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naive cypress
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Wat

crystal fox
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Artichoke in the middle, its calles a qauttro stagioni aka four seasons

naive cypress
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Huh, cool

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Imma try some of that

shrewd night
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Is that what the restaurant calls it, or what it actually is?

crystal fox
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Quite sure its world known as that

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Yeah italian quattro stagioni

quick ice
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yeah, pizza place near me has it

crystal fox
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The ingredients are usually split up after the seasons but i like it mixed

violet yew
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What have I just come into? ๐Ÿค”

quick ice
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doesn't that make it the opposite?

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pizzachat

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not the opposite, just not 4 seasons?

midnight latch
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@violet yew welcome to assassination may i take your order?

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๐Ÿ

violet yew
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Oooff

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Pinaple pizzza triggers many a person

quick ice
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@midnight latch please don't start the pineapple disaster again

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we had that a couple days ago

violet yew
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I'm a more traditional pizza guy. American pizza isn't very nice.

midnight latch
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I fuckin love starting that pineapple shit

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cause its always funny

strange python
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Should be ham, mushroom, olives, artichokes

violet yew
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Good combo

midnight latch
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smh ppl cant wrap their head around that other ppl may or may not like different food

steep obsidian
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capricciosa

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i agree with ninpovis

strange python
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Those shrimps are out of place

violet yew
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Although a standard Napoli done well is perfect.

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COVERED IN PINAPLE

strange python
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But probably still good

steep obsidian
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i think savoury works much better on pizza

quick ice
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I disagree very much with pineapple on pizza

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but whatever

crystal fox
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Ovenbaked pineaplle with cheese and pizza toppings on it ๐Ÿค”

steep obsidian
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but ill eat pineapple

jovial kite
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Have you ever had fresh pineapple on pizza?

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Not sugared can shit americunts enjoy

quick ice
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I don't think we really get canned pineapple here tbh

delicate ravine
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Can someone tell me if it's true. Does crit become better than mastery at a certain point, as assassination ? ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

viscid helm
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Go away

jovial kite
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For bleed

violet yew
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Depends on poison pinaple procs

delicate ravine
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I am poison

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And raidbots starts value crit over mastery

viscid helm
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๐Ÿคฆ

crystal fox
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If your crit is low then crit is more valuable than mastery

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But not better

viscid helm
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๐Ÿค”

delicate ravine
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Well it's at 35% and it seem to be after I acquired tier 21 - 2 pieces

strange python
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I like pineapple

crystal fox
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Did i say it wrong flowi?

midnight latch
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higher crit makes mastery more valuable

strange python
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Sim it

delicate ravine
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Also I see Notter has become more crit oriented

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Can I trust raidbots, I guess my real question is XD

midnight latch
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yeah

strange python
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No we tell everyone to use raidbots to fuck them over

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We count dps by hand

midnight latch
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Its just data

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what you make of it is the question

strange python
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Itโ€™s literally the same as simcraft

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Just easier to use

midnight latch
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which is also data

strange python
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You want top dps or enjoy sunlight is the real question

jovial kite
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HoW CaN wE bE ReAl iF DaTa IS nOT

strange python
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No, you cant have both

delicate ravine
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I want top dps Shadรธw XD

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Who needs D-vitamin anyways

strange python
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Then hereโ€™s what you do

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Raidbots with a string

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Use pawn

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Equip better item

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Resim

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String in pawn

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Equip better item

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Resim

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Etc.

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Also read all the guides

delicate ravine
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Im already doing that, but everytime the string changes it changes my priorities, and then I equip the other items, it changes again

strange python
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Also download that addon I forgot the name of

delicate ravine
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Math is confusing haha

jovial kite
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Of

strange python
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Sim what does most dmg

jovial kite
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Coursw

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it changes

strange python
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2k is marginal

viscid helm
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Is there no trashbin emote

jovial kite
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๐Ÿคฆ

delicate ravine
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๐Ÿ˜‹

strange python
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:trash:

delicate ravine
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Sowwyy

jovial kite
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๐Ÿšœ

strange python
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:thonking:

jovial kite
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Shit

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๐Ÿ”ซ

strange python
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:Flowi:

crystal fox
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:outlaw:

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didnt work ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

delicate ravine
warm parcel
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๐Ÿšฎ @viscid helm

viscid helm
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Nice

midnight latch
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๐Ÿ˜‚

warm parcel
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You can think of stats like this

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If you have 10
Do you want them 3x3x3x1
Or 4x2x2x2
Or1x1x1x7

crystal fox
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"follow your heart"

warm parcel
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Thats how stats work

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And thats why it changes

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When you swap around stuff

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Its just a bit more complicated behind tge scenes

midnight latch
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Its like distributing attributes in an RPG

harsh raven
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Considering returning to WoW after a longer break. Seems Assassination is now the most viable spec?

crystal fox
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im sure outlaw is

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go roll them bones

forest verge
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Hi guyz. New to assa. Im preparing UI. Do you have WA for Garrote and Rupture that would dynamicaly show me pandemic on these two based on how much CP i spent?

steep obsidian
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im pretty sure notters weakauras in the ๐Ÿ“Œ do that

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i dont use that so im not 100% sure though

cerulean depot
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does nether disruptor give one seal total now?

forest verge
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ye i will have to extract what i need

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but thanks

dire spoke
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๐Ÿ‘€

gaunt moat
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I wasn't here ๐Ÿ˜ฌ

viscid helm
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You are never here

gaunt moat
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No U

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I'm trying to be a muscle bunny

midnight latch
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thought you did not want to become overly muscular :thinkachu:

jovial kite
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What happened to otter mode notter

gaunt moat
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Well. Fit bunny.

wooden apex
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small question; are the general logs somewhat misleading for assa due to the rng of poison bomb? Or does it not have that much of an effect on the rankings?

jovial kite
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pb is a factor pull to pull basis

viscid helm
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Only way to rank is rng

midnight latch
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#1 logs are almost always sick pb procs

jovial kite
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Not on 100 pull basis

wooden apex
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I see. Mostly asking due to my own performance is pretty "mediocre" based on my ilvl bracket on wowlogs, but I feel I'm doing most things right considering how the class is optimally played

jovial kite
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If you dont waste cp / energy and do max amount of cd usage per pull

narrow comet
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pray to the gods that rng is with you

jovial kite
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Then its probably bad luck

narrow comet
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posion bomb loved me for once

jovial kite
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What

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Get out

gaunt moat
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Well 1# logs still have DP snapshotting afaik

dire spoke
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still missing on that yoga pants selfie Notter ๐Ÿ‘

midnight latch
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ravioli ravioli give me that poisonbomboli

jovial kite
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๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ†

wooden apex
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DP snapshotting a thing?

gaunt moat
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It was. But is fixed now.

waxen bane
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How do u get so many PB procs...mine is always so low!!!

narrow comet
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luck

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pray

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and dun get shit jobs to do

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wich is most of the time the case

gaunt moat
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Can you top my 1.4% pb damage pn gorothi?

uneven summit
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Notter, any thoughts on the BFA talents yet ๐Ÿ˜ƒ ?

viscid helm
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No

waxen bane
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So there is no stat that makes PB proc more? :p

uneven summit
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I know you have none Flowi, doensยดt mean nobody else donยดt ๐Ÿ˜›

narrow comet
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no its all rng

spark pond
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Hey guys, silly question...Besides the higher DPS simmed. Worth using any of this others comp in ST fights? I mean, antecipation to keep some CPs saved for envemom burst, or maybe vigor to have more energy and faster regen...I don't know. What do you guys think?

Also, I don't have both bis yet, using only shoulder and insignia (my best combo available atm)

gaunt moat
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My thoughts?
Not a fan of PB staying complete rng as a talent. (Even if it's stack of cards rng)
Not sure how viable the 3sec 100% crit from stealth will be compared to subterfuge and NS.
MAYBE good for m+ burst combined with CT.
But we'll see.

amber sleet
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Isnt it 50% crit from stealth?

uneven summit
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aiiiight

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yeah 50%

gaunt moat
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Oh yeah. So even worst.

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But i think they might change it to 100%

narrow comet
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well see how it goes, although i have no faith in this dev team at all

viscid helm
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Bring back shadow focus

narrow comet
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most exiting thing for me is can loot a weapon again and look sexy as void elf and thats about it for now

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but ofc i am happy to be on team @gaunt moat again

viscid helm
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Thank god weapons can only wf

narrow comet
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they were thinking about not, was that set in stone?

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because i kinda hope they do that as i am very salty seeing another rogue with tf weapon running around while my shitty rng can't even get a f tier piece to wf

viscid helm
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I cant get a single piece either some clown called weakfreeze with 850ilvl running around in our raids

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Soaking all the tokens

narrow comet
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I hate the system

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in Tomb i run like 4 months of mythics, than we got a new rogue that needed geared, the dude got better gear in heroic than me. Atleast at one point he got again better gear than me and he trade me, i had better heroic pieces than mythic

lavish mason
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playing assa in m+.. do i always use fan to get combo points on trash?

viscid helm
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Playing Sin in m+

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Ohh boy

lavish mason
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wut

hardy bluff
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Yes

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He meant yes.

midnight latch
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cucking the groups cause you like to gamble for pb on ae ๐Ÿ˜„

hardy bluff
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the only way to play

midnight latch
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rolling the dice

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๐Ÿ˜„

gaunt trench
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I donโ€™t get what is the problem with Sin in M+ it works perfectly well like any other class if you know what you are doing. Ofc if you are making 50+ for no other reason than measuring dicks on the internet yeah probably the AOE of Sin is not the best.

gaunt moat
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@midnight latch i'd argue it doesn't matter if you're playing sin if you're doing like 15-18.
maybe above that you can hurt your group...

midnight latch
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actually funny thing

gaunt moat
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and then at really high levels sin gets better

midnight latch
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on really high keys

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sin> sub

gaunt moat
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but fuck that.

wide badge
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juicy sub burst on m+ ๐Ÿ˜›

midnight latch
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I mean if you spam 15+
packs blow up before sin even shows up on the meter

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I mean its still fine

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cause you gonna 3 chest it anyways

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and cause you are spamming for 15+ it doesnt matter

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but if you want to be actually the most efficient and fastest while farming

gaunt moat
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exactly.
i mean, it don't argue that sin is better than sub. just that it doesn't matter that much

midnight latch
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you should play sub on those keys

gaunt moat
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and if it's tyrannical, sin can be pretty decent.

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especially for EoA

midnight latch
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but that is if you daisy chain the keys

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if you run one once per week

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play whatever really

gaunt moat
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yah

midnight latch
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and its not like I am being serious

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I am just memeing my dudes

wide badge
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naya u memer

midnight latch
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๐Ÿ˜

gaunt moat
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ah yes, the oldest excuse in the book

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"IT WAS JUST A MEME"

midnight latch
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ok lemme rephrase

vernal adder
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You all fucking suck

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jk meme

midnight latch
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@gaunt moat

gaunt moat
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haha

wide badge
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crying for pbs

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thats the spirit

viscid helm
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Can u hurry up naya

viscid helm
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I need to go soon

midnight latch
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I dont play sin in m+ key cause i do way more dps as sub
and I hate being not the most optimal for x szenario
I want to get the most out of the tools that are given to me
And I have a real issue with ppl having these "whatever mate" mindset
I mean I can accept that you have a different opinion but it doesnt mean I have to like it:
At the end of the day you do you
and I do I.

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I mean sure you can play sin in m+

vernal adder
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I play outlaw in +20

viscid helm
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/rant

midnight latch
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I can also open a can of ravioli with a tire iron

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there are just more efficient ways to go about things

warm parcel
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Szenario strikes back

midnight latch
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@gaunt moat that are some sweet progression pics

gaunt moat
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it's locked behind DLC ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

hardy bluff
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but the tire iron though

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so much fun

vernal adder
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did you try SoO ?

warm parcel
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You dont have can opener?

gaunt moat
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i tihnk i threw it away cause it was rusty =/

midnight latch
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can somebody post me a log of the right can opener pls?

warm parcel
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F

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Gotcha

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Or should I say bin opener

vernal adder
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where is distract

midnight latch
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bin opener :omegalul:

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just like my parses

vernal adder
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straight in the bin

midnight latch
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grey as the discord background

hardy bluff
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HAHA. That was good. I enjoyed that.

midnight latch
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@warm parcel fuckin dead IRL

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that was really well played

viscid helm
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Ur progress is also as stale as this chat

midnight latch
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can you not

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pls

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6/11 memento

warm parcel
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Arent you the one getting stabbed not me

dire spoke
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@Notter#7189 ๐Ÿ˜‚ that is actually amazing

midnight latch
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nice tag brah

copper kestrel
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Is the Nightstalker / Deadly Poison bug still a thing?

naive cypress
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No

reef harbor
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Is it possible to sim a fight that's essentially last phase of argus mythic? My follow rogue is trying to be persistant in playing boots shoulders instead of swapping one of them with wrists because he's not convinced it'll be worth it ๐Ÿ˜…

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Like 30% dmg on bleeds and poisons for half of last phase, don't know why I even have to discuss it but maybe with sims I could change his mind

patent sparrow
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just tell him he's wrong and never stop belittling him for it

jovial kite
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Ur gonna need the execute

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Tell him to stop being stupid

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The only thing that matters in mythic argus is last phase

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@reef harbor

viscid helm
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When half of the boss is execute and you refuse to play bracers

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๐Ÿค”

midnight latch
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sounds like something weak would do

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chilling in the middle of the room

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with boots on

reef harbor
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Yeah, wish that message would get across xD I'll just have to pull out logs I guess and spam him

midnight latch
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pressing feint

jovial kite
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Just tell him come here

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So we can tell him in person how retarded not playing bracers is

reef harbor
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LOL

jovial kite
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Im serious

wide badge
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time to play some bleeds

reef harbor
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So u guys that have killed, u playing boots or shoulders? With wrists obv ๐Ÿ˜…

jovial kite
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Wrist shoulder

reef harbor
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I tried both, I wanna play boots but our P1 seem to force me into shoulders cuz more reliable

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Have shit offpieces for boots wrists tho

grave depot
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Boots shoulders is simming 30K higher than shoulders wrist for me o.O

jovial kite
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you get 1 juicy buffed vanish

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With shoulders

reef harbor
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Yeah, as I said, I wanna play boots cuz overall it should be better with more vendettas, but it even sims less. Guess I need to hope for some offpieces

jovial kite
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i mean

reef harbor
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Cuz mastery drops like 30% with boots wrists

jovial kite
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Last phase vanishes with titanbuff are strong toi

viscid helm
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I bet no one here has even killed the boss

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People just talking shit

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Sitting at 6/11

reef harbor
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Well u have and weak has, give some protips ๐Ÿ˜‰

jovial kite
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progress is over sips tea

viscid helm
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Dont play like weak did

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Is a pretty solid one

jovial kite
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How weak played ๐Ÿค”

strange python
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guys do you like World of Warcraft ?

midnight latch
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@viscid helm hey i am just sandbagging ok xD

stuck socket
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we had to like this game? O_o

jovial kite
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Absolutely hate

stuck socket
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why no one told me

worthy thistle
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Thinking about just quitting until new trolls come out

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Only reason worth paying 15/month for

valid moss
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when are new sims comming out?

viscid helm
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This weather rn

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Kill me

dire spoke
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Alliance โ™ฟ

zealous dew
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spam?

faint vale
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In raidbots discord there is a string to copy paste so all races are in one report. This link spam gives me ebola

weary wasp
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if he is presenting good info its the very opposite of spam

tepid ridge
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wasn't aware of that Lhaleo thanks

faint vale
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Pinned in general

glad ferry
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I too am easily disturbed by too much text; reminds me of school.

jovial kite
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@viscid helm gotta drive 120km in this shitstorm ๐Ÿ‘Œ

viscid helm
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Lmao

jovial kite
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Am not laughing ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ˜ญ

keen inlet
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my commute took twice as long this morning

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why?

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because people feel the need to slam on their brakes on the highway
and/or switch lanes
for no reason whatsoever

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i welcome our robot driving overlords.

viscid helm
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@jovial kite gonna be even worse tomorrow

warm parcel
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Yep

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Didnt get day off

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Fuck me right

jovial kite
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Yeah i know

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Glad we got a strike

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Union/countrywide

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Can play wow and laugh at grannies slipping in the storm ๐Ÿ‘Œ

viscid helm
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Yeh im not laughing

jovial kite
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Strike doesnt affect you?

serene glacier
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no, he's the granny slipping in the storm

warm parcel
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Nop

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Work tmrw

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Aand walking after train cause nothing else works

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๐Ÿ˜ ๐Ÿ”ซ

jovial kite
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Shit

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that sucks

tawdry halo
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Finally good got enough pieces to replace t20 2set FeelsGoodMan

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although garotte is now this weird as fuck ability i cant spam for some reason

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(i know the reason, it just feels clunky as hell now)

manic vigil
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I want t20 2p back. Why would you be happy to lose it you madman

tawdry halo
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I mean

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it feels good that i could finally look at a slot that wasnt neck or waist

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and go "fuck"

zealous dew
manic vigil
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Fair enough

tawdry halo
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like t21 4set + t20 2set + bracer/boot leggos and having the antorus trinket and an eye of command means that i was only ever looking for waist and neck

vernal adder
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are shops closed in finland tomorrow, asking the finn peeps

tawdry halo
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or a titanforged eye

warm parcel
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Nop

tawdry halo
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felt shit to be able to only ever upgrade like 2 pieces

manic vigil
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Weather raping you guys up there?

warm parcel
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Isnt it just hkl

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And dno about outside capital area

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Weve strike tmrw

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So no public transit

vernal adder
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fun

jovial kite
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Its jhl too

vernal adder
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aye

warm parcel
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And literally a blizzard outside

vernal adder
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in the capital ye, im here in ร–sterbotten lul

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pohojanmaa

warm parcel
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Lul

manic vigil
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All the cool people are Scandinavian. Coincidence or pattern ๐Ÿค”

jovial kite
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so all public transport except trains are out

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Trams buses metro

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Ferries (lul)

vernal adder
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viroon

viscid helm
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trains gonna be like 2h late

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LUL

jovial kite
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Tep

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Yep

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Or

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Not working at all

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Since vr is known to fuck up during winter/ slightest storm

warm parcel
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Thats mby 2 feet of snow

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On the walkway

viscid helm
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its like 20cm by now

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and its gonna continue for another +36h

warm parcel
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2 feet is more ๐Ÿค”

jovial kite
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2 feet 60cm

vernal adder
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gonna be fun when that melts and then we get - weather

jovial kite
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it was just like that

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A week ago

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I was cursing it herw

crystal fox
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i got the wet right now, snow is melting

weary tundra
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still no sims for new allied racials?

vernal adder
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just sim it loool

manic vigil
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We didn't have proper snow this whole winter. Just loads of raining

jovial kite
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The fuck

vernal adder
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vitun hauskaa

trail sky
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stna kivaa

worthy thistle
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Using feet outside if murica lul

jovial kite
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That gas tanker is raised 70cm off grounf lvl

vernal adder
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โ„

midnight latch
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so should I measure now from the photo how much cm snow there is smh?

vernal adder
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better go to the shop so I dont have to leave my apartment this weekend

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just keep that snow in the south ey?

jovial kite
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sure naya

vernal adder
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fuck the snowing has started

warm parcel
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F

jovial kite
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F

crystal fox
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F

midnight latch
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F

jovial kite
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Guys i think he ded

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Its been 5 min

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Prolly buried by the snoo

gaunt moat
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๐ŸŽŠ

warm parcel
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Fuck me

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Snows for a day and finland.exe stopped working

spice surge
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Unlucky. Sweden just has rainy snow that just gets everybody wet af

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Wtb proper snow

warm parcel
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Ye well

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Can see mby 100m
Commute went from 40 to 1h30

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๐Ÿ‘บ

spice surge
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Unlucky idd

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Seems to be chaos in nothern sweden too, idk if its going south of not though

jovial kite
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Can confirm visibility < 150m

warm parcel
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I swear

keen inlet
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Don't swear

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it's ignint

warm parcel
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Skiing would be faster

jovial kite
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๐Ÿคฃ

warm parcel
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Than this shit

spice surge
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Probably

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Old school commuting

jovial kite
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Well, i had to stop at a local truck stop cus my windscreen fukin me over

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err

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Swipers

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How u call em

warm parcel
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๐Ÿค”

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Those thingies

jovial kite
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Yes

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That go wax on wax off

keen inlet
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windshield wipers

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idiot

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sorry that was Riff

manic vigil
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Xd

keen inlet
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ion intensifies

jovial kite
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Eh toxic jose

dire spoke
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so many finns in this channel ๐Ÿ˜ฆ it's like a finnvasion

warm parcel
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heHEE

vernal adder
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karjala takaisin

midnight latch
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vittu

nova jasper
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!guide

chrome tuskBOT
nova jasper
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thanks

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๐Ÿ˜ƒ

quartz depot
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meights

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how do i see how many poison bomb procs i got in logs

keen inlet
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m8s

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link a log and I'll show you

quartz depot
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yo that's too much pressure

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random guys log

orchid cove
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wow you dont want to show your 99s ?

quartz depot
#

i only do 99s in sub

keen inlet
#

(top sin parse for vari)

quartz depot
#

i know that

#

i just want like a specific number

#

that tells how many times it procced

orchid cove
#

just look at the orange waves

#

7procs

#

pzez

quartz depot
#

sad ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

#

:(*

quick talon
#

1 PB is 6 ticks

keen inlet
#

yeah orange wavelys

quartz depot
#

it does man

quick talon
#

vari doesnt move

#

๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฟ

quartz depot
#

i need to whine at my other rogue guy in the guild

#

when he gets more procs

orchid cove
#

it just shows on the dmg itself

quartz depot
#

it's fun though

bold dune
#

valknut can I pls see your sub 99s

quartz depot
#

i only got 2 though ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

steep obsidian
#

other people just use pb as an excuse when i beat them i only complain about pb when the boss is moving as they happen :\

quartz depot
#

ok nvm only 1 99

#

yesterday there were 2

grim wolf
#

feelsgoodman purchased a leggo its sephuz

#

๐Ÿ˜ƒ

#

/s

solemn gate
#

How much mastery do you guys have from gear?

#

I'm thinking of giving up a little bit of mastery for some extra crit

#

To help sustain energy with 4p t21

plain thistle
#

sim it

solemn gate
#

Yeah I'm doing that right now

#

Just wondered if anyone has a similar experience with energy

#

I can't seem to keep my buffs up as much as I would like

#

envenom and surge of toxins

steep obsidian
#

i dont struggle too much with only 20% crit just gotta think ahead a bit more

#

i actually want crit gear its not by choice though ๐Ÿ˜›

solemn gate
#

I guess If I used Eye of Command

#

if I had one ... ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

violet dagger
#

assa good in m+?

hexed rock
#

i'm at 175% mast/ 37% crit ( got a singed fang on top that i'm not counting for the crit)

#

967 eq

solemn gate
#

With the 2 sets I'm either 955 or 956 eq and my stats are

steep obsidian
#

come to think of it i do have a dogs trinket

#

so that crit buff is up a fair bit

solemn gate
#

32%crit 7.71% vers 182% mastery

solemn gate
#

or

hexed rock
#

i use the golganneth instead of my eoc tho atm

steep obsidian
#

im at like 218% mast rn

solemn gate
#

37.6% crit 8.8% vers and 161% mast

steep obsidian
#

i have stupid high mastery heavy rings but they have haste on them :\

#

still better then what i had otherwise though

grim wolf
#

just got insignia of ravenholdt, how does this ring stack up now?

strange python
#

this ring is ok

orchid cove
#

@steep obsidian but how much crit tho

tender adder
#

Gotta play outlaw with that ring it's bis

strange python
#

ring belt can be a good combi

steep obsidian
#

i have like 20% unbuffed

orchid cove
#

yeah thats shit lul

steep obsidian
#

like i said not thorugh choice

tender adder
#

Those are rookie numbers

#

Crit mastery on everything and you'll get there

steep obsidian
#

actually it might be a little bit more i got a cirt neck the other night

#

218% mastery is nice though

orchid cove
#

i seriously dont understand what makes some people sim better with boots and bracers

tender adder
#

Gearing is a process

orchid cove
#

over mantle

tender adder
#

Fight length

quick talon
#

good offpieces

steep obsidian
#

i dont but its coz i have shit crit

bold dune
#

having decent t20?

steep obsidian
#

that also

quick talon
#

Having high crit ?

#

lmao

orchid cove
#

even with gloves shoulders 940s and 11k crit its still worst for me lul

quick talon
#

940s ๐Ÿ˜„

#

Im not using T20 and boots/bracer simming higher

orchid cove
#

maybe my relics are too shit lol

steep obsidian
#

my t20 is all pretty poopy never got any mythic tier from tos, shit never dropped when i was doing it

rotund pier
#

Have the new racials been simmed yet?

grim wolf
#

o damn, shoulders/insignia ring sim the highest for me

keen inlet
#

for the hundred thousandth time
that pin will change when allied races are properly simmed

#

๐Ÿ‘

mystic tree
#

Hi guys, I asked in basic questions but it is perhaps more appropriate here. What is the main strength of assass over sub in raids? Also is there a 'stronger' build out of the two on ravenholdt

rotund pier
#

That was 2 days ago

keen inlet
#

And has it changed?

rotund pier
#

dont check pin me bro

keen inlet
#

Okay then.

#

@mystic tree Sin is more forgiving of errors/less reliant on proper positioning etc (dfa wonkiness) and shines in ST. Which one is better depends on fight and your gear

#

But TB is the easier one to play well

quick talon
#

omg

#

Im famous

#

ty Don

quick talon
#

exactly

#

racial sims are live

#

๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฟ

mystic tree
#

Sorry what is TB?

keen inlet
#

I don't see void elf there

rotund pier
#

^

keen inlet
#

Toxic Blade, Ghob

mystic tree
#

Roger roger

#

thanks!

#

is assass AoE weak then would you say?

quick talon
#

Ass ๐Ÿ‘

#

doesnt have AoE on demand

#

we're good in cleave situations tho

fathom zealot
#

Not with poison knives traits ๐Ÿ˜„

#

Weโ€™re beast mode in AoE

quick talon
#

(?)

fathom zealot
#

Iโ€™m saying weโ€™re not weak on AoE with poison knives traits

quick talon
#

We still are ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฟ

mystic tree
#

sub is just build spend on evisc making it fairly simple right?

quick talon
#

well thats simplified huh ?

keen inlet
#

In terms of racials they're still touching that, looking at github it's a page of changes, so again, I'm not gonna update the pin until it settles

#

@mystic tree You're forgetting DFA burst windows

quick talon
#

Could aswell say sin is build around spamming env

keen inlet
#

Which is the #1 cause of bad sub rogues

mystic tree
#

Right

#

Sub does seem a bit beyond what I want from rogue ha. Is outlaw viable? I know that question must get asked a lot but its representation sucks on any data

keen inlet
#

Outlaw is "viable" depending on what you mean by that

#

But speaking honestly, as an outlaw fan, it's way, way more work for similar or worse numbers to sin/sub

#

Outlaw is double/triple the APM

mystic tree
#

yeah i have noticed lol

hardy pewter
#

outlaw is more than viable, any spec in the game is more than viable unless you are cutting edge raider

vapid moth
#

Yeah that's a lot of button tapping

#

WA I'd a must with outlaw

#

Is

mystic tree
#

Thats the answer I knew i was going to get lol @hardy pewter

keen inlet
#

Outlaw is a lot of fast decisions based on RNG that can make or break your parse

mystic tree
#

I see

keen inlet
#

sin is largely passive rng (poison bomb)

#

and sub has rng too but it's not to the level of otl

mystic tree
#

Right

#

it seems sub requires a lot of timed coordination ?

lone junco
#

sin to win

keen inlet
#

yeah. Once you learn sub it's not "hard" but it's frustrating when things go badly

mystic tree
#

Hmm

keen inlet
#

your dfa gets parried or you accidentally port through a floor

#

etc

mystic tree
#

I really enjoy the assass rotation

#

its simple and feels impactful when you press a button

keen inlet
#

if you like it, go with it

quick talon
#

I dont like it

mystic tree
#

But I boosted a rogue to do m+ with my guildies, not stupidly high but 20~ sort of ballpark

quick talon
#

I love it love it love it

#

ohoho

strange python
#

quick question, is assassination good for m+ atm?

keen inlet
#

I'd go with sub over sin in M+

lone junco
#

DFA PARRY is my rage machine

keen inlet
#

personally.

#

Sub brings more to the table and better survivability imho

lone junco
#

sin is fine for me. I just give up trying tho.

keen inlet
#

no hate for sin btw

bold dune
#

better survivability?

strange python
#

i haven't played sin since 7.1 is your bomb still pretty much the only aoe you can do in dungeons?

keen inlet
#

It's not the "only" but it's the significant one.

quick talon
#

๐Ÿ“ฟ

topaz temple
#

Ye in this expansion I have switched specs so many times

lean hill
#

Forgive me outlaw for I have sinned. I'm one of you now

quick talon
#

AoE is decently sustained in higher keys

topaz temple
#

Blizzard keeps changing the go to spec all the time

quick talon
#

with ruptures going on and just spamming fok env

keen inlet
topaz temple
#

Kinda annoying

quick talon
#

He should atleast face athas while praying

mystic tree
#

Is that why subh is more reliable? no rng just hit dem buttons and you're guarenteed

lone junco
#

sin is really fine.

#

but the sub burst is unreal.

ivory leaf
#

I mean..... in a way its fair to the other specs

lean hill
#

Sub is reliable if you don't fuck up. Misclick in the opener and you may as well just die

lone junco
#

sub burst is a liability for some effects

topaz temple
#

For Dungeons as Sub tho I rely heavily on my umbral moonglaives for aoe and trash dmg

lone junco
#

I run with other cleave classes so fighting for aoe isnt my game anymore.

#

sub was neat, but it nullified their skillset

mystic tree
#

i am so torn lmao

#

i dont want to get sub leggos and then want to play assass

thin ingot
#

guys anyone paid a race change to become one of the new allied races?

keen inlet
#

You can do fine as sin in M+.

#

"fine"

lean hill
#

I've been doing m+ as sin lately. Not so bad. Curb stomping these tyrannical bosses

#

And on fort it's fun to have perma-full energy when you have a lot of bleeds up

mystic tree
#

Well I'm coming from a 970 fire mage here so i know how fun it is to do AoE

#

which is making it hard to know

bold dune
#

no one can decide which spec you should play lol

#

if you want to be the most competitive then play sub

#

otherwise it doesn't matter

quick talon
#

M+ this late into the xpac, meh

mystic tree
#

yeah

#

that too

#

sort of meh feelings about pushing keys

spice surge
#

Pushing is still pretty fun though

lone junco
#

Sin does very well

spice surge
#

We'll see whenever they do their m+ invitational aswell

#

That will be fun

strong sigil
#

Sin is very easy and fun for AoE. Also, the sustained is quite nice.

sleek cargo
#

Sin is awesome

bold dune
#

sin isn't bad in m+, but it clearly isn't as good as sub

#

one could easily to go raider.io and see what the top rogues are playing but saying shit like "sin is awesome" is fairly reductive

sleek cargo
#

Its about enjoying your spec

mystic tree
#

i prefer the rotation so i think at this point in the xpac best just to paly something I enjoy rather than playing what is strong

keen inlet
#

Two different discussions

bold dune
#

ok then play whatever you want lol

keen inlet
#
  1. Enjoying spec
  2. Being "competitive"
midnight latch
#

choose one

#

xD

keen inlet
#

really three, because there's a diff between "competitive" and "optimal"

mystic tree
#

lmao

#

id say sin is defs competitive tho right

#

just playing with high pugs

keen inlet
#

And i would argue in more situations sub leans optimal

#

sin is competitive, but again...relative term there

#

depends on affixes, key level, instance, blah blah blah

quick talon
#

I think there are a few sin players pushing high keys

#

but most are playing sub

daring minnow
#

Yeah sin ain't too bad in m+ aoe sustained but sub is just nasty on aoe m+ all around

shrewd oriole
#

goddamit

bold dune
#

sin is competitive relative to other specs in the game for the most part, but generally not compared to sub

lone junco
#

oh come on.

spice surge
#

Sub and sin have different roles in m+. Most of the time burst dps is more useful than the increased ST and 12.5%

midnight latch
#

@shrewd oriole that joke nobody will get in september

lone junco
#

this is the best we get

#

top bleed varith

shrewd oriole
#

I know naya I know

#

I didnt name myself that ah

quick talon
#

well

keen inlet
#

@shrewd oriole Kingdice imo

quick talon
#

72PB hits

#

is alot

keen inlet
#

Kindispatch?

shrewd oriole
#

No no

#

Kingaroth

quick talon
#

oh well, maybe it did hit some adds

keen inlet
#

I know

shrewd oriole
#

Kingarrote

keen inlet
#

I got the reference

shrewd oriole
#

oh

#

ah ok

keen inlet
#

was just trying to think of alternatives

mystic tree
#

Oh man the fact that you can mount the blades on your back is pretty n ice... lmao

midnight latch
#

lmao

shrewd oriole
#

Kindispatch

orchid cove
#

shoulder boots sims higher than shoulder bracers, tf

shrewd oriole
#

hmm

#

any boss with DI?

keen inlet
#

I really, really hope dispatch doesn't suck comparitively.

#

Because I missed it

shrewd oriole
#

same

#

I miss a proc

lone junco
#

where the fuck are all the rupture bombs.

mystic tree
#

Why didnt I just pick a hybrid with no choice for dps

midnight latch
#

Varimattress

#

hue hue hue

lone junco
#

Im swinging my dick solo into the bloody wind.

keen inlet
#

Ghob my dude

#

you're overthinking this

quick talon
#

xpac is over

#

just pick one

mystic tree
#

lmao ye

lone junco
#

@mystic tree 3 spec 6 builds. just get shoulders and you can play 4 of those

hardy pewter
#

just play each spec its the ONLY way to know what you like

keen inlet
#
  1. Flip a coin. Heads, sin. Tails, sub.
  2. If you're disappointed with the resulting flip, choose the opposite. The coin showed you the truth.
quick talon
#

by the time youve get some leggos im already farming azerite

hardy pewter
#

outlaw is a lot of fun as well

keen inlet
#

don wisdom don

mystic tree
#

im gnna do that more often Don lmao

daring minnow
#

Ghob, you sound like you want sin. play sin. the mog for blades on back when you have the red ghost blades looks so good. plus, it's netflix and chill in raids especially ST

keen inlet
#

tbh it's a really great way to get over indecisiveness

shrewd oriole
#

My math teacher taught me that one don

#

In like 3rd grade

#

ahah

keen inlet
#

yea

shrewd oriole
#

it's really useful tbh

keen inlet
#

It's similar to the I Ching

lone junco
#

@quick talon that is a rupture only graph. the pb is why he parsed in the top 50

keen inlet
#

my dad's done I Ching since I was little. Uses it as a meditative exercise to find out what he "really thinks" or "really feels" about something

lone junco
#

just looking for good exang logs.

bold dune
#

if you actually need to flip a coin in order to choose which spec you should play in WoW, I really pity you

keen inlet
#

Don't be that way, Nasty

#

I know it's in your name but

#

what a shitty thing to say to someone, c'mon

shrewd oriole
#

LUL

bold dune
#

I mean it

keen inlet
#

Eye roll.

lone junco
#

he didnt get banned from forums from being sweet

shrewd oriole
#

haHAA being toxic on discord haHAA

hardy pewter
#

the time he spent asking here could just run a couple hcs and try out a spec

quick talon
#

freenelbur

mystic tree
#

Its fine Im not hurt by words ๐Ÿ˜ข

shrewd oriole
#

you're on a class discord stop acting like your time is valuable

#

x

#

d

bold dune
#

I dindu nuffin

shrewd oriole
#

PFFT you plebian wasting my time with your pointless easy to answer questions!

#

I could've been sat here doing nothing scrolling through useless youtube videos in that time!

keen inlet
#

Take the elitism to Underbelly where it belongs imo

shrewd oriole
#

or pressing feint around dalaran!

bold dune
#

it's not even an elitist view

keen inlet
#

Nothing wrong with having a "difficult" time making a choice, Legion isn't exactly fun for gearing or AP-grinding altspecs

mystic tree
#

^

keen inlet
#

even if it's way easier now than it was at launch

quick talon
#

Wheres underbelly

#

also AP is farmed in 3 days to 75

mystic tree
#

ap isnt an issue

#

its leggo commitment

#

you know your first two are really easy to get so want to make it count

keen inlet
#

With the tokens it's easier to snag more now

quick talon
#

Well sin got quite a few leggo combs that are working

#

so lego wise sin is probably the easiest

#

๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฟ

tender stream
#

Guys Im at ilvl 939 with Mantle and Soul of the Shadowblade, and Im only simming at 1.26M. Im playing sub btw. What the fuck is wrong??

keen inlet
#

You're in sin channel, for one

quick talon
#

the channel

keen inlet
#

lol

bold dune
#

get good

shrewd oriole
#

sub channel is down there mate

#

in the bench

tender stream
#

my bad lads lol

shrewd oriole
#

LUL

cosmic nacelle
bold dune
#

that's for one of the easy fights of the tier

shrewd oriole
#

what fight even is that

bold dune
#

idk which one it is but it's not for argus

cosmic nacelle
#

mythic aggramar

bold dune
#

yeah one of the easy ones

shrewd oriole
#

anything apart from argus is quite easy

#

lets look at the ranks for argus

cosmic nacelle
#

"easy fights of the tier" second hardest fight sodaLUL

bold dune
#

where if you kite the embers you can spam shuriken storm on them and pop off

shrewd oriole
#

HMMMMMMMMMMMM

#

second hardest fight, still quite an easy fight

#

it's an easy tier lol

cosmic nacelle
#

longest execute fight in the game sinss on top ๐Ÿค”

bold dune
#

yeah aggramar is a joke

#

Longest execute? Are you on drugs?

shrewd oriole
#

????? longest execute

bold dune
#

do you know how long the execute phase is on m argus

shrewd oriole
#

have

cosmic nacelle
#

argus has the longest execute of the teir

shrewd oriole
#

u

keen inlet
#

๐Ÿ™„

shrewd oriole
#

heard

#

of

#

argus

#

assa is better for every fight AND for the hardest fight in the tier

bold dune
#

he got the ninja edit

shrewd oriole
#

arguably the only hard fight

#

therefore

#

assa is the best spec

#

it's as easy as that

#

lol

keen inlet
#

aight jesus take the ๐Ÿ† contest elsewhere

shrewd oriole
#

I prefer sub but I'm not delusional

cosmic nacelle
#

i ninja edited becuase i accidently wrote sub instead of sin sodaLUL

bold dune
#

sin vs sub on aggramar really just depends on the strat

strange python
#

This is rather funny to read

topaz axle
#

@gilded lark when is 8.0?

supple hearth
#

Sept

topaz axle
#

Gottem bois

keen inlet
#

@strange python "funny"

spice surge
#

I def wouldnt want to play sub on argus

#

Dfa with rage ๐Ÿค”

bold dune
#

yeah DfA is aids on several fights this tier

lone junco
#

i would have loved a mosh sub build. more 6m evisc, less dfa

spice surge
#

Lotr build?

warm parcel
#

lotr feels nice on argus

lone junco
#

I get oranges a sin and stomp our sub rog. I guess it is just easier.

#

and ill take it

#

zero shames

#

dfa parry made me rage in ToS anyway

#

my bonk alarm would go off,

#

bonk <parry>

shrewd oriole
#

dfa parry

#

during tos

#

puke

shrewd oriole
#

avatar / kingaroth style fights are also enraging

lone junco
#

yeah fixed landing was shit

#

two subs and we needed the same spot

#

nah

keen inlet
#

dfa ๐Ÿคข

topaz axle
#

Kingaroth is my favorite mythic fight of the tier tho

lone junco
#

I love kingo burst windows

#

great fight

shrewd oriole
#

Kingaroth is a superb fight

#

too easy

#

but nice nonetheless

#

a decent mid tier boss

#

I wish it was more chaotic tho

#

and if we actually had to deal with robot mechanics

bold dune
#

it's really about the appropriate difficulty of a mid tier boss imo

shrewd oriole
#

yeah yeah I agree

#

I just wish it had been a later fight

topaz axle
#

Too easy? My guild is a bunch of red light district frequenters who love taking balls to the face

#

Not too easy!

shrewd oriole
#

tbh

#

my friend's guild has like 358 wipes on KG M

#

so maybe I should say too easy

#

LOL

topaz axle
#

RIP

shrewd oriole
#

I was watching their stream since they raid different days

#

saw a cat blink into an orb and kill 12 people

#

OMEGALUL

topaz axle
#

Think I have 60ish, but reprog is fun

shrewd oriole
#

at like 2%

bold dune
#

wait 358 wipes on kin

shrewd oriole
#

yep

bold dune
#

I refuse to believe it

shrewd oriole
#

nope

bold dune
#

pics

topaz axle
#

@bold dune were you on US-A52 before?

lone junco
#

we finally killed coven, 33 pulls. (oy) anyway first pull aggrimar 36%

bold dune
#

I'm not Nastynas

shrewd oriole
#

this is the guild

topaz axle
#

Good

zinc zephyr
#

can i trust cruweight string on herodamage?

shrewd oriole
#

I'll ask for a screen of the wipe counter

#

but if you look

#

20 days on kingaroth

lone junco
#

they are a good starting point. then sim before you replace.

shrewd oriole
#

3 days a week

lone junco
#

relic compare on raidbots

topaz axle
#

Pugged with Nas once, called for healers to stop healing me cause I was beating him on Guarm

shrewd oriole
#

lol

bold dune
#

They're going to have more pulls on kin'garoth than we'll have on argus

shrewd oriole
#

probably

bold dune
#

which doesn't say anything good about our argus pull count ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

shrewd oriole
#

spend about the same time on KG as most guilds do on argus

#

if you're the guild I'm thinking of

#

you lost some mad ranks to argus

bold dune
#

I'm not in DNO if that's what you're thinking

shrewd oriole
#

bad comp or just unforunate

#

Oh no

#

I was looking at HC since their rogue is called nastynelbur xd

#

identify theft???

bold dune
#

I am in HC, I think we've lost like five US ranks, haven't really been paying attention

shrewd oriole
#

classical rouge

vernal adder
#

rouge

bold dune
#

I have had one other dude take my name before

shrewd oriole
#

ooh

#

I read that as in

#

I am in DNO

#

fuck me I'm tired

manic vigil
#

๐Ÿ’… ๐Ÿ‘„ ๐Ÿ’„ ๐Ÿ’‹

bold dune
#

anyway we had a 3.5% pull last night, hopefully he dies tonight

shrewd oriole
#

GL

bold dune
#

ty

shrewd oriole
#

it's an aids fight

lone junco
#

@keen inlet chili cook off at work tom. should i burn them out or go mild and win?

keen inlet
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Nice we're doing a Superb Owl (kidding, super bowl) potluck

shut willow
shadow token
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does anyone know if there is a way to scale my entire WA set to make it bigger, smaller?

keen inlet
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and idk I think burnin' is win for chili

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I'm the wrong dude to ask

quick talon
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youre 966

shut willow
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I'm debating farming EOC or trying to get two more MASS/MALCH relics to min max

quick talon
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farm titanforge

shut willow
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yeah that's hard

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cause i don't get it

shrewd oriole
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you can get a ring upgrade

shut willow
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like 1 ever 25 or 30 M+

shrewd oriole
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from m+

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easily

shut willow
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yeah, been running DHT for that

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no dice so far

shrewd oriole
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that's about it tho

keen inlet
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@lone junco I'm making buffalo chicken dip...easiest shit ever and people always hork it down and praise it. cream cheese frank's red hot chicken little bit of ranch & cheddar cheese

e z

shut willow
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i'm the highest single target dps in a group of friends gimping through mythic antorus and i'm trying to find a way to carry scrubs harder lol

topaz temple
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Hmm what are the Bis legos now - I see pwn3r using boots /bracers while on warcraftlogs I see some using Mantle/bracers.

shut willow
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most people are on mantle bracers

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that's what i use for M+

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boots bracers sims about 20k higher for me

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so i'm doing boots bracers

topaz temple
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I see

spice surge
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It depends on offpieces

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and titanforged t20

topaz temple
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What about relics? Coz I'm thinking about switching back to assassin and am trying to figure out all the stuff all over again

spice surge
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Pins

topaz temple
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How many MA relics should you go for?

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Noob at using discord too - what's that Pin thing?

topaz axle
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Which MA

lone junco
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@keen inlet Buffalo chicken dip sounds good. sounds like a dump it in recipe.

topaz temple
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Master Assassin

topaz axle
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1 or 3

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Never 2

keen inlet
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Basically is. So good.

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addictive

topaz axle
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MAlch is best to shoot for

lone junco
topaz temple
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Irregardless of Legendaries used? or is that for Mantle / Bracers?

topaz temple
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k let me check that out

topaz axle
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MAlch is best for bracers users

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Bracers is the Lego you should never take off

lone junco
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@topaz temple there is a button for shoulder bracer and bracer boot.

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never say never

topaz axle
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Don't mess with Daddy Zoldyck

lone junco
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unless you are talking about neverland and peter pan

topaz axle
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I prefer talking Wendy

urban storm
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I sim higher as shoulders boots for now

topaz axle
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Do you have no mastery? ๐Ÿค”

urban storm
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Only 4/11 tho, so I still basically just use shoulder bracer

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211%

spice surge
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Or he could have like 980 bracers

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and 940 boots

topaz axle
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Yeah true

spice surge
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Its not unreasonable either way

urban storm
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Nah all my off leggo pieces are 960

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Itโ€™s prob cuz I have 2MA

topaz axle
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I keep getting balanced blades t3 on my MAlchs :/

keen inlet
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rip you

spice surge
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Poor you getting almost the best one

livid hull
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rip

topaz axle
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RIP me

livid hull
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Im incapable of getting Master of Shadows trait

topaz axle
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F to pay respects

livid hull
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gone through 10 relics yet to see

keen inlet
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wow

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side admiral miie

quartz rune
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10 ๐Ÿ˜„

keen inlet
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there's a name I haven't seen in a long time

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and sin now

steep obsidian
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I got one mos that rolled master alch

livid hull
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I've been too busy doing m+ ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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