fok.
#assassination
lone junco
warm parcel
3x4 is 12 yes
hardy pewter
if you got 4 targets with dots you will have infinite energy, no need for any maths
even 2 will give you everything you need
lone junco
I dont have the exact verbage of the bonus, but for some reason I didnt think about the tick crits, just the hit crits.
gleaming wolf
Ye okay cuz I had a discussion with a guy saying you only get energy from the guy you're targeting
lone junco
tick rate is what, 2sec?
quaint umbra
gleaming wolf
lone junco
i guess thus is the reason the high crit range feelsgoodman. E flood is nice.
hardy pewter
I feel the spec is overflowing with resources often, we get way too much to use
at least its not as slow as it used to be
lone junco
6cp helps.
did some shoulder tb with lower crit. oy. played like mud.
opener was strong as fuck though
lapis shale
Hi guys I just got boots, how good are them?
lone junco
them good
lapis shale
Well, I guess that after I got Sephuz isnt a bad legendary :p
versed shore
evening everyone
desert vault
What number of envenoms should be cast after Vanish, 3?
strange python
All of them
desert vault
ok, yeah that is what I'm getting as well, cool
lone junco
hoary copper
The crit life
desert vault
And the whole clipping envenom at 1s while KB is up is not as big of a deal now as it used to be?
strange python
You should aim for 100% envenom uptime
lone junco
additional stacks of dp, during kb, is your damage.
so do that
final tick of KB occurs at the end.
strange python
🤯
lone junco
🤯
desert vault
I guess I'm used to last tier when there seemed to be a ton of time spent pooling as Sin, not as much with this tier it feels like
lone junco
we have e return from the tier
versed shore
I had a look at the stickeys and online guide but having trouble with stats. For poison build Mastery->crit are the goto's, but is there an upper limit where it becomes better to focus on other stats? Or just get as much as possible?
strange python
Sim it
versed shore
I have /simc and pawn installed and it still has ilvl above stats as the highest dps changer
lone junco
@versed shore good stats would be like 28-33 crit and 170-200 mastery
if you are like 905 ilvl then i cant help you.
lapis shale
The stats depends on your legendaries and the rest of your gear, the best way to find out your stats is simming yourself
desert vault
I need to shed some dang vers, gear is still so Sub heavy with stats.
versed shore
thanks Noobe! my 924 ilvl set has around 30% crit and 160% master, but my 930 gear has 22% - 130%...but still outsims it by about 5k dps
lapis shale
Start simming when you are 930 ilvl
versed shore
I haven't played serious since Wrath days where we used IMBA to gear and stat compare to others. Warcraftlogs has helped a lot.
strange python
Google raidbots
versed shore
on it, cheers
desert vault
I need a crit/mast ring or neck tomorrow something serious
make my life so much better as Sin, well replacing my 910 relic wouldn't be bad either 😦
strange python
I never got minute mirror
versed shore
oh cool! Raidbots uses the /simc dump. nice!
shrewd oriole
my second ring is pretty dogshit as well
strange python
Np
desert vault
Two week, 11 seals on Kingaroth = 0 tiered gloves
hoary copper
I keep getting haste mastery gear. I think the game wants me to be an outlul
shrewd oriole
I used around the same on imonar
desert vault
Yeah, I went on tilt
shrewd oriole
on first and second week of heroic
grim jay
Every twink has all 6 pieces by now
shrewd oriole
ended up getting it on like my 11th coin
desert vault
I just went off on Kingaroth cause I'm so pissed they won't drop
shrewd oriole
haste mastery isnt good for outlaw..
mastery sucks lol
yeah I have decent off piece gloves from coven so dont need tier gloves
hoary copper
thought haste was good for them
desert vault
I've got 930 t21 legs and 925 garbage gloves. 970 crit/mast pants in bag waiting for stupid t21 gloves
hoary copper
ah
shrewd oriole
a mastery haste piece is as bad for assa as it is for outlaw
hoary copper
I have a bunch of haste crit and haste verse things too, I just hoard all the gear I dont use in case I need them
shrewd oriole
life's a beautiful thing
Haste vers is bis iirc
havent simmed myself in a while in outlaw gear
hoary copper
my bags are ocd persons worse nightmare
shrewd oriole
ahaha I hoard everything as well
hoary copper
Its worse on druid with 4 possible specs
lone junco
@versed shore when you do simming, make sure to have "relative difference" turned on. and dont deviate from the projected meta for less than like 1%.
i have a few sim builds that are relatively equal. and I pick the best one for that fight or condition.
and if you run a https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/stats you can post the result. Ill peek at it.
strange python
@keen inlet I summon you, great Captain of the memelaw, god of swords, master of Mythic+, professional outLUL.
Just for a chat about life
lone junco
strange python
Looking pretty good
keen inlet
I am here
strange python
IT WORKED
keen inlet
strange python
It’s the Cap
dire spoke
👀
dire spoke
who is this Lad 🤷
lone junco
I was gone for 4 days and people were like. "who is this new guy, and why is his name red"
keen inlet
I do
dire spoke
kekelel
strange python
😊
keen inlet
Sorry I'm at work, I was working 14+ hour days on a trip all last week
so today's a bit of a shitshow at the office
gaunt moat
maybe easier to recognize if you'd have a red name 🤔
strange python
Hey 😉
gaunt moat
i think jose is just saying that to make you feel better
strange python
Oh
dire spoke
v i s u a l
strange python
Good luck today Jose
strange python
Oh ye you played exang right?
And we were all laughing at you
And now people do it
open arrow
Should I fok at 4 cb pts instead of multilate
strange python
I was a good rogue btw, I teamed up in a sport with someone and in the end I backstabbed him to win
spice surge
Nah not really. The difference is very minor, but its not worth the effort (as in, not foking is better) @open arrow
open arrow
Only reason I ask is fok is 35 energy and wouldn’t over cap energy
Instead of a 55 energy and potential 2 pt overcap
dire spoke
why not evis on 4
open arrow
Thought someone said it wasent worth it to envenom
dire spoke
Well call this mate a spoon then 👌
open arrow
what?
strange python
Aim for 100% uptime btw
dire spoke
Giggle 👺
pure sparrow
just envenom at 4
open arrow
okay
strange python
Oh shit, tumna
fervent beacon
Didn't Tumna leave this discord?
strange python
Cant get into a guild cause he didnt TB on CD
dire spoke
:<
gaunt moat
tumna leaves and joines every other day
fervent beacon
fervent beacon
quick talon
atleast for us it was
fervent beacon
There need to be an exsang for noobe
strange python
Nightstalker vs subterfuge in M+ ?
grim jay
whatever floats your boat
plain thistle
NS
you dont usually garrote in large packs
its better to use NS with shoulder+bracer for AoE packs, and for that setup, garrote is a dps loss
strange python
Aren't I supposed to use FoK cloak for dungeons?
grave escarp
not for sin
edgy anvil
if stuff dies super fast might as well go sub cause ass is shit at that
strange python
JHONWEI
plain thistle
hi
strange python
Hmm I guess
❤️
I missed you
So I should use bracers and shoulders for M+ in higher keys then same as in raids?
grave escarp
feel like fan doesnt do as much as a stealth ss
plain thistle
lol
spice surge
Cloak is pretty useful for the first pull of the dungeon, especially if you vanish+swap gearsets midpull
and/or after a lengthy run/rp
strange python
But otherwise bracers&mantle is bis for M+ ?
autumn sierra
vigor or deeper as talent?
edgy anvil
vigor
autumn sierra
why?
edgy anvil
sims best, that's about it
fervent beacon
If you're running legendary helm, DS ideally should pull ahead
lone junco
@keen inlet me and Master McPoisonLoad pretty sure thats it.
i have seen zero logs from anyone else.
undone lodge
just got shoulder & Vest T21, currently am using mantle & Bracers, should is use the T21 pcs or stick with current equipped gear?
is - i...typo
lone junco
4p is very very strong. But I dont know what your current equipped gear is. so run the gear compare. or 2 quick sims of the setups.
undone lodge
@lone junco this is my current gear https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/ravenholdt/alianova
so after i changed to 2 pcs T21 i should be using boots & Bracers leggos
strange python
don't use quick sim
hoary copper
Did you sim it Alian? probably more accurate than feelycraft here
strange python
get the simc addon... oh
hoary copper
What did you sim for before?
strange python
my sims seem to be almost exactly what i normally do
hoary copper
that's...a big change. Are you naked?
fervent kettle
if rupture is about to expire and you have 4 cp do you muti for 5 or rupture with 4 ?
strange python
maybe you logged out with the fishing pole on
desert vault
I'll roll with that, I dunno what's going on. Might have some settings wrong in raidbots
lone junco
never mut on 4.
strange python
you rupture with 4
lone junco
so you can Refresh garrote, or tb or kb or just finish
strange python
well. I do
cerulean depot
#tc-research mentioned apl changes
fervent kettle
ok
lone junco
grats on gloves
desert vault
heh
hoary copper
mine sims the same so idk what you're doin
strange python
hey man. I have never seen a Fang trinket drop. ever.
desert vault
Yeah just 30 ilvls lower
lone junco
@strange python i have 3x. will trade one for a >930 eoc
undone lodge
@lone junco geez..........
cerulean depot
Wts my alt's 965 eoc
desert vault
So 200% mast pretty good. Just need to try and bump crit from 27% at this point? Need to get rid of vers/mast neck and ring hopefully.
undone lodge
i got 4 T20 and 2 T20
strange python
@lone junco deal. Except, I don't have an eoc either
lone junco
then 4p2p bracer boot would be fine.
undone lodge
@strange python you mean Shadow- Singed Fangs trinkets?
lone junco
with subterfuge
undone lodge
@lone junco will it change the current opener?
strange python
yes
lone junco
@undone lodge just put on the gear and run the talent sim. 4p2p bracer boot . 1233211
strange python
awesome
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
undone lodge
ah okay...coz it's still behind CoF and Arcano
undone lodge
@lone junco there you go
strange python
no you shouldn't
hoary copper
We sim almost the same Alian, ilvl 940ish?
undone lodge
@hoary copper nope, 932
drowsy kettle
I use soul and quest ring in my rogue
strange python
yikes
drowsy kettle
Only bout 1.1m
latent grove
What crit would make my energy regen feel a little better if I'm running just 4p t21, shoulders and helm?
urban storm
Any crit would give more energy
undone lodge
@hoary copper may i see your armory?
urban storm
Sin will have to pool energy regardless
strange python
The APL doesn't pool for much of anything, actually.
keen hound
bracers+boots vs. bracers+shoulders?
strange python
you should be getting roughly 180-200 energy a min from the 4 piece
@keen hound the only answer it to sim it my dude. they are close
pure sparrow
The things i would do for a H+ shadow fang
strange python
same.
pure sparrow
I'd probably blow metzen ngl
strange python
im still using a 935 mastery stick.
plain thistle
lol
pure sparrow
I've got the worst accessories in the world. like basic 910 argunite shit
latent grove
Can you check logs to see how much energy you regened from t21?
latent grove
Oh cool thanks
strange python
the default is hit points. need to change it.
hoary copper
@undone lodge can't link it at work (blocks anything gaming) and phone died. I have low mastery too. I just havent had luck for drops
strange python
also a good tool to see if you are wasting any energy.
keen hound
does sim have a hard time w/ bracers?
strange python
"hard time"?
keen hound
calculating the value of them
strange python
I don't think so
keen hound
b/c i sim and it says shoulders / boots lol
undone lodge
@hoary copper go for mastery then, i got about 192% mastery once i had 221%
hoary copper
Well its not like Im not disregarding mastery, or not "going for" it. Just hasnt dropped
undone lodge
you should go with crafted gear artho
hoary copper
Not worth to drop the ilvl for crafted gear, the agi makes up for that
undone lodge
there were tons of mastery dropped i guess
strange python
only one crafted piece worth using 🤔
undone lodge
ah okay
hoary copper
Not to mention the cost
strange python
All sims have some % error
no two sims, even with the same gear, will be the exact same
I suggest doing more iterations.
hoary copper
.2 and .3% are statistically the same
strange python
my margin of error is 100% 🙃
undone lodge
LOL
plain thistle
🤔
undone lodge
here;s my setting, is it good enough?
strange python
looks alright. 7 minutes is odd though.
cerulean aspen
just use the default setting
strange python
what patchwerk fight lasts 7 minutes for you?
cerulean aspen
5 minutes
strange python
Well if your fights are seven minutes long then no... but people usually sim at 5 min
cerulean aspen
it's not too much, but if you want to compare to other people's sims, it won't be the same frame of reference
undone lodge
ah ok ok
pure sparrow
I'm trash at Vari. What should i show you on my Warcraft Logs for you all to rip me up sufficiently and explain why im trash at Vari
strange python
just link the logs I can take a look.
i dont bite. some others in here might though.
strange python
looks fine to me. You didn't waste any combo points or energy. Your debuff timers are great, envenom uptime is fine. Looks like you did 1.2m with horrendous legendaries and sub-par gear at 938, I think you are fine
pure sparrow
Its my worst Ilvl parce by far, which is why i assumed I must be trash at it
i guess ilvl parce % isn't everything
thank you btw ❤
strange python
well, you have less than 10k mastery
etc etc
once you get better legendaries and gear things will pick up
mental aurora
Yeah imo if you do the mechanics and deal decent damage, parce % shouldn’t really matter. I don’t care how good I am compared to mythic raiders, I get the job done in my guild runs and that’s good enough for me.
undone lodge
and my mastery just went down by 10% :sad:
pure sparrow
Hopefully i can pick up mantle soon
strange python
when I was at ilvl 938 I already had my bis legendaries
strange python
ouch
cerulean aspen
you want to vanish -> rupture without mantle, not env i believe
undone lodge
i got them since 920
mental aurora
I got mantle yesterday from a blingtron box. I knew grinding out engineering was worth it
strange python
yeah I would vanish rupture
sorry I did not look at that specifically
with such low mastery and no shoulders, vanish envenom doesn't do much
pure sparrow
Good to know, the ravenholdt guide only had no mantle no beavers Subterfuge rotation, and I run NS, so I’ve been confused
mental aurora
Bracers are pretty good. Talent ring isn’t terrible if you don’t have any other option
hoary copper
yea, I was surprised KBW sims higher, maybe if I could get a decent EOC to drop or a decent trinket it wouldnt
spare nebula
So are overall and ilvl parse % for assa still showing tons of FoK?
strange python
yes
the logs from the first fok bug from early late december/early jan are still there
spare nebula
thats what i figured
i know im not perfect and dont have 75 points in my weapon, but I didn't think I was doing grey/green parse-worth damage ha
lean hill
Any of you long time sinners know why mantle/boots keeps simming higher than mantle/wrists?
hoary copper
a balance druid in my guild tried to tell me I was crap and I pointed out his highest parse was a 25% from logs and he said thats because he just didnt care but he was better than me cause he did pet battles. People are fun
mossy light
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
spice surge
Fok parses doesnt matter much now though
You should be doing more
and there is very few dpgate mythic logs
undone lodge
well gotta go...thanks @strange python , Thanks @lone junco
strange python
anytime
spare nebula
@spice surge talking mostly about heroic logs. Mythic logs are looking ok for the most part.
It could also be that I was running heroic with mostly guild alts but I'm like 966 ilvl so a lot of the higher parses are with full 965+ groups
so kill times were like ... half
ha
acoustic laurel
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
strange python
Any memes ? Have to wait 20 min for the bus
would anyone mind looking at my varimathras log for me? i'm not sure if i'm not pooling enough for kingsbane/toxic blade and thats why my dps is so shit. my guild has weird kill times around 4:30 so it kinda gets rough to line up cds for 3rd vanish
balmy condor
I gotchu
shrewd notch
i'm not sure i'd use the word shit
strange python
You do 100% more dmg than me
weak badge
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
lone dirge
when it says FOK what do they mean?
magic zenith
tepid ridge
hi guys what's the best race for an assassination rogue Ally sided? (don't bully pls 😄 )
summer glen
human
tepid ridge
ok and what about dwarf?
urban storm
Human gives 2% bonus on all secondary stats, which will be great until the stat squish
tepid ridge
he's human and I'm doing mythic raid so I guess he'll stay like this
thanks for the answer guys 😃
pure sparrow
Anyone but Nelf
plain thistle
last time I checked it was dwarf
lone junco
@undone lodge that sim you posted was 3p2p due to crafted hat.
urban storm
What does dwarf get?
lethal heart
!opener
tepid ridge
so dwarf or human? xD
lost horizon
I mean I'm just saying, shadowmeld is legit in M+
lost horizon
He's ally though
jovial kite
dwarf
viral jackal
Question on kingorath, is it best to save vend for add phases when they take increased damage or use in on cd?
strange python
you can use boots and save vend for first add then do boss->add->boss->add
with bracers just save it for every single one
lone junco
if you use shoulder bracer, just use your vanish on the adds. and get 2xbombs in each shoulder 👌
oh. and nail a fat TB/KB alignment
vapid moth
When the boss dies 10 seconds before your vanish vendetta envenom comes up
viral jackal
I wish I had boots for that fight. I considered dropping my 960 fang and putting on my 900 CoF which makes me vendetta CD 1 minute or so, that way I can do the boss->add->boss->add. I just wonder if lining up vendetta's would be worth the procs from fang.
lone junco
pretty sure ive seen some strong logs that just delay vanish vendetta for the add. and no vendetta between. Ill check again.
@viral jackal it works fine. non boot
tb and kb throughout the fight, and save for add just prior.
magic mural
Would it be reasonable to play shoulder + bracers, and equip CoF (925), assuming I only have 1 MA relic? Because I really love bracers, vanish, just lines up too well with adds, but that vendetta timing ist awkward :/ would unequip 960 ssf then
viral jackal
Interesting. That's what I've been doing thus far so I'm glad to see I was making a good call.
quick talon
viral jackal
That's what I was wondering too, Nils. I have a CoF as well and it'd line up perfectly, but I haven't tested it or dug through logs to see if its optimal
lone junco
I use 3ma and boot. and it aligns "perfectly"
balmy condor
Sinister circulation made it rip :( and then boot nerfs
turbid harbor
exsang 🤢
lone junco
2min shoulder alignment for the adds is probably better than more vendettas
quick talon
tbh on heroic I dont even think exsang would be worth it
atleast when i run it with my guild
lone junco
I did have a 27M single rupture on Garothi.
it fluxes based on Conc. and bota. but still a nice rip.
if something dies in less than 16 sec, I guess yeah. dont put a sin rogue on it.
obtuse cedar
I've got a question about MM+, is it worth going Mantle/bracers or boots and drop 4T21 to go 2T20/2T21 ?
lone junco
almost all M+ is going to be Shoulder /bracer. some notable diff are non bracer fights like Odyn and Helya.
Odyn is belt. and helya boot.
obtuse cedar
And what about tier pieces ?
lone junco
unless you are getting gibbed then Shoulder Prydaz.
obtuse cedar
I know taht's mostly based on item level
lone junco
4p21 is very good. so do that. - shoulder
lucid terrace
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
obtuse cedar
Ok, thank you for your advices
lean hill
Noobe how fast does your vendetta come back? A minute?
wise frigate
Think he said he averages like 40-50 seconds?
lean hill
Vendetta keeps coming up 20-30 seconds before vanish at the moment, annoying as hell but better than grinding for relics
lone junco
vendetta and exang are on the same timer.
so 45 sec is about right.
I normally fire off the vendetta a few ticks before to get the mut mut vanish rupture exang
strange python
these hearthstone nerfs though monkaS
lone junco
@lean hill vendetta 25 sec before vanish is prob a symptom of the 2MA and shoulders. your vendetta ends before vanish, you delay vanish for a whole 1:15 ish. and push one off the end of the fight.
sudden trench
I have a question, looking at some logs trying to work out the best opener for Assasin at the moment. I can see quite a few players doing Vendetta and Kingsbane on pull - and not garrotte. What is the current top opener for raids etc
lone junco
nothing matters anyway. just get more pb.
strange python
I think the sim thought it did more damage than in actuality.
lone junco
yeah ns was buffing too much of the KB.
strange python
The sim opens with vendetta because its off cd just before the 5 min marker
So it is more sim dps
strange python
I could have sworn someone said something like that
warm parcel
that whoever was incorrect
strange python
rip
lone junco
and both are probably very similar averages.
spice surge
The sim duration varies by 20% on default
strange python
What?
worldly temple
how good are the boots
warm parcel
The lenght doesnt really matter how you might think it does
strange python
That's a big gap.
lone junco
3 sec of vendet over e cap is what 0.1-0.2% diff?
warm parcel
Big enough to be meaningful
lone junco
I like my exang rotation enough to forsake 30k damage from the Shoulder Bracer. so i guess people do crazy things
bleed is high under current relics, but if i drop 2 vendetta I can gain 30k.
not going to happen
Ill buy that 1%
strange python
Evenin’
lone junco
and have a good day, whether you want to or not.
keen inlet
🔨 TUMBLR FORCE ASSEMBLE 🔨
wise frigate
keen inlet
lone junco
outlaw change colour again
wise frigate
No? Same goldenrod it always has been.
lone junco
seems darker yellow.
wise frigate
👁
lone junco
@strange python
lean hill
@lone junco I only have 1 MA relic at the moment. So use vendetta and then sit on vanish for the next?
lean hill
Me?
lean hill
No in general
lone junco
in general : use vendetta tb and Kb on cd. hold vanish for vendetta. and if you can hold tb for a few seconds prior to that vanish, then 👌
but delay of vanish vendetta is bad.
lean hill
But delay of vanish not so bad?
lone junco
in a patchwork sim that is the case. I will adjust around fight mechanics. obv dont vendetta going into a phase change or something.
lean hill
Yea I'm looking at it in a vacuum
lone junco
vendetta is pretty long, so if your vendetta is ready but vanish isnt. fire away. if vanish comes up during vendetta then 👌
lean hill
Wait I confused myself
Vanish is up.... and vendetta has like 20-30 left
Just hold it then?
lone junco
hold vanish. unless fight is about 19 sec ttd
lean hill
Lol yea of course
lone junco
with shoulders specifcially vanish vendetta is your juice.
lean hill
I've had a lot lately where vendetta comes up at like 3% so I just pump out finishers lol
lone junco
sure.
you can always check your apl scripting. and if that doesnt match what you think should happen, ask.
hoary copper
I've only gotten that to drop once among all my characters and its 915
lone junco
@shrewd oriole LFR. oy shit.
shrewd oriole
it's not even a photoshop
like
wtf is blizzard doing LOL
he has never done anything above lfr
kill me
hoary copper
I didnt even notice the LFR part
lone junco
and a socket
shrewd oriole
and a mother fucking socket
hoary copper
I dont think I've ever seen anything tf that high from lfr
lean hill
Thanks noobe, I was playing boots because I was too lazy to hold vanish for execute but I'll hold off for vendetta. I'm assuming with 2 more ma I'd have less of a gap between them
shrewd oriole
dont have 2 mas
lean hill
3
calm grail
I guess I should slog through more LFR 🤔
lean hill
That's why it matters lol
shrewd oriole
toxic
lone junco
strange python
bleh
lone junco
@calm grail supreme court ruled that cartoons and video games are not responsible for personal actions.
strange python
rip
zinc egret
Is the FOK Build Dead at the moment cause of PK bug ?
zinc egret
Oh if that's in that way xD stupid question from me 😄
wise frigate
dire spoke
👀
zinc egret
rose sparrow
what are our bis relics
strange python
!relics
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List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
flint fable
strange python
whoops thought I was in there
hazy skiff
Anybody know if gnawed thumb ring is worth it to try and farm for? For perspective, I’m 966 ilvl sitting at 18.5k mastery
strange python
anyone wanna lend me EoC, ill return it i promise
im happy w/ 945 fang and 975 GO, i just wanna try it out man. 😉
the nibble ring? Noobe swears by it
strange python
nibble ring eh?
lone junco
lots of multipliers going on.
and btw. the apl is dumb and fires it off blind
so dont do that.
So the sim is bad for it at 3:00
i have it up here actually
use at shoulders not just fucking willy nilly.
dire spoke
APL not broken in 2018 LUL
hazy skiff
I was thinking gnawed thumb ring stacked with vendetta + shoulders would be amazing thanks for the insight guys!
Time to start farming while this weeks m+ is ez pz
lone junco
not sure how to sim the bonus. but if you had a 30 sec fight. you could compare the outputs.
hazy skiff
I’m assuming gnawed thumb ring is amazing on mythic kin with all the stacking multipliers
lone junco
my real q. would be buff the KB hit and vanish env string. OR. buff the end of KB and vanish env string.
its a good ring either way
hazy skiff
WOW must be nice
lone junco
nice of them to make it 12s.
civic palm
Why not... 14? :3
lone junco
16 + phys would be fine by me.
civic palm
Yarr
lone junco
so anyway. at 12s you get the TB KB and Env. or you Kb . . . . . . . .Ring Tb Vanish Env mut env mut env.
and catch the tail.
devout hollow
I want to push M+ as Ass, or should I gear Sub instead?
zealous dew
define push
zealous dew
sub
hazy skiff
I personally like sub more than ass because of consistency
Unless you get super rng on poison bombs
lost horizon
Priority target bursttt
zealous dew
sub is reliable, sin is not
spice surge
Had a 4% wipe after 30 mins
devout hollow
zealous dew
i mean overall sin dps is not that far
zealous dew
but when you need to burn stuff it's just does it proc or not ?
lone junco
There is a symbol cdr now. so im not sure on the timing.
lost horizon
~25s ST
lone junco
that is nice.
lost horizon
20s for DFA
lone junco
if my avg exang rupture were 20M. it would still be 45 sec apart.
lost horizon
On AoE you can get your combo down to DFA CD
lone junco
and no bomb cleave from the shoudler
vendetta is just dumb for cleave.
self buffs >>
is there a mosh 2p2p non dfa yet?
lost horizon
Yeah the fact that all of sin CDs are ST debuffs is pretty gross
lone junco
ish
lost horizon
I guess aside from shoulders
lost horizon
I wish you could get some kind of cooldown refund if target dies with one of your big CDs on it
zealous dew
take for example EoA 2nd boss, you keep blobs up for sub does insane boss dmg, for sin it's just free energy to spam more envenom
or dragon dht
lost horizon
Ex: target dies with half vendetta duration remaining, take off like a quarter of the cooldown
jovial kite
just give us the aoe exsanguinate
lost horizon
Oh snap that'd be cool
lone junco
@lost horizon you get like 50-90E refund when they die with rupture. but yeah. cdr based on vendetta uptime.
lone junco
nah. Exang on the CT
lost horizon
@lone junco yeah that's what I'm basing it off
lone junco
aoe exang.
lone junco
Tab rupture 5x and rip.
hazy skiff
What about just getting a guaranteed poison bomb on first finisher out of stealth?
zealous dew
too op with mantle
since you fok envenom as opener you have 3s crit
then fok vanish env another 3s crit
lost horizon
Yeah that'd be a pretty disgusting amount of burst on every pull
Also wtf is CT @lone junco
shrewd oriole
might come back
lone junco
@zealous dew yeah. I love the shoulder bomb. too good to pass up. but sucks to get < 1% bomb on massive trash pulls.
lost horizon
I could dig it
lone junco
Upper tyrannical is my exang jam.
I guess it all performs about the same.
I tried Outlaw again. oy. so much work for mark spam and still dont beat a shoulder bomb opener.
lost horizon
I dipped my toes into exang right at the end of tomb
It was really fun
But pain in the ass
lone junco
Bota fish for the vanish rupture is nice.
lost horizon
Needing 3ma and boots to line shit up
lone junco
mut rupture? mut rupture? y vendetta mut mut vanish rupture exang. 3-9sec of bota
i only bother at the bracer vanish, but it gives me something to do.
manic vigil
Never eoc, never lucky BabyRage
lost horizon
@manic vigil just run an assload of ukara
onyx falcon
I feel like you either get an EoC or an extra PB proc, can't have both, so you never get an EoC
lost horizon
With people specced melee that don't need it
onyx falcon
Well then there's the tank and OS pplz
lost horizon
I ran like a couple hundred Ukara it was horrible
But eventually got one for my tank and my rogue
First time I saw it drop was for an 890 feral that we basically hardcarried.. hurt so bad
tulip grotto
anyone here uses tmw, that can help me with a question?
onyx falcon
Had a 950 socketed dropped once... Tank wouldn't give cause he "might need it for OS"
lost horizon
Rough
inner socket
i have a 910 socket i got from vendor, havent seen anything better from upper
lone junco
:warrior that doesnt use crit:
lost horizon
Ran with a WW who got it at 955
onyx falcon
I luckily at least have a940
lost horizon
Couldn't trade it... But it was a big up for him too so nbd
worthy thistle
Ran a 16 today for weekly with 4 guildies who all specced agi dps for me and got a 950 eoc wth socket feelsgood
lost horizon
Needed EOC on my rogue and pally finally managed to get both
lone junco
I can see why people dont sim well with exang or ep. I swap a ring and neck, and they tank.
crit rate is key or gtfo
lone junco
mine is 100k +/- with one ring/neck.
Yeah. Im just keeping the 3 vendetta so I can flex. the rest is floating.
ideal 3vend 1bb 2dp
or something.
lost horizon
Do people actually parse with exang still?
I know in tomb it could do really well but I don't know what the rankings are like in antorus
lone junco
I do well for my ilvl. dont see much attempt at it at the high end.
I dont have a way to make someone play it with proper gear at 970 to see.
I did well on argus with the phys, then a bomb on nature. so that was cool.
lost horizon
Logs on mobile is such a pain
Those are solid parses, but has it been a while since you've cleared heroic? Or just gear fell behind?
lost horizon
I feel you
onyx falcon
Wait noobe you're coven M not H right?
lone junco
tbh, my goal was always 75% by ilvl. Im glad to be doing better. but we have some people in the greens. and it makes me so sad
H
onyx falcon
O.o
lone junco
we flex from 15-18 people
onyx falcon
You have AOTC from pugs at least?
lone junco
mythic?
lost horizon
Progress is on the raid not the player man
lone junco
I am raid lead so . ill take it.
onyx falcon
Yea have you not seen it noobe?
lone junco
nah.
lone junco
I cant make people with fire not die to the pulse at the end. and people with chain lightning just derp into each other.
onyx falcon
Something stupidly rediculou
lost horizon
Pk was nuts, but not 12h nuts
lone junco
I saw the portal with all the trash.
if our guild collapses in the time between argus and BFa. I will gladly raid mythic next tier
specifically 1 toon. I wont do split bullshit.
(fuck that. fixed roster is dead to me)
onyx falcon
Welp I can't say too much, so busy with work I don't raid, my guilds 9/11 M though
lone junco
is why im stuck at 1.93M instead of 2.2m
but im ok with a squashed output. just makes M+ harder at times.
onyx falcon
Well I mean only good tier piece you're missing is head
And Aggy doesn't rly drop anything good, the ring is decent
Coven drops sht
quick talon
coven drops nice hands
but thats just poison build
oh well should be decent for bleed, too
lone junco
I stack crit mastery
keen hound
I finally broke 2m! (I don't care that it's normal, normal garothi is the same for melee dps as Heroic! haha )
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dgZ1jPWr7YcNhMap#fight=4&type=damage-done
lone junco
nice
keen hound
I had alllll the poison bomb procs
lone junco
was like 100k over my sim at the time
inner socket
yours are almost double the dmg of his
keen hound
yeah he's bleed speced
I just meant the number of times it hit. I thought mine was a really high pb count but his is the same
lone junco
my very best got eaten by the Fok bug
lone junco
this is UNREAL luck
I took out the pk to flatten the peaks.
didnt rank, but would have been ilvl gold for sure.
lone junco
yeah. talk about gambling
keen hound
sub 30% bracers / shoulders envenom spam
lone junco
at least you get better output than outlaw
have you even looked at your sim Min/avg/max for shoulder/bracer?
the max is gross.
keen hound
nope
lone junco
my 1.9m avg has a 2.9m max.
keen hound
oO
lone junco
that is why we are seeing so many #1 parses that spec.
the gamble pays off.
avg, not much higher, but the top is huge
keen hound
how do i check that?
regal cape
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297984531665780736/403047221228077066/unknown.png now THESE are spikes Kappa
ashen fossil
I came late for the party, what's going on here? 😮
regal cape
They are discussing actual p[arses
keen hound
I'm excited because I finally parsed over 2m 😛
regal cape
I threw in a meme
keen hound
on garothi
I got shoulders yesterday from normal means of getting leggo
then got bracers today w/ 1k essence
regal cape
niceu
ashen fossil
That's lucky! Gratz man
keen hound
had been running boots /kjbw
regal cape
Rogue got boot/bracer 1st/2nd and mantle 5th but spriest is down to 4 left no sephuz 😃
lone junco
@regal cape I didnt catch the meme till after the raid. Went back to look and shit. wish i would have meemed it up like that.
timber scroll
I have all the sinner legendaries but one.....the wrists. till tomorrow.
keen hound
you getting that 1k essence tomorrow?
ashen fossil
Any news on the opener btw? Haven't been on all day.
timber scroll
ya, mythic chest will push me over
lone junco
dont open with kb
lean hill
Rng is rng. Spriest got mazanga second last. Holy priest got cape, garbage ring, prydaz, velens
As first 4
ashen fossil
We still opening with vendetta>garrote>normal opener?
lone junco
sure
keen hound
So how do I check the min/avg/max noobe?
lone junco
@regal cape based on the graph, you were like rotation then first fok and like wut.. 2nd fok WUT 225th fok LOLOOOOOL
ashen fossil
That was during the bug with PK?
regal cape
yea haha, I had been testing the interaction on a dummy before that since I sat for AHC and Dogs
I came in ready and even ran fire orbs
lone junco
@keen hound
that is in some weird gear and spec. so just check it yourself.
it also shows up in talent compare mousover.
when the sim has multiple profiles you can see the quartile bars. the mouseover has the min/avg/max
keen hound
👍
lone junco
@regal cape can you imagine AHC tho
ashen fossil
That's using SimulationCraft though, right?
lone junco
sure
keen hound
the dp would have dropped
lone junco
ah
ashen fossil
Ah ok, thanks @lone junco
regal cape
and consecutive FoK casts within a DP's lifespan
lone junco
that wasnt during NSDP tho. pk was just hitting too hard.
w/e
I was in exile from discord so i missed sharing the lols.
regal cape
keen hound
Just zoomed in on that huge spike i had Noobe
It wasn't even the envenom spam doing it
pb proc in the middle of it 😂
lone junco
3 fucking bombs
jesus
18 hits
such is the gamble.
I feel better about a 1cp rupture to get bota. than my luck with bombs.
lone junco
I would love to see a hemo bota fish work out. but the poison contribution is too important. unless i could predictably get 75% bota
regal cape
lone junco
is that shoulder bracer?
keen hound
yep
dire schooner
@regal cape GG. 77.07% RIDICULOUS LOL
lone junco
potate.
lone junco
ha
regal cape
in NH
lone junco
I had one week of outlaw in ToS.
regal cape
I was still on the fence at the time about full swapping
lone junco
was like lolnope
regal cape
I really liked the exsang playstyle being active and had hopes itd get buffs, but the scaling of AP was too damn good and the tier worked so well with it that I gave up
lone junco
the crit synergy with 2p and 4p 21 are nice. I like the higher crit metas.
lone junco
meh.
regal cape
Im more hoping they actually add haste scaling
lone junco
I would rather have hemo haste bleeds.
regal cape
like they said they might
lone junco
would be nice if lust did something valuable.
regal cape
Not only that but IF they wanted to preserve the idea of bleed or poison
hardy pewter
had a try on aggra where I was dpsing 300k above sim, ofc we wiped :<
regal cape
they could just make Haste vers crit bleed and mastery crit vers poison
lone junco
w/e I hate to speculate. makes me sad when they fail miserably
like any hope for outlaw.
ugh
LD was a gift.
they boned it.
regal cape
Not that I think its overall healthy to create that kind of divide in a spec without being extremely careful
lone junco
I am happy with these mut buffs
keen hound
I was just takling to a friend about lust the other day
lone junco
only person to beat me in ST is the enhance.
keen hound
and how sad it makes me because it does so little lol
lone junco
I like to lust at the open, cause it gives me a longer bracer.
keen hound
I would love to see a "highest secondary stat" bloodlust
regal cape
Same but still feels semi bad when a Pally or Frost DK can use every stat and smash your dps or ENH shammy
lone junco
makes the warrior cry, but i justify it with raid dps logs.
keen hound
so it doesn't just do haste but buffs w/e your highest secondary stat is
regal cape
I mean
lone junco
conc would be better.
lone junco
I did not realize that conc was 11k agi or w/e
Not sure what the higher lvls are. but thats pretty great
regal cape
It was in some early alpha build of I think legion maybe WoD where Pallys were going to get some ability akin to Lust that gave secondaries
lone junco
wasnt that the one they had in wod
or did that just give 1k vers.
personal. took like 5hp
regal cape
Youre thinking of Seraphim
lone junco
yeah
regal cape
that was 1k all stats
nah Im trying to find it
it was trying to give them a raid cd back when like every class had one
Ayy looking for a confirmation, does SoT buff envenom?
I thought it did, but realized this may have changed back when AP was removed
regal cape
Was pretty sure
gilded lark
it does not
balmy condor
Rip
gilded lark
the only reason it buffed it during AP was because it buffed AP
balmy condor
Oh
gilded lark
@balmy condor bad info
balmy condor
Yeah
gilded lark
