assassination

[vapid moth]

No one let's you into NH raids. They all want speed clears

So year it's either argonite or pvp. Or time walking if youre lucky

Lucky as in it is time walking week

[lone junco]

I got turned down for heroic ToS pug after I'd cleared it 10 times already.

[spare cloud]

yeah same

[vocal lantern]

wut?!

[spare cloud]

well not 10 times, but people are weird

[lone junco]

Boe hat. Mastery/crit.

935 I think?

Crafted one.

[vocal lantern]

I know what you refer to.

[vapid moth]

I never cleared heroic tos till 3 weeks ago

[jovial kite]

Ok guys.. nothing beats a double quarter pounder at 3:43 am

Nothing

[limber dew]

Really hot steamy sex followed by a quarter pounder?

[spare cloud]

followed by getting fed a double quarter pounder

at 3:43 am ofc

[limber dew]

Lol

[abstract forge]

how do assassination rogues perfom in high m+?

[limber dew]

Trash aoe is a bit rng. Boss dps is solid

Sub is defo better and more consistant

But assa wins in raids

[spare cloud]

depends on dungeon tho

upper kara for example assa can be sick

but on most sub outperforms

[limber dew]

Hence my 965 EoC

Gn all

[jovial kite]

No

Dont sleep

Unless you sex and get forcefed double qb at gitmo

You cant say you lived unless its done

[warm parcel]

https://gfycat.com/BigFloweryBluebird

@midnight latch playing sin btw

[mellow pasture]

it what is happening

its too small to read numbers :0

[warm parcel]

look at gcd

and vanish

cough

[mellow pasture]

anticipation huh

[flint fable]

could be worse

[midnight latch]

👀

no one saw that

[spare nebula]

nice cheapshot

or was that blind?

im bad at icons

lol

[lean fossil]

Thats cheapshot

Just trying to figure out why they used it lol

[spare nebula]

fatfinger im guessing

man i really wanna get rid of this goddamn belt. the haste is triggering me

[onyx falcon]

Vanish+Cheap shot = new meta right? 😄

jandro you can just run upper, gives mast/crit belt and EoC

[warm parcel]

Imma ask notter to pin that

[empty tide]

PREY ON THE WEAK PROC

[onyx falcon]

pin the picture not me plz

[empty tide]

@spare nebula need to get a little more crit and you're g2g

[onyx falcon]

nah need like 30000% more mastery like everyone else does

never enough mastery

[spare nebula]

Hahaha

I have a heavy mastery ring but it sims like 10k lower because it also has 1k haste

[onyx falcon]

try running DHT, tons of crit/mast or mast/crit gear there

[spare nebula]

Thx for the tip. Will do.

Historically I have shit luck for m+ drops

:/

[echo cargo]

HoV + DhT 15s for days

[lofty sandal]

Im pretty new to sub. How can you keep Garote up for as long as possible in a boss fight

[merry root]

🤔

[zealous lily]

at 3 CP I should mut and not FOK correct?

[spare nebula]

Sub has garrote eh?

This new patch is wild

[merry root]

mut @zealous lily

[zealous lily]

thanks @austere nacellelaw wanted to make sure that was correct

[lofty sandal]

LOL Its been awhile, Mut. Just realized it can be used non-stealthed

[restive flume]

Doesnt cheap shot use up ns buff?

[void pecan]

Giggle.

why you nazi mid

[supple hearth]

hello

im not mad

[void pecan]

I have

[supple hearth]

im also not in the mid

[void pecan]

had a stroke

Plz ignore.

[supple hearth]

o-ok.

do i need to call someone for u

[void pecan]

nah, let me pass in peace.

it's my time

[supple hearth]

i'll miss her...

[lone junco]

That was one good pig.

And cheapshot was always in my sub logs.

[magic fossil]

shoulder + bracers is better again? or boots + bracers?

[wanton talon]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[vapid moth]

That has no other answer than Sim for yourself. People use both honestly

You could always be like my rogue guild mate who is still using T20 >_>

[cinder horizon]

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

[drowsy island]

i parse so low for my ilvl is it poisen bomb procs? im not really messing up my rotation cus of how easy sin is .-.

[civic palm]

Poison Bomb will not be the root cause of mediocrity.

[vapid moth]

It could be a mix of anything from gear to small rotation mishaps that Add up

[drowsy island]

im geting 95 but like 40percent for my ilvl

[vapid moth]

What's your ilvl

[drowsy island]

969

[vapid moth]

Well that's why

Not many rogues are that high. All that tiny stuff that ads up is what sets you apart from the ones at 90 for their ilvl

[drowsy island]

yea like just now i didnt get 1 poisen bomb at sub 30 hp ( using bracers)

ugh

[vapid moth]

That's still won't account for damage that is consistently lower like mizer said

[empty tide]

PB is considered a poison?

[civic palm]

and if you get 30% PBomb damage the rest of your damage is either terrible or you're so lucky no one should care about the parse.

[drowsy island]

hmm

well still would be nice to get a purple for my ilvl XP

[whole dew]

!wa

[wise frigate]

@whole dew Notter's WAs are in the pins.

[supple hearth]

or if you !wa in botspam it works there

[dire spoke]

sup

[exotic fractal]

anyone know wtf the pre patch notes were talking about when it siad vanish went from 4 to 40 sec cd? when the fuck was it 4

[analog glade]

Yo !!

[sand flax]

Those aren't patch notes. It's datamining

[shrewd night]

Thinking datamined shit is final 🤔

[supple hearth]

@exotic fractal i would personally ignore the numbers of most things

[wise frigate]

[exotic fractal]

when did I say it was final anywhere in that sentence @_@

[shrewd night]

Fine, let me rephrase

Thinking datamined shit is accurate 🤔

[wise frigate]

In 2018

[lone junco]

Patch have any value?

[supple hearth]

alpha notes btw

not even beta

lul

[lone junco]

Nah. Today's patch.

Maybe it's the same thing.

[supple hearth]

idk what they did today

[wise frigate]

They're fixing the things brought up in TC

[supple hearth]

just noticed i couldnt get in to the game for a bit

[wise frigate]

Just a bug with Memeskins and one with Sub T21 4P

[supple hearth]

nice blue response pretty quick tho so

[wise frigate]

Ikr, really nice tbh.

Both were annoying bugs.

Not that I encountered them, but I could see where they could be super annoying.

[compact carbon]

!guide

[wise frigate]

!singuide

[chrome tusk]

Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[sleek cargo]

Hey guys i have a question, i just did a +18 (not in time) but i got this trinket, do you think it will work with venomous wounds?

[muted badger]

it does not work

if it did, it would be insanely strong

[civic palm]

Not a whitelisted bleed.

[muted badger]

i have a 960 version of that pile of shit

[sleek cargo]

damn...ashame

[vapid moth]

That's a poorexucse of a garrote

[dire spoke]

would be a direct multiplier unlike Vendetta which is just flat buff. Guessing that's why it doesn't work

(which would make it "unfair")

[sudden rivet]

Hey all, looking at the opener guide on the ravenholdt site, and is there any reason we toxic blade before KB instead of during the last 7-8s of it?

[civic palm]

More DPS.

[sudden rivet]

Really?

[civic palm]

Why else would it be in the guide? To mislead you?

[sudden rivet]

I mean, I don't doubt it. I'm asking how it's more DPS.

Just trying to understand.

[dire spoke]

Vanish

[sudden rivet]

Ah

[civic palm]

Low ENV uptime at the beginning of the fight leading to not stellar KB stacks.

ENV chaining/etc.

[dire spoke]

oh I thought vanish

[civic palm]

ENV chaining is after the Vanish so you are still right.

[dire spoke]

didn't sin since sub became meta

^^

[civic palm]

The variance for damage in the opener is entirely dictated by Poison Bomb, every other combination of abilities is pretty similar.

[dire spoke]

PB and this trait buff I believe

Uhh

BotA

[civic palm]

Yeah but you have 1 chance at that in the opener, whereas PB procs off of RUP/ENV so there's a lot of potential there for it to hit.

[drowsy island]

what is a good envenom uptime

[civic palm]

on uninterrupted ST?

Not a lot of that going around.

[drowsy island]

i get like 80percent? uptime

[civic palm]

Seems fine.

[dire spoke]

BotA was entirely rng or?

[civic palm]

BotA is 30% chance on an application of Rupture.

[dire spoke]

whoop okay

[drowsy island]

well poisen bomb is becoming a talent and swapping with venom rush

so thats good

[civic palm]

Yerp.

[dire spoke]

sorry, not ingame since 3w and there is 3w to go ♿

[civic palm]

No problemo.

[drowsy island]

i just hope DFA ISNT go to when poisen bomb is a talent

[civic palm]

DFA is removed from SIN and OTL at the moment.

[dire spoke]

😏

[civic palm]

Whoa whoa whoa, calm down there satan.

[drowsy island]

please? no

grand melee 5times in a row

[dire spoke]

well I need to check my poison gear since antorus is sin heavy ... trying to dive in until then

but coming from sub, I have lots of mast/versa

should be fine

Uhh was bracers/boots only?

[civic palm]

You can do bracers/boots if you have very high item level T20 gloves/shoulders.

SiMiT!!

[dire spoke]

I know I know

[vapid moth]

Tbh the guide could be improved by providing in depth explanations for everything

[civic palm]

The guide isn't intended to be granular like that.

[dire spoke]

Notter lazy ass 🥄

[civic palm]

It would be endless and annoying to update when things change or APL optimizations are done.

There needs to be a clear intention when writing a guide like that and you need to know how in depth you should go before you start losing people or confusing them.

• • • Case and Point - - -

Tons of people come in here asking why things are different between the Opener and Rotation due to not reading further down the rather short list of bullet-points.

They also get confused on whether of either rupture or envenom should be used after Vanish while this answer is also included in said bullet-points.

Futher depth would lead to further confusion.

[dire spoke]

Put ze bulletpoints in an Image. ppl love images

[civic palm]

Where do we put that image? In the PINs? Like people read those.

[dire spoke]

I'll be ready

[sudden rivet]

Only good legendary I have is shoulders. I have crafted boots which are fun on the stats end, but that's it 😦

They still sim the highest for me.

[civic palm]

Mantle is a very lucky starting point.

[dire spoke]

lol

[sudden rivet]

Oh, I know.

[dire spoke]

mantle was my first / next lego after it got implemented after its patch

to early for logic in sentances

[civic palm]

🌆

[dire spoke]

will be fun overriding all the sub muscle memory 👺

[azure flame]

Just got Mantle for sin, anyone have a recommended opener?

[civic palm]

Check the guide or run a SIM and peep the APL.

[quick ice]

I was playing my feral the other day and caught myself trying to do my sin opener

[civic palm]

l o l

[quick ice]

Muscle memory is fun

[civic palm]

With familiarity comes flexibility.

[dire spoke]

ohhh NS rupture ... Hope I still got that WA for the empowered

Oh nvmd

I cast env anyway

They COULD add short notes for talenting, on what subt NS deci is based on in general

Damn phone 👺

[vapid moth]

Why does my Mutilate occasionally give me 3 CP even though it's buffed by shoulder

[lone junco]

well there goes my bleed.

[civic palm]

Because MUT is fucking stupid.

[lone junco]

silly relics

[civic palm]

Most of the time it's 4CP, sometimes it 's 3CP.

[dire spoke]

wb noobe 😏

[vapid moth]

Ew undead rogue

Mizer that's fucking gay

[lone junco]

I like the rotation so much more.

[civic palm]

stfu and press TB like a goodboi 😺

[lone junco]

ye

the env relics are just floaters for now.

but it is what it is.

[dire spoke]

oh fak my relics

[turbid harbor]

https://gyazo.com/ebd96641594dd228562eb7b75955254a

🤔

[dire spoke]

I have no Idea what I put in sin a month ago 😂

Anti? 🤔

[turbid harbor]

and the apl is weird

[dire spoke]

weak needs to see

[turbid harbor]

could probably make it better for more gain

pretty sure weak has seen

i think he was posting about it yesterday

[dire spoke]

I know he did a vod

[turbid harbor]

if you mutilate again before your vanish you can make all your envenoms 5cp instead of 4cp under mantle

current apl isn't doing that

[dire spoke]

but more ppl coming to anti is a yes for the idea

[lone junco]

@turbid harbor yeah the 10cp vanish env env mut env is nice.

[dire spoke]

You mean like pooling 6-9 CP?

[turbid harbor]

i wouldn't go that far

garrote -> mut -> rupture -> tb -> kb puts you at 5cp

usually you vanish envenom mut envenom spam etc

but those mut envenoms are 4cp envenoms

if you mut again

you'll be at 7-9cp

so you can vanish after one more mut

[dire spoke]

are you talking opener or mid?

[turbid harbor]

opener

[dire spoke]

Kk

Yeah makes sense since you fallback to like 2cp

Instead of 0

[turbid harbor]

yea

so you get 5cp envenoms instead of the usual 4

[dire spoke]

bot only once no?

except for crit proc

CP proc

[turbid harbor]

you'll be at 7cp

minimum when you vanish

7-9 depending on seal fate

then you go 7 -> 2 -> 6 -> 1 -> 5 -> 0 worst case

[dire spoke]

ahh

gotcha

wow anti wasn't a thing since WoD sub I believe

[turbid harbor]

i'll probably try it in heroic next week or normal this week if i bother to do it

not on argus prog though

[dire spoke]

yeah cool 👌

man I want to testdummy so bad but my interwebs is RIP for weeks

APL is not optimized for anti or?

[turbid harbor]

i doubt it

it's not doing what i would do

but maybe that's better

[onyx falcon]

K am i stupid, or did they add in an iron MAss relic to VoW recently, cause ive never seen it

[civic palm]

What's it called?

[onyx falcon]

Soulsap Shackles

ive never seen it i just saw it now

[civic palm]

That's old yeah.

[onyx falcon]

k guess im stupid

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dire spoke]

@turbid harbor you think it's a gain in mid-fight aswell?

[drowsy island]

/wowanalyzer.com doesnt work for sin?

[civic palm]

Not maintained so no.

[drowsy island]

:/ really wanna know what im doing wrong

ahhh

[civic palm]

Post a log earlier in the day, someone will look at it probably.

[drowsy island]

hmm ill try that then im a night owl so i dont wake up till 6-8pm graveyard shifts /winning

[civic palm]

I am too interested in other things atm.

[turbid harbor]

do i think what is a gain?

anticipation?

[civic palm]

anti. outside of opener

[turbid harbor]

it's probably a tiny loss during the fight

but your mantle window does more

you never waste combo points with anticipation, that is its strength

[dire spoke]

Let me rephrase

Would you mut > vanish mid-fight aswell?

sorry If you just amswered that 😂

[turbid harbor]

would i vanish at 7cp with anticipation mid fight as well?

yes

[dire spoke]

hmm right it's a situational thing

[turbid harbor]

envenoms will be hitting for 25% more damage in the mantle window

poison bomb goes from 10% to 12.5% during cds

seems good

[dire spoke]

🍆

But it all seems a mantle only build

it will be shite with bracers/boots I believe

[turbid harbor]

vigor helps boots quite a lot

i can sim bracers boots as well

[dire spoke]

giev me interwebs 👺

[turbid harbor]

https://gyazo.com/6aa0a9950c901d1f0303aacb2b85475b

vigor too good with boots

[frank badger]

damn

;-;

[dire spoke]

https://imgflip.com/i/23g3rm

@turbid harbor didn't beat anti tho

even if APL sux

[turbid harbor]

yea but it does for mantle bracer

at least they're very close with current apl, i assume it would be better with improvements

[dire spoke]

@warm parcel start the work 👺

[drowsy island]

SIN climbed up top 5 overall

pretty nice

sub fell bottom 4 xD

[dire spoke]

I switched discord spec yesterday to winning Team 💩

[restive inlet]

I'm still not ready for that

Soon (tm)

[dire spoke]

@restive inlet come mate

let it go

@turbid harbor I need not only strong t20 but also 3MA for bracers/boots poison ye? Or am I mixing up stuff with

[turbid harbor]

you only need 3ma for exsang

and exsang is pretty much dead at decent gear levels

t20 2pc is really good for boots bracer

i would honestly just recommend playing mantle bracer poison unless you have sick gear for boots bracer

[dire spoke]

T20 930+ no?

[turbid harbor]

if you raid mythic antorus then yea 930+ is a good estimate for t20 that you would need

[dire spoke]

aight

[prime void]

I wish I had sin legendaries

lol

[dire spoke]

ty 🙏

[static wind]

New to this. Why is xsang so bad if it sims so well?

And I'm hard pressed to find a log that doesn't use Master Poisoner on the first page of any fight despite claims of EP on top with exsang.

[turbid harbor]

exsang can sim well for you at lower gear levels

but, with bleeds not yet scaling from mastery, it falls behind when you have more secondary stats or access to high mastery gear

[civic palm]

Yeah just cannot get enough VERS. to combat MAS. scaling.

[lapis shale]

Is there any "ideal" situation to use anticipation?

[static wind]

@turbid harbor Lower gear levels? Herodamage has it on top as of Jan 6. Is that outdated?

Nvm found the tabs!

[rich wren]

Click the other tabs up top

Ye

[civic palm]

:"D

[static wind]

Well I need to rethink some hasty decisions made in the last few hours...

[turbid harbor]

i guess the tabs are in alphabetical order

[rich wren]

XD

[turbid harbor]

potentially misleading unfortunately

[civic palm]

I love how PSNFoK is still on there.

[quick ice]

just in case 😃

[civic palm]

Just in case someone needs to see it.

[dire spoke]

✋ viable ✋

[spice surge]

Idk what you're on about bleed being bad. Assuming Sims are modelling it correctly it's very even with poison

Its just slightly behind on hero damage due to most antorus offpieces not having crit+vers

Although it is certainly harder to gear for and probably not worth it, but still

[civic palm]

Who said it was bad? Last I checked people were talking about it just falling behind for one reason or another.

Should be better in BfA though :3

[spice surge]

It doesnt really "fall behind" though, that's the point

[sudden rivet]

How does Nightstalker work? Do the bleeds snapshot w/ it?

[spice surge]

Yes Sean

[civic palm]

With perfect gearing at high item levels it falls behind. Even if it's 10-40k.

[sudden rivet]

Ah

[civic palm]

That ~20k is fucking tiny though, and doesn't really amount to anything.

and EX is probably better on some fights.

[marble zephyr]

In the guide is says do not delay toxic blade more than 5 seconds for kingsbane, if vendetta is coming up you can delay as well. how long can you delay for vendetta before its a dps loss? The same amount of time 5 seconds?

[civic palm]

Do not delay Vendetta.

[marble zephyr]

delayin toxic blade / kb for vendetta

[civic palm]

Oh sorry read that backwards.

[spice surge]

What is really high gear levels though? Because mythic baseline definitely isn't it. I can understand with like 980, but exsang has busted crit weights and doesn't scale as bad as you seem to think

[civic palm]

5 seconds on KB is getting to be too long yeah.

[sudden rivet]

NS/Vigor is simming ~1% ahead of Sub/DS for me... does much change for playstyle?

[civic palm]

Vigor is easier due to the larger NRG pool and NRG regen.

and due to the regen getting more ENV. uptime if your planning isn't great.

[turbid harbor]

bleed has more problems than just "poor scaling" but it's often more trouble than it's worth to go into

[sudden rivet]

I'm torn between going sin or staying sub...

[civic palm]

Do w/e you like more, otherwise you will be miserable in the long run.

or at least... less happy.

[sudden rivet]

I enjoy not-outlaw.

[civic palm]

ha

[sudden rivet]

Both are fun for me.

[marble zephyr]

Another question from the guide it says " When both bleeds are up use Envenom at 4+ combo points. Try to use Envenom right before your Envenom buff falls off." now if i get a 4cp mutliate right after I envenom would I wait for envenom to nearly expire and pool energy or just dump the next envenom even though the buff would overlap?

[sudden rivet]

But... in terms of which 2nd leggo to target, I'd like to know which loot spec to set haha.

[civic palm]

Yeah pool.

MUT doesn't do great damage.

[sudden rivet]

I've already got shoulders.

[static wind]

Notter - 12/07/2017
Current Best way to gear yourselves:
2p T20 (shoulders/hands) + 4p T21.
Bracers/Boots legendaries

Does this still hold true? Seems a bit old.

[civic palm]

Which is what you would be filling your time with if you ENV spam.

If you have very high item level 2pT20 (gloves/shoulders) it's probably still better.

[static wind]

935 high enough in those slots?

[civic palm]

SiMiT

Might be though.

[static wind]

fasho just spitballing

[civic palm]

Considering the rest of your gear I can't really know.

[static wind]

poison build though, right?

[civic palm]

Yeah works there.

[sudden rivet]

If I've got a 945 Shadow-Singed Fang... am I doing pretty well for trinkets? Guide says "high ilvl".

[static wind]

Just to be clear. It seems that bracers/boots are mentioned most often paired with xsang.

[civic palm]

With how much fucking damage Deadly Poison does having huge ENV. uptime is very important.

SSF even at Normal item levels is very very good.

[sudden rivet]

Ah

[civic palm]

The uptime is somewhere around 50%

[sudden rivet]

Currently runnung Heroic SSF and a mastery stat stick at 915 cause my luck is balls.

[civic palm]

Keep on gamblin :"D

[sudden rivet]

Yarp.

Doing everything including running the argussian reach shoulder enchant for gambling changes.

chances*

[civic palm]

I can't complain with Pantheon trinkets being fucking 980 now > _>

[sudden rivet]

I'd love a Pantheon trinket.

[civic palm]

Wait I can complain, boosts my iLevel too much.

Please nerf.

[sudden rivet]

Hah

[warm parcel]

Anti was updated last night

[civic palm]

ooo

[smoky wind]

Hey, i've just recently decided to make a swap from sub to assassination, i'm learning it pretty fast but it feels energy hungry and there seems to be a decent amount of downtime whilst waiting for energy - is it supposed to be like this? 😒

[warm parcel]

So shuld be live maybe

[spice surge]

Big gains?

[warm parcel]

@dire spoke👺

[dire spoke]

🙏 weak

[warm parcel]

It wasnt anything amazin. Like 12-25k dependin on setup

[spice surge]

Sweet

[warm parcel]

But does actually represent a little better style now

[spice surge]

I'm Assuming that also makes soul ring slightly less awful too

[dire spoke]

@turbid harbor look !

[static wind]

Where can I read about my opener without shoulders but also without subterfuge? It's not covered in guide.

[spice surge]

Because generally subterfuge Sims higher without shoulders

[turbid harbor]

soul ring is always going to be awful for sin

compared to other options

[warm parcel]

Also

[static wind]

@spice surge Not in my case : /

[warm parcel]

We have a new opener

[turbid harbor]

@warm parcel i was talking about an anticipation earlier, different to what the apl is doing atm

[warm parcel]

https://gfycat.com/BigFloweryBluebird

[turbid harbor]

https://gyazo.com/9169bc73ed1b650692a77b1376cd33e5

[warm parcel]

Thanks to @midnight latch

[turbid harbor]

mine didn't include cheap shot tho

so i guess it's a loss

[warm parcel]

🤔

[spice surge]

Why the cheap shot though?

[warm parcel]

joke

[turbid harbor]

because finns have fat fingers

[dire spoke]

cheap shot 😂

[spice surge]

Its for bfa

[warm parcel]

Also ye ha that idea

About opener

[somber forge]

free cheap shot

2cp 😏

[warm parcel]

But that runs out of energy

[turbid harbor]

it doesn't if you vendetta before tb and use belf racial

[warm parcel]

Ven first 👺

[turbid harbor]

belf racial later during vanish nuke

[dire spoke]

thistle tea

[turbid harbor]

ya idk about this ven first

was a surprise to me it's still simming highest after the ns snapshot on from the shadows got fixed

5cp envenoms in your mantle window is a pretty big deal though

[dire spoke]

I want to help 😭

but I can't 😭

So belf is required for anti 👺

[marble zephyr]

do you just pray for posion bomb procs to do any kind of aoe damage in M+?

[turbid harbor]

belf is required for wow always

😄

[dire spoke]

my body

my rules

[sudden rivet]

:alliancefeelsbadman:

[dense yew]

@Xerzullo#6089 make sure you have poisons on, vigor talent, don’t let garrote or rupture drop. Keep Env buff if you can.

[tribal shuttle]

Just make sure you have envenom up for the entire Kings bane duration and ur good

[drowsy island]

i think he left

XP

[shrewd oriole]

kek

[tribal shuttle]

Is 2.25 mil dps good for kingaroth mythic fight in general

?

[zealous dew]

no

[drowsy island]

TOM came sin from sub

[quick ice]

2.25 is pretty ok

~85% I think?

[steep obsidian]

the sneaky vanish cheapshot

best opener

[civic palm]

About as Sneaky as a printout telling you to Cheap Shot.

[karmic mortar]

does bracers affect poioson bomb?

[stark heart]

y

[warm parcel]

:goodmorning:

[stark heart]

[warm parcel]

👺

[civic palm]

🌆

[dire spoke]

new dagger mog

[warm parcel]

so

what was the exact opener sequence

gar mut rup
ven tb kb mut vanish

into belf

[drowsy island]

envemon not mut

why would u met at 5 cb xD

[warm parcel]

anti

do you even meta

hello

[civic palm]

Anticipation

[warm parcel]

👺

[civic palm]

Not even Alacrity.

[lone junco]

you would not believe how many times i yelled at this fucking rogue.

[civic palm]

haha

[drowsy island]

people actually run tht?

[lone junco]

TURN ON YOUR BLADEFLURRY

[civic palm]

CBB is fucking cool.

Get over it.

[warm parcel]

baldfurry 🤔

[turbid harbor]

yea

[civic palm]

Baldfury indeed.

Boldfurry... > _>

meebeenaught

[lone junco]

I beat the rogue. and I was on Hpal

[turbid harbor]

gar, mut, rup, ven tb, kb, mut

[drowsy island]

even with anti im sure you can fit a envenom into shoulders crit buff right?

[turbid harbor]

7-9cp

[lone junco]

for full instance. holy shit

[civic palm]

Of course you did, he was fucking CBB.

[turbid harbor]

vanish envenom mut envenom mut envenom

[lone junco]

tbh. I was often top dmg with the crusader strike spam /shocks.

[civic palm]

I love love love CBB but it has need some work for like... 500 days.

[lone junco]

was pretty impressive

yeah CBB needs reset based on targets hit

[shrewd oriole]

@drowsy island yeah man assa is op ofc I’m gonna play it ahah

[onyx rock]

How much sim dps you guys lost because of simc changes ? I lost over 60k

[civic palm]

lemme check for you real quick

[warm parcel]

60k

[civic palm]

Previous was 1.966

[warm parcel]

with what

[civic palm]

with 10 pantheon

[dire spoke]

weak making sin bad again 👺

[warm parcel]

post the html

[civic palm]

Should actually be 19 pantheon...

[shrewd oriole]

I can check

I was at 2.25

Am at 2.21

[civic palm]

1.966 ~> 1.954

100k iterations

[warm parcel]

Those all sound like the NS fixes

[civic palm]

IIRC there was some resolutions around NS

[warm parcel]

Which werent live in rb last night

[shrewd oriole]

Yep

[civic palm]

Yeah NS fixes simming incorrectly.

[dire spoke]

🤔

[quick ice]

yeah, down about 35k from that.

[shrewd oriole]

Feels bad man

Not beating the hero damage sim anymore

[civic palm]

FeelsWhatYouWereActuallyDoingMan

[shrewd oriole]

It’s about sending a message

[civic palm]

SIM should PB more, as I am just that lucky.

1.968 with the correct P.trinkets

Gains! Ha!

_>

[dire spoke]

Holding back Vendetta for PB

[shrewd oriole]

Sub 2 plebs

[civic palm]

1/11 tardz

wewboi

[shrewd oriole]

Sad face

[civic palm]

Eh we'll get doggos sometime.

[shrewd oriole]

Felhounds mythic the real wall

[civic palm]

Before the heat death of the universe.

[warm parcel]

🤔

[civic palm]

Maybe.

[warm parcel]

I tried changing the opener

And didnt do it properly

[shrewd oriole]

There’s a guy on my server who organizes pugs and clears 5

[warm parcel]

And got 10k more dps

🤔

[civic palm]

ha

Considering my server I could PUG it pretty easily.

[steep obsidian]

opener doesnt matter just mash random buttons and hope for a poison bomb

[civic palm]

You are thinking WRONG.

[turbid harbor]

nice 😃

[shrewd oriole]

What server you’re on?

[civic palm]

this one right here ^^^

[warm parcel]

I dont know why this happened

but it did

[civic palm]

GZ

[turbid harbor]

what is the sim opening with?

[civic palm]

VEN ~> G I bet

[dire spoke]

cheap shot

duh

[warm parcel]

https://i.imgur.com/bQijoCo.png

this seems like a gain at least now

[civic palm]

Why the 1 second wait on vendetta?

not that it matters

[warm parcel]

to have energy for the mantle window

[dire spoke]

what about trolls 👺

[civic palm]

k k

[shrewd oriole]

Oh storm rage

Is that US?

[civic palm]

Yessir

[shrewd oriole]

Got no idea about alliance servers besides raven rest Eu

[civic palm]

Last of the NAdiots on atm I imagine.

[shrewd oriole]

Maelstrom is now dead since scrubusters moves feels bad

[turbid harbor]

is that not going to be worse than just 1 mut on average?

[dire spoke]

ez realm#1 then?

[turbid harbor]

that sim got 7 cp from 2 muts outside of mantle window

[warm parcel]

lemme make it so it doesnt env inbetween

that wasnt supposed to be there

but it seems like a gain 🤔

[turbid harbor]

😄

[quick ice]

that never happens to me 😦

2cp mut all day

[civic palm]

g e t m o r e c r i t

raw 4CP Muts ❤

[shrewd oriole]

Too much mastery

Kappa

Feels bad I have two balanced blades so my mut has like 50% crit

[civic palm]

still2CPlife

[shrewd oriole]

I wish we kept the 3% dp danage per pk relic

[civic palm]

I think my MUT is @ 50% with SSF up.

Probably like 52%

[shrewd oriole]

I’m legit doing same dps in dungeons as I was doing last week but less st

[civic palm]

New PK feels fucking BAD man

[raven spoke]

yea m+ dmg is terrible

lol

[shrewd oriole]

Nah

[civic palm]

Can I... can I get my DP damage back please?

[drowsy island]

was it ever good

[civic palm]

PK was very very good

[shrewd oriole]

I actually did FUCKING MAD damage yesterday

[civic palm]

For ... reasons.

[spice surge]

Dp gate

[shrewd oriole]

On a +25

[civic palm]

I mean when people were using PK normally.

[shrewd oriole]

Stuff lives so long

[drowsy island]

highest i do is 16s cus noone want to take me till iget prydaz 😦

[shrewd oriole]

I was outdpsing

Rogue doesn’t need prydaz

[spice surge]

Prydaz as Rogue ❔

[shrewd oriole]

For a lot of fights

[civic palm]

Get more artifact knowledge OBV.

[shrewd oriole]

Cheat death cloak feint

[drowsy island]

TELL THAT TO PEOPLE WHO GO '' do u have prydaz'' no /decline

[civic palm]

feint death cheat cloak

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

[civic palm]

works as well

[shrewd oriole]

They’re bad

[civic palm]

They're fucking awful if they disregard the best mitigation there is.

[shrewd oriole]

Legit the rank one and rank two raider io are in my guild everything I know I learn from them

Rogue doesn’t need prydaz

[civic palm]

Why do I need Prydaz when I can press a button and have one on demand and not sac. DPS legendaries?

[shrewd oriole]

It’s insane how knowledgeable they are about dungeons

[flint fable]

rank 1 and rank 2 what

[civic palm]

Jesus and Christ

[shrewd oriole]

Divinefield and divinefieldx

Ahaha

[turbid harbor]

you know raptil and blake?

[shrewd oriole]

Jesus the lord and the Holy Spirit

[turbid harbor]

i used to play with them 😃

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah man

Ahaha

Not really close to rap til he’s not a chatty dude but Blake’s my boy

[turbid harbor]

before i quit tryharding and started raid logging

yea blake never shuts up 😄

[shrewd oriole]

Him in raids is gilaruousb

Hilarious*

20 seconds in “fuck guys this is a rank one pull”

[civic palm]

We've a DK that does the same.

[turbid harbor]

i raid with 2 other rogues

if we get bombs on opener

we start making orgasm sounds

[civic palm]

I legit cannot find more Rogues.

IF I COULD

I have a fucking WA for them.

[shrewd oriole]

Did you on

Know*

At least in late wod

Mid* wod

[quick ice]

I got double bomb on AHC opener once

[civic palm]

...

[shrewd oriole]

Rogue was the least played class

[civic palm]

FUCKING TYPE RIGHT!!

Rogue is still very low player count IIRC.

[quick ice]

then warrior managed to step on all the mines and we wiped

[shrewd oriole]

Even though it was broken for two tiers in a row

[quick ice]

I think he knew

[shrewd oriole]

I’m sorry I’m on mobile

[civic palm]

People really don't seem to like Rogue.

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah it’s pdd

[civic palm]

But we're SO friendly.

[shrewd oriole]

Odd*

I think it’s cuz sub’s high skill floor spec and is usually the best spec

It’s a turn off for some people

[drowsy island]

i just wanna go sleep but i cant win a bg for my essence

[civic palm]

Nah we've been low pop. for a lot longer than that.

[shrewd oriole]

But rogue has always been hard to play

[dire spoke]

we start making orgasm sounds

@turbid harbor We did that too back in NH at alluriel 😂

[drowsy island]

sin dotn feel hard to play o.o

[quick ice]

even when braindead sin was god tier in NH we were low pop

[shrewd oriole]

Maybe discounting vanilla and early tbc but late tbc rotation was complicated

[sleek umbra]

Rogue is just slightly more played than DH iirc

[shrewd oriole]

What no way

Everyone has a DH lol

[drowsy island]

dh is wheelchair isnt it? like bottom 6?

[civic palm]

I played RestoShaman through Sunwell.

So dunno about then.

[shrewd oriole]

Traitor

Rogue on muro

I was fucking 10

Had my mic muted at all times so no one found out I was a kid

[civic palm]

Hey someone had to help EJ whip those fucking forums into shape.

[shrewd oriole]

Ahaha

Rogue is 7.9% of all classes

[civic palm]

Then I was super casual for a long long time.

[shrewd oriole]

Below rogue we have shaman lock monk and DH

[civic palm]

Super Casual now as well but my knowledge is way way higher.

[sleek umbra]

DH only has like 12 levels though. Think of all the poor abandoned levelling rogues people have.

[civic palm]

BS, lock rally?

[shrewd oriole]

However

This is at 1-110

[civic palm]

Is that @ level cap?

oooo

Yeah

[shrewd oriole]

If we look at just 110

Rogue is second least played

[civic palm]

Monk?

[shrewd oriole]

Ahead only of monk

Highest is demon hunter

As I expected

[civic palm]

Yarrr

Yep.

[shrewd oriole]

Followed by Druid and paladin

There are only 428k rogues compared to 776k DH and 694k Druid

[civic palm]

We're a rare breed > _>

I typed in bread there...

wanted to keep it so bad.

[shrewd oriole]

Damn

[quick ice]

rare bread

like good sourdogugh

[warm parcel]

Man Im having a hard time translating this change into default 🤔

[drowsy island]

leveling a rogue was the most painful thing i ever experience

[shrewd oriole]

The highest Eu server has nearly a million players at 110 just in the last month

[civic palm]

_>

[drowsy island]

cant aoe stuff

[shrewd oriole]

That’s crazy

[warm parcel]

But its a random 10k increase

[drowsy island]

tried to level outlaw hated myself even more

[dire spoke]

Maybe APL is broken 🤔

[civic palm]

Wanna know what was ACTUALLY the dumbest thing I ever did?

Leveled through TBC as rShaman.

[shrewd oriole]

Oh no

Why

[civic palm]

It was very easy.

You can't die.

and I was on fucking Spinebreaker.

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah you take half a year tho

[civic palm]

Nah, you get a buddy and it's great.

But the solo time was rather annoying.

[shrewd oriole]

My cousin played resto / enh (mostly enh)

It was so nice

Wind fury me you little bitch

[civic palm]

rShaman was fucking INSANE during TBC.

Completely bonkers.

[shrewd oriole]

Paladin was nuts too in sun well

[civic palm]

But without spell power conversions leveling was tiresome.

[shrewd oriole]

Once they reached crit cap

[civic palm]

Paladin was actually numerically broken for a bit.

But then again anyone that raiding late into TBC hit crit cap and was technically broken as well.

Worse than w/e we fucking have now.

No problem guild, let me explain why getting more Hit Rating increases your chance to Critically Strike.

🗡

TBC also had Expertise and REFORGING.

[exotic geyser]

Looks like Deeper Strategem APL could use some love too.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6WrZWRFZwbvAKVY6MHBmqn/simc

Doesn't use vanish until over a minute into the fight (with shoulders).

[civic palm]

ugh

[quick ice]

I don't think reforging was in TBC

[civic palm]

MOP yeah

wrong place

Expertise though

It's like 4:10

am

leavemealone

Why did I conflate the two? Who knows.

[quick ice]

had weaponskill for a bit too, which was gross

and it was the weird expertise that went up in 0,25% increments iirc

[civic palm]

Yeah the rounding was stupid.

But it was OK so long you were DPS.

Get the trinket from the Quel'danes dungeona and you were set.

Stupid stat.

[dire spoke]

TBC was socket mania

[civic palm]

quel... danas? danus? w/e

[quick ice]

the number of crimson spinels

[civic palm]

Sunwell was like...

fucking...

[quick ice]

and they were so expensive

[gilded lark]

Quel danes

[civic palm]

SOCKETS WE GOT SOCKETS

[dire spoke]

Queld anus

[civic palm]

YOU WANT SOCKETS WE GOTTEM?!

[gilded lark]

The danish elves

[civic palm]

THREE SOCKETS IN A WEAPON SURE

[dire spoke]

AND A META 4HEAD

[civic palm]

THREE SOCKETS IN FUCKING EVERYTHING

[gilded lark]

Meta sockets were gross

[civic palm]

Sockets in your TOTEM?

Nope can't do that.

[gilded lark]

Don't remind me

[wise frigate]

Sunwell Plateau was actually Taric's homeland.

[shrewd oriole]

kek

[gilded lark]

LOL

[civic palm]

Then we removed the totem slot because we're jackasses.

[wise frigate]

GEMS ARE TRUELY TRUELY OUTRAGEOUS

[gilded lark]

Can we get an F for old totems

[civic palm]

PROM BROKE TOTEMS REMOVE THEM

Fucking... killjoys.

[gilded lark]

I miss old shaman :(

[civic palm]

Lemme, namechaaaaange.

okayThere

[dire spoke]

He got insane ):

[gilded lark]

Running enh with a 2h and fucking destroying people

[wise frigate]

Sulfuras WF BONK BONK BOI

[civic palm]

Random Blacksmithing 2hander BOOP

WF was broken enough.

That if you waited to preload RNG you could still 1 shot people are resto with a Hand of Rag.

[quick ice]

oh man, stunherald

[gilded lark]

That was so busted

[wise frigate]

True, but seeing a shaman running at you with Sulf was enough to make anyone shit their pants.

[civic palm]

Auto-attack... dead.

[gilded lark]

Want a stun without diminishing returns? Have this mace

[civic palm]

Wanna know what's even more pants shitting?

Invis. Pot Hand of Rag :3

[wise frigate]

Taco Bell with laxatives?

[civic palm]

and...

[gilded lark]

Classic gonna be lit

[civic palm]

you're a skellemon from Noggenfogger.

and...

you could still ghost wolf and retain the skelly.

Spooky.

[wise frigate]

Super skelly

[dire spoke]

lvl19 outgeared rog BOOP

[civic palm]

Spooky Skellies 1shotting out of stealth as rShaman with HoR.

[dire spoke]

PvP gonna be lit

[civic palm]

aka dumb.

but the best?

at the same time.

I am legit torn between shaman and rogue in classic.

Will have to wait to see the changes.

[dire spoke]

I mained paladin in vanilla ♿

BEST

Time

not

[civic palm]

BED TIME LATER 🌆

[sand whale]

I levelled as a holy pally when I first started

complained about it then levelled a prot warrior

[dire spoke]

took me almost a year to 60 the pal

🙏 outfight rezzing was lit

[sand whale]

auto attack + judging is great!

[dire spoke]

But then fixes 😢

[sand whale]

classic servers

shockadin revival

or was that bc? shrugs

[dire spoke]

idk it gave me enough cancer for the rest of WoW to main rogue only since

[gilded lark]

Only main or only play rogue?

[dire spoke]

both 😂

[gilded lark]

Jesus

[dire spoke]

I had no clue what I did in vanilla anyways, but pala still got me nuts

[gilded lark]

You're missin out lol

How do you not get bored??

I play one class for a tier and get bored of it

[dire spoke]

I'm thinking of getting the ravenholdt logo tattooed 🤔 or the rogue emblem

[turbid harbor]

I only ever maintain alts if I’m actively playing the game outside of raid logging

Always main rogue

[dire spoke]

rog is life

rog is bigdigg

[sand whale]

I use to maintain my alts.. until... artifact bs

[dire spoke]

even tho I put all effort in one toon I should be a lot better tbh. But I lacked connections to talk about stuff ... Well before discord

my hope lies in you guys 🙏

[shrewd oriole]

you're fucked lol

[dire spoke]

I realized that ye

😂

BUT LET A MAN DREAM

[turbid harbor]

😀

[brisk forge]

Oh Zempai i feel for you xD

[shrewd oriole]

It a weird realization but if you understand like 90% of every game's population is trash

then things like reddit, forums and class discords make way more sense

[turbid harbor]

You should see Diablo 3

[shrewd oriole]

ye it's even worse in moderately complex games

[wise frigate]

D3 general chat

[shrewd oriole]

like arpgs

wow's simple af compared to the likes of poe

[turbid harbor]

I’m currently rank 1 on solo dh leaderboard by 2 tiers

[shrewd oriole]

Poggers

[turbid harbor]

And my clear threads on reddit are cesspools of hatred

[shrewd oriole]

I quit d3, am a man of poe now

great game, d3 that is

[gilded lark]

one grind simulator to another

[wise frigate]

They're just salty cause they keep getting caves on their pushing rifts. Or aqueducts.

[shrewd oriole]

basically

I like grinding tho

grinding is fucking fun

[warm parcel]

d3 👺

[wise frigate]

With all Fallen Shaman and Impalers.

🤢

[warm parcel]

I liked very early seasons

like 2 and 3

[wise frigate]

Yeah I miss my S1 HSG 'sader

[turbid harbor]

I preferred the game after perma cc was removed

[wise frigate]

So much fun clearing rifts just walking into things just TASTE MY HOLY LIGHT DICK BITCHES

[warm parcel]

perma ss dh in vanilla btw

[turbid harbor]

But I dislike group play in the current state of the game as well

[wise frigate]

Charge barb in S2 btw

[warm parcel]

s1 jade

❤

[crystal fox]

whirlwind barb, hold left mousebutton and watch a movie

[warm parcel]

ahah

[gilded lark]

i miss my charge barb

that shit was fun

but it's on console, and now outdated

[balmy condor]

sooooooooooooo........... dispatch is on beta

:D

[open reef]

And small mantle

[spice surge]

Dispatch competes against master poisoner though 🤔

Maybe that's not as relevant anymore in bfa, but we'll see.

[quick ice]

With bleeds being affected by mastery we might see the return of EP over MP

Feelycrafting at this point ofc

[spice surge]

I kind-of dislike bleeds being affected by mastery because then mastery basicly turns into vers

But its W/e i guess

[quick ice]

Still doesn't work on mut/aa(/dispatch)

[dire spoke]

Outlaw will be king first tier

:poop:

[prime void]

what would make helm my top simming leggo by like over 40k dps ?

both boots and bracers

[crystal fox]

if your other healm is crap

[gilded lark]

shit off pieces

well, shit helm

good off pieces

[prime void]

all my gear is good tbh

Like off pieces shouldnt be making that big of a difference in first place

[shrewd oriole]

Some guy appear to our guild

Is 20, calls himself a salesman

What are the odds he’s a drug dealer

[wise frigate]

Bout 80%

[crystal fox]

110%

[prime void]

110

[shrewd oriole]

Apped* sorry

[onyx rock]

or just talking shit

because thinks its cool

i mean 20...

hes a kid

[dire spoke]

🤔

depends on NA / EU

[crystal fox]

you probably just offended alot of people here

[balmy condor]

:REEEEEEE:

[onyx rock]

with 20/kid ?

[crystal fox]

yeah

[onyx rock]

i mean i am 30 and i still feel like a kid

[crystal fox]

you may feel like a kid but you arent one

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

There 20 year olds and there’s 20 year olds you know

[onyx rock]

yes i totally agree

[shrewd oriole]

I think it’s more on a person to person basis than a sweeping generalization

[balmy condor]

blue's getting deep in here

[crystal fox]

by social standards a 20 year old today should be fully functional adult doing their part in the society

[shrewd oriole]

“Their part”

Studying and leeching off my parents OMEGALUL

[crystal fox]

that's what i do and im 28 😏

studying and leeching that is

[prime void]

I mean I think you can be a "man" at 14-15-16

just depends on your life.

[crystal fox]

essence lego time,wish me luck

[gilded lark]

sephuz

[crystal fox]

prydaz

[gilded lark]

lul

[balmy condor]

worth

[dire spoke]

deep talk in sin

OMEGALUL

[strange python]

tfw I got all legos for all specs in 3 months with my rogue

[crystal fox]

well,atleast sub and outlol tower will be peasy with prydaz and valeeras..

[vivid bone]

it's easy without too

[crystal fox]

hey,dont take this away from me now

[vivid bone]

outlol doesn't even have the meteors anymore

[crystal fox]

tell me i need them

[nova pagoda]

sub you can jsut go Soothing Darkness and get like all the healing you need

[balmy condor]

I can't get myself to hit that activate button on outlaw

[vivid bone]

I did it first try

[prime void]

Or just just skip everything
Lol