just do heroics
#assassination
mental aurora
Just gonna get my essence and pray that the coin flips to boots or bracers
hoary copper
Boots are the only one left I care about I guess, maybe cloak for m+?
strange python
its not worth it to delay toxic blade/kingsbane by like 5 seconds on mythic coven if bleeds are falling off one of them is it? my guild has them spread really far apart, so i basically have to sprint to even rupture the other one
i think most guilds generally have them in fok range, but idk. our are really spread
mental barn
Is it worth delaying exsang for like five secs or so to get pandemic on a rupture and garrote?
dense quest
blow your load on one and rupture the other after you finish on one
wheat crest
If my boots sim higher than bracers.. do I still use bracers?
crystal fox
alright,just got my 3rd lego today
wheat parrot
hey guys. why does a 3rd vendetta relic give me -1.25
wise frigate
wheat parrot
althhought will be a 7th rank
wise frigate
You've gotta give us more than that. Regardless, sim it out, but if you want an explanation, there's so much going on with relics that just saying "3rd vend relic" means about as much as our education system.
hollow trail
^spotted the American
grim jay
@shrewd night
top3 us meme
shrewd night
wut
grim jay
"means about as much as our education system"
wise frigate
How'd you know @hollow trail
hollow trail
I too am one of the poor unwashed
wise frigate
Some days I feel like we hate America more than non Americans do.
gritty yoke
gilded lark
strange python
i'm in boost gear
strange python
:p
I had to wait 3 days
there was a bug for assassination rogue
when you boost as assassination you can't get other artifacts
lone junco
@mental barn always get a fat pandemic rupture.
lone junco
Basically I just keep rupture up and refresh mut rupture vendetta mut mut vanish rupture garrote exang.
mental barn
I’m still having trouble making sure they line up with a pandemic’d rupture
In between vendetta windows
lone junco
That will not only force fat pandemic. It also doubles your chance for bota.
Yeah. Don't stress it. Refresh.
Wait.
In between?
You don't have 3ma boots?
mental barn
Like, trying to make sure Right before I vendetta and exsang that i can get a pandemic 6 cp rupture
So I don’t have to wait a while to get the pandemic exsang
Yeah I have 3 ma
lone junco
@green osprey the guide is in the channel name. Has the opener.
mental barn
I’m probably just phrasing it poorly
harsh totem
So, playing around with the balance on mastery and crit - I can get my mastery up to 210% but crit drops to 26% - I Sim’d it and got two different answers from simc and me Robot. Any thoughts?
harsh totem
Dammit!
lone junco
Ok as long as we are talking. 3ma boots. Then fuck losing a few cps. I vendetta on cd. And if the rupture needs refresh then 1mut rupture then mut mut vanish rupture garrote exang.
wise frigate
AMR 
harsh totem
Which Sim is better?
plain thistle
harsh totem
K, let me try that
gaunt moat
why is grayhound listening to songs in russian 🤔
spice surge
Why arent you?
gaunt moat
ya niznayu
lone junco
@mental barn especially at the vanish bracer. Rupture mut mut vanish rupture is really good for bota.
wise frigate
Gray actual Russian confirmed.
mental barn
Alright, thank you for the advice, I’m hitting close to my sims on fights like Vari but I still felt like I could get a bit more
lone junco
If you really want to push it. Look at your logs. The vanish rupture in bracer needs to be like 20m dmg.
I've seen 27m for one rupture there.
That is equivalent to a 4M peak.
runic crescent
I know it's heroic so who cares, but i just had the most insane parse on varimithras
lone junco
Yay.
runic crescent
world 32nd heroic sin parse. I spiked to 12m DPS during KB in the execute phase
think I managed to catch its last 3 or 4 tics inside the vanish window
gaunt moat
I'm surprised blizz didn't make the new races OP-broken right now.
i'm honestly shocked by the amount of people asking for race sims.
it would be such an esay money-grab to scam these people who care about such small dps differences.
runic crescent
the entire rollout of the races was meticulously crafted to maximize server transsfers and boosts
it's a pretty blatant cash grab even for Blizz
lone junco
@mental barn it's not in the apl. But I guarantee a 1,2,3,4 cp rupture about 3sec before the vanish is good.
Then 6cp rupture.
Pushes the bota chance.
gaunt moat
oviously they're doing it for money... but if they made them stronger, these people who care about insignifacnt differences would actually pay just for that
lone junco
0,7,10,13 sec options. At 0.35x2
Vs the pandemic clip at 0,10 at 0.35
For anyone stalking bleed. The ability to fit a full duration pandemic rupture (16sec) inside 13sec of bota +6 sec of concordance + fang. +50% ns bonus. Is the real deal.
Saw one 30m rupture so far.
strange python
I hope you mean 30m cast and not 30m tick
lone junco
Per cast.
They aren't common. But I'd like to work that bota fish into the apl.
The bombs are good too.
mental barn
30m?? Holy shit
I need to sit down and practice on a dummy I think
My ruptures are around 20m typically
I need to get weakauras lmao
That will probably make it substantially easier
lone junco
That's fine. More than that require trinkets and concordance and pot.
mental barn
But I try to reduce as much visual clutter as possible
My ui is as basic as it can get
mental barn
You care more about maintaining EP buff than envenom buff yeah?
lone junco
Gotta clip that ep 100% during exang.
mental barn
So if envenom ever falls off you just focus on maintaining the EP first
lone junco
Sure.
lone junco
If you are like 40-43 crit it's really smooth.
mental barn
Yeah, I got Argus neck TF off heroic last night and my Crit is at 43.5 now
lone junco
Never mut on 4 is fine for me. Except for the exang. 6cp or bust.
mental barn
I’m worried I’m gonna get a piece that sims higher in glove or shoulder slot lol
lone junco
Would be ok. Garrote is shit anyway.
mental barn
Yeah
It’s just nice having it up practically on demand
For both poison and bleed tbh
Plus the Crit vers on gloves is nice (p sure that is the stat allocation)
Can’t find a group that can get past mythic inquisition though lmao
So idk if I’d be Able to get the mythic tier pieces needed
mental barn
Lol I don’t wanna know the pain
I need to swap servers and find a solid guild
Did not raid until this tier but I’m enjoying it a lot
After playing for four years lol
manic vigil
2pT20 boots bracers is fun when people die 😄
lone junco
Anyway. 2p20 is a huge energy gain.
Fuck yes it is.
And our people die all the time.
manic vigil
👌
lone junco
What fight?
manic vigil
garothi hero
lone junco
951 1.95 is good.
manic vigil
yeah I sim 1.85
mental barn
Damn I’m 946 and I’m only hitting 1.75 on shit like garothi and vari
I went up five ilvl a this week and my DPS didn’t change a lot
Kind of disheartening
simple walrus
havent played my rogue in a while, are shoulders boots still BiS for sin>?
mental barn
Boots bracers are good, bracers shoulders are good
mental barn
Bracers
Actually
Shoulders
Since all theee specs use it
And then probably bracers
simple walrus
ok makes sense, would you recommend me going for sub legos next? i have sephuz, insignia, boots, bracers, shoulders
manic vigil
also got a kingaroth normal orange parse. Was starting to think I can't orange parse at all anymore. We gucci still
simple walrus
(this is an alt i dont play much but enjoy both specs)
manic vigil
wow you have all the good stuff already pretty much
shouldn't matter much, might as well go sub for cloak and stuff
valid moss
On the opener, is it worth to use Vanish after first Envenom? (Vendetta/KB/TB -> Envenom -> Mutilate -> Vanish into Envenom).
strange python
^ then you only vanish with 4 cp
or less. shoulder buff runs out right after kingsbane
also, you should tb before kingsbane
it buffs the initial hit, which is often the hardest hit
valid moss
well I see one rogue who's got pretty good logs doing it
he also using KB before TB
strange python
I don't see why. He vanished at 4 cp which couldn't possibly be better
valid moss
Maybe its better to Vanish later, because KB ticks are bigger?
lone junco
Eww
crystal fox
952 and shoulders bracers now, maybe time to read the assassination guide
crystal fox
i got cinidaria, shoulders, cloak today
strange python
@valid moss That log was made back when we had the placeholder pk change too.
gilded lark
How the fuck
strange python
I see his deadly poison doing over a mill dps at peaks which simply does not happen
just the proc damage, I mean
gilded lark
Meanwhile i can't get 1 to drop on my freshly boosted dk
valid moss
jez thats so fucking stupid
lone junco
The ticks at 800k-1M was nsdp.
valid moss
like how the fuck do I even 95%+
gilded lark
You don't
crystal fox
opened 1000 essence lego got cinidaria, went to heroic antorus killed garothi and got shoulders, on kingaroth i got cloak 🙅
valid moss
only praying for that poison bombs damage carry
gilded lark
strange python
@lone junco nsdp?
gilded lark
Nightstalker deadly poison
strange python
you mean dp getting nightstalker? I meant the proc damage, not the tick
dire spoke
sup
uhm
what's the poison fok simulations doing there? is this meme build
I missed 4w of WoW sorry for being stupid ♿
spare nebula
FoK is kill
jovial kite
Tired of waiting for pb to proc? Feel like your dmg is solely reliant on pb damage? Anguish yourself no more! Join the exsang gang! Now with LOWER poison bomb damage per pull (as low as 4%) AND HIGHER DAMAGE OVERALL so you no longer feel like you're waiting all day for that shit ability to proc. JOIN EXSANG GANG TODAY and feel better about yourself!
join bradas
we know da wae
mental barn
Ayyyy
elder halo
I saw someone say best opener is starting with vendetta now is that true?
mental barn
Bleed 4 lyfe
gaunt moat
jovial kite
give him the role notter ;___;
midnight latch
ting go skraaaaaaaa ?
jovial kite
tbs not hot
gaunt moat
Skibiki-pap-pap, and a pu-pu-pudrrrr-boom
jovial kite
progress is over
can play exsang now
im good
and whats best
i can start growing exsang ranks
gilded lark
Wiping at 0.4% on argus
jovial kite
in spite of notters poison cult
dire spoke
role me daddy
crystal fox
time to start farming eoc again and try get a masterycrit ring aswell
jovial kite
@gaunt moat you heard the men
give them the role
you already neglected one bleed bro
earnest forge
ayyyy, I got the hidden appearence after like 3 bosses
dire spoke
there is a special place for thunderfurries
crystal fox
bleed will always be sub to poison
lone junco
Fine by me.
crystal fox
😉
lone junco
45s peaks
manic vigil
bleedy boiZ 🤢
balmy cove
Hey guys, the assassination build that the Resources links is 7.3.2. Is it still viable?
I don't really know the changes between thne
lone junco
Master poison Toxic blade is ezpz.
The apl adjustment I would test would be. Vend garrote rupture mut6 vanish rupture exang.
lone junco
In #bot-spam
hazy iron
ah right
pure sparrow
God our discord is so much better than some of the other terrible ones. Mage discord makes me want to KMS
hazy iron
lol
crystal fox
your friendly neighbourhood noobe
lone junco
As intended.
pure sparrow
No noobe or Connor in mage discord to make me feel bad
lone junco
Can't call me a noob if my name is noob
pure sparrow
Plus?
stone fable
Does sin DPS depend on good procs?
As far as I can tell I’m doing the same thing every pull, but the dps can be 100-300k off from pull to pull.
crystal fox
crits
crystal fox
pbombs and crits
pure sparrow
I feel like 300k dps is a fuck ton difference for it to be only procs tbh
manic vigil
noobe is toxic af
manic vigil
he not only flames others, he has constant data to back it up
lone junco
So many sims.
manic vigil
super toxic
crystal fox
i've never seen noobe be toxic
lone junco
Just wait
proven violet
don't forget about blood of the assasinated uptime stuff aswell
manic vigil
I'm just kidding obviously
stone fable
I was thinking it might be pbomb. Some pulls it can be almost my top damage dealer. Others it’s close to the bottom.
manic vigil
we love our Noobe ❤
lone junco
I am mean to some people.
pure sparrow
You have shoulders I assume ?
manic vigil
I'd totally apply to his guild if it wasn't on NA servers
crystal fox
i will never forget my first real insult towards me in wow and it took me years to realise it
lone junco
Share
pure sparrow
Was it “you play like a warrior?”
crystal fox
i was in a guild,healing in zul'gurub vanilla, and the other healer whispered me "i like how you are holding back so i can heal more" while i was healing so the sweat was dripping down my phase, i just said np and went on with it
till years later, when i realised what a fucking heartcrush it was
pure sparrow
DANF
jovial kite
LOL
lone junco
I reserve my scorn for people that shit on heroic due to their orange parse but maintain green/grey ilvl parse.
pure sparrow
fucked your shit up
manic vigil
LMAO
jovial kite
fucking destroyed
lone junco
Ooo. Zing
crystal fox
that was souldestroying when i realised it lol
pure sparrow
“Thanks for padding my HPS bro preciate it”
lone junco
Did you happen to heal blackrock horde? In my guild
manic vigil
xDD
pure sparrow
Is that why you’re here now rob?
crystal fox
the reason i am here is i got tired of being cucked as shadowpriest in mythic antorus
manic vigil
rip my mastery btw monkaS
lone junco
All but sephuz.
crystal fox
you get cucked so much in antorus mythic as spriest, every now and then god, then bottomscrap
calm grail
I've noticed that the higher my item level goes, the DPS gains aren't linear.
lone junco
He rolled priest to wear red pointy hat mod.
crystal fox
haha poor innocent one
lone junco
My argus trinket is like 50k per click.
crystal fox
started leveling this rogue couple of weeks back, stepped down from raiding yesterday and now just chilling on rogue
crystal fox
we got to aggramar but i couldnt take 4 days / week any more
pure sparrow
Don’t have to move out of shit either
manic vigil
t20 2p boots bracers and my new heroic fang instead of my arcano and my mastery is at 158% 😱
lone junco
And I get first Rez due to bracer and dps. And dependability
manic vigil
that's fucking low holy crap
lone junco
38/158?
manic vigil
no 32 crit
lone junco
Rings saved my ass
crystal fox
10 legendarys in 6 days played, must be a record
lone junco
My mptb is like 31/180 now
manic vigil
my rings are ancient, time to get lucky I guess
manic vigil
that mastery is still too low 🤔 am I wearing the wrong tier pieces maybe?
I gotta check ^^
manic vigil
yeah me as well. hm
lone junco
Goes exang , shoulder bracer, bracer boot
crystal fox
"lets practice shoulder opener on this rare" vanishes and he goes poff.... iSmart
manic vigil
fuck exsang
dire spoke
LUL sold EoE yesterday but I need it
dire spoke
it was Notter
lone junco
If your crit is high enough. Mastery still does work.
lone junco
Sin has a few valid builds.
My EP TB is = MP TB
An in non FOK range the double rupture is better as ep.
dire spoke
sub is like, got gloves? gg herpderp solid build no choice
gilded lark
Sending some toxicity your way 😊
crystal fox
question is, should i try get boots before trying to get sub gloves or just go for sub gloves now
lost horizon
There's no real reason to farm sub gloves
gilded lark
Legos for beta spec
lone junco
Yeah. I just filled out sin and let the offspecs fall in.
gilded lark
lost horizon
Sin is better in ST and even most of the AoE fights
dire spoke
expac is dead and last tier is sin-tier
lost horizon
Sub on Eonar though 👌 only fight that matters bby
crystal fox
how is assassin vs sub in m+?
lone junco
Different. Both good.
gilded lark
Sub generally wins.
lone junco
I play sin in m+ due to sub liability.
lone junco
Sub can wtfpwn a specific mob for 20M
manic vigil
ok what was it I needed to do to get a better result for bracers sims? wasn't there something that %-based and execute effects aren't simmed properly?
lone junco
I don't know.
safe matrix
I gotta 21m crit in m+ today
lost horizon
Wasn't that posted in #tc-updates ? @manic vigil
lone junco
I leave all things constant.
manic vigil
fair enough 😃
lone junco
Flex time. Why fix for fake numbers.
crystal fox
how does assassin deal with volcanic? just have enough rupture up to muti them?
jovial kite
volcanic?
manic vigil
I just want to know if my bracers actually sim better than my crown, is all. They keep losing as is
lone junco
Wut.
jovial kite
you mean the affix that doesnt exist? 🤔
lone junco
You just cleave and move.
crystal fox
oh yeah thats explosive, nvm xD
jovial kite
usually we just kill everything in a stack and healer heals
lone junco
Yeah.
dire spoke
1 pistolshot 💩
lone junco
Flat footed poison bombs can peak to like 8mdps easy.
Outlaw was 1ss. So cheap and fast and long range.
I do miss the idea of outlaw cleave. But not the actual playing outlaw.
jovial kite
shivarran symmetry only thing good in outlaw imo
lone junco
Mark RT spam was legit fun in imp packs.
I hated bracers so much
Made me nerd rage. Like differential eqns in circuits.
Fffuuuuuuuckkk this
How about no.
safe matrix
phaser domain yo
lone junco
I was mean to that teacher. Rip
safe matrix
Laplace transform 👌
gaunt moat
If only there was a simulatoon channel 🤔
crystal fox
or just ping notter
manic vigil
those people are far too busy to answer my trifling questions
manic vigil
xd
crystal fox
i saw a tweet that blizzard is looking into making nightborne more melee friendly
with passives that is
manic vigil
I rolled from human to velf earlier - rip my deeps 😭
strange python
oh man
gaunt moat
Yeah. Now you can't get those 99 parsrs
manic vigil
bloody 98 parses it is then!
crystal fox
lol
strange python
i just got that neckalce
crystal fox
rip freshly
crystal fox
on that char yes
strange python
thank god
clever niche
manic vigil
🤔 hmmm, now mantle boots sim best. wtf
clever niche
Holy shit guys
strange python
he had to do with 1 hand tho...
crystal fox
bleed guys... print screen? nah
clever niche
Sent it through WhatsApp first 😦
crystal fox
did you send the pic to your pc so you could post it on discord?
i'm actually amazed
clever niche
Nah, I normally post through phone
restive flume
Thats an impressive titanforge
crystal fox
yeah.. i need one of those
probably used up all my luck today tho for the rest of the expansion
lucid brook
Does Assassination not have an ability like ShadowStrike or Ambush?
lucid brook
Isnt that just a regular ability though
crystal fox
yup,we are regular rogues
lucid brook
oh so not much stealth for assassin?
crystal fox
garotte pretty much
indigo glacier
and even then thats just a silence
lethal veldt
Is sub still top right now
lucid brook
I've been doing pretty good dps so far
its just a bit boring
sneak in, stab stab stab then finisher..kinda boring compared to the flaour of outlaw and assassin
tepid ridge
hi guys here is my sim what should I aim for upgrade priority on my gear, we are going 4/11, 5/11 Mythic I think about relics / rings, I'll probably bonus roll the dogos for neck / trinket mythic and going to farm HoV for ring
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/64hEB8N5hFKraAurLu6mLy
gilded lark
You could sim with different pieces to see if they're upgrades or not. But as the sim says you want crit/mast.
gilded lark
15 panth trink sim cmon now lol
dire spoke
was cookied
lean fossil
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gilded lark
Change one enchant from 200 to 150
crystal fox
https://i.gyazo.com/f5bee0e9b1bb7a0d548ae04ed0a7d1aa.png it's getting there
crystal fox
i got lfr pieces!
gilded lark
So do i 
Eonar is a greedy bitch and won't drop me a heroic chest
Or legs for that matter
muted badger
Ive lost two mythic eonar chests so far
Once i get it, im perma sitting that boss because its fucking garbage
gilded lark
Sim would be ez 2m if i could get a heroic chest, and a better neck
But 1.9 for now
Only 935 dogs trink doesn't help
crystal fox
lfr tier head,tier chest,ring,shadow singed 😦
lament notch
does anyone have a rogue of one of the allied races? i want to make sure that shadowcraft supports it correctly.
dire spoke
vanishes
lament notch
❤
lament notch
what region/realm/toon?
lament notch
thanks!
muted badger
np
crystal fox
"dont move during flame wreath" subrogue goes DfA
muted badger
ahh sub rogues, our friendly but slightly challenged cousins
gilded lark
@hallow iron
calm grail
Non USA friends, behold the sacred holiday https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundhog_Day
I'm not shitting you, this is a real holiday.
calm grail
Where about?
muted badger
hallow iron
@gilded lark i was scrolled up all the way till someone asked what to use as assasination in stealth, didnt realize that i was scrolled up
calm grail
Many iterations, but you're going to have toss a bit of common sense in there too.
gilded lark
Groundhog day is sacred
dire spoke
I do have 2Mass 1Malch
shadow token
Man I did heroic today and got@twin flint tier. Zero relics zero usable. Like 3 weeks in a row
crystal fox
oh man, poison load during opener with shoulders is 👍
manic vigil
it's not shit when you don't do mythic weSmart
prime void
solution- do mythic
manic vigil
or don't 🤷
shadow token
Our mythic has 14 vanq so I sat my rogue this tier
manic vigil
both works actually 😃
shadow token
But I can’t get gear from heroic to save me
And I think so far we have 4 total vanq tokens drop in mythic lmao
prime void
have you killed like 4 bosses
prime void
are you in nevermind
shadow token
Yes
prime void
I'm telling ya, jihad gen
dire spoke
okay
prime void
I'm in fat pandas. Lol
shadow token
=]
prime void
we got agg to 5% last night, feels bad
shadow token
Damn we start agg this week but we don’t raid til@strange python
prime void
yeah you guys are sun mon
dire spoke
bye bye red
prime void
if i remember corerctly
shadow token
Yup
shadow token
Yea
To be fair we had like 5 trials in
I have to do it this week and I don’t wanna
Other than for shoulders
prime void
our WW merked that boss
dire spoke
re
shadow token
I could but the setup was aids
Is aids
I was like cc one side lightening add another side and we had 6 melee when I was in
But I’m trying to gear my rogue a little so our rogue can parse on pk
Since I have to do orbs on portals on my ww anyways and I’ll never get to parse
dire spoke
bleed 300k behind poison for me 🤔
gilded lark
Isn't your poison 1.9
shadow token
And gen fucking dies every time on kin third add when I’m at like 2.8+
dire spoke
ye I made a mistake ... had 3 legos on in that bleed image LUL
well okay
it's not min maxed
dire spoke
shadow token
Fist of kappa
fluid timber
thx @dire spoke
crystal fox
"I went to upper kara and all i got was these lousy haste shoulders" gonna print a tshirt with that
dire spoke
ugh
crystal fox
you what
midnight latch
ye
crystal fox
heathen
midnight latch
I said it
crystal fox
you probably shower naked too, slut
midnight latch
you bet
crystal fox
❤
velvet nebula
guys, any tips how to update wowprogress. it doesnt update for 7 days, other people from my server can update it easily. I just click on update button, it says you are in queue, but then it just disappears
crystal fox
i had so much luck today @midnight latch im starting to feel like a proper rogue now
velvet nebula
instead of " updating now"
dire spoke
if agi is like 4th rank in stat weight, do you still enchant and socket agi if you can or do you take first/second
velvet nebula
any advices?
crystal fox
i just press update now and refresh the page a few times
whenever i have that problem
dire spoke
use ctrl+F5 to refresh without cache
hallow iron
anyone wanna lvl horde?
crystal fox
i'd rather play outlaw than level a char from fresh again 😏
hallow iron
but the allied races
crystal fox
slightly darker nightelf and moosehorned tauren? no ty
hallow iron
arnt u a chippy lookin one
crystal fox
that void elf tho, too bad im horde
haughty harness
Glowing Draenei and emo belfs?
hallow iron
boys stop hating
crystal fox
you got it dex
hallow iron
at least we got new stuff
crystal fox
where did our friendly neighbourhood noobe go?
dire spoke
🤷
gilded lark
The discord addict
obsidian spire
shud i go for relics or trinkets with my arguinite, btw every piece is 870 so i was thinking chest legs for stamina lol
haughty harness
Well, if you drop the piece you just bought you'll feel like "well darn ot" but with trinkets at least you've 2d slot for the drop
keen inlet
haughty harness
but you've chances of getting a stack stick
obsidian spire
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
obsidian spire
so master assassin is numero uno
flint fable
2mass isnt horrible if ur using boots+wrists
weary gate
mantle + wrist
primal tangle
Nice I just got wrist.
crystal fox
Gz
weary gate
grats
lone junco
Movie night.
exotic glen
nice what did you watch
exotic glen
up is a great movie, 5yr old or not
lone junco
@manic vigil good bomb. Long live shoulder bracer.
manic vigil
I thought you might like it 😃
fast nacelle
manic vigil
ikr 😮
civic palm
running to second add?
manic vigil
most likely ya
lone junco
So you're saying I could shoulder boot exang and. Vanish rupture exang mut env mut env.
manic vigil
I don't speak bleedy boi, can someone translate please?
😄
that actually sounds good
lone junco
4sec crit bota would be gold. And it still bombs.
manic vigil
ya 👌
idk, it's fun but I kinda like boots bracers now. Mostly because it's new to me I guess
just the opener is still confusing to me because it feels like nothing happens 😄
where my burst at?! send halp!
lone junco
Yeah. Just constant pressure and fat Kb.
latent grove
with t21 you go nightstalker right?
onyx rock
You go whatever simc tells you to go
we are all slaves of simc
simc is the master
heil simc
civic palm
Just not the opener, SimC is a psycho in regards to the opener.
lone junco
Tb buffs the Kb main hand and offhand. If you are in the initial shoulder they will crit.
If your tb Kb is too slow and after shoulder, you did it wrong.
latent grove
so the initial hit counts as a poison too, huh
civic palm
Yep, and importantly, holding TB for the last 9 seconds of the first KB ain't great for your opener, as well as the important task of getting TB on cooldown.
exotic glen
"poison" mostly refers to nature dmg
lone junco
Except for bracer and envenom.
lone junco
Anyway. Proper open is pretty tight. But as long as you get the tbKb off in the first shoulder and 3env in second shoulder within the TB 6 sec. all is well.
Bracers don't buff envenom.
exotic glen
i was refering to tb's poison definition
latent grove
as for envenom in the opener... you just do mutilate + envenom right? Or do you want at least 4 CPs?
full sandal
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exotic glen
because its basically nature dmg
with shoulders, you dont envenom until after your first vanish
lone junco
Major buff from shoulders and bracer is the bomb.
During the shoulder mut crits for 4
So prob a 5cp 4 4
latent grove
can you really get that many off in the shoulders buff?
lone junco
Goal is env mut env mut env
latent grove
oh fuck right you get extra cp for crits
lone junco
So opener specifically. We are taking that one tb and covering the Kb mh. Oh. And the vanish ns env mut env
latent grove
so on target dummy what's the fastest way to reset them since poisons and all?
so I can retry my opener right away
if there is a way, that is
exotic glen
theres no way to reset cds afaik
pliant yacht
Hi guys just wondering if anyone can tell me what attacks to use step by step to be a good rogue and save me even reading my spell book or thought
latent grove
wtb a way to do that lol
exotic glen
literally go read a guide reckt, it will tell you everything you need to do
theres a guide at the top of this discord channel
if you have questions after that, come ask again
lone junco
@pliant yacht sinister strike to 5cp then kidney.
pliant yacht
Thanks @lone junco , I assume haste gear will help get to 5cp quicker?
latent grove
no you need specifically + energy gear
exotic glen
i heard the new meta was full vers gear for those big fucking kidneys man
what good are other stats if you dont hit hard
latent grove
isn't it a medical hazard to have enlarged kidneys?
restive flume
Holy crap velf passives are crazy strong
neat epoch
@finite lily
lone junco
You are punching their kidney.
restive flume
20% uptime?
latent grove
kk most important question guys
restive flume
And it procs on pull too.
latent grove
which artifact appearance/color is best?
wise frigate
Balance of Power blue is bae
exotic glen
im using a red variant of some skin i cant remember
it looks sick af
gonna go find its name
restive flume
Mage tower forever boiz
restive flume
Lightsaber daggers
latent grove
as is the classic issue with wow's daggers
exotic glen
ghostblade red color
civic palm
Obvious BiS dagger - http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/537425-the-cypher-of-broken-bone.jpg
Not too large AT ALL.
wise frigate
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399676702000807947/408285561040928789/unknown.png I just love how they match with my slut mog.
exotic glen
how do i remove all transmog gear
i want to look naked, but can only do that with certain items
the ultimate slutmog
exotic glen
not me
exotic glen
huger
lone junco
@civic palm 3/11?
wise frigate
"Side Admiral" "green" pick one.
wise frigate
That's a lot of PBs.
civic palm
I. Am. Sick. As. Fuck. Woo.
livid hull
The mods gave me the side admiral title only they can remove it
civic palm
I bet.
supple hearth
🤔
civic palm
I should get on this.
civic palm
Newish
livid hull
Or old and never logged in or name changed
supple hearth
Or i was in stealth and you just didnt see me
livid hull
🤔
wise frigate
New enough that if you've been MIA on the high seas you wouldn't know.
livid hull
I stopped hanging out here Early ToS
wise frigate
Yeah definitely xD
supple hearth
oh ya ive only been mod since........nov/dec-ish
and i didnt hang around the spec channels much before
mostly in the misc ones
kind veldt
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grave elk
what should talent set up be for a fresh 110? nightstalker or subter?
exotic glen
ns
grave elk
and always crippling and deadly poison ya?
exotic glen
yes
grave elk
okay. im trying to get a good key for Fan of knives. since for cleaving i kinda need it on a nearby key lol
its just awkward cycling targets with tab and using 4 as the keybind
exotic glen
i've got it on a mouse button, its nice to use your right hand once in a while to do dps
grave elk
yeah i currently moved it to mouse button 4. to try it
grim valley
hello guys, i've 40% crit, and i was wondering what to do : envenom at 3cp, since i risk to waste cp because of crits - or just envenom at 4+ cp ?
static acorn
Does bleed damage count as physical damage?
grim valley
yes
exotic glen
just do mut again at 3cp
lone junco
@grim valley if your crit is high. Try summing with DS. Else follow "don't mut on 4
Ep DS tb is a spec I've simmed well with
grim valley
it's like, im about to go anti lol, only lose 0.7% dps but feel more comfortable idk
lone junco
Anti is ok.
exotic glen
anticipation DansGame
lone junco
They adjusted the apl. Try boot insig.
grim valley
i'm playing boot insign atm
sims higher, and also playing with elaborate plan instead of master poisoner,
lone junco
Ep anti is just a clip fest.
If your mastery is under 140 I would look into bleed.
40crit is about right.
indigo cradle
The problem with bleed is the 3 vendetta relics
grim valley
have 3 massa 2malch 1bb bracers and boot
let's see how much i can sim
pretty much the same, nvm
grim valley
hihih, mythic cache 😄
devout hollow
ive got 4pc, mantle and kjbw as my highest simming legendaries, and 3 vendetta relics right now. should I gamble bracers or boots?
exotic glen
is either your boots off piece or bracers off piece significantly better than the other?
devout hollow
boots are much better than bracers
im simming it now on raidbots forgot I had that tool
derp
exotic glen
i think theres a button on raidbots that lets you compare items even if you dont have them
devout hollow
yeh just found it
exotic glen
but should probably just expect bracers to sim higher if your boots are good
exotic glen
do you not have any good trinket to switch out?
devout hollow
I have a 945 forgefiends and 950 fang
so yeah guess if I get pantheon it will be best again
exotic glen
forgefiends
devout hollow
rip
but uh
tbh forgefiends is even more ass to use than kjbw
so id like to avoid that
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exotic glen
get almost any other trinket and you will be good
farm some relinquished stat sticks or EoC maybe
or pray for argus trinket
devout hollow
yeah ill have to
sterile bane
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slate rock
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safe matrix
Since garrote generates a combo point and insig does the cleave damage based on single target point generators
How does that work
Is it like a dot cleave or upfront or other
turbid harbor
safe matrix
That's some real horse radish
spice surge
Garrote doesnt do any damage
exotic glen
i'd assume its because it doesnt have an up-front attack
zealous dew
spaghet blizzardo small indie company, 3rd boss BRH sometimes you can't see the bats line of fel shit
try to do high tyr keys there
gl
nova pagoda
Turn your settings down then you can see them
grave elk
any mythic guilds on stormrage recruiting?
quick ice
prime void
logs req
tidal island
what are the BiS for m+?
prime void
pants
exotic glen
took loti 5 hours to go from a freshly dinged 110 to looking for a mythic guild
must be some kind of record
safe matrix
I mean once he spent the hour it takes to master assa he had 4 more to get geared
xd
grave elk
haha sorry im just posting for one, i am 966 dk main
wide delta
@tidal island pants, crafted boots or prydaz
up to you what you like more
make sure u have versa/haste gear equipped before trash packs
naive cypress
wide delta
its bis bro
dire spoke
sup
still sage
exotic glen
not necessarily
the dmg per combo point scales linearily now
refresh with 4 or 5 if you can
exotic glen
ew
prime void
not sure what would cause it to be highest simming
silent linden
is bleed build count as garrote and rupture ?
fossil panther
yo guys
complete honest answer
i just boosted a rogue
which spec sims highest dps and has easier time questing etc.
fossil panther
really? not sub?
exotic glen
if it was sub, i think i'd say sub
grizzled panther
best traits on relics these days?
exotic glen
wait, you literally asked this in the assa channel
grizzled panther
? me?
vapid moth
Argonic have you leveled a new rogue since the new patch?
exotic glen
no, why?
vapid moth
Then how would you know which spec is easiest
exotic glen
to lvl?`
quartz depot
are you saying assa isnt the easiest
fossil panther
btw
talents for questing
just boosted a assassination rogue
to 110
i wanna do argus, broken shore, etc.
which talents should i take?
exotic glen
master poisoner, nightstalker, vigor
leeching poison, toxic blade, venom rush
are there other talent rows im forgetting?
thugee
fossil panther
umm one sec, just mailing gold over from my mage
ill let u know if ur missing anything in a minute
exotic glen
no, thats 7
strange python
Leeching 😂
exotic glen
what else would you pick for questing
pick that OP cheat death while you see 1 mob slowly killing you
"hehe, this thing is not meta in any challenging non-solo content, therefore it is absolutely never useful and you are an idiot for picking it heheh"
tacit ferry
totally proportional response to "Leeching 😂"
mint plume
I skip TB while questing and just go Alatricity. You don't need the extra gcd and Alatricity will help you FoK more often.
brisk forge
Tbf Rogues are made of paper and cheat death can save a new player xD
spice surge
You're not gonna get oneshot by rares on argus
Leeching is def the goto talent for doing wqs/rares
quick ice
if you get into cheat death range there's a pretty high chance that you'll die when it wears off
crystal fox
leeching poison ❤
raven kiln
IS Assassin also viable in higher (+15) m+? And regarding PvP sin is prob better than SUB?
drifting cloud
pvp it depends on the bracket more
check the pvp channel tbh
but yes assa is viable, even beats sub in a few dungeons id say
raven kiln
I tryed a Bit to read in The Rotation .. seemed rather dificult on what you Need to keep Track on. X.X i Just ask because i think to Go Monk or rogue
raven kiln
Im at my Handy now. But The sin Rotation looked 4x more diffovult to do.
old sphinx
... sin rotation is actually braindead dk bout monk tho
fiery merlin
Sub is better for m+
Sin is literally "keep 2 debuffs on target, generate with X, dump with Y"
X rotates between fan and mut depending on targets
spice surge
Difficulty is always relative, sub isnt always better than sin for m+ either
fiery merlin
I should rather say sub is more consistent
Doing m+ and getting pbombs during crit shoulder windows sure. But you'll see sub played for invitational
spice surge
If invitational is speed running low keys again yes
If its about running high keys then both are as probable
fiery merlin
Didn't they have restricted ilvl doing 17s?
spice surge
all gear was 935 yes
But its not certain they'll do it the same way this time around, as the qualification is significantly different its fair to assume there would be changes to the actual tournament aswell
fiery merlin
What's qualifications this time around? Is it not just top 5 dungeons over 2 weeks?
crystal fox
there will be alot more teams this round
basically complete their challenge on the invitational server and you are in
iirc
spice surge
Complete X amount of +X keys and you'll get into the tournament realm
I dont remember exactly how it was going from there, but thats the big difference. More people on the tournament realm means a more even playing field
Because some classes are significantly better with t19 than t21 for example
Im sure they have a FAQ somewhere about it
valid moss
Should I aim to do Envenom before my TB/KB instead after it?
like should I delay TB/KB to get that 4cp/5cp Envenom first
cinder field
answers are in the guide
zealous dew
TB, no, you can have 3cp then tb then evenom
kb you can use with envenom up or with 3cp then kb and then evenom
lone junco
lol. the argus tornado spawns at target. so you can proc one at range from your knife
crystal fox
yup 😄
heavy plover
Can you only get 1 pantheons blessing per week, or multiple on different difficulties?
crystal fox
only one
wispy ore
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