#assassination
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gotta have smart boi hpala tho
maw is another big boi bop key
yas
but yeah
darkee has bitch bois giving him bop
ashine is a chad
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next patch
flat damage buff again
yeah just read they get 4p buffs with snd too
yeah cuz playing assa is so much better than outlaw 

there's more rng to assa than there is to snd spec 
I have lots banked because weekly chest is suggesting Otl for my life
full haste gear
frond + pantheon
tbh only things you dont get just clearing normally
is auto attack ring and front
I hated frond so much
yeah but grinding for a good front
Hmm
I recently saw a hunter wearing a 960 front or smth like that
frond is at least more fun than our current shit trinkets
๐ heard u liked stat sticks so we did a stat stick but we made it rng
meanwhile, ranged u can have a fucking legion ship
at least affli is fun to play
not anymore 
m+ affli actually took such a big hit dude crazy
I miss the arcane mages with the legendary ring
28% less healing POGGER CHAMPER
that's cuz of how healthstone works but yeah
balanced 
!relics
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
Hello ๐
Hello
hay
lol is that lock discord @manic vigil
yes
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why is there more sub guys here than actual sin guys
mine says both but sub comes first in the color list
Then what role do the shadowblades play
yeah tom
Last time I checked
Let it go
Orange wasn't a spec
orange is obviously outlaw and bleed specc
lfr?
mythic
lfr
Lfr
I thought sub was fun on argus
uh?
I would too, but fotm is like a hot readhead chick
I mean
is it fotm if I'm just changing specs
at least I dont reroll every tier
ye lol
If you want to point it out, I would say I play rogue for it's class and not a particular spec
Agreed
I've only ever played rogue but I think if you play a triple dps spec you need to enjoy at least 2
most triple dps specs have a meme tier third spec anyway
outlaw /survival / demo
Yeah
I mean Outlaw 2016 was hilarious as it was overpowered
but man switching to sin felt good
Wait wat
I don't even remember that
undeserved ๐ฆ
Guess it wasn't when i played rogue
KEK
@spare cloud it was one or two month into release
Yeah I was playing monk back then and rerolled to warri
because monk was op as fuck on ptr
Outlaw was good at NH farm after the LD changes. And early EN when bracer proceed insig.
ye
The lucky guys getting sub boots went sub ... the ones playing safe hoped for sin legos
There is some guy following me and licking me wtf
and then mantle happened
Then mantle happened.
U N D E S E R V E D
I mean cmon how little self awareness do you have to have to say this buff is anything but rightful retribution
No king shall reign forever.
Oh boi
@dire spoke send picture of lock salt pls
@Tom#6911 lol what I don't have any
the fuck
damn phone
It's german
yeah
ups or dhl?
dhl
ah
ups is pretty much everywhere, isn't it?
I think we have DHL here but I dont think I've ever used it
it's always national post offices or UPS
UPS always delivers my sneakers
lul
let me join wl sec
Lul
it's an actual command there
Oh
Yay tears. ๐ญ
Oh I see that the Spec Disc. stack is back in order, good good.
Tried to take over Otl
but they were hiding
I wonder what shantal says
Oh look, another toon that matches my rogue dps
If I use Kingsbane I know I should keep up the Envenom debuff 100%. However, does this mean (assuming I'm very low on energy) I should take a 2-3cp Envenom to keep the 100% uptime?
Never seen this addressed in the guides
no
still 4+ cp envenom
isnt a big deal if you let envenom buff drop for 1-2 gcds
You shouldn't end up in those situations
Whats important is, that evenom is up in the beginning of kingsbane
and you want to use a finisher so SoT is up for the last 5 seconds
be it Rupture or Evenom
ofc Evenenom is optimal
evenenom
nice.
I mostly end up in them because I have more vers than I should, since I was geared mostly for Sub. I don't have a high amount of crit which probably affects my energy gain via tier. Sitting at about 25% crit and 13.5% vers, which is great for sub but not so great for Sin.
doubt that it's 100% that, but it doesn't help
I got that as well
I got lucky with ttf rolls and got many items with versa and mastery highly rolled
Sitting at 28% crit atm
I also only have about 172% mastery, which isn't low enough to consider bleed build, but isn't as high as it should be either
on the plus side
i only have haste from wrists and shoulders
so that's nice
wrists as in legendarys?
yeah
shoulders as well?
yup
well thats nice at least
But yeah I was used to Sin back for Nighthold and Emerald Nightmare, then swapped to Sub for Tomb because it ended up being better overall
but now I'm just offstated for sin
and the rotation is a good bit different now, so it's taking adjusting
but i'm enjoying it. It's a good break from what i've been doing for awhile
Just pray to the PB god and you're good
I guess my low crit also doesn't help cuz I don't get as many Seal Fate procs
so I spend more time than I should ideally casting generators
always having 100% crit would be nice
that'd be great
when I first got mantle I thought it worked with shadow dance and i was like wtf that's great
Yeah naw
and then it didn't and i was like man its still great
but not as good as I thought it would be
but it's still good enough
well yeah it's still top 2 for all the classes
but like it woulda been bonkers getting 100% crit that much
Should I use Rupture after Vanish if I play with mantle and Nightstalker?
I thought you used vanish with envenom so I had it macro'd in
With mantle/Nightstalker, you should read the guide in the pins/channel topic which answers that exact question.
โญ 's and ๐ฅ 's baby, we are FAMILY FRIENDLY HERE.
Family friendly assassins
PG13?
Sorry for the question guys, but did they nerf the bracers?
No. What makes you think that?
Hmm
I came back to the game after a 3 months break
I see that with t21 set it is still top
But head pulled ahead with t20
So i was wondering if they nerfed it or not
I'm trying to figure out if i stay as sub or not
You play what you like
but if you're looking for the best specc then you should play both anyways
Sub in lower keys imo
Well, at least for AoE
Higher keys where things last longer Sin
tbf that also depends
assa has a higher short burst on bosses for example
and if you are lucky and PB procc
OH BOY
its all about luck
Is it worth using fok to build to 5 cp if i dont have to refresh anything?
They nerfed both assa and sub bracers
before tomb if i remember well
And bomb went from 15% chance on envenom to 2.5% per combo points for both env and rupture
Hello, quick question. Whats the best choice for race for assassination rogue between blood elf or nightborne.
Thanks so much!
be is extremely strong for m+ too
aoe interrupt is amazingly useful
they are nerfing the cd on it next expac but will still have som euse id reckon
Why is it impossible to find a pug for Seat above level 15
do i need alacrity to do decent aoe?
Wait what
if you need energy rupture adds
@spare cloud when new dungeons come out people aren't used to them. So most people aren't familiar with it / don't know the fights and avoid it.
and make sure you actually poison your weapon ๐
Well the affixes also aint nice for seat
Time to level for the inheritance armor then
i guess
tyrannical week not the best week to learn an instance i guess
Teeming is ugly for seat
because the adds pull you towards them + you aoe around you because of that other shit
i put a few bleeds and use evenom and spam fok my aoe is trash compared ot my other classe
assa life
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Why are you so disgusted
@grim canopy sin is crap for low keys it comes into its own on high keys and tyrannical bosses, if you want to compete reliably on trash and bursty big pulls go sub and get cloak and shoulders
anyone able to help me with a mythic kingaroth log
thought i did well but only 22 overall so something is obviously wrong
wod sub is back with expose weakness!?!!
No soul cap tho
soul cap plus ring and SD was the bees knees
Question, with T21 2pc, should we be envenoming at 3 CPs if Surge is about to fall off?
Quick question, our Assassination rogue is really struggling on Mythic command. Her poison bomb daamge is really low. Is there anyway to increase procs or something?
pray
So the top rogues just have really high procs?
you can link a log and we can see if they're doing something wrong, but otherwise yeah, probably
^
hell yeah
fair enough
then all I can suggest is that they pray more
consider sacrificing a small animal to RNGesus
lol fair enough. I wont think she is quite as bad as she is then.
her top cast is Rupture. Does that sound about right?
@silk dirge how much dps are they doing?
Her top should be env/dp/poison bomb Iโd say
Like our last pull, she had 3 envenom casts
oh no
Total?
total
what is she doing?
Can you screenshot her casts or dps?
3 casts of envenom
Take a look at the top parses and compare hers against theirs
poison bomb was super low on her damage. Like 6%
Well if she isnโt envenoming she wonโt be getting PBs
with casts like that, she's never gonna do well
How many Fan of Knives casts?
@dense yew procs of rupture now too
no FoK casts
Yeah but sheโs missing lots of casts if not using env
no fok? wtf
Tell her to reroll warrior. There. I said it.
Lol. Is she a bot?
can FoK proc PB?
no, but its how you aoe
no
no fok, but tons of ruptures? there aren't enough targets to rupture that much unless you are just constantly overwriting
I understand how she has 29 ruptures and 3 envenoms now though
and that is the reason exactly at that point
Yeah, its throwing me off though
thinking of the normal cp gain
but she isn't gaining ANY
She could use the guide in the ๐
just normal mut gain
Yeah I really wish I could show you logs
can you take a screenshot of her damage breakdown page and link it?
can u ask her if she can share her energy with us?^^
stepping into a M+, but I will once I am done
@silk dirge for ST you mut to get combo points, then env for damage. You keep rupture (a dot) up for damage and energy. In a multi target fight, FoK replaces mut. More CP for energy spent. Especially good with T21 on a fight with lots of adds (HC)
That depends flonce. Is she hawt? Or kewt?
Time to use a purified titan essence.
Bracers here I come!
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Soul of the shadowblade t_t
How good are our tier peices? i just got my first one and seems like its just okay
You want head, cloak, legs and chest. If u have nice offpieces cloak/legs and decent tiers gloves, use tho
Those *
I use helm chest legs and hands because I have high shoulders/cape off pieces
with boots bracers obv
Just use whatever sims highest.
is it worth farming t20 2p? I see people using boots ring for t20 2p + t21 4p
How come wowhead says the critical strikes passive is 5% when I have 10% crit with 0 points of crit
is the wowhead outdated or something?
probably
think they made that change early on to make up for the slowed down scaling of secondary stats in legion
@Bananer#2254 if ur poison, boots wrist t20 2p is worth, for bleed its a must
@shadow token how'd agg prog go ?
im 925 without bis or t21, should i be running subterfuge or NS? and after my opener do i just keep my garrote/rupture and envenom up? is there anything other than that
the guide seems to have so little information
idk everything you asked is in the guide
ive never once seen whether subter or NS is better in my situation. and the opener is based on circumstances
the opener just depends on if you have shoulders or not and if you play exsan
and it literally states which talents to pick in the talents section
idk what you've been reading
If you sim yourself youll be right 100% of the time ๐
didn't want to recommend sims to someone who hasn't read the guide
but thats correct of course
ive read the guide,
" Same goes with tier 30. But with T21 4 piece NS should pull ahead regardless."
i ask a question cause that is hardly detailed, i was wondering ppls opinions
then what does that mean
Unless you have t4 then you go subterfuge
above it says Tier 15 talents are usually paired up with their respected builds.
so subterfuge is played with poison build unless you have t21 4pc
Sim it
Broad lurking ๐
@grave elk the answer varios from person to person, its gear dependent
So simming is only way to be sure
Yeah really unlucky right there
Fku
is he serios :thonking:
You should DE it ๐คจ

Judging from his stats, no. He's just being a ๐ฅ
๐ฅ
Why not higher, huh?
Or gem socket?
Or avoidance?
You got utterly cucked, son.
Just DE it.
Sim it

Itโs replacing a nightmare egg ๐ฆ thank god
some nice gloves you got there
Thx
Look at this dude
been hunting for a while
I've been here for longer than 48 hours...
We're going by the time I noticed your name ๐
Or rather, from the time you started memeing
I don't meme
we'll celebrate when he becomes relevant
If you are in here, you are memeing
๐คฃ @midnight latch weak said the same thing ๐ค
@jovial kite can confirm
i concur
yeah I figured
those are some nice memes
We out here making new memes everyday
I'd make memes but I'm german and my sense of humour is bad
Where were you when the 'new code' meme was made?
Aiming for that 100% uptime I C
thats what they said before at least
heroic tier 960 eoc
@grim jay shit, ther eare more of you
Meme content
Anyone of you guys on the hunter discord?
Too toxic for me
Id play hunter, if it wasnt so god awful boring
Someone ingame who can equip mastery stat sticks, run into chromie scenario and show me their mastery %?
I would do it if I had mastery stat sticks
You dont hoard gear?
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@shrewd oriole shadowstep needs you
thats my main source of income
@heady flame it was okay. some decent pulls around 70%
Gearing 101 : hoard all trinkets
we took way too long to get there tho
But why
Get attached to them emotional
I never wear them so i dont get attached too them
Yes
You should start wearing trinkets
Does it have mastery?
Need more mastery
Yes it has agi
I miss that trinket
see thats what happens when i actually wear them
Attached
Cannot destryo them because they are Soulbound
๐
we got it tonight @shadow token Hope you guys can get it quick
Fire buffs tho... why?
m+
We gotta remember though
We have to pull some new code out of our ass to sim fire for m+
But dont you worry, Im here to supply
Pulling new code out my ass probably the spiciest meme in awhile.. probably even top 3 all time
I'd be in for some spicy chicken wings right now
just had bacon and beans on toast
I dont know about top 3 of all time, but definitely of the recent ones
@midnight latch does the bacon go on the toast, or does it go beside?
But what did sloot eat @midnight latch ๐ค
no idea waht that due ate
Yes
eats like a pig aswell
๐คฃ
you're welcome
assassination and food go hand in hand tbh
....ew
we love talking about food here
ayy
you can do savoury croissants
@quick ice so I have one toast with the bacon on it
and a wall of three toasts between the beans and the bacon
so that the beans dont touch the crunchy toast with the bacon making it all soggy
Croissant isnt sweet.. atleast here
Yall havent had proper croissants then
@midnight latch fucking genius
I have to go to work in 20 Minutes guys what do i bring to eat when i come back
@heady flame nice. i hope so too
Lunch or breakfast?
Lunch
Where Im from we call that a fucking Calzone
that's really a very different thing
๐คฆ
dough != pastry
wait what
Pastry usually implies that its sweet
Does this look like a motherfucking calzone
you can have savoury tarts too
BUT THEN ITS A TART
Can't identify sorry
I wish it was but cant change facts
tarts are also pastry? was what I meant
no, its a croissant
do you not do ham&cheese croissants where you are @shrewd night
dw bois, plan worked
very popular here
i do
We now have a picture of @jovial kite groin
its very popular here too but the cheap ones are disgusting af
๐คฃ๐คฃ๐
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we also have his finger
oh bb
soon we know where he and his family lives
๐คจ
If we have his finger, we have his fingerprint
Jokes on you punks, im behind 7 proxies and fake social media accounts
Bit too creepy
@shrewd night wrong side of finger for printing ๐ฆ
might be able to get a partial side-print
But we know he touched the bag
Nailprint?
So we just need the bag
Brb eating bag
replacing 945 raid finder titanforge with 965 heroic titanforge 
Although its likely easier to just get a hair from his crotch
And grow our own little @jovial kite
I replaced my 915 lfr cloak with a 975 one just last week
monkaS
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2 hours of work...worth it
Im already NOT looking forwards to chestday tomorrow
If it was any other kind of chest, Id be delighted
be positive!
oh dude
that 985 socket EoC can be yours!
wrong discord for that
pun intended @midnight latch ?
@spare cloud totally not the wrong discord, Notter tells us about his gym adventures all the time
I'm a newbie so I wouldn't know
I can tell you about my gym adventures as well
done
pls dont
too late, he already did
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@gilded lark who cares of corr/agony, seed + soul flame ftw
I ate too many jalapeรฑo poppers last night. I need Jesus or an exorcism. Out demons.
a what?

Wot
An 80's dark synth / synthwave artist
80โs
sounds pretty gay
Wasnt even alive back then
Its pretty dope
rip watlady ๐ข
As long as it isnโt country we gucci
My achy breaky heart?
Taken from Carpenter Brut ยซ EP II ยป http://www.facebook.com/carpenter.brut Itunes : http://bitly.com/N31K93 Spotify : http://spoti.fi/1g45lKM Deezer : http:/...
You cannot not like this
I listen to trap mostly ๐
Old school fatboy slim I could understand
It kinda sounds like electro country.
What do you expect by an artist named Carpenter
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Yeah my bad
Coming to helsinki next month @warm parcel ๐
Not a fest type guy
Concerts
God save me
Me neither, its club gig
Save the queen
'hello, I got a message that I have a virus on my phone'
Oh, do you have a antivirus program on your phone?
'no'
A true rogue evades all viruses
^
Told me he was looking at instagram
checked his phone
ye, dats some instagram d00d
Wat
Just ignore, just another day in IT life
h*cken
rofl
Watch your profanity
wrong toon game
dw, Im looking forward to see what kind of 960 piece of shit I get on my piece of shit monk
Youre welcome
Its tuesday tho
tru
Dont get me started about seat
Seat is fun
scrublems
Tanks run in pull the whole trash before first boss and then leave
my all melee w/ hpal seat grp begs to differ
And you dont know who it is before he leaves
ye nice delete
What delete?
tomorrow is eoc time from cache, i feel it
H/v ring fro you then
Dont you try your reverse psychology on the chest rng
9 weeks haste gear in a row ๐ with 1 985 shadow cloak cd relic in between ๐
good for M+
i play sub in m+
vers sims best for me in S&D outlaw, was surprised by that
prob dead spec
Yeah well this channel was switched for the OTL channel earlier today, seems like something spilled over.
Weird.
since tiers
Combat or gtfo
like imagine
a spec called combat
where you only wear one dagger
and use hand combat aswell
sucker punching enemies
and using pocket sand
Id be more into outlaw if the sword models of everything aside from the artifact themselves looked less shit
All the swords made ever is super long and clips into the ground
I miss when sub did dagger/sword
I miss when weapon speed had an effect
I miss throwing weapons/bows
What I dont miss is warriors mace specialization
Gimme my stat sticks back
whats the mage tower for assa?
That vrykul girl
my friends is their really ever such a thing as to much mastery on a rogue. always wondered if we should ever quit stacknig it lol
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I miss mut being the main dmg dealer as mut,
thats what i was thinking as well it seems to me once you get near the 200 range thats just tons of it
and crit or something else is prob. lacking
thats anightly thing chief
Wew, I do it like once a week
If evne that
i was just bored and thinking about stacking it to see what like 300% would be like for no reason

i usually get a new upgrade like once every few days
just hit 940 a few minutes ago
I'm at 964
just raiding heroic though
I got higher itemlevel than luke? Dayuuuuuum
Mate, I'm heroic scrub ๐
@vivid bone gets upgrades every 60 weeks or if he sacrifices chicken to chutululluh
I have to pug heroic argus, since guild can't kill it
wish arg would drop that legendary trinket though he being to dang greedy at this point
time to gtfo
at 964 
nah, they are a funny bunch of people
I like raiding with them, it's just not really progress ๐
im with luke i would rather a good group of ppl than a guild who can roll raids
I feel you luke
๐ค you can come back when they are in farm
I pugged heroic argus today that went smoother than my guild runs
Eh, I did the guild run on my bm monk alt
But I wanted to get my boon of the pantheon on my rogue
Meh, I'm probably gonna focus on some alts now, feel like my rogue is done ๐
ww monk
๐ค fotm atm
im thinking blood dk next
fotm still is lock
yes Shantal!
ok fotm melee
I am actually gearing a ww monk!
bdk is still bae
my rogue and my dk have always beebn my #1 and 2 guys
I like how monk plays, never press the same button twice in a row
our druid filled in for me last week cause I could not make the raids
I quote: "DUDE THAT BOSS HURTS LIKE A MOFO."
me smirks
started messnig around with a lock in mop and i liked it a good bit was fun
and he was making fun of me cause my life bar looked like a cylinder pump
Like, Ive been in alot of guilds that I like, with people that are nice people and all that
and his looked flat line ?
But if you for some reason dont put in the effort in raids like doublepotting and enchanting your gear
Ill be the bitchiest dude youll ever meet
na he survived alright
nice
but he was sweating at the same spots I do
im the opposite on raids i don't take them that serious. i use to in vanilla. bc, and wrath but after that it just doesn't do much for me anymore
I guess all I really want is for people to put in the same effort as me, else I feel like Im being shafted for putting in the extra effort
The skill level of the players playing has declined dramatically and the raids have gotten much easier since then.
well I still have my competetive mindset and my drive to play as clean as possible
what specs
fury
but if ppl play shit it doesnt bother me that much anymore
and fury
wiat two people in your guild have it?
mhm
wait, fury doesnt need it?
not even my entire raid has pantheon trinkets on their mains
oh pantheon is better?
yea i see
i think we have like 23 trinkets out of 25 roster
๐ค interesting
both tanks dont have
rip right there
still debating if i should try out bleeds i've never done it so would suck with the rotation for a few but seems like it could be fun
tanks not having the trinkets makes amanthuls probably better for both the raid and furies
i think its more about that if you have gears for it
yea
gotta make up for tank proc
up until the last few days i actually had better gear for bleed than psn according to my sims
but i have gotten like 4 good drops in 2 or 3 days thats a ton of mastery so im sure my psn dps has taken over
i miss my 43% crit though ๐ฆ
hell no, 40 man raids are pure cancer, at least 5 people afk all the time
i miss 10 men
f0k 20 ppl
f0k 40 ppl
best thing done so far is m+ 5 men
now make 10 men raid and we talk
what happened to your #affliction, shantal?
you can raid 10 man, just not mythic
you have to see those numbers
14, good enough
potato tonk pull more
pugs are so cancer
i played affliction on skorpyron, i know big numbers
that's why you try and go with a guild group for a less cancerous experience
i dunno i just thought AQ40's were really fun when the game 1st goin
Shouldve taken my advice and play a seat.
this don't even make no sense why is my crit weight so low now >.>
15+
no
Mastery
33.47
Vers
27.49
Agi
27.40
Crit
25.57
Haste
17.53
dht 14 ez
it was #2
did you get mantle
yup
that was one of my big gets a few days ago

Wait how does mantle affect crit value ๐ค
it lowers it
bc i can do atleast 15+ seconds of 100% guaranteed crit right at the start
how does 100% crit chance after vanish lower the value of crit ๐ค

If you enjoy doing seat mythic keys maybe we can interest you in similar hobbies: ramming an axe into your legs, setting yourself on fire or giving yourself chili clysters
if i come in stealth thats 5 seconds of 100% crit plus the opener then vanish is another 5 seconds plus opener and then shadowmeld is another 5 seconds plus opener
thats 15 + 3 openers right off the bat
i do enjoy self immolation
thinking shadowmeld procs shoulders
you probably play male nelf too
female
liar
nope
i'm confused
also shadowmeld doesn't proc mantle
i liked the animation better
so get out with that shit
i thought this was outlaw
it doesn't put you instealth stealth to proc it when you come out of it?
well thats lame i just assumed it would coming out of any stealthed form
only stealth and vanish activate shoulders
The spell that gives you the stealth buff is named stealth i know its confusing
guys, where can i farm Blood of Sargeras? i forgot
the game
i dont even know if you could shadowmeld+stealth mid combat
You can do it in m+ trash
so mythic+ trash mobs
Thats the only use it has
well you need to do more if you only do a 14
sad part is i didn't even know meld wasn't a form of stealth really. i've only been playing Nelf for 2 weeks lol my char. has been orc horde since BC. on mannoroth and just swapped to alliance and dalaran server 2 weeks ago.
nice
can you send me the rest of that cool story via email
i would love to read your lifes story
get out
learn something new but now im a bit dissapointed that it's not a real stealth
that LFR tag
Not even wearable
disenchant
ok brb
ahahaha better than my 980 mythic dog relic
literally unplayable
disenchanting





