o.o
#assassination
topaz quest
shrewd night
Im not even going to say anything
shrewd oriole
shrewd night
slim olive
π€
dire spoke
strange python
@shrewd oriole how many orbs on argus?^^
dire spoke
PB with 5 orbs 
onyx falcon
WTF? IS THAT 50% CRIT AND 300% MASTERY?
dahfuq
can i have those stats
314 mast 50% crit... holy
topaz quest
thats bs xD
shrewd night
need more jpg
devout temple
onyx falcon
@shrewd night that M vari or H vari you streaming
shrewd oriole
that's mythic btw @onyx falcon
shrewd night
mythic
onyx falcon
i didnt see the markers from the camera angles in the back for necro
just took a second for the sht to run through
dire spoke
Is the APL aware of using nibble ring from stealth get's you outta there?
onyx falcon
nibble is mast/haste right?
shrewd night
mast/crit innit?
dire spoke
crit mast
onyx falcon
never had oen that was good enough to replace my current rings
dire spoke
ye got to much vers ... 12% is just poop
onyx falcon
216mast 12 vers
topaz quest
19% vers represting
onyx falcon
not too bad
topaz quest
representing*
dire spoke
@fleet anchor
Is the APL aware of using nibble ring from stealth get's you outta there?
hides
onyx falcon
fking @ ing tc, should just ask in #tc-research
shrewd night
This is how we get ants people
onyx falcon
its not as bad as one time someone @ ed Aethys for some stupid question
was legit a pin question too im pretty sure
dire spoke
sorry for summoning higher forces π»
strange python
Amigud?
shrewd night
I dunno, ask in basic questions.
shrewd oriole
fml
strange python
oh, okay sorry
shrewd night
Are they though π€
strange python
Yeah, they are
lone junco
@dire spoke nibble ring is not in a great spot in apl
strange python
they, yeah are
lone junco
very specifically around the mid block vanish. 4m
strange python
that haste is unavoidable with shoulder and wrist leggo π
lone junco
nibbling blindly at 3m is dumb.
shrewd night
Shoulder wrist 
onyx falcon
i have 1.4% haste w/ shoulders wrist...
strange python
oh, and tier glove
dire spoke
yeah I found that nibble pre-vanish could be best but the apl confused me
lone junco
nibble is 12sec. right?
dire spoke
ye
lone junco
I just bound it to the vanish. so it gets the full kb
dire spoke
that's what I thought
lone junco
but you miss the TB/kb hit
but im lazy and vanish is a nice place for it. esp since ring isnt ready at 2min, and vanish.ring are ready at 4min with bracer.
lone junco
if ttd is < 4min, just line up with a tbkb in the middle.
shrewd oriole
that's a kick from my m+ group π
dire spoke
I see
lone junco
im like 5.8
strange python
@shrewd oriole Your reading must be off, since it says 5.9m, also im not even 960 equipped since i tend to pug and just recently moved and haven't been raiding π
shrewd oriole
the difference between 5.9 and 5.8 is really neglible
lone junco
the low ilvl relics get me.
shrewd oriole
sub 6.2 insta kick from m+ Kappa
lone junco
but dps is higher
shrewd oriole
π
strange python
eh, i do fine in m+, i do em for caches, too lazy to farm em π
lone junco
it is funny that critcobain has really low crit π€
strange python
HEY. don't judge me. I'm busy reloading my shotgun
lone junco
too soon
strange python
I main reaper in overwatch π
dire spoke
I have 3MAss now, but boots are poop due to my spoony off pieces 
lone junco
and there is no "reloading"
maiden dagger
elusive or cheat death for raids and m+ ?
lone junco
and overwatch was bad
strange python
Steviewonder=DH Nicolasrage=warrior britneyfearz=lock, retallica=pally uhhh.. I made a panda priest named bearymanalow
gonna go kms now, baii
maiden dagger
elusive or cheat death for pve
lone junco
I use cheat death for everything. cause it covers my mistakes
strange python
cheat death for anything that's not pvp
lone junco
elusive is pvp
maiden dagger
ok ty
lone junco
edgelords play leeching
shrewd oriole
Elusive is good for some keys
lone junco
if a person is asking, they probably need cd.
maiden dagger
if u know fights, inc dmg, etc, does elusive edge out?
not a noob just lvling a rogue and want to know for future
gaunt moat
flowi
ancient sonnet
you can gain far more from purposefully taking like 80% of your hp then doing vanish stuff
shrewd oriole
@maiden dagger sure, under perfect play elusive is mostly better
shrewd night
I legit outhealed a mistweaver monk and a holy paladin during starboi when that happened
warm parcel
tranquil birch
elusiv has niche uses mostly because cheat death is so op @maiden dagger. Like on mythic tich or gul'dan when we had specific jobs that required maintaining 100% uptime for feint to soak non aoe dmg
strange python
@warm parcel was that a cheapshot i saw after that vanish?
celest junco
!trinket
tranquil birch
π€
dire spoke
!trinkets
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strange python
@warm parcel where can i find this new rotation, im curious as to why we 'd cheapshot
er, new opener
strange python
thought so, lol
strange python
lol
shrewd night
For 15% more damage
strange python
yeaaaaaaaaah
shrewd night
Like hello
strange python
my bad didn't realize, gonna go fix right meow
supple hearth
any 2k+ i.o rogue want to do a 15 upper kara NA/horde?
strange python
shit im only 1.9k and alliance, sorry m8
supple hearth
the 1.9k i could overlook, but being a filthy alliance is the dealbreaker :p
fleet anchor
@dire spoke I would need to check but I think the Sub APL does at least. I donβt believe Asn APL has any special logic for Thumb Ring yet.
If I were to guess I would say it probably doesnβt break Stealth in SimC at the base level since itβs very abnormal that it does. π
strange python
Hi
dire spoke
man this bugs me
midnight latch
π
ripe bone
what i have to do to sim my human rogue as an void elf ?
dire spoke
I believe it's by adding in race=voidelf
shrewd oriole
actually
for me
it worked as voidelf
blood_elf was the one for blood elf but bloodelf didnt workl
meanwhile for void elf, voidelf did
dire spoke
ye it's a prefix
onyx falcon
π€’ human
ripe bone
thx @dire spoke and @shrewd oriole it has worked for me
shrewd oriole
np dude
human is the best alliance race
: (
well guess it's velf now but human is dope
2nd highest simming too
ripe bone
yeah 16k more dps for me
calm grail
Velf isn't shit?
dire spoke
dwarf is #2
dire spoke
for sub
ripe bone
my first thought was OP Racials @ voidelvs but reality hits hard
dire spoke
don't mix shit up
zealous dew
can't play dwarf is too shit too look at
shrewd oriole
16k is nothing proph lol
zealous dew
and still BE silence beats everything., by far
dire spoke
sprinting dwarf is hilarious
shrewd oriole
belf sims super high too
civic palm
Yaknow every day I click back into this window hoping to see TC updates.
dire spoke
uhm ...
civic palm
Just for broken shit.
vapid moth
lmao looking at my normal aggramar logs and its literally a downward curve
civic palm
haha
vapid moth
yeah. yesterday i walked off the stage during searing tempest thinking there was more ground at the edge of the circle
civic palm
ha
dire spoke
I need weak
civic palm
I think I've been there a few times and end up like > _>" please don't hit me.
wweeeaaakk
civic palm
Whaddaya need your afk father for?
dire spoke
the apl is behaving strange for me
civic palm
From my POV the APL has always been weird.
civic palm
ns?
dire spoke
nightstalker?
civic palm
ye
dire spoke
π€·
civic palm
duration of sim?
spiral sleet
anyone got any mythic + they want to run?
warm jay
Does Elusiveness reduce dot damage?
dire spoke
^ yes "all sources except aoe"
warm jay
sweet thanks
dire spoke
I threw it in simulation channel
every second vanish the APL goes vanish > rup
FeelsWeirdMan
civic palm
weirdBois
livid crescent
So velf is set in the simc now last time I checked it wasnβt supported yet praying so losing 30k from human is rough
civic palm
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solemn vapor
thank you
civic palm
π
dire spoke
well racials could look different in 6month lol
livid crescent
29k loss being a void elf T_T
copper kestrel
Do I need to delay vanish/vendetta or try to align other things to them? Or do I just mindlessly cast them on CD.
And with the Toxic Blade 5s delay in the guide for Kingsbane. Is that 5s from the last 9s of Kingbsane. Or 5s from Kingbsane coming off CD? (I assume the former. Which basically makes it, if Toxic Blade comes up during Kingsbane, hold it for the last 9 seconds)
grizzled pagoda
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lone junco
Kb is what 14 sec.
So if tb is ready prior. Hit it before Kb. If it is ready mid Kb. Hold a few sec to buff the tail.
tranquil birch
Yes blaq, just don't hold tb for more than 5s period
lone junco
And hold vanish to align with vendetta when using shoulders.
tranquil birch
the cd is very short, so basically you're only holding if they come off cd at pretty much the same time, or tb comes off cd durring kb with >9s remaining
copper kestrel
Got shoulders. I'll hold vanish. Toxic blaXe hold makes sense.
lone junco
In the opener we tb Kb.
copper kestrel
Noticed that.
lone junco
The open shoulder crits tb. Then crits buffed Kb mh and off hand.
copper kestrel
Ahhhhh
lone junco
And then the vanish buffs a range of the ticks. Don't think it gets the tail tho.
But tb window there buffs the shoulder env spam
copper kestrel
In terms of holding vanish for vendetta. Should I also hold TB for up to 5s to try and get it in there?
lone junco
And since you vendetta before that vanish. You should have E prior to vanish.
But don't vanish with low e.
Need 3env.
copper kestrel
Ofc
lone junco
Practice it if necessary. Nothing worse than a shitty midblock vanish
tranquil birch
sometimes for vanish if it lines up right I like to vanish>env>tb>mut>env
the tb crits are pretty big
lone junco
Buff the Ns env.
tranquil birch
or if you're at 4cp going into vanish, vanish>tb>env
copper kestrel
Right. I'm not gonna get 3 env and a TB
copper kestrel
So NS priority is Env not TB.
And given a shoulders TB costs a shoulders Env. Almost seems like I'm better holding the TB.
tranquil birch
mmm
not if you're at 4cp going in
the ns buffed tb crit is really big
like over 4m for me I think
solemn vapor
sorry for interrupting. I'm trying to understand the discussion but seeing as i'm not fluent in english and a noob a rogue. NS stand for = non steath / TB= Toxic Blade but what about KB ?
exotic glen
its nightstalker
solemn vapor
ah
exotic glen
np
grim valley
solemn vapor
π
crystal fox
yeah lets go with that :p
grave coyote
Lor'themar Solo'd, Lel
Okay we're gonna have to cancel BFA, Sylvanas Solo'd too.
rain pewter
Hi friends
civic palm
We've got 19 trinkets in our Mythic group > _>
Cause some motherfucker didn't show up.
exotic glen
our tank accidentally set loot spec to mistweaver on first trinket week and got healing trinket
plain thistle
yup, and you know what is sad
exotic glen
from there its a 50/50 what you get next, and he got the windwalker trinket then
he still doesnt have tank one
plain thistle
the second trinket is RNG, its not for the lootspec
exotic glen
fucking reee
plain thistle
our druid tank got the agility one even with drop to tank
flint fable
2 of our boomkins got the wrong trinkets on accident so they're kinda screwed for abit
onyx rock
do i have to do the vinikaar questline to get the NC with a 110 boost ?
hazy iron
dumb question time - is it worth holding toxic blade to use on the last 9 seconds of kingsbane? If so, whats an acceptable delay for usage
nevermind, im a dork
found the answer
drowsy island
my itemization is so bad im crying
exotic glen
rip u
drowsy island
i got a 985 crit/verse neck .... and a 985 haste/verse ring >.< mastery is like 150 from 200
hazy beacon
hello, I am afraid that is a pretty frequent question out here but... What is the best use of Vanish after opener? Just spamming Mutilate-envenom if you have shoulders, or time it up for Vendetta window? My vendetta window is pretty crazy, 3 relics plus CoF, so I am very uncertain how it will be once I replace CoF with decent Antorus trinket
weak pine
Time everything else with vanish
That's Vendetta, KB and TB and trinkets if you have any
glad tartan
hey any of u guys seen any sims form Void elf racial ?
spare cloud
Yes
glad tartan
thanks. rerolling humen xD
plain thistle
π
weak pine
what's the human racial?
spare cloud
1% stat on secondarys
glad tartan
insane xD
weak pine
woa
spare cloud
I think
or a flat increase
smth like that
oh its actually 2%
also not flat 2% but just stat gain
so if you get 100 versa you get 102 versa as human
weak pine
so if I have 16k mastery I get 16320?
spare cloud
yup
weak pine
man that's good
vapid moth
my guild just 2 shot coven. we are fianlly done struggling on that boss
dire spoke
wrong, you go horde and just play better
brittle zenith
^
spare cloud
If you do m+ you kinda want to be bloodelf anyways
crystal fox
@vapid moth you struggled on coven for 1 try?
spare cloud
even though it sims lower on flat dps
weak pine
My guild downed vari today after 15 tries
Didn't even have food buff
We would've started using food after few more tries just to get people understand the walking mechanic
Now they're wiping on coven and I'm waiting for the next raid night to prove my worth
weak pine
I don't think I've one-shot any mythic boss
Mainly because I just swapped guilds and the bosses I hadn't downed yet took multiple tries
bleak tusk
weak pine
We almost got KG 2-shot on the 2nd week we killed it (today)
Somebody had to step on a bomb at last add phase
It wasn't jsut a bomb, it was a large cluster of doom
spare cloud
this content it kinda feels like many bosses are very very similar to hc
weak pine
Haven't played any other raid tier/expansion
Can't tell
I don't count normal HFC since I started my career wiping on it before hiatus
spare cloud
Well its probably a subjective opinion but I think the Mythic additions in previous tiers made bigger differences than this tier
even though they just add one or 2 mechanics anways
vapid moth
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weak pine
8 adds per intermission, they explode faster, big debuff that 1-shots people within 20 yards after 2 seconds, never-ending stream of adds that can't be hard CCd foreevr
spare cloud
but thats not a new mechanic
weak pine
Max CC length for small adds is 8s
spare cloud
its just tweaks to already existing ones
spare cloud
Ah im lucky because we already killed it
weak pine
Last week I was 3/11
spare cloud
yeah I know
weak pine
lmao
spare cloud
Honestly when I prepare for a boss I don't really look at such statistics I just look at what interests me on my class
turbid harbor
rip
plain thistle
ohh fuck, 40M HP
spare cloud
Oh boy unlucky
weak pine
Somebody messed up somewhere in P1
plain thistle
we wipped at agrammar last night with 10M, 0.1% π¦
weak pine
That's the result
spare cloud
we had that as well
turbid harbor
i had a 9M aggramar wipe
spare cloud
on our aggramar progress we had a 0,2% wipe with 1 person dead almost whole fight
plain thistle
and now we cant do the fucking P3 right
spare cloud
took like 40 trys extra to kill it afterwards
weak pine
40 trys oh god
plain thistle
yeah, we are close to 30 tries after the 0.1% wipe
spare cloud
it always happens
1 very good try and after that its always over for a while
I havent done kj since tomb is over
and i honestly don't want to
pug it? hell no π
weak pine
I did a HC run with guild
Got to avatar
then my laptop decided to run out of battery
When I logged back in first thing I saw was 3 people getting AotC
->Straight back to pugs
spare cloud
I havent done pug progress since highmaul
ofc, afterwards for farm and stuff
but I'd rather not at this point π
it's fun to watch them suffer when you've already done the stuff though
weak pine
All I see is thrash
I pugged heroic antorus some time ago just to test my gear/rotation
I was 600k ahead the 2nd dps
We wiped twice on both garothi and felhounds
storm canopy
Do you still rupture at 5 combo points? been a while since ive played rogue and cant find anything about it on ravenhold
vapid moth
@storm canopy you should. plan ahead and it will happen. usually
@weak pine that was just a shitty pug holy shit.
dont think ive ever wiped on garothi pug
delicate gorge
Guys, i need that meme with an angry guy and a discord notification we usually use when someone does an ateveryone on discord. Could you help me please
weak pine
delicate gorge
thanks a lot
wise frigate
vapid moth
no one is gonna judge my log?
wise frigate
TURBOTASTIC
vapid moth
@gilded lark
wise frigate
No Jelo.
gilded lark
go away
vapid moth
lmao go away he says
weak pine
I'm judging your 3MA+3MAlch
If you ask me it was a good log
but you didn't even budge for golganneth?
weak pine
swap to the real raiding server
prime void
Finally. Bracers have been looted. Last leggo π
hazy beacon
hey @weak pine thanks for answering earlier about vanish, may I clarify? You said I should time everything for Vanish. Which would be the right way, assuming I got everything backed for vanish-refresh garrote Rupture, then apply Vend->Tb->KB->Vanish and Envenom spam, Or vanish->Vend tb kb and 1 envenom?
congratulations @prime void
that is a curse
weak pine
Keep garrote and rupture up at all times
And when you go for combo you vanish->vendetta->TB->KB->Envenom->Muti->Envenom
and continue normal rotation
civic palm
All of those answers can be found in our lovingly crafted, artisanal guide :3
hazy beacon
@civic palm are you talking about Ravenholdt guide?
civic palm
I am speaking of the one linked at the top of this very Discord window, so yes.
lethal swan
if i have 4 cp do i just go ahead and rupture?
spare cloud
depends
civic palm
If you need to refresh it and are under 7 seconds remaining, sure.
spare cloud
revo, what legendaries do you have?
weak pine
@spare cloud why would you not?
spare cloud
because nighstalker?
weak pine
Last time I checked TB deals more dmg than envenom
civic palm
Moreso you should ask for clarification because there's no telling how much someone knows.
hazy beacon
@civic palm because all that Ravenholdt guide says about about vanish on rotation is "Use rupture and don't break it with non-NS vanish, with shoulders use envenom". And that's it
civic palm
So use ENV with shoulders, and Rup otherwise, what's the issue?
slate rock
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spare cloud
where does tb do more dmg than evenom
am i missing smth?
in those kind of situations
civic palm
When you ENV for 3CP
civic palm
Probably never.
hazy beacon
I came here to ask whether it's worth it to keep vanish for full burst combo, and what was more important to me-should I apply Vanish buff before I apply burst combo, after burst combo for more ticks, or just spam Muti-Envenom everytime I have vanish
weak pine
wtf are you using
civic palm
During the ROTATION, when you have Vanish and Vendetta up, you should use VANISH and then EVENOM with shoulders.
spare cloud
Yeah
civic palm
At no point in time during a fight will Vanish ~> Rupture deal more damage.
or Vanish ~> TB
or Vanish ~> KB
assuming you are using Nightstalker and Shoulders/Mantle.
civic palm
The Guide dictates the singular optimal answer given your talents and legendaries.
grave elk
hey guys what key do u have fan of knives on? i feel super awk using 4, since i have to tab to switch targets during cleave rotation
civic palm
3+ targets
weak pine
Maybe I'm having issues is because I haven't slept in over 24 hours
civic palm
FoK @ 3+ targets, Rupture up to 3 targets.
weak pine
are you even reading the question?
weak pine
π€
spare cloud
I have Fan of Knives on F, because the ability is named Fan of Knives.
weak pine
I have kick on F
spare cloud
Kick is on K
vapid moth
no i didnt budge for golganeth. my guild is unstable enough as is so fuck that shit
civic palm
That is not wise.
hazy beacon
@civic palm to conclude, I should just use vanish with anything I have off CD plus envenom, and I shouldn't keep it for big boi burst with vendetta
spare cloud
Yes it is, because I am an Aye-Aye
weak pine
You hold on to your cooldowns to line up a nice rotation
spare cloud
THAT IS
hazy beacon
my question was about smart Vanish usage, smart vendetta usage is obvious
spare cloud
if you don't lose vanish casts
If you want the smartass answer, you save vanish for your vendettas unless you use a cast at the end of the fight
in that case you vanish earlier
vapid moth
You keep Vanish for when your shit is up. you only get 3-4 Vanish per fight. may as well spend them efficiently
hazy beacon
thanks a lot @spare cloud
weak pine
3-4?
hazy beacon
and Xae
spare cloud
But that usually doesn't happen as assa
weak pine
What are you on, argus or something
strange python
That feel when you get your hidden artifact appearance
spare cloud
because vanish has a long cooldown and vendetta is very short
vapid moth
yeah well it matters more on the hgiher fights
spare cloud
so in most cases you play the explained rota with vendetta
weak pine
I got my hidden appearance from random mob in dalaran
strange python
Same I got it from the wild mage
hazy beacon
vend is very short when 6 lvls into artifact perk and using CoF
weak pine
Didn't care before i had it and the aquisition certainly didn't weaver my mind
strange python
I thought it was from the Mana sweeper only
civic palm
If we're being advanced, the only other time you ever worry about lining Vanish up with anything is the last 5 seconds of KB.
Never hold Vendetta, pool for 100% ENV uptime during KB, pool a little for nice ENV spam during TB.
If you find that things are "lining up" with Vanish don't try and be fancy with Vanish, it's combo'd best with the last 5 seconds of KB, and during Vendetta.
spare cloud
you want to save combo points so you get to 5 after you use Vendetta -> TB -> KB then you wait until you have enough energy to cast 3 evennoms while vanish
vapid moth
i got it from my second underbelly mob. didnt even know a hidden artifact skin existed back then
civic palm
Make sure to never go through the final 30% of a boss without Vanishing once (if you have bracers).
spare cloud
yeah that is also to consider
thats why i was asking for the legendaries you are using
civic palm
Never hold Vanish through an entire Vendetta Duration if using it now can get you another one before the boss is dead.
spare cloud
the later the vanish usage the more it will hurt you if you dont get to use it anymore
that is if you have bracers
vapid moth
honestly if you dont use bracers are you even living (unless its kin)
civic palm
Nope.
hazy beacon
great tips, put them on guide please. Or they were in FAQ?
I mean, I know I sound stupid but I'm one of them guys who just got BiS legos from tokens and have no idea(and not worthy of bis legos but legion is legion)
weak pine
On some bosses like Heroic Imonar vari I just hold on to it and use it on execute phase
civic palm
They are in the guide for the most part.
Imonar timing can be fucky given raid DPS.
That's for sure.
spare cloud
You can kind of assume those things if you follow everything in the guide
vapid moth
when your raid takes too fucking long to get accross the brigde
quick ice
aka literally always? π¦
civic palm
When your raid has excellent damage and your timers are fuuuuuuuuuuuuucked.
vapid moth
oh i feel that
vapid moth
we killed hounds right as vanish came off CD
civic palm
SIX MORE SECONDS GUYS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE COME ON FUCK NOOOOO come baaaaaaack.
weak pine
logs into rogue ->checks guild for online people->notice the 3 other online members are all rogues
quick ice
I always have KB come back up at 62% on mythic and its like "do I pop it and hope we take long enough on bridge?"
gilded lark
when an officer is doing 800k dps but you can't kick them because they outrank you
vapid moth
broad that one hurt
quick ice
@vapid moth all of our vari kills have been bang on 4min
civic palm
What we did was get the shitter to try other classes.
hazy beacon
@spare cloud I got 2 rogues in my guild, both assa, 1 does big boy bursts and 2nd just gives everything out on CD, like, for real. Both are doing literally the same DPS + -, and more often than not 2nd guy pulls ahead. I know it depends on bombs a lot yet still I had 2 "teachers" driving me opposite ways, and 2 guides that are not going deep on that. So here I am
vapid moth
the other rogue in my guild really pokes at my parses but his orange comes from like a week after antrous opening
weak pine
I got a 97 on heroic argus because my group took so long in P1 I got a full combo off with 5 stacks of the buff
gilded lark
they never do their own hero
and they believe mast > crit
they use living bomb on single target
civic palm
I don't wanna use a book...
spare cloud
The style you play depends on your gear most of the time
civic palm
They fucking wreck Tomb > _> is what they do.
quick ice
fire mages light stuff on fire
weak pine
I got a 100 on High command heroic, came form the day the tier opened
gilded lark
my mage is fire, i'm 14 ilevels below said mage
i beat them by 400k
and i don't have the hero ring
spare cloud
I'm never lucky with PB
I always get them on aoe packs when there is 1 mob left with 20%
vapid moth
lol that was me today
others in the m+ group pulling 16mill dps and i come in with a pb proc on the last ad
spare cloud
I'm shy
civic palm
Don't randomly fucking @ them.
vapid moth
notter has a big dick
spare cloud
guess I'm staying white
vapid moth
you will enjoy it
spare cloud
On other discords i noticed that @ 'ing mods works 10/10 times
quick ice
it does here too
glacial copper
is umbral moonglaive still op for m+
http://prntscr.com/ia89wp
spare cloud
You still use it for burst
but then again, depends on how high youre going
but then again you're kinda cutting yourself when you play assa in low keys
drifting cosmos
tyran weeks
spare cloud
unless youre that one guy that always gets pb's on the first rupture
glacial copper
well its better than what i had b4 just rerolled
gilded lark
with that name pls reroll back
glacial copper
xd
spare cloud
I like your profile picture
glacial copper
its pretty gr8, is it vanish like 3s into umbral? so that you have bonus damage for the end
spare cloud
assuming the mobs live that long, considering you just rerolled
gilded lark
if you have mantle, you vanish for the last 5s
glacial copper
i was a shadow priest b4 that so still better off in m+ in general
gilded lark
it's the wheelchair he rolled in on
weak pine
Can somebody explain to me why Envenom does more damage than toxic blade when used with vendetta and NS+mantle
civic palm
Because ENV does more damage.
lone junco
Lol
spare cloud
Yes
spare cloud
it doesn't if you evenom with 3 CP.
lone junco
Put on grey daggers and take off trinkets and just whack a dummy.
weak pine
Is the tooltip wrong then
lone junco
Oh look. That's hits harder so I want to buff with ns
spare cloud
tooltips, how do they work?
gilded lark
answer, they don't
weak pine
Even wowhead says TB does more dmg
civic palm
Yeah well it's obvious which one does more damage > _>
gilded lark
are you looking at the tooltip on wowhead
lone junco
Just hit the dummy. Things scale. Some don't.
spare cloud
why would you trust information blindly like that
lone junco
Grey daggers.
weak pine
I am looking for deeper reasoning behind my observations
spare cloud
there are some things that arent said in the tooltip that you have to consider
even if you assume that the tooltips are always correct
gilded lark
to be fair, gray daggers would work in tb's favor
because you know
traits
that buff env dmg
civic palm
Result is the same.
spare cloud
got them all in my 970 relics
lone junco
That's your problem.
spare cloud
jk i don't have any
lone junco
Env relics suck.
quick ice
says a bleedyboi
weak pine
what's grey daggers?
lone junco
I think the apl for bleed is wrong. So. Meh
spare cloud
grey daggers are daggers that have a grey text color as their name
gilded lark
how dense are you
lone junco
So sim all you want π
spare cloud
I just rerolled to rogue back then
I had no idea
not saying I have any ideas nowadays
weak pine
nvm
quick ice
still think you should fush for bota @lone junco ?
weak pine
I got confused
gilded lark
obviously
gilded lark
you'd think you'd be good at it by now
quick ice
DH is simple compared to anything tbh
lone junco
@quick ice specifically at the bracer vanish. absolutely.
weak pine
I thought I had little less hours than that
spare cloud
which is kinda disappointing
lone junco
not sure about the others. but I take that 1 extra swipe. sometimes.
weak pine
Is there something that affects Envenom damage that doesn't affect KB? Other than the relic trait
lone junco
but pushing out a 25M-30M single cast rupture is the goal.
quick ice
problem becomes how long and how you fish for it I'd guess
quick ice
you'd have to be running 2p T20 or you'd run into garrote issues, yeah?
lone junco
ye 2p4p.
quick ice
oh wait, bleedy always does that
gilded lark
no, you don't vanish kb either jelo.
spare cloud
Oh god
gilded lark
you vanish envenom with mantle
spare cloud
what have we done
lone junco
tbh, if I had 3BB i would jump 85k.
gilded lark
we didn't just learn this information yesterday
these aren't conclusions we came to because we felt like it
spare cloud
but the real question is
lone junco
if I had 3Malch, I would jump like 85k on the MPTB.
gilded lark
listen to the fucking guides.
spare cloud
why do I not Vanish Mutilate for more combopoints?
lone junco
wut
lone junco
hes trolling
gilded lark
yes i'm aware
slate rock
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
spare cloud
Sorry I kinda fell for it after the "what are grey daggers" question
gilded lark
you should leave
lone junco
simple testing can be done without the artifact. if you question the TC.
find your own answer
if you dont want to do your own testing, then either believe the TC or make shit up and yolo
I prefer to yolo the bleed. cause fuck it. I like the bota fish, and it may be a loss. but it seemsgood
spare cloud
thats most likely going to work
lone junco
im not telling you to play bleed. bleed sucks.
just if you dont belive the TC, then you are on your own.
stark heart
Bota fish 
spare cloud
I'm rerolling to hemorrhage Shadow focus
lone junco
@stark heart the bracer vanish specifically. but yeah.
and that stupid frog is stupid.
stark heart
spare cloud
πΈ
lone junco
spare cloud
I think Toxic blade and marked for death would make a good combo
stark heart
And anti
lone junco
anti is gross. i have decided that it is 3Malch or dont bother.
stark heart
Mfd really can't compete with vr sadly
lone junco
was like 100k loss.
weak pine
with 
π€
stark heart
Anti is actually cool to play with
spare cloud
how about internal bleeding + hemorrhage
lone junco
I played it for a bit.
spare cloud
next level
lone junco
i did ep anti and had 96 EP 95 env 94 2p or something
and like 0 dps
need those DP relics or dont bother.
stark heart
I did almost whole heroic with it and it was just fine
spare cloud
You don't want to google hemo and then just select the first recommended option
stark heart
Dp?
lone junco
deadly poison.
stark heart
I mean you need malch for poison regardless
stark heart
But it's not the end of the world to not have them
stark heart
Exsang
lone junco
again with the frog
spare cloud
πΈ
civic palm
No kink-shaming please.
lone junco
the frog or the blood?
stark heart
I have no idea how anti is for exsang
stark heart
Do you have gear for tb?
lone junco
yeah. just bad relics.
spare cloud
Anti with exsang
lone junco
31/180
stark heart
Weird
spare cloud
accidentally replacing rupture after 1 sec
stark heart
Oh that lowery crit value
spare cloud
wt
lone junco
after that. checked a 3dp swap and that jumped 80k
stark heart
I replaced all my gems and chants to crit for them juicy 4 cp muti
lone junco
so 3malch, or dont bother.
quiet ginkgo
what WA are you guys using for tracking stuff? Notter's are bit wee small
stark heart
My own
civic palm
I am using my WA's.
lone junco
same.
civic palm
We're such fucking help, hahaha.
old sphinx
mine^^
spare cloud
Notters but scaled to 100
lone junco
I have bars that slide.
i didnt even put the icon there, so sometimes i forget which is which.
actually, I like it a lot. I use bars for short cds like env.
civic palm
Whereas I have icons for most things.
lone junco
icon for rupture garrote vend.
spare cloud
I used to do that thing with the bars as well
but then you can't change the font of all weakauras in the group anymore
lone junco
short as a bar. long as a number
spare cloud
so I decided to only use icons in my group
lone junco
i dgaf a bout fon t or spacing.
civic palm
Mine btw - https://wago.io/p/MizerokWoW
spare cloud
If I use bars I sometimes think they are dbm bars and I run out of my own poison bomb
lone junco
@stark heart anyway. the apl to give a >=1 rupture before vend mut mut vanish rupture garrote exang.
jumps the bota chance from 0s 10s 0.35x1 to 0s, 7s 10s 13s, 0.35x2
lone junco
even if the pandemic bota isnt there it would be 0 7 10 10
w/e ill keep doing it. that 27-30M rupture is my πΈ
spare cloud
what is that icon
I had to hover over it before understanding what it was
when do you use exsanguinate?
lone junco
blocked
spare cloud
π¦
thats fine by me the blocked message takes up more space than what i usually write anyways
civic palm
Well at least he told you?
Whelp it's passed midnight. I can tell due to the lewd shit on my twitter feed > _>
Mmmm, 90's kid nostalgia.
spare cloud
Its 6:35 AM here
civic palm
Yeah well get outta Germany or wherever.
spare cloud
Oh no you know my location
spare cloud
time to turn on the V P N
civic palm
I know the ADMIN for your favorite VPN, will ask for logs.
S O C I A L E N G I N E E R I N G
spare cloud
You won't be able to get into my butt anyways
civic palm
I've seen the pics in the mirror.
spare cloud
I have the protection of excesseve anal hair
civic palm
n o k i n k s h a m i n g
spare cloud
i*
civic palm
Enough silly names.
spare cloud
I forgot who you were for a second
spare cloud
Not changing the profile picture added to the disguise
civic palm
Is he the same person? OR IS IT A RUSE?!
spare cloud
HOW DO WE KNOW YOU'RE NOT FAKE NOW?
wise frigate
How are we real if our eyes aren't real in mirrors?
spare cloud
omg you destroyed the rp experience
vapid moth
You fuckers distracted broad with your fuckery just as he was gonna fuck around with my fucking logs
wise frigate
#ShittyQuotes
vapid moth
... So many uses for the term fuck
wise frigate
Fuck.
civic palm
Literally infinite.
vapid moth
*fucking infinite
civic palm
Not that usage.
gilded lark
nah i saw your opener is wrong and didnt bother with the rest of the log
civic palm
ifnufcikniintge
vapid moth
Wut
spare cloud
what is the correct way to play the opener?
civic palm
BAHAHAHA
vapid moth
Rip lol
spare cloud
AHH I REMEMBER
civic palm
CHECK THE FUCKING GUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE
spare cloud
that blocked guy is the guy who claimed that you should open with mutilate or some shit
civic palm
The one that opens KICK is right
spare cloud
Yeah
civic palm
MUT opener made sense for a bit and for the wrong reasons.
vapid moth
Actually I'm pretty sure It just fucked up. The KB gave me 2 cp instead of 3
spare cloud
you start with disrespecting your opponent so he gets angry and makes more mistakes
kick opener is the best opener
civic palm
Partial block on KB will net lower CP than you should get.
Known issue.
For the entire expansion.
spare cloud
NS kick adds even more value
vapid moth
Well how am I supposed to know of its never been an issue for me before
civic palm
You just never saw it.
vapid moth
Exactly
civic palm
WITH YOUR E Y E S
vapid moth
Yeah
spare cloud
I don't even have a pantheon trinket on my rogue by now
civic palm
FoK for 1CP on 12 targets, mmmm
civic palm
...
spare cloud
On aoe all the crit you need comes from mantle anyways.
echo cargo
Unless it's like a 20 fort
radiant osprey
henlo im kinda back on wow after like 3 months, what are the bis legendaries looking like now? im guessing no longer shoulders/boots
civic palm
On AoE all you need is 5 seconds.
echo cargo
then it helps to have crit
btw not sure how many people run M+ but
terminus signaling beacon is actually amazing
spare cloud
I stopped reading after henlo for a second because I thought it was one of those twitch troll posts.
raw stag
Dumb question but, I always keep crip and deadly on right?
echo cargo
you can pop it from stealth far away, restealth and refresh your crit buff
and the entire ship's barrage is critted
spare cloud
well it depends
on most bosses crippling poison wont do anything
also sometimes you don't want to slow
raw stag
ya..
vapid moth
Yawn
raw stag
Is wound any good?
spare cloud
for pvp it is
spare cloud
if thats what you're into
vapid moth
It's not good for either
gilded lark
pvp is a minigame for casuals
raw stag
No I raid and m+ only
vapid moth
You get a talent for wound poison in pvp
radiant osprey
gr8
raw stag
So I only keep deadly?
vapid moth
Yes
spare cloud
the reason why I don't do pvp is because of the tanks i see on those world quests.
vapid moth
Why would anyone even consider wound
gilded lark
because they don't read their weapon traits
spare cloud
By now i'm not sure if he's trolling
vapid moth
I use leeching though
wise frigate
Leeching is bae for any non-one-shotty content.
Sorry, Vaginal Cream. Damn autocorrect.
vapid moth
Crip has never benefited me. Not even in world stuff. With leech if Iβm dying itβs just like βdo more damage thenβ
gilded lark
then i'll never bring you for necrotic
vapid moth
Well thatβs different
civic palm
Yeah cause Misery gives a shit
stark heart
@lone junco wat?
spare cloud
too much theory