just disenchant your weapon
#assassination
gilded lark
pliant yacht
will it improve sim?
gilded lark
i tried
spare cloud
What are grey daggers?
gilded lark
spare cloud
I cant
glad garden
speaking of DK how is blood doing now?
spare cloud
I have a soul capacitor in my bank if i destroy it my soul gets destroyed
glad garden
damn that strong eh
gilded lark
outhealing healers? sure we got that
glad garden
LOL wtf
spare cloud
Massgrip
gilded lark
beating dps in dmg? yeah fam got you covered
spare cloud
Grip
glad garden
serious?
spare cloud
Wait wtf
gilded lark
the 14 i just ran i did more hps than heals and held over 1m dps
glad garden
wtf am i doing messing around with my rogue for then
glad garden
time to get my dk up to speed i guess
zealous dew
someone said warlock ?
gilded lark
glad garden
is mastery still the go to stat for blood?
spare cloud
Sephuz + rogue opener for extra evenom in vanish
glad garden
kk
spare cloud
๐ค
gilded lark
vers > mast > crit for survivability
glad garden
haste for rune regen im guessing?
glad garden
nice
gilded lark
helps a ton with uptimes
glad garden
they switched it up a bit since i played it last then
gilded lark
running around with 70% haste in my sanic set
so good
then proc sephuz
250% movement speed
spare cloud
Wow
glad garden
LOLOL
spare cloud
I know thar feel on my warrior
shrewd night
lnslgfkasodjsa DEJA VU
glad garden
over here racing druids and rogues in a foot race taking all bets
glad garden
man you making me want to go do work on the dk now
shrewd night
Broadsides theme - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv13gl0a-FA
glad garden
didn't even get to finish the rogue yet
gilded lark
some fucker i run with got a chrono shard and hunger of the pack trinks
for his speed set
he hits like 300%
spare cloud
Wait thats the wrong song dude
glad garden
screw flying mouts they can just ride yall
gilded lark
it's the only reason i do low keys
doing like +8-9
pull half dungeon in one proc
๐
viscid helm
No
spare cloud
midnight latch
if you read a song title
gilded lark
ye i know that feel
viscid helm
No it doesnt
shrewd night
๐ฟ
jovial kite
midnight latch
๐ฟ
jovial kite
Like this
gilded lark
challenge accepted
jovial kite
Except the song isnt ass ๐คฃ
shrewd night
Was about to say
midnight latch
it is thou ๐ฟ
shrewd night
You were bragging about buying tickets to this dude, and now its like OH YEAH THIS SONG ASS BTW
spare cloud
Carpenter is back
gilded lark
except
you staggered
them
like this
so it's more like
17 sentences
pls stop
midnight latch
a
gilded lark
fuck
gilded lark
spare cloud
Stio
jovial kite
Rekt
shrewd night
so wait
gilded lark
stio
spare cloud
Eyyyy
shrewd night
I dont know if I can pull code out of my ass for that one
midnight latch
๐ค
jovial kite
Hottest girl from the projects
jovial kite
naysha shaneequa trainwrecka
midnight latch
just fyi
zealous dew
SHE ?
spare cloud
Stop
zealous dew
oh boy
spare cloud
Stio*
slim estuary
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
shrewd night
Give me more of dis dream theater
spare cloud
Listen to dream.carpenter
midnight latch
๐
worthy thistle
What's y'alls crit at? As poison
midnight latch
32%
shrewd night
34%
midnight latch
na no eye
viscid helm
45%
worthy thistle
Damn what's ur mastery at
midnight latch
~150% something
worthy thistle
Aight, thinking about switching some master to crit even though mastery sims better still at 210%
midnight latch
inferior :omegalul:
worthy thistle
Bleed edgelords ๐
jovial kite
Poison only better for argus and full aoe ๐คท #facts
midnight latch
listen
jovial kite
NANANAANANANAANANANANANNAANANAA
worthy thistle
Idk about that
worthy thistle
Although I don't have bracers y at LuL last lego
shrewd night
I dont know why armory is showing different than ingame
jovial kite
indie company
shrewd night
although 34% crit and 202% mastery
jovial kite
shrewd night
asesinaron
shrewd night
thats a new meme right there
viscid helm
Think i replied to that guy
shrewd night
midnight latch
asesinaron sounds like a dude from greek mytholigy
jovial kite
asesinaron thonk
viscid helm
Lunch just ended
midnight latch
and than asesinaron killed the chimera with his bare hands and took its hide as a coat
midnight latch
@viscid helm ๐ค
jovial kite
3h here
viscid helm
๐คข
jovial kite
well your a toffee bite so whaddyaknow
midnight latch
rip in peperonies
prime void
whoppppsie
shrewd night
good screenie breh
spare cloud
I need to do 2 more things which take about 2 minutes each but i have an hour left...what to do in the meantime
inland geode
guys im going with
[Exsanguinate]
i don't have the shoulder or trinket for toxic talent
only [Zoldyck Family Training Shackles]
inland geode
144% mastery abd 26%crit and haste %9
inland geode
am i doing something wrong
zealous dew
with 26 crit
shrewd night
Yeah
inland geode
damn
shrewd night
Youre going with the spec that requires gear
like
You're 10%+ off the minimum requirement for bleedbuild
inland geode
what you suggest for me bro
zealous dew
w000a i nailed this AoS
shrewd night
I suggest for you to go for a build that isnt reliant on stats?
sharp viper
iirc bleed focuses more on crit and vers than on mastery
inland geode
and toxic depends on legs and trinkets
shrewd night
...no
jovial kite
just go exsang but get gear and relics etc towards it
inland geode
my ver is %18 is it too low too?
inland geode
im going to work it out for my crit but ver 18% is it low also
sharp viper
try dropping mastery and haste for crit
inland geode
umm
jovial kite
its not
shrewd night
YES I SAID IT
sharp viper
venteri, link me some of your bleedyboi logs please
shrewd night
Give me another picture of your food and Ill stop
shrewd night
NH 
sharp viper
forgot the name of your rouge
sharp viper
why not use it on progress if you are so convinced about bleedy strength
jovial kite
Yes :3
sharp viper
what is that even
shrewd night
Its a pizza, with salad and sauce on top
jovial kite
because i didnt want to go half assed build for progress
zealous dew
can you link me those logs later on ? i got the gear, just don't want to put 3ma
otherwise rip M+ dps
tame cobalt
mantle only works with vanish right?
sharp viper
still going 7/7 PK #fok
zealous dew
yep
tame cobalt
why is it so strong then?
shrewd night
...Was that a unironic question?
tame cobalt
im pretty new to rogue so interested why is legendary that works every 2min is so strong
inland geode
master u saying i should stay at toxic ? till i get my stats up for bleeding?
sharp viper
why not go ahead and put your chocolate pudding on top of that abused pizza as well, maybe pour some soup over there as well while you are it
jovial kite
yes
inland geode
thanks alot mate
prime void
@zealous dew what's your sim like with those relics ?
inland geode
thanks guys for the help โค very helpful
jovial kite
And you are abused @sharp viper
shrewd night
Its just down to the burstwindow you can have, and how the shoulders synergizes wth your stats. Like lowering the value of crit so you can push other things.
inland geode
um
tame cobalt
i see, thanks
sharp viper
ERT timetodie for combat timer and time left estimate (with experience of fight length (warcarftlogs)) helps a shitton with that
sharp viper
what fight length?
sharp viper
oh gz on the argus kill
jovial kite
Tyty
spare cloud
Hopefully ill get into aggra m next week for the helmet
Gotta replace the normal one at some point
zealous dew
wait i'll run it
jovial kite
Theres 0
sharp viper
why would you sim with pantheon trinkets LUL
zealous dew
i don't use pantheon though
spare cloud
When i hear pantheon it makes me shiver
prime void
Haha nice
spare cloud
Grats
shrewd night
F 
K build
prime void
Omly like 60k behind my full st build
shrewd night
its only 50k
spare cloud
Im happy when i do 50k dps
zealous dew
if i get 3 BB i might go exsang
jovial kite
I dont advice on getting bbs
zealous dew
why
jovial kite
u need natural crit and at 45%+ their value is close to0
bb is bis after ma only for the sample profile in hd
not for many vharacters in reality
jovial kite
Env
zealous dew
with DS ?
jovial kite
yep
zealous dew
euuuu
jovial kite
You use lowroll mutilates to refresh ruptures for optimal pandemic before exsanguinating
zealous dew
yea i remember that kind of stuff
jovial kite
and always finisher at 4 unless garrote bout to fall off
spare cloud
Eww timing
zealous dew
not a great fan of it though
jovial kite
i love it
zealous dew
oh well, we will see
jovial kite
That works too
midnight latch
pray for pb
jovial kite
๐คท
sharp viper
skill doesnt matter if you have 
zealous dew
now check rank one vari fury warrior
spare cloud
Many dudes have mistakes in rotation
midnight latch
cause pb 12%
midnight latch
like dont you fuckin love that?
zealous dew
yup pb is life
jovial kite
for progress consistency is key
spare cloud
R1 on garorhi has like 1 evenom per tb average
midnight latch
play like dog zooms past you cause he luckY
jovial kite
Thats why bleed is better for progress excluding argus
spare cloud
True
jovial kite
a better player isnt measured on pull by pull basis anymore due to rng
spare cloud
Good thing i skipped progress and came back to farm
jovial kite
Its 100+ sample size better player always win
spare cloud
Better player has more pb's
jovial kite
not on 100 pulls
sharp viper
so just go sub, EZ, way less variance with 2p+2p
jovial kite
pretty much averaged out
prime void
Poison still has fat damage with mediocre procs I feel
spare cloud
Thats what you think.
prime void
Still always over 2m
jovial kite
thats what i know ๐คท
vestal wren
50% crit with 70% average in sims on evi ๐ค
midnight latch
sub hard
spare cloud
Ik was joking
midnight latch
i sleep
jovial kite
Gutripper hello?
prime void
Sub is hard compared to sin lol
jovial kite
Sub hard zulul
shrewd night
Sub is all about pressing dance in the window between DFA and landing amirite
prime void
I mean no
vestal wren
no spec is hard if you practice it enough
tho sin is less punishing and very straight forward
its hard to fuck up
spare cloud
You know whats hard though? My d when i get pb proccs in opener
Thats why i play assa
vestal wren
while even top world ranks die on fights due to dfa or shit as sub
sharp viper
sub doesnt have the RNG elements of pb, t21 4p for assa, bota and so on
midnight latch
dfa is legit suicide watch 100%
vestal wren
pb is not so bad
prime void
Sub has evis crit and dfa crit
vestal wren
and it can make up for mistakes easy
spare cloud
Remember flying orbs on maiden
prime void
Which is huge.
vestal wren
in fact it devalues personal skill even more
spare cloud
Cuz dfa
sharp viper
pb is the worst designed trait i have ever seen and i will never be unable to rant about it.
midnight latch
flying orbs on maiden was ๐ ๐ ๐
sharp viper
KG or varimathras logs are 60% reliant on when and how often you proc pb
vestal wren
why do ppl play the spec if pb is such a pain in the ass
hidden citrus
Sub 4p is the worst shit ever
vestal wren
well we know that since ptr ^^
spare cloud
Because its a pain in the ASS
sharp viper
because i like playing asesinaron the most and got exhausted of playing sub in tos
wet zealot
Pb is fine
At least for me it procs all the time when needed
vestal wren
i mean sub is only slightly lower, if pb rng was so bad ppl would play sub only and not sin
spare cloud
Naaruto is my guy
prime void
Sin does fat damage with bad procs
hidden citrus
It sounded like you meant sub didn't deal with rng 4p like Assa
prime void
And lets you focus more on mechs
spare cloud
It should average out over a large sample size
sharp viper
because other players will outproc you and it is frustrating to compete against someone with a better RN generator simply because of one golden trait
vestal wren
well i beat my guilds rogue in every try that was not kill try as sub with worse gear
tho killtry he just press pb key
i am not mad
but ppl ultimatively will value the high parse pb player more then me
sharp viper
i would be less mad if pb was an actual active and not RNG
hidden citrus
My pb dmg is pretty consistent tbh
sharp viper
less rng and more player choice gives competitiveness
prime void
So play sub?
vestal wren
๐
midnight latch
if i look at log first thing is me looking at pb % if thats high as fuck i just move on
spare cloud
Will still average out
vestal wren
but you dont get those insane parses with decent/good rng as sub
sharp viper
don't have the gear for bleedyspec
vestal wren
@midnight latch ye but you know the class 98% of the raid leads dont
spare cloud
If youre talking consistency the better player will still outperform even with pb rng
sharp viper
green parse on varimathras simply because of only a single pb proc instead of a purple parse is infuriating
prime void
Ilink the parse
vestal wren
i dont think you are green with bad pb procs
timber sage
Blue parse is good!? Lol
vestal wren
its likely other things
prime void
@sharp viper
spare cloud
If you care about logs then go outlaw and the competition is less
vestal wren
can go sub soon
spare cloud
You will automatically parse bettee
vestal wren
as tendency is to play sin
jovial kite
Id hate the game if all i thought about during the pull was pb procs, id probably be way worse player too
sharp viper
timber sage
Fuu where do you play?
spare cloud
Pb is not the only thing
vestal wren
a lot of top parses back then are beaten out by weaker groups now and are only mediocore
prime void
Yeah it's dumb
midnight latch
@vestal wren well a smart raidlead would get an opinion on x class by a person or two he trusts knowing the class
spare cloud
You can easily outdmg 5percent pb if youre lucky with crits
sharp viper
i tried outlaw a bit in heroic, RTB is a ton of RNG as well and SND is not enticing to play
timber sage
Itโs like sub in wod, no trinket proc on pull = insta afk
jovial kite
muted our other sin on argus progress, because only times he would talk was whine about my pb procs compared to his or make excuses why he died, at the end of progress he lost overall by 150k and had 2% higher pb than me
spare cloud
Thats also very dependant on the boss fuu
vestal wren
@midnight latch the majority of wow is not smart
spare cloud
You also dont want to kill it too early because some timings are shitty
vestal wren
soul cap was secure proc on pull
midnight latch
๐
jovial kite
@timber sage yep if you were a shitter logwhore
vestal wren
i talk about the progression
midnight latch
jk
sharp viper
i get that parses are reliant on many factors such as a shitton of RNG and raidcomposition/raiddps, time of the parse, gear, strategy (aka cheese), fight length
midnight latch
I get your point
vestal wren
if your guild is the first one killing the boss, not the killtime
ppl using discord tent to get more information ^^
quartz ginkgo
every leggo except mantle... sweet
jovial kite
average player doesnt understand how much worse players they are for public logs
vestal wren
tho i meet ppl regular that dont know that there are class discords etc
spare cloud
Most peope dont care enough
sharp viper
@jovial kite are you refering to these glorious god tier players in the hidden logs?
jovial kite
no
midnight latch
its not like they dont care
jovial kite
Im referring to the average shitter
midnight latch
they are just fuckin lazy
I talked to weak about it
like ppl dont want to invest time
spare cloud
Thats what not caring means per definition
midnight latch
they just want us to hand them a sheet
spare cloud
Enough*
midnight latch
do x then y
spare cloud
Too many variables can you stop pls
midnight latch
and they do it for the rest of time
cause they dont want to invest work
they just wanna get told what to do
shrewd night
Soul cap was so fun
spare cloud
Yep
midnight latch
well
spare cloud
Thats why you tell them where the information is
vestal wren
yes and you get hate for it
sharp viper
amr report flashbacks coming in
vestal wren
^^
spare cloud
So what the ones that hate are the ones that get the least out of it
midnight latch
talked to weak about that aswell
the sin guide at the moment
is legit a sheet saying do x then y
perfect world that thing would be pages long
and would explain in detail interactions
and would make you come to a conclusion what is best in every scenario
a guide to a deep understanding in the spec
but who would read that honestly?
prime void
Me
vestal wren
ye i feel the same
spare cloud
I think the guide is good
vestal wren
sub guild is partly thinking
so those parts will probably be just "do that" in bfa version
sharp viper
i would love to read that rather than be given a set rotation
spare cloud
It gives pointers and lets people figure oit.detailed stuff themselves
vestal wren
@spare cloud if you do that you end up explaining it every day
midnight latch
ppl not understanding and just copy paste rotation and legendary setup lead us to this point we get a shitton of questions about the same issues every day
spare cloud
But thats what the guide does
sharp viper
i mean ideally a guide would contain a short rotation for the average pleb joe and then in depth reasoning as to why this rotation is how it is and what you can min/max
spare cloud
I saw it like that least
midnight latch
@prime void weak has a vod 3 hours long about discussing what you wanna do in x situation on his Anticipation build
we thought about posting it
sharp viper
gimme
midnight latch
but who wants to watch a vod about 3 dudes talking about sin
and hitting dummies
for 3 hours
strange python
<-
sharp viper
probably people who frequent this channel more than just to ask questions that can be answered by pins
spare cloud
People who are interessted get their information
sharp viper
although i have to admit 3 hours is probably too long
vestal wren
just fire up a video editor and cut it
sharp viper
review the content, get some structure in, cut it
vestal wren
so that you only have the relevant information
midnight latch
good thinking
sharp viper
maybe redo some parts
digital kettle
How do you guys AOE with 4 set T21 on sin?
warm parcel
Wut
glass palm
we dont
prime void
Could I get the vod link?
midnight latch
OH
warm parcel
5+3
sharp viper
aoe: 
: ๐
digital kettle
xD
midnight latch
8 hours sin talk :omegalul:
warm parcel
Well
sharp viper
okay 8 hours might be a tough challenge to condensate that to an approriate length
warm parcel
Yeah ive got a bit diff approach to guiding/guides in general
Id rather do that stuff by talking what apl does. And how to interpt certain comparisons and what not you do in simc
Take vanish again fex
Its not that simple
Theres a million ways to execute vanish
digital kettle
regarding aoe, i'm trying to figure out if u should just fok and env at 4-5 cp, or if it is worthy to ignore cps and only env every 4-5 gcd to keep up virulent poisons
sharp viper
it is not worth to overcap cp since you don't have a chance to proc pb just by pressing fok, if your virulent poison/env buff is still up you might wanna toss in some ruptures on high hp targets. But this is very situational and depends on how many and what enemies you are facing
a million ways to vanish (name of my next album) might be a bit of an overexaggeration but i get the notion
spare cloud
Oh that reminds me of smth
strange python
guys btw. does vanish restart mage tower fight?
warm parcel
Nop
sharp viper
@strange python no it does not, you can vanish mid* fight
strange python
great! ๐
spare cloud
Why does sc use vendetta on pull
warm parcel
Cause its better
spare cloud
Thanks.
sharp viper
how do i read APLs even? noob question but i am curious
amber ravine
Hello, the challenge I beat by keeping her CCd and killing the other 2?
warm parcel
Apl is just babbya first code
Theres wiki for it if you google. But most is selfexplanatory
sharp viper
only CC her while she is casting/has the godfather buff, kite/stun/evasion the berserk, interrupt the caster, dodge mechanics, step on runes, leeching poison to not die if you dont have valeeras or leech
amber ravine
aight thanks
sharp viper
challenge should be easy enough with current gear tho, it was rlatively easy hwen it first came out
spare cloud
Thanks for reminding me i need to do it when im home
tame cobalt
why my third master assasin trait is almost 20points in crucible while the first one is only 9?
spare cloud
Timings my dude
jovial kite
Also the vendetta opener values 3sec of vendetta more than the 100+ energy you waste
Which at first glance doesnt make sense
spare cloud
Rupture dmg
strange python
the worst part of my dreamed assa is the part when I need to win 10 RBG, for my transmog to be completed
jovial kite
- if you can execute max dps opener with x given energy then anything more is value 0 and completely irrelevant
sharp viper
is it using vendetta straight from stealth* (not vanish)
jovial kite
I remember i doubted the vendetta on pull at first
Due to being stuck up on a certain mentality
spare cloud
Well the energy is not wasted because it also lets you get to the next finisher faster
jovial kite
You overcap 60-80 energy
during opener
but the thing is if during those 3 sec you are 100% all the time and make more dps than "normal" opener the overcap isnt an issue
sharp viper
might be a bit different if you playing boots+bracers tho since you don't have the 100% crit. More energy to spend also means faster vendetta available (roughly 2seconds from vendetta energy with boots)
spare cloud
Yeah its mantle only
quiet ginkgo
Which should I use, 955 fok relic or stay with 925 tb relic?
strange python
Sim it
quiet ginkgo
noob question. how do you sim relics?
quiet ginkgo
oh cool, thanks
shrewd oriole
midnight latch
from hero to zero
jovial kite
Affli stil top dps
tribal shuttle
#NoKingRulesForEver
jovial kite
Affli still rules though
crystal fox
has there been changes?
viscid helm
Is blizzard fucking serious?
tribal shuttle
Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
Affliction
Corruption, Agony damage reduced by 6%.
Long Dark Night of the Soul now increases healing you receive from Drain Soul by 3% per rank (was 10%).
Dumb fucks
jovial kite
Those nerfs do nothing for affli
Its not curse dmg thats the issue
The spec is baseline broken
viscid helm
Im leveling my nightborn wlock rn
midnight latch
I like the healing nerf ๐
viscid helm
And they fucking nerf my dmg
strange python
I see something called "envenom buff" like in
"โข When both bleeds are up use Envenom at 4+ combo points. Try to use Envenom right before your Envenom buff falls off."
what is the envenom buff called? Surge of toxins?
viscid helm
Like its not fucking cancer already
somber forge
@strange python its called envenom
jovial kite
in reality this affects only pure st
viscid helm
I was never gonna log on it after 110 anyway
somber forge
surge of toxins is an artifact trait debuff on target that is applied by finishers
viscid helm
But the leveling system is cancer
somber forge
envenom has its own player buff that increases poison proc rate
jovial kite
Oh thats true flowi
strange python
oh right its a buff on myself, i thought it was a debuff on my target
jovial kite
Endgame effect is 0 though
midnight latch
@viscid helm Like it wasnt cancer before
jovial kite
shard generation ua dump and seed still the issue
viscid helm
Now you get 30%
viscid helm
Also the Dungeons take 3x longer
jovial kite
affli 2+ targets is like assa getting 5cp every mutilate
strange python
Does Assa have only 12 legendaries? (Spec specific and shared)
shrewd night
That line is a little ambigous, because the surge of toxins buff is completely irrelevant outside of kingsbane
oh shit, what happened
I responded to something from five minutes ago, nevermind me
sharp viper
sot is not completely irrelevant outside of kb but less of a factor, no need to clip it outside of kb
shrewd night
Irrelevant as in, treat it like all the other generic procs and buffs you ignore.
sharp viper
strictly speaking it is better to actively not clip sot if you are not wasting resources like that
shrewd night
To be fair, with gear its hard to NOT clip sot because it just happens rotationswise
sharp viper
i often find myself waiting a little bit to gain energy while envenom buff is above pandemic threshhold and sot or virulent poisons are still up
weary wasp
envenom doesnt have pandemic? its not a dot
sharp viper
it is a buff and it does have pandemic
worthy thistle
Envenom does idd have pandemic
exotic glen
he was asking a question, not stating something with confidence
weary wasp
Its amazing how you can miss a question mark at the end of a sentence ๐
lone junco
"Error"
sharp viper
sheesh better give them a buff, poor basterds now know what the bottom of the meter must feel like now
lone junco
Outlaw went 8 months before the sim realized that haste was a good stat.
warm parcel
No
worthy thistle
@warm parcel make it happen for rogues next exp so we can get broken as locks rn
warm parcel
It was briefly changed due to amr claiming it worked diff but changed back
Along the general change to reduce spiking
sharp viper
do our favourite indie game developers even consider sim'ed dps for balance?
i highly doubt it
exotic glen
not afaik, they were talking about how they trusted their own internal testing more
and wcl representation
jovial kite
Wcl is basically all the data blizz would need tbh
warm parcel
They have many metrics
jovial kite
On ptr and live
warm parcel
Wcl sim internal etc
worthy thistle
I'm pretty sure they take it in to their thoughts but I think they run a lot of their own "sims"as well
grim jay
Well sims arent very practical most of the Time so using them wouldnt be too smart
lone junco
Devs can't always predict player rotations tho.
Sims are supposed to be used to compare similar tools. In a controlled environment.
pine brook
anyone know why my IL 960 momento never seems to proc with the buffs it always supposed to?
i never see any buffs
its my best trinket after my pantheon for assin atm
lone junco
They show up in your logs
pine brook
the odd time i see one buff on my buff bar, but not normally ever
maybe its a bug in my UI
im juts hoping its there and not getting shafted
lone junco
You can make a WA to track them if you must. But else just check logs. There's nothing I do any differently when they proc so ๐คทโโ๏ธ
pine brook
btw, any of you guys use mythic CoF still for vendetta? or not worth it
cool thanks noobe
sharp viper
cof has a shitton of agility on it tho, maybe bleedybois could use it if it is super high ilvl
shrewd night
Lets just say its far easier trinkets to titanforge than something thats two tiers old.
lone junco
Argus and fang. Or argus and eye of command.
pine brook
the highest your argus trrinket could be this week is 990 right?
zealous dew
yep
pine brook
i guess if you got it the first week thjat is
shrewd night
Nah. No upgrade tokens first week.
zealous dew
true, first token was random
pine brook
do alot of the top guilds have many players with the legeiondary pantheon trinket by thist time?
quick ice
Doubt it?
shrewd night
Im willing to say that there is no guild currently with more than four tops.
pine brook
interesting
shrewd night
Unless they recruited specificly for the trinket, which is dumb
sharp viper
just play 20 characters and use the one that gets amantuls EZ
pine brook
theres int a class thats it isnt bis for
shrewd night
Rogues?
quick ice
Us...
zealous dew
like it's a good trinket ๐
shrewd night
Fury warriors?
sharp viper
rogues, fury warriors
pine brook
fury? seriously?
quick ice
Monks maybe?
rotund grove
yes if you have killed argus every week your trinket will be at 990 this lockout.
as in tuesday the 6th
quick ice
As in the lockout about to begin
pine brook
fury is all abvout that arcano crystal , isnt that one a supped up version of one?
rotund grove
yes
pine brook
fury still needs CoF
sharp viper
nope, khaz'goroth trinket is better since the 2ndary pantheon proc is insane (similar for outlaw rogues), high attackspeed=lots of pewpew
quick ice
Does it double dip in attack speed like ours does? (I think ours does...)
sharp viper
yes, both secondary procs are reliant on autoattacks
pine brook
@sharp viper wait, so CoF isnt bis for fury anymore for wars?
i keep hearing otherwise
the 30second diff between under 1min for BC is op
im not arguing, im just wondering how its true
sharp viper
i dont know about cof, i just compared amanthuls and khazgoroth pantheon trinkets
quick ice
And you can't use both
pine brook
the strength dps trinket from argus is good
the pantheon one that is
dnt know if its better than the rogues
but it hits hard on my war
shrewd night
And you can't use both
That wasnt the question
Question was if Amanthuls was bis for warriors
quick ice
I was pointing out that just because khaz is better doesn't mean cof is dead
sharp viper
as is tradition people should just sim the trinkets they want or have available
quick ice
Simyoself.gif
sharp viper
2 arcanocrystals, one amathul+scourcewing LUL
quick ice
That one guy with his 935 arcano
sharp viper
at least sins have more trinket diversity
shrewd night
Do we a really ๐ค
quick ice
We have TWO mainstay 2nd trinkets
sharp viper
pantheon, doggo trinket, eoc
sharp viper
i sometimes forget that this talent exists as sin
desert karma
what trinkets are best for a beginner assassa rogue? ๐
wide delta
pantheon, doggo trinket, eoc
desert karma
they are all passive right? ๐
quick talon
@wide delta Keep Yourself Simmed
wide delta
k sry
strange python
I have question... how much haste is worthless for assa? Cause the top assa rogue have haste something like 1%-5%
should I really focus only on mastery and crit?
desert karma
I have 23% and was told its very bad @strange python
strange python
very bad in too low way or very bad in too much way/
brittle zenith
Whats everyone hoping for out of the M+ chest for sin?
desert karma
think you need only 900 haste from the bis leggos and thats it
so as little as possible is better
from what I was told
strange python
that's...quite awesome
brittle zenith
no hi for you
strange python
Almost every gear I got is crit/mastery, and I though my haste is too low, sitting on 14%
worthy thistle
14% haste ๐คข
strange python
glad to know, that I can get rid off all this haste gear
and change to mastery ๐
midnight latch
@dire spoke ๐
dire spoke
@midnight latch 
elder trench
what enchant for neck?
zealous dew
trained
desert karma
I have 23% haste, so you dont have to feel bad ๐
shrewd night
If your soul feels dirty from playing assassination you havent spent alot of time on the internet
desert karma
Is assassa always energy starved?
zealous dew
only if you're a potato
desert karma
potato meaning?
alpine moss
No hands guy I guess
zealous dew
bad player
alpine moss
Reading all day you makes me want to leave my DH as main and back to rogue ๐ญ
desert karma
so how do you play then @zealous dew ?
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
shrewd night
By starved you make it sound like you are waiting five seconds, autoattacking because you cant use a spell
desert karma
I read that already, didnt help much tbh
lone junco
It's fine. If you still have 23% haste, the guide won't help.
shrewd night
^
desert karma
apm?
shrewd night
Actions Per Minute
lone junco
Haste means nothing for poison damage if you don't have the cps to maintain envenom uptime
desert karma
I just tried to get as high ilvl as possible since I boosted this rogue, thats why haste is high ๐ข
lone junco
Ok.
desert karma
Im only 902, isnt that bad ๐
lone junco
Then just get started. The boe hat is high mastery crit.
Ok. You're noob. Not a big deal. Have you done any lfr?
calm grail
Wonder if the Warlocks are losing their minds.
shrewd night
They arent
lone junco
Get 4p 21 and mastery ring/neck.
shrewd night
Because in reality, it doesnt mean fuck all to them
Their primary damage dealer is UA, which wasnt touched ololol
desert karma
I got this legendary ring the other day that gives me crit haste
calm grail
Throw it in the bank.
Call it a day.
Wait, is that your only one?
If it is, use it.
desert karma
yeah, just boosted this guy so its my first and its called Ravenholdts
lone junco
I can't even imagine rerolling.
shrewd night
Fun != geardependant
lone junco
Fun == dps relative to those around me
desert karma
never played a rogue before btw, but its fun, just a bit clunky atm xD
even went and got the HFC mythic set because it looks so poisony ๐
open reef
6 mythic down :-D
dull cargo
At how much mastery should i start considering stat swapping to other stat as a poison build?
zealous dew
brittle zenith
how does one simply tag themselves as a poison spec?
zealous dew
List of roles you can assign yourself:
!spec poison
!spec bleed
!spec subtlety
!spec outlaw
Type it again and the bot will remove the role.(edited)
in #bot-spam
gaunt moat
dull cargo
!spec poison
zealous dew
looks like not
dull cargo
Cant really check my tags due to me being on a phone
spare cloud
I know that feel
dire spoke
@spare cloud ๐
dull cargo
Blasphemy, dont say such ridicilous things!
dire spoke
sup you rightclicker 
tame cobalt
Unstable afliction
shrewd night
Unstable Affliction ๐ค
dire spoke
Oh kai
dire spoke
๐คท I hate ranged
shrewd night
Played warlock for seven years, avoided affliction like the plague after legion launched
desert karma
the affli changes for next patch are amazing though
desert karma
no more turret, no more mana
vagrant eagle
4
shrewd night
If you mean EXPANSION, maybe
desert karma
eh, thought it was next expac already since I pre purchased it ๐
spare cloud
wat
dire spoke
umbral prawn
๐ค
desert karma
but it said get allied races only when you buy BFA
shrewd night
Fine. CURRENT allied races is not BFA content.
spare cloud
Also its not when you buy bfa its when you pre-purchase bfa
the importance is in the prefix
spare cloud
isnt that whats it called?
shrewd night
I was making a pun on the word, yes, its what its called
spare cloud
๐ค
desert karma
this is the first time I played an MMORPG, seems like the community is not good for new players who dont know all the ins and outs ๐ฆ
shrewd night
tfw you have to explain jokes
spare cloud
well thats common sense in the game industry
unless you are completely new to games that kind of stuff should be know to you
if thats not the case you know now
dire spoke
@desert karma you are in #sin we are toxic by nature
desert karma
I have never prepurchased a game before, new to me
I started playing this game with irl friend ๐
spare cloud
Well then you know now
shrewd night
It said on the same page that the expansion is to be released in September, so ๐ค
quick talon
spare cloud
oh god
patent topaz
When i bought tickets to the cinema for february 10th today i thought the movie would be today
dire spoke
Not that Gorilla music again
spare cloud
stop saying gorilla