nova pagoda
its legit just kill the big imps and aoe the small ones when fighting the boss
#assassination
vivid bone
Yep
onyx rock
wow i just got the worst possible trinket from my mythic argus chest
Gorshalach's Legacy 965 with a socket
drifting cosmos
isnt it good for outlul
๐ค the proc rate seems pretty low
but apparently our fury warrior has been trying so hard for it
zealous dew
Who got sephuz today
crystal fox
meeee
zealous dew
Gratz
crystal fox
i dont even know if i could expect any more after having bracers and head already, but i do want them shoulders
naive cypress
Bracers + boots bro. Shoulders are too meta.
zealous dew
Prydaz valeera
shrewd oriole
shoulders are fucking nice to play with man
crystal fox
everyone keeps telling me different, boots or shoulders
crystal fox
yeah i just started this rogue so i dont have any t20
shrewd oriole
if you get a dank TF on garothi shoulders, you can go bracers boots
if you get some dank boots, shoulders bracers
I would never drop bracers tbh I like them too much
but
if you get some DANK 970 BOE FOR 1M OFF THE AH
1 WEEK BEFORE ASSA GETS BUFFS
AND ARE STILL SALTY ABOUT IT
then you play shoulders boots
zealous dew
Just run head boots shoulder wrist
shrewd oriole
can even play head
white lance
What if you buy boots for $400
balmy condor
@zealous dew what about the insig meme
naive cypress
When would you go sub in m+ vs assa?
crystal fox
my legos came like this - soul>bracers>valeera>head>prydaz
zealous dew
When stuff dies in 10s
balmy condor
when adds live long enough for you to get frustrated about your dots @naive cypress
thats when sub kicks in
zealous dew
Don't pug as sub pussy tanks pull 3 mobs tops
balmy condor
that too
zealous dew
Compete with monks dude you're funny
crystal fox
7 legos to go and im quite sure which ones are gonna be my last two ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
balmy condor
nothing compares with monks in m+
gilded lark
boots/bracers ofc
crystal fox
boots and shoulders
naive cypress
Head / Bracers is really good dude
zealous dew
These boots are made for walking
naive cypress
So forgiving
zealous dew
Mine is in bank
naive cypress
985 fang
zealous dew
EOC ssf both 960
crystal fox
not bad ๐
naive cypress
You one of the mouseover bros?
zealous dew
Ye
shrewd oriole
COMPETING WITH MONKS
OMEGALUL
monk is the highest dps class in msot dungeons mate
just accept it and move on
naive cypress
I beat em in ST
zealous dew
This week is easy though
Go arcway with lock
Have lock buff monk
Watch monk die on pull
Profit
crystal fox
gonna have to try get into some upper karas,but my ilvl isnt the best
zealous dew
Hc :)
naive cypress
We dont raid mythic. Guild has not gotten there yet
Still trying to recruit active raiders
zealous dew
Gl
naive cypress
I am not an officer, so idc. I am there for the social part
hollow barn
Quick question, only started rogue late this xpac, did Sin have DP in EN?
naive cypress
Ya
hollow barn
Aight ty
naive cypress
I think we used agonizing back then?
hollow barn
Oh right
hollow barn
Was just looking over a log from back then and couldnโt find it
naive cypress
Ye. Agonizing
hollow barn
I guess I could check buff uptimes
prime void
Yeah beating a good monk in m+ isnt going to happen kek
Also key damage is different than raiding. Can parse all day and still be shit in keys
dire spoke
๐ rng is best
shrewd oriole
nah the best is having 2.4% haste aka THE MINIMUM POGGERS
haste racists in this chat
dire spoke
That's racist
native rock
Aman'thul is not that bad for sin ? Sim equal as a 980 Vitality https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uL86utQvAysZjMRx5MhHm3
quick ice
But odds are you have i1k vitality first
shrewd oriole
statiscally speaking
if you killed argus everyweek
there's liek 0.1% chance you dont have the trinket
lol
native rock
yup its almost equal
shrewd oriole
I'd play eoc tbh
dire spoke
@warm parcel are you finished already? Hurry Up ๐บ
warm parcel
Im afk today ๐บ
gaunt moat
@warm parcel
warm parcel
๐บ ๐บ ๐บ
gaunt moat
just wanted to make sure you're afk
dire spoke
๐ ily bois
dire spoke
๐
sudden schooner
So, whats the way to do trash in m+ as assa?
I've been just slacking with mantle/bracers, which probably aint the best combo
wise frigate
Press escape, log out, log on a warlock.
sudden schooner
and pray for PB
wise frigate
Time to cast one Pyro for half the fight!
glossy eagle
sounds like my rogue... my rogue got belt, Pants, Trinket, Ring, ring, Bracers
gilded lark
big boye pryo tho
glossy eagle
still no shoulders
gilded lark
bracer/insig is decent too
at least they're dps legos lol
rocking blink chest/bracer on the mage
glossy eagle
i was tempted to delete myt rogue when it got belt / pants... it just wasnt in cards
gilded lark
rog got boots -> prydaz -> shoulder
wise frigate
Can't even remember what I'm still missing. Think it's just Prydaz, sub gloves /boots, Shiv, and Dreadlord thankfully.
strange python
could someone explain me why the thirde relic of master assassin nerf me ? :O
zealous dew
maitre chocolatier
plain thistle
third? you mean second?
shrewd oriole
Yo does anyone know how to get apexis crystals? the bc ones
shrewd oriole
Yeah I've been to wowhead mate
It's not "guide" or description for it, tags a bunch of mobs but they're rare spawns, I know theres another method
wise frigate
Then you shouldn't have to ask that. Search Apexis crystal, 99% chance there's a comment or 20 that say where they drop.
shrewd oriole
Yeah man I didnt think about any of that, you're a rocket scientist lol
dire spoke
@strange python you either want one or three. For the rest how should we know with absolutely no data? searches his glass orb of wisdom
wise frigate
http://www.wowhead.com/item=32572/apexis-crystal#comments lookie there a comment that explains where to get Apexis crystals. Spoiler: they're kind of a cunt
shrewd oriole
Yep
I read that as well
talks about an event that I could then not find on wowhead
I wouldnt be asking if I hadn't tried those things myself dude, I'm not the "dont read the guide and pins kind of guy"
shrewd oriole
transmog
manic vigil
Nerd
shrewd oriole
ye lol
thick narwhal
-sniffs air- I smell an RPer
manic vigil
Dailies and shit?
manic vigil
๐ณ
wise frigate
I mean that comment literally explains how. Kill little mobs, get 35 shards, take shards to one of the elite spawners, kill elite collect crystal,???, profit get transmog
manic vigil
Oh yeah I remember
midnight latch
๐
manic vigil
๐ป
strange python
@dire spoke I don't know too lel. I'm new in Assa, and i don't know if i should take another trait of master of assassin or the other one ? My question is stupid because i saw a negative up under this trait and i didn't understand why ๐ฎ
urban storm
its due to the timing issues that happen
zealous dew
dw, ppl playing mantle have no clue when to vanish so ๐
manic vigil
You keep saying that but can you prove it ๐ค
zealous dew
yeah play boots
manic vigil
๐
dire spoke
@strange python you can sim relics you did not equip on raidbots
tepid hornet
i have question about new opener
zealous dew
bah
tepid hornet
why vend/garrote/mut etc
manic vigil
Nice sample size
tepid hornet
and not garrote/vend/mut etc
zealous dew
pick another one
manic vigil
Why don't you play mantle then and show them all? ๐ค
vernal adder
he cant
vernal adder
im just fucking with ya
zealous dew
like I care what you do ๐
vernal adder
I dont have any good t20 pieces, feelsbadman
manic vigil
Rude
shrewd oriole
Finally sound the small mobs lol their spawn location was way off the one on wowhead
manic vigil
There you go
shrewd oriole
Thanks @wise frigate
shrewd oriole
how much higher do you sim with boots bracers?
zealous dew
yeah but the qol of boots + 2p t20 is insane
zealous dew
when you run M+ and you have bosses with 1 add
it's envenom spam
whole boss
ye 2p 4p
930 t20 only, still pulling ahead
shrewd oriole
yeah my t20 shoulders are garbage
so I could never run it
I have 950 hands 935 cloak and helm which I use for sub but for assa I'd like cloak shoulders
no way am I gonna do avatar
it's not like it'd be a big upgrade anyways, I already sim 2.25 so
vernal adder
just pug m avatar /s
shrewd oriole
I'd run hands shoulder I mean*
if I had shoulders
but without shoulders, t21 shoulders arent worth it
so I cant do it
hot torrent
with mantle+bracers, if boss is lower 30%, do u still use Envenom after Vanish or is rupture better, bc your bleed dmg ist buffed through bracers? or is envenom also buffed through bracers?
shy igloo
hello peoples i heard that this is the place to discuss classes and ask questions
quick ice
Garothi shoulders might work for you @shrewd oriole?
zealous dew
by bracers
shrewd oriole
but then no 2p4p* spooce
plus I have the garothi shoulders, mantle still sims higher
quick ice
Bummer
quick ice
Me too tbh
shrewd oriole
for me as well but I cant get 930 shoulders lol
it's what I've been saying, getting tier shoulder is the hard part about 2p 4p
quick ice
I don't either, I just simmed with it to see if it was worth
vernal adder
meh no big deal, bfa is in alpha , exp is over
Kappa
I dont really worry about that minmaxing anymore that much with that expansion coming out in like 5-6months. Its a long time but meh
quick ice
Still progression left for me
vernal adder
same
vernal adder
I just play other games, do a couple m+s and raid
unique ice
monster hunter is life now am i right
vernal adder
dont have ps4 or xbone, thinking about buying a ps4 for god of war and rdr
shrewd oriole
buy a switch
quick ice
No God of War on switch
zealous dew
shoot
quartz tundra
i sim better leg Boots > Bracer 1%
should i continu use shoulder boots or pick shoulder bracer
shrewd oriole
If boots allow you to get an extra vendetta in the fight duration
use boots
if they dont or if the boss has an extremely long execute phase or your guild has trouble on the last 30% of a boss
use bracers
zealous dew
i'd keep bracers, especially in progression where idiots die
shrewd oriole
an example of the second part would be argus
quartz tundra
y
kindred forge
I am siming highest with sholders+insignia that doesn't mean that I should ignore it and use sholders+bracers. Use what you sim best
shrewd oriole
extremely long, extremely hard phase 3, extremely tight damage requirement
sims are a specific scenario and are purely dps
dont juse "use what you sim best"
quartz tundra
ok ty very much
shrewd oriole
np
kindred forge
For me it is like 25k diference man, how I could ignore that?
quartz tundra
25k wtf
shrewd oriole
Again
If, for example, your guild is wiping to last phase imonar or last phase argus
The execute is better than the extra damage the other legendary gives
If, for example, your guild is wiping to last phase imonar or last phase argus
You need to be a smart player and adapt
Plus 25 is not a lot of dps lol
My boots sim 8k higher but I use bracers in most raids as argus progress is mostly about p3
But on kingaroth boots allows me to use vendetta on pull and have it up for the adds so I obv use boots
hot torrent
@shrewd oriole ow many Master Assasin relics do u got, when u can use Vendetta on pull and on the first adds?
shrewd oriole
Sorry that some messages sent twice, I was changing room from downstairs and we have different routers throughout the house
shrewd oriole
45 actually
Usually closer to 40 since you wanna pull
Pool*
@hot torrent 3
60 second baselin
viscid helm
the adds become active at 36s
shrewd oriole
When I had 1 I could do it with convergence
hot torrent
sadly i dont have any master assasin relics, only master alchemist, with boots do u think i get the CD on 1 min so i can use vendetta on Adds and on KG in between add spawns? i cant use it on pull, i will never get the CD ready for the adds
viscid helm
I dont know if you can do it with CoF but im pretty sure CoF is a dead trinket after the start
since you will get vendetta for boss-adds-boss-adds
shy igloo
hey so im pretty new to rogue in general my first max level one and ive been told to use rupture at 3 combo points and env at 4-5 but what about if im at 2 do i just use another mutilate if garrote isnt up for that combo point generation or do i use rupture anyway?
shrewd oriole
Nah donโt use cof on that boss, I did it as mostly memey
tough warren
hey guys, do you use any WA sets for sin?
shrewd oriole
If you donโt have the MA relics just sabe vendetta
strange python
@shy igloo its best to use rupture @ 4 cp's
specialy if u play with nightstalker
and in general, yes, u want to get enough cp's before rupturing
shy igloo
i do have nightstalker yes
strange python
else it falls off to quickly and u can get the proper rotations out
cant get*
also make sure to refresh it for pandemic
crude valley
hello everyone, can you help me to understand, why i'm too low on dps? sims 2k+ actual 1.8+
have logs etc
strange python
refresh it on time* for pandemic
@crude valley sim is always in perfect conditions.. dont be to focused on that
viscid helm
because you dont play like the sim does ๐คท
calm grail
Hey guys I'm at around 60% mastery is that enough?
strange python
I sim 2m+ as well
but I get 2.2m on some bosses
ofc u can, but no always, u can get unlucky with procs etc
not*
calm grail
30% haste 60% mastery
strange python
and what @viscid helm said
calm grail
But it feels like I do no dmg.
viscid helm
those numbers mean jack shit
crude valley
i just feel like i lost dps switching to sin
strange python
also differs per boss
sim default is standing still nothing to interrupt your dmg
crude valley
i speak for Vari
strange python
ah okay
well what helped me a lot to get to my single target dmg is making sure to get pandemic refreshes
crude valley
in sub it was 1.8-2kk for me, while simmed 1.9
shrewd oriole
Bad procs or bad player
strange python
^
shrewd oriole
Or both
strange python
#savage
shrewd oriole
Or different fight duration than the sim
shy igloo
@strange python probably a dumb question but what is pandemic ?
crystal fox
or the sim was wrong ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
viscid helm
read the guide.
strange python
well the guides explains pandemic
i think its in the FAQ section
at the bottom
How to pandemic?
Rupture
4 CP available โ reapply at 6 seconds (or lower) remaining on the existing rupture
5CP available โ reapply at 7.2 seconds (or lower) remaining on the existing rupture
6 CP available (DS) โ reapply at 8.4 seconds (or lower) remaining on the existing rupture
Garrote
tier 20 2set โ reapply at 5.4 seconds (or lower) remaining on the existing garrote
no tier 20 2set โ cooldown extends maximization window on ST, reapply whenever suitable without dropping
straight copy from the guide
viscid helm
wtf is that opener
shrewd oriole
And made a FAQ
viscid helm
read the guide
shy igloo
reading the guide now
shrewd oriole
LUL
gilded lark
96% rupture uptime
shrewd oriole
why ๐ค does ๐ค my sim ๐ค beat ๐ค me ๐ค
viscid helm
tfw you sim less than 2M
shrewd oriole
Less than 2m? 
heroic raiders
crude valley
tfw with traits it sims higher
gilded lark
the real feelsbadman is the 968 fire mage doing 1.6m
crude valley
there are was necrotic madness at the end
gilded lark
yea looks like they had someone drop shit in the raid
or hit enrage, idk what vari's enrage timer is
never had that problem
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
viscid helm
5 i think
viscid helm
i mean its pretty impossible to hit specially when the boss got nerfed by 10%
after week 1 or something
gilded lark
957 and i beat him by over 200k
crude valley
so, 8% garrote uptime and 4% rupture can cost me 200k?
viscid helm
wow
shrewd oriole
Poison bomb can cost you 100k easy
shrewd oriole
Not at all no
viscid helm
didnt vendetta on pull
gilded lark
holding tb
shrewd oriole
I had a mythic pull with 1 poison bomb
Did 3%
I felt so bad cuz it wa such a good pull besides that
crude valley
you ask me to read guide, and then tell "not using vendetta on pull"
shrewd oriole
Dang had like 80% uptime on both buffs
crude valley
wat?
gilded lark
someone hasn't looked at the recent apl changes lol
viscid helm
recent?
jovial kite
Until you try to figure out why ur bad
viscid helm
vendetta on pull has been a thing for the past 6 months
gilded lark
shrewd oriole
gigalul
crude valley
are you trolling? or not only icy-veins has shitty guides?
dire spoke
โ Meta โ
jovial kite
Apparently ur guide is icyveins tier
crude valley
jovial kite
Not even top 3 guide
crude valley
like
crystal fox
@crude valley knows better than all of yall
crude valley
you guys too toxic, thats why you are sin
jovial kite
๐คฃ
gilded lark
and look at the apl
crystal fox
๐
gilded lark
what an idiot
jovial kite
check apl
trail sky
wow whats going on
crude valley
for idiots, wtf is apl
jovial kite
or #tc-updates
gilded lark
jovial kite
action priority list that simc uses
crude valley
thank you
trail sky
come again!
primal sigil
so i use notters wa.. but if i equip vigor ring and anticipation the cp disappears
jovial kite
inb4 wer can i find apl in simulation
viscid helm
well that did you expect
gilded lark
lol
viscid helm
its made by notter
primal sigil
haha.. no but srsly XP
midnight latch
๐
dire spoke
Not even top3 WA
gilded lark
primal sigil
any idea why this is ?
jovial kite
๐คฃ
jovial kite
Also a bunny with paws for hands made it
crystal fox
not even top3 WA NA*
viscid helm
easiest way to fix it
since i dont have it
is to duplicate the CP WA
and switch it to trigger with new talent
primal sigil
yeah im doing that now
dire spoke
or switch off talents
stark fable
is there anyway to switch game sounds? saber slash sound is terrible...
jovial kite
Why use a wa for cp though
dire spoke
Mh ye
viscid helm
cos we arent all plebs using basic UI
stark fable
is there anyway to switch game sounds? saber slash sound is terrible...
viscid helm
like with EVERYTHING else
crystal fox
ctrl+s flashy
viscid helm
who plays with game sounds on
trail sky
press esc, go system, go volume, put master sound to 0 and put some dank music on
ur set
shrewd oriole
Asking outlaw questions on assa channel
jovial kite
We had ppl in guild complaining about countdown sounds being fucky
On argus
I was like
crystal fox
i turn on the music when im not raiding or in a dungeon
jovial kite
Why would you condition yourself to be a bad player and rely on sound
crystal fox
or sound that is
jovial kite
Literally had to cancel raid because ppl are potatos
viscid helm
theres no way i could get through a 7h progress raid listening to the autism on TS and the sound of my fucking mutilate
jovial kite
imo sounds are 0 value
crystal fox
outlol
viscid helm
no
crystal fox
memelaw
viscid helm
doesnt matter what you play
trail sky
outlul u mean
stark fable
is that true flowi
viscid helm
yes
stark fable
i dont wanna be sitting at te bottom of DPS charts
jovial kite
๐คฃ
primal sigil
lolokay so it works if i only keep anti or only keep vigor.. if i use the ring it disappears !
light umbra
True
shrewd oriole
Only outlaws say outlaw isnโt a meme spec
Itโs not the performance that makes the spec meme
jovial kite
trail sky
there we go
shrewd oriole
Itโs the community perception of the spec alongside having some meme-ability aspects
But yes outlaw is a total meme
jovial kite
stark fable
outlaw has some fun to it tho, sub is bland as HELL
zealous dew
marines?
shrewd oriole
I quite like assa but mostly because of how easy it is lol
shrewd oriole
Just dot all them motherfuckers and chill
viscid helm
i forgot something in this game is hard
zealous dew
yeah sub is hard
jovial kite
Tom start min maxing kb to hit always befor aa's
viscid helm
only sub players think sub is hard
crystal fox
got head yesterday, now i got KJ
viscid helm
trying to stay relevant
crystal fox
2 legos in 2 days + 1 essence lego
shrewd oriole
Kek
viscid helm
what if you have all legos, is there anything you can do with the essences?
like buy BoA tokens
trail sky
for a class that u might not even playc
jovial kite
i mean its a thing and makes the spec harder with replicable dps boost
crystal fox
guy in the guild got 4 priest so far, doesnt have one never will
trail sky
not so cool to get 3 druid tokens with 18 level druid with the new leveling shit
jovial kite
Your kb max stack potential goes up
shrewd oriole
Kappa
jovial kite
I think the bunny is hibernating
crystal fox
im still waiting for someone to make a WA to show time passed since last crit
shrewd oriole
Put an emoji on ot
zealous dew
what stacks
viscid helm
that sounds easy
jovial kite
Actually notter said he would never be asked to minmax to that extent
jovial kite
Even if its holding kb for max 0.5 sec
crystal fox
golg + kjb for m+ trash?
viscid helm
what
zealous dew
lolz
compact socket
Which 4pc slots do ppl use for assassin?
jovial kite
Head chest back legs
viscid helm
w/e is ur shittiest offpieces
shrewd oriole
Yep, anything besides shoulders is good
crystal fox
7 legendarys, 4 days played,not bad
jovial kite
antonio banderas in legenderas
crystal fox
league of legenderas
zealous dew
yet you use KJBW on m+ trash
jovial kite
๐คฃ
crystal fox
it was a question
viscid helm
glaive and kingaroth mines
crystal fox
i dont know this shiet yet, im a spriest
crystal fox
and i just got a 925 masterystick,dafuq is going on
zealous dew
sub ๐
crystal fox
im not gearing for m+, just for when i would do one
viscid helm
feral is better
shrewd oriole
Hunter is quite good
zealous dew
i'll take the aoe silence thx
shrewd oriole
T1 is probably rogue monk lock hunter when it comes to dpsers
jovial kite
Id still add warrior to t1 tbh
shrewd oriole
Depends on dungeon
jovial kite
Depends on affixes ofc
shrewd oriole
Thatโs what Blake says at least Iโm not nearly as good as him
When it comes to m+ I just regurgitate advice given to me by better players since Iโm not 4500+ ahaha
zealous dew
prydaz as rogue ๐
zealous dew
what's a warrior ?
jovial kite
Who are you
viscid helm
ur shit
zealous dew
feint
jovial kite
All you need is feint
drifting cloud
probably lose more dmg fein ting than equipping prydaz
karmic mortar
where does the alchemist stone rate on trinkets? I dont see it on hero damage, or is it too bad to rate
rotund pier
Did the assassination apl change again in nightly raidbots? down 13k in the exact same gear today vs last night
rotund pier
fuck man, 2 bugs get found in the last 2 days for sin, simdps drops around 25k
feelsbad
viscid helm
is there a way to block PM's from people who arent on my friendlist?
manic vigil
jovial kite
i dont mind answering pms during work hours
But free time is free time
This was too much though
crystal fox
be my mentor mcmasterydaddy
jovial kite
Ill be your mendor
I get like upwards 10 pms during patch days.. lower on normal days
If im at work i got time / motivation to answer and help
viscid helm
i should just forward all of them to you
gilded lark
the trick is to be super toxic all the time
gilded lark
and you'll rarely get pm's
viscid helm
why the fuck do i still get +5 PM's a day
gilded lark
but you're not like
manic vigil
I was just gonna suggest forwarding them to broadsides xd
zealous dew
= play another class
glad ferry
Any noteworthy changes for rogues in BFA alpha?
glad ferry
what I thought
dire spoke
who will be my dementor
karmic mortar
https://gyazo.com/78d8050b172beee2a9f45e35f106ae09 looks neat tho
viscid helm
looks like more RNG to me
jovial kite
Also 400% doesnt say much
dire spoke
this Patch looks like rng ๐
jovial kite
Unless you know post statsquish values and other classes said values and compare
And then expecting said values to stick for launch
so aknowledging anything else that the talent is there is moot
And even that can change
So its moot
karmic mortar
all i said was it looks neat lol
jovial kite
Y y ๐
orchid tendon
shoulda made it baseline like it was back then hehe
jovial kite
personally i dont like % chance oppourtunity procs
even pb is too much rng
Should be usable skill
dire spoke
BotA ๐
jovial kite
Actually sin would be a skill spec without pb
Now its just shit
Bota is basically irrelevant outside of exsang
dire spoke
PB proccs If 30 env clipped in a row ๐
jovial kite
just delete pb and compensate or make it an usable ability
dire spoke
Another cooldown ayyy
jovial kite
Pooling would be a thing again
And your dps would be correlated with uptime management = skill = dps
There would still be crit rng and dp rng but that is tolerable
dire spoke
Back in 2016 I was glad outlul got nerfed and switch to Sin. I hoped less RNG but LEL
manic vigil
Sin is not a skill spec, yet a couple minutes ago you trashed someone for playing unskillful ๐ค what is it
static wind
Without subterfuge or shoulders, how does vanish fit into rotation/opener? Guide doesn't cover
jovial kite
Now if you play perfect you can lose to a retard with no hands on a pull to pull basis
manic vigil
Well that's true for sure
jovial kite
you will still win on a 100 pull basis
@static wind vanish rupture
And it is covered
static wind
It is covered under exsang, but does it also hold true for poison build?
jovial kite
yes
static wind
Ok ty
crystal fox
does nightstalker stealth snapshot onto garotte and rupture?
jovial kite
Yes
crystal fox
as long as you keep it refreshed?
jovial kite
no
warm geode
mythic cache xD upgrade
zealous dew
grotz
jovial kite
Expires after 1st refresh or natural expiration
So optimalรถy you should let ur first garrote run out with ns and same applies to vanish ruoture
wispy heron
What addon is giving all@that information on the tooltip?
warm geode
honest , at this point idk
bright mantle
so whats the ''new opener''?
dire spoke
@manic vigil can you run a +15 and argus kill die me plx
dire spoke
D: I can't tho
bright mantle
garrote,mut,rup,vend,tb kb vanish eve..for opener..has something changed?
manic vigil
@dire spoke I still have no idea what you want. Work on dem englando
A wise man posted a screenshot of the opener in #tc-updates
keen inlet
peeks in
.... 
Leaves quietly
dire spoke
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crystal fox
@keen inlet i thought you were being nice to me when you gave me a colored name,but people are calling me outlaw rogue ๐ฆ
manic vigil
keen inlet
Well you were playing/talking otl bruh
manic vigil
Just color yourself
dire spoke
no time this ID ๐ฆ and also no intetwebs
manic vigil
And don't let Don bully you
viscid helm
who's faking
keen inlet
Rip then
manic vigil
And what could I of all people do about that @dire spoke
You made him yellow for lulz don
Y u no member
keen inlet
I'd change the colours again but I'll on mobile.
sleek cargo
for PVP how much healing does wound poison actually reduce healing by?
keen inlet
7.5 hour drive back to Maine ๐ซ
manic vigil
Sounds like fun don ๐ณ
keen inlet
At least I'm not driving
dusky rune
20% I think
sleek cargo
thanks ๐
dire spoke
@manic vigil log in and play. I'll touch you more
crystal fox
everyone tells me to change my own color but no one tells me how
manic vigil
@dire spoke oh I see. Account sharing is forbidden tho
warm geode
just for u guys remember, the open is with vendetta from stealth
manic vigil
Spaghet will rape me
warm geode
for shoulder and without shoulder
manic vigil
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bright mantle
so im guessing the ''new opener'' is vend,garrote,mut,rupture tb,kb,vanish eve?
viscid helm
if thats what it says
dire spoke
โ Meta โ
keen inlet
Make sure you sim. Determine what actually works for you and your gear
Don't just blindly chase "metas"
dusky rune
manic vigil
That's what the sim does. Some people follow it, others don't. I think weak said he doesn't start with vendetta regardless but I'm not sure ๐คท
warm geode
open without shoulder
Vendetta>garrote>(if cp==5)>vanish>rupture>tb>kb>go on
Vendetta>garrote>(if cp==3/4)>rupture>tb>kb(fill to 5 if needed)>vanish>rupture
open for shoulder
Vendetta>garrote>rupture>tb>kb>vanish>env
All opens is with talent NS
keen inlet
Weak is also experimenting with Anti tho
manic vigil
Yes
keen inlet
Gotta look at the full/big picture
manic vigil
Weak has 210iq so
crystal fox
come on guys,get working on EU mage tower, wanna get them sub and outlaw weaps
manic vigil
Idd
keen inlet
Etc
viscid helm
guess i should upgrade insignia
keen inlet
I've always liked insig anyway.
warm geode
with enought crit anti is possible a option
manic vigil
Starting with vendetta "feels" shit tho. Rip dat energy
warm geode
lose energy to gain the inicial ticks with garrote NS and other things , so the usual energy->damage
and for shoulders this isnt even a lost o energy cuz u stay caped when vanish like always
manic vigil
That's true. You'd have to go vendetta into muti env spam to not cap energy
Hence why I said it "feels"
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warm geode
wait, u r using vendetta when u vanish? if so u r losing the buff on tb and kb .-.
manic vigil
No, I'm using it on pull
warm geode
ok .-.
manic vigil
I just said that you should be able to dump the energy if you used vendetta at low energy and started muti env spam
With the old opener you cap energy as well, just as you said
manic vigil
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crystal fox
prepot pickpocket, only way to go
manic vigil
You still yellow mate ๐คข
crystal fox
yeah ๐ฆ
manic vigil
#bot-spam
dire spoke
dire spoke
lol
manic vigil
There you go buddy
dire spoke
ye naya tested
cerulean aspen
very nice ๐
teal glen
lol what
crystal fox
i'm green da ba dee da ba daa
bright mantle
vend,garrote,rup,tb,kb,vanish=eve...feels weird
bright mantle
yea sry forgot to type it in...lol
bright mantle
i guess..lol
dire spoke
If you feel bad about energy with Vendetta, just use feint 3x prepull
bright mantle
im confused
manic vigil
@dire spoke weSmart
bright mantle
i guess its the new opener...its cruel as shits on energy tho
teal glen
doesn't the damage from vendetta break stealth?
molten flicker
no
bright mantle
no
molten flicker
unless you have subterfuge talent
midnight latch
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manic vigil
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dire spoke
@midnight latch don't hit me pls, weak gave me GIF :<
lone junco
I'm super bummed.
crystal fox
its alright @midnight latch i can't play rogue either
manic vigil
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lone junco
I got some relics this week that pushes shoulder bracer over the top.
midnight latch
thats what you get if weak is watching your stream and you are a dumbass like me >D
lone junco
Was that your sim with high anti?
dire spoke
h3h3
manic vigil
Why do you hate mantle noobe
dire spoke
manic vigil
Bursty mcburst inc
lone junco
I like exang better due to closer peaks. Works better with priority targets bursts. And the rotation is better with 6cp.
manic vigil
How big a difference is it
lone junco
It was 30k
manic vigil
Yeah that's a thing
lone junco
It drops me to 1vendetta so it's not like I stay close
manic vigil
Rip bleedy boi
gilded lark
crystal fox
"mythic guild seeking members, currently 11/11 HC" i had no idea it worked like that, so then i could go " R1 Rogue looking for guild,currently grey parses" ?
manic vigil
At what traits do you land with the new setup?
manic vigil
Sounds alright
lone junco
Really just getting rid of my pk and garrote.
gaunt moat
context not important
dire spoke
But sin midfight burst hits not that hard right? compared to sub?
gilded lark
Coulda photoshopped a wheelchair on the end if i was feeling mean
lone junco
Losing 2p 20 is a real bummer tho.
manic vigil
You get used to it
lone junco
Real problem is destroying relics. I'm allergic.
manic vigil
Might also change again
manic vigil
I'd like to get rid of mantle for the other setup and just use mantle where it obviously shines
But I still need boots first
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Should happen any day now, last one remaining
crystal fox
i believe unimatrix
dire spoke
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lone junco
Bracer boot will prob be a gain as well. Just hate making fixed decisions.
manic vigil
I don't like believe
crystal fox
it will come tonight!
manic vigil
Belief?
open arrow
so is tb before kb better or just more bursty?
manic vigil
My Englando has forsaken me
molten flicker
yes @open arrow
open arrow
which? better?
jovial kite
it sims the highest currently
ppl also use garrote mutilate rupture kb env mut mut env tb mut vanish env mut env mut env
tough warren
i am currently using shoulders + vigor ring (ilvl 970), should i swap the ring for the argus ring?
tough warren
once i found out how to, I will do that :D thanks!
tough warren
well thats great then :D
jovial kite
@tough warren
manic vigil
What does it feel like to play without shoulders? I think I never have played rogue without
open arrow
its horrid
jovial kite
strange at first
rotund pier
subter/anti simming highest for me atm in poison(with ring/boots) weird fucking combo of all that
jovial kite
but once you realize your opener is basically irrelevant
its good
boots braer is a marathon buidl
not a 100m sprint
manic vigil
Yeah makes sense
dire spoke
๐ค
jovial kite
that your opener is shit but you do damage more evenly
rotund pier
i prefer shoulder/bracer, but it sims 7/10 gear combos for me fml
dire spoke
you need crit and 930+ set for boots
jovial kite
what
rotund pier
i meant boots/ring with subter/anti sims highest
weird af
then shoulder/boots
everyones combo on the logs-shoulder+mantle sims 7/10
jovial kite
all you want for boots is 3x ma
rotund pier
i have 3 master alc
dire spoke
what
strange python
ive played a bit arround anticaption with mantle/bracer setup ..
dire spoke
I thought the MA was for exsa
jovial kite
boots generally
rotund pier
ofc, bracers is execute gucciness, theres only 1 fight with no execute phase
dire spoke
One should be enough for poison
jovial kite
your bis relics are 3x ma 3x malch anyways
dire spoke
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viscid helm
BB ๐
jovial kite
what did you not understand zempai ๐ค
ma relic with malch and vice versa
is the best you can get
rotund pier
currently have 3 malcs, with 2 of them having ma and one gushing, not bad i guess
manic vigil
Do you need 3ma for boots? I thought that's only for exsang
jovial kite
optimally you want 3
manic vigil
K
jovial kite
regardless of exsang or tb
manic vigil
I have a malch/mastery/MA relic lying around. Just waiting for a 3rd one
manic vigil
That sure sounds juicy
hidden monolith
!relic
jovial kite
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
dire spoke
!rylix
gilded lark
!rly