they'll still be below 90% way too fast.
#assassination
gaunt moat
gaunt moat
makes more sense to use bracers cause that's when they just have to die
lone junco
So the exang shoulder open is funny
Garrote rupture vendetta (bota?) no? Kb rupture (no?) mut rupture (yes) mut mut vanish rupture exang.
If that first one bota Then vendetta mut mut vanish rupture exang mut env mut
It pulls the vendetta away from the exang. But in a 1min fight I don't care.
prime void
kin adds fall below 90 in literally a global
lone junco
The first one does. Our 2nd is slower. And we have 2adds stacked and 2or3 on the 3rd
civic palm
BL for second add?
lone junco
Yeah.
onyx rock
"If I get the 3rd" What do you mean ? You Split in 2 Groups and when the 2 Ads are dead you go together to the third 🤔
civic palm
hmmm
prime void
kill first- pot second- lust third
supple hearth
@frigid lagoon
onyx rock
Wait are you talking about Heroic ?
lone junco
Yes. We do heroic. It's been on farm for like 4weeks tho.
prime void
:0
onyx rock
Nvm then
prime void
^
lone junco
You must be new here
prime void
I just dont memorize everyones prog and guild
when I swap between sub and sin often.
Lot of fuckers to remember
lone junco
I keed.
prime void
I recognize like 4 people lol
lone junco
civic palm
Well at least that's something.
onyx rock
I only one...
prime void
4 > 0 yknow
onyx rock
Uni ♿
prime void
I'm killing it in my book
Got agg to 5% on thursday, plz kill me
really wanted to have it down on second night of prog 😦
lone junco
Id love to do mythic. But would have to be 2night else it comes with a divorce
lone junco
It's a kindergarten activity book. She starts in fall and can already read.
Kiddo is going to be bored out of her mind.
civic palm
Yo being able to read is legit a great sign she's not mentally retarded.
#aheadofthecurve
onyx rock
Would be s good rogue i guess
lone junco
Not enough princesses in current meta. Will need time.
civic palm
butmuhVoidPrincess
lone junco
She does set my mog.
civic palm
R E S P O N S I B I L I T I E S
lone junco
Picked out a resiculous slut mog for fem pally belf
civic palm
T A S T E
civic palm
_> okGurl
cyan plinth
whats the openers for pvp as assass
crystal fox
you have two options, garrote or cheapshot, chose wisely
velvet nebula
any tips , how to refresh wp page. It doesnt refresh for 8 days!
pressing refresh button doesnt work
civic palm
I assume you want the information on the page to update, which has to be done on their side and cannot be done on yours.
Refreshing on your side would cause old information that you had stored on your computer to be removed in favor for the new information though.
velvet nebula
earlier i clicked on refresh button
and it wrote refreshing nob
now*
but now when i click it says " u are in queue" and in a few sec just disappears
civic palm
Nothing to refresh then I would assume.
civic palm
ok
civic palm
or there is no information to refresh.
velvet nebula
do u hear yourself?
velvet nebula
i just asked some easy question
civic palm
if you try to refresh and nothing refreshes, then there is nothing to refresh.
velvet nebula
if u dont know, dont try to explain
civic palm
Nice try but that's not what I said.
velvet nebula
muted
civic palm
Nice.
velvet nebula
sry
carmine tartan
🐒
gilded lark
People are thin skinned today
velvet nebula
i just asked an easy question
gilded lark
The fotm babies must be bored of windwanker
civic palm
People think they know better, ask questions on something they seem to know things about, and then refuse anything that goes against what they know.
velvet nebula
why u try to solve the problem if u are so nooby in this quist
civic palm
Mute me or FUCK OFF.
gilded lark
Why ask about wowprog in the assassination channel
supple hearth
just a friendly reminder the only giggleapproved insult is 🥄
velvet nebula
because earlier i got answered this quest
civic palm
Is there a WoWProg Discord? I assume that there is.
velvet nebula
@gilded lark raider io doesnt show dps
civic palm
Oh boi.
gilded lark
I got a 40 min mute when i told someone to "go fok themselves" but this goes unpunished 😒
civic palm
ooo
gilded lark
😊
keen inlet
supple hearth
Don plz tell broad how much i stick up for and love him
civic palm
Look Giggle gets harrased all day, has to take it out on someone.
supple hearth
tysm
feral flare
Question: In the Sun guide under Argus Tips, Argus, Phase 4 it states "Make sure to use a Potion of Prolonged Power here" Is this wise to wait until phase 4? I pop my first pot on Argus just after the first phase transition when Gift is stacked.
gilded lark
feral flare
Sin*
supple hearth
tumna isnt around for me to 🥄 anymore
keen inlet
It's true we have to save you from Notter the Bully
civic palm
Potions get refreshed during the Argus encounter.
gilded lark
Do you die in argus mythic?
plain thistle
yes you do
feral flare
Yeah they get refreshed after you die. This is before.
gilded lark
So you get 3 pots fam
keen inlet
Man i traveled three times zones today
gilded lark
4 monkaS
feral flare
Pre-pot, post-pot, post death-pot. Im talking about that post-pot.
keen inlet
It's 722 and I'm ready to sleep
gilded lark
Its 923 and im in bed
feral flare
Guide says to use it on phase 4 as opposed to phase 2 with Gift up/
civic palm
On pain meds and blood thinner ugh kill me.
gilded lark
Do the right thing don
plain thistle
you can do on both
keen inlet
🙋
civic palm
^ ^ ^ trust that guy
plain thistle
that you get from phase 4?
feral flare
Phase 1-2
civic palm
Yeah Prolonged last about an entire eon.
feral flare
Pre-pot wont last all the way until phase transition though when you have max Gifts.
gilded lark
He raids with 800k dps mythic raiders, they take a long time in p1
civic palm
hahaha
feral flare
So I pre-pot, then when the first phase ends, post pot with 3-5x Gift stacks to push to add phase 3.
gilded lark
Not that i know. Guild wiped on heroic argus at 0.4%
civic palm
= \
gilded lark
Because for some reason we bring heals doing 500k hps and dps doing 600k-1m dps
civic palm
You would probably do more damage on the heroic vuln. adds than you would using the pot during the buff phase.
gilded lark
He's talkin mythic i think?
plain thistle
no
feral flare
Not talking Mythic. Heroic. Sorry
gilded lark
Zzz
civic palm
:3
plain thistle
you pre pot, the second pot will be used for the adds
and the third in the 4 phase
gilded lark
So for heroic. Pre pot. Pot p3. Pot 4
feral flare
Yes 3, im talking about the time to use the second.
gilded lark
P4*
plain thistle
you use for the adds
gilded lark
You dont need p2 pot
plain thistle
you get 100% more nature damage there
civic palm
and physical if you ruptured the top add :3
gilded lark
Frost add is where the winners are
civic palm
"Winners"
feral flare
Interesting. Thanks for the tips folks.
gilded lark
0.4% wipe i was at i think 2.0-2.1m dps
And i sim 1.85 w/o panth procs
So good
Love that add phase
civic palm
Yeah just checked my best Argus parse.
2M something
2.02
None DP/NS BS.
In fact my DP/NS parse was worse by 100k.
bahahaha
wintry kayak
guys the best comb of relics is 3 Master Assassin + 3 Master Alchemist? or more Master Assassin?
civic palm
and we have constantly awful buffs =\
You can't have more than 3 of any relic trait bonus.
gilded lark
Parses towards the last wipes were bad
civic palm
Dying post 30% is enraging.
gilded lark
Because if like 4 people died i just killed myself
Yeah 0.4% was infuriating
Next pull was 2%
civic palm
y u no evasion tank ya bby
gilded lark
Last pull of the night was p3
Feelsbad
All we had to do was kick our worst dps lol
gilded lark
Which is coincidentally our "raid leader" call out person
civic palm
Just add a little lag.
gilded lark
Who's timers are as off as her understanding of fire mage
civic palm
hahaha
gilded lark
Shard of the exodar, never asks for 2nd hero
civic palm
Just be like Quin and use DBM and BW.
gilded lark
Bis legos, 700k dps
civic palm
and three DPS meters with one of them set to an old fight.
civic palm
🐀 more like.
Though let's be honest... that's a mouse.
🐁
that's more of a rat.
Look at that RED EYE.
gilded lark
Albino mouse
gilded lark
Someone boost my horde bdk thru antorus and m+
civic palm
noty
gilded lark
:(
civic palm
Highest Horde is 100
gilded lark
Rip
civic palm
Need to find a toon to boost to 110 for horde allied dooders.
gilded lark
Mine was 76 until i boosted it
civic palm
Probably my Vanilla Rogue > _>
civic palm
I wonder how long the delay is for WoWProg updates are now that progression is "over".
gilded lark
Who cares its wowprog?
civic palm
Still curious you fucker.
gilded lark
Lul
civic palm
If they don't gate that shit they lose a lot of money on bandwidth >_ >
gilded lark
civic palm
🌆
lone junco
aww. guy said "not used to getting beat"
i ll take that as a complement.
ran a few bracer boot tyrannicals. exang is really smoot there.
(upper)
glacial copper
quick question, thinking about rerolling to rogue for bfa, is sin good for m+ or only sub?
glacial copper
yeah im just wondering about current performance
cosmic nacelle
sub is generally better then sin right now for mythic plus because their damage is reliable
their are some keys at higher level were sin is better tho
but the aoe damage you get from sub is much better then sin
glacial copper
thanks
lone junco
@bosscoffee ?
lone junco
timing for exang on curator is really nice.
1.7 was low cause we died like bitches. but the 10M peak is good to see
lone junco
yeah. I like it for tyrannical.
3x melee for that fight doesnt seem ideal. but 2 pugs i did both ran that.
orbs all over the place.
obsidian spire
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
vapid moth
Question. If you don’t pick up loot from a raid boss will it be mailed to you?
wise frigate
Legion raid bosses, yeah.
lone junco
One of you guys wanna carry me in an upper K? Pugging has been a shit show.
lone junco
Horde na.
wise frigate
I mean I do have a 17 Upper on my rogue that needs running.
lone junco
I do pretty well In upper. About 1.9m overall.
wise frigate
I'm a shitter so I dunno how I do in Upper tbh.
unborn root
Is there an easy way to calculate crit chance?
a 960 EoC give 2150 crit, but im not sure how much that translates to
in percentage
just did a bit of napkin math
my 930 gives 1920 crit which is about 4.5%
thats a difference of around 230 which is a little over half a percent
so a 960 gives 5% crit at max stats
and a ton more agi, obviously
yeah like 900 more agi
jesus
obsidian spire
https://gyazo.com/ab980c1aa95e9187fd35f3b9e33ce85d ahhhhh its a bit rusty lmao
lone junco
@supple hearth thanks. That was a bit faster than Im used to. those mass grips were like 2 or 3 of our normal pulls.
lone junco
@unborn root when you run your sim, you can go to the html output and see the dps crit averages. your autoattack avg should be around base crit.
strange python
I did a lot better after learning my rotations I was 3rd highest dps on antorus tonight
I still need to do better the Sim said I can do around 200k better
lone junco
if no one in your raid is logging, just run the WCL desktop tool and autoupload logs yourself. best way to figure out what to improve on.
rustic rock
what is the rationale behind keeping Master Assassin relics at 1 or 3 only? I have like +4 points in it now, 2 from relics and 2 from tier 3 netherlight? should i just get Master Alchemist traits?
lone junco
its an alignment issue with vanish and shoulder
past canyon
how many cp do i refresh rupture at, or i just keep it up with any cp?
lone junco
typ 4+
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
past canyon
the guide actually didnt say how many cp for rupture only envenom btw
rustic rock
@lone junco i see, is 3 the optimum? or am i good with 1? yes i know i can sim
lone junco
if you have shoulders, focus on 3Malch and 1/3. if you get a vendetta dp its not the end of the world.
if you use brace/boot then 1,2,3 vend are all good things.
tranquil birch
@past canyon it's still 4 you don't want to waist combo points forcing 5cp
stone fable
hollly ballz those pulls where poison bomb refuses to proc hurt bad...
fiery sage
haha worth race change to nightborne? 😄
wind rain
does
civic palm
1PB worth more than your race.
zealous dew
BE king of M+ and will always be
spice surge
Yeah nerfing the cd isnt gonna make much of a difference generally
Theyll have to change something else if they dont want it to be broken
short oak
is there a % your crit needs to be to beh gud?
zealous dew
raidbots has your answer
short oak
are you talkin about stat weights?
exotic glen
yes, he is
wise frigate
There is no "magic crit %" or someshit.
short oak
well crit is pre much = to my mastery
wise frigate
That's why he recommended to just sim it out and salt to taste.
short oak
i think its cause i never get lucky and get a good 960 neck or ring. Always get pieces for which I already have tier. Can never replace those vers/crit pieces feelsbadman
so thats why my crit is like 24% and vers is 11 %
monkaS
zealous dew
not so good
glacial copper
😦
zealous dew
unless you have worse options
glacial copper
i just rerolled from a class where its bis never got one but first relinq on my rogue and its cof xd
zealous dew
910 ?
glacial copper
yeah
zealous dew
well, keep fishing 😃
glacial copper
thanks for the reply
spice surge
Its decent
But just at the same ilvl, if you get better trinkets at higher ilvl use those
simple portal
On mythic felhounds tonight. When is optimal times to use cloak if any ?
spice surge
After being gripped
simple portal
So more shadow dog abilities. Ok Thankyou !
spice surge
But it doesnt really matter tbh
quick ice
I usually go for "when I feel like I could die if I get hit by this or the healers don't heal me"
simple portal
😄
jovial kite
if a boss has no cloak soak mechanics i just use it to minimize downtime / maximise dps or save myself from dying
95% of the time feint should be enough
when its not cloak is
wide ridge
Hey guys I switched mains when nighthold launched, and I'm coming back to rogue again. I have some questions if you guys don't mind answering, would really appreciate
Is mantle still bis legendary?
Is the best optimal opener still : garrote>mutilate>rupture>vendetta>toxicblade>kingsbane>vanish>envenom...
thanks in advance
proper pendant
jsut got lego boots
they solid?
i know bracers and shoulders is what i should want
dire spoke
^ check herodamage in pins
runic crescent
@proper pendant boots r gud
wild ledge
Shoulders/bracers/boots generally top 3. But yeah check combinations at herodamage, or even better sim your own combinations
civic hinge
Hey guys, anyone else gets the problem /bug(?) where stealth is instantly broken after vanish so you can't use empowered envenom?
desert karma
Hey guys, how much haste should I have? I just boosted a rogue so new to this spec.
desert karma
oh, I got 21% after clearing lfr 😢
ashen fossil
haste is the worst thing a rogue can have
don't worry about stats till you get to 930-940 imo
ilvl is king till you get there
desert karma
oh, awesome, so I just stack crit - mastery - versa then right?
ashen fossil
mastery>crit>vers generally, but simming is the way to go
brisk forge
Nah screw it once you are higher ilvl start sim yourself
desert karma
awesome, thanks for the help guys 😃
ashen fossil
^^
desert karma
I looked at the resources for the assassa weakauras shown in ravenholdt website but all that I can follow are kingsbane and debuff tracker, not the other stuff shown in the pictures
spice surge
Outlaw is pretty silly nowadays, they're really strong if you get lots of pantheon proccs
SnD+As buff from 4p at the same time as pantheon procc is a very large amount of damage
drifting cosmos
spice surge
I looked at the top log of outlaw on garothi. He got 62 auto attacks during his grand melee buff (the as buff from 4p) with a pantheon procc
Thats outside of hero too, 62 attacks in 10 seconds is pretty insane
civic hinge
Anyone knows if there is a Weakaura that displays the duration of Tb on the target, but with a counter how many Envenom casts i did in the window, much like the KB tracker? I'm not good with Weakauras im afraid^^
gaunt moat
my WAs has a TB timers... but not an amount of envenoms... cause that's just... why
civic hinge
I'm trying to improve my performance, and i noticed that i sometimes cant manage to get 3 Envenoms+ in the TB window, just wanted something that says me "Hey, you did X, but Y would be better". Your KB stack tracking WA helped me a ton in this way
shrewd oriole
If I cant meme what even is the purpose of my existance
gaunt moat
yeah.. but like... that's something you can't track in your head
counting to 2 is pretty easy
@shrewd oriole These rules are not new in any way.
and it doesn't says you can't meme
civic hinge
Yeah i know. I guess if there is a message that rubs it in my face i am more likely to notice it fully
THanks anyway for the reply dude 😃
gaunt moat
just don't spam
like for example
yesterday someone decided to spam the same thing in every channel
old sphinx
wow so creative
hushed spoke
!help
chrome tuskBOT
!simc, !outlawguide, !singuide, !subguide, !enchants, !relics, !trinkets
strange python
@spice surge his arms must hurt.
strange python
Because he attack so fast
civic hinge
btw one question, since i didnt found it in the pinned links (May have missed it), how many stacks of KB are "good", i usually end up with 19-23
shrewd oriole
haHAA
strange python
Well, at least you tried.
shrewd oriole
strange python
And I had a good laugh )
gaunt moat
@civic hinge that's pretty good. but there are other factors, like having TB/vendetta up etc.
i'd say an average good TB is around 6-8m above that is very good
old sphinx
HideThePainHarold in this situation is Wrong Meme usage meme 🚓 doesnt approve.
ashen mantle
is the leggo belt the worst leggo I could get or is it atleast mid tier?
gaunt moat
it can have some uses... but i think it's overall pretty bleh
and gets worst over time when other people do more damage
ashen mantle
just hoping I dont get BIS at bfa release
strange python
When Bfa come out, summer?
ashen mantle
september or before
strange python
So September
strange python
Ok so we have time to farm
strange python
Yes it is pretty simple
strange python
Technically you can get 7 legos from essenes in 6 weeks.
ashen mantle
not if you do everything m8
strange python
It's still luck at the end of the day.
prime void
^^
strange python
I once went a month without lego, then I got 3 in 2 raid nights.
prime void
I do around 100 2s 50 3s 6 invasions a day all lfrs, normal heroic mythic antorus all emissary and farm argus rares in downtime lol
and usally go 1 leggo every 10-14 days
ashen mantle
you need 9 invasions a day m8
silent linden
best build for pve ? bleed or posion
prime void
ok m8
prime void
Huh?
wild ledge
More people playing assa
strange python
yeah
prime void
Just be better than everyone
strange python
worst time to do a name change like me
I'm really trying but I'm missing the analyzer so much, helped me really out as a sub
jovial kite
@warm parcel strim when?
jovial kite
kk
dire spoke
weak 👺
warm parcel
👋
warm parcel
Its all koji working on it really
Im just giving ideas on how to play 😄
And then try and destroy his apl
dire spoke
🤷 brainstorming is gud work too
warm parcel
Of course. Just that koji is actually the person writing stuff
dire spoke
@strange python pk wasn't intended to to brainded dmg, that's why it got fixed
strange python
@dire spoke i know but after all this fixes, pk dosent do inital dmg with fok
thats what i mean
gilded lark
keen inlet
How about no
keen inlet
Didn't expect Don on at these hours eh
strange python
No
keen inlet
Well SURPRISE I've got jet lag
gilded lark
Didn't expect don to be savage at 8am
keen inlet
HaHAA
gilded lark
He's typing it in general channel now
strange python
🤔
gilded lark
Time to be toxic
keen inlet
My observation thus far is that Portland OR is more or less like everywhere else. Weirdness is the new mainstream. Difference being these folks think they're special... But at least they're friendly
strange python
Ty for the feedback, I feel a better outlaw already
gilded lark
gilded lark
Gotta meet my quota
strange python
You made him mad
keen inlet
Nah he was practically a bot
He had no idea what he was saying
Just linking random talking points together
A"i"
strange python
Whats the best lego combo for poison?
gilded lark
Artificial idiocy
strange python
Thanks
gilded lark
Best leg combo is ww helm and chest
dire spoke
@strange python go play hello kitty adventure
dire spoke
it's not a game when you love it
dry zodiac
ty
topaz sail
gaunt moat
never heard that one before..
jovial kite
funny and original
sterile tinsel
are the crucilbe strings on hero dmg accurate? its telling me to use PK relics
honest hamlet
Anyone recommend a good weak aura for ass,, I was sub and the one i had just dont cut it ..the one on the pin looks cool but there is no link where to get it on there just pictures and videos ..
gaunt moat
@honest hamlet check pins
honest hamlet
i look at the notter one like i said it looks cool but there is no link to get it anywhere ..unless i am missing it .. just shows it
sterile tinsel
notter, do u know if the crucible strings are accurate on hero dmg? it says pk relics are upgrade and im not sure if that is correct or if im using the addon incorrectly
gaunt moat
@honest hamlet what do you mean? it's linked in the pins, and then there you've got links to WA string on wago.io
strange python
@Resah when you click the assassination tab, there are the links "assassination debuffs" and "kingsbane stacks" which link to wago.io
gaunt moat
@sterile tinsel they should be afaik.
whenever they run the combinator to update the site, it also updates the crucible strings accordingly
sterile tinsel
ok thanks, im scared to overwrite my relics since its telling but ill play with it. i just didnt think we wanted PK anymore
strange python
checkk margin of error Supersparks
slender smelt
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
vapid moth
Anyone have tips for neltharion layer. Doing a +15
dire spoke
you can use evasion on pelter rocks
strange python
i pray every night
zealous dew
make the tank kite the pelters while you keep them slowed
pull, into 5s stun, then make him kite
lol SP top dmg
vestal wren
its coven
vapid moth
Ty for the info. I hope to come back saying I got through it but if not you know what happened
cosmic charm
Hi! I'm a filthy boosted sin rogue and have a question
how many memepoints does posionbong have?
onyx rock
🤔
cosmic charm
Cus sometimes I get like a thousand procs and do baller dmg, other times I get none and my mom is even laughing at me
cosmic charm
Haha FeelsBadMa
dire spoke
jovial kite
basically anything over 8% gets you the ''lol good dmg only due to poison bomb you got lucky'' and everything below gets you the ''lol shit dps''
the graceful rogue always blames shit dps for low overall damage
open geyser
lone junco
Speaking of. Did alaiz stick to dh? Or just quit wow
lone junco
Notter has one. It is in pins.
Small icons.
I used one called felrage. And deleted about 75% of it.
exotic glen
i just tried notters one and i dont like it
sorry rabbit man
but i like alaizes one, if anyone can help
novel nymph
hi can anyone help me with rotations and stat priority etc
exotic glen
read the guide at the top of this channel, icipher
strange python
guys what talents should i choose for max dps when i start at level 15?
zealous dew
i don't think it matters that much 😃
velvet wedge
not at lvl 15 at least
lone junco
When i was leveling, I had a small rotation from cheapshot to kidney that let me kill stuff safely in a consistent time.
Prob Not max dps. But effectively fast
jovial kite
@warm parcel where the stream 👺
jovial kite
found it 👺
lone junco
Have you tried ep with the anti clipping?
warm parcel
no
lone junco
Wondering if the boost to bleeds offsets the poison loss.
warm parcel
no
lone junco
I haven't gotten any of those builds to sim anywhere close.
My raw exang is top by 30k. Then shoulder bracer. Then like 100k drop to the niche stuff
gritty yoke
Does anyone have a weak aura that tracks how many combo points you have spent between each poison bomb?
gritty yoke
hm
lucid carbon
Is there any WA that lets you apply poison by pressing it, like the AP weakaura?
lone junco
@warm parcel which one plays better. 2p4p bracer boot mp anti tb or the Shoulder Insig 4p?
from a smooth rotation wise. I dont mind the idea of insig cone, but my rings are pretty strong.
zinc zephyr
warm parcel
bootwrist obviously
lone junco
if it were obvious I wouldnt have asked.
but the 2p20 is really nice. so that makes sense
kindred forge
@zinc zephyr with T21 Envenom
strange python
hey need some advice on trinkets i have the
whoops i meant to finished that sentance
should i keep eye of command on even if i have a higher level trinket
the other 2 trinkets, one attacks cab reduce vendetta by 3 secs and the otehr is give melee attacks frost damage for 8 sec
novel nymph
hi can some one help me with rotations and stat priority etc
lone junco
@strange python raidbots.com has a good tool called Top gear. You select the 3 or 5 trinekts you want to test and it will run through them all.
stark heart
📌
lone junco
@novel nymph SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
kindred forge
Sim it?
strange python
how do i get the crucible data up there i downloaded the addon
warm parcel
Well yeah
novel nymph
and ı have a question which spec should ı go with assas or sub for pve
novel nymph
are they have similar damage or is there a diffrences
lone junco
lol
not yet i guess.
Prob could bump that a bit. And ditch the vendetta CDs for 3x DP.
calm grail
Wish my crit was high enough to try anticipation.
grim jay
phew people on warlock discord are toxic
even the "mods"
😄
nearly feels like we are normal persons
lone junco
It's prob not high crit but gross high mastery
strange python
if i was forced to play affliction id be toxic too :L
orchid prawn
are the other specs bad or is affli just busted 🤔
grim jay
destruction is pretty decent
for fights like m garothi
but overall affl is kinda busted
strange python
and you cant fuck it up
strange python
spriest is fun but you need bis or you're boned
grim jay
even boned with BiS
strange python
i only have belt/soul but its an alt
grim jay
I liked the WoD balance druid smh
but thats meh now aswell
esp since you need t20 4p
getting geared is a pain
urban solstice
hello frens, if i play nightstalker do i always rupture after vanish?
indigo idol
when you have shoulders use envenom instead
small harness
quick question, do you let envenom tick its full duration or keep refressing it constantly if possible
orchid prawn
max uptime while not energy capped
spam it during mantle buff tho
those fat 3m crits
small harness
cool ty
lethal swan
if i have 4 cp do i rupture or mutilate for 5 cp then rupture
orchid prawn
i never mut at 4
valid moss
never mutilate at 4cp
strange python
Hello
dire spoke
sup
exotic glen
argus prog 😴
strange python
🤔
zealous dew
😄
zealous dew
:tanking:
lone junco
@lethal swan if you have 4cp you can check garrote time or tb or Kb to get that 5cp
I nut at 4
Typo but I'll take it.
Prior to exang gets a 6cp. Idgaf how it gets there.
fast depot
I'll sometimes FoK to get a 5th CP so I can get a full 10% SoT on the last few ticks of a KB -- could be a DPS loss though to FoK for only 2% more poison damage.
manic vigil
weak is playing mage, so exciting I can barely keep it tog.... 😴
warm parcel
It was sp 🤔
strange python
Hi guys. Would you use boots or bracers for Kin'garoth mythic ? Adds fall rather quickly so execute window is small, and boots would allow to squeeze an extra vendetta between adds.
jovial kite
Maustehylly Poggers
viscid helm
devout temple
So i made a macro that tires to pick pocket on garrote, but never works
exotic glen
you must have some good gear
midnight storm
this is blatantly wrong
exotic glen
you simmed as sin with sub legos?
vapid moth
what percent of damage should pb be on average?
midnight storm
yeah only have t20 in gloves slot. said it wass bis lol
exotic glen
think 6-8% was the average
midnight storm
but nobody else has these wrong sim number?
i can't do 2.8 mil with my gear lmfao. did it multple times to make sure it wasn't just lucky pb or something
midnight storm
should be like 1.6
lone junco
onyx falcon
lol nah, just take it, you sim for 2.8 M 😃
vapid moth
so 6-8% is the agreed average?
onyx falcon
@ Noobe wut you simming @ these days?
onyx falcon
yes xae
exotic glen
yeah think so xaethron
midnight storm
thank you @lone junco
vapid moth
what percentage should the trinket be?
onyx falcon
niice 😃
exotic glen
what trinket
zealous dew
how do they assume 15t ?
lone junco
considerable effort.
zealous dew
3 3 3 3 3 ?
lone junco
@zealous dew 15 pantheon users?
vapid moth
pantheonn trinket
lone junco
i raid with 16-17 usually.
must be my shitty relics. or gear but anti isnt going to work for me.
vapid moth
ah fuck the trinket hit a rabbit and a squirrel. thats why it was 8% of my damage
onyx falcon
"hit a rabbit and a squirrel" wut? LOL
midnight storm
yeah the dummies at SW are surrounded by them
exotic glen
the dummy in ironforge has no critter or other dummies close to it
vapid moth
does it have 1.6B hp?
exotic glen
idk
vapid moth
yeah i need a dummy with high hp lol
lone junco
org has a good set of dummys
i just make sure to line up at the edge to not cleave bomb
vapid moth
yeah lemme just go to org and ask their players if i can use their dummt
lone junco
anyway.
vapid moth
as the guards hit me and everything
zealous dew
our healers don't use pantheon at all
exotic glen
i think the dummy in ironforge is updated to max lvl
vapid moth
i dont get why rogue order hall doesnt have a dummy with high hp
lone junco
@vapid moth yeah, when ours hits 1hp the numbers shank
is there a way to simulate overall raid dps with the healer trinkets and without.
can tell from logs on a test pull easy enough
zealous dew
not sure
zealous dew
but if you have only 1 healer using it, if his doesn't proc no pantheon for whole raid
lone junco
yeah we have 4-5 healers.
devout temple
well im not sure wha tim' doing wrong, my pickpocket macros are not working
vapid moth
my guild has some emmebers that dont do their weekly argus kill
honestly annoys me
a free guaranteed gear upgrade every week and you dont wanna do it?
vapid moth
same here
all you have to do is garothi aggy argus
on normal i might ad. not hard
20 minnutes at most
lone junco
takes like 8 mins to get out and reset and get back in for next clear.
a good use of time for us.
looks like 4/5 of our heals are using the trinket.
exotic glen
we have a shit alt char have argus lockout
so we can just go straight to him on reset day
much better
exotic glen
not when you want mythic progression
exotic glen
when everyone is almost fully decked out in mythic gear, why would you waste time on heroic when you could just go for argus then mythic?
if you think thats a bad argument, you're either an idiot or havent done mythic
grim jay
people getting lfr titanforges higher than mythic 🤷
I'm 10/11
guild is 11/11
so
😄
exotic glen
you're an embarrassment to your guild then
supple hearth
@exotic glen the only giggle approved insult is 🥄 here's your warning be nice
grim jay
with 1.5h investment
@shrewd night clearing hc not worth confirmed
heard it here first
exotic glen
its fucking not worth it
when you have mythic gear????
i dont want to spend 1½ hours hoping fore luck
jovial kite
i think time invested x value is higher from hc than mythic
supple hearth
Depends on the guild tbh. If you can full clear in under an hour then why not it's free upgrades. If you're not getting upgrades anymore because everyone is 970ish+ already then by all means just do the 3 bosses to kill Argus then move on to mythic. Or extend your lock and beat your head against a wall 🤷
jovial kite
gladly progress is over
grim jay
doing hc isnt smth you need to do on a strict raid day either 🤷
grizzled bough
Also ppl usually farmed 11/11 hc from first week, while even at the top end is 11/11m just for a few weeks. More TF chance from hc due to that.
grim jay
even a group with many randoms can clear it in 1.5 - 1.75h
not even smth we need to argue about tho
he prolly is just another toxic 3/11m spoon
supple hearth
It's not an argument either it's beneficial to you or it's not. Depends on the raid team.
grim jay
not doing hc is just lacking dedication 🤷
supple hearth
:p
grim jay
different opionion on the point where it depends on your raid team
but I'm ok with that
😄
exotic glen
i respectfully think you are absolutely wrong Davyn, but you are entitled to your own opinion
valid plank
generally speaking what would be better 10 ilvl on a star stick or a gem slot
exotic glen
i just dont think its a matter of opinion when its a tangible timeloss with minimal benefit that would be easier to gain with practice on whatever boss you're trying to kill
supple hearth
I mean....if your whole team is 970+ already then there's the possibility of getting upgrades but it may not be worth the time to reclear if all that's preventing you from cutting edge is people doing mechanics correctly
fringe pendant
Should i hold vanish back for Vendetta?
median egret
which 4pc to equip on poison build
exotic glen
i guess it can depend on what boss on mythic you are progressing true, a 2/11M guild might still need to do heroic
supple hearth
@valid plank a gem slot is generally worth 5ilvl
void pecan
My shitty guild def needs to do heroic still.
supple hearth
@exotic glen I doubt a 2/11m guild is 970+
Across the team
And if they are then it's not gear holding them back
night summit
what happened to assassination that made it amazing?
grim jay
as I said earlier, noone said that you would do that instead of raiding mythic at any given point
devout temple
Is there a way to change dalarans for framing assassin hiden skin
supple hearth
@devout temple can only do it in legion dalaran. Use your dalaran hearthstone
onyx falcon
pretty sure if a 970+ guild is 2/11M they should rly reconsider reading the guides....
devout temple
ive been in the underbelly 50 minutes 0 spawns
dire spoke
giev guild
devout temple
im in that place
aint nothin spawning just people doing pvp
ok nvmind someone spawned, but he didn't drop it 😦
onyx falcon
you farming for the hidden appearance?
devout temple
ya
supple hearth
@devout temple its RNG. Took me a lonnnnng time to get it. I got the ratstallion mount before it dropped for me (20k sightless eyes?)
supple hearth
Yeah I think they have probably made hidden appearances a lot easier to get but ultimately it's still RNG. Just gotta keep going
devout temple
how about the sub skin
supple hearth
That is from the key you get in the vault. RNG as well
You can find guides on wowhead
devout temple
o nice i tdroped. but its kinda big on orc
shrewd night
@gray mulch not worth?
Clearly not a top3 progress raider
Probably someone that has a...
scoff
LIFE
onyx falcon
@devout temple pretty sure i was just lucky but i was down tehre for <10 mins n got it
devout temple
they prolly buff the drop rate
topaz quest
Whats ur mastery at guys?
onyx falcon
Eky this was like 9 months ago
233 w/ 1 mast trinket on or 215? or something w/ EoC
might be 936 w/ mast trinket, stats got moved arounda bit
topaz quest
😮
shrewd night
202% at 967
onyx falcon
seibetsu whats your haste at?
topaz quest
10%
shrewd night
onyx falcon
only haste you should have is from leggos
ancient sonnet
bracers feel not wurf on kin garoth
topaz quest
yep guess i've been unlucky with items
onyx falcon
1.4% from shoulders + wrist
topaz quest
im running shoulders/boots
topaz quest
i got a 970 ring with no mastery
onyx falcon
which should be the highest your haste should be XD
topaz quest
960 wrists, no mastery
onyx falcon
🤢
onyx falcon
no GV?
topaz quest
didnt get it
devout temple
damn my dmg skyrockets when this green cream hits the floor
topaz quest
poisonbomb ❤
shrewd night
Voidstalkers 
onyx falcon
sei do you run poison spec though?
topaz quest
I do
shrewd night
I ran poisonspec with 145% mastery just fine, its just down to itemization
topaz quest
T_T..
onyx falcon
yea i mean 145% mast isnt bad in any way, its hwo the rest of your stats are laid out n what not
plain thistle
have you simmed your char already? because thats really low crit for T21
topaz quest
I did sim it
topaz quest
is that bad?
shrewd night
Nah, its just high
onyx falcon
yea
think my stats around something like 28crit,2haste,216 mast, 12 vers, 16 avoid but irrelevant
onyx falcon
seal of the portal master 🤢
topaz quest
I know, it sucks so much lol
onyx falcon
youd be better off w/ a 940 mast/crit ring
topaz quest
yhh
onyx falcon
and the voidstalker contract rly you can replace w/ a mastery trinket
mastery stat-stick*
that thing is shitte im pretty sure
onyx falcon
hate how armory doesnt show relics
and im sure you know already but you needa repalce your belt and wrists
topaz quest
yeahh tell me about it
i burst about 6 million though, but thats burst
goes down to like 1.5m
love this discord
i always learn so much
plain thistle
yeah, but be carefull around here, specially talking about stats. not sure why but everyone here is a mastery whore
shrewd night
Youll be scared away by Giggle soon enough
topaz quest
xD
