my friend is an officer there
#assassination
shrewd oriole
jovial kite
thinkin
shrewd oriole
it's a pretty shit guild
jovial kite
top meme
shrewd oriole
the meme is fucking superb
zealous dew
he's a fury warrior
lone junco
I never look at the Problems tab
jovial kite
im a roge
zealous dew
bow to him
mental aurora
Enough guilds are clearing mythic at this point that not recognizing one shouldnโt be too surprising @turbid harbor
shrewd oriole
I'm sure my mate will appreciate all these compliments
turbid harbor
thats portal
shrewd oriole
it's portal, garothi and eonar
shrewd oriole
he's top damage taken on 3 different bosses
lone junco
Funny thing about the high avoidable damage. when 8 other bitch melee die early, I live long enough to have more avoidable damage.
shrewd oriole
and didnt soak a single anihilation
mental aurora
Thatโs what happens when dps parse is life. You forget to do mechanics
mental aurora
Sure why not
lone junco
very?
shrewd oriole
I mean
lone junco
that's easy
zealous dew
no soak no party
dire spoke
boi
dire spoke
Even my guild is better
jovial kite
fury warrior at 15% dmg more taken
dire spoke
And we,re bad
shrewd oriole
I'm glad you liked it ahaha
hazy iron
Hey guys, been playing mut for about a month now. Read guides, but I'm doing something wrong. Can someone tell me why I'm bad? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YmWbCz7VyaXHg9Q3#fight=12&type=damage-done&source=16
lone junco
I guess cherry picking datas is fun. prob a reasonable meem
balmy whale
It's dumb, maybe it's just me
hazy iron
so im not pooling enough?
civic palm
Was just looking through KB/ENV uptime, not great.
civic palm
There are holes all over your KB/ENV overlap.
lone junco
ye
hazy iron
alright, cheers - I'll focus on that
lone junco
do you know the solution or just "cheers"
hazy iron
well, yeah - be sure to pool energy before kb
then keep env up whilst kb is up
i think that comes back to me not pre-planning things
civic palm
Could not be pooling at all and just clipping ENV too early during the fight.
Leading to lower average NRG and leading to downtimes on important overlaps.
hazy iron
oh, right! shit, i didnt even think of that. nwo that I think about it, im probably clipping way too early
civic palm
~1sec
hazy iron
that rule doesnt apply when mantle buff is up though, correct? Because ive been spamming envenom with mantle buff up
civic palm
Should be fine there, make sure that you are clipping @ 2 seconds due to the shorter duration on Surge of Toxins.
lone junco
yeah. if you over mut/env, you wind up with draughts later
civic palm
TBF much like watching for how long the fight is and making sure you are not wasting Vanish timing, if you cannot get another ENV in during the burst window you might as well clip the last ENV in the burst window as late as possible.
dire remnant
what do you guys mean by 'clipping'?
civic palm
In this case...
refreshing the ENV buff before it expires.
or during burst phases, clipping Surge of Toxins (and ENV).
Though SoT is not that important.
lone junco
shoulder bracer wise, your peaks arent horrible
nimble tartan
honestly i always clip my envenoms
civic palm
yeah clippem late
nimble tartan
like im going fast boys
like env mut 4cp m env still got like 5 secs im clippin that shit boi
the only time i play slower is during kb
hazy iron
what about energy capping - if i energy cap and envenom has say, 3 seconds left, do i just cap, or clip?
cosmic nacelle
never energy cap
civic palm
You're more than likely not going to NRG cap outside of the opener.
hazy iron
yeah thats what I figured.
nimble tartan
am i da only one aint watchin envenom...
civic palm
If you have to run for mechanics and don't want to cap, FoK on the way out, Poison Knife when you are further away.
nimble tartan
like it doesnt exist to me im poppin off regardless when its not kb time
civic palm
So long you are happy with your damage, w/e works works.
plain thistle
damn, 13 feint cast in a fight is a bit too much
civic palm
Gotta...
plain thistle
and energy capping a lot too
civic palm
reduce damage, heh
nimble tartan
i mean i feel like waiting for pandemic env makes me cast way less envenoms overlal during the fight
hazy iron
13 casts, probably because im spamming it when running out i think
nimble tartan
envenom uptime and hella clipping it is still high af rarely have noticeable gaps
plain thistle
yeah, but you shouldnt spam feint that much
nimble tartan
this me not paying attention to env and clipping it as soon as i get 4+cp again
i only pay it mind during kb tbh tbh
hazy iron
yeah i havent been paying it mind during KB ๐ lol
nimble tartan
also i have no sin mythic llogs cause i played sub the whole time outside of m argus
dire remnant
so the nuance of assassination is about making sure your buffs are rolling
old quartz
anyone know the hunter disco channel?
dire remnant
from the envenoms basically?
hazy iron
thanks for the advice guys, some solid goals to work on
dire remnant
what abilty causes "virulent poisons"?
frosty pagoda
that buff doesnt matter
nimble tartan
i think mantaining env buff at the cost of envenom casts overall is not worth
frosty pagoda
envenom buff only thing that matters
nimble tartan
i feel like u should alwas rip it
dire remnant
it seems like i'm basically meant to sapce out my finishers
nimble tartan
even if u clip huge seconds off it
plain thistle
virulent poison is our T21 2p proc
nimble tartan
thas just me tho...
plain thistle
with envenom
frosty pagoda
well yeah
dire remnant
so on tellmewhen/weakauras between surge of toxins/virulent poisons/envenom buff
should i just track envenom buff?
nimble tartan
i only have envenom buff tracked
dire remnant
virulent poisons and envenom buff are essentially equiv
plain thistle
you can track Surge too
spare nebula
hrm, so i tried to save my cds for adds on kin and still got a 40 parse for my ilvl. i just can't seem to get this spec right. Meanwhile I purple/orange everyone in sub. sigh
plain thistle
sometimes its good
nimble tartan
this easier than sub so youll get it soon dw
dire remnant
i mean the only scenario would be when im rupturing?
that surge would show up and envenom buff wouldn't
spare nebula
still not good enough for an ilvl parse. ripperinos
nimble tartan
honestly i fel like the only worthwhile damage seperation you get between 2 people who know how to play the basics of the class
is all from kb
everything else i feel is pretty miniscule
like efficient envenom clipping and such
spice frost
And pb rng
spice frost
Or is it?
dire remnant
so ideally that envenom buff is up 100% of the time?
what nuances of KB should i know?
nimble tartan
theres a playstyle to get it close to 100
spare nebula
only thing i see is that I thought we'd kill it before my last vanish came off cd, so didn't line it up, guess that's where i fucked up
spice frost
I mean. In a perfect world yes but good luck having 100% uptime
nimble tartan
you want to cast
kb with an env buff rolling
or
if u can get one rolling immediately after
and just make sure its up for the entirety of kb
and plan ahead so your rupture doesnt fall off during caus eu might get a gap of no env buff during kb
i sometimes clip a rupture to ensure i can keep my env kb buff rolling 100%
seems worth to me
given that kb is thicc daamge
manic vigil
@civic palm to voidelf or not to voidelf ๐ค show me your gurl again ๐ also, isn't it a dps loss atm? ๐ค
plucky merlin
likely but its also the only way to permanently look like a belf as alliance
hoary copper
I do enjoy being a dwarf, but void elves look kinda neat
plucky merlin
racial only avging like 0.8-0.9% total dmg as sin btw
but the port is very nice but kinda unnecessary
dire remnant
i see. so the reasoning behind env buff during KB duration is cuz the env buff increases poison application chance and kb does more and more dmg as poisons are applied
nimble tartan
yeah its really where youll seperate yourselves from other sin rogues
given u both have similiar pb damage
thats where the seperation will come from
dire remnant
what is the standard amount of poisons applications during that 14 seconds of KB?
just so i can better undersatnd just how big that dmg boost is
civic palm
@manic vigil I assume that the racial passives will be balanced sooner or later.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
manic vigil
your girl is looking great btw ๐
nimble tartan
dont know the exact number i think thats overcomplicating it just make sure u alays have env buff rolling during kb though without dropping rup and garrote
civic palm
๐
willow elk
When can a freshly boosted assassination rogue be expected to do actual dps?
nimble tartan
youll get some thicc damage, there's also some thigns u can do with toxic blades where u can pop it at 8 seconds left of kb but i just use tb on cd
rarely do i ever hold it
or get in situations where they are synced
enough
dire remnant
idk if any of you guys play sub
molten flicker
437 pulls on argus later
dire remnant
but assassinations feels wayyyy easier to manage
nimble tartan
ye i am a sub main i guess
grim jay
@manic vigil invest 2h in gold farming and buy the change with gold ๐คท
reef harbor
PB in Details, counts per tick, so if mobs are stacked, each "tick" is equal to the adds hit right?
muted badger
sin roolz sub droolz
nimble tartan
i def like sub a lot more but sin is jus better atm imo
grim jay
@dire remnant most of the people in here play sub aswell sometimes and both specs are easy.
nimble tartan
just for progression and ease of use
reef harbor
cuz I had 117 ticks of PB on Argus HC in our boost run just now, so thinking if that's 39 individual procs, or if it counts double when adds in p2 are stacked
grim jay
switch if its boring tho
soft island
It's boring tho it has result. Wish sub had execute tho.
zealous dew
play outlul
manic vigil
@grim jay I don't even know how I would do that lel
zealous dew
not boring
dire remnant
what exact amount? with 4 or 5 cp
grim jay
@manic vigil boosting people through m+
soft island
I play everything. Outlul in m+, assa and sub on certain bosses
dire remnant
anyone have pandemic timer for rupture?
manic vigil
no I mean mechanically. how do I turn gold into blizzard currency, I have never done that before
๐ค
molten flicker
pandemic is 30%
afaik
which means it's different depending on how many cps you spent on rupture
๐
manic vigil
oh right, lel
willow elk
When can I expect to deal decent damage as assassination after boosting a rogue?
molten flicker
when you hit something
nimble tartan
once u get 4 piece tier 21
grim jay
depends on what you call decent
nimble tartan
youll get a big boost in damage
willow elk
not 500k dps
nimble tartan
and some relevant trinkets
nimble tartan
a normal felhounds trinket would be sick
i think just try to get tier as fast as possible and that trinket
probably will give u a nice thicc boostie
spare nebula
I feel like im better at sub that sin
strange python
spare nebula
or at least my parses say im better at sub, than sin
strange python
still not fixed
nimble tartan
jandro if u put in effort to learn sub, im ure you can figure out how to play sin better
or it could be ur stats are fucked
also for the most part alot of sub relic traits are valuable
whereas for sin there are really only two u really want
pure mirage
i also feel like im doing a lot wrong with assa atm ๐
hoary copper
I simmed quite a bit more once I got shoulders (100K more almost) but trinkets really helped too and lots of mastery
nimble tartan
dam thats nice
spare nebula
i logged out in sub, or i would link armory
manic vigil
so 600k gold to becomne a voidelf. Interesting ๐ค
hoary copper
I keep getting garrote relics feelsbad
molten flicker
u can't have more than 7 omr
grim jay
mind blown
pure mirage
which cooldowns do i wanna align now as assa?
grim jay
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
grim jay
there you go
jovial kite
@gaunt moat ascension 7
molten flicker
so I wouldn't say 7/7 of bis trait is "only"
nimble tartan
its only cause its not double bis ๐ก
near meadow
would void elf be better than human for a sin
mhh
probably better on early expension and worse at the end
muted badger
i'm liking how the buff lines up with cooldowns
dire remnant
so pandemic cutoffs for standard garrote is 5.4 sec and 5 cp rupture 7.2 sec
full lantern
Anyone have an wa to track pandemic buff?
fallow basalt
so im looking at rotations on wowhead n stuff and i dont see the use of toxic blade am i missing something when should i use it
fallow basalt
kk ty
strange python
Generally just use it on cd.
fallow basalt
ya that what i was thinking
celest marlin
is 200% mastery too much pps?
strange python
pps?
fathom wyvern
Parses per second
strange python
@full lantern notters WAs in the pins have them. Timers glow when in pandemic
However personally notters timers are tiny af. For ants! I made them 40ร40 instead of 25ร25 or whatever he has
weak isle
https://gyazo.com/f3267aae2928a66537a40b58f978f9d3?token=46b724939029d0e6e4cf13964b416442 just got this one ๐ฎ
strange python
gz
strange python
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
grave elk
has any1 figured out how to unlock cathedral with your 110 boost? i cant figure it out
keen inlet
with that many raiders having it
full lantern
@strange python Nice ty i Will check this WA
keen inlet
i would hope so
weak isle
is that 15 man proc small? does look like it for me
wise frigate
Same way you always do Loti. Do the Broken Shore quests and you'll get one to go into Cath.
strange python
Pretty sure a 15 proc is our number one trinket
wise frigate
Oh look they fixed Suramar for 110 boosts. Good thing it doesn't matter now cause the emissary expired.
10/10 Blizz.
weak isle
it is but is there any intel on how much the chance is of getting a 15 man proc?
cus those trinket procs have to overlap or smthing right?
strange python
Not sure but it shouldnt be hard to find out
Looking at logs of someone with a 15 man pantheon
solar abyss
is there anything rotation,playstyle wise u do with 2-4pc assassination?
strange python
You mean 2pc t20 and 4 t21?
solar abyss
no i mean jus in general new 2pc new 4pc
strange python
Oh, nothing changes, just more energy regen.
And damage.
With more energy regen you feel like you can catch more envenom uptime.
solar abyss
what legos u use for m+ cloak for aoe , and w.e st setup for bosses?
strange python
Cloak is atrocious, generally some combination of shoulders/boots/bracers will sim highest in any situation
Usually shoulder bracer is best.
solar abyss
i mean in general i will most likely stay sub for m+ but jus wondering for certain high level dungeons with Nelths lair for example, sin is much easier
and u use cloak sometimes for sub
strange python
we have no multipiers for fok.
zealous dew
DE
kind rose
slate tulip
he droped 2nd liek 20 min aggo ๐
slate tulip
sin atm
solar abyss
sins lookin better overall for raid, set is actually good and is scaling rlly well, sub isnt far behind but if u look on performance it is
worn marsh
is the dreadlord's deceit any good?
wise frigate
For Sin? Not really.
worn marsh
damn
farmed 1k essences and got that thing
welp,here's to a thousand more,thanks for the info,tho
wise frigate
Sounds about right. I'm looking forward to my Prydaz next.
Only have Prydaz, Sub boots and Sub gloves left.
wise frigate
Crown's pretty good.
worn marsh
gotta confess i never did a m+ dungeon in my entire life,lol
frosty pagoda
You have uh been missing out on a lot of gear every week lmao
sudden schooner
nimble tartan
Lul x2
gaunt moat
@jovial kite wew.
i'm only at 4 and 3
valid moss
what am I doing wrong here? I compared buffs/debuffs uptimes with other 90%+ parses and they are about the same. I don't understand why I already got 2x 45% there
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W7TpqbGRM4ZCgD3V#fight=23&type=damage-done
this cannot be bad luck
gaunt moat
i see that you've wasted a lot of CPs from mutilating at 4CPs
valid moss
hm weird, I only mutilate at 3CP
also trying to only use mutilate on adds, to not waste surge of toxins on them
gaunt moat
valid moss
any other major screw ups?
plucky valve
How good is T20 2 set...not very...right?
gaunt moat
very good
timber mauve
is there a list somewhere for what dungeons have what relics?
plucky valve
so it's worth sticking with even when I have 40+ ilevel upgrades?
gaunt moat
@valid moss why do you have 16 FoK casts on varimathras?
@timber mauve yes, dungeon journal
also
valid moss
I FoK'ed add, when I was too low energy to Mutilate I think
gaunt moat
ask mr robot if you click on the relic slot
timber mauve
hilarious
gaunt moat
it's not worth to fok the add
valid moss
I've seen other top logs rogues do it, because of EoC stacks. I dont use EoC but I thought it would be worth
alright so no more FoKing :D
lilac summit
is it worth to fok at 3 combo points?
gaunt moat
@valid moss
this is my log from varimathras (and i hard switched to add, whenver it was in melee, cause it didn't die on time)
so it's probably not optimal.
but if you wanna compare to something.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/btCTvnNJPG9cfxyk#fight=29&type=damage-done&source=5
also looking at mine it seems i also fucked up there and casted mutilate at 4
if i'mr eading it correctly
azure bronze
A noob question but does the 1% magic damage racial from nightborne affect sin poison damage?
valid moss
yea well, but damn 45%/50%? is that bad rng or what
valid moss
yea
gaunt moat
i dunno
keep in mind it's hard to get good rankings because of all the pervious rankings who took advantages of bugs
that were removed
like DP snapshotting
valid moss
no, old ranks are removed
if I check top assa logs, I don't see any poison knives rank 1s
valid moss
:<
weak pine
Can't you report them for bug abuse?
wise frigate
Owner of WCL I believe said they want to purge the DPGate logs but it's so hard to tell and he doesn't want to remove legit logs accidentally.,
civic palm
Wouldn't it be easy enough to see the logs that start with PK and just purge them?
and I am sure you could get the same effect from FoK/MUT from Stealth buuuuuuuuuut yeah.
weak pine
Just delete all logs that had any usage of 
Or poison knife for that matter
surely nothing could go wrong ๐
civic palm
There were very much people that were using FoK are a builder due to high PK relics.
So that's not 100% reliable.
or even... well...
old sphinx
weak pine
Don't you just have to get all logs on certain time interval and look through them?
civic palm
Yeah there was very much a period in which people were doing that.
weak pine
Or just for consistency sake delete all logs that used fok as main builder in ST before the fix
timber crow
Is worth use fok with 4 cp?
lone junco
do you have 5 6 7 pk relics?
timber crow
No
timber crow
Thanks guys
weak pine
it's not very good for us
i guess if you want more leech you can use it but that's just an excuse
civic palm
Not even 2M with Vision... booo...
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/XcWVyjJnf6D9zVdVo4mZq
ok I broke 2M by cheating...
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tooU33ohecYRak7mfP1ZLL
civic palm
No you need more.
weak isle
ahhaa nice
civic palm
More more more
Mooooooooooooooooooore
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE
weak isle
raidbot is saying every point in mastery is a 50 dps increase, am i getting close to some special cap since its so high? ๐ฎ
spice frost
My pawn string something like mast 48.5 crit 45 vers 39.5 agi 34 haste 31. Always get more mastery
crystal fox
oh man,i just spotted another fuglymog
lone junco
nice
crystal fox
how can people look like this by choice
lone junco
<redacted>
timber scroll
I was so hopeful to replace my 915 relic ๐ฆ
lone junco
@timber scroll you must have shoulder bracer. try bracer boot.
timber scroll
I do have shoulder bracer. thx, will sim bracer boot.
civic palm
So confidential they CAPITALIZED, bolded, and put a line on it.
My line isn't the same.
civic palm
Two was my next guess.
strange python
:p
civic palm
Gotta get the SYNTAX right.
crystal fox
arena closed beta?what arena?
crystal fox
TELL MEH
shrewd oriole
crystal fox
dat crit tho
shrewd oriole
hey guys do my stats look ok? think I might need some more crit tbh
new to assa
please help
fuck
lean falcon
shrewd oriole
wait what @valid moss
really?
fml I lose 12k dps LUL
wait 12k lower than what?
valid moss
blood elf
shrewd oriole
might be bugged rn tbh
shrewd oriole
the fekc
shrewd oriole
versa i think?
valid moss
oooh well that explains why its higher
damn thats pretty op actually
2% mastery 2% crit
but yea, well fuck nightborne, rip
signal ice
That's not how humans racial works.
It's 2% base.
So, remove all your gear and that is the 2% stat gain
Not after all your gear gets added.
craggy berry
no it's 2% from all your gear not a flat 2%
sonic pawn
If it was 2% from all gear then the difference would be higher no
Since 2% of 15k+ mastery is alot
craggy berry
if you have 1000 mastery on an item you get 1020 mastery
sonic pawn
Dank so 10k is an extra ring enchant
Well i mean the alliance clearly needs all the help they can get :c)
iron sinew
If yโall arenโt velf youโre doing it wrong
onyx rock
@keen inlet you changed the last pin... velf are not in simc yet... so nightborne are ? Cant find them in Fuus Paste Bin
obsidian spire
im struggling to decide what i wanna play sub or aassasination could anyone make my decision easier
whats more fun to play
obsidian spire
i am going too im asking for others opinions on the matter
mental barn
For exsang, say I have a bleed that has a second or two until I can apply it and get pandemic effect, and my exsang and master assassin are off cooldown, should I just wait til I can get pandemic on garrote and rupture when I vendetta exsang combo?
Or should I just pop that shit the moment itโs up and reapply bleeds
azure bronze
Sub is more punishing compared to sin but more rewarding to play and learn also depends what you want to do? Just for PVE content or raiding and stuff
mental barn
Or reapply then pop the shit
copper kestrel
Do I save vendetta for vanish if I have shoulders?
onyx rock
Hmm so on a high raiding lvl i would go sin... for open world stuff, m+ or Heroic Raiding maybe sub...
onyx rock
You can do all with the two Specs...
azure bronze
Outlaw is also pretty fun tbh
obsidian spire
i think DFA is cool lol
cosmic nacelle
DFA is POGGERS but when it misses its 
azure bronze
Or when it kills you LUL
spare flame
assa drives me crazy as it relies a little too heavily on rng sometimes to do well
shrewd oriole
wot
obsidian spire
isnt sub easier to play aswell
azure bronze
nah sin is easier then sub
spare flame
sub harder
onyx rock
@shrewd oriole agreed
obsidian spire
disgusting good or bad lool
cosmic nacelle
sub is easy to play but very unforgiving if you mess up
onyx rock
Bad
azure bronze
Bad
obsidian spire
our rogue has killed us a few times on maiden with DFA
azure bronze
I've had several times on Mythic KJ were it would jump me straight into the boss during felclaws
shrewd oriole
^
onyx rock
Play dfa on mythic coven for example or even better kingaroth ๐
shrewd oriole
spawning orbs on air on maiden is 100% your fault
same for kj
I mean it's aids
but it's ur fault
cosmic nacelle
our sub rogue kept falling through the platform on kinny g with shadowstep from stealth raid leader got mad and told him to fix his problem 
told him its a bug raid leaders response was "to bad fix it" was fucking rolling when i heard that
vapid moth
Only on stealth
vapid moth
Then move behind the boss lol. Or use it before stealth
vapid moth
Itโs a shitty opener
torn coyote
maybe its better?
vapid moth
Why do you think that
cosmic nacelle
its a mistake he just went with it
hes not gonna ask his entire guild to wipe it when he fucks up a couple of spells
vapid moth
Whereโd you even find it
cosmic nacelle
expessally on farm
slim estuary
Hey everyone, i found I ran out of energy as sin a lot more than sub. Do I have to pool energy at any point?
or am i right in spamming my abilities to the point where my energy is never above 50%?
torn coyote
i always pool before kingsbane
slim estuary
just coming from the spammy sub playstyle I found like as sin I was getting far less APM than I should have cause i never had enough energy
cosmic nacelle
your surge of toxins uptime is probably awful if your just spamming
tough patrol
Guys im new with rogue class and im playing assasination /poioson spec .Im undergeared at moment,but i cant understund the single target and AoE rotation, can i ve your help pls? ๐ฌ
civic palm
Yeah sure.
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
civic palm
There's a guide at the top of this Discord channel and pins to the right of that.
wise frigate
Illya's faster Miz.
civic palm
I mean, I had more words.
tough patrol
Yeh i know, but on the guide there is only the opening rotation to do
wise frigate
But are more words always better?
civic palm
The priority list if there as well.
In this case, yes, more words are better considering the information is important.
slim estuary
so unlike sub I should only envenom when SoT falls off?
civic palm
Was gonna say, haha.
slim estuary
so hold on envenom until it drops off?
gilded lark
envenom, unlike SoT, benefits from pandemic
slim estuary
Does envenom pnademic
gilded lark
so anywhere from 1.8-0s
slim estuary
This is my only heroic sin log and I went horrible, why?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/C3cAj8HJmrMt1pW6#fight=17&type=damage-done
slim estuary
yes but I was doing trash dps at the start too
torn coyote
ur opener is wrong
gilded lark
well you fucked your opener up on the heroic log
torn coyote
use kingsbane and toixcblade on cd
gilded lark
your bleed uptimes are absolutely abysmal
onyx falcon
lol @topaz axle "well you died" LOL
slim estuary
Garrote>mut>rup>tb>kb>vanish>env?
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
gilded lark
well yeah, except you vend too late
and it fucks your vanish window
read the guide
onyx falcon
FML too many broadsides
gilded lark
you have some basic shit to catch up on
slim estuary
Again, sub main haha.
gilded lark
again, read the guide
onyx falcon
well for Coven it is a quite a different thing for rotation
civic palm
The entire guide.
Don't read some of it, then ask questions that will be answered just a few lines later.
torn coyote
garrote mut rup vett toxicblade kingsbane vanish env mutli evn untll mantle buffs off
shrewd oriole
Fuck man
the guy who made that meme that everyone loved earlire
actually got punished over it
LOL
this one incase some of you guys didnt see it
hilarious
gilded lark
rofl
exotic glen
ok thats funny
lapis shale
Guys would you use the legendary helm or the legendary boots if there is no difference in the simulation? (With shoulders)
(Still don't have wrists)
hollow barn
Iโd rather play with boots if the sims are the same, but also depends on fight, will you have to hold vendetta at some point and lose boots bonus
solar willow
i'm a sub 965eq 4/11 mythic thinking of swapping over to assassination
i have my weapons ready but i'm missing the other legendary which is i belive the wrists
is it a spec i'll get used to easy or no?
strange python
what's the average SoT uptime one should have?
on patchwerk? ~90% is my typical. don't worry about it though.
tepid siren
hello guys how does posion bomb work exactly is it totally rng proc or can I manage to time it or w/e
vapid moth
@solar willow itโs relatively easy to play
strange python
It is total rng but you can maximize your chances of getting procs over the course of a fight by never wasting combo points
tepid siren
cause I watched my logs on highcommand I think I got like 4 procs whole fight
69 mil dmg and top one rogue on logs have 268 mil
thats difference asfk
solar willow
is sweeping trinket bad for assassination?
strange python
yes
green osprey
if i use mutilate and get 4 combo points is it worth mutilating for the 5th one for rupture or envenom or just use them at the 4 cap
warm cedar
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
vapid moth
@green osprey use the 4 cp
Why you link the guide. The guide doesnโt provide reasoning
strange python
quick question if anyone knows.. does raidbots sim already takes into consideration the 5% dmg buff from void elf racial?
vapid moth
If you mut again you are wasting up to 3 cp. depending on the crits. Ideally you want a 4cp mut + envenom every time cause itโs the best energy to cp ratio
No raidbots doesnt
vapid moth
Mut. Whatโs your reasoning behind fok
strange python
fear of wasting combopoints in case it crits
vapid moth
But if it doesnโt crit you still used 35 energy to get one cp
Better to spend 55 to get 2
strange python
true, thanks
also I read on mmo that instead of applying rupture to multiple targets on a m+ trash fight, its better to just rupture one and then fok+envenom the whole time
Whats your thought about this?
vapid moth
Depends on how many mobs there are but yeah. Cause of the 4 piece
vapid moth
I wouldnโt know. Personally Iโd do it at 4
elder dirge
Thinking about changing my BE to a NB rogue, worth it or not a good choice? Also does the 1% magic work for poison as well since it's nature?
shut willow
#1morepb?
shut willow
deathstrike harder?
shut willow
keypress pressure = dps increase
ok, obliterate harder?
you got it tho, wish we were on aggramar
casual 2night guild here with 2/11 mythic and 7% wipe on ATHC
onyx falcon
meme beam harder even though its ST?
lone junco
@jovial kite
niet
recreated this from the raw data
only crit point i can imagine is a crit mastery combination based on T21. But I cant do that with my tools.
turbid harbor
my guild had a 10mil wipe as well
we didn't even kill it the next raid ๐
flares btw
still tangle
Can someone give this terrible ass rogue some advice, if I had to vanish during TB + last 5s of KB or during TB + Vendetta, which one would be better?
plain thistle
tank wanted to do the ranged mechanic
but with 120M boss hp left, he should just tanked it
and just ignore the 50% buff
onyx falcon
noobe wheres the graph from o.o
spice surge
Simc stat plotting
timid plume
you run subterfuge w/o shoulders?
ashen horizon
any news on nightborne for dps?
exotic glen
you killed argus yet eleem?`
exotic glen
hahaha
strange python
why is bleed super underrepresented in logs?
the ones i do find are doing nearly the same dps
urban storm
requires a lot of crit
timid plume
question the opener on ravenholdt dont show the amount of CP to use the finishers with
strange python
the ravenholdt opener is button by button
just press them in that order essentially and then use the 4+ rule
strange python
wait you dont have shoulders do you
timid plume
no
strange python
aye thats above my paygrade, i would assume 4+ rule but
gilded lark
then look at the non shoulder opener
strange python
oh ye theres one of those too
timid plume
do I have to run subterfuge w/o shoulder
or its that big of a loss i guess
imma just practice it
on dummy
spice surge
Bleeds are underrepresented because its harder to gear for
And during the fok-era it was pretty far behind
timid plume
just returned to my rogue again after it have been in deep slumber since NH
primal tangle
Was it long enough to call an era? Or just a meta
celest mirage
boots for adds in m+. Thoughts?
gilded lark
no
fallow canopy
still no VE on Simc ๐ฆ
soft island
Vendetta is bad trash CD generaly. Only good for big adds and bosses. U dont need it faster. Just shoulders and bracers since you will use these effect on every pack
turbid harbor
why do people care so much about racial sims
like their life isn't complete until they can sim races against each other
dreamy furnace
Hey =). I have a quick question. I don't have the shoulders but Bracers / head is simming higher for me than Bracers/ boots. Is that normal? It seems like everyone is using one of those top 3
soft island
Agreed. Better have 1 percent dps less than look whole life like a gay
turbid harbor
hey, that's perfectly normal and depends on the rest of your gear
dreamy furnace
Yeah, I'm 963 for 4pc I just did not super expect it
dreamy furnace
with*
turbid harbor
for the majority of people the boots will sim better than helm because you can play with 2pc t20 as well
and t21 helm is really nicely statted
dreamy furnace
oh! That's totally true. Yeah I have not been bothered with getting the 2pc
livid crescent
Any word on the update for racials in Simc
solar abyss
i switched v elf but regretting it, any worth for sin? sub doesnt seem like it
harsh totem
What do you guys think is minimum crit needed? My mastery is so high, but to max it Iโm down to 30% crit
quick ice
I'm at 28 and happy
stable fog
are there any sims to show how big of a dps increase t21 is over t20? or optimal set up 2 pc and 2 pc? I just re-subbed.. trying to figure out what to do.
timid plume
I wonder if I should play Undead Rogue or Nightborne rogue.. hmmm nightborne female look decent?
wise frigate
Nothing like clearing normal on my 891 monk. Finish at 925 with Golg's.
somber oar
everyone puts so much weight on mastery assassin
with the exeption of a perfectly timed long single target fight
seems all hype
indigo glacier
Does internal bleeding work with venoumous wounds?
jovial kite
theres no way crits value continues to rise beyond 40% at a constant pace
as i saw a 2 per point drop from 44 to 47
with 1 shocklight and fang
indigo glacier
it appears that its possible internal bleeding works with venoumous wounds
so I'll have to test that a bit more
but internal bleeding doesn't apply to bosses because they don't get hit by the stun ๐ฆ
civic palm
97% M-Gorathi UGH
somber oar
wouldnt be worth anyways to dropsurge
even if it did work
only use would be m+? which prey is way better
indigo glacier
dropsurge?
gilded lark
the energy gain is not worth the dps loss.
indigo glacier
hmm
I assume it ticks once per second, so thats a total of +95 energy. It costs 1 gcd, so it would be worth it if it worked on bosses, but yeah its not worth it because it only hits trash
because it probably lets you get an extra mutilate off
that or I'm just really shit at ass rogue, because I don't always have the energy to cast stuff on gcd
indigo glacier
I know
signal ice
Well you are also forgetting the 4-5 cp used for that ability instead of envenom
gilded lark
and one extra mutilate + the shit bleed dmg of internal bleeding
indigo glacier
you can use it at 1 cp if you need to hmm
gilded lark
is much less than an envenom
indigo glacier
if you were using it for just energy gain, your goal would be to use it at as low cp as possible
note that none of this actually matters because it doesn't work on bosses
signal ice
You still waste cp then. You burn 2 Gcd + dropping envenom buff, for minor energy gain and wasted cpdmg
Yeah it doesn't matter. But efficiency is efficiency
indigo glacier
I feel it would at least be worth a try
95 energy for one cp and a gcd is nothing to scoff at
signal ice
Minus ability cost
signal ice
For both builder and spender
signal ice
So a muti used would be 55
indigo glacier
see my issue is I was looking for the energy in the log, and forgot to just check the ticks lol
gilded lark
dont even need to log it
just go to a dummy
dont apply bleeds
kidney shot
watch energy bar
indigo glacier
I'm dumb 
gilded lark
yes
indigo glacier
another question: is it worth ever refreshing rupture/garrote early over letting it drop for a short time
indigo glacier
no
gilded lark
indigo glacier
I never said I was smart
gilded lark
then stop feelycrafting
orchid cove
is there a sheet to see whats the best race now or ? just wondering ?
daring imp
the 1% magic dmg worth it at all for nightborn as sin
gilded lark
gonna start a tally on how many times pol asks about races in a day
drowsy parcel
did a quick sim just for you guys https://gyazo.com/c9c15b743d6078b2999ebd4f26413ed7
tauren rogue where u at ๐ฆ
orchid cove
isnt tauren and dwarf the same or ?
strange python
the year of titanforging and people still min max races O M E G A L U L
steep obsidian
of course
you pick the race that makes you look best in a transmog
everyone knows you do more dps when you look better
tidal meadow
To bad we don't have zandalari yet
jovial kite
Void > all
tidal meadow
Fuck that emo alliance bs
pastel roost
5% dmg while doing opener burst is quite nice
tidal meadow
I've been a blood elf for years
Nothing new to that crap
The pink skin from belf is better imo. But race is all eye of the beholder in end.
male zandalari is freaking bad ass
quick talon
you pick the race that you can jerk off to obviously
pastel roost
Look
quick talon
so fuck this blue skinned trash
tidal meadow
@quick talon I lobe you
Not love lobe
๐๐๐
Plus you're spamming alliance trash
For the horde
BFA has me a bit pumped apologies for my rp
fast depot
Does anyone know if the sims accurately represent SoT when used with less than 5 cp? I wonder if it's giving us the full 10% during shoulder window when we're using 4 cp envenoms
pastel roost
Don't worry i'm alliance and i cheered when Sylv yelled in the cinematic too
tidal meadow
๐
jovial kite
@fast depot no we get 8%
fast depot
nice, thank you ๐
tidal meadow
What racial is doing that @jovial kite?
I'll go look it up. Don't want to be a scrub. Not that ill race change, but I should educate myself.
viscid helm
What
strange python
Velf 
jovial kite
๐คฆ
strange python
Velf ๐คค
tidal meadow
@jovial kite sorry I was pulling from @pastel roost
My brain pulled from another conversation my attention span is horrible and I'm watching dragon ball
pastel roost
Void elf , got a 12sec 5% dmg proc with 1 min cd from the moment it proc,
and once the cd if off it basicaly instantly proc again , so yeah 5% dmg for 12sec evey 48 sec basicaly
gilded lark
pastel roost
answering to @tidal meadow
gilded lark
how you you get once every 48s if it has a 1 min cd
pastel roost
12 sec duration
pastel roost
Do i have to really explain it ? maybe yes at the very start you can say that , but once it proc ( literaly at the start of the fight) you have 12 sec of 5% dmg
The cd start at the proc , not at the end
gilded lark
yes
pastel roost
when the buff ends , you can expect it to proc once more 48 sec later
gilded lark
and how many seconds is that in total
fiery nest
48 seconds without the buff
turbid harbor
this is really good
livid hull
The draenai racial is better for m+
pastel roost
I mean , just asking other people at that point because i don't know if i legit retarded myself , but from my pov you are buffed with 5% dmg every 48 sec
turbid harbor
my dude
jovial kite
Rofl
turbid harbor
you're buffed for 5% damage every minute
livid hull
Too bad we canโt play draenai
gilded lark
it's not every 48s
jesus
you have 48s of downtime
and 12s of uptime
that means
60s
between uses
fiery nest
But you spend 48 seconds w/o the buff ๐ค
zealous dew
MADNESS
jovial kite
Time without buff =/=cd
turbid harbor
what even is a second when you think about it
jovial kite
=/=
turbid harbor
just an arbitrary man made creation
livid hull
1000ms
fiery nest
๐ค
jovial kite
If you have 1min icd
gilded lark
no but if you have a 1 min cd you actually have a 48s cd
jovial kite
Youre talking apples are oranges. If u talk 48 sec
gilded lark
limber dew
Even with new racials is the dps gains still minor ?
pastel roost
Would you feel better if i said , effectiv time without the 5% dmg buff
gilded lark
time without the buff does not = cd lol
pastel roost
i give up
gilded lark
you should
warm spruce
bah punny elves.. orc masterrace :>
jovial kite
guys
gilded lark
jovial kite
I just figured this shit out
If you have boots your vendetta cd is like 50 sec
But you are on vendetta for 20 sec!!!!!
So ur vendetta cd is only 30!!!!!!
gilded lark
lol
turbid harbor
gottem
zealous dew
damn vendetta
fossil slate
@gilded lark looks like youโre having a fun morning ๐
gilded lark
is that what we're calling it
zealous dew
so what can i do in those 30s where i do less damage than a BM hunter ?
jovial kite
Lets not
Because then definitions would lose their meaning
And world first would mean getting lfr 985 titanforged or some shit
livid hull
How else would I know how shitty I am?