like any conv about what if ttd is < 15 sec.
#assassination
hot swift
strange python
I play using VR
lone junco
explains so much
ancient sonnet
doin normal to bleed stuff
lone junco
I like LFR for testing. bosses take forever.
ancient sonnet
2.2M rupture tick 
lone junco
i fish 1 or 2 times prior to the bracer vanish exang.
strange python
for bota?
strange python
solemn vapor
A really noob question guys
lone junco
yeah.
strange python
noobe*
strange python
I like that playstyle, meanwhile toxic blade lines up with fuck all.
solemn vapor
Vanish+vend+rupt does make that much difference?
strange python
nope
strange python
🤔
lone junco
you vend way before the vanish.
gilded lark
okay first question
lone junco
on non vuln mobs. I can get a single 27M rupture.
gilded lark
do you use shoulders?
ancient sonnet
https://gyazo.com/41420955c4262839544679fddda35b52 damage breakdown luls
ancient sonnet
also 70% crit rate on muti
gilded lark
yeah, vanish envenom
solemn vapor
Wow
gilded lark
noobe needs to ask context before sperging answers 😒
solemn vapor
Vanish env ok
lone junco
@ancient sonnet can you expand the rupture tab
solemn vapor
It was a really generic question i know
strange python
squirrel importer?
gilded lark
yes
regal estuary
is there a crucible string any where ?
gilded lark
pins
lone junco
herodamage dot com
lone junco
for real tho. the vanish rupture in bracer depends on conc or vendetta alignment and bota, but my quick math had it on par with env shoulder. would be neat to see it tested.
just for bracer.
since bracer is fuck all for env.
gilded lark
he wasn't asking for bracer though
lone junco
just to sim the 30-0 with shoulder bracer vanish 3x env. vs vanish rupture mut env mut env.
the whole fight sims are apparently pretty rigid
and if that were even close to even. then I would test it with EP/Tb.
but w/e its just imaginary 1's and 0's
and none of this matters
lone junco
been there for years.
gilded lark
exsinstential even
strange python
im not sure if that was wordplay or irony
ancient sonnet
ya think ill stick with this bleed thingy
gilded lark
@strange python yes
ancient sonnet
seemsgood with these leggos and this gear
lone junco
@ancient sonnet it is fun for sure. and the real benefit is faster peaks.
you can squeeze in another 3M peak a bit faster.
ancient sonnet
ya
lone junco
dont need to wait for the 2min intervals.
strange python
i wanna play bleed but i got shoulders bracers and no boots ;d
lone junco
yeah no boots, no bleed.
ancient sonnet
well that garothi i maintained >2.2M till the first transition
strange python
fishing for it
lone junco
ilvl?
lone junco
zealous dew
in +22 / +23 you can have 3x vendetta on bosses
lone junco
you can do it
zealous dew
instead of 2 with bracers
strange python
Guaranteed To Bleed
lone junco
yes
ancient sonnet
id check the sim but i dont think it was logged tbh
this is what i was dealing with
soooooooo
lone junco
nice
ancient sonnet
xD
gilded lark
"hurumbe"
ancient sonnet
ill see what i get tomorrow for guild mythic reclear
lone junco
the stat I like to see is the vanish rupture peak damage. 1 cast for like 28M
ancient sonnet
i change my name based on spec on details its awesome
im either 'Poison Boops' 'Exswaguinate' or 'Jack Sparrow'
lone junco
I also do my own auto logging.
ancient sonnet
i was just testing spec, see how it played etc
lone junco
"fun"
keen inlet
`wat1
ancient sonnet
felt soooooo nice with new set bonuses, high crit and these leggos
like genuinely smooth
lone junco
yeah. very smooth
keen inlet
sagqwgqgqegeqgqsfnhjw3rh
gilded lark
"killme"
lone junco
just be patient with your ep clips.
gilded lark
"ratherbeaffli"
lone junco
esp during the exang.
ancient sonnet
i need to do that
lone junco
post a log when you get one. like varith.
ancient sonnet
but the speed i generate energy im literally just hammering 5-6cp envenoms without a problem during exsg
lone junco
lfr is fine.
ancient sonnet
oh boy
ancient sonnet
ill see if i can get a good clean vari kill
lone junco
Plus gearing crit vers is hard.
ancient sonnet
its honestly crazy seeing muti being only 9M damage behind envenom
lone junco
all crits.
ancient sonnet
this buff to muti was very noticable
ancient sonnet
avg crit 657k
lone junco
I waste like 2cp per fight
never mut on 4 right
I fucking exang with 6cp.
will double mut all day
strange python
monkaS
lone junco
monkey s has nothing to do with it
ancient sonnet
ya if i have 4 and exsg is coming up i 100% muti that shit
dgaf if i waste 2 from crits
lone junco
ye
strange python
lone junco
if your bracer vanish is at >2min TTD then just fire away.
ancient sonnet
do you still envenom on 4cp or would you just muti?
lone junco
4cp env is fine.
lone junco
meh.
strange python
what is the pandemic refresh for a 6cp rupture?
ancient sonnet
as its gonna get pandemic'd anyway
ancient sonnet
11ish
lone junco
sure.
lone junco
if your bracer vanish is < 2min ttd. give it an extra swipe for that bota.
ancient sonnet
i need to get ttd again
lone junco
Exorsus
ancient sonnet
does ert have it?
lone junco
yeah
strange python
cheat death bugged? its not proccing me
lone junco
that 9 sec bota and ns and conc and potion and fang and bracer is gods work.
strange python
cheat death cant exceed 200% of your max hp
ancient sonnet
my final exsg was a max pandemic and as i hit exsg bota procced
my eyes went vv wide
very much
lone junco
i under value env there in bracer. so esp in an evoc window.
might be dumb, but feels right.
mut rupture mut rupture (bota) vendetta mut mut vanish rupture exang
ancient sonnet
got 124% mast still
lone junco
im like 43/135
lone junco
it is smooth as butter. and fuck pbomb.
ancient sonnet
still get happies when pb procs
regardless
42M PB damage that garothi pull, i wish i got that many procs as poison lul
lone junco
I had one at 15% as bleed. made me lol. would have been a lot more with shoulder mp. but w/e
take some lose some
ancient sonnet
12/54 finishers procced a bomb
ive had pulls as poison where i get half of that
hidden satyr did 0.5% damage
might just go claw
lone junco
bomb is cp based.
ancient sonnet
mhm
lone junco
high crit will push more. and occasional 6cps dont hurt
fallow canopy
4k M+ Rogue, been experimenting with trinkets for high Keys anyone tried gorsh? or fabricator in combo with glaives? what were your results?
lone junco
@fallow canopy 4k eww.
ancient sonnet
4k wew
fallow canopy
i know, not the best but not an idiot lul
lone junco
im like 350
fallow canopy
i play sin in all keys
lone junco
I dont value rating. we dont do seat
ancient sonnet
as its actually a good spec for m+
lone junco
upper is fine by me.
ancient sonnet
^
fallow canopy
lol i have a 20 seat in time thats it.
ancient sonnet
i love upper
fallow canopy
sub is better in cath, lower, and well, thats about it
ancient sonnet
did 18 upper on my rogue last night, got 21dht, swapped to dk instantly
lone junco
sec
fallow canopy
back to my question though lol
lone junco
@fallow canopy @zealous dew ^
eager hearth
If you guys are at 4cp would you env or just mut again to hit 5cp and then env?
lone junco
@GladiatorAnthony#4621 no.
dire spoke
bnet update rolling out
lone junco
@GladiatorAnthony#4621 SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
stiff barn
whoop have bracers and leggo shoulders now
still pewter
Rank 1 Eonar Heroic AMA 😂
lone junco
nice.
I did well a while back. good bombs
and one time, no one fought one of the medium adds. so i got to solo it all the way to the tree.
strange python
what is the meaning of life
spice frost
@fallow canopy I’m p sure Your Sargeras and the rogue that just passed me on raider.io aren’t you? Anywho, I just use panth trinket+ssf pretty much exclusively. The forgefiends can do a ton of dmg but also us the nasty habit of grabbing things not in combat. I stopped using glaives cause even lining shoulder buff up with the final pop the damage wasn’t impressive anymore. By gorsh you mean aggy trinket? Haven’t even considered it due to haste but that might be me being bad.
ancient sonnet
if i had a decent gorsch id probs use SSF + Gorsch
cause panth trinket splits damage
and you cant get the on hit proc in dungeons
swap for bosses
spice frost
Yea. Panth isn’t great, but simming my 980 panth, 940 socket eoc and 960 ssf, the eoc+ssf is like 20k lower (with 0 other trinkets in raid)
Eoc with panth beats ssf by 4K, but at 2.2 mill 4 is negligible.
tranquil birch
You also have to consider target swapping is going to drop EoC stacks in non patchwork encounters
So fang is probably a good bit better on most fights
vast forum
ppl seem to forget that panth trinket just gives a shitton of agi, even if its effect isn't very strong on aoe
gorschalach might be good if it procs at the right time, but the haste stick is just ...
tranquil birch
Yea i got a 975 out of mythic cache and was very sad for our warriors
strange python
i got a crit haste belt
vast forum
i'd still run gorschalach where it can be consistently good (lower kara comes to mind cuz every trash pack has tons of mobs)
strange python
you can game the gorsch trinket
zealous dew
@lone junco yes ?
mortal gale
@fallow canopy ive tested using my 965 aggrammar trinket, its great damage but does require so much planning, if youre hitting 14 stacks towards the end of a trash pack its best to stop dps and let the poison/bracers do the work. Then prepare to open on the next pack. FYI you can unequip the trinket and keep the stacks too, which you can use to tour adavantage, just re-equip the trinket and pop off
Other than that, glaives, fang, pantheon are just more consistent thorughout
lone junco
@zealous dew guy had qs about trinkets in +25 range. I cant help.
4k M+ Rogue, been experimenting with trinkets for high Keys anyone tried gorsh? or fabricator in combo with glaives? what were your results?
@fallow canopy
dire remnant
should i buff my sub or assassination weapon? just got assassination to 75. sub for m+, assassination for raiding
strange python
whatever you find the most fun
crystal fox
sure is better to get 75 in all weapons first before putting 76 in main?
dire remnant
my sub weapon is 81, assassination is 75, idc about outlaw
technically if i want raid progression than assassination would be the right decision i think... but i just like sub more
shrewd oriole
I mean
dire remnant
i get that it's pretty trivial though
zealous dew
I'm using glaivrs contract from seat
zealous dew
Eoe and ssf
shrewd oriole
That it doesn’t matter
zealous dew
Don't have mines one though
shrewd oriole
Argus is the only fight I’d advocate for assa
dire remnant
really
zealous dew
Maybe seliathan has it
shrewd oriole
Yeah on all the other fights assa is better but not THAT much better
warm beacon
naive cypress
No
dire remnant
feels like when i look at warcraftlogs, the top parses are just flooded by assassination 10 to 1 for every boss fight in antorus just about
shrewd oriole
Looking at top parses is dumb af lol
Top parses on assa are always PB Procs
Yes a lucky assa pull vastly out dpses a lucky sub pull because assa has a higher ceiling
inland ridge
Is it even worth to run sin in m+?
shrewd oriole
In some dungeons on some weeks
Pretty much every top rogue plays sub tho so interpret that as you want
zealous dew
i'm between 2.6 and 3m overall
strange python
you can M+ as sin, but if you dont get pb procs your group is gonna piss on you
zealous dew
depends on tonk
shrewd oriole
Yeah
inland ridge
Pb? I cant Seem to find a abbreviation list
shrewd oriole
I think most people just favor sub over assa for consistency on packs where you need it
pure sparrow
Poison bomb
zealous dew
yep
inland ridge
Figured
zealous dew
burst on demand
shrewd oriole
You might get a ducking pb on a useless trash pack and get no proc on the trash you NEED to kill
And wipe cuz of that
When you’re doing 22+
The timer is tight
inland ridge
So it Comes down to rng
zealous dew
nah
mortal gale
Grip>PB from stealth is so pleasing
mortal gale
Im a 4.2k sub rogue and been playing sin in M+ for 2 weeks
zealous dew
where you need to finish mobs before cds are over
mortal gale
Did a 24 vault no issues
strange python
then your rng was favoring
shrewd oriole
Vault is a good sin key
mortal gale
Just stack aoe classes too
strange python
its not saying that you cant, its just more consistent to play sub
zealous dew
2.4m overall is enough for 24
mortal gale
The best thing is this week is bolstering, so bracer are really good tool to execute those bolstered mobs
zealous dew
easily achievable if tank is a not a girl
shrewd oriole
Kappa
mortal gale
Putting damage where its needed and timing the key is what you want
shrewd oriole
The two girls in my guild ride the bench super hard
So I can’t even argue with that shantal
LUL
zealous dew
nothing to argue, it's a game of numbers
you reach the number profit
you don't no profit
for sure you won't have 25m burst as sub or arms
but if mobs live long enough you good
and nobody cares of +15
strange python
my group doesnt want me to play rogue after 18 or so anyway
theyd rather the monk feelsbenchman
shrewd night
Monk is like objectively better regardless 🤷
strange python
ye but not nearly as fun
desert vault
For second, third, etc Vanish in fights using shoulders what kind of energy should I vanish with? 120+?
shrewd oriole
What
shrewd night
Wait, you dont like not pressing the same button twice in a row!?!?
strange python
i dont really care for the class idk, it does good damage but i dont feel like im doing any damage
same as afflock
the meter says im kicking ass but i dont feel like it
orchid mortar
I can't stand my lock. Puts me to sleep
eager hearth
I mean idk if you should compare yourself to a class that is broken lol
orchid mortar
sure its op but jesus christ you know whats not fun? draining constantly and refreshing dots sometimes lol
shrewd oriole
Rogue is as good as monks in keys tho cmonbruh
Monk def does more damage but rogue has better prio dmg, shroud and better defensives
Their presence in high keys (25-27’s) is pretty equal
eager hearth
Aff lock is just beyond broken
shrewd oriole
50 something monks to 70 rogues
orchid mortar
we are really strong now tbh, and I would play rogue even if we were trash (and have before) because I just like my rogue
top dps dont matter if youre bored as shit
primal tangle
Was rogue good in Pandaria?
keen inlet
Depends on what you mean by "bad"
shrewd oriole
Even if we were trash (and have before) implies
That he has played rogue wen it was trash
But rogue has never been trash
I can’t remember a tier tho
rough palm
highmaul rogues werent very good
mental aurora
Unless rogue was truly, miserably bottom of the barrel, I’d probably still play mine. It’s just so fun.
keen inlet
Rogue's always had at least one spec that was middle or higher
lone junco
3 specs 6 builds. esp with shoulders, something is going to be good.
eager hearth
I'd hope so considering we can only dps lol
shrewd oriole
Exactly
orchid mortar
mages would like a word with you LOL
shrewd oriole
Magee are never bad
lone junco
My ret is complaining that he cant keep up.
shrewd oriole
Locks are hardly ever bad
lone junco
mage is never bad. Lock is never bad
shrewd oriole
Hunter is never bad
mental aurora
Warlocks, hunters too. 4 classes are locked to only dps
orchid mortar
right now they arent bad, but they need bis legendaries to be middle of the pack. dont believe me go look at logs
shrewd oriole
And rogue is never bad
lone junco
no flex so you cant be a team player for tank and heals.
shrewd oriole
That’s the 4 more consistent classes Imo
lone junco
marks is just fine.
primal tangle
BM hunter is doing poorly
keen inlet
That's one spec tho
rough palm
@orchid mortar rogue middle of pack? they are top tier
orchid mortar
Not talking about rogue
shrewd oriole
But bm hunter is nice on argus
eager hearth
Hunter is meh just because you have to go back to ToS for tier lmfao
orchid mortar
talking about mage
mental aurora
Survival parses look good, but with only 700 I take that with an enormous grain of salt
shrewd oriole
Frost mage is fucking nutty for the last 2
lone junco
@rough palm not sure if i hate or love your avi. ill keep you posted.
shrewd oriole
Why do people look at first 5 logs lmao even vari and coven are meme tier at this point
rough palm
ok
eager hearth
Lmao
shrewd oriole
The only hard bosses this tier are aggra and argus
lone junco
are all gladiators under 17 and in HS?
shrewd oriole
For aggra and for argus frost mage is really really good
mental aurora
Idk how it is on mythic but Portal Keeper was a royal pain on progression
lone junco
anyway. someone carry me in Mythic Avatar. I need new shoulders
lone junco
we have an arcane.
inner socket
Ew tier shoulders
lone junco
he does M+ work
orchid mortar
lone junco
the opener is amazing. and aoe is great.
zealous dew
yeah
shrewd oriole
They are good cuz iceblock
lone junco
he trash packs at like 8m
shrewd oriole
Not cuz damage
Don’t just look at damage cmonbruh
That’s a 5iq approach to raiding
shrewd oriole
haHAA my class does more damage must mean I’m better right
Ignore that mages get 6 ice blocks through the fight
orchid mortar
this is my first expac raiding instead of pvping, you dont have to be like that about it lol
shrewd oriole
And ignore a mechanic 6 times
Ah
I’m sorry
My bad then dude
Mages are good on aggra because of cc and on argus because ice block allows them to ignore mechanics
Cheesing fights is usually more important than raw dps
orchid mortar
I know thats why you want DKs for aggramar too
shrewd oriole
They’re not so much cheese as much as they are add management
Mages on argus just iceblock to complete nullify a mechanic
mental aurora
Yeah idk why ppl are always so hung up on getting 100% parses. If you do mechanics and perform your role well, who gives a shit how you compare to everyone else
lone junco
😐
shrewd oriole
That’s not what I’m saying
I’m saying that a specs worth on a fight is not set by how much dps it does
mental aurora
I wasnt really responding to you
vestal wren
wcl is the only compatitive ranking we have for pve
vestal wren
so ofc it will be used for everything, even tho it was many flows
shrewd oriole
Because people just look at the dps numbers
It’s used as a bully tool a lot of the time
Feels bad man
lone junco
comparative. raid lead needs to use their brains. like KJ soaks. you cant bring all Warriors if you need Immunes.
keen inlet
It's not shit, it's a strong tool.
The parse % and ilvl % are just distractions from its best features, is all
shrewd oriole
True
lone junco
bully me. idc.
vestal wren
its not the tool that brings the issue its the player as always
shrewd oriole
Fair enough Jose you phrased it better than I did
The way most people use it is shit
lone junco
people are shitty.
orchid mortar
idk about you guys but I'm happy shitting on everything as assassinaiton and still having feint/cloak hehe
vestal wren
kinda same with simc, ppl who dont understand the tool will call it bad or sth
shrewd oriole
True
lone junco
ye. the absolute best use of simc is this trinket vs that trinket in a similar condition
shrewd oriole
I remember when dps meters were introduced into raiding and people had the same attitude
shrewd oriole
Yeah I know
mental aurora
Rogues have so much utility and I’m always getting the special jobs in fights, that idc about my parses most of the time. I don’t care if my dps takes a bit of a dive, I’m gonna intercept marked prey on varimathras because that’s what my guild needs from me.
lone junco
and I shit on the priests that did 30% of my heal.
orchid mortar
Winter I am always the shadowstep bot in my guild on Varim because our DHs cant do anything LOL
shrewd oriole
I only started getting decent around ice crown
That’s wen I started watching kripparian
orchid mortar
I've pvped for like 10 years and know what I'm doing there, but this xpac I felt like blizzard raped my favorite part of the game so I became a raider. All things considered I think I'm doing well. I want to actually find a mythic guild, I'm getting tired of hitting heroic loot pinatas. I'm only 1/11M
lone junco
but cards are silly
mental aurora
Thankfully my guild recently got a few warriors, so I can play assass. on Vari without having to worry about missing a marked prey due to having only 1 shadowstep charge
lone junco
i fucking hate poe.
lone junco
i love it
shrewd oriole
That was a fucking jebait
orchid mortar
i've only played d3 and thought it was garbage. is poe betteer?
shrewd oriole
Ah I feel
lone junco
<end>
lone junco
rmah was funny
orchid mortar
I didnt find any of the classes super fun, and I also thought it was annoying doing the same exact content over and over again
lone junco
a guildy bought something for 200$. they nerfed it the next day.
shrewd oriole
Poe offers more customization, trade, a better progression system, more variety in the end game.
shrewd oriole
You’d like poe then zilphyr
The end game has more variety and you can whatever the fuck you want
lone junco
using craft material <intended> fucking bitcoin tradebro currency is bullshit.
quartz fiber
i've had the misfortune of getting 3 pk relics, is it viable to fok or has muti overtaken it in all situations and circumstances?
lone junco
@quartz fiber current apl has a fok at 4cp with DS and 3cp with vigor
you can test it without the fok to make sure.
just relic compare, and swap out your PK with cloak relics.
heavy plover
Blizzard are really smart putting 30 essence for daily win on bg's and not an honor cap, it's not like it can take you 10+ games for one win cause of your team 😃
lone junco
I guess i could do content on hpal. would be nice to get another orange.
too bad the currency isnt BoA.
BFA question and answer is in an hour
I wouldnt have the willpower to be a mythic progression raid leader. I dont yell enough.
and I tend to like people so i dont kick them, even if they are shitty.
rustic whale
hi fellows, can somebody gives me Poison Bomb Weak Aura ? That announces on /S Poison Bomb Procced then Fades ...
shrewd oriole
There’s one in the guide
merry elbow
What setup are you running guys for m+ ?
gaunt moat
@rustic whale pinned in this channel
gaunt moat
oh announce
no, i didn't want it to announce, it would be annoying for people
you don't need to announce every time you proc
strange python
warriors with ravager macros are already pains in the ass
let alone pb proc announcing
spice surge
🤷 Those people just get put on ignore or the tank deliberately runs out from ravager
rustic whale
it was a simple request if you have it or not. Let me decide to use it on. My tank is wanting that announce
spice surge
But if you really want it you can edit the one in the pins
lone junco
@rustic whale just use your mic. I say . hold still.
shoulder bombs are cool.
we started talking back with glaives tho
me glaives, tank glaives, /repeat
but on massive packs I tend to delay my shoulder open until he stops moving anyway.
let him pick a fucking spot then fok env spam.
shrewd oriole
Do you play bleed on dungeons noobe?
Also how excited are you for the potential mastery change
lone junco
I only bleed on tyrannical.
and boo mastery 1/2 and 1/2.
I would rather something scale absurdly high.
I dont worry too much about beta stuff. have gotten hooked before.
400% exang etc.
shrewd oriole
Hence the use of the word potential :p
Dunno I like the change tbh will make the gear super interchangeable between bleed and poison
lone junco
I'll tell you what I loved. The hard pk.
shrewd oriole
Which means if you wanna change for the sake of it you can. This week I feel like bleeding
Ahaha yeah
lone junco
Not the bug. Just relics.
Not even ns.
Ct will only be king with aoe exang.
Dots are never exciting.
fast nacelle
back! @lone junco i found a new rogue fella today!
lone junco
Btw. Without bota. And without boots. Exang will need revision.
Yay
Someone was asking me qs.
fast nacelle
i ll pm u. she needs tips for bleedspec!
lone junco
👌
It is #NationalCroissantDay do any of you EU eat these? Like breakfast without bacon or eggs? So weird to me.
lone junco
@dull grove ayy. you still bleedy? or nah/
dull grove
Yo, still a bleed boy 😃
lone junco
found this log.
trying to find someone that can beat my 27m rupture. was hoping to see any red names out there.
fallow canopy
@zealous dew @spice frost @mortal gale Ya i just passed you Cooby, i'll pass the other rogue soon as i find a cath 22 or higher lul. But ya idk Gorsh could be good if managed and forgefiends doesn't share CD with glaives. As for wiki saying he doesn't use glaives anymore, idk how you manage that because glaives are still huge burst. mine are 925 and it's still at minimum 10-20% of overall when managed correctly
@spice frost i also noticed you havn't been pushing keys either so thats prob only reason.
fallow canopy
if i could get a better Beacon, i think it would replace glaives, you can pop it at range then just stealth for 100% crits
lone junco
fallow canopy
W. T. F.?????
dull grove
feelsgood : )
fallow canopy
mine averaged 4.77m per cast wtf did i miss lul
lone junco
ive been lowcp rupture before the bracer vanish.
so if you swipe and get a bota but dont get a 2nd thats like 7 sec. if you get both it is like 13 sec worth out of the 16 sec rupture
is good peak tho.,
lone junco
for what?
lone junco
meh.
fallow estuary
dull grove
Havn't done the math to know whether or not bota fishing is worth it. Usually just depends on how much effort went into the planning
lone junco
well. I would rather have 7sec than 1 env.
cosmic nacelle
new races are out you need to do a quest in main city
dull grove
Do you fish always?
lone junco
I got my fishing knowledge from Mastermcsplooge
no. just at the vanish.
like kingo adds.
1,2,3,4 cp rupture vend mut mut vanish rupture garrote exang.
not sure about the math tbh, but it feels good.
dull grove
That could give you a not-full pandemic rupture during exsang though
devout hollow
wish I wasnt a mong tbh
hitting rupture right after vanish which starts auto attack
GCD too slow for me
😒
tight apex
grave elk
yo im boosting that void elf rogue what say you
lone junco
id probably still be belf if i could.
dull grove
Say on Kingaroth adds, as you brought up. You'd put up a running rupture, only to overwrite with 1,2,3,4 cp rupture for fishing into full pandemic from vanish?
heavy plover
so after you've done the quests are sub races playable?
urban storm
Bfa stream in 12 minutes
keen inlet
@urban storm what's the link?
spice surge
I assume its on /warcraft on twitch
lone junco
this is kingo himself in the bracer vanish
keen inlet
:slowpoke:
dull grove
Was exsang delayed for that 3rd rupture?
devout hollow
lone junco
i try to delete dumb stuff
dull grove
You know what the apl's take on fishing is?
lone junco
i have talked with slackjack, and he was advocating for some work in the bracer at your last vanish.
devout hollow
love my rng
lone junco
he is the highest lvl exang player i know.
i think apl is a bit hard to micro manage like this.
if you can garrote rupture prior that is ideal
2p ofc
Im just feelycrafting my way through it. cause there isnt a lot of interest.
real key is conc. during a bota exang. that is where the fucking truck comes through.
@dull grove have you ever gotten anything like this with bota on every exang?
spice surge
As far as i know the APL doesnt support fishing at this time because it generally assumes you're wearing the artifact of your specialization rather than the fishing artifact
lone junco
good call
dull grove
Don't recall ever being that lucky :7
lone junco
the % isnt that high, but the proximity is gold
if you double swipe per exang you double your chance. right? (napkin math)
1cp 6cp ideal
it could be complete shit. but 🤷
dull grove
Usually, if timing allows, I have the rupture drop a couple of seconds before exsang is back up
spice surge
Bota % doesnt scale with CP spent right? Its just a flat 35% yeah?
dull grove
then the double rupture comes quite naturlly
lone junco
flat yeah
100 % damage 35% (i think)
and since bracer doesnt do shit for envenom, i just say piss on that extra 1.6M dmg
dull grove
Most likely worth it, envenom hitting for 800k anyway xD
lone junco
yeah
did you see the results that 2T is mut not fok for exang?
is a substantial benefit
lone junco
yeah
like if coven were in range.
dont bother fokking. just mut and rupture both.
I mean, pending fight mechanics.
dull grove
Sometimes I still like casting a fok for lightweight poison maintenance, even for just two targets
wise star
void elf racial proc any good?
lone junco
@dull grove thats fine. just a general mut sim. with zero fokking
pretty reasonable increase
I ran that myself a few days ago and beat them to this.
I didnt check 3T, but that is very rare
dull grove
Going to be hard overcoming fok habit 😃
Bota fishing only increases the probability of it proc'ing by 7.25% btw
lone junco
doubt it is that clear. we are talking 0 bota vs 7 sec vs 10 vs 13 sec during a 16 sec exang. the choice is compare that output vs the 0s 10s.
no proc
1 proc no proc
no proc 1 proc
2 proc
(7 is an estimate it takes to get the rupture [mut mut vanish ruptue exang] off.
dull grove
More haste to get the globals done faster
lone junco
yes
strange python
🤔
lone junco
strange python
bless you
marble hemlock
why does PB always proc like 5times in a row when youre trying to singletarget the priority target
strange python
because
lone junco
I had it proc 5 in a row on the trash before the demon twins in ToS. and then 0 times on them.
for sook
fuck the bomb gods.
strange python
it's not on a rppm. just purely random. which fucking blows.
lone junco
yeah. thats why i stopped playing sub
strange python
quin ResidentSleeper
primal sphinx
A&A WutFace
ocean rain
Whoever picks questions should kys 😃
grave elk
is anyone making a void elf rogue??
onyx rock
Guys someone here payed with SEPA on EU ?
lone junco
I liked when qwinn was playing with Nibren and getting dumpstered by like 400k on heroic Avatar
strange python
filthy alliance
nightborne rogue is where it's at
we have... flowers.. and stuff
void elves are just edgelords
lone junco
does arcane torrent exist in bfa?
spice surge
Afaik its only been nerfed to 2 min cd
strange python
IIRC
spice surge
Maybe 2.5, idk
lone junco
lolol
strange python
yeah they may have changed it
spice surge
The point was, they nerfed the cd but kept the effect the same
strange python
what about sept 21?
rotund pier
man flat 5% dmg racial increase for void elves is fucking ridiculous
that better get nerfed
rotund pier
5% is a good trinket or lege
strange python
so it's like any other 1% more damage racial
lone junco
205 is a lot
strange python
obviously damage spikes make a bigger deal
keen inlet
Pray 4 PB
gaunt moat
i heard this game has some pve aspects, is this true?
strange python
idk, nightborne gets 1% more magic damage, which affects all our nature damage right?
topaz axle
@strange python wiith the mastery changes nightborne racial is already nerfed
strange python
thought in the end what do racials even matter
what do you mean
it doesn't buff bleeds I guess
topaz axle
if the mastery changes go live, they will not amplify poison nearly as much as it does and bleed is physical
strange python
right right
rotund pier
5% flat dmg for void elves is a big deal
lunar coral
Flat? Isn’t it chance? So it comes out to around 1% by you can try playing around the proc for spikes?
rotund pier
when it procs its flat 5% for the 12s
vapid moth
is anyone else having trouble logging into the game
spice surge
Yeah id like to play a monk too, but i dont have any legendaries for it 😄
3 mage legendaries 🤔
lone junco
our raid full of 15 leather is going to be amazing.
i only play 1 at a time these days.
strange python
my guild was overrun by melee weather wearers.
vapid moth
the game legit crashes everytime i go inside
lean hill
You get a boost with prepurchase?
strange python
yes
lone junco
immediate. but I would wait till closer to launch.
lean hill
Guess I'll get to use those 5 hunter tokens
rotund pier
same @vapid moth
game is fucked for a lot of people right now
tons of people can't log in and crashes etc
vapid moth
ty at least one person is able to respond
rotund pier
general forums and bug forums have a lot of reports
lone junco
@gaunt moat LOLOL
Twitter
gaunt moat
lol
strange python
I would pay more attention to it if I were him. pvp wow as we knew it is gone.
lone junco
@zealous dew you still hanging on to 3dp 3pk?
vapid moth
the prepurchase doesnt come with a race change as well does it
vapid moth
it does?
rotund pier
@vapid moth it does not
vapid moth
tragic
zealous dew
no clue man
rotund pier
it should tbh, i'd take a free race change over a free 110 boost #fuckalts
vapid moth
yeah for real
lone junco
vapid moth
we should go to the forums and demand it
topaz axle
a queue to buy the game 🤔
lone junco
@zealous dew how is the Pk holding up for you in M+? 2nd dmg or like 5th
drifting cosmos
nb the new master race?
strange python
yes
drifting cosmos
i mean apart from aoe silence in m+, nb seems pretty good with 1% m-dmg
marble hemlock
10-14% depending on dungeon/pb procs seems about right
vapid moth
what is this about the void elf damage boost?
strange python
their racial is a 12 second 5% damage boost proc with a 60 second internal cd
assa rouge in mutli target is dps low ?
so roughly 20% uptime.
zealous dew
cleave is great, aoe is bad
strange python
multi target, as in cleave? hell naw. raw aoe? yarp
zealous dew
well bad
marble hemlock
burst aoe is garbage, sicne you can usually expect 1-2 bombs per aoe its competitive for sustained-aoe, but its the consistency thats missing
strange python
also, am I the only one who thoroughly disagrees with this "bring the class, not the player" thing
zealous dew
well
hollow barn
did someone say mastery changes?
strange python
maybe it is hypocritical to say as a rogue
marble hemlock
unless you want to homogenize all the classes to very high extent, some classes will always be better than others
for any given type of content
strange python
@Dhadgar in bfa, mastery scales with poisons and bleeds.
I feel like we already had a lot of "bring the class not the player" in legion
yet they want to push that more?
timber crow
Anyone know a fight similar to High command to sim in raidbots?
strange python
I don't think you can sim a major aoe/cleave scenario.
Could be wrong, as I've never tried
marble hemlock
blizzard is notoriously bad at figuring out why certain classes are preferred to others
strange python
when i play M+ and when much adds iam dps is lower then tank
gs 963
I prefer not to take an 'armchair class designer' standpoint
marble hemlock
its true though, just a few days ago they were talking about how nowadays a lot of classes have an aoe stun, so according to them choosing what class to bring to a dungeon isnt about having a stun anymore, but who does the most dps
strange python
wasn't trying to be rude there.
marble hemlock
which is nonsense, because barely any of the toptier m+ classes right now have a stun, and those that have one are not taken because they have a stun, but because they do insane overall dps - WW/MM
strange python
hmm maybe I read that wrong
marble hemlock
so why take that away from some of them? youre not gonna take a DH over a WW even if WW wouldnt have a stun
strange python
but you said according to them, it's about dps
and then you said the top m+ classes just have insane dps
so they're right
🤔
marble hemlock
yeah, because they think so many classes have access to utility, that from all those classes you take the ones with the biggest dps
marble hemlock
well, not that many classes have a proper aoe stun in the first place, yes
wind rain
does posion damage count as magical damage for the nightborne racial?
marble hemlock
its only hdh, warrior and monk, warlock stun is only 2seconds and binding needs a knockback/grip/aoe silence to work on the important mobs
spice surge
Yes Coco
strange python
yes it's magic dmg
wind rain
cool ty
spice surge
Havoc doesnt have a stun in bfa
rocky cypress
Hmm, better then human?
strange python
well that's odd
marble hemlock
well, it makes sense from their point of view
strange python
they have no utility otherwise
marble hemlock
they want to limit the utility to few classes
strange python
anny one notice that sometimes when u vanish with 5cp and do rupture, it aply a 8 sec rupture?
spice surge
It was silly to be able to stunlock and entire pack by yourself anyway
marble hemlock
problem with that is, that the strongest type of utility is limited to exactly 1 class, which is why you see them all the time
rocky cypress
Any idea Yet if void elf is better then human now for DPS?
strange python
not sure if stunlock is the right word
that implies chain cc where the mobs cant do anything
marble hemlock
wat?
spice surge
If they're not super unlucky
strange python
so it gets reduced cd in some way? I don't play dh
spice surge
Yes, every soul you pickup reduces cd, and when there is a lot of mobs you get a lot of souls
frosty pagoda
^
frosty pagoda
yes
marble hemlock
you still need to proc an insane amount of souls for fots to reduce chaosnova cd that much
frosty pagoda
funny actually with uh t20
was stun back out don't pick up souls eye beam pick up orbs while blade dancing
stun again
real fun
spice surge
Yeah you need insane luck to procc it if theres only like 3 mobs
marble hemlock
you still wouldnt want to take a hdh into a highkey, even with him providing 3 stuns until theyre immune :p
spice surge
But if you're pulling all spiders in arcway for example, its almost 100% to get it
frosty pagoda
yeah
spice surge
Dhs are fine though
marble hemlock
which was my original point, blizzard oftentimes focuses on stuff thats not the actual issue - i.e. pruning utility in order to make people think more about who to take into their grp
regal moss
sin rogues lose their weapon by killing off all afflocks, mark my words
keen inlet
hah
marble hemlock
"When multiple people are bringing an AoE stun, one of them will be the best, so you will just want to bring that one."
like that quote
frosty pagoda
are boots only good with 3 vendetta relics?
marble hemlock
is bullshit. you bring the one that has the highest dps-ceiling while providing a stun
frosty pagoda
which puts you into bleed im assuming with bracers
primal sphinx
aff locks getting flayed confirmed
strange python
good
keen inlet
"No king rules forever"
strange python
I'm glad you are getting some entertainment from this
gilded oasis
Don, I live for your Ion screen shots
lone junco
@frosty pagoda assuming poison, bracer boots are good with 1 2 3 ma. shoulder bracer are good with 1 3 ma.
wise star
"so the current thinking is to not let weapons Titanforge, only Warforge." hallelujah
keen inlet
weapons are weapons, dual weapons (like daggers) should drop in pairs
lone junco
ayy
fallow canopy
do we have sims for the new races?
lone junco
😐
strange python
im guessing no
fallow canopy
i feel like the 5% buff may be ish a gain but i dream of the nightborne aoe thing for M+
strange python
you dream of 1% more damage 🤔
fallow canopy
the aoe use? for M+ looks sick
strange python
oh, the arcane pulse thing?
strange python
huh?
wise star
but it alrdy made it
fallow canopy
the aoe lasts 20 seconds i think
plain thistle
strange python
how hard does it hit?
fallow canopy
some agi multiplier
spice surge
If anything that makes sin worse 😄
strange python
you know its gonna hit for like. 20k
spice surge
Compared to sub that is
keen inlet
Race sims are now on HeroDamage.
Do remember that some of the passives are still WIP.
strange python
thank you based don
spice surge
Well yeah sin is fine, but subs burst aoe is just better
fallow canopy
and sins sustained aoe is better, so in high keys sin is therefor better...
unless you're fuckin miracle step
idk how he does the damage he does....
dusky rune
that void elf demonic circle racial is pretty neat
strange python
you should change your name to 4 character slots
lone junco
I should afk till this bfa talk is over. I dont care about lore argle bargle.
dusky rune
Just stare at sylvanas hazzikostas in the background
solar fog
Ion best dad
daring gazelle
do i sacrafice 505 mastery and 700 versatility for 1000 agility
lone junco
If you use raidbots dot com to sim your stat weights, or gear compare. or talent compare
you wont need to ask.
wise frigate
exotic geode
^ so nightborne increased spell dmg = increased psn dmg so we all rolling mana fiends huh
main blaze
The nightborne racial might be all damage
lone junco
is that horde?
main blaze
Nightborne is horde