Just save all your finishers for <30% obviously
#assassination
vapid moth
For real anyone who focuses on logs on fights with lots of Ads is not very bright
vapid moth
I did the sublety mage tower last night finally
shut willow
i need to try to do that one
i have sin
i know the fight for sub because i did arms warrior one
but i am bad at sub
latent grove
Multidotting on dogs worth it or not?
shut willow
and by "bad" i mean blue parses
fathom elm
For bleed build is 2 x MA relics ok with boots / bracers?
shut willow
@latent grove - I multidot the guns on garothi, when you can do it without moving it's almost always a dps gain
vapid moth
Sin is easy though
shut willow
@fathom elm you can do it with 2, i did at the beginning of antorus, but 3 is perfection
gritty yoke
adds on high command do not live long enough to rupture them
shut willow
in my group they live for like 25-30 seconds
we also haven't gotten the boss down, only a 7% wipe
gritty yoke
yeah not even close for us, 3 974 owls and 2 ele shamansh going ham
latent grove
But multi dotting on garothi doesn't really... help you out. The guns respawn at full health
gritty yoke
they just vanish
shut willow
but you are dpsing two targets
so YOUR dps goes up for the logs
it's just parse cheese
i multidot dogs when we have them together at the beginning
i used to multi-dot on coven when i was exang spec
rough palm
you should still multidot when not exang
shut willow
I haven't tried it as poison build on coven
strange python
meters holy shit
shut willow
might try that
latent grove
I don't care about cheesing parses lol I want to increase my dps effectively
shut willow
my meater does rank 1 sexual healing parrses
strange python
parses and dps are correlated my friend
in fact
one could say they're very related
shut willow
this keyboard sucks - repeats letters occasionaly
gritty yoke
also imonar is fucking asscancer when you raid is filled with wheelchairs, having to wait up to like 8 seconds before being able to interrupt...
shut willow
lol
we wait like 15 seocnds usually
we have wheelchairs dragging carries in backpacks
lol
latent grove
That's not the point, if I multidot the guns it's effectively going to lose me some amount of dps on the other gun, and anything I put into the 2nd gun is going to be gone. So yes my dps is higher, but I haven't helped kill the boss faster
gritty yoke
its making me really fucking mad, sitting on blue logs cuz people cant fucking move over the bridge
latent grove
No, but if I want to get better...?
strange python
then work on single target in general
latent grove
I brought up dogs in the first place... and asked if multi dotting them was worth it
dense quest
or you have no burst coming and your step is up and sprint is up
not worth to do it if you have your burst window up
vapid moth
@latent grove you don’t want to kill the boss as fast as possible though
shut willow
I don't think running across the room to multidot is worth it
if they are next to each other at the beginng, yes
vapid moth
You want him dead after you’ve just gone through a vanish vendetta envenom
latent grove
Other question... 4p t21 but not 2p t20 should I use shoulders wrists or boots wrists
dense quest
thats up to you sim it to see which setup is better
two different playstyle
the easy choice is the one that sim more (more damage to the boss)
shut willow
@latent grove the 2p smooths out the energy cost of the garrote and makes it easier to get multi dot because of CD reduction
strange python
generally. mantle bracers are better with straight 4 piece t21.
shut willow
it's not required
i was running boots/bracers 2p20 4p21 and i dropped the old pieces because it sims higher to shoulders and bracers with 4p21 now
dense quest
I like shoulder playstyle living for that vanish window
fathom elm
@shut willow ah ok thanks mate , ofc I only just upgraded a relic and lost my 3rd MA relic lol
shut willow
yeah, i was running like 880 relics with 3xMA for a while
now i have a bunch of malch and only 1 MA and my dps sim still went up by like 50k
fathom elm
Ah cool , I'll have to give it a go when I'm on next
shut willow
i would definitely sim the whole thing before you do anything
i would do the following
switch talents and gear
sim it
get stat weights
swap gear
then run a relic compare sim
steal the input and mess with it and re-sim stat weights with the assumed relic changes
swap gear as needed
and check your dps
don't just yolo it, you might be mad
lone junco
Multi dotting dogs is why locks and sp do so well. If you can do more with 2ruptures then it is a win. If you lose out on bombs and do less then it is a loss
I did best just tunneling one.
Coven can maintain 2x easily ad times and is really good.
alpine grotto
vapid moth
That’s what I do. Every group I’m in does heroic with the dogs At 180 degrees cept my guild. It’s fucking retarded
shut willow
we stacked the dogs in normal one week to mess around with. i think i did 2.45M dps for the fight as exsang like 3 months ago
pure sparrow
My guild holds dogs literally just far enough apart to not get fucked up. Thats how it should be IMO. Allows you to shadowstep to the other dog while everything is up without having to lose uptime
fathom elm
Ok will do , thanks mate
shut willow
@pure sparrow do you guys do that on mythic? you have to move the fire dog alot on mythic
strange python
well theoretically you can move both dogs in a perfect circle
pure sparrow
Tank tries to bring him back to me as often as possible. Not 100% uptime, but enough to matter
spice surge
Some people have started blasting them both together
That requires really good healers though ^^
vapid moth
@pure sparrow exactly. Pugs r retarded
lone junco
When you stack them do all the melee soak purple together or just a few?
shut willow
@strange python we just hold purple in the corner and gang bang it and then drag fire in an ellipse along the far wall
we only stacked on normoal
lone junco
And what does that do to the fire beams
shut willow
i think it would kill you on heroic
we ran the fire out for the most part when we did it on normals
i wasn't watching dps or anything and i didn't know we were doing that, so i looked over at 8% and realized i was at 2.45M dps and said, i'm not going out with this fire, PARSE TIEM BRUHL
shut willow
we haven't done it in like 6 weeks
we usually 4 heal and we have some weaker AOE healers so i don't think we could stack on heroic
lone junco
ah. we 3healed 20 heroic last night. and could easily afford 5 healers if the cleave dps went through the roof
not saying we would live, due to mechanics.
cause we are bad.
meager ice
bit of a noob at rogue, but whats better, shoulder + ravenholt or shoulder + vigour ring? only legos i got
keen inlet
shoulder + RH
meager ice
tyty
keen inlet
but sim using raidbots.com to be sure
frosty pagoda
heroic?
rocky smelt
poison bomb procs, can it be tracked like a timer?
lone junco
nah. normy. we are still on coven heroic
@rocky smelt you can have a weak aura announce when it drops
unnecessary imo
somber moth
Guys which race gives most dps for ass rouge
tepid ridge
hi guys what about new racial (voidelf) for rogue assa? was wondering about that
strange python
The races have not been put into simc. So we don't know. 📌
lone junco
@frosty pagoda its not really a dps problem for us. we are really bad at moving and collapsing and spreading. and usually 1 person kills 4 others.
tepid ridge
:p
rocky smelt
@somber moth sim the races
strange python
My guess is still blood elf, 1% more crit and free energy from torrent.
hoary patrol
Yeah I still like bl a lot more
tepid ridge
oh sry didn't told you ally side :<
hoary patrol
As conmor said
tepid ridge
don't bully me :p
frosty pagoda
hell yeah
hoary patrol
Free crit + mass silence and energy return is really handy
Mass silence is OP for m+
vapid moth
Torrent gives energy?
mental aurora
I feel like void elves would be best for caster classes. Otherwise really all they get is 3min cd blink and a 5% dmg boost every minute or so
vapid moth
You forget tmog price reduction
strange python
I would think nightborne are better for casters as they straight up do 1% more magic damage.
vapid moth
It proves from anything though
strange python
maybe even us sin rogues too. nature damage is magic
the game has now forced me to be assassination
frosty pagoda
do we have the racial sims though?
vapid moth
No it hasn’t willow
strange python
no we don't
frosty pagoda
F
strange python
📌
hoary patrol
If you play sub arcane torrent will make your opener a lot easier
strange python
😡
mental aurora
I’d say the 1% dmg boost would even out with uninterrupted casting in a normal scenario. I guess both factions get a race with good caster racials
strange python
@vapid moth yes it has
boosting a rogue to 110 locks you to the spec because it's bugged and you can't pick up the quest for any other artifacts
exotic glen
vapid moth
^^^
keen inlet
tbh I'm not sure a ticket's worth it rn
ticket times are sky-high and it's happening widely to most people, so it'll have to be hotfixed
vapid moth
Tfw you gotta pay the price of half the xpac to race change
mental aurora
Would probably be more cost effective to just use your boost on the race of your choice lol
lone junco
oo method not R1
According to Alexa Traffic Rank method.gg is ranked number 156,749 in the world
vapid moth
Winter then you gotta spend time getting gear. Plus I want my favorite name on my main character
vapid moth
Nah. Name change is still 15 dollars or so
strange python
Aren't you forced to name change when you race change?
no
maybe
I thought no but I wouldn't be surprised
I remember my guildie changed from panda to orc and said he got a free name change
lone junco
when you server xfer. and there is another one of your name. you get free name change
ie. make a lvl 1 named Nooberog and you get a free name change.
strange python
oh right. server xfer would make sense.
rocky smelt
what timers are worth tracking for rogue?
strange python
sin rogue?
lone junco
afk
mental aurora
Assass. Specifically or...
vapid moth
I might be forced to name change but i could just keep the same name
rocky smelt
my standard wa set has 3 timers, so editing for assass rogue
rupture/garrote but need another xD
mental aurora
Rupture, garrote, envenom buff
rocky smelt
u da best
strange python
You're gonna want a lot more than three
rocky smelt
such as?
keen inlet
clicking
strange python
kingsbane, envenom buff, toxic blade
possibly surge of toxins.
though people dont care about sot anymore.
rocky smelt
kingsbane/toxic blade i have wa for teh ability itself so that will include a timer
keen inlet
keyboard turning
strange python
but sot matters during kingsbane
mental aurora
I click my poisons to reapply them. They’re on an action bar so I don’t have to fish through my spellbook, but not keybound so i don’t activate them accidentally
lone junco
naga 👌
gaunt moat
G700s boi here :x
mental aurora
Naga still in the mail tho
pure sparrow
i click my poisons and things i rarely press, like shroud
strange python
nagas fall apart pretty quick I've heard
but I have no experience
my stepdad had one and it died on him
vapid moth
I don’t have a mouse sadly
rocky smelt
wait the envenom buff
lone junco
I click shroud and poisons and Drums
rocky smelt
is just extra poison application chance?
strange python
I have some cheapo wireless mouse.
lone junco
@rocky smelt yes.
vapid moth
I wish I did. Would bind shadowstep and sprint to the mouse
rocky smelt
or am i missing something
strange python
yes it is and it's arguably the most imporant one
strange python
sin rogue is all about chaining envenom buff as long as possible. so you only envenom once every 5-6 seconds.
rapid hound
what exactly makes the 3rd master assassin relic op? (talking about exs build)
gaunt moat
i wanna throw some shade.
fuu plays on laptop.
lone junco
celestalon plays on a phone
mental aurora
I try to have similar abilities keybound the same across all my characters. Q is interrupt, E is any movement ability, etc
strange python
it also increases poison damage
keen inlet
$11. Amazing mouse.
gaunt moat
@keen inlet DOUBT
strange python
yea that's applied with envenom isn't it
vapid moth
Thank you for the recommendation don jose
strange python
it is
gaunt moat
i just don't trust chainese knock-offs
keen inlet
customizable weights, strong cable
lone junco
the concern with Env. is if you mut mut env spam too quiclky, you will have gaps or downtime in the env buff
@tall crown ^
strange python
@rocky smelt I suggest you read the guide up top
keen inlet
Only downside is it's red led, not multi-coloured
rocky smelt
yeah i am now cheers
strange python
not trying to patronize you
vapid moth
I wish I had money. I’d love to have an actually gaming setup
strange python
np
keen inlet
Not trying to bash those products but all the big names are charging you for the name
¯_(ツ)_/¯
strange python
well yeah
keen inlet
there's perfectly viable alternatives out there much cheaper.
strange python
that's capitalism and monopoly in a nutshell
keen inlet
It's not a monopoly tho?
strange python
but instead of having a financial monopoly
keen inlet
🤔
lone junco
where are all the thumb buttons
strange python
you have a monopoly via brand
lone junco
missing like 10
strange python
even a social monopoly if u will
lone junco
ill pass on that
keen inlet
if you need 30 mouse buttons ¯_(ツ)_/¯
lone junco
with shift mods
strange python
I have approximately 2 on my mouse
keen inlet
I get the job done easily with 2 most specs in wow
lone junco
you shant be trusted then
keen inlet
shrewd oriole
feels bad
keen inlet
Again
strange python
that's basically cheating
keen inlet
idk about Zelotes (no personal experience) but my redragon for being a "cheap chinese knockoff" has been the best mouse I've ever used
lone junco
breathing lights.
rocky smelt
reading the guide, mentions pandemic, checked spellbook and traits but no mention of it? please enlighten me
strange python
when you refresh your dots
extra time is tacked on based on how much time is left on them
rocky smelt
oooh right ok
lone junco
30
lone junco
it doesnt give you any extra time, it just overwrites previous buff and carries some of it over to the new buff.
np
strange python
pandemic is a range though
from 1-30%
so if you refresh rupture at 7.2 seconds left or more, the new rupture lasts for 31 seconds instead of 24.
basically
lone junco
yeah. a lot of people jerk over pandemic at times where it means nothing.
lost horizon
(with 5cp)
lost horizon
It's just a window where you can refresh and not lose uptime
strange python
that's the range of pandemic
lost horizon
Only need to max pandemic on NS snapshot
strange python
every single spec gets pandemic, right?
yes
it used to be warlock only then it was made baseline
lost horizon
Pandemic is finnicky though
strange python
it might only be magic spells though
lone junco
pandemic is good for LD snd and RTB
it is however good for reducing waste and rotational clutter
lone junco
doubt it buffs 2p as well
i kept seeing 6sec over and over and over.
but I dont track that well
strange python
nope. that's why envenom uptime is usually 0.5% higher than 2pc or something.
lone junco
4p env also matters there. but w/e
unreal coyote
i normally see like 75-80% env buff uptime in top logs
anyone seeing more than that regularly?
strange python
I usually do ~82% on varimathras
strange python
yeah weak did a test with anticipation and got 98% env uptime.
strange python
yeah. it was essentially 100%.
valid moss
Is it a big dps loss to go from blood elf > nightborne if I don't give two fucks about M+?
strange python
no
lone junco
there are no sims for races
strange python
even if you did
valid moss
like im losing 1% crit only
strange python
the torrent gives energy too
valid moss
15 energy every 1.5mins
lone junco
and aoe silence is good
valid moss
in raids +/- not really super good I think
exept for portal keeper but well, im a rogue I run portals anyways
strange python
don't worry about it i want to go nightborne too
valid moss
you cant go back to belf if you go anightborne?
strange python
though I kind of want to see zandalari racials too.
valid moss
like you have to pay 25e for race change to go back?
valid moss
:|
shut willow
blizzard has been trying to get rid of the racials mattering for a long time - they mean almost nothing now
valid moss
I am so sick of blood elf, and I just noticed that nightborne = basically night elf animations
strange python
blood elf is the only outlier
valid moss
and void elf = basically blood elf for ally
strange python
i really like the troll envenom animation.
darkspear though. wonder if zandalari will be the same.
strange python
the nightborne 1% more magic damage does apply to all our nature damage which could be better than blood elf. but we have no sims to know yet.
calm grail
Obviously the new void elf racial increases your damage by 5%, but on my recount I also saw a damage of like 5 million.
Does it have it's own ability too?
valid moss
nature dmg = magic?
strange python
yes. everything except physical.
some could argue physical is a magic school as well.
valid moss
sounds interesting
strange python
magic damage is a really vague description.
calm grail
Nature damage has always been Magic. It wasn't too long ago you had to reach spell hit cap so our poisons would not miss.
lone junco
20% uptime of 5%
calm grail
I'll show you later what I'm talking about. It's weird.
lone junco
I hope it is random. and you cant control it
like boom 5% in the middle of a shit draught
calm grail
Yeah, that's exactly how it works
lone junco
perfect
calm grail
I swapped yesterday, it does usually happen on pull though
valid moss
so we can assume that nightborne might be op as fuck for Assa
lone junco
can you imagine a random troll buff
valid moss
1% dmg for all poisons
calm grail
So your whole like 5 to 10 seconds of crit window is Amplified
calm grail
Also it has a 33% proc chance with a 1-minute ICD
lone junco
so like at 1min intervals
calm grail
So we should line up with your first vanish post pull
So it should*
I don't know, it could be coincidence, and it probably is, but it definitely felt good m
Won't know for sure until I see last night's logs once they are unfucked
strange python
my logs are unfucked.
calm grail
Also, I saw the buff of time was pretty decent, but I saw on my damage sources that there was a damage Source also called entropic embrace.
strange python
rip
calm grail
I don't know what that was about
abstract ibex
Hey guys, which combination of tier pieces should I play as assa at the moment?
calm grail
I got like a 2.4 Varim
strange python
either 4 piece tier 21 (shoulder bracer legendaries) or 2 t20 + 4 t21 (boots wrists legendaries). of course sim it to find out.
lone junco
@calm grail did you already race change?
strange python
you got to log on before raid?!
calm grail
I happen to have Tuesdays off
strange python
well I meant with the servers being borked.
calm grail
As soon as the expansion went on the store, soneone told me and I got it before the cluster fuck happened
I never had to log off.
I just moved my character occasionally
strange python
ah.
calm grail
I know that I beat my old Varim parse by like 170k
I want to see if it was ridiculous poison bombs, or just walk with the new racial lining up with stuff
Luck*
rocky smelt
hey again
not the best with Wass
WAs
but making a progress bar for combo points
and it shows like a standard bar and how many CPs
anyone know how to seperate the combo points though?
strange python
no idea. I think notter's weak auras in the pins do that though. maybe you can copy them and take a look.
rocky smelt
cheers connor
calm grail
Yes
strange python
I use notter's weakauras, but not the cp thing. and heavily adjusted the size/location of the buffs
calm grail
That was Monday's raid
strange python
timers. i mean
tender adder
Idk what to use my boost on....
strange python
a rogue
calm grail
What are you showing me Noobe?
lone junco
just the heroic summary of varith
strange python
I think he tried to call you out.
lone junco
no. I wanted to look at it
calm grail
It's not supposed to get, do you remember how I said that my logs from yesterday were fucked?
Yet*
For some reason we do a last-minute rate on Monday, and then we do new stuff on Tuesdays and Wednesdays and finish up on Monday again
Raid*
But yeah, you see that 2192
tender adder
I may boost a monk for weekend raid
calm grail
Last night was like 2375
calm grail
Could be
lone junco
but will be nice to see
calm grail
Yeah, they should get posted within an hour or two once the main tank gets home
He's the one who logs, I'm really curious to see
warm beacon
a tip
warm beacon
only use vanish when pb procs
calm grail
There is a little bit there towards the end, you can see that I pulled up to 2.4 for a little bit, but then it dropped back down to like 2.375
For the Finish
I'll let you sift through it, since I mobile, you can figure out what magic fuckery happened
lone junco
if the fight were 1:59 long, it would be nice to hold the vanish until a vendetta bomb
calm grail
If you knew you weren't going to be able to use it again, yeah, I would definitely hold it for the entropic embrace
calm grail
Gonna boost ur 🥄
strange python
nature damage. to be specific. so envenom and kingsbane too, etc.
calm grail
Here's the downside though, they look stupid.
strange python
u wot
calm grail
Do you really want to look stupid??
copper kestrel
How often do you find yourself sitting on 6pt, holding envenom until Surge of Toxins is almost out?
I've only just started trying Assassination, but it seems easy to run energy dry in a single target situation. If I'm just trying to spam mutilate/envenom (while maintain bleeds/poisons).
gilded lark
Let's be real, if you're not making a thicc dark iron dwarf, you're doing it wrong
On launch ofc
6cp? Run vigor fam
And yeah sin is not a spammy spec. Just sim yourself and look at apm lol
copper kestrel
Fair - but same question?
strange python
yea don't use deeper strategem
gilded lark
Also do you have 4p?
copper kestrel
Nap
gilded lark
You don't worry abouy SoT unless kingsbane is running
strange python
surge of toxins is mostly irrelevant. use envenom to chain the previous envenom buff
instead of surge of toxins.
and since the env buff is usually 6 seconds, you can an extra second of regen as opposed to chaining surge of toxins.
strange python
and our 4 piece is huge for energy regen. an extra 180-200 energy/min
copper kestrel
Got it.
strange python
is pandemic envenom really worth thinking about? you have to refresh it at 1.8 seconds, hell naw I aint doing that.
gilded lark
If you have the energy, why not
warm beacon
in the end, poison bomb procs will determinate your dps
gilded lark
Anywhere from 1.8-0.1s left you're still getting the same overall env uptime
strange python
honestly that poison bomb argument is used more as an excuse than actuality
1% Magic dmg from nightborne also for poisons?
yes
nature dmg
so envenom and kingsbane too etc
ok this is nice
but i hate the model
gilded lark
And the model hates you
strange python
😦
gilded lark
What should i use my 110 boost on
calm grail
Shaman.
sonic pawn
decent pull
gilded lark
What boss
calm grail
High command?
sonic pawn
Eonar lol
calm grail
Eona
strange python
eonar?
calm grail
Waowww
sonic pawn
tons of procs
gilded lark
Lul
calm grail
Eonarre
strange python
are there new racesims anywhere?
lone junco
does anyone actually play worgen or blueberry?
lone junco
🇷 🇮 🇵
strange python
what went wrong here? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a1PY7kTLHtDhQXcK/#fight=17&type=damage-done
calm grail
Who's that?
strange python
me
calm grail
I got a 980 doggo neck last night.
jovial kite
yeah
calm grail
I had a stupid amount of Versatility on it
calm grail
It dropped my credit down to 20% though, but it raises my versatility to 20%... Had to swap rings to get some crit back.
Crit*
lone junco
im full up c/m
lone junco
makes me lol. i have 960 gloves and 960 shoulders both high crit. still a loss in my MPTB at 31crit 180m
strange python
noobe loves his snipping tool
gilded lark
Noobe loves posting pics of himself
lone junco
I do
keen inlet
I want primary stats back on jewelry 😒
calm grail
Armory doesn't display all the stats right.
mental aurora
I’ve been using the same 935 gnawed thumb ring since 7.3 hit. I cannot for the life of me get an upgrade to drop
strange python
walking through wpl to get to hillsbrad is the worst experience ever
unreal coyote
i want primary stat to mean more
strange python
yea my mastery appears ~8% lower than it really is
unreal coyote
none of this bullshit
strange python
on armory
shadow token
how good is amanthul's for sin? is golg's better at high ilvl?
strange python
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
lone junco
@shadow token i thought you died
gilded lark
pins you filthy blue name
lone junco
the 985 agi is nice.
gilded lark
But iirc its worse than golgs
calm grail
This is where I'm at according to the armory, the Mastery is lower than it is in game though. Idk.
shadow token
i forgot how to change my colors
unreal coyote
i dont think it sees it
fading thicket
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q6R9Y1WsJx3XSuBm7vMqXU how does poison knives sim higher than garrote dmg on st? 🤔
shadow token
but this color is correct for ww, so i am gonna get it yey
lone junco
@fading thicket both are shit
fading thicket
do we still fan on st ? 😫
unreal coyote
lone junco
if you have 5 or 6 or 7 pk. you can
strange python
margin of error
lone junco
it is not ideal to have any pk relics in st though
and that would only be at >=3 cps with vig
fading thicket
i know that both are shit, but still a slight upgrade
strange python
the first two have the same relics but they are 2k apart
calm grail
No gem slot but this is my new baby.
strange python
just like pk vs garrote, 2k apart
fading thicket
yeah probably should just take garrote and hope for better traits next week LUL
winter tiger
hey guys for dungeons should i be running cape or boots with shoulders?
calm grail
I feel bad, I keep rolling on relics that end up being damaged losses, fishing for better traits.
lone junco
@calm grail I have a 960 one of those in bags.
is nice tho
its part of my green set
mental aurora
I got a 950 one
calm grail
I got the Mythic iron Relic off of high command last night, but it didn't roll Master Alchemist so it was worse than my 945 one. With Malch and master of shadows
lone junco
@jovial kite I wouldnt mind Insig/boot on AHC. my fok cleave is complete shit there.
unreal coyote
unless im getting good pb procs
its pointless to try to cheese cleave
we have too many nasty cleaving dps
lone junco
thats my point. a insig based mut build is just pointing at the trash
keen inlet
I always miss wrists, though
lone junco
I dont know dispatch beyond the emo band
lone junco
converts backstab into a mackstab?
lone junco
I was pvp at that time, and was prob combat/sub
lone junco
do you just bind Dispatch to mut and mash away?
or do you mut low hps trash and dispatch boss
ooo
lone junco
yeah.
ive seen the dispatch talk. just ok. 55e mut or a 30e execute
how would you weave them together to get free and usable
unreal coyote
why dispatch is a talent
pure sparrow
probably would be usable like ice lance for Fr mage right?
strange python
that's kinda like execute
unreal coyote
dont they just give it to us
jovial kite
i think its a good choice in talent
unreal coyote
like it used to be
keen inlet
tbh I'm wondering why it's a talent too...but I'm glad we get it, at least
strange python
hey it is execute
jovial kite
but i do have a hunch they will make it baseline
lone junco
did Ret get GG back as a talent?
unreal coyote
they should
strange python
warlocks are getting life tap, but different
keen inlet
I'm kinda curious about Subterfuge and Master Assassin, though
strange python
so baseline abilities -> talents is a thing now
keen inlet
I know they're different in mechanic, but it still seems like they're relatively similar enough in function that I don't understand the talent choice
strange python
correlations based on the alpha build can be seen
lone junco
what is that 30% rotation like DIS DIS DIS DIS ENV DIS DIS DIS RUpture
strange python
it's implicit that what I say isn't set in stone
lone junco
dp
strange python
but rn it's happening to paladins with wake of ashes as well
putting it on a tier that makes it the obvious choice for that tier :/
keen inlet
Noobe what I liked about dispatch originally was that it kinda ramped up your excute phase/APM
made it exciting
(if not spammy)
but iirc it also led to some weird scenarios where muti was still better to use than dispatch
idk it's been a while
unreal coyote
i just wonder if warriors will continue to trounce us
for aoe and st
because logic
unreal coyote
heavy sarcasm
keen inlet
But I take it with a YUGE grain of salt
urban storm
Bigly salt
urban storm
Dispatch is an old ability?
keen inlet
and then came the infamous tangent about afflocks
and the "no king rules forever" comment
lone junco
Dispatch was a proc not spam right?
keen inlet
Dispatch was a proc, and then execute spam
urban storm
Interesting
keen inlet
I can't remember when it was removed (was it in WoD?) but it was around
tbh it was fun as a proc
quaint bobcat
Removed in Legion
keen inlet
yeah.
quaint bobcat
Was a big part of hfc tierpiece
keen inlet
and we got wrist leggos instead >P
lone junco
Lol. Wrecks mastery.
keen inlet
I'm wondering
lone junco
You get either mastery on poison/bleed. Or crit on all. Or execute.
keen inlet
if they're gonna tune Crimson Tempest so it's the "alive longer" aoe go-to, versus PB (burst)
or vice-versa
urban storm
If dispatch is in 8.0 and we still have legendaries at that time, it’s gonna be really good right?
lone junco
Those mother fuckers.
urban storm
Cuz it seems to be great with bracers
keen inlet
I have a feeling 8.0 will prolly wreck everything
urban storm
From what I remember reading
strange python
huh? dispatch is not a poison or bleed.
lone junco
CT can get fucked if the duration is longer than like 6 sec.
Exactly. What good is mastery for a phys execute.
strange python
or you just mean execute in general.
keen inlet
leggos will end up not working against mobs 111 or something
or break when you ding 111
or who knows
¯_(ツ)_/¯
strange python
maybe they'll just turn them all into greens lol
urban storm
I mean we will need weapojs
strange python
think they might just make them obsolete? did people still use the mop legendaries in wod?
keen inlet
I mean sensible design would be:
PB: Higher burst chance (heavy rng), but over prolonged fight less dps
CT: superior dps over prolonged fight
urban storm
They will be obsolete
keen inlet
whether they'll do that who knows
urban storm
We are turning artifacts in at some point
keen inlet
they're shattering, actually
strange python
i think that's this patch
urban storm
Or they’re being destroyed or something
keen inlet
next patch will probably start the superficial/cosmetic "breakdown"
keen inlet
they can't.
strange python
theycan't
keen inlet
Ion said weapons won't TF. They can WF, currently
lone junco
weps should drop in pairs. gimme 2 daggers thx.
urban storm
They said no tf on weps
keen inlet
but they're considering turning WF on them. Not 100% right now
unreal coyote
no
none of that shit
not on weapons
and yes
1 slot for daggers
or pairs
w/e
strange python
dagger weapon damage doesn't mean shit for rogues anyway
inner socket
Thats boring. More flexibility with separate daggers with their own stats
keen inlet
fwiw I agree with you, I think wf/tf is BAD on weapons,a nd one-handers should automatically become a "set"
unreal coyote
chasing 2 daggers down is the fkin worst
urban storm
Yea that’s what I liked about relics, sure you had to get lots of drops to get good traits but you could upgrade them as it went along
keen inlet
@inner socket Do you remember how awful it was going an entire tier without a dagger upgrade?
strange python
I also feel like set items are kinda boring
unreal coyote
boring?
urban storm
NLC is what made it dumb
unreal coyote
lol
keen inlet
Because I do.
lone junco
i dont want to wait until argus to get a dagger. and then need 2 of them
keen inlet
Hint: it was awful
urban storm
Yea I agree with don
unreal coyote
lets see if you think its boring
lone junco
I never got soul capacitor.
keen inlet
What Noobe said.
frosty pagoda
soul cap
urban storm
Missing a weapon upgrade for an entire tier was ducking stupid
frosty pagoda
how I miss you so
frosty pagoda
I actually shed a tear for that trinket
inner socket
Ive only played wotlk and legion. I remember going through all of icc without getting my ap trinket. Ended up respeccing sin
unreal coyote
of the dag you need
fiery nest
weapons can only wf, no crazy tfs, azerite armor can't wf or tf at all. they're at least moving in the right direction
strange python
I'm on the fence about the idea of wf and tf at all
frosty pagoda
THAT would be aids
lone junco
and feral
unreal coyote
i got core hounds tooth taken from me by a hunter in vanilla
ive never seen it drop again
literally
so
yay
keen inlet
Yeah guys, remember how other specs use our weapons?
unreal coyote
weapon drops
keen inlet
lol.
strange python
I think the best way to control wf is a +5 increase max, and to control TF is having the limit be the min level for the next difficulty level
urban storm
Can’t wait until the best available dagger is like, haste versatility
keen inlet
omegalul.
strange python
will they make all weapons have class-malleable stats? 
keen inlet
Can't wait for getting stomped on logs because unlucky ilvl
urban storm
I think until NLC they were great
lone junco
destroyed relics were garbage
keen inlet
of weapons
strange python
can't wait to destroy my artifact and then get a green dagger as the quest reward
artifacts shouldn't have been implemented
keen inlet
even WF weapons 10 is a bad idea
strange python
the abilities should have though
urban storm
But having to trash relics wasn’t ideal
bold dune
is that why you're gonna get stomped don
keen inlet
Artifacts were cool.
Relics weren't.
@bold dune I'll get stomped because I'll be busy banning you and not paying attention to raid 😛
bold dune
what a pity
strange python
when I heard about netherlight crucible I thought it was gonna make my relic troubles better
keen inlet
"ooooooh shit son"
strange python
j allen brion
spice frost
Idk man. I got a 970 Malch that rolled mass
urban storm
Weapon drops is so much worse than relics tho
keen inlet
I'm fine with weapon drops, but
- no wf/tf.
- weapons for dual-wield classes drop in sets.
spice frost
Unfortunately it was in the refractive she’ll path
lone junco
w/e wf/tf are gold for scrubs
spice frost
Shell*
strange python
I feel it's not backwards
but artifacts were too forwards
we had like "the most powerful things in existence yo"
unique peak
relics is like 3x weapon drops.. with even more specific hunting because lots of classes want very specific bonuses
lone junco
in WOD they nerfed bosses each week.
strange python
and now it just feels useless
lone junco
TF is a way to get people stronger over time.
way better than valor tokens
fuck that garbage
urban storm
Yes but you could get upgrades reasonably consistently since there were a lot of relic options
strange python
I hope only weapons can tf
and they drop in 1/4 pieces
that you have to combine to make a weapon
lost horizon
Wtf
lone junco
🚪
urban storm
Now, you can just not get a weapon upgrade for months
strange python
wat
keen inlet
I didn't like item upgrades.
I did like valor/justice badges tho
spice frost
Willow you’re wvil
unique peak
Valor/Justice upgrades were bad, thunderforged is worse
strange python
hope we don't have to choose between azerite weapons vs normal weapons
lost horizon
I'm a legion baby how am I gonna deal with not having artifacts
lone junco
995 BTI is fine by me.
urban storm
Azerite is armor only I thought
strange python
o good
unreal coyote
its bad design
strange python
hope so
urban storm
What’s bad design?
keen inlet
Azerite is 3 pieces of armor allegedly?
unreal coyote
newspaper NO NOOO
spice frost
Azerite is only helm/shoulders/chest iirc and can’t forge
urban storm
Yea 3 azerite pieces
lone junco
we rely on gear ramps to progress. M+ TF is that ramp.
strange python
i liked thunderforging
unreal coyote
any time youre wearing shit from a previous raid half way through the new tier
strange python
I'm just sorta unhappy with the tf/wf system at all
spice frost
With the neck being the controlling part for level up
unreal coyote
someone fucking fails
unique peak
Valor/Justice upgrades you could at least control the +ilvl to your gear. This way its all RNG, and this game does not need more of it
keen inlet
I don't like old raids dropping better gear than current. Call me old-fashioned but I like progression to be linear.
strange python
ion: "just kidding +200 tf"
full horizon
/flex
lone junco
I want content after tier is done. M+ ramping up is best content since . . . flex raid.
keen inlet
I don't want to be running BFA-NH months and months later trying to get one trinket to upgrade
strange python
I don't like anything dropping better gear than anything of a higher difficulty
spice frost
I think the real mistake was nh trinkets were end of expansion quality. Obviously tf exasperated that issue.
lone junco
better than wod, when you could solo the mythic, and only did it for valor tokens, then just afk for 6 months.
unreal coyote
It's ok to be done
lone junco
@spice frost do you comb your hair ever?
unreal coyote
It's ok to be done with a toon
keen inlet
I like being done too
keen inlet
neverending treadmill was bad
spice frost
Not me. Some dude in my guild like 5 years ago. It’s a running joke
unique peak
spending all my shit on the argunite vendor to pray for a TF unstable arcanocrystal is the definition of how I'd like to spend my time /s
unreal coyote
Far more design pitfalls trying to make neverending single toon progression
Look at nlc
lone junco
@unique peak tbh, it is what I did.
keen inlet
What I don't get
strange python
u want arcanocrystal on sin rogue?
keen inlet
is that right now they are churning out content faster than ever
unique peak
no, i play spriest lul
lone junco
it sims high now for poison
keen inlet
yet they've decided NOW they need to supplement that with never-ending treadmill
keen inlet
like I could see when patches were taking 10 months, okay
but patches come 77 days on avg now
jovial kite
@lone junco topped varimathras with exsang
lone junco
log
strange python
what do you mean by treadmill?
frosty pagoda
doesn't a heroic fang outsim an arcanocrytstal?
keen inlet
AP, TF trinkets, relic/NLC, etc
strange python
50% of all trinkets outsim arcano
lone junco
990 crystal wouldnt be horrible
frosty pagoda
yeah that's what I thought
keen inlet
always trying to get the best because it's theoretically possible but tiny rng chances etc
jovial kite
i was also on bitch step duty
unreal coyote
NLC was just a slap in the face tbh
jovial kite
got double mark step + necrotics in a row
strange python
so when you say treadmill you refer to the needless grind
lone junco
yes.
strange python
they have a larger team
keen inlet
Needless is an interesting word choice
keen inlet
depending on whose perspective it's needless
jovial kite
lone junco
@jovial kite all those greys fed your bracers
strange python
depends
lone junco
"quality"
keen inlet
They're pushing out faster content, they don't need to prop it up with treadmills anymore
inner socket
I wish professions had an impact on pve again. I wasn't playing when they changed that
strange python
but the extent to which you have to grind for like +5 ilvl should be needless
lone junco
M+ ramp is literally off night conent that didnt exist in Vanilla BC LK WOD
keen inlet
biggest grain of salt in the universe
inner socket
I remember having jc gems and engineering boots etc in wrath
gaunt moat
okay then...
unreal coyote
Wow
inner socket
Useless now
strange python
did you just get that
lone junco
TF is a long ramp carry for content
frosty pagoda
was like 2nd week mythic I think
unreal coyote
No