to make weakauaras just to make it myself lol
like this? https://wago.io/Hk1vhe_rM
No that one reports in chat after the encounter. What I'm looking for is something that reports in /say so that when poison bomb procs during a M+ so the tank knows to hold still if possible.
Thank you for looking tho Argonic!
oh it does actually! nice
Thanks!
np
Hi guys, returning rogue. Bleed or poison build; whats "better" atm?
Herodamage, sorry. Nevermind ๐
just to be clear, that wa will trigger a /s macro and alert your tank when pb drops?
Just add a Say output in the Actions tab.
cool ty
just play with good players instead of bad ones
should i save every toxic blade for the last 9 sec of KB? or this will be a DPS loss compare to just use them on CD?
on cd
ok..
@midnight latch 

Returning to rogue, which are the stats for poison build? Ty in advance
pins
Mastery-crit
Channel dead like the class
Who even plays this shit spec
No clue
people who like doing more than sub and outlaw
I got chest and head, then swapped to mistweaver
Rogue still main, always will be
Iโd rather the channel be like this compared to the disaster it was during the fok bug
If I had to answer another โis the bug fixed????โ I was going to hang myself
Is it fixed?
any top end sin available to chat for a few?
nah the mods banned all the top parsers already
rip
are we being nerfed in BfA?
Too soon to tell imo
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@balmy condor wait, is the bug fixed already?
@gilded lark gratz my dude
what bug ?
nice, new bug, time to exploit
all the top parsers get banned
rip
Good thing my grey parses are here to cover my back
expansion over
gotta play pvp
:^)
7
i feel like if pvp is your thing WoW is the worst game to play for it.
I can't imagine how pvp players justify getting shafted by blizzard for as long as they have and haven't jumped ship to another game yet ๐ฆ
this game doesnt have pvp ๐ค
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hey, are there any good streams for assassination rogue in m+?
#reported
#bemyguest
how does one spriest
i do that anyway
noob question inc, do i want to always use 5cp on rupture ? ofc excluding the first one
@wraith saddle i recommend you check the guide linked in the header or pins
that works too
:eyes:
it is mentioned.
pfft, like you'd know, its not like you made the guide
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is it possible to make use of sepuz im bored
sub or outlol could probably
maybe outlaw......haste is so awful for both sub and sin.
Only reason sephuz was nice was the speed boost for running old dungeons but then they nerfed it so it has a gross CD instead of being able to just sap - sap - sap -sap and speed the entire way through a dungeon like old burst of speed was
hi there, anyone tested sub on alpha ? with find weakness
wod sub is back :3 im happy
i cant even imagine how much i will miss my shoulders when bfa drops
worst part is they baked the SHIT SHOULDERS as a talent into ass
I hate them
but with 3 seconds instead of 5
rip
So bois, 2 legedarys left. Mantle or Prydaz. Gonna soduko if my essence give me prydaz
You'll get prydaz
jokes on you baby
Man its reverse psychology
MANTLE CLUB Eyyy
always works
FeelsGoodMan
welcome to the mantle club
why does assa skill nightstalker instead of subterfuge?
is it such a big dps difference?
and I got my prydaz.... ๐คฆ
Why does anyone play with anything? What is life?
so how good is our tier set?
good
The goodest
Can someone explain how Sinister Circulation works?
its only works with melee atacks? FoK on 10+ targets doesnt decrease cd differ then in solo target situation
so on argus is it better to stick on phys add or garrote/rupture phys then shadowstep to nature on and stick?
@clever mural They added an internal cd to that trait a while back, so you won't see any additional cdr on aoe
@sand flax thanks
hey guys can someone help me with my log :? dunno what ive doin wrong :/
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mfdqAbNBTLaVgw1p#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=14&translate=true
@subtle imp physical ad is the one most people focus first so I just skip it
I tend to just garrote/rupture the physical add and sprint over since the nature buff won't be on it by that time.
Sim it

Sim what
It
Sim what
Sim what
Yoself
Lol
hey you
How many stacks of Kings Bane do you guys usually get?
I know I should be Sub for M+, but if i'm playing assassination should I be going Toxic blade or alacrity?

u really dont need haste on assa
bro i literally sim for 5 dps
not literally but
hypothetically
stack haste
tbgh
tbh
more haste = more energy regen = more abilities = more damage
hypothetically you dont need to shower everyday. Doenst mean you shouldn't
tell me my logic is flawed
becuase you completely disregard procs in your calculation
and the time the mob lives
yeah or no procs
who needs rng when you have raw haste
more abilities doesnt mean you get more procs
it increases the "likelyhood" of you getting it
stay away from da haste mon
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pulling the haste meme is like foking madonna if you could just do kindly myers all the way
old and dry
btw did I read it right that we arent allowed to meme hard anymore @zealous dew ?
Guys whats best ass or sub without any tier?
@midnight latch ๐
@dire spoke ๐
in bfa alpha without artifacts the specs feels so simple.
but the spec is kinda simple, even with artifact ๐
take out kb and any vendett cdr, we're just holding env uptime and mashing envs into tb.
doubt your sim is much over 1.9m anyway.
if i dont have shoulders yet, but have bis trinkets should i just but reluinquished shoulders hoping for the leggo drop?
its a 3:30 fight, doesnt matter when he uses vanish, he wont get another cast, he just need to align with vendetta and other things
just 2 vanish casts anyway
It was prob just before the 2nd hand phase.
delay after that blast would have been in bracer, and have cds back up.
oh yeah, he used vanish on CD there, delay would have been better
yeah. People fire vanish off without cooldowns. = bad
ive dumped vendetta going into arms a few times.
extreme sad face.
oh boy
oof
Is it worth to vanish when PB procs btw?
970 Sullied Seal of the Pantheon drops from heroic Argus. Rogue 1 has a 915 Band of Rescinded Truths from Maiden and a 915 crit/mastery ring. Rogue 2 has a 940 Sullied Seal of the Pantheon with a socket and a 930 ring. Lootmaster mentions the ring would be a huge upgrade for Rogue 1 over voice and asks Rogue 2 to reconsider since he beat Rogue 1's roll by 2. Ring goes to Rogue 2 as a 1% upgrade for him and he says his sims haven't changed. Ugh...
Pretty much. The guildmaster and another officer are apathetic when it comes to handling loot. Loot would normally be handled by an officer that thinks about these things but he was absent that night, and our former officer that was our Lootmaster would evaluate folks and had the last say over who gets it since he wasn't lazy. This outcome was pure shit.
I farm M+. I can show you a number of useless doilies they have given me. I can not show you a single decent ring however.
Lootmasters. Lol
Loot council is a little annoying when you farm m+, but some people in your group only log in for raid
How is 2set TOS + 4set atbt? with bracers and boots even tho i have shoulders?
Our system is pretty great.
@merry root yeah that's pretty shit. "Well since he hasn't even tried, and his dps is shit. Let's get him this 970TF
@zealous dew what items from tos do u have?
Shoulder glove is ideal.
@lone junco assa btw
930 gloves + shoulders
Eh.
Iron Wire will cause garrote to silence for 8 SECONDS?
is boots+bracers plus 2/4 actually simming higher?
it's a close call, depends on offpieces
eh if it's that close who cares
it's QoL
I'd rather have the extra stam
on 2+ targets is a dps gain
and you don't have to study the theory of chaos when you have to vanish or not
bonus roll on Dogs ye for trinket?
Generally they are. Spoke with the guildmaster about it afterwards and he wasn't happy with the turnout. The other dude took his headphones off and wasn't listening. We compete and perform well in every fight so it's not like either of us are slacking.
when did master assassin relics take over master alch relics?
That's... Honestly how quite a few of us feel.
Would have been a gain of 1400 mastery to his 200.
well I mean
man, run M+
a lootmaster is bad
a lootcouncil is what you want
for that reason
@zealous dew you know how annoying it can get farming for one item tho
When did I say that I wasn't running M+s? I do, i just can't replace the slots I'd like, haha.
Edited a typo. *
not farming for tf
everyone would have a EoC 940 then
most didnt see one above 910
I need 30+ runs to get items to even drop once mostly ๐
i gave away so many eoc
in the last weeks
940 but still 940
just go with 4 guildies
+15 is a joke
it sure is, but still
still havnt even seen eoc drop for anyone in my groups
As for the lootcouncil thing, we used to have that in place. Somewhere along the lines the officers got lazy, especially after they spurned the officer that had the greatest involvement in the the council and he left. It's a mess sometimes.
speaking of rings, got 960+s twisted bark from dht last night
lost 2% mastery, gained 3% crit
I can say that my alt is the not-so-proud owner of a 985 Crit-mastery ring. As a Mistweaver. So that kind of hurts, haha.
hey guys
on coven am i supposed to keep rupture on both sisters constantly?
for norm/hero
who do i choose to garrote in these scenarios
im not runing t20 2p
do i just garrote whoever on cd
how do you apply your poison to the other?
do you just let an auto attack go off
or do you use energy to muti
You ask tanks nicely to keep bosses close and fok
or PK the far one
Hey guys I want to ask couple of questions about some of the situations I am faceing during my rotation. But I dont want to spam here. So any1 have like 10-15 mins to discuss privately ?
I got 960 fang and 945 eoc. I simmed myself and they were pratically equals, as far as dps goes. My question is, is there situations that eoc is prefered over fang or the other way around?
Sorry if this is a pinned question
If you're changing targets a lot EoC loses some value
So whats the deal with assasination aoe? Just fok and rupture everything and hope for pb proc?
i feel so fucking disrespected
queueing for a heroic Aggy. dude requires 960. AOTC. and good logs. i have all 3 and whisper him and he says "looking for CC" sorry like what kinda fucking dumbass are you
you have CC as well ๐
i know. thats what im saying
but i coudlnt even tell him that cuase when i tried to whisper it saif "could not fine ___"
How much energy does venomous wounds exactly give if they die with rupture?
is there a formula?
should be the energy left returned by that rupture
rupture ticks every 2 or 3 seconds i forget
2
so divide the number of sec remaining by 2 then multiply by 3 for the enegery
oh so its the remaining energy you woulda gotten from the passive ticking stuff?
yes
is it given in full or at a reduced quantity
in full i think
just go on a world mob and rupture kill it and check the log
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everyone blames me
even when the boss is shielded yup
yeah
rude
You canโt sap those adds right? Just blind?
u can't sap when you're in combat...
so the answer is yes
In reality, sap and blind are bad crowd control.
So, I copypastad the string for NC from herodamage. Can anyone explain the numbers in each trait for me ๐ฆ 17.71 6:5.38 7:6.3)
Seperately, it doesnt tell me master assasin is the choice, even though it is massively on the charts
Instead it suggests balanced blades
well maybe its your second MA
Uhm, I wasn't aware it has diminishing returns
right, thanks for the help.
Does that carry on for 4/5/6
or
actually u cant stack in one relic
Thanks for answering dude โค
is the prio for garrote dropped ? or how could it be that someone have 95+ logs with under 90% uptime
that actually was for 5/6/7
im just talking about relics
the 6 is worth nothing simwise
Dr.Runsen maybe if you link the log we could see
discord sometimes goes crazy
the rank 1 on garothi
i dont com over 70 on my logs and im looking currntly why but i dont found my problems
its the rank 1 rogue i dont know him ๐
maybe because you are only like 20ilev under him
and your relics are pretty bad and no skill bomb procs
so i have to be lucky with bomb proccs for better logs?
maybe iam late
but
fok sake
the increase is still very low
well its free
yeah but at least it means haste isnt compleeeetly useless
so gotta take it
we need to wait until bfa
yeah, i can't wait, i need BfA now
speaking of which anyone know streamers who have extensively tried sin
i see all those noobs on warlock right now
at sinning? Dr Disrespect
lol
Im going full rogue for bfa very fun. I was a lock main for like 20 years but that shit got boring
HASTE BUILD YUS
and these artifact dagger skins are so awesome, and we can use them in bfa
haste and mastery
uh idk, since we prolly take dispatch for st anyway
too early too early
we still have no idea what the artifact trait will be
1% proc chance to pb
So, who is joining the troll master race in BFA now? ๐คฃ

wasnt arcane torrent cd increased to like 2.5min cd?
Jesus it's coming true
i want to be a brown orc rogue
3min originally IIRC
and given the recent Dispatch nerfs I don't see it beating MP/PBomb even in single target without some more DMG nerfs on PBomb. > _>
whats the proper strat on heroic argus?
in terms of rupturing adds
vs focusing the poison addd
garrote and rupture physical add, move to poison add and get rup up before vulnerabilities are active.
lulz poison & bleed are haste affected
Yeah and I actually don't like it.
Because having four good stats makes everything bad.
haste impacting DoT cycling also makes agility better, which seems fine, but now our stats are going to end up like Ret last tier.
Where everything is fine and nothing stands out.
remember that we're losing Mantle as well, so you need monsterous crit to make up for it.
and that mastery influences bleeds now, so mastery is even better (though the ratio was nerfed)
and vers. still influences DoTs so it's still good.







