ok nice ty
#assassination
wary plank
cursive hatch
I'm playing red healer for Agg. its boring lol
strange python
oh shit, they made u swap to dk? dang
cursive hatch
I was prepping my dk for awhile just in case
dire spoke
just in case they need a healer
zenith ruin
What legendaries are you guys using?
spare cloud
Yes
cursive hatch
tanks don't die even when specced into dps builds though, I just heal myself while soaking the cleaves and healers get to worry about the rest
cursive hatch
my assassination sim is within 100k of my outlaw sim w/ 0 trinkets 😦 do not want
strange python
ive just been sticking with sin for now, recent sim is this https://i.imgur.com/TpHRaFd.png
cursive hatch
I like the ridiculousness of SND with pantheon proc
strange python
yea that shit is really good, now imagine that plus a frond trinket
cursive hatch
still don't have a frond and I passed the 970 SSW to our ret
strange python
if i had a nice ilvl frond, i would play OL
lone junco
eww.
cursive hatch
not like I would be using the trinket anyways, I'm on my dk 😛
dire spoke
can you DM about your strange fetish or something
lone junco
Ill take that orange trinket tho for some quality sin meeming.
I would just be DM myself
cursive hatch
my current sim for outlul
strange python
fuckin nice
Wow my sim for shoulder+bracers and boots+bracers is virtually the same
dire spoke
I should try otl, got a haste>versa 970 neck today
solemn vapor
Guys, one question. Is it worth it to pass 200% of mastery
quick talon
yes
hoary copper
As long as you're not sacrificing too much of your other stats
solemn vapor
Cuz i'm at 198%
mental aurora
It’s a flat dmg boost to your main damage source, so yeah
lone junco
depends on crit and shoulders.
cursive hatch
tfw you tell people there is no magic mastery amount you should have
strange python
I'm sure he understands that mastery is good
lone junco
if you have too much mastery and shit crit, youll be empty e/cp
strange python
but 200% is not a magic number
you know what I mean
you can never have too much stats https://i.imgur.com/cL45DKY.png
lone junco
255 is cheats.
hoary copper
that's a lot of mastery
strange python
more than 10k crit is pushing into exsang territory
lone junco
EPTB 💪
dire spoke
17% haste LUL
solemn vapor
Thats dark side for me
dire spoke
oh nvmd
solemn vapor
😬😏
cursive hatch
Look at these sick stats
on a serious note, my sin gear is like, 175% mastery, 15% vers, and the rest is pretty much crit and like 3% haste lol
strange python
I always wanted to know what my Attack Power was
lone junco
@cursive hatch that made me ill for a sec, but remembered you were snd.
strange python
mine if i remove the broken shores buff https://i.imgur.com/AyrbZtV.png
also, your font done bugged out just below your item level
cursive hatch
haha, yeah
lone junco
your crit makes me sad.
cursive hatch
you almost have as much vers as me and you aren't outlul
strange python
https://i.imgur.com/3Xr53hp.png what i usually use
my vers stat weight almost outweights crit 🤔
lone junco
whew.
cursive hatch
I don't have my sin stuff saved and I'm at work. Believe I was simming just above 2 mil with my 69 trait weapon
lone junco
thats typ for shoulder bracer around 30crit
cursive hatch
only have helm + shoulders though
strange python
yeah and I have 37% crit anyway
lone junco
I think this is my week for a 950 EOC
lone junco
blue is mastery vers.
quick talon
the kara ring
nimble tartan
211 mastery pogchamp
strange python
does that memento trinket seem okay? I've never used it but the proc seems so short
hoary copper
That crit though 😦
quick talon
memento is chilled on argus
nimble tartan
im using a 970 memento its nice
strange python
ive been trying to get the kingaroth ring
nimble tartan
id rather have a similiar doggo trinket tho
strange python
killed him on norm, mythic, heroic. nothing
strange python
and a 1/3rd chance to proc haste is kinda gross
quick talon
jack you wanna see my kin garoth ring? 😉
nimble tartan
for sin do u want to have a vendetta up for every vanish?
quick talon
@strange python https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/405749803503321092/unknown.png
nimble tartan
hehe please respond me noob
manic vigil
Gimme
lone junco
@nimble tartan I save vendetta for execute
strange python
jealous
lone junco
keep an eye on Omen threat. when you get to the top, vanish garrote
quick talon
delaying vanish or vendetta highly depends on the ttk i guess
strange python
In general you want to save vanish for vendetta.
lone junco
👀
strange python
Unless the time till death dictates otherwise
nimble tartan
ill never delay a vendetta unless almost execute but vanish im more open to holding, ive been in situations where im like ok my vanish up and my vendetta up in like 20-25 sec
quick talon
so just what i said ek
nimble tartan
so im like what do
lone junco
ok. real q or troll still?
nimble tartan
real q
lone junco
ok start over
quick talon
you can easily delay vanish if it doesnt change the amounts of remaining vendetta
lone junco
I have one from last night actually.
desync of vendetta and vanish. wound up with 30 sec left, but 45 sec to vendetta. just pool up and vanish for something > nothing.
strange python
30 seconds left of what?
lone junco
if you are bracer boot, vanish is less important. but shoulder bracer vanish shouldnt be fucked with.
ttd
nimble tartan
ok so you're saying with shoulders i should just rip the vanish without waiting for my vendetta given that its not execute etc
lone junco
no.
nimble tartan
monkaS
quick talon
esp with shoulders its better to use with vendetta
unless that will cost you another vanish use
lone junco
throughout the whole fight vendetta vanish is MOST of your burst.
if you have 2vendet and the timing gets off.
thats where it gets weird.
your 2nd vendetta will be ready and end prior to 2nd vanish.
nimble tartan
dont delay vendetta, but okayish to delay vanish for vendetta coming back up in reasonable time where it wont cuck u 1 cast of vanish
lone junco
yes.
strange python
Sucks if you are like my guild and our kill times for patchwerk are always ~4:15 or something.
lone junco
so what happs with 2 MA relics, is the vendetta ends, and vanish is ready. then you hold vanish for like 50sec.
thats why it loses sim value.
lone junco
if the fight ends short, you fucking pool up with a vanish TBKB - vendet
nimble tartan
cause i was like is it really worth holding vanish that long
doing shit with my new guild so i didnt know their boss timings so i was more unsure
lone junco
i use iron vendor
nimble tartan
im 6/7 malch 5/7 master assasin truly scuffed
strange python
that's not 2 MA relics
nimble tartan
also was gnerally my first time doing the other mythic bosses as sin so i was just learning timings
since i did them all other than argus as sub lul
lone junco
ill find a solid log.
nimble tartan
i still love sub cmon
strange python
I thought he was making a joke at "solid log"
lone junco
the peak there isnt that great due to pb window. but the vendet vanish alignment is
strange python
aren't there adds on mythic varimathras 🤔
nimble tartan
ye but sin aint gonna switch to them
lone junco
@nimble tartan if that fight were only 2:00 - 2: 40 you can vanish at a TBKB
torn token
sins hitting adds in vari omegalul
nimble tartan
unless ur group scuffed
torn token
only way your ever going to hit that add is with a lucky pb
nimble tartan
i see noobe ty for helpin me im noob 😃
nimble tartan
i just play whats good okkk
strange python
scuffed group leads to sin rogue (me) doing most add dmg on mythic vari for our kill https://i.imgur.com/3m1ruvA.png
torn token
thats pretty bad
strange python
yikes
lone junco
depending on gear, bracerboots is nice too
strange python
says me, having never done mythic varimathras
our next kill im gonna have a talk with them
torn token
i mean the add has like 30 mil hp
nimble tartan
whats that mage doing
nimble tartan
should be poppin off
torn token
add that came up
strange python
maybe he died
viscid helm
strange python
if i dont hit them they get casts off
strange python
i know
torn token
fury/ele shit on those adds
cursive hatch
tbh I'm surprised you even killed it if sin is topping adds
nimble tartan
hehe
strange python
OL god izzi
nimble tartan
its ok in bfa outlaw will be god tier for first tier
nimble tartan
is dat snd
cursive hatch
yeah
lone junco
yeah. none for me.
cursive hatch
pantheon meme
torn token
10% omegalul
cursive hatch
less than 10, but is also dependant on raid comp
plain thistle
2%-3%, although our raid dont have full pantheon trinket
missing a 1 healer and one tank
lone junco
yeah. mine is floating around 2.5%
plain thistle
ofc im talking about mythic, so only 20 players 😛
cursive hatch
ideally, good spread of trinkets, a couple amanthuls, and me being the only agi trinket
lone junco
ah. we are like 17-18 trinkets.
carmine flare
Not sure if I should ask this in the sub or sin channel, but decided on this. Just wondering what some of you would do. Basically, I got a 985 relic last night that is a 1.4% increase (roughly 30k), but it does not have MA, Malch, or BB traits. I currently have three Malch traits and realize down the line it's ideal to replace this new relic with 3 MA. On sub, which I play for m+, the increase is larger at 1.7%, at includes a BiS weakpoint trait. Posting raidbot sims below. Essentially, just wondering if you'd put in the sub weapon since no Malch or Mass traits are in it and because it sims higher for sub than sin. Sin sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rw1UdehxacZtUDmTAWPpzk Sub sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rZT2vSRZsheYJ3N5g3MrJp
cursive hatch
disc priest and warrior with amanthuls RIP
lone junco
@plain thistle did you check out that angelcry log we were roasting?
plain thistle
nah, what is special about it?
plain thistle
brb
lone junco
@plain thistle top heroic gorathi. was high crit 0ma boots. vendet tb kb. +3env. repeat.
really really good.
2.88M with avg bombs.
strange python
+3 env? you mean the trait?
lone junco
@ artasia 1.4% is real. is it BB/Env?
No. 3 envenoms during the TB.
6 sec 3 x 4cp+env
carmine flare
yeah, I know. Why I'm hesitating
lone junco
if you arent trying to nail down 3x vendetta, i would prob take it. I like 3vend + boots, so i really hesitate to replace
sly depot
if i have the envenom buff and new 5 cp . do i insta use envenom again or wait untill the buff runs out to have more upptime on the buff ?
lone junco
@sly depot depends.
strange python
wtf happened at 12 seconds in this log?
lone junco
during shoulder you want 3 env.
strange python
lone junco
lagged logger, or edited timeline
@sly depot during KB you want to clip the ends, to maintain the buff during KB.
carmine flare
yeah that's why im hesitating, because this will make it impossible to achieve 3x vendetta or malch
but thanks for your input
cursive hatch
5 envenom casts in 3 seconds lol
velvet wedge
I miss ambush
strange python
log should be taken down
lone junco
once they get the apl down for that delay, then the talents will smooth out
that is a 15M kb
strange python
were they using shoulders?
lone junco
15m
strange python
if not then I don't why why pressing tb and then kb is magically so good and so hard.
pure jackal
my 4 set bleed sims higher than 4set poison or 2set4set bleed
this feels so painful to play with garrote downtime after xsang
lone junco
then dont.
manic vigil
nice chest 👌
lone junco
zing
manic vigil
#ragequit
lone junco
bracer boot 2p4p is the ideal exang. if you arent using that, then just stay shoulder bracer poison or bracer boot.
my 0p4p exang is like a 10k gain. but it kinda sucks.
gilded lark
If it sims 50k higher the sims say it's worth it
50k is nothing to kick rocks at. Even if it feels like shit
lone junco
sure. but your gear might be able to shift around and find gains in a less shitty build.
pure jackal
yea performs better too so i have to run it until i can get a boot or wrist leggo
strange python
noobe, in that angelcry log you posted for example, how do you show the casts of tb/kb/etc on the top of the screen like that?
lone junco
click the + on the right of the cast display
strange python
ah. thanks.
lone junco
those debuffs are from the debuf cast by friendly
fierce widget
Anyone able to assist me with checking gear and finding out what i am possibly doing wrong my dps doesnt seem to be as high as i think it should be. Thanks
lone junco
not comparable nvm.
@fierce widget if you run raidbots.com and you are within 5% of your sim avg, you are close. and we can help you. If you are like 1/2 then, thats a different q
fierce widget
ok how do i run that?
strange python
do you have any logs
fierce widget
they logged our raid from last night but other than that im not sure
strange python
you can post them and we can take a look for anything out of the ordinary
fierce widget
ok let me see if i can grab them
torn token
ALPHA IS OUT
fierce widget
strange python
what kind of magic did this person do to peak higher at 1 min vs vanish time https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/b6rZG1QqjLhRF9Dy#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=1
pure jackal
soz wrong discord
jovial kite
golganneth
lone junco
1min
jovial kite
poisonbomb
hoary copper
That was a scary face
jovial kite
buffs
supple hearth
🤔
strange python
yea there's no rogue in those logs
lone junco
fierce widget
Not sure why i wasnt on there
strange python
even if you get rid of pb it is higher
lone junco
no vanish just a goodkb.
strange python
but i see the tailbuff now though
fierce widget
😦 ok so i got no logs then
strange python
type in your character name in the logs search
strange python
also those logs aren't from last night, so maybe you were a week behind
hoary copper
What is your character name/server/area (NA or EU)? We could also look
Maybe no one uploaded them?
strange python
no he has some
fierce widget
thebamakids/Zul'gin/US
warm parcel
Wanna see rogue alpha?`
strange python
no
hoary copper
I saw that after I typed oops
jovial kite
@warm parcel
jovial kite
are you streaming
lone junco
@fierce widget read the guide
glass quest
is this any good?
hollow trail
Yes
manic vigil
yeah
strange python
it is decent
fierce widget
no just what i am pushing i have no macros
manic vigil
gucci crown
lone junco
ok kiddo. SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
strange python
@fierce widget you should be using vanish right after toxic blade there
lone junco
warm parcel
@jovial kite hop on voip
strange python
i simmed the meme set i made with mantle/wrists with the stats being 18/4/20/201 https://i.imgur.com/miBEPmh.png only a 30k loss lol https://i.imgur.com/3AjAlLq.png
lone junco
@strange python step back a sec. zoom out.
strange python
oh god
manic vigil
implying a stalker like me doesn't follow him already 🤔
manic vigil
why not
you love testing shit all the time anyway
might as well put it to good use instead of just annoying us
Kappa
fierce widget
I am attempting that opener but i seem to be slipping on it
rapid flame
anyone got some bis trinkets for assa (charts) top5,10 or smthing? :b
lone junco
@fierce widget real q is your buddy
@ Slicedbread
I think hes playing like outlaw
strange python
that number squish though 👀
fierce widget
im confused
strange python
how
fierce widget
oh ok that rogue you just posted isnt me
fierce widget
lol
manic vigil
are you "working" rn noobe? 😄
manic vigil
:DDDDD
fierce widget
thats why im here i need some help
lone junco
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
read that like 3 times.
front to back
velvet wedge
I do 200k more than my sim tells me, is that normal?
hardy dagger
velvet wedge
The poison bomb does speaketh
crimson coyote
Alright so I'm finally breaking down and admitting I'm bad and I need some help. I've read the website like 10 times a week just incase things change and I've had help reviewing logs but nothings really improved all that much. I tend to be the one making call outs in raids as back up so I think that might be a reason I'm slipping and I'm 90% sure I'm just mis-using my combo points and I know theres certain points in my opener I'm screwing up on but it would be nice to have a rogue tell me what I'm doing wrong instead of my boomkin friend trying to help me compare logs. So ya if someones willing to help thank you https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/venòm https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/illidan/venòm
lone junco
good mog tho
crimson coyote
ty 😄
manic vigil
why does the apl not vanish until 55s into the fight btw noobe? I just realized this xd (boots/bracers)
strange python
I would if logs wasnt a fucking nightmare to load on mobile. In any case it is good to have the initiative to improve. Most bad players dont even realize it
crimson coyote
I mean I like to hid it but I'm gm in my guild and if I'm expecting people to pull numbers I need to as well. I spend time on the practice dummies every day but once I get into the fight im like HER DURRRR
spark pond
Guys, I'm using FoK to get 1cp in ST when I have 4cps...So I can use envenom always with 5 cp....Should I keep using this tatic, or it's a waste of energy/dmg, using FoK for the extra cp?
orchid cove
no
lone junco
@crimson coyote tbh, if you read the guide and get the basics, its best to think about them in buff windows. like TB up prior to the vanish for 100% crit buffing.
orchid cove
dont
lone junco
@spark pond fok is in the apl for 5,6,7 pk relics.
you should not have any pk relics
but if you do, meh
spark pond
The other rogue in my core told me to use that...I tried, and not sure if worked fine or not, so I'm curious
crimson coyote
thank you noobe for taking the time to look 😃
lone junco
@crimson coyote SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
spark pond
So, It's fine to use Envenom with 4 Cps and not using FoK for full 5?
lone junco
@spark pond the crit bonus to mut at 55s is >> the 1/2 cp for 35 e from fok.
grim trellis
hey fellas. is it a DPS increase to drop Rupture during Kingsbane in order to keep Envenom buff up?
orchid cove
@grim trellis it should never happen tbh
lone junco
@grim trellis try to refresh before. lots of sin is planning better.
spark pond
Ok, so I'll stop using FoK and use Envenom with +4 at least them
thanks
Also...was checking logs and looking into Ravenholdt guide...Envenom > KB > TB...them Mult > Env > Mult > Env until TB wears off?
velvet wedge
TB before KB methinks
grim trellis
thanks
soft island
What I do. I poison knife during kB when 4cp.feelcrafts right
spark pond
TB Before KB? I'm using that...but I saw some top parses using KB > TB, so, I'm not sure
lone junco
@soft island gotta keep that AP up. and if alacrity is about to drop it is ok to rupture early.
strange python
Noobe giving actual advice 🤔 I like it
strange python
They grow up so fast
soft island
Noobe feels me 😗
spark pond
Kk, I'll try that today
strange python
🍆
lone junco
still progress
soft island
Can we pin dat alacrity advice so all ppl can see the epicness?
lone junco
oh man.
i got like 20dm an hour about the NSDP bug.
i cant wait for the Alacrity memes
strange python
@gaunt moat touch my 🍆 😘
spark pond
what happened to alacrity?
lone junco
it is there with vanish cheapshot.
gaunt moat
i don't want to get STDs
manic vigil
🤢
strange python
Whats the best rogue spec?
lone junco
🥘
lone junco
good q.
gaunt moat
You TB after pickpocket
strange python
ANY ROGUE GUIDES?????
unreal coyote
how to poisonbobs
gaunt moat
vanish > pickpocket > TB
manic vigil
Yes
strange python
🤨
crystal fox
do i wait with tb until kb is ready?
do i hold vanish for vendetta?
what pullrotation do i use with shoulders?
strange python
I meant with the deadly poison bug. People losing their minds
manic vigil
Yes
strange python
WHAT IS OPENER
manic vigil
Yes
lone junco
I love that log so much
strange python
@vestal wren gave us a APL line to test it ourselves
lone junco
I really do
strange python
Ofc
lone junco
does that 0ma boot vendett tb kb apl exist?
lone junco
k. that was fok
strange python
Forgot his name
strange python
He got rejected from a mythic guild cause he didnt hold tb for kb
lone junco
they probably checked my raiderio
lone junco
and since I only run upper over and over and over and over
shrewd oriole
pogchamp
lone junco
2.88 stack nerd
strange python
Couldnt stop laughing when I heared that
lone junco
nice deeps tho
lone junco
heroic stack?
shrewd oriole
yeah ahaha
soft island
Much community. Such toxic.
lone junco
unreal coyote
i got an eoc today on my 5th upper of the morning
was a fucking 940 tho
useless to me
soft island
I saw shaman d/e one 965 eoc in front of me. Cuz i said his dps sux
unreal coyote
what you get for being an asshole
vapid moth
soft island
Crystal apperently
unreal coyote
imagine had you not said anything
he mightve given it to you
i guess being salty increases your dps more tho
vapid moth
nah. the rng is how legit everything lined up for the third ad
crystal fox
you did good
lone junco
does anyone actually do damage to the boss
vapid moth
its so easy to do dps when you have a raid lead that lets you go where you want
shrewd oriole
feels bad man
vapid moth
like i dont see why we should keep al lthe dps on 2 ads if half the dps ends up travelling to another add halfway through
lone junco
yeah. you are where we are with overkill
lone junco
ideally the add dies like 1-3 sec after they activate.
vapid moth
thats exactly the issue
lone junco
we started peeling off like 3dps for the 3rd.
vapid moth
my group is like "alright we got it down on heroic" yet they dont wanna prepare for mythic
lone junco
1st burst is much higher than 2nd and 3rd.
next week, ill have 2 warlocks and a marks on 3rd.
they should be able to get it sub 50%
vapid moth
we still have people who havent done argus on normal. yet we are gonna go straight to heroic.i get that we are capable but its so much easier if youve done it on normal first
lone junco
normal argus trinket is like 50k dps per click for me.
vapid moth
@lone junco i was getting it to sub 50% by myself
vapid moth
the overkill is real in my guild
lone junco
you require a healer in range.
yadda yadda. and bracer so you want to finish a mob, not start it
vapid moth
huh
clear prairie
So im a brand new rogue and i got the cloak as my first legendary. What's the best time to use fok on single target? Wait for 30 stacks or sometime earlier?
lone junco
shoulder boot aligns nicely.
vapid moth
i am well aware
strange python
Is it acceptable to get to 150% mastery to get 40% crit ?
raidbot is telling me I will gain dps
gilded lark
Crit is good. Mast is good.
vapid moth
then do it
gilded lark
Weights are nearly the same for a lot of people
vapid moth
you will eventually get more mastery
strange python
oh well
vapid moth
it hurts but id do it
strange python
😦
patent topaz
my shoulders + bracers sims 20k more than boots bracers with 4p 2p
lone junco
pretty sure i got to solo this last one.
patent topaz
do I play shoulders
lone junco
patent topaz
I cba
lone junco
made for a solid run
strange python
thanks guys
vapid moth
by source is the standard 😛
hoary copper
That is quite the spike in damage
vapid moth
damage by ability is interesting. the lock holds 4 of the top 10 spots for damaging abilities
urban storm
Alpha 🤗
strange python
I chcked some logs but did not find a singular pattern
hoary copper
Mastery + Crit are generally your better 2 stats verse is somewhere up there then at the way bottom is haste. Trust sims tho
grizzled panther
but 215% mastery and 26% crit
its just all the other rogues i see is around 120% +
urban storm
Yes
strange python
Who is the 'it' telling you to get more
grizzled panther
Stat weights when im simming
urban storm
Why would it lie?
strange python
Mastery will always be highest. The weights dont tell you that you need "more" of anything
hoary copper
Just tells you what is most valuable to your current set at this moment
I dont think I've anyone (except Noobe) with around 120% mastery, I've seen more 170%+ than lower. All depends on other stats, especially crit
I think Noobe had like 128% but like 47% crit
vapid moth
is there an enchant for cloaks that gives 200 mastery?
eager kernel
spice surge
@vapid moth No only 200 agi, but there is WOD enchants which are 100 mastery and 2% ms
dire spoke
getting somewhere https://snag.gy/W6HOgy.jpg
jovial kite
join the bloodsaid
lone junco
@jovial kite finally ditched my pk. so 3ma bb dp env. have some work to do, but in a good spot.
@hoary copper yeah i have a few ranges. 47/121 to 29/185
and no one else has 120 lol
but me.
hoary copper
Yea I was just goin by what was posted earlier heh
lone junco
I dont have the ilvl to do it all.
hoary copper
Elaborate planning instead of master poisoner?
dire spoke
@lone junco would you mind using my topgear paste and see if I'm overlooking a better setup
strange python
Look closer
dire spoke
shush
lone junco
@dire spoke send me the stuff
golden radish
Hey, quick question, should I go for Bracers or the boots if aiming for a new leggo? Got Prydaz + Insignia currently
golden radish
Was not sure if they're still BiS since Herodamage has other combinations parsing higher
fossil slate
Got s cheeky 965 EoC today. But on my DK
calm grail
My 960 fang only sims 5k higher than my 940 EoC.
hardy pewter
if you see something simming higher on lists, its a safe bet to trust that rather than someone here...
exotic geode
😄
lone junco
sure. but lists dont remind you that sphincter sucks on boss movement fights. 👌
and glaives are garbage if the tank wont fucking stop moving.
but that's feelycraft
dire spoke
@golden radish well you get what you get 😄 start planning if you have options
golden radish
@hardy pewter I think you misunderstood, I don't mean to question what people here say, I was merely unsure and wanted to ask
@dire spoke True, I have been pretty unlucky in terms of leggos on my Rogue, hoping I get something worthwhile next
lone junco
Sounds like fun^7
lone junco
👌
onyx falcon
o.o why is mass ahead of malch again now?
vestal wren
wait noobe has alpha?
gaunt moat
he's friends with Ion
lone junco
prob tonight.
placid dawn
Hey guys, if i have 3 combo polnts, should i always mut? or is it maybe better to get a quick FoK in for quick cp?
civic palm
I also might have it within 48hrs.
gaunt moat
@civic palm but seriously, well, you can check the right side, you can see 3 people there are already in alpha
(at least)
civic palm
Eh people can edit that stuff and have it turned off so I don't look usually.
People editing it to make it look like they are on alpha to get people to click through > _> might become a thing
vestal wren
yes first alpha wave is out, if you are not in well you are not^^
civic palm
Yeppers
gaunt moat
fuu is so toxic 😦
bleak tusk
<-- will be streaming tonight
lone junco
I only care about ptr like 3 -5 weeks before launch tbh.
bleak tusk
we'll do a bunch of testing on the dummies, hooray boring TC stuff
lone junco
yay
lone junco
CT exang is aoe right?
civic palm
"nerf"
lone junco
😃
jovial kite
you should just delete poison role
to honor our tc'ers
because at a quick glance the tc people look like normal poison bois
gaunt moat
done
civic palm
Look the TCer's are even psuedo-green you fuck!
gaunt moat
you keep saying that, and they'll take away poison role for reals
jovial kite
:DDD
civic palm
l o l
jovial kite
i saw that 👀
vestal wren
@bleak tusk have fun 😃
bleak tusk
Thanks. Will probably "take viewer requests" too, if you want to play vicariously.
First up: naming my rogue - what should I pick?
vestal wren
it sayed 40gb requirement -.-
gaunt moat
@bleak tusk synecdochrogue
civic palm
l o l
vestal wren
lets all name ourselfs Aethys with a special char
bleak tusk
I'm into it.
vestal wren
Àethys, Áethys, Âethys .....
bleak tusk
Can I claim Æ
vestal wren
aren't names restricted to not contain special chars?
bleak tusk
Not on live? They might be on alpha.
civic palm
Here's hoping...
bleak tusk
My character's name on live has a diaresis, at least.
vestal wren
i am still mad that the name "fuu" is not possible on live
patent topaz
which talents / leggos do people use for bleed build?
my mastery is pretty low and vers high because of sub gear
lone junco
bracer boot . small blurb on it in the guide
lone junco
963 ilvl?
patent topaz
yeah
lone junco
bleed would be like 45 crit +eoc/fang 120-130 m
3vendetta relics
2p4p is verynice. not manditory
patent topaz
I do have 2p4p changed two relics today, got alch ma blood from mythic portal keeper and 975 toxic blades + balanced blades iron
1,989,378 DPS which is 5k more than my 2p 4p bracers boots poison build
lone junco
yeah. if you dont have 3vendetta/bracer/boot just start collecting crit.
it is really awful with desync vendettas
patent topaz
I was just curious
lone junco
i like it. just takes a bit to get the stuff together
calm grail
You know what feels pretty bad? World breaker Mythic my Vendetta always seems to come up about 5 seconds before a cannon comes out.
patent topaz
ill play sub on non downtime bosses I think
calm grail
And whenever I use it on a Canon, the damn things feel like the die in 5 seconds
patent topaz
im sad that the mongo spec does more damage even if you fuck up
its nighthold all over again
torn token
using vendetta on cannon 🤢
drowsy kettle
Wish I could do more dmg I only do 1.3m sim
drowsy kettle
I bearly get any poison bomb procs
patent topaz
for 963 gear I think a 2m sim is pretty low. My sub sims 2.04, assa 1.984
shrewd oriole
ToS M anyone? EU
got a run going, dont think this counts as self advert but yolo
just trynna be a bro
calm grail
Stop trying to poach me Tom.
shrewd oriole
if anyone needs any 👍
monkaS
Yeah
like 60% guildie
it's tos
there's only 9 bosses
nah
6
fuck KJ lul
mistress easy tho
torn token
only maiden + needs coordination
runic crescent
torn token
better off using cloak on sleep
torn token
the nature damage debuff from
bombs?
pretty sure you still keep the debuff, you just dont explode if you pop alot
during cloak
fast depot
you get stunned but don't take the damage, aye
normal plover
Cloak allows you to pop mines and get propelled into the side of the bridge and not die
midnight latch
poached egg
lone junco
Pulling argus tonight. Hope it goes well. I forgot to watch vids.
midnight latch
featureing tom
timber crow
What is better for dps, play around keeping up envenom buff or play keeping 2p t21 buff up? (Sry bad english,)
lone junco
Focus on Kb.
finite cipher
@timber crow envenom and Virulent Poisons have same duration at 4cp
tacit ferry
hello (sorry for bad english)
eager hearth
Lol
ancient fiber
Hi (also sorry for bad london)
slim estuary
I asked last night but no one could help. so im rerolling sin and wanted to know how to improve my play? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rpMmFcTNYtDL2WPH/
lone junco
Run your raidbots average. If you are more than 5% below that, read the guide.
If you match it, and want higher you need better gear.
gilded lark
Bleed uptimes
slim estuary
garrote was 93 and rupture was 95, i thought they were pretty good uptimes
on dogs i went 96 and 98
gilded lark
You want like 99.5%
Think of it this way. That's 7% of the fight you weren't getting as much energy as you could be getting
slim estuary
I only parsed 44 on dogs even with that uptime though, surely theres something im doing wrong
lone junco
Sure. Just make sure you are using all your tb and Kb available. And proper vanish.
gilded lark
Hard for me to do an in depth log analysis on mobile
lone junco
Compare raidbots output vs log to start.
Simc average is literally the place to start.
If your gear is shit, dps will be shit.
gilded lark
I could peek at them later. But that's about it.
lone junco
Rip
hardy pewter
maybe its the best he has?
lone junco
I'm on phone. And not actually going to look.
Whatever gear it is is fine. How far below sim is it?
turbid zealot
so im guessing vulpera will be alliance
wise frigate
Even if they were something they'd probably be Horde. Sure they're cute and cuddly but they're more in line with Horde values.
turbid zealot
thin human? is this a joke/
wise frigate
It's probably the same deal as Vulpera. Blizz setting up NPC skeletons as playable skeletons.
Same thing with thicc humans.
civic palm
Yep.
Easier to assign scripting/etc. to NPCs when they follow the same templating as PCs.
So they can share tags/flags/etc.
will, not can.
turbid zealot
well its official i can be a zandalari so im happy
civic palm
:"D
elder scarab
strangler vs master assassin as poison build
wise frigate
9 times out of 10 MA, but 
lone junco
Strangler is dead. Check the charts.
gilded lark
Stranger if it's a 30 weapon ilevel gain 
elder scarab
with the sim yourself thing do i need the addon?
i was using the website mr.robot last night but it was a bit confusing
elder scarab
hokay
gilded lark
Download simulationcraft
The addon
Thru curse/twitch
Then in game type in /simc
Copy/paste the text wall into raidbots.com
Ez game
gilded lark
Yup
spare hawk
ey guys
civic palm
Hey youuuu
civic palm
ok
void pecan
Not sure what that is.
besides 985.
but I wouldn't bitch about any tier being 985.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gilded lark
I'll take one but it must be the english version
ancient fiber
bleed or poison build for raiding?
civic palm
Whichever does more damage for you, and how much you like one spec or the other.
valid moss
poison ofc
ancient fiber
oh :d
prime void
sleek hemlock
which legends give more st dps? mantle+helmet or mantle+boots?
civic palm
mantle boots probably.
haughty harness
Except on argus, bracers are great on long 30% health fights
sleek hemlock
anyone has mantle helmet but my char sim more dps with helmet than mantle boots
cosmic nacelle
sim yourself my boots sim way higher then bracers
sleek hemlock
i dont have bracers 😦
lone junco
civic palm
🗡
ancient fiber
Same.. dropped 5 legends for my rogue and four of them total shit
last time I dropped BiS finally
miracle 😝
signal ice
Nothing wrong with that
Just means your off pieces are better
Head / boots are pretty close to each other. Most of the time it just depends on what replacement pieces you use.
shrewd oriole
ç,ap
@sleek hemlock
do me a favor
and buy yourself boe wrists
those fucking crit haste bracers are cringe > : (
calm grail
My helm sims ahead or bracers too but I know that bracers RNG can be $$$ so fuck that.
Of*
It's like an 18000 difference.
sharp viper
what's the error margin of your simmed dps?
calm grail
I sim fairly close to 2.2.
shrewd oriole
I'm over 2.2
shrewd oriole
ahaha
calm grail
I could gain like 30k if I went back human 😂
sharp viper
what fight length tho, this is penis size comparison without any comparable measurement insert southpark randy
calm grail
I know, but I had to try the trendy thing.
sharp viper
just making sure we are all on the same page
calm grail
Yeah, if you're going to compare dick sizes you have to use the same ruler.
Always 5 minute patchwerk
shrewd oriole
no one is bigger than mine
calm grail
Man, we just got like 12 Freedom Units in snow in like 8 hours
That's like one third of a meter for communist units.
Or... Wait...
33 centimeters?
Idk.
sharp viper
why are you even using "hours", that is such a communist unit, rather use spotted bald eagle cries
sharp viper
Now that is a game changer if i've ever seen one.
calm grail
I did actually see an Eagle for like the first time a month ago.
They're actually pretty huge.
sharp viper
a bit late for the dick comparison, 5 min patchwerk
exotic glen
how many pantheon trinkets are you simming with
civic palm
20 or bust
lunar coral
Is nightborne really that bad for sin or is the racial still a wip? I would’ve thought it’d be higher
exotic glen
considering its live, i'd guess its not a wip
wanton bough
:0
exotic glen
i ask stupid questions in druid channel when im drunk
sharp viper
well people are asking pin questions all the time and we can't really determine sobriety or not
exotic glen
got muted a few times
exotic glen
lets run away together
wanton bough
No seriously
Ok :x
First: i have to say, i know you all, i was stalking this Disc since i made my Esmarelda
Second: Im jaded
Esmarelda-Minahonda . B4 all the spaniard shit
sharp viper
jaded?
exotic glen
what the fuck are you talking about
wanton bough
Well, ill pack it all in the same message, im not here to spam:
I'm Ivl 952. My pc is dying, i cant raid anymore, is it enough for the "xp life"?
exotic glen
whats the xp life
sharp viper
still no clue what that is supposed to be
wanton bough
Well, guys. As i said, im druk af. Lemme "elaborate" my question. I'll fire it soon
turbid harbor
sharp viper
does that qualify as a maymay?
shrewd oriole
: ( thats me
wanton bough
You can talk about...well PK nerfs and stuff :x