assassination

[orchid prawn]

no cause i got them in late NH 😄 fuck hope BFA doesnt have anything like this

[quick talon]

also exsang was faster

[civic palm]

400% please

[quick talon]

300%? i dont remember

[foggy folio]

probably wont

[civic palm]

EX changed a bunch.

Went back and forth.

[shrewd night]

Rogue: Expose Armor - Your damage exposes weaknesses in the target's armor, increasing Physical damage taken by 5% for 1 min.

[civic palm]

Down from 10% already eh?

mmm thinking of find weakness

[urban storm]

pretty sure it was always gonna be 5

i only remember seeing 5

[civic palm]

Yeah it's been 5 forever.

[urban storm]

wtb my alpha access =/

[civic palm]

Must have raid class :3

[quick talon]

same

[civic palm]

max utility

[urban storm]

i should have it by now

lol

[quick talon]

Why

[urban storm]

friend

prob by the weekend

i heard a lot of shit is broke right now so its not super important lol

[civic palm]

Not with leveling.

Sound compression is still funky.

[marsh marlin]

would you guys say picking up 2 vendetta relics is essential if im going to run the boots?

[urban storm]

3 ideally

[marsh marlin]

oh yeah

[civic palm]

Alliance side dungeon is much more difficult trash wise than the Horde dungeon.

[marsh marlin]

3 gives the actual significant

change

so 3 then

[urban storm]

3 makes it lineup with every other vendetta almost perfectly

[marsh marlin]

but over deadly poison?

[civic palm]

Why not both?

[urban storm]

if youre using boots, definitely

[lone junco]

400 200 600 200

[quick talon]

Well

using boots/bracers

according to sims

"only" the first MA is a really fat increase

also getting worse with every MA relic added after that

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/relics/1t-t21-rogue-assassination-t21-4-t20-2-bracers-boots

[marsh marlin]

well I'm not running any right now

[quick talon]

like the 3rd MA is almost not worth it

[urban storm]

is 310% flying at lvl 80?

[quick talon]

unless running bleed ofc

[lone junco]

No ma boots is a good time to try out that vend tb Kb.

Good alignment.

[quick talon]

Ya, if you always delay vendetta for some reason

[marsh marlin]

seems like my Kb is always a little later than my tb/vend

after the first

[quick talon]

its not even worth having a MA relic

[marsh marlin]

and then they end up lining up later

[orchid prawn]

that feeling when ppl are talking about timings but you just hit cds when they flash after 2nd 🐒

[dire spoke]

👀

[orchid prawn]

ok i lied, i hold my second prolonged to execute

on a good day maybe even delay last vanish abit

[marsh marlin]

also, would you guys say 910 glaives>950 fang for fights like HC/PK?

[civic palm]

If you can time the damage on Glaives.

MAYBE

[marsh marlin]

worth stating that I run shoulders

as well

[orchid prawn]

i just run the big statstick of fangs, cant play that wrong

[lone junco]

@orchid prawn don't necessarily hold till execute. But like 1:20 ttd

[manic vigil]

I don't like glaives on sin tbh 🤷

but feelycraft

[marsh marlin]

I just got them about 30 mins ago

[civic palm]

Glaives were nice on KJ due to add stacking and them not moving.

[marsh marlin]

rolling relinq trinkets

[civic palm]

That's not the case for both HC and PK.

[lone junco]

Sub was nice on KJ.

[manic vigil]

glaives on sub however 🤤

[civic palm]

Yarrr

[manic vigil]

BOOOM bitches

[midnight latch]

glaive on sub is still 🤤

[dense yew]

I’m tempted to swap 2xMAss to PK. Better on cleave and M+

[lone junco]

Dfa from the knockback.

[manic vigil]

naya 🤗

[marsh marlin]

Well I don't have pantheon, so I'll obviously be running them anyway

but just wondering when it does drop

[midnight latch]

🤗 @manic vigil

[orchid prawn]

@lone junco yeah, ofc just delay abit so it fits better in the bracer window - never long enought to miss out on uses

[lone junco]

Don't hunt pk.

[manic vigil]

I haven't played sub for way too long now that I think about it

[loud hornet]

Hi

[lone junco]

See a lot of logs where they bind potion on vanish. 😦

[manic vigil]

even been a lazy sin in m+

time do deliver DfA again

[dense yew]

@lone junco it’s just more that I’ve been ignoring anything that isn’t MAlch+MAss

[orchid prawn]

tbh if i'd macro potion into anything it'd be vanish or vendetta, if you're doing raids or m+

not optimal obvs.

[lone junco]

Bb malch. Bb vend.

[manic vigil]

dat name tho 🤦

[fringe bear]

Nightborne master race

[dense yew]

I do a lot of M+. I’d be happy to lose some ST to gain a lot more aoe

[lone junco]

W/e

[manic vigil]

haHAA

[civic palm]

bb malch seems POGGERS especially if you have the legendaries.

[fringe bear]

Leave my name alone 😭

[manic vigil]

okay

[dense yew]

Wtf does poggers mean?

[manic vigil]

😮

[civic palm]

memeShit

HypeMemeShit

[manic vigil]

you dont know de wey

[dense yew]

Ok is it positive or negative?

[civic palm]

positive entirely

[manic vigil]

(I hate this fkin racist meme btw)

[fringe bear]

Can i get a pogchamp

[marsh marlin]

dead meme

anyway

[manic vigil]

yeah poggers is positive

it's like the retarded silly brother of PogChamp

oh holup

[orchid prawn]

i'll give you a pogchamp if you beat my sim kappa

[fringe bear]

Soon

[civic palm]

Where's my pogchamp?

[marsh marlin]

POGGERS

[civic palm]

Don't worry the details.

[fringe bear]

Lmao wtf

[civic palm]

They don't matter.

[orchid prawn]

POGGERS

[fringe bear]

Fuck man

[orchid prawn]

🤔 ONE SIM TO RULE EM ALL

[fringe bear]

You're a 1 man raid

[lone junco]

Shant is 7pk7malch

[civic palm]

Yeah if you do 10m

or have some real bad raid dps :3

[fringe bear]

Haha

[marsh marlin]

even at 10m you're only about 6-7 players

rofl

[civic palm]

Which would be all the DPS.

yaDork

[manic vigil]

😮

[orchid prawn]

ye statsquish is welcome with me tbh, dont wanna turn into diablo

[marsh marlin]

how many healers do u need

rofl

[civic palm]

2 tanks 2 healers, 6 DPS

[manic vigil]

10 man raid, 4 healers

[civic palm]

tanks are actually dps

[manic vigil]

3 tanks

[marsh marlin]

misunderstood

LOL

thought u meant 10 million

not 10 man

[manic vigil]

🤔

[fringe bear]

My 10 takes 6 healers 2 tanks 2 dps

[marsh marlin]

we don't even take dps

10 veng dh's

all u need

[manic vigil]

2 blood DK 8 affli you mean

[orchid prawn]

^:D

[fringe bear]

Rofl

[manic vigil]

😏

[fringe bear]

Affi heal got nerfed though

[marsh marlin]

someone did a raid of 18 afflock's and 2 bdk's

[orchid prawn]

ye in alpha, guildies already crying

[manic vigil]

yeah

[orchid prawn]

prob deserved tho its just nuts tbh

[manic vigil]

they also did some ridiculous lower kara shit with bdk and 4 affli

[marsh marlin]

our afflock's had trouble moving out of swirlies on aggramar

[orchid prawn]

locks not moving from kingaroth green swirlies, barely dies soaking em while tank takes two orbs

[marsh marlin]

bcuz they're not used to dodging things

[hardy pewter]

ppl crying about early alpha? damn

[marsh marlin]

LUL

[manic vigil]

yeah affli don't really wanna move ^^

"I can just tank it" until they can't

[loud hornet]

I have 201.13% of Mastery and 29% of crit but i think i don't have a lot of crit. It's right ?

[manic vigil]

you know 😉

[marsh marlin]

until they fly off the fucking edge

to their deaths

LOL

[manic vigil]

exactly

xD

[marsh marlin]

aggramar was fun

watching our tank become a fight jet

fighter jet

because his mouse got stuck

LOL

just gets launched to africa

[manic vigil]

haha

[marsh marlin]

they sat me for argus tho

sad days

makes me want to play this class

immunities are fucking busted

and rogue has a retarded amount of survivability

[orchid prawn]

cooldown on feint and a small bump to cloak CD is justified imo

just makes elusiveness more obscure, dont like that

[marsh marlin]

feint is insane.

though

you basically negate mechanics with that thing

with little cost

couldn't imagine doing avatar w/o rogues

[orchid prawn]

we had two, to take the outer soaks - had a long list of hpriest with cloak/palas/hunters for the others

lost some pulls to ppl just forgetting the order even when we had a note

[marsh marlin]

we had a boomy soak the 4th

we only had 3 rogues

boomy got ironbark for one

then barkskinned the next

bearform both

our 3rd rogue kind of sucks tho

rofl

he's gone now

[orchid prawn]

ye even when we laughted at fatboss for bringing their raid comp, the more rogues you had the less messy it became 😄

[marsh marlin]

I liked Avatar a lot

was one of the first of the harder bosses I've progressed on

counting out anything beyond 6/10 NH

only went 9/10 in NH tho

no CE

😢

same w/ ToS

8/9

[orchid prawn]

o.o

cutting edge is like a diploma that you did tier when it was relevant, good memories

[marsh marlin]

ToS was kind of fucky though, because we stalled progression for a long time

a lot of players left all of a sudden

off the end of our mistress kill

[orchid prawn]

yeah same, love our raidteam/officers for keeping it together even when ppl left right and center

[marsh marlin]

would be hard for my guild to fall apart

our core is either from BDG

or close friends with people from BDG

we're like a casual break off of that guild

rofl

[orchid prawn]

ye that's probably really nice, can imagine ppl from BDG getting bored when they clear so fast

[marsh marlin]

we also only raid 2 nights a week

which is easy for them to make

[orchid prawn]

primary reason i dont even wanna look at guilds progressing faster, what do you do with the downtime?

between tiers/expacs

[marsh marlin]

I raid on 2 characters

my rogue and my druid

rogue is less progressed than my druid

mainly because I don't want to server transfer it

even though my main guild wants me to switch to it

for argus

I'm not competitive at all on my rogue though

[orchid prawn]

balance druid?

[marsh marlin]

feral

[orchid prawn]

ah

huh, thought feral and rogue was the closest you'd come tbh 😄

saying that i cant play feral for shit

not getting energy from bleeds feels weird

[marsh marlin]

it's really easy now

yeah it does

now that im switching back and forth

every few days

it feels kind of weird having energy regen at a turtle's pace

feral/rogue cannot even be compared playstyle wise

however

I would say that rogue is harder, though

[orchid prawn]

o.o

keeping bleeds and savage roar up with the limited energy of feral feels like rocket science to me

[gilded lark]

Maybe harder than the current interation of feral

[marsh marlin]

yeah

nh feral was pretty difficult to master

new feral is brain dead

[gilded lark]

Which is just ook ook spam shred

[still tangle]

Should I be pooling energy for TB or just spending to get higher envenom buff uptime?

[orchid prawn]

oh, did they make the "shred refreshed one of your bleeds" talents the best one?

[gilded lark]

No

[marsh marlin]

Instead of the hard spec being the highest in numbers

the one where you just spam abilities

is the best

[gilded lark]

But the jw and bt nerfs with t21 favour vers/crit over mast

[marsh marlin]

^

[gilded lark]

So bleeds are worth less

[marsh marlin]

it's mainly JW being nerfed

and Incarn being there.

[orchid prawn]

ahhh

[gilded lark]

It feels so fucking strange

Taking MoC

[orchid prawn]

ye that sounds so strange tbh

[marsh marlin]

It's stupid

[gilded lark]

I mained feral in EN

[marsh marlin]

absolutely ruined that spec

in 7.2.5

[orchid prawn]

the bleed spec where the bleeds matters less? 😅

[gilded lark]

Ye

[marsh marlin]

Shred/Bite are our highest damage now

[gilded lark]

Now it's bleed spec, now with 20% less bleed

[marsh marlin]

Shred by a mile

[gilded lark]

In en we'd meme people for high shred dmg

[marsh marlin]

and if you don't take Brutal Slash for AoE you're fucking trolling

[lone junco]

I'm fine with that. Just let me trim the <m and Bn

[gilded lark]

Now it's the norm

What?

[lone junco]

Sry. Phone lag. Re: World of diablo numbers.

[gilded lark]

Wtf

[marsh marlin]

I miss old feral a lot

but I play w/ what I have

probably switching to rogue in BfA if there isn't any significant change to feral

I assume things will shift back towards the bleed build but it's doubtful

[orchid prawn]

yeah havent been focusing much on feral, but seems pretty similar to live aside from blink -> the sprint talent

[marsh marlin]

the sprint talent though

looks hilarious

LOL

[orchid prawn]

more exciting to focusing on something fresh

[marsh marlin]

it's just stupid that blizz said they would focus on keeping bleeds relevant

and they turned and made shred 16% of our damage

and bleeds like 8%

[tall pecan]

alright ive looked at the linked guide and i guess im going to ask a question you guys are probably sick of since it doesn't really make it clear in the guide

what of the two builds are better performing in what situation

[marsh marlin]

shred is actually way more

I don't look at it anymore

shred does 130m

next highest is 60m

[orchid prawn]

😄 if you've atleast tried to check the guide we wont flame

[marsh marlin]

rofl

[tall pecan]

im looking to raid heroic as an alt on my rogue nothing serious, but im a tryhard so i want to play the better of the two for most antorus fights

[marsh marlin]

poison build comes with gear

mostly mastery

and relics

[tall pecan]

so until i get the relics for poison should i do bleeds?

[marsh marlin]

it's not so much relics

[tall pecan]

my rogues like 908 atm im just starting her shes a baby, but shes got mantle

[marsh marlin]

but more stats

I would consistently sim it

every 5-10 ilvls

[tall pecan]

aight, bleeds to start though?

[marsh marlin]

and see if it's shifted from build to build

it depends on what sims higher

but yes, bleeds usually sim a little higher before you're ~920

we live in a world of sims

[tall pecan]

thats pretty much what i was lookin for, thanks. i usualyl dont bother simming til im 940 then i start going mad with simcraft

[marsh marlin]

whatever shows the bigger numbers

you use

[lone junco]

@tall pecan just play poison until you get much better gear.

Esp if you have shoulders.

[marsh marlin]

^but yeah I played poison the whole time tbh

to get used to the playstyle

[honest needle]

whats the best bodyguard follower for rogues ?

[lone junco]

Desync vendetta is gross.

I use one that doesn't follow me.

I don't want help. Just OR

[honest needle]

i was using vanessa but i should be using her for missions i think

[orchid prawn]

@honest needle https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/519b0t/what_orderhall_champions_to_deactivate_all/ is what i follow for orderhall followers

[tall pecan]

thats outdated

[marsh marlin]

meatball is good

if you're doing argus shit a lot

[orchid prawn]

oh it is? good to know

[tall pecan]

becuase the newer missions added and rebalanced the threat counters

just have one of each threat counter nowadays

[orchid prawn]

you happen to got an updated one? nice for alts

ah cool

[tall pecan]

im sure there is one i havent bothered

[orchid prawn]

my followers arent doing shit anyways nowadays, all are 925 with 8hr+ mission duration success chance items but no missions worthwhile to send em on

on main

[tall pecan]

you need to get them to 950

keep doing the questline

[marsh marlin]

followers are actually super helpful

[tall pecan]

on my warrior everything is legendary with perfect gear and they solo missions by themselves

[marsh marlin]

extra gold gen.

[tall pecan]

i make about 120k per month in gold quests on my warrior

[marsh marlin]

reducing mission times to absurd levels

LOL

[gilded lark]

14 110s is absolutely money for class halls

[orchid prawn]

oh 950 is max, ye i have that 😄 shows how long ago i sent em, just let my addon handle setup for the occasional gold/raid mission

[tall pecan]

yeah im working on my second-third-fourth theyre all being upgraded to 950

[gilded lark]

Coke next time you do a cos put eko and luffa on

Like the feral i ran with last night

[lone junco]

Orange parses are good. But crockpot skills are better.

🍖

[marsh marlin]

and pull the entire dungeon?

nty

[gilded lark]

"Who keeps pulling all the adds" its you dickhead

[marsh marlin]

😂

yeah

thrash is already 23 yds

[gilded lark]

Is that the range with eko/luffa?

[marsh marlin]

luffa

only

[gilded lark]

Lol

So what 27 or so with eko

Or does luffa stack on eko making it like 30

[marsh marlin]

sec

im not sure

actually

I'd say it's probably 27

somewhere around there

I haven't equipped eko in forever

[turbid harbor]

my outlaw sim beats my sin sim even at 10 pantheon

🤔

[gilded lark]

Bc panth is better for outlaw

[orchid prawn]

my otl is 200k behind my sin ♿ then again 10 artifacts levels behind, cant switch out completley out of mastery gear etc,

and no aggramar trink, heard that's big

you got that Zolbar?

[shrewd oriole]

aggra trinket aint that good

you want front + pantheon

[orchid prawn]

frond still? 😄 wow otl

[thorny vector]

does anyone have a weak aura for how many targets are effected by venomous wounds? 😃

[lapis jungle]

Is the pantheontrinket drop shares across difficulties? Or do I have x4 chance to get it?

[orchid prawn]

fak i hate when im 90% sure of a question but i cant swear by it 😄

thinks its once across all diffs

[lapis jungle]

Mehw, that sucks if so xD 8 weeks now without a drop..

[orchid prawn]

if you got a decent shadow singed fang/EoC combo its usually not far behind

[lapis jungle]

Im stuck with a 945 SSC and a 930 singed

[orchid prawn]

what i used before i got mine 2 weeks ago, then proceeded to forget to keep upgrading golg

[lapis jungle]

I've got 7 upgrade tokens though. So quite happy about that when I acutally getone

[candid patrol]

my dps on assassination is subpar even at item level 923 is that normal?

[prime void]

923 is subpar

so probably

[orchid prawn]

@gilded saddle dps usually ramps up quite abit, dont feel bad that you're doing sub 1m at 923 😄

perfect set of 925 gear vs random lfr/wq items + some ilvl 1000 leges is huge

[lapis jungle]

I'm curious. I sim at 1.8m on single target fights. But I usually end up being 2m. Why is that? Just lucky with PB all the time?

[orchid prawn]

if its a regular occurance maybe its a detail in your sim, are you doing it with correct fightlenght? correct amount of pantheon trinks?

[tulip delta]

Your sim is at 5 min but the fights you're talking about are likely significantly shorter

[lone junco]

@lapis jungle when your raid sucks and you are good, your Bracers will do work. And if others are dead. And if fight is short.

[lapis jungle]

don't even have bracers yet though haha

[lone junco]

Well short is a function of any dps. Relative to lust.

And you could be using bad settings. Or old desktop simc. Not raidbots nightly.

200k over sim is not normal.

[marsh marlin]

you're actually a superhuman

[lone junco]

You see it with good bombs in shoulders.

[lapis jungle]

I'm using the ravenholdt seettings

[lone junco]

100k patchwerk. Nightly. 0-20panth. 5min.

Else post a log where you are getting golds.

[lapis jungle]

I'm simming with 0 panths aswell

[marsh marlin]

100k sims

jeez

iterations*

[prime void]

bracers do work on shortish executes too

[lone junco]

That's just the cutoff for 0.05%

[prime void]

aslong as you have the vanish vendetta

[lone junco]

It usually stops at 35k

[orchid prawn]

@marsh marlin yeah i usually do 100k when i can, even if 100k vs 20k is minimal 😄 old habit from all the guides

[marsh marlin]

damn

I sim 10k iterations

LOL

[lone junco]

Raidbots did a good thing with the cutoff.

It goes to 0.05%

[orchid prawn]

yeah i do 10k iterations when simming alot of "top gear" with raidbots, and trust it alot aswell tbh

[marsh marlin]

I like to be lenient

with myself

I can't play perfect all the time

and there is always RNG in the mix

like the boss turning and parrying something

like 3 times in a row

-.-

[prime void]

10k iterations

YUCK

[spark geyser]

Parry dfa

[prime void]

#sin?

[marsh marlin]

parry toxic blade

REEEEEEEEEE

[prime void]

Also, if you're getting your shit parried

wtf are you doing ?

[marsh marlin]

tanks putting vari

in a shit spot

[prime void]

dont press buttons

[marsh marlin]

so im hitting him in the side

[prime void]

when boss is looking at you

be further to the side ?

[marsh marlin]

and get hit by necrotic

[charred stream]

yes

[marsh marlin]

nty

[prime void]

hit by necrotic ?

[marsh marlin]

markers way too tight

[lone junco]

I drop to 30k for 10set top gears.

[prime void]

Are you a downie ?

[marsh marlin]

on that boy

[spark geyser]

Attacking the boss from the front because I'm a monkey

[lapis jungle]

This is the log from last night. Though I played with 500 ms since my internet is fucked up atm. But usually im pulling 2m+ on ST

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZT1cr3VCWjD7BdaG/#fight=1&type=damage-done

[lone junco]

Then resim best at 100k for weights.

[prime void]

can you givbe me a log

that you dont have 500 ms

[lapis jungle]

Actually no, since we started logging yesterday xD

[marsh marlin]

1.9m at 500ms

POGGERS

[lapis jungle]

What can I say xD haha

[prime void]

so your raid is trash

An d you have longer executes

So there ya go

[marsh marlin]

anything but 'xD haha'

[prime void]

it's not like ms matters that much for sin

we dont have a high apm, like at all

[lone junco]

Yeah. Dead people and shit dps.

Sim at 3min. Compare. Will be closer.

[lapis jungle]

Yeah but we are currently forming a guild. So like 70% is trials

[prime void]

yeah, it's not a bad thing

[orchid prawn]

ye outside mantle im so glad im playing sin on laggy nights 😄

[prime void]

if you're trying to parse

I'm still confused, how do you get hit by necrotic in vari by hitting the boss from the side?

Like, that's not how that encounter works, at all

[lone junco]

My 953 shoulder bracer is 1.99m. I do like 2.0 on normal with luck.

[marsh marlin]

talking more mythic

[prime void]

Yeah, me too

[marsh marlin]

if tank moves him too far back

[prime void]

So hold a global and reposition ?

Like if your shit is getting parried, you're just playing wrong

[lone junco]

It's not like a dfa party.

Parry

[prime void]

dfa parrys are just autism

[lone junco]

Tanks spin boss. Give me dfa parry. I rage.

[neat plover]

dfa parties are the best

[prime void]

can't avoid the dfa parries

[lone junco]

/dance

[prime void]

all the others are on you lol

[lone junco]

12m dfa down the shitter.

[prime void]

I still refuse to play sub for king

[lone junco]

I get mut parry about once a night.

[prime void]

like 100%

[lone junco]

And got an exang once. Rip.

[orchid prawn]

played sub for one pull, had no idea where i landed after DFA - never again

[prime void]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CautiousGentleFlamingoHumbleLife

like this bug

[loud hornet]

I have 201.13% of Mastery and 29% of crit but i think i don't have a lot of crit. It's right ?

[prime void]

Is still in on kin

I have like 22% crit. @loud hornet what build ?

[lone junco]

@loud hornet that's a good ratio for shoulder bracer.

Lol 22

Bleh

[vapid moth]

I’ve never seen a sub rogue with dfa higher than 20mill of their damage in a standard fight

[lone junco]

I guess with 3bb 3malch it wouldn't be as bad.

[vapid moth]

Every time I see sub rogues I just wanna curse them out cause even I could do better and I don’t play the spec

[lone junco]

I hit 17 the other day. Depends on how many you hit with storm.

It's not DFa damage. It's eviscerate.

Dfa is the aoe portion.

[vapid moth]

Oh

That makes me fee better

[lone junco]

The spinny move.

[vapid moth]

Why would they do that?

[lone junco]

That's what dfa is.

[prime void]

lol?

[lone junco]

A whirlwind and an eviscerate.

[prime void]

I hit 27mil dfas pretty consistent

Also @lone junco I sim 2.2 w/ that crit kek

[lone junco]

967?

[vapid moth]

Now I’m also glad I haven’t cursed out any sub rogues

[prime void]

967?

[lone junco]

Ilvl guess.

[prime void]

Yeah you're low

by a lot.

[lone junco]

Lol

[prime void]

6p is 966- bracers shoulders is 974 boots bracers non 6p is 973

[lone junco]

I'll prob hit 2.1 by 955-957

Lies. I'm used to my panth sims.

[prime void]

yucky

Why panth sim ?

[lone junco]

Still 1.99 as 0

I hope it scales with agi.

Push my ssf weight

And agi.

[orchid prawn]

cause panth sim is closest to real raid situation?

[lone junco]

Helps me decide on trinkets for 0panth vs 17

[vapid moth]

Question. Which armor slot(s) do you use as the ones without mastery. There must be at least one correct?

[orchid prawn]

i have full faith in raidbots/ our APL team

[lone junco]

No.

Crit mastery. Or tier.

Or oranges.

[vapid moth]

But there are 3 tier items without any mastery

[orchid prawn]

@lone junco mythic fang + panth/fang + titanforget EOC

most realistic imo

[lone junco]

Yeah.

No eoc yet.

Shouder glove t20

Rest t21

Pretty sure all those are mastery.

W/e

[vapid moth]

But

There are 3 t21 without any mastery

[orchid prawn]

t20 2pc + 4pc 4 t21 kinda blows my mind, i had them sim really close for a time but the burst from shoulders just seemed to overtake the reduced cd on vend in every real raid fight

[lone junco]

I wear hat. Cloak. Legs. Chest.

[vapid moth]

Then 2 of your 4 have no mastery

[lone junco]

Sure. The non tier. Spots are all crit mastery.

[vapid moth]

No they aren’t lol

[spark geyser]

So? Can't avoid it

[vapid moth]

Legs and cloak have no mastery

[lone junco]

Non tier?

The best I can get is like 28/185 shoulder bracer.

Else 47/130

[prime void]

You pretty much want to avoid shoulder and hand tier

[lone junco]

@orchid prawn exang is so smooth. 45 sec peaks. Less dependent on pb.

[prime void]

What are you asking @vapid moth

[vapid moth]

Yeah shoulder was a given

[sage shore]

quick question. I saw a rogue that announced when it went off and a count down till it ended. anyone know where I find info on this

[prime void]

how is hand tier not a given ?

Use your head xD

[sage shore]

sorry poison bomb that is

[vapid moth]

I’m wondering what tier pieces to use basically since there are 3 missing mastery

[prime void]

dont use

[vapid moth]

My hands are 960

[prime void]

shoulders

and hands

[marsh marlin]

all the ones w/ mastery

[lone junco]

T21 best. Are hat. Legs. Chest. Cloak.

[marsh marlin]

and then the pants

[orchid prawn]

@lone junco the phrase "less dependant on pb" got me super wet, legion hasnt treated us well

[prime void]

no @marsh marlin

That's wrong

[marsh marlin]

oh

no hands

my b

[prime void]

😃

[marsh marlin]

rofl

haste 🤢

[vapid moth]

I don’t think I’ll be taking off the hands soon. The Ilvl boost is nice

[lone junco]

That's fine.

When your sims say otherwise. Do that.

[vapid moth]

I pug a lot so

[orchid prawn]

975 TF hands ♿ and no luck on hc TF for head

[prime void]

https://gyazo.com/65dd726143209230f92e5f472fc2531e

Ideal tier

[lone junco]

I have 960 crit vers gloves. And t20 930?

990 tho

Love it.

[vapid moth]

Where are the gloves from

[prime void]

maw I believe?

[lone junco]

Those are crit mastery I think.

[vapid moth]

Yeah

[prime void]

1092-571

crit-mast

[lone junco]

Nice thing about not playing an alt. I have bags full of shit.

New fotm spec? Got it.

960 nibbler? Yay.

[vapid moth]

I have to start planning out my dungeon runs

[orchid prawn]

still saving that 890 convergance if its somehow bis again 😄

[prime void]

planning dungeon run ?

[lone junco]

I'll hunt down eoc this weekend.

[vapid moth]

@orchid prawn that’s not happening

[prime void]

I have 4 eoc's over 940

Want one ?

[lone junco]

Have a 925.

My 945 is =

[orchid prawn]

@vapid moth dont bring logic into this! 😄

[vapid moth]

If you guys ever find a group that does weekly dungeons on Saturday and need a rogue or something hook me up please

[lone junco]

Fang.

[vapid moth]

I don’t suck I promise

[gilded lark]

Yes you do

[vapid moth]

No broad

You can’t say that

[lone junco]

He did.

[gilded lark]

Doesn't use crippling poison in dungeons

[orchid prawn]

sorry i've seen broad shitpoast more in here, i take his word 😦

[vapid moth]

Lalalalalalalalalalala I can’t hear you

Hey I explained myself. When it’s necessary I do. When I have a reliable healer I will

[gilded lark]

Plays on moon guard

[prime void]

Why not just click cripping everytime you hit deadly

[orchid prawn]

ok insta decline in grp finder

[vapid moth]

There’s actually a story to that

I made the moon guard character last night after hearing my guild mate tell a story

[gilded lark]

Yeah buried deep under the gold shire inn

[lone junco]

Maybe next expac we will push mythic.

[vapid moth]

The place is horrid haha

[orchid prawn]

@prime void one time a tank yelled at me for doing it in a sanguine week 😦 i've been scarred

[prime void]

tell him he's a fucking mongo

[orchid prawn]

LUL

[gilded lark]

Tbf

On sang week I'd get mad too

But any other week

[prime void]

shouldnt be dragging mobs really for sang

any pull where the sanguine is going to be an issue

[gilded lark]

Yeah well pug groups don't kill all the adds at the same time

[prime void]

you should have a thunderstorm,typhoon,ring, etc

[gilded lark]

And not every pack has all mobs at same hp lol

So i end up draggin shit around

[orchid prawn]

ye pug logic // organized/smart logic

[prime void]

like there's so many things in this game that slow that you cant control

It's just a stupid thing to get tilted about

[vapid moth]

Also broad half my heroic logs are now purple. Not counting Argus cause I’ve only gotten one kill

[gilded lark]

But the one you can control

Is the one to tilt about

[orchid prawn]

"what is slowing the adds that much"? -"my passive poison" "well fucking turn it off" 😄

[gilded lark]

Like yeah if im frost and RW slows everything, can't really get pissy about that as it does dps

[dire spoke]

WAAAAAAAAAAT aeonaxx not sharable anymore

[gilded lark]

But crippling does not do dps lol

[vapid moth]

It does it you believe

[prime void]

yo so I wanna clarify

[orchid prawn]

omg you added noose disc you're too nice

[prime void]

I do not play dward

dwarf

[vapid moth]

Oh good

I was wondering

[prime void]

just realized I was coined

XD

[dire spoke]

what did I?

[vapid moth]

I’m so broke. Al I want is to be a velf

[prime void]

sell 15s

buy race change in one night

ez

[chilly plume]

Hello guys

[vapid moth]

I need a group

[haughty harness]

Hello

[prime void]

find someone to sell cross server with you

johnwei

your logs are nuttty.

[chilly plume]

can some 1 help me out ? i feel like im doing low dps in sim can some 1 check and help plz

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qyBqWegpWEDmiNw7ikeKGm

[vapid moth]

Hmmm

[prime void]

mfw you have a better SSF than me

.<

[chilly plume]

got lucky

[orchid prawn]

not having a mythic one by now LUL you're unlucky?

[chilly plume]

im siming 1.8 but some times i do 1.9 M

[vapid moth]

Who does

[chilly plume]

i reroled to rogue

[orchid prawn]

RL didnt want us to kill dogs 😭 taking away prog time for TF

[prime void]

see, I have a 960 eoc, so I passed 3 SSFs at the beggining of the tier

and now one hasnt dropped

And now we're done reclearing

so...

[orchid prawn]

oh yeah

all our melee skipped it so i got a mythic uncontested

feelsgud

[prime void]

we reclear through coven in 3 hours

but we just want the argus prog time now

[orchid prawn]

ye same for us for aggramar

coven is our death

[chilly plume]

is good having 190 % mastery ?

[orchid prawn]

@chilly plume i have 210, sim yoself

[haughty harness]

You need moar, mastery is godsent

[vapid moth]

I miss having 190

[haughty harness]

praise RNGjesus for more mastery

[chilly plume]

210 ?

[orchid prawn]

mastery scale alot, having a good neck vs meh neck is like 10% mast

[chilly plume]

still need 1 ring and 1 neck

[orchid prawn]

3 100 mast neck 😩 😩 idk what i would do without my weekly chest luck

prob grinding m+ to be real

[gaunt moat]

You see. i didn't lie. Giggle is a girl. confirmed.

[orchid prawn]

😮

[limber fog]

Hey Guys..new to sin from sub..whats the correct way to aoe in mythic+? opener etc

garrote > fok > rup > etc?

[orchid prawn]

get bleeds up so you're never energy starved, spend CP on rupt/env and pray for PB

[limber fog]

Assumed that..Is it worth it to rupture multiple targets or just primary?

[orchid prawn]

no idea tbh, i rupture 3-4 and garr maintarget then envenom whatever has most hp so pack dies about even

[limber fog]

Trying to get the most value out of shoulders as i can

[orchid prawn]

assuming it isnt an emergency and tank is dying ofc, where you want to take damage off the board

[still tangle]

Don't really use sin in m+ but typically I bring 5cp into a pull and envenom then set up ruptures while keeping envenom buff up

Don't like to garrote bc it doesn't give much cp and delays potential PBs /shrug

[orchid prawn]

yeah i always run subter, but in m+ i usually only use it to its fullest if i need to silence caster mobs to help tanks group up mobs

just more potential damage to bet on rupture/envenom globals

or FOK to build up to them

[limber fog]

I run sin in certain dungeons now like upper and eoe..just tired of the dfa bullshit..

so unpredictable

[lone junco]

Same. Dfa is dead to me.

That being said. I bet I could get >80 evisc crit. 🤔

[manic vigil]

lel

[orchid prawn]

guildmates i run m+ with seems to dislike when i blow up packs with cloak + dance, that plus more bossdamage as sin makes me go assasin 😄

[lone junco]

Cloak plus dance was fine. Dfa into a 10pack of sanguine was not.

@manic vigil that was my take on outlaw the whole time.

They make mastery up. Literally decide "hmmm" what would be good?

And they come up with shit.

[manic vigil]

that's from the affli guide 😏

made me lol tho

[orchid prawn]

😄 affli disc is a goldmine of salt nowadays i hear

[manic vigil]

the nerf isn't even that bad idk

[primal tangle]

Affliction

[sour wraith]

where can i find that google doc where i can import the crucible weight strings?

[orchid prawn]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/relics/1t-t21-rogue-assassination-mantle-bracers here is not the google doc you're referring to, but what i believe is the more up-to-date crucible improts (based on what tiersets/leges) you have

[sour wraith]

thanks

[prime void]

why do you guys cal it affli

Like why the L. All the locks I know have always called it affi

[turbid harbor]

what about aff

or a

or broken shitheads

[orchid prawn]

idk i like affli

[dire spoke]

like affiliation

[orchid prawn]

cant confuse it with anything else, aff makes me think of "as fuck" and affl sounds wrong

[prime void]

does anyone else really like coven as sin? Since it isn't braindead

[exotic glen]

maybe i would have an opinion if all melees werent benched on it 🤔

[granite widget]

powerful guild btw

[exotic glen]

holy shit

[turbid harbor]

coven is aids

i've killed it once

sat the others

[exotic glen]

i willingly sat when we began bringing 1 melee dps at a time because coven loot is shit

i'll get 1 kill after argus is dead and then sit on it for the rest of the raid

[plain thistle]

😂

not my guild , but what a close realm first : https://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/azralon

lol

[exotic glen]

not realm firsts but its the same for guild 4 and 5 https://www.wowprogress.com/pve/eu/kazzak

[plain thistle]

😛

[dense yew]

In M+ I find opening with a 5CP rupture then FoK > env > FoK > env gives great results. Opening with a finisher is the biggy - means 2 chances for PBs during mantle.

[plain thistle]

yes, you should do that 😛

its better than applying rupture with mantle buff

[dense yew]

Subter is good if your group doesn’t have many aoe stuns or belfs

[plain thistle]

and 10x better than wasting mantle duration with garrotes

[dense yew]

You can also open with env from stealth, but make sure you use Tricks first. Opening with a 7-8m env (assuming nightstalker) can rip aggro easily

[vapid moth]

how are you reliably getting 7-8 mill envenom as the first hit

like 7.4 is my maximum when i have prepot + Concordance + trinket proc

[lone junco]

If they open vend env. Conc procs on open some times. And NS crit.

And 973 ilvl.

Sounds too high for me. Prob at the tb vanish tho.

[tall pecan]

well my first two legendaries are shoulders boots for this rogue alt

not bad

[celest mirage]

how low of a cd can you get vendetta?

if you have triple ma relics and boots

[prime void]

naw

tichs is better for realm first

[slim estuary]

The only way to beat the mage tower is after you're dead. That's the real challenge

[prime void]

https://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/tichondrius/

[shy kestrel]

but illidank

was illidank before demonhunters

[vapid moth]

tich is for PvP lol.

[prime void]

that's why there's a 76 and 77 guild ?

Thunking

[vapid moth]

@lone junco im lucky to have a 50/50 concordance open proc. it honestly feels so rare

76 and 77? honestly irrelevent but ok. When i see tichondrious i think PvP not mythic raiding.

[royal hazel]

quick question guys

when i want a specific legendary, for example i need the shoulders

[vapid moth]

lol gluck getting it

[royal hazel]

im about to create a random one

now

[haughty harness]

Pray for Rngesus

[royal hazel]

does it matter what spec i am

when creating it?

[vapid moth]

no not really

[royal hazel]

hahaha

[haughty harness]

Your loot spec i think

[royal hazel]

yea thx xaethron

[haughty harness]

check it twice

[royal hazel]

i will

[vapid moth]

shoulders works for every spec Dex

[prime void]

how is top 100 world irrelevant

[haughty harness]

Yeah but let say he has all assa leggos

then assa loot spec would be better than outlaw or sub if he lacks a leggo there

[prime void]

21 us=irrelevant

[supple hearth]

Tich is a PvP realm tho
Illidan is the real PvP gone pve realm

[royal hazel]

nah the only legos i got so far is the neck, the belt the feet and the ring

[vapid moth]

2 guilds in top 100. some servers have 4+

[lone junco]

rip blackrock

[vapid moth]

see even giggle is backing me up on this one

[prime void]

tich is more PvE than it's ever been

[supple hearth]

Nah

[vapid moth]

completely false

[supple hearth]

It's still very much pvp

[prime void]

Never said that did I>

[supple hearth]

That doesn't mean people don't pve but

[thorny vector]

anyone have a weak aura for how many targets are effected by venomous wounds?

[vapid moth]

check the pvp top players. 3/10 from tichondrious

vs your 2 top 100 guilds

what is venemous wounds @thorny vector

[royal hazel]

i got the bracers ;/

[vapid moth]

bracers are god tier for sin

[echo cargo]

75% parse on varimathras using prydaz + doing bitch mechanics

feelsgoodman

[thorny vector]

energy for each poisoned target bled

[prime void]

I never said tich isnt a pvp server

Not sure where your disconnect is

[vapid moth]

im saying its known for pvp not pve

[prime void]

no shit

doesn't mean it's not more pve than it's ever been

[vapid moth]

ok den

[prime void]

saying its irrelevant for pve is just dumb

Nurfed has been a known guild for YEARS

[vapid moth]

meh

[prime void]

kek logic

[nimble tartan]

Tich is getting better and better for pve us

[prime void]

dont bother omr

hes an ape

[nimble tartan]

Think last time I checked they were 5th us server now for pve

Def higher from b4

[exotic glen]

if we evolved from apes, how is xaetrhon still here? 🤔

[prime void]

5th us ?

[exotic glen]

jk, no 🥄 pls

[prime void]

Not top 10 world- irrelevant

[supple hearth]

@prime void be nice

@exotic glen you too

[exotic glen]

is just friendly banter

[vapid moth]

i was thinking top 50 actually.

[nimble tartan]

Nurfed was top 50 in tos

When i was in it 🤤

[prime void]

Pc passes nurfed in BFA

no doubt imo

[scarlet tinsel]

Any assassination bfa footage out yet from Alpha?

[vapid moth]

alright

[prime void]

aren't you on MG?

[vapid moth]

no

[manic vigil]

@exotic glen mentioned evolution PogChamp as a murican 😮 There is hope yet

not much but I take it

[exotic glen]

im not a fucking burger mate

i just cant sleep like the deprived european i am

[manic vigil]

you are not?

my bad

[vapid moth]

lol

[manic vigil]

so we lost all america to the BrokeBack christians

F

[vapid moth]

not as bad as having people think you play on MG @exotic glen

[exotic glen]

mal'ganis?

[vapid moth]

moon guard

[prime void]

thought I saw someone earlier say something about mg in your regard

my b

[vapid moth]

yeah you also missed my explanation for htat

[prime void]

only human

[vapid moth]

the character is still in trial. i had to witness the infamy for myself

[wise frigate]

Yay

[quick ice]

very nice

[prime void]

I feel like I should link my 975 one

[wise frigate]

Our king shitter got it, gave it up for roll, one of our ex-members rolled a 98 on it and made me sad.

[prime void]

But I won't be that guy

[wise frigate]

Then he gave it to me cause he said I deserved it.

[prime void]

good

[royal hazel]

nice1 ^^

[exotic glen]

for being a gud boi

[wise frigate]

Like lookit this shit. That Ele shaman was the one who got it. Guess who died in P1

[quick ice]

the hunter?

[wise frigate]

Eyup. Every pull tonight.

Every. Single. Pull.

[prime void]

but turtle

[quick ice]

turtle can't save you from dumb though

[wise frigate]

^

Turtle can't save you from having Soulblight and not anticipating the cone after you die by it every time.

[manic vigil]

haha

[vapid moth]

woah chill that cone can be fucking mean

[quick ice]

our buffs always fall in the cone because???

[manic vigil]

I just did it in LFR with my shitty 930 affli lock and also pulled 1,02 mil dps! I'll fite your guys!

lfr is such a brilliant thing to do btw

[prime void]

we have cloak

[manic vigil]

always a pleasure

[prime void]

makes argus trivial lol

[manic vigil]

no sarcasm

at all

[prime void]

Yeah lfr is fun. I enjoy doing 48% of the dmg.

[quick ice]

there were 3 people over 1mil in the LFR I just did (kin/vari/coven)

[manic vigil]

that's pretty good actually

😄

[quick ice]

yeah, I was amazed

we didn't even wipe!

[manic vigil]

😮

they always die on kin

I don't know how and why but I have yet to oneshot him in lfr

[vapid moth]

as a boss i really love kin

[prime void]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/36v8yzR92VZGmhLK#fight=last&type=damage-done

[vapid moth]

theres just something about seeing a 12mill enevenom

[prime void]

I think this was my fav lfr

[quick ice]

other than ballmageddon at the end of mythic, I really like it too

[prime void]

wiped like 6 times

nothing like 32M dfas on kin

[quick ice]

my LFR group was super pissed off because somehow I wound up leader as the only OCE player

so they all lagged

[vapid moth]

why do you guys do lfr

is the titan forge chance that good?

[quick ice]

I had my mythic order hall cache

[vapid moth]

oh thatll do it

i just wait for raid night for that tbh

[quick ice]

we already did our clear

and I'm impatient

[vapid moth]

so? the quest doesnt go away

[prime void]

I do lfr for leggo chance and tf chance

[vapid moth]

only get mine like once every 10 days too

[prime void]

everyone gets theres every 10 days

[vapid moth]

now i feel a bit better

[quick ice]

was worth it, too

[vapid moth]

lol rip

[prime void]

haste?

yuck

[vapid moth]

thats a joke of a waist

[quick ice]

I know, but somehow still an upgrade from 960 crit/mastery 😐

[vapid moth]

raidbots lied i swear

[prime void]

naw

pk belt is meh

(kidding)

[quick ice]

game loves giving me haste

[vapid moth]

It's yet to drop for me 😦

[quick ice]

I got the 960 one the other week when we had it and a 965 drop

[wise frigate]

PK has a belt?

[vapid moth]

Like 10 weeks doing that fucking boss and no portal keepers cincture

[wise frigate]

[quick ice]

allegedly

[prime void]

it's literally called

[wise frigate]

I don't believe you.

[prime void]

Oh

Lol

[wraith edge]

!guide

[quick ice]

its like how doggos drop a trinket

[wraith edge]

!help

[chrome tusk]

!simc, !outlawguide, !singuide, !subguide, !enchants, !relics, !trinkets

[wise frigate]

zoom

[wraith edge]

!singuide

[chrome tusk]

Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[wise frigate]

See that one I know exists.

[onyx rock]

!vagina

[quick ice]

our ret got a 980 and keeps waving it at me

[wise frigate]

Still using my 945 with speed haha

Jesus.

[quick ice]

while using a 935 scourgewing

[vapid moth]

Lmao

[quick ice]

I actually have a 945 fang with speed too

[vapid moth]

The trinket or the belt?

[quick ice]

twinsies!

[vapid moth]

I still like leech more than speed

[wise frigate]

Nah the trinket.

[prime void]

hwo does your ret not have a higher seeping

I think I ret has killed vari 2x more from brolling it

[wise frigate]

I wish it were leech but I've only had 3 SSFs, all 945, one with speed.

[prime void]

our ret *

[vapid moth]

Seeping drops like Once per 50 people

[quick ice]

our ret is an unlucky dude.

[prime void]

how are you juding a drop based on ppl

tf ?

[wise frigate]

Meanwhile our tank bonus rolled a 970 Seeping in heroic.

[quick ice]

our MT got a mythic injector last week

ranged DPS mad

[vapid moth]

That's how many times I see it? Boss loot is more likely to drop the more people there are?

[wise frigate]

Lul