assassination

[jovial kite]

!trinsket

[gilded lark]

Someone go to work for me so i can be a lazy pos in my own home, instead of a lazy pos at work with no pc access

[strange python]

again new numbers on sims

[dusky rune]

I'm surprised feint has lasted this long

[strange python]

mantle/bracers lowest kombo ;p and crown/bracer again strongest

[dusky rune]

and is only now being significantly changed

[jovial kite]

why

[manic vigil]

:princess:

[jovial kite]

it has been a staple of rogue for a long time

[manic vigil]

Crown ftw

[open arrow]

what makes crown good?

just the energy regen?

[manic vigil]

Swag

[jovial kite]

good stats

[gilded lark]

Big boye stats

Plus you don't have to pool as much before kb

[strange python]

au shiaaat on crown setup

crit = mastery

;=

[gilded lark]

Someone sim crown with weaks anticipation apl

More noobe comments disappearing

[lone junco]

Crown boot would be nice for that. Cause it is so starved.

[midnight latch]

starved of what

[jovial kite]

energy

[midnight latch]

what

[lone junco]

But that whole build is pretty awful

[midnight latch]

boots help for sure but like insignia and shoulders if you win the gambles for 4 cp dont feel that bad

[lone junco]

Maybe 43 crit isn't good enough.

I cried at garrote refresh.

[midnight latch]

high crit helps alot also balanced blade relics

yeah

garrote sucks dick in that build

[strange python]

crown is nice

the energy+ feels good in xqt range

2.225.186 DPS btw crown setup, standard apl, 0 panth

[lone junco]

Compared to?

Should include the decimals next time too

[vapid moth]

1 have 3 MA 3 malch

[lone junco]

Nice.

[vapid moth]

Lowest is 930

[lone junco]

As long as they aren't 875

Ye

[manic vigil]

Noobe toxic 🤢

[trail sky]

so u just came to bragg

[vapid moth]

Yeah I kinda did

[lone junco]

We all did.

[trail sky]

u know, i have amanthuls

[manic vigil]

Male nelf tho

[vapid moth]

I wish they all had the mastery 2nd train though

[manic vigil]

-50% dps

[vapid moth]

Why does everyone hate on the male Nelf. You're acting.like that's not getting changed once void elves are available

[manic vigil]

I'm just a toxic little troll I guess

Gotta ask my shrink for details

🤷

[lone junco]

Still undead from Wotlk pvp.

[strange python]

2.220.475 DPS mantle/boots=crown .. mantle bracer 2.215 ..

[lone junco]

Played my BE last night and holy shit I've missed torrent

Boots crown. Nice.

[manic vigil]

Torrent is op af yeah

[lone junco]

The min max spread on shoulder bracer is going to be absurd. Aside from the average tool.

[shrewd oriole]

Male nelf is awful

😠

[manic vigil]

Make sure you use vanish correctly @lone junco

Shantal says no one does

And he knows all

😏

[jovial kite]

guys

[manic vigil]

Male belf might just be worse tho

[jovial kite]

death stranding will be the best game

ever

[manic vigil]

Wut diz

[jovial kite]

new ip from hideo kojima

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpudG9opo00

ez introduction if you never heard about it

[shrewd oriole]

I see Japanese names I click off

I ain’t playing no anime

[manic vigil]

1.95/2gb NotLikeThis

[jovial kite]

not sure if troll

[shrewd oriole]

Weebs 😤😤😤😤😤

[manic vigil]

Why u no weeb tom

[thick narwhal]

merits of nightstalker vs subterfuge with poison build?

[shrewd oriole]

It’s like sexuality

You’re either born a chad or you’re born a weeb, it’s not a choice

[manic vigil]

Xd

[shrewd oriole]

I was born an alpha chad

[manic vigil]

So no jerking off to tentacle porn?

Fbm

[dire spoke]

🤔 I leave you guys 10min alone and now this

[shrewd oriole]

If you watch over watch porn it’s about time you stop

[thick narwhal]

oi, this is about stabbin ppl with poisoned knives, get ya tentacles outta here.

space goats can't rogue anyway....I mean

[shrewd oriole]

We found one of our guild mate’s reddit account

He had so many posts in hentai subreddits and shit like gonewild

It was really uncomfortable

[jovial kite]

why though

someone jerks off to hentai

🤷🏿

[manic vigil]

[jovial kite]

i mean sure makes probably for a good meme

[shrewd oriole]

[jovial kite]

but other than that i see no reason to get uncomfortable

[manic vigil]

Yeah why even care

[shrewd oriole]

Nah I just think about it every time I talk to him

It’s just funny I guess

[manic vigil]

What has been seen cannot be unseen 👀

[shrewd oriole]

Yep 😖

[strange python]

unimatrix, how i vanish right ?

[manic vigil]

I have no idea

Ask shantal

[shrewd oriole]

Shantal should update the assa guide

[rough venture]

^hey guys

[shrewd oriole]

Someone of his skill and knowledge should have everything necessary to write the guide

[rough venture]

i have 5% haste too much or too low?

[manic vigil]

Idk "just reroll affli" is kinda wonky advice

[shrewd oriole]

Hope he has time in between fucking supermodels and selling mythic argus mounts

[manic vigil]

Xd

[midnight latch]

if shantal updates the guide

[crystal fox]

the only good haste is 0% haste

[midnight latch]

spoiler

[shrewd oriole]

No

Boots bracers and shoulders have haste

Lol

[crystal fox]

fine hehe

[shrewd oriole]

I know shoulders bracers are 2.4%

[midnight latch]

sin guide
first step:
create warlock

[shrewd oriole]

Só sim for that

Aim*

Kappa

Feels bad man

When rogue is better this tier than lock

xd

[wispy apex]

Do you rupture all targets on trash in m+?

[midnight latch]

no

[shrewd oriole]

3

[wispy apex]

Thanks

[hushed shell]

what about t21 makes nightstalker better than subterfuge

[shrewd oriole]

All that lock damage doesn’t matter on the important fights where immunities rule yet again

[strange python]

in the past ppl talked about that haste influence pb procs :p keep the magix up

but ive forgotten how the old pb mechanic was

[thick narwhal]

:kappa: you saw nothing

[manic vigil]

:eyes:

[gilded lark]

[crystal fox]

admins tell us what he wrote

[manic vigil]

🥄 🥄 time for soup

[thick narwhal]

-buys admin silence-

[dire spoke]

🤔

[thick narwhal]

lol I just tried to bright up talents

[shrewd oriole]

Bright up?

[thick narwhal]

but there's no "!" for that

[shrewd oriole]

We are class of subtlety

[thick narwhal]

*bring, I'm tired

[shrewd oriole]

There’s a lot of finesse in playing rogue

We are not a shiny ret paladin

We move in the shadows

[thick narwhal]

-shines light on Tom-

[shrewd oriole]

Oh no

A shiny

Is that dispatch proc?

[crystal fox]

we are...the shadowblades!

so damn edgey that title

[thick narwhal]

fuckin dispatch, shoulda stayed in game

[strange python]

but no chinese

maybe dispatch is back with bfa

[shrewd oriole]

^

[dire spoke]

Cracks an Egg ... Loots a Raven

[thick narwhal]

I use the "of the Nightfall" title

[shrewd oriole]

I get the idea of removing dispatch tho

All these classes with execute removed the flavor of the true execute class

Executes are fucking fun tho

[thick narwhal]

though they kept Death Touch and Shadow Word Death -_-

oh wait, they reworked death tough

[crystal fox]

sw:death barely tickels the target atm¨

[shrewd oriole]

They kept the lock execute as well

But tbh it’s quite a unique execute

That works very different to warrior execute

[thick narwhal]

...wait what...

[shrewd oriole]

Dispatch was just execute

[dire spoke]

Shadowbolt 😏

[thick narwhal]

Doombolt!

oh wait you mean shadowburn in destro spec XD

[strange python]

its called chaosbolt

😛

[thick narwhal]

no one uses shadowburn, sadly.

[crystal fox]

drain soulbolt

[thick narwhal]

especially now that it replaces conflagrate

[rotund pier]

crown/boots/anti/subter now simming highest for me lol

(poison)

[shrewd oriole]

Anti is so annoying to play with tho

[dire spoke]

Whaaat

Are you trying meta again tom? It's not good for you

[lone junco]

If the damage were substantial. I wouldn't mind.

[shrewd oriole]

Ahaha

[frail wasp]

Somebody mind looking at some N logs for me real quick?

I'd appreciate it, just want to make sure I'm on the right track as far as rotation goes and such

[sacred ore]

hey guys, just a question... if im fighting a long boss fight and my toxic blade is up and my kingsbane has 5+ seconds cooldown left. should i wait for kingsbane and then use toxic blade? or can i just use toxic blade and not wait for kingsbane?

[frail wasp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/30401764/17#metric=dps

[lone junco]

@sacred ore at the end of the fight. Mash off your things. Like vanish env. Without vendetta.

Any cd left over is wasted.

But TimeToDeath is helpful.

[shrewd oriole]

Time to die is the best WA

It’s so pogchamp

[frail wasp]

I did already, a few times, and adjusted to what it said, I just prefer to have people look at my logs where possible

[sacred ore]

@lone junco no i meant like in the middle of the boss fight and my TB is up but my KB is on 5+ seconds cooldown. should i use my TB or wait for my KB then use TB?

i hope u understood xD

[lone junco]

General consensus is to mash tb and Kb on cooldown. And if they are up together. Tb>Kb.

I don't worry about alignments. Most of the major logs we see with fancy tb and Kb alignments also have 13% pb to cover their tracks.

[sacred ore]

ty 😃

[dire spoke]

not aligning is so not meta

not even top3 meta

[smoky wind]

Why does assassination feel so energy starved for me? feels like there is so much downtime when waiting for energy?

[dire spoke]

sin != button smashing

[inner socket]

I thought I read in here to use pb on the tail end of kb?

Tb

[weary gate]

@smoky wind 4 set helps abit

but its not a spamming spec

also poison/bleed adds for more energy

and use venom rush talent

• vigor

[smoky wind]

ok, i'm an idiot

i was playing without poison

[strange python]

giant weakaura right int he middle of my screen for deadly if it's missing

[hushed shell]

does any1 ever not use vigor im bored of it

[smoky wind]

i'm so used to sub that i can play it with my eyes closed, but i just can't seem to get the hand of assass

hang*

okay, feels alot better with poison applied.. thanks rofl

[wild ledge]

If you can play sub, you can play assass my dude 👍

[dire spoke]

hf with your muscle memory

[shrewd oriole]

Assa is a really easy spec

If you’re a good sub player it’ll take you a few hours playing assa and a quick read of the guide to have it down

[smoky wind]

I think my first step would be to make some weak auras to track poisons/bleeds

just practising opener on training dummy etc for now

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

Tracking bleeds is really important

Important to track envenom buff too

[weary gate]

tbh i dont understand why ppl say sub is alot harder than assa

i dont find it that much harder

[cloud seal]

Do you guys prefer bleed or poison builds when running M+s?

[shrewd oriole]

Poison

[weary gate]

assa has more tracking

[shrewd oriole]

Idk a lot of people find sub hard so I’ve just come to terms that I guess sub must be hard? Even though I find it simple

[weary gate]

sub is just the same burst window everytime

[shrewd oriole]

But you ask most people who have every class at max level

[lone junco]

@inner socket there are a few ways to play it. The opener might have a Kb tailbuff. But if you delay your tb too much you will miss out on uses per fight. That's 1-3M from the tb hit and any poison during. So just work on fitting 2env during the TB and mash away.

[smoky wind]

I find that the sub opener may be a little confusing, but the normal rotation is quite simple

[shrewd oriole]

And most people will say sub is up there in difficulty / how hard you’re punished for mistakes

[weary gate]

ye opener is hectic but after that its not too hard

[inner socket]

Alright thanks

[weary gate]

but if u fuck up 1 shadow dance its GG

cant rly catch up

[lone junco]

Sub opener is best opener.

Sht is shit.

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah I think sub is just really punishing

Compared to assa

People mistake punishing for complex or difficult

[lone junco]

Sin is nice. To run out. Run back. No cap no drop.

[shrewd oriole]

Sin is nice. Netflix on second screen top dps

[dire spoke]

Snail spec

[lone junco]

👌

[inner socket]

Personally I do much better as sin but I didnt have good t20 tpc as sub.

[crystal fox]

but what about outlaw?

[shrewd oriole]

No

[lilac spade]

garbage

[inner socket]

2pc

[lone junco]

Ran outlaw for lols last night.

[weary gate]

i find vendetta windows rly fun for sin

lots of energy

[shrewd oriole]

Outlaw has so many inherent flaws

[lone junco]

Got a few 6b.

[shrewd oriole]

It’s such a poorly designed spec

Centered around what is probably the worst ability in the game

[lilac spade]

roll the bones is the problem

[shrewd oriole]

Needs so many crutches to be even remotely consistent

[lone junco]

Was god for a moment. But too much work in ST. For poor return.

[weary gate]

you can play SnD

[lone junco]

Bones is not a problem.

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

[dire spoke]

stun the boss for DPS increase 👺

[shrewd oriole]

Snd is so hit

[lilac spade]

SnD makes spec super generic

[shrewd oriole]

Snd rotation is the most boring thing I’ve played

It’s so basic

[weary gate]

RTB i dont find an issue anymore

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah with 4p and loaded dice

Are they gonna make those baseline?

[weary gate]

loaded dice will be talent atleast

[shrewd oriole]

Give outlaw a god tier 4p every tier to make them consistent?

[lilac spade]

No one likes getting a bad roll ...real depressing

[weary gate]

tier bonuses are going away

[shrewd oriole]

Not really

They’re going away in their current form but

Azerite gear is gonna have “bonuses”

Their just re skinned tier pieces that can drop from mythic plus

To not force people to have to raid and allow m+ to be a viable form of endgame gearing

[dire spoke]

👺 alpha discussion

[lone junco]

Always hope for outlaw. Was my first fav.

[lilac spade]

Get rid of two of the bad buffs and give two buff ad rush baseline and I'd go back to Outlaw

[narrow comet]

so they kinda force you to do mythic + wich i find utterly f boring anyway

[shrewd oriole]

That’s my 2 cents on what we know of the system, like zenpai said it’s too early for this

[lone junco]

I'll play it on Antorus farm after I get their gv trinket.

[shrewd oriole]

They already force you t do m+

If you wanna have bis off pieces

[warm parcel]

Time for @midnight latch reminder
https://gfycat.com/BigFloweryBluebird

[shrewd oriole]

And min max relics

[lone junco]

Like now?

[crystal fox]

vanish cheapshot is the only way to go

[shrewd oriole]

Need a second crit mastery ring?

[midnight latch]

🤦

[shrewd oriole]

Need a crit mastery neck?

[midnight latch]

this shit will haunt me

[lone junco]

Vanish cheapshot champ.

[shrewd oriole]

Need a crit mastery belt?

[dire spoke]

wb @warm parcel

[shrewd oriole]

Guess what those are all m+

[lone junco]

M+ is best content.

[warm parcel]

Back to afk. Just had to do my duty

[midnight latch]

bully weak

[shrewd oriole]

I still think mythic raiding is the best content

[gaunt moat]

i don't get what you're showing in the gif

[shrewd oriole]

But mythic plus is really good and can get a lot better

[crystal fox]

check the spellwindow notter

[shrewd oriole]

Especially if they design dungeons around m+

[midnight latch]

@gaunt moat dude look over my name frame on the left

[weary gate]

i have 975 vers/mast neck and 970 vers/mast ring

maybe i should go back to sub

lul

[midnight latch]

look at the spell after vanish

[shrewd oriole]

100k less as sub tho

Feels bad man

[weary gate]

yep

[dire spoke]

✋ Meta ✋

[weary gate]

i cant believe how much that little change for assa increased in dps

[crystal fox]

we should have that gif turned into a !Nayameta command

[weary gate]

for HC assa is the best spec on logs

xD

[shrewd oriole]

Kek

I’d argue

Assa is the best spec

[midnight latch]

if you make that a command Imma murder you

[shrewd oriole]

For argus

[weary gate]

yeh its not

especially not on mythic

but for hc logs we are on top

[shrewd oriole]

Especially on mythic

Argus is so reliant on immunities

And phase 3 damage

[dire spoke]

!opener naya gif

[shrewd oriole]

Assa rogues are up there in damage behind fury warriors on p3 and cloak of shadows

Obv not in the other fights but we are really good on argus

[lone junco]

well shit.

good box is good

[crystal fox]

is that outlaw pawn i see?

[lone junco]

i turned off my other stuff.

[vivid bone]

outlaw mastery?

[dire spoke]

kek

[lone junco]

it is 6% for my shoulder bracer.

was hoping it was more.

20 ilvls even.

935 with socket barbed neck has so much crit

[vivid bone]

I'm jalous, I still have a 915 neck... all my other gear is like 945+

[shrewd oriole]

945 gear dans game tho

I have a 945 ring and it disgusts me, looks so unaesthetic

I have like 4 kingaroth kills and no ring

So aids

[vivid bone]

You disgust me

[shrewd oriole]

Hey man cmon 😦

I’m not that ugly

[lone junco]

lol that neck dropped me like 50k dmg

ugh.

[shrewd oriole]

Ahah rip

[lone junco]

almost 100k from my exang best

[shrewd oriole]

I have that exact neck

I think mine might be 945 tho

Disgusting

That’s another thing I haven’t seen drop

[lone junco]

false alarm. I set it to 0panth for 5man sims

whew

[weary gate]

970 ring and 975 neck

940 eye of command feelsbadman

[old sphinx]

at least you have eoc >.<

I want too

[shrewd oriole]

Just farm upper

With a hpala a rdruid or a rshaman

Any tank

A boomie

And yourself

Set up a group, carry keys

[weary gate]

why hpala/druid/sham?

[shrewd oriole]

“Free carry for upper Kara keys! 15+”

Easy eoc

So they can get the trinket as well

[weary gate]

ah ye

[lone junco]

i take bear and hunter and enh and shaman.

[shrewd oriole]

Everyone in that group can spec to be able to limit it

Loot*

Problem is, hunter might need it

Same for shaman

You wanna get people who def don’t need it

Will reduce the saltiness when you get the 960 one

Kappa

[strange python]

ive gotten 65 from our ret

😛

[shrewd oriole]

Is it any good for rets?

[crystal fox]

i cant find the poison tab in my sub spell book 😦

[shrewd oriole]

I lost a 950 to a monk but got a 965 fang the next day cuz he got the eye so karma bitch

[crystal fox]

what is this

[lone junco]

what is the best relic helper addon. Id like to see the traits with mouseover

from my bags.

[naive cypress]

Hey Notter. I heard you had a WA for tracking KB stacks?

[lone junco]

kb stacks are unnecessary to track

env uptime is

I just installed crucible weight. there is a check box near the installed relic that adjusts the value of the compare relic. wut is the check box?

[heavy plover]

Damn the legendaries i'm getting just keep getting worse and worse, FeelsBadMan

[crystal fox]

oneshotted sub mage tower,oh well

had no idea what i was pressing

[gilded lark]

Yeah they're pretty braindead now that we outgear them by 50 ilevels

[dire spoke]

still can die from the void shit 😂

[gilded lark]

Yeah if you don't do any dps lol

[dire spoke]

haha

[crystal fox]

held about 7-800k dps cause i had no idea what i was doing

[gilded lark]

Whats outluls again? Agatha?

[crystal fox]

yeah,gonna do that now

[dire spoke]

Imp

[gilded lark]

That'll be faceroll

[dire spoke]

ye Just adds

[gilded lark]

Did that on unholy dk and feral, such a joke at these ilevels

Even feral i 1 shot at 915

Or 920

Can't remember

[heavy plover]

imaging getting sephuz > prydaz > kj's wish > cape as leggo order

[crystal fox]

throw in valeera aswell

[strange python]

imaging .. legos are for free now .. get back to start of the expansion .. it took weeks for one lego

[heavy plover]

dude if i get valeera next

ima cry

@strange python still sucks when it's 1 legendary a week

[pulsar radish]

@heavy plover other rogue from my guild had almost that order

@heavy plover last 2 leggos are shoulders and hands

[strange python]

bracers was 8 and mantle was 9..

months of hard grinding

[dire spoke]

Back in my days, there weren't that many legos 👺

[strange python]

mantle cames with nighthold pre patch or something

7.1.5

[dire spoke]

biggest failure on Legion rogue design

Worse than outlul 😏

[manic vigil]

Cheap shot meta btw

First result are in

[rotund grove]

My order of legendaries at the start of the expansion was 1.prydaz 2. Raven ring 3. Sephuz. 5 week gap because of the softcap shit. 4. Boots 5. Bracers at the start of nighthold.

[manic vigil]

It's a loss 🤔

[strange python]

i liked the ap/dos mantle story

😉

[dire spoke]

@manic vigil👀

[manic vigil]

👻 lies 🤢

[heavy plover]

I just hope i can get atleast 1 decent one soon

[manic vigil]

@midnight latch you were the chosen one

[heavy plover]

Wouldn't even mind the belt

[rotund grove]

Lul when legendaries had softcaps.

[lone junco]

ep meems

[dire spoke]

we need to go deeper

EP in 2018

[manic vigil]

Not sure noobe knows what a meme is 🤔

[lone junco]

i dont

[dire spoke]

EP + Anti new meta

[manic vigil]

😏

[lone junco]

ep + anti isnt horrible

you can have 92 ep 92 env and like 90 2p

just need the gear to make it do damage

anyway. today is relic day

[manic vigil]

me neither, I just try to fit in with the kids 👴

[lone junco]

smooshing through like 20x

[thick narwhal]

so just clenched my anus on portal bitch after tank moved her too late from fel barrage, I got caught in one and put me in teh other two.

I cheated death the second one, cloaked teh last one and got knocked into the shadow portal instead of off the edge

[lone junco]

ooo

[tranquil birch]

So in tc they're now saying to pop vendetta right at the start of opener?

[thick narwhal]

rly? but that's an energy waste =/

[tranquil birch]

Yeah idk thats what kojis post on jan 25 says

[lone junco]

do what you want.

[manic vigil]

just do what koji says. mindlessly tbh

I might be biased tho

😏

[lone junco]

yeah. buffing the first few hits sims as > than the delay

with significant testing. either way just pray for more pbomb and it becomes irrelevant

[zealous dew]

any sub player here ?

[old sphinx]

why u askin in sin channel ?

[zealous dew]

😄

[old sphinx]

thats like asking for a big mac at burger king

[manic vigil]

😮

[shrewd oriole]

that neck

is disgusting

gratz

I mean, not really

[zealous dew]

i have better for sin 😃

[shrewd oriole]

a lot of people here lately are sub rerolls ahah

Really? damn crazy

what do you have for sin?

[zealous dew]

dog one 975

[shrewd oriole]

aah nice

better for sub too

since it's mastery heavy

[zealous dew]

wasn't sub versa heavy ?

[shrewd oriole]

guess you can have st neck and aoe neck now

[zealous dew]

st

[shrewd oriole]

yeah but on st you're playing assa

: P

since it's just better

very close for st tho, mastery and vers

[zealous dew]

cool

gave it to the tonk 😃

[shrewd oriole]

😦

good call tbh

[crystal fox]

aaand outlaw mage tower 2 shotted

forgot to blade flurry first try

imps everywhere

[dire spoke]

I'm not a reroller 👺

I play the class 💁

[flat gulch]

does anyone haev some info on why 2 MA relics are bad but 1 and 3 are good, tried looking for it but cant find any reason why thats the case

[lone junco]

think about your vendetta timing and shoulder vanish

[dire spoke]

you don't get an extra Vendetta aligning

[lone junco]

I should just log that to see the timing.

but I dont have 2vend currently

it is why the bracer boot doesnt care about the 2 vend. there is no shoulder window to worry about

[flat gulch]

ah ok gotcha ty

[dire spoke]

mcpoison said something different 🤔

[cedar gust]

hey guys, can i ask someone for help with logs? (wow analyzer doesn't say i have any major issues but my logs are still shitty)

[crystal fox]

is your gear shitty?

[dire spoke]

is your group shitty?

[cedar gust]

xD

well i dont have the ideal gear, but i still need to look at my score in comparison to other with the same ilvl

[crystal fox]

others at your ilvl may have ideal gear

[cedar gust]

and i dont want to blame my group for shitty logs, just want to know if im doing fine

[dire spoke]

Why not?

[cedar gust]

well it's the easy way out

[supple hearth]

If you post them people will probably look at them and be able to help out

[zealous dew]

watch out vanish

we don't tolerate shit vanish here

[dire spoke]

If your group needs 3min longer than other parses you will have a shitty parse by default

[cedar gust]

for example

[wise frigate]

help out make fun of them. FTFY Giggle

[cedar gust]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kh6nxVBPHD2MqyKN#fight=29&type=damage-done&source=15

lol my vanish are prolly shit

[old sphinx]

lol outlul challenge is waayy too easy 😂

[midnight latch]

@manic vigil 👀

[dire spoke]

doing magetower in 2018

👻 naya

[old sphinx]

monkaS

[dire spoke]

monkaGun

[old sphinx]

Ohhhh zempai came to the toxic side 😄 welcome bro

[dire spoke]

cyber

pls play my rog this ID

I will touch you places

🎅

[fiery merlin]

that sounds like a really good deal, you should take him up on it.

[lone junco]

@old sphinx it might be now. but at 901 it was not easy

[old sphinx]

maybe, still oneshot that bitch as 🍆

or Furious Fender if you want

[polar grail]

yeah outlaw may be easy now, it was a fucking bitch at first

even after the changes to roll the bones and tier 20 it was hard

[tepid swift]

hey guys, is anyone else having trouble with the ToT cast?, cant cast it on spellbook or macros, need help please

[polar grail]

I had like about 60 attempts on it

[lone junco]

I wasn't able to kill every imp with a single mark rt.

@tepid swift there is a bug with the @ Focus macro. It gets stuck.

[old sphinx]

lol i didnt even attack them until they started channeling on the boss

i just cleaved them down

[polar grail]

yeah I'm sure its a breeze now

[tepid swift]

but cant even use it on the regular way, i mean putting the skill on the bar and targeting

[lone junco]

I went from at focus to targeting focus then casting.

Once you macro it, it breaks until you relog

[tepid swift]

can you share your macro please? the entire thread, tooltip and stuff

so i can copy

tried to go on targettarget too, but nothing happens

[lone junco]

Literally no macro.

[tepid swift]

classic way?

[lone junco]

I hit F to target focus. Then cast.

[tepid swift]

okay, thanks for the tips

[pure sparrow]

how do you guys sim bosses like AHC with periodic add spawns? wanna know if its worth changing belt leggo for cloak there

[plain thistle]

hectic add cleave maybe?

[lone junco]

fight length spread is much farther than i expected.

I do like that the shoulder bracer max is like 2.9m. Compared to 2.5m for bracer boot. Both avg at 1.90

But we know this.

[shrewd oriole]

http://prntscr.com/i6hsna

[manic vigil]

Send me some more data daddy 😚 ☺

[shrewd oriole]

my mog looks so cool on zandalari > : (

blizz zandalari rogue pls

[manic vigil]

🤢

[shrewd oriole]

yeah bracers max is just a bunch of PB's on 30%

[weary gate]

am i the only one not hyped over zandalari?

im not saying they are bad

they would be badass as warriors tho

[jovial kite]

pb on 30% and bota too

[wise frigate]

Zandalari druids though...

[weary gate]

Hm tauren had way better forms :p

[shrewd oriole]

whaaaat

the raptor / pterodactyl is a sick combo

[weary gate]

dont like it myself 😄

[shrewd oriole]

way better than tauren

[weary gate]

i prefer more generic druid theme like eagle and moose

[shrewd oriole]

eh I feel

[trail sky]

does rogue cloack work on the necrotic debuff immune soak on varimathras?

or do u just immune the dmg

[strange python]

@trail sky no mention of it on: http://www.ravenholdt.net/antorus-tips-tricks/

oops

(Heroic+) Necrotic Embrace: CloS does not trigger or negate

[trail sky]

wuups

😄

i required a asap answer thx for providing it, i remembered reading that before

that it didnt work

like hunters immune for example

[dusky rune]

np

[vapid moth]

Are those the ghostblades?

[dark hornet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17#difficulty=4
why is assassination rogue suddenly top on heroic?

it's not max parses it's 75 but still why all of a sudden have they jumped so far up

[spice surge]

Its not like it jumped very suddenly. Its hardly suprising a upper middle of the pack specc goes up whenever it gets buffs

Refering to mut buffs around 2 weeks ago

[rain pewter]

sin upper middle of the pack pre buffs xD

[spice surge]

It was on the stats 🤷

[rain pewter]

are we talking pre fok?

[spice surge]

Well no it was lower pre fok

The reason it was at the bottom at launch though wasnt because it was bad, but because almost nobody played it

[gilded lark]

Everyone played sub lol

Then over the tier its like "oh shit sin is actually good again"

[spice surge]

Sin actually had a set bonus that increased their dps 😄

[gilded lark]

Lul

[spice surge]

And stat weights comparable to other classes. Sub having most stats around 35 while sin has 2 around 50 and the rest ~40

[rain pewter]

you mean actual scaling???

[vivid bone]

Just got crown legendary, it sims higher than boots lol :p

[spice surge]

Yeah actual scaling, pretty crazy

[bright mantle]

deeper strat better then vigor,,interesting

[wise frigate]

Love this game.

[spice surge]

Do some deepwind dunk

[crystal fox]

2's 3's rbg brawl

[plain thistle]

or

just

wait for tomorrow?

[spice surge]

😮

[plain thistle]

🤔

[bright mantle]

vigor a few days ago simmed better then deeper strat and now {deeper strat} sims higher...wtf same gear

[gilded lark]

I've come to the conclusion that you cannot win deepwind dunk as alliance

[spice surge]

@rain smelt#4726 Sounds perfectly reasonable as there was APL improvements for ds yesterday

[bright mantle]

oh shit

[spice surge]

Try anti

[bright mantle]

didnt know that

[spice surge]

Probably better than the others

[candid yew]

anti is op

[bright mantle]

anti what is that? and yes im a noob

[spice surge]

Anticipation

[bright mantle]

oh

hmm

[wise frigate]

Already did my daily shit. And I have nobody to do rated with atm nor do I want to.

It's just the second time it has left me 995 essence.

[hexed citrus]

just wait for tomorrow then

😉

[wise frigate]

Oh I am. Not really salty, just disappointed in my essence RNG xD

[bright mantle]

anti op? it sims 4 % lower then deeper strat...lol

[hexed citrus]

disappointed about having your 2. 1k legy tomorrow morning? I do my daily shit always, an I'm only at 828

okay I'm not telling the truth... i don't do rated... that should be my problem..^^

[plain thistle]

did they changed something in the apl again? lost another 22k dps

besides what is in the pins

[rotund pier]

i lost dps too

i think they implemented the KB thing

[spice surge]

Its because they fixed the sinister circulation thing which reduced your dps by like 10k

[plain thistle]

ohhh yeah, thats was mentioned but raidbots was still using KB opener

[spice surge]

and they reverted the "better" opener

So you lost dps because you're not gaining dps with the better opener

[plain thistle]

now its changed back to "normal"

fuck, now T20+T21 is better again

fml

[lone junco]

Ugh

[rotund pier]

things are so fucked now

siming has never been such a pain in the dick

[lone junco]

See. That's the bullshit that's gives me a headache. Mostly due to relic melting.

[spice surge]

I like playing with anti more than i...anticipated

[woven dragon]

boooo

[lone junco]

It's very clippy

[rotund pier]

anti sims higher in some combos, subter sims higher in some combos, ns etc

and now helm/shoulder/insig/boots/bracer are all viable

so simming all those lege combos and talent combos is a royal pain

i honestly miss cookie cutter shoulder/gloves sub shit, turn your brain off and be done with it

[lone junco]

I dumped all 3 relics. Still in position for exang and tb. Just choosing to pass on the last 30k Possible by dropping to 1 vendetta.

[rotund pier]

meanwhile, every 3 days a new bug or fix is found and we keep losing simdps(cocktease)

[sterile geyser]

how is assa in m+?

[lone junco]

If I want to feel better. I can just sim on Amr and they say 1.5m. And I actually do 1.9

[plain thistle]

wtf is this opener (https://imgur.com/a/cZ1dE) for boots+bracer, not sure if its the best

🤔

NS btw

[spice surge]

🤔

Idk about that

But maybe 🤷

[lone junco]

Forget everything you know.

[plain thistle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j32voFiBdcS6v13wuHNVp9

subt is better again

thats it, I will stop simming

[hexed citrus]

if you wait 2 days you can play your standard opener again 😄

[plain thistle]

😂

[rotund pier]

now try subter and ds lol

[lone junco]

Garrote mut vanish rupture?

Not happening.

[naive cypress]

Hey guys. just got a decent EoC, what is the macro for mouseover rupture?

[hexed citrus]

how high is a decent Eoc?

[naive cypress]

940

[plain thistle]

at least with subt the opener is not... strange

[hexed citrus]

not so bad ^^

[naive cypress]

Im HC raider. So 940 is not bad for me

Replaces a 950 Singed fang

[hexed citrus]

got a 960 EoC out of weeklky chest this week

[lone junco]

940 is nice. You can have a mouseover modifier key.

[rotund pier]

960 fang simmed only 4k higher than 940 eye for me

[lone junco]

960 eoc box is lottery.

[hexed citrus]

yes and i won the lottery 😄

[lone junco]

My 960 thumb ring is pretty good.

Really bummed it doesn't buff bleeds

[hexed citrus]

😄

[spice surge]

It does buff bleeds

Its not magic damage, its all damage

[lone junco]

Vanish ns Exang fits right in that 12sec window.

I saw a comment that it was patched.

[plain thistle]

here we go, changing gems to crit again

😛

[lone junco]

And weak says no.

[spice surge]

Oh was it patched recently?

[lone junco]

Not recent.

[spice surge]

Thats some feelsbadman

[lone junco]

I should just naked test the rupture.

#trustNoOne

[violet yew]

i trust in our lord and saviour Ion Hazzatoaster

[lone junco]

@spice surge you actually have a good anti sim?

[spice surge]

Not really

http://piclair.com/data/urmpc.jpg

[still pewter]

Can confirm the ring buffs all dmg but says magic

[gaunt moat]

wrong

[turbid harbor]

how does so much misinformation get spread like this

it is so easy to test these things

you apply a bleed

you remove concordance and shit

then you compare damage from a bleed tick before and after you use the ring

[gaunt moat]

The reason for vendetta as first action in sim is because it buffs the last few remaining seconds, and that let to a slight dps increase.

[turbid harbor]

gnawed thumb ring doesn't buff physical damage

[lone junco]

Confirm confimr that the thumb ring does not buff bleed.

Grey dagger Mut 5cp rupture 1.49M 185.85k max tick. match exactly with ring

[turbid harbor]

it took 1 minute to test 😄

[lone junco]

same

grey dagger test with no proc trinkets

[ebon river]

are there racial sims i can find somewhere on here?

[lone junco]

super bummer tho.

@still pewter does not buff bleeds.

lamezo

i wonder if the NS portion of bleed is still physical 😉

[spare cloud]

Hello

[lone junco]

@gaunt moat yeah i saw the vend clipping here. but the fight length from 200s to 400s put a wrinkle in the math.

keeping that spreadsheet to myself. cause it is probably very wrong.

[gaunt moat]

i emphasized "in sim"
cause i doubt it's a good move in-game.

[lone junco]

just play bracer boot and we have nothing to worry about

[spice surge]

@turbid harbor It did earlier in legion atleast. Im 100% sure it did during NH

But thats a while ago, so def possible they fixed

[turbid harbor]

i know, but blizzard fix things like this all the time and barely document half of them

it is fixed

and has been for months

[rancid spade]

do u play around surge of toxins with poison build?

[strange python]

no

[lone junco]

Not really. Just envenom and ep if you use it.

[strange python]

if you have ep - do you clip it

im guessing yes

[zealous dew]

clip clip

NL 25 anyone ?

pelters 😄

[gilded lark]

No... no no... no... nah.

Nope

At least it isn't teeming

[lone junco]

Pelters are a reason I like exang. Such a short peak time.

It's like 40m dmg in 12 seconds.

[gilded lark]

That 4 pelter pull breaks pugs man

[zealous dew]

you skip it

sap and shroud

[gilded lark]

Don't often run with rogues lol

[calm grail]

🤔

[zealous dew]

yeah rogues suck

[gilded lark]

The pull after 2nd boss is gross too

[zealous dew]

run past pylon

[gilded lark]

Nah there just aren't many. I even suggest them

Like hey we need tricks. Hey shroud would be nice

[spare cloud]

shorty before KB runs out, guide says use a finisher for SoT, but you preferably want to use evenom and not rupture, right? Or is the difference negligible

[gilded lark]

Lead grabs a hunter

Ok then

That's 1 of 2 criteria

[zealous dew]

hunters 😄

no slow

RIP

[gilded lark]

Concussive shot

[zealous dew]

😄

[gilded lark]

Tar trap

Why not crippling poison

Zzz

"But rogue sucks in m+"

Yeah if you're doing +2s

[zealous dew]

let's do this

DH tonk

druid healer

mmm

i'll grab a warlock 😄

[gilded lark]

Need that sweet dk tank

[zealous dew]

i likez DH better

[gilded lark]

Then heals only has to heal 3 ppl

Lmao

[calm grail]

That feeling when you always put crippling poison on by default, but then you get that once in a blue moon situation where people don't want stuff slowed.

Feelsbadman.

[zealous dew]

dk has leech aoe

so fucking broken

[gilded lark]

Technically dh has it too

But only for himself lol

[zealous dew]

😄

[gilded lark]

Spirit bomb is a fucking meme

[solar gazelle]

!guide

[gilded lark]

Try again

Louder

[solar gazelle]

!GUIDE

[gilded lark]

[solar gazelle]

just a memer

[lone junco]

@spare cloud if you were to get an additional poison application due to env, that seems better. But if we are talking. Very last tick nothing else to add, I guess it would be a wash.

[gilded lark]

Just look at the top of the page. Its up there

[spare cloud]

In what intervals does kb tick? never really checked

[wise frigate]

2 seconds isn't it?

[gilded lark]

And yea dk consumption cd is

[zealous dew]

7 ticks in 14s

[wise frigate]

So yeah 2 second intervals.

[zealous dew]

12 8 6 10 4 2 0

[gilded lark]

45s cd on 15s of leech

[spare cloud]

which means there is 3 ticks in the last 3 secs

right?

[zealous dew]

2

[spare cloud]

Ah so it doesnt tick at 0

[zealous dew]

2 and 0

[spare cloud]

4?

[zealous dew]

4 2 and 0

[gilded lark]

It ticks at 2 4 6 8 10 12 14

[spare cloud]

Oh sry ment 5 secs

n ot 3 secs

my bad

[lone junco]

So if you apply a stack at 13 from auto attack. Env would be better.

[gilded lark]

Or backwards, 12 10 8 6 4 2 0

[spare cloud]

the first tick is the application dmg right?

which doesnt count as poison dmg or does it?

[fast nacelle]

why do people talk about kb ... we just pray for

[spare cloud]

oh reread the tooltip it does

[gilded lark]

The application would be 14.

[spare cloud]

Yeh

[gilded lark]

Ticks happen at 12 10 8 6 4 2 0

why is this hard to understand

Its literally 14/2

Or 14/7 if you want time between ticks

[fast nacelle]

quick maff

[gilded lark]

2+2-1=7 ticks of kb yo

[fast nacelle]

y0

[spare cloud]

its not hard to understand i know it was 7 ticks and 2 seconds between them, was just wondering when they are applied and how it is affected by surge of toxins and ways to optimize it a little

guess i just couldve tested myself, sorry for asking

[fast nacelle]

just ask guild mates man

this place is just to pray for poison bomb

and fok comeback

and @dusky moon 50th birthday

[crystal fox]

if i ask guildies what 14/7 is they'll probably answer "balloon" or "glue tastes great"

[strange python]

back to playing the elitist spec

:^)

[spare cloud]

yeah my guild mates answer that way as well

:^)

[fast nacelle]

wow rude team mates

[spare cloud]

guess ill go back to sub, easier to play

[fast nacelle]

yes

[lone junco]

oy

[fast nacelle]

@lone junco lmao jeez...

feelsdadman

[crystal fox]

just close the door

[lone junco]

i did just step outside on the front porch and close the door.

[fast nacelle]

whats the time over there

its midnight here they should sleep anyway

[lone junco]

1700

[spare cloud]

wait its midnight already

rip me

wanted to study today, guess not

[fast nacelle]

you studied kings bane

that counts

[spare cloud]

mastered assa

on the dummy

can't play properly on actual bossfight

rip me

[lone junco]

properly?

like just fucking hit stuff as it lights up.

dont over mut/env and leave a rupture gap

use vendetta on cd. use vanish after vendetta

[spare cloud]

Oh right should i save the vanish rupture for exsan with NS?

and should i wait for vendetta if i have like 5 seconds cd on it left?

[manic vigil]

People are getting better at sin huh. Or I'm getting worse 🤔 or my pbombs have forsaken me

No more orange lately

Rip

[strange python]

methinks its going to be harder to get orange for a while because of the trait thing

we lost a bit of ST so shouldnt that affect it

[tranquil birch]

agreed

[fast nacelle]

more people hop on assa

cause sub is worse

[spare cloud]

time to go outlaw then, i guess

[fast nacelle]

no good rogue played assa in tomb for first bosses

[strange python]

id love sub but dfa playstyle gets tedious

[ripe crow]

how worth it do you guys think it is for me to farm m+ for EoC if I have a 945 fang

simc says its about 2%

[crystal fox]

940 eoc is ahead of a 945 fang isnt it?

[ripe crow]

it is yeah

ive done probably 25 upper 15+s

lol

[calm grail]

I have a 940 EoC and it feels 👌

[crystal fox]

i'm about to start farming eoc aswell now that i got my ilvl up abit

[ripe crow]

its just not happening for me and im going insane trying to do anymore

i guess i should just do 15s and not bother w higher keys

[calm grail]

This isn't a bad week to do it though.

[ripe crow]

no it isnt

[calm grail]

Upper Kara easy this week.

Yeah, just speed run 15s

[ripe crow]

but i guess what im saying is

in my position, would you bother?

[calm grail]

I mean.

Depends how invested you are.

[ripe crow]

im a stubborn fuck

[calm grail]

Are you downing Mythic hounds regularly?

[ripe crow]

no 0/11 m

[calm grail]

Then yeah keep farming it.

[ripe crow]

u think i can advertise a carry grp for peoples keys?

im 2.7k io

[calm grail]

Yeah.

Just have competent people to offer the carry with.

[ripe crow]

yeah, thanks for the input

appreciate it

[naive sphinx]

where is fan of knives in my single target opener if using cloak?

[crystal fox]

wouldnt insignia be better?

[naive sphinx]

is insignia better than cloak w/ single target?

i just have shoulders, cloak and ring

and only 1 level3 relic

[zealous dew]

we didn't do it 😦

hov 24 now

cba

f00king thundercallers

[verbal root]

what trinkets should I be using/swaping on aoe trash?

[crystal fox]

glaive and mines trinket apparently

[verbal root]

didnt raided during ToS and no glaive for 7 weeks :/ ... is normal one usable too? Right now I have slicing malestrom from cos 960 and passive aoe trinket from arc

[odd hatch]

Is it better to use tb on cooldown or line it up with kb and wait 2 seconds

then env spam

[old sphinx]

tb on cd

[grave elk]

is it hard to lvl as assassination

[old sphinx]

no

but outlul or sub are easier

[grave elk]

lol full heirlooms and im bottom of the dps for stupid ass dungeons

[old sphinx]

well

[strange python]

things dont live long enough

[grave elk]

umm with the rework of lvling system

everything lives too long

[ashen fossil]

Anyone knows of any opener news? Can't find anything new on it in the pins

[calm grail]

Yeah.

It's

If you open up that, you're golden.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/228879086515126272/406335006391402497/unknown.png

[indigo idol]

isnt vendetta after rupture better?

[lone junco]

short answer is no

chances are, we are talking decimal differences in % overall.

[indigo idol]

so optimal opener is the one above? 😃

[civic palm]

Man... people losing their minds of what spells they have at the beginning of BfA without having Azerite Armor information is driving me up a wall > _>

[lone junco]

the other consideration to keep in mind, is that concordance window is short, and really strong.

so if we proc on the first 3 sec, sure as shit want it in the shoulder.

[manic vigil]

🤔

looks like I'm gonna be a princess again. crown pulls ahead once more

[lone junco]

walked to Mcdonalds for 50cent cones.

[civic palm]

Being a Princess isn't too bad.

[lone junco]

with 5yo for her bday

that soft serve looks like glue.

[civic palm]

Yaaa

[lone junco]

but good times.

[civic palm]

I mean... soft serve is soft serve, probably gonna have a good time 😺

[indigo idol]

dispatch times bois :3

[civic palm]

People wanting more and more artifact abilities to be baseline and not either in talents or gone without seeing how things might be chaned through A.Armor are idiots > _>

Ret. Pallies complaining that they have to pick between Crusade and anything, are idiots.

It's been an annoying day.

[fast nacelle]

did you call me idiot?

[civic palm]

Are you acting like one?

[fast nacelle]

did you call me an actor?

[civic palm]

Are you acting?

[fast nacelle]

am I?

[civic palm]

r u ?

[fast nacelle]

hm.

[civic palm]

Do u be, who u iz?

[plain thistle]

🤔

[civic palm]

Indeed.

[fast nacelle]

who's the girl on your avatar

tell her im #1 simdps on wowprogress rogues

[civic palm]

Wanna smash?

[fast nacelle]

yes

[civic palm]

Too bad she doesn't like Rogues.

[manic vigil]

🤔

[fast nacelle]

i'm whatever she needs

[civic palm]

CHANGLING!!

[fast nacelle]

unless she needs a smart guy