Method beat Argus at 956 avg
#assassination
lone junco
lost horizon
Better than the dude with the LFR 985 SSW
strange python
ive never seen one drop and i will bitch about it every day
frosty pagoda
see now that's aids
lost horizon
At least that 985 is from mythic base
strange python
method is also the best raiding guild in the world
lone junco
or the 980 EOC "is this good or nah"
lone junco
@strange python no shit. we are not.
frosty pagoda
LMAO
lone junco
we rely on ramps.
frosty pagoda
is this good or naw
keen inlet
wf should be 5, tf should be 10.
Done.
frosty pagoda
holy shit
strange python
any guild that can come in a day later than guilds on the other side of the world and still clear end content world first is the best to me
lone junco
wait.
unreal coyote
In no way do I wanna see anyone get 960s from normal
unique peak
shouldnt go higher than +15 for any tier of content, and mythic should be capped at its base.
lone junco
are the mythic raiders mad that LFR players can have similar outcomes 2months later with 10% of the effort?
unique peak
less grind, more reward
strange python
in my experience
lone junco
thats what this is
strange python
mythic raiders don't give a shit about anything other than mythic
unreal coyote
Would you be mad if a new hired made your salary for doing half the work
Don't answer
unique peak
except they have to because of TF lol
jovial kite
@lone junco they were first time at theboss
keen inlet
Disagree
unreal coyote
Because there's only 1 answer
strange python
I was happy with how it used to be, gear-wise I guess
I like the idea of randomly being rewarded
but not to the point that it makes the highest level of content obsolete
keen inlet
Why shouldn't wf be capped at 5 and TF at 10?
strange python
I think TF should be capped at next difficulty level personally
unique peak
i was okay with warforged in SoO and ToT when it was like +5-10 ilvls
strange python
wf at 5
lone junco
lfr tf is gross. but M+ is not. i really enjoy that.
frosty pagoda
m+ memeforge should always be a thing
keen inlet
I'd prefer M+ wf/tf to be capped by key level
lone junco
depends on the season
frosty pagoda
no because you wouldn't have purpose otherwise
lone junco
sure
keen inlet
(and update each time they update season)
strange python
I wonder how necessary raiding will even be next xpac.
cus currently rn 15s are a joke
lone junco
I love to see people at 2.2M with purely M+25
@strange python depending on your ilvl
speak for yourself
strange python
I am speaking for myself
lone junco
if you have mythic ilvl to carry you through.
strange python
unreal coyote
Raiding will have its own perks
lost horizon
Make the gear scale past 15, but only extending the tf cap
lone junco
:thinkario:
lost horizon
940 base from +15, 940 base from +20
zealous dew
boy warlock in raid is so fucking boring
lost horizon
But the +20 can TF higher, ez
lone junco
My ilvl is 951 and I can sim 200k higher than myself by shifting gear
thats a cool story
lost horizon
Same spec simming that much higher is fucked up
lone junco
have 1 toon not 10?
void pecan
I have three. All 960 +...
strange python
my main is 963
lone junco
tbh. idc arbout tf or wf. but if they ever stop flex raids. im out
unique peak
they wont ever get rid of flex raids
void pecan
Nah.
lone junco
was best addition to the game to date
lost horizon
Flex is huge
lone junco
uuge
void pecan
Would make way too many people angry
strange python
I want real 10 man content
lone junco
we did that in LK.
unique peak
10 man has never been serious content
lone junco
rosters are bullshit
unique peak
even in WoTlk
lost horizon
Id be interested in something like that
lone junco
mythic 10 is hard to balance.
unique peak
If you were competing you were playing 25h
lone junco
they make healers dance too much
lost horizon
Small raid tuned for small group
lone junco
the number of soaks and splits and movements dont scale down well.
unique peak
the current iteration of 20man mythic makes encounters much easier to balance from a competitive standpoint
lost horizon
Problem with flex is when the mechanics don't scale properly
Yeah
Adds on aggramar for smaller group is bad
lone junco
send in your healer and 2 dps. and still burst the adds
get fucked
we ran 15 and 1shot it
lone junco
our range was like "WE ARE SHOOTING IT"
anyway.
M+ WF/TF keeps us going
otherwise there is no content outside of raids
literally dead Th-monday
lost horizon
I usually just do it cause I enjoy it
iron crest
pretty sure that nightborne is the best assass race now
urban storm
Void elf should be decent right?
urban storm
Cuz it should proc when all@your other shit does during opener
lone junco
yeah. apparently it opens hard. with shoulder vanish bombs
and is >> 1%
will see logs rolling in soon
urban storm
At least while we have concordance
Cuz 5% for twelve seconds while everything is up is gonna end up being relevant
lavish mason
is there a list over what relics do in the crucible?
urban storm
Relics are in@the guide/pins
violet glen
Do you save your Vanish for when Vendetta comes off cd or do you use Vanish on cooldown?
keen inlet
sims say no tho ๐
lone junco
dont do it
guy at work eating lentil curry
for 3 days now.
apparently he mad a 3lb bag of beans
keen inlet
hah
iron crest
nightborne is dumb
keen inlet
lentils good 4 you
iron crest
my poison bombs
keen inlet
I get tired of the flavor tho
iron crest
are hitting 3-4% harder
strange python
964 now 
lone junco
jan 31
jovial kite
kingaroth would've been a good pull but raid sperged and everyone died like 20 sec before kill
fallow estuary
Why is everyone playin assa on Argus btw?
haven't played the encounter myself - still wiping on aggramar
jovial kite
its good
fallow estuary
Just wondering
jovial kite
execute
and you get much value from buffs
also vial is good
and if you get downtime from mechanics you wont get that punished
due to bleeds ticking
lone junco
just get concordance and fang during your NS bota. 32m rupture ez
jovial kite
asdasd
i sperged btw
was last in those bosses on december**
like for imonar its been 5 weeks
lunar coral
wait what changed that sot isn't important anymore (besides during kb)?
shadow token
noobe you said vial is good?
lone junco
i say a lot of things.
shadow token
or just for that fight
curious because on my rogue that's one of the only decent trinkets i have
i need to get carried in heroic this week and magically get a 4p
lone junco
the fang from dogs. and the argus trinket
shadow token
i think i have golg's as well but i don't have the upgrades, so it isn't up to date. i prob should have done at least argus every week
okay so spam upper
got it
tacit ferry
@lunar coral no more agonizing poison
shadow token
our core rogue has 960 eoc
jovial kite
rofl
havent looked at realm logs in a while
my rank 1 coven pull from december 3rd, 2 months ago, i still realm 1
and world 99
i havent been to the boss for 2 months
prime void
I have 2 960s, 2 950s and a 945 socket. Kek
lavish frost
are there racial sims for sin ๐ ?
jovial kite
stormreaver
lavish frost
nvm just read the pin
hoary patrol
I guess im okay with my 960 eye of command with socket ๐
shadow token
kind of interesting to step away from rogue for a few months and come back
lone junco
how do you see realm parses
@shadow token I looked at mage for a few days.
didnt work out
pine walrus
Just dropped The Empty Crown as my second leg, any good or shit?
shadow token
@lone junco yea i have been playing WW and it's just so strong. i do ridiculous dmg and got some real nice luck on some tier and TF. It just worked out. I plan on going back to rogue for BFA and starting to work on gearing my rogue again. Unfortunately, I didn't get my bis leggo (helm) on my monk until my LAST legendary which was a few days ago. Now I can focus some efforts back into another character.
but it made sense for our guild since we had 14 vanq tokens with my rogue and only 2 prot tokens. for the entire tier, we have only seen 3 vanq tokens drop across all of our weeks in antorus, so i think i made a good decision for this small window
keen inlet
@pine walrus It's good.
pine walrus
Aiit, got the head & ravenholdt ring.. i pray for those bracers though, they seem so strong.
shadow token
i wonder if it will be hard to pug heroic groups at like 952 equipped on my rogue.. i assume shouldn't be an issue if with mythic achievs
lone junco
i do heroic at 951
shadow token
also should i just play sub until i get my sin up to 75
lone junco
75 is nice tho.
shadow token
yea i don't have t21 though, so i'm 952 with t20
lone junco
hat leg cloak chest
shadow token
that's my current gear
just in sub
but i think i actually have a better setup if i use shoulder bracer for sin
i haven't done any antorus since week 2 lol
or even played my rogue
lone junco
civic palm
ohgodno
civic palm
Wellduh
lone junco
call that the bracer kick
civic palm
Gotta preload the RNG.
lone lichen
How much haste is it worth having for poison?
tranquil birch
0
lone lichen
Good
fast nacelle
@lone junco who s that kick D:
lone lichen
and Crit? What would you recommend?
civic palm
I recommend reading the guide and visiting our pins.
But in general, mastery and crit are good stats.
lone lichen
But some other guides say that vers is higher than crit, thats why i ask you guys ^^
civic palm
Don't read the other guides.
shrewd notch
vers and crit swap for me all the time
jovial kite
im actually positive that exsang is the superior spec
shrewd notch
the sim comes out different often
civic palm
uhhuh
spice surge
jovial kite
if i had same ilvl as poison i would sim 120k more
civic palm
Check the pins for the simming website and run your gear through the stat weights sim and see for yourself.
lone junco
@fast nacelle
jovial kite
im now 30k more with 5 ilvl less
lone junco
that 2p4p lighting it up
fast nacelle
ok OK HOLD ON
to be fair 3 of the fights
i didnt have my shit together and fatfingered openers!
jovial kite
only thing holding my dps back now is low t20
jovial kite
im running 2x 930 but still im simming 30k more than poison
fast nacelle
dat infightpot and shadowstep cause i wasnt at boss aswell... dont judge me
jovial kite
you dont need big t20
fast nacelle
i died in ts
jovial kite
but its definitely a factor
jovial kite
no?
lone junco
@fast nacelle
civic palm
2ez
jovial kite
exsang is better :3
tranquil birch
ooook
lone junco
I yelled.
fast nacelle
when i played exsa
lone junco
fuuuuuuu
fast nacelle
especially since pulls i troll in ts or get trolled
tranquil birch
At some point you just have to realize bliz have given up on bleed for this xpac
fast nacelle
so i dont pay attention anyway
jovial kite
no?
zealous dew
can't play anymore shitlock in raid
jovial kite
its better than ever
zealous dew
so fucking boring
fast nacelle
i need to do compilation of my best openers...
jovial kite
you just parrot things that arent normal to you
fast nacelle
like starting muti from stealth.. or not stealthing at all
jovial kite
๐คท๐ฟ
fast nacelle
or starting with shuriken storm ๐ค
tranquil birch
I mean our entire tier 21 set is poison based.
jovial kite
its not ?
civic palm
It's not.
jovial kite
you gain energy in bleed just as in poison
civic palm
It's even better for EX considering Crit is so good for EX.
tranquil birch
the extra energy doesn't do nearly as much for you in bleed though
jovial kite
yeah straight up
jovial kite
its more dp dmg though
civic palm
Ya
fallow estuary
World rank 6 Coven - Green log affli does more DPS.. but hey atleast they suck @merry falcongletarget ๐คท
civic palm
Good news is that at least EX looks good in BfA.
civic palm
and I will continue to call it EX and not Bleed.
jovial kite
dunno what news you watch ๐คท๐ฟ
tranquil birch
it looks good in bfa
civic palm
Looks better supported, in BfA.
tranquil birch
hold on let me check warcraft logs to see how good it is now
oh yeah it's still not
civic palm
Very good.
jovial kite
warcraftlogs
civic palm
are you high?
jovial kite
you got 10 parses for every 1000 parses
tranquil birch
and why do you think that is...
civic palm
Easier to not play EX.
tranquil birch
people just don't know what the better build is?
civic palm
That's it.
tranquil birch
oh whatever
jovial kite
because nobody wants to gear towards it because poison is way esasier to gear towards
same thing as in tomb
there is 0 all in builds atm
not that im aware of
tranquil birch
And that makes it better
jovial kite
there are 1000 all in poison builds
tranquil birch
like if gearing for exang isn't reasonable
thatn it's not as good unless you're extremely lucky
civic palm
Just because something is easier that doesn't make another option unreaonable.
jovial kite
what ?
civic palm
unreasonable^
soft island
Wtb reforging back daddy blizzurd. Thanks.
civic palm
and it's in every fucking guide there ever was.
Fuck reforging, design your game better, stop whining.
tranquil birch
this conversation hurts me
civic palm
Too bad.
tranquil birch
ability to gear well with current content is so a factor in the which build is better
like
ofc
distant moon
sup, nightborne 1% magical dmg = 1% more nature dmg???
civic palm
Considering M+ is a thing, gearing has been flexible more than ever.
distant moon
= poison dmg?
jovial kite
not all nature dmg is poison dmg
tranquil birch
so you're resigning yourself to being hopelessly undergeared for what is likely going to be most of the tier
jovial kite
all poison dmg is nature dmg
tranquil birch
it's literally putting yourself in a wheelchair
jovial kite
you can farm
just like you would poison
you wouldnt use exsang until you get 3 ma
which isnt an impossible task
tranquil birch
No that's reasonable
civic palm
Yeah I don't get this thing where EX is gimping yourself, the numbers are so similar it doesn't matter.
dense quest
how much verse do you run
tranquil birch
it's the t20 that's really the problem here
jovial kite
its not
๐คท๐ฟ
like i said
i sim 30k more with 5 ilvl less
970 in poison 965 in bleed
jovial kite
2.142 poison 2.172 in bleed
inner socket
@jovial kite havent you cleared 11/11 M?
fast nacelle
just made all sims for fun to see how bleedspec competes:
Mantle + Bracer 4p MP+NS+Vigor+TB: 2.316M
Bracer + Insig 2p4p EP+Sub+Vigor+TB: 2.348M
Bracer + Boots 2p4p Mp+NS+Vigor+TB: 2.314M
Bracer + Boots 2p4p EP+Sub+Vigor+Exsa: 2.321M
Bracer+Insignia 2p4p EP+Sub+Anticipation+TB 2.342M
civic palm
Sub 1%, better roll a better race.
inner socket
so if your dps were to drop its not like it truly matters at this point
civic palm
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
inner socket
i was saying if, for all the doubters
inner socket
i know bleed is viable, ive seen noobes logs
jovial kite
i said i would switch to exsang to farm
and it turns out its better for me at 5 ilvls lower
with same ilvl the difference would be 120k
and
i dont have optimal relics for bleed
i got 3x ma 3x malch
pure sparrow
Leggo farm is so frustrating
lean hill
So.... "best spec" is pretty much just whatever you're geared in the most optimized way? What's the argument then
civic palm
The arguement is that he is somehow gimping himself.
When it's literally the opposite.
tranquil birch
That's exactly what I'm saying
jovial kite
for lower ilvl it performs higher
with same ilvl + bis relics
the difference is bigger
jovial kite
945 t20 2x is obtainable
civic palm
What are good EX relics? BB/RupDmg?
civic palm
Mass right right
jovial kite
3x both
frosty pagoda
like he said you need 3 for bleed
lean hill
Ilvl doesn't mean anything really these days, unless all 4 stats have the same weights
frosty pagoda
I have 945 gloves but that's it lmao
lean hill
Damn son you're 100k up on my poison sin lol
frosty pagoda
would need to farm another 945 piece to make it work I suppose and the relics I would need 1 more I have 2 sitting in my bags
dire spoke
@Tyrarolls#1810 what slots are your t20 pieces?
civic palm
gimme dat BB hotness
jovial kite
i might need to switch gear because im at 46% crit now and crit value lowers with bb relics
fast nacelle
@dire spoke shoulder + chest 950
lean hill
I should mess around with bleed, I usually get crit heavy everything
2/4 pretty essential right?
lean hill
I'll have to mess around with Sims later. At least have 945 t20 gloves but the rest isn't so great
jovial kite
how can i clip relic sims to another sim
tranquil birch
relic compare tool
lone junco
@jovial kite i think people miss the point that it is still 3 vendetta with DP relics and crit mastery just bracer boot crit.
lone junco
you can clip relics from the profile.
lone junco
run a relic sim, then scrub out the high profile
jovial kite
๐คท๐ฟ
lean hill
I got dc'd 5 seconds before I finished a lower Kara last week, thought I missed the chest but had a nice 955 ma/malch in the mail
lone junco
its literally not vers. just crit=mastery tbh
lean hill
Sadly light speed crucible but I'll take it
lone junco
Considering M+ is a thing, gearing has been flexible more than ever.
when you go to the html. profile. copy the block and remove all the apl shit.
then you can paste that in a talent compare block or w/e
lean hill
Still need some luck though. I'm sure a lot of us have had those droughts of weeks without anything half decent dropping
onyx rock
Quick Question... when i spec into subterfuge and dont use shoulders... than vanisch is a useless dps cd ?
onyx rock
ahhhh
onyx rock
i just lootet mythic shoulders so i sim best now witch bracers/boots + subterfuge
onyx rock
i have mythic 2p t20 too but my off pieces (975 crit/mastery) just outsim it
frank spindle
all there any good weak auras for bleed times/cooldowns?
civic palm
Yeah check Notters or mine or... the many others.
jovial kite
nice
wise frigate
My amazing names
lean hill
So no one is on your server?
wise frigate
Pretty much.
civic palm
Those are the worst fucking names ever.
wise frigate
There's Lethal, and then everyone else.
Fuck you, they're mostly to ensure my Horde realm is on the top over my Alliance one tbh.
civic palm
haha
lone junco
Noobe
Noobemage
Noobepriest
Nooberog
Noobehunter
Redroket
lean hill
I feel like with so many people using those fucked up characters we may be surprised on how many simple names might be available still
tough compass
does anyone know what code master alchemist is? like Vendetta cdr is 330
lone junco
i used a รฏ before. and man it was a nightmare
unique peak
using alt codes in your name ๐
lean hill
I like short and simple names. Transferred my DK, Coldhands was taken so I had to change it, Whomp was available lol
civic palm
Oh hey I have a 10key pad for the first time in years.
alt codes wooooo โข โก
ยฎ ?
wooo
civic palm
Lemme go get my other Ducky > _> and rejoin the handicapped club.
lone junco
Im not a 
crusader. I just like the 45sec peaks, and less dependence on pbomb.
civic palm
Yeah
jovial kite
i mean
jovial kite
i cant take sims from another sim an add it to another
lone junco
oh that.
jovial kite
the template i mean
lone junco
post.
jovial kite
dm'ed
lone junco
fyi
you can always take the profile output
and gut it for raidbot
trim it down.
remove the apl shit. and the .jsn line
and viola you have a raidbot relic compare or gear compare import
(that was for all the lurkers)
jovial kite
yeah i usually just do this in simulationcraft with ids inserted manually 1 by 1
lone junco
yeah. I did that last year
praise be to mother fucking raidbot
AND
this way. you dont even need to know the relic. just google up a relic list and find one with vend. and swap that bitch in.
back to my handicap ramp design
this is is in poor shape
red prawn
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
scenic saffron
does it make sense to use vanish when you get a poison bomb proc ?
lone junco
not really. you want vanish during vendett with tb and kb if you can.
and enough e to push out 3env.
if you can do all those things, and still flex around a bomb, then ok
(no)
plucky merlin
all depends on fight length assuming youre talking about raiding.
jovial kite
lone junco
I do in M+.
jovial kite
would be with same ilvl and bis relics
jovial kite
it turns out, or so it seems
plucky merlin
Theres a few things to juggle as far as spending vanish
jovial kite
that after a certain crit value bb becomes irrelevant
and dp becomes bis
because bb is basically just crit
lone junco
ofc.
plucky merlin
fight length (max casts on vend/vanish) high dmg phases, prior phases etc
plucky merlin
heres one parse i fucked up, but ill explain my thinking as far as vanish usage: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jVB2a4CJHRrXTnxF#fight=12&type=auras&source=20
jovial kite
yeah basically
lone junco
limit trends
you didnt push vers over mastery did you?>
like rupture relics?
"god no"
jovial kite
no just simmed current relics with shocklight etc
actually
rupture sims probably higher
than dp
hold on
lemme change
plucky merlin
@scenic saffron I was holding vanish for 3rd vend, but realized that add phase was too close so held it, if I was more familiar with fight length I'd have been better to suboptimally vanished on CD, and wouldve got an extra cast in for the fight
but at the 2nd vend it was correct to hold for adds
But again if i knew exactly p3 time to kill vanish on 3rd vend into late add phase vanish wouldve managed to get me an execute vanish
where i vanished at 40% vend hoping for p3 to last over 2m
lone junco
juggling vanish absolutely advised in final ttd <2
when you do it is up to your brain/luck/final2 vendetta etc.
jovial kite
hmm
seems rupture is lower than dp
that or im fucking tired
its 1 am
gotta do more research into this tomorrow
jovial kite
i was tired
its 2k more
so basically ma > crit dmg = dp
after a certain crit %
lone junco
44+fang?
jovial kite
yeah
lone junco
im 41. doubt I can get much higher.
I could if I drop 2p20
but that is worth so much
jovial kite
i think 44% might be too much even
because 16% from bb traits
im gonna sim the exact breakpoint
but thats a story for tomorrow
lone junco
before you swap out the Malch. take a stroll through the EP TB lines
lone junco
is that 0bb relic
lone junco
no bombs but solid runs tbh.
jovial kite
the softcap was 52ish (iirc)
onyx falcon
o god, i look into here and its all bleed
lone junco
yaaas
jovial kite
but with tomb it was 52 + 8 from natural bb
lone junco
lone junco
zzz
jovial kite
oh wait
i didnt run shocklights with tomb exsang
nor was fang a thing
probably for the best to run crit plots with modified crit statsticks to find the exact softcap
meh
should i sleep
or sim myself
lone junco
give me a profile. ill run the plots later
jovial kite
sec
ill make one with static trinkets and 3x ma 3x dp relics
so no crit procs or variables
just flat stats
lone junco
Im interested in the 1rupture before the exang rupture btw.
will need help with apl
=1 rupture vendetta mut mut vanish rupture. exang.
double my bota blocks in bracer.
lone junco
we talking +/- 5k stat with steps?
its not like you can magically come up with 5k more.
2k is 1 ring.
jovial kite
if you want to know a breakpoint
it should be closer to 200 steps
200 per step
as in like 0.2% crit value per step
or something like that
lone junco
i did one like that and the output can be very jumpy.
jovial kite
yeah but you can see when the trend
lone junco
shit.
jovial kite
when the value goes low
calm grail
Heroic coven real end boss of HC Antorus.
lone junco
find someone to do apl fishing.
and Ill sim all the things
I did testing with 75% bota and it made me laugh.
basically bota or bust, else env.
repeat
jovial kite
but if you do a crit softcap it should be atleast 10k+ from current value with 200+ value per step
lone junco
๐
jovial kite
10k assuming you have atleast 40% crit or somesuch
actually might not even be enough
wise frigate
@strange python If you're still around, that sounds like a rogue specific bug. Not having the option for other weapons. Boosted my monk, she has the quest available to get the other weapons.
strange python
mhm
someone else who boosted had the same problem
and it sucks :((
So far only assassination rogues have reported this problem to me as well
it means they are deleting outlaw and sub from the game soon
I, for one, welcome our sin rogue overlords
surreal wren
Thank god, the lesser specs can begone
strange python
B E G O N E
surreal wren
cerulean aspen
https://i.gyazo.com/f4fc0cd6da4fc33dd3d326bc3f86c803.png got this yesterday. rip
zealous dew
give
lone junco
for heroic Aggrimar do you kill the adds 1 at a time, or actually let them hit the boss like on fatboss?
seems weird
civic palm
Yankem in 1 at a time.
lavish frost
shoulders look very fked up on nightborne :/
fast depot
they explode for the same, and on heroic we let them all explode since if you kill them they just reform
lone junco
hunter frost x3
civic palm
roots are good as they can be reapplied
fast depot
banish, traps, blind and druid roots are what we use the most
lone junco
with 2 blinds and other shit on cd
repentance work in combat?
is that still a thing
strange python
got noggenfogger boi
so it's really fucked I think
not really much else I can do but wait 5 hours for mission completion
woven bane
yo is there any known issue bout the poison bomb? i had 0 proccs today on garothi and that never happend before the rest of the raid also procced horrible
civic palm
Random.
civic palm
12.5% not weighted
livid crescent
Any diea when void elf will be in Simc/theory
lone junco
0 on a 2min fight is pretty bad
calm grail
Assign CCs to where they spawn and have them gripped in as needed.
civic palm
IMO...
calm grail
If CCs are broken prioritize them
civic palm
make sure to get not prioritize adds that are near the big adds.
Kill 1 side add first so whoever is getting them in can do so without any worries.
lone junco
was going to pick the far side for first grip and have boss tanked there
civic palm
Center is fine so long the CC lands.
grab the first one near bridge then go around the side you killed the first big add on.
keep the far adds for last as the boss cleave will murder your CCers.
lone junco
take the bigs to the gaps left by the littles?
civic palm
Bigs should die before you get like, 2 littles in.
shrewd oriole
has anyone tried crackelf rogue?
civic palm
The DMG on the raid during that phase is dramatic.
shrewd oriole
how are the animations?
lone junco
same as belf i hear
strange python
bad
civic palm
Yeah nothing different there IIRC.
lone junco
5h/20 then?
strange python
they just hunch all the time
they don't even flip or spin
they look like they have a problem with their plates
so never jump
civic palm
The adds also spawn at psuedo-random locations.
civic palm
Correct.
Markers are nice for guidance but they will almost never spawn where you want them to.
civic palm
They fucking run in straight lines the huntards better not miss.
strange python
do the nightborne still have to disguise themselves in inner suramar
lone junco
lust open or at the bigs?
civic palm
Lust second intermission.
lone junco
that is the second set of adds
civic palm
You should be able to interrupt the first combo by triggering the first intermission @ 80%
lone junco
would murder the 2 bigs and then roll into execute
weve been lusting coven on the open, because everyone is alive lol. prob fine i would guess
dps is the least of my concerns there
civic palm
IIRC we lust during Healer/DoT adds.
We also split the melee and ranged between the "front" and "back" of the room.
With lust there if people are fucking paying attention you can kill both adds inside the first cast.
civic palm
Yeah in Heroic it's all about making sure the idiots are not wiping you, that's all.
lone junco
our coven is pretty rough
plucky merlin
If i wanted to be safest in a pug Id probably assign CC's for walking adds, call on vcom the next add spawn type/timers, blust on healing adds while assigning 2 healing adds to be killed first, then the next 2 before the 2nd cast
As long as things are called its quite hard to ppl to die if youre yelling to spread for the 10s leading to the lightning add spawns
/preposition
median shadow
Hello ! got 965 shoulders token, and Raidbots tells me i should go for t21 4p with boots and bracers... does that sound viable to you ? I only see this leg combination with t20 2P - t21 4p...
plucky merlin
yes with forged offpieces 4p boots+bracers is viable
median shadow
ok thanks ๐
slim estuary
To make the transition from sub to sin easier is there any way to make the two comparable?
hexed wave
hey, i wonder if i have 4pt out of 5cpt and garrote, Kp are on cd what should i do mutilate or just evneom on 4pt?
slim estuary
mut is bs, rup is nb, env is evis, vendetta is SOD?
lost horizon
Probably not a good idea to rely on those associations
slim estuary
well, bs is main cp gen, nb is the long dot in sub, evis is the spender, SOD is the keep on cd damage buff
tender adder
lost horizon
It's important to know specifically what they do to get the most out of them
slim estuary
I thought if i could associate most of the spells together than it wouldn't be too hard to grasp cause i could just make alterations to my current playstyle
lost horizon
Like keeping envenom/SoT during KB
tight meteor
is it okay to ask someone to look at my logs on this server lol
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rAg2MvCkBNaYfJGX#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=6 not sure if im doing anything wrong
cant seem to push to orange parse
nocturne gate
quick question: is it normal that i sim with shoulder+bracer lower then bracer+boots ?
nocturne gate
i have atm 961 panth trinket +fanged tooth.. in my sim i dont use other panth trinkets
its not a great diffrence its 13k
but i wonder
fast depot
Wish SoT would pandemic, hope it does in BFA
naive cypress
Crit favors boots, while mastery favors bracers?
hexed wave
again at 4cp/5 should I mutilate or just envneom, when garrote and Kb on cd
gilded lark
naive cypress
Env
hexed wave
thanks
naive cypress
Never Muti when at 4/5 cp
cerulean aspen
envenom
calm grail
Does the void elf non cast Interrupt mean like... Non hearthstone interruptions from getting autoed?
slim estuary
so as sin its ok to spend at 3 cp? or only 4+
plain thistle
4+
median shadow
@hexed wave It's in the guide btw
supple hearth
balmy condor
pins? someone say pins?
muted badger
someone should photoshop the pin logo to pinhead from hellraiser
and use that as the motto
frosty pagoda
that is not a bad idea
undone lodge
good morning ๐บ
gaunt moat
yes
I don't think it's right to say that's the best build anymore, since Sin is good with a wide variety of gear setups
undone lodge
@gaunt moat ahhhhh ok ok thanks ๐
haughty harness
Variety is good for your health nod
lone junco
Crit is the shit.
undone lodge
this is my current stats, which stat should i gain more?
tame slate
At first glance, probably more Crit, less Haste if possible
I've been taking a break so I might be wrong
nocturne gate
at how many sec i should refege the bleeds ? (without subterfuge)
plain thistle
refresh*?
austere tendon
you mean for pandemic?
plain thistle
for a 5 cp rupture = 7.2s , for garrote = 5.4s
austere tendon
depends on CP of your refresh
plain thistle
hopefully thats was his question
gilded lark
refugee bleeds
tame slate
New term for non-NS or Subterfuge bleeds
gilded lark
all pandemic timers are 30%
nocturne gate
ah ok
fast depot
and iirc everything pandemics except SoT
quick talon
@gaunt moat I had the easiert STS run in my life
gaunt moat
what did you have
quick talon
I had this book that will use the first attack that costs 2 or more twice
gaunt moat
oh, yeah. necronomicon is the most broken thing in the game
quick talon
Then i had the relic that adds 1 vul. to each enemey at the start of the fight
and i was running a whirlwind build
so evertime i used whirlwind it was used twice by default
I had like 3 WW+ in my deck
gaunt moat
hah
right now i have a run with silent, got 2x cloak and dagger+
and ninja star
so i get stragth pretty quickly
but it's not gonna carry me the whole game. so i need to get some good stuff fast :X
quick talon
Ahh GL with that. Usually when i get the good things first it ends up pretty bad for me
undone lodge
@tame slate ah okay, thanks ๐บ
chrome umbra
has anyone noticed that vanish envenoms feel like theyre not applying nightstalker to envenoms
feels like i hit really weak vanish envenoms now
when youre a void elf
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shut willow
So, I'm playing with RL/long time in game friends, we are 2/11M, and I am one of 3 really good dps we have, the rest are kinda getting carried - i'm looking for what I should be farming for min/max purposes to try to jump up my dps some more so we can get ATHC
- Relics are 3MALCH/1MASS/otherjunk traits -- so two more MALCH/MASS relics sims as ~160k dps increase, but chances of getting better relics is pretty low
- most of the rest of my gear is pretty well itemized and it's ALL 940+
- other thoughts are farm an EOC from upper kara
- sacrifice several small children to RNGesus for an aman'thuls anyone else got any ideas?
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/illidan/pwner
ashen horizon
@chrome umbra i feel the same, my envenom now is only hittin for like 4-5, not the 7 i used to be getting
chrome umbra
yeah thats exactly what im missing on, i used to hit like 7-7.2 on openers
now its like... 5.4 >__>
velvet nebula
fallow canopy
regardless i still salty ๐
primal tangle
In M+?
fallow canopy
ye.
celest mirage
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
undone lodge
you guys know where can i get Crucible weight strings? or how to made them?
gilded lark
undone lodge
heheheheh didnt see that coming, thanks broadsides
drowsy island
so what u guys think void elf> human or na
not talkin bout dps gain they prob the same i mean like leather mogs need more slim bodies ๐ฎ
gilded lark
strange python
so i keep fucking up a smidge. am i suppose to be lining stuff up or just let it come off cd
aka press shit on cd or line up
fallow canopy
WAIT so i've been doing 23's/24s all this time using Cloak for aoe and someone just told me bracers are better. Anyone tested this in anything higher than a 22? i can see how it makes sense but nightstalker FoK w/ cloak hits like a truck
gilded lark
cloak is not good for sin
you pmuch just use it on the first pull, then swap to bracer for the rest of the dungeon
unless you're pausing between packs to get it to max stacks lol
fallow canopy
did a 23 nelths with cloak on warlock was #1 with 2.33 i was second over an ele with 2.21 the ele is like 4500M+
cloak on,
def don't get max stacks i can see how bracers would be much better. since it buffs all my top damages >.<
fast depot
still does good damage if you don't let it stack -- it makes your FoK do 1050% more damage over the course of a mintue whether you use it with all 30 stacks at once or one stack at a time -- with that said, I still use bracers ;p
gaunt moat
@quick talon welp. it took forever. but it did work XD
i had a deck that just kep increasing the str from shivs + i could get 30+ armor every turn.
killed the awakned without taking any damage.
iron pelican
urban storm
shoulders/x (mostly bracers id imagine)
stone sandal
Playing rogue since day 1
Still missing shoulders in 2k18
steep obsidian
impossible
steep obsidian
unless you been like afking for 15 months
gilded lark
you don't play enough then lol
stone sandal
took a 2 month break, thats all
steep obsidian
i had every single rogue lego before tos came out and I didn't farm or do content relgiously like some
i was a bit lucky but still
gilded lark
vyrox the hardcore lfr raider
steep obsidian
targeting shoulders isn't that bad now
just gotta get all the main ones for your spec so at worst its like 9th?
absolute worst
nah he not lfr raider lfr raider get their 2 bis as the first 2
gilded lark
961 and didn't even clear antorus until 4 weeks in
So yea, legos aren't the issue there, it's lack of content
esp with the essence system'
2 legos/week is ez
stone sandal
Yea, just started antorus in the 3rd week, after my 2 month break
2 legos/week?
lol
Without essence farming i was like 1 lego in 1.5 month ~
gilded lark
steep obsidian
to farm lego
gilded lark
I get one a week and i don't even do old raids half the time
then the essence gives me another
steep obsidian
you gotta do every raid on ever difficulty, every base mythic, every cache
then ya can do invasions
if you dont get 1 a week doing that then something is wrong
gilded lark
you don't even need to do that to get 1/week
steep obsidian
yeh i know if you were unlcuk as fuck
gilded lark
ye
steep obsidian
i get like 1 every 2 weeks from just raiding
gilded lark
essentially if you've been playing one main the entire expack
there is no reason to not have every legendary
i'm up to like 68 of the fucking things
steep obsidian
my shaman has 2 legos at 101
steep obsidian
i have 2 paladin ones that im thinking of boosting a ret to use