I just thought it must be 10 min since noobe posted a statistic
#assassination
manic vigil
manic vigil
Right on time buddy
lone junco
gotta cherry pick them appropriately
dire spoke
Well RIP sabbeltea
manic vigil
M elitist jerks 🤢
signal oxide
so, becuase i have 2 PK relics still, raid bots is suggesting i use FoK at 3 CPs instead of Mut, what do you guys think. really worth it? or just stick to mut
dire spoke
hello 
lone junco
calm grail
My is hard.
dire spoke
I can't
strange python
gilded lark
wah wah
strange python
Thinking emoji
lone junco
boo add cheese at 95%
zealous dew
oh look not so great anymore
dire spoke
Hope my gear fits poison
zealous dew
in the meantime fury warrior...
dire spoke
They Brown Like poop
lone junco
@signal oxide you can mut or fok at 3cp. what ive seen it is a wash. never mut at 4.
from what ive seen.
lone junco
you can take the fok condition out and sim that manually.
signal oxide
im not sure how honestly
tough warren
uhm, how do I decide if i wanna play poison or bleed build?
dire spoke
crit
lone junco
I go to the HTML output of a simc. and go to profile and copy the mass block. then edit in advanced.
gilded lark
you play both specs and decide what you enjoy playing
lone junco
@tough warren if you dont have bracer/boot and 3 vendetta, then stick to poison until that time.
strange python
tough warren
i think you mean legendarys right? I got shoulders and the vigor talent ring
dire spoke
three Vendetta like 2k16
lone junco
sure.
strange python
Did they nerf the vendetta sound?
warm parcel
ye
steep obsidian
you mean the from the shadows sound?
warm parcel
16 months ago
steep obsidian
kachink kachink
strange python
I like listening to in game sound
dire spoke
Oh noo ): was hyped to annoy my raid again with respec
lone junco
yeah. ive had sound off for like 3 years
strange python
Cause I can't see very well it helps
dire spoke
RIP
gilded lark
What you do is play music loud enough that you can't hear your raids voice chat
lone junco
it was nice occasionally for outlaw. lots of clicks and booms
strange python
The kachink noise made my day listening to my guilds complaining on what that noise was
tepid hornet
Guide says on opener tb then kb, correct?
gaunt trench
I don't get it, if Bracers/Boots is the best way to gear myself why i simply cannot sim higher than Shoulders/Bracers? With 2p T20 of course. I even tried to sim with those 2 pieces 945 and it's always bad.
The pin is outdated?
supple hearth
have you tried 4 pc t21
gilded lark
Not sure if trolling or
gaunt trench
Yeah, with my 4pc T21 (2 of them Mythic).
supple hearth
link sims
warm parcel
2+4 doesnt automatically make it better than mantle
gilded lark
he's got 945 t20, i'm sure t21 isn't an issue giggle, wtf lol
warm parcel
It is just easy to achieve
steep obsidian
2p 4p doesnt sim well for me either but i have shit t20 and fuck all crit
and decent offset bits
lone junco
@gaunt trench if your shoulders are high by far, then you might be pretty low crit
but that is the reason for the sim to begin with.
steep obsidian
mastery still about the same as crit for me in sims and changing to full crit gem and enchant isnt a huge diff either
gaunt trench
I don't have 945 @gilded lark , i did a "gear compare" in raidbots to see if anything would change with T20 pieces higher.
mellow flower
what legendarys do u guys use for aoe ?
gaunt trench
@lone junco i have 31% crit, it's shit?
tepid hornet
Why does tb go before kb on opener?
gilded lark
try again
gilded lark
because kb is nature damage and tb boosts nature damage?
strange python
TB buffs the initial kb hit
lone junco
@gaunt trench not shit. Shoulder bracer and bracer boot can be very close, depending on your off pieces. i wouldnt be surprised either way.
gilded lark
ye read the tooltips next time
tepid hornet
Ok :)
gaunt trench
@lone junco oh i get it!
lone junco
@manic vigil you're not wrong about the spreadsheets tbh.
strange python
what am I looking at.
spare nebula
yo, just an aside. shoutout to the mods for allowing other emojis 
sub channel is boring
warm parcel
👉 🚪 
lone junco
:teafrog:
strange python
10/10
spare nebula
a+
strange python
that's. kermit
lone junco
do you guys actually pay for the nitro?
strange python
not just any frog
spare nebula
yeah
lone junco
kremit is fine
spare nebula
i pay for it
strange python
the most famous of frogs
spare nebula
but also my best friend works there
so i feel like im paying for his salary
and remind him every chance i get
lone junco
1$/mo?
lone junco
👀
strange python
5$ an hour
spare nebula
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lone junco
baller for sure
spare nebula
lol
lone junco
making it rain with the mojis
gilded lark
strange python
goatse... haven't heard that name in a long time
spare nebula
😦
strange python
your name?
lone junco
tubgirl is also pretty bad
strange python
need to unspec sub
lone junco
my stomach just turned
spare nebula
success
strange python
it took me like 8 tries to unspec bleed. the bot is sleepy.
warm parcel
foking chinese
warm parcel
breaking the meta again
lone junco
note that it is a 3min fight. in the longer fights you miss more and more tbs.
tepid hornet
aha
maiden finch
Just read the pin, so what opener is best now? didnt quite get it 😛
strange python
just want vendetta to be on cd asap.
lone junco
the Ecap is apparently irrelevant. just mash faster.
lone junco
tepid hornet
ah lol
dire spoke
oh good I'm not pleb
tepid hornet
i missed it cos its chinese or whatever
tepid hornet
how does it show in eng on you?
its all chinese for me
LOL
google translate chinese to eng > 冲动恶徒骑盔
thats the helm t21
strange python
hey guys, do i play with venom rush in m+ or is DfA better for the AoE part?
lone junco
I clicked the blue translate button
@strange python only VR. never Mark or Dfa for sin
strange python
THX
lone junco
that vendetta garrote mut rupture should be fine for all cases
beyond that will depend on NS or Subterfuge and shoulders vs exang etc
lone junco
i bound it to an opener macro
warm parcel
ven doesnt break NS stealth
lone junco
yesterday was Vend/kb
warm parcel
other stealths it does
tepid hornet
now vend/garrote?
steep obsidian
why would you vend out of stealth? that seems silly
or you talking about from vanish
steep obsidian
that seems like a huge energy waste
lone junco
most do.
vendetta doesnt snap anymore. so the gain is a tick.
so just mash your opener
drifting cosmos
did it use to snap kb dmg?
lone junco
get a log and check resources and see how much energy is capped/lost.
snap meaning full e on vendet.
spare nebula
hrm yeah wouldnt you waste energy with this opener?
viscid helm
the wasted energy is worth less
spare nebula
gotcha
warm parcel
youll lose a 100 energy out of your total 5000 over the fight
viscid helm
than delaying vendetta and losing the dmg increase for the auto attacks/poison/mut
warm parcel
make it 100 out of 8000
ashen fossil
so the opener is now garotte>vendetta>mutilate>rupture>TB>KB>and so on?
viscid helm
no
lone junco
we can look at logs once I see a good one live
viscid helm
you start with vendetta
lone junco
fierce lantern
lilac spade
@lone junco our and about today, did I see you tested openers? V KB Garr?
drifting cosmos
i am wondering is it the same for shorter fights like 1min fight?
lilac spade
K koji sports stealth V>Gar>KB>rup?
viscid helm
its literally linked up there
tepid hornet
so vend/garrote/mut/rupt/tb/kb would be better than vend/garrote/kb/env/mut/rupt/tb?
then vanish after that
on both
ashen fossil
check the link, they're following that till they find a better one
lilac spade
@viscid helm thanks for the clarification. For a sec I thought it was figuratively linked above 😃 I’m driving so I couldn’t see the link
ashen fossil
why tf are you reading this and driving? Don't get yourself killed for a .1% dps increase 😂
gilded lark
if you're not on discord and driving, are you really driving
lilac spade
My car auto stops and lane assist rofl +1% dps inc
drifting cosmos
that dedication is real
ashen fiber
Which legendaries are BIS for ST?
viscid helm
sim
strange python
good bot\
dense yew
@ashen fiber shoulders+wrist for most fights. Boots + wrist if you have 2pc nicely titanforged T20 to wear with 4pc T21
strange python
how are you @viscid helm
viscid helm
back to raiding so...🤢
rose sparrow
what are our bis relics?
dense yew
The way I figure it, if people ask a general question like that, then they don’t Sim, which means they’re probably new to the spec or just a casual player. There’s no downside to giving them some indication of which would be generally the best pieces. They can try it out, get used to the rotation, then later on they can start optimizing it and simming. “Sim it” is a really unhelpful response. Sure it’s technically the most accurate answer, but maybe “Sim shoulders/wrists/boots and see which is highest” could save them some time?
viscid helm
you are literally giving them false information
dense yew
If they know about simming (I’d assume most people would by now), don’t you think they would have done it instead of asking? 😃
dense yew
Also it’s not false for 90% of rogues right?
I doubt simming every piece they have will indicate Insig+belt as BIS...
ebon scaffold
I ahve returned!
dense yew
Wb
zealous dew
😃
ebon scaffold
dont get kicked from lfr that much now
viscid helm
the trick with LFR is to do nothing
you are less likely to get kicked by beingAFK than pulling 500k DPS
lapis shale
I get bored af in LFR I dont know why
lapis shale
They took a fucking year to die
lapis shale
But they still a chance of a legendary so
And due to the fact that my rogue has only 3, I have to farm argus invasions + LFR + normal antorus
zealous dew
meh that sucks
lapis shale
Argus invasions are really easy, if the 3 are active they take like 15' to complete
I also do NH and EN sometimes
kindred pelican
How important is it to have 3 MA relics?
strange python
I was pretty shocked at the damage output I do on assassin compare to sub sin raids
I was doing 850-900 and sub was slightly above 500
Is that just a numbers thing on my gear
pure sparrow
More likely a button clicking thing. Sub rewards perfect play to get to max capacity. Sin is much much more forgiving.
strange python
Ah ic
pure sparrow
If you lag much during raids, good luck hitting max capacity sub gameplay. stuff requires flawlessness
strange python
Lul
No lag I think I don't use my energy correctly
master poisoner doenst effect leeching poison right?
viscid helm
it does
warm parcel
10%>12%
vapid moth
Lol what you get kicked from lfr?
I thought me being kicked from.heroic dungeons was the worst thing
lean hill
As difficulty decreases, likelihood of being kicked increases if you are competent
Inform people how to do mechanics after a wipe, scrubs probably going to turn on you and vote you out
vapid moth
There really are so many shit heads in this game
zealous dew
mechanics in LFR? madness
vapid moth
It's really funny actually cause those same people then wonder why they get removed from normal
Also how many of you use DBM?
manic vigil
:nauseated_face:
zealous dew
dbm 😄
vapid moth
So is that a yes or a no?
zealous dew
i use BW
vapid moth
Tf is that
calm grail
What do the pros use these days? I use DBM with the VEM voice updates. Bigwigs better?
zealous dew
bigwigs ?
calm grail
People always say that one is better than the other, but I'm not really sure why it is better.
vapid moth
Never really felt I had to use anything
calm grail
I think the only case of something really being better that I have found recently, was using details over skada.
dense quest
zealous dew
or listen to RL
vapid moth
Details is magical. I completely skipped over the skada phase
The thing is I don't need RL either. I'm able to keep up just with the regular raid warning flash
strange python
I got kicked in a heroic after I told the leader to wait for the person falling behind
People are strange
strange summit
shouldn't have showed compassion, it's a sign of weakness
lean hill
I've been on alts and tanked full LFR runs where my offtank doesn't use taunt, ever
You think I could get them booted for a new one? Not a chance
People would just bitch if I died
chilly marsh
anyone here already killed mythic coven ? think my dps is a little low and could have some tips 🙏🏻
vapid moth
How many times have you killed coven?
chilly marsh
not that i cna compet with SP and locks but...
lone junco
I would look at the replay tbh.
uncut ibex
best addons for assa (tracking down dots) and auras for assa ?
lone junco
that is bracer boot
vapid moth
Weak auras?
lone junco
Weak auras~~?~~
chilly marsh
hum will watch his replay for sure
uncut ibex
i mean auras for weakauras 😄
tender adder
I got a combo wombo deal on waigo for all specs I just adjusted the sizing
lone junco
track Garrote and Rupture with NS modifier.
track Env buff for clipping.
track EP if you play that.
Must have: WA alarm for no poisons.
vapid moth
Ep lol
lone junco
EP TB is not that far off.
tender adder
I track combo points as well and energy
lone junco
cp /e are part of the unit frame
crystal fox
yay got golg on 2nd week
vapid moth
we are on week 8
crystal fox
my 2nd week :p
vapid moth
9 actually
lone junco
i think mine is 980
vapid moth
Yeah. 980 if you've done it every week. Which has been 9 weeks
lone junco
I was kinda bummed to kill normy argus first week. went kinda quick
vapid moth
Meh. It was normal
I'm more upset they didnt really add anything to heroic. Only made the fight faster paced
Like compared to all the previous bosses heroic Argus is a huge letdown
lone junco
we are stuck on Coven H. about 15 pulls I guess. people getting gibbed by all kinds of things.
vapid moth
Same here
trim timber
honestly, compared to agg, argus not being tougher is ok
vapid moth
I don't even use DBM and I'm able to do it
bold dune
agg is easy too lol
vapid moth
Dunno why others struggle so mjch
trim timber
whose idea was it to need like five hard ccs
vapid moth
Aggramar only requires coordination
vapid moth
Lmao this will be our third week
lone junco
like. if you have the fire dont step onn people in the safe spot. watch out for the darts. Move with your team to the healing add. Please stop killing people with chain.
calm grail
Heroic Coven?
lone junco
yeah.
calm grail
That's surprising.
vapid moth
I get that guilds generally have a harder time. Cause once they get it they rarely fuck up again. But the fight isn't even hard if rng doesn't screw you over. You just gotta stay alive
vapid moth
That dps is unacceptable noobe
calm grail
Yeah, I guess I just thought with how I acted you were here in this Discord, and how you seem fairly knowledgeable, you would be in if more progressed Guild. Shed your pleb friends Noobe.
vapid moth
Why are your ranged players holding the lowest spots
calm grail
How you acted*
lone junco
im raid lead ish. its prob my fault.
we are bad at moving fights. always have been. like mannaroth ugh.
vapid moth
Everyone should play a rogue so they know what movement truly is
crystal fox
new essence lego tomorrow woop,cant wait to get sephuz or belt
lone junco
@calm grail my dps has nothing to do with theirs 😐
its the reason i play sin. I can just yell at specific people
26apm gives me enough down time to make about 1/2 of our calls.
merry root
if you have a dps hold shadow boss that makes the fight so much easier
vapid moth
Why do you have 100 percentage if I pull the same dps and get 90
vapid moth
I was 954
lean hill
It's fucked. If you get a 100 the first day you'll always show 100
Regardless of the fact it could be like a 50 nowc
lone junco
thats the detail view
quality grey there.
prob the time I vanish Env thinking I was still MPTB
vanish env. aww fuckkkk
vapid moth
Yeah wtf
lean hill
I have a sweet grey parse for mythic high command. Whole raid was dead on our first kill except a tank
lone junco
yeah i just went ahead and died at some point. was like ugggh.
and got rezzzed for bracer.
some sad fucking peaks there man.
wheat parrot
Noobe do you vanish envenom still?
wheat parrot
😄
lone junco
I bota fished that tail like 3 times.
lone junco
@manic vigil finished my work thing for a bit. so i started poking around.
royal flame
but the new TC findings............no affect?
lone junco
TC= no NS KB
manic vigil
@lone junco 😃
lone junco
our heroic Coven is driving me bonkers.
people just fall over
I got pissed and ran 5 heals /16
people still died.
me:"WHY ARE YOU DEAD"
getting gibbed to dumb shit.
manic vigil
👌
lean hill
Specific problem or dying to all the mechanics?
lone junco
not as bad as maiden where bad footwork kills the raid
but they get gibbed and we cant out heal it.
3 people gibbed to lightning. or the fire circle pop hitting for 2M right after they get a purple dart
lean hill
Or getting chunked by the sword
lone junco
or the purple dart knocks them into chain lighting
or the dart into sword
or boss cleave in the save space
lean hill
Lol such a fun fight to get used to
I'm glad we can cloak the lightning
Think dks can ams it
lone junco
I think the fights in Wod were worse tbh
that fucking ball throwing.
i dunno. nothign really takes us more than 20 pulls, so i guess this is bad.
but we are hitting the same spot every time.
Ill just watch some replays. this weekend.
strange python
Are your tanks doing the thing where they can both stay on a marker and not move
civic palm
l o l
strange python
just swap every now and again
inner socket
Hi. I play on thrall as well but nowhere close to being as good as a rogue as you. Or just about everyone else in here.
lone junco
hi
strange python
hey im on thrall too
civic palm
_>
crystal fox
how good is the procc on golg? or are we mainly just taking it for the agility?
lone junco
i think 3%
strange python
mainly agi
lean hill
Thrall life
lone junco
@civic palm speaking of [A] Stormrage. was that first mythic kill a trial for you?
civic palm
Nope.
lone junco
you spanked the rest of them iirc
lone junco
we are fluxxing at like 17-19 so would need a really good day to get everyone there. I think we have the dps for garothi tho
civic palm
Yeah we're basically in the same place.
crystal fox
i do shoulderworkout 7 days a week, 3 days at the gym, 4 days in raids
civic palm
Lose 2hrs having to wait for people to get online.
lone junco
oh that sucks
civic palm
Still have some very underwhelming people.
civic palm
Yep.
We got the point where, if we didn't have a lock and you missed first pull, don't expect to get in until break.
tacit wigeon
Thou hath pinged me?
inner socket
Im in a casual guild like yours noobe. We are on coven as well but only done like 2 attempts. We raid twice a week so dont have much time for progression. Im at the point now where im going to work on myself and just find a better guild in time.
tacit wigeon
Lol
lone junco
apparently there are a few thrall rogues
tacit wigeon
Ew
crystal fox
fuck
lone junco
yeah 2night 2.5hrs.
uncut ibex
JESUS
strange python
I kinda like it
tacit wigeon
Panda rogue. First mistake
warm parcel
heyhey
tacit wigeon
At least it's fem panda
warm parcel
👉 🚪 
calm grail
What time you raid Noobe? EST?
lone junco
730
warm parcel
👺
tacit wigeon
Don't hate weak
lone junco
Tue/Wed
warm parcel
Linking OL panda females should be banned 🤢
vapid moth
You can cloak lightning the first time but after that players can still hit you
tacit wigeon
Fem panda is great
You can could l cloak it and kill others
Took us 28 pulls to get the kill. I swear half of that was shitty rng
lean hill
I cloak lightning then run off to go be alone with one of the adds
tacit wigeon
^
inner socket
I just switched to assassination 2 weeks ago. Been playing sub but I do much better with this spec. I need 1 more good lego to get where i need to be
lone junco
@lean hill i started garrote rupture, run garrote rupture run, and make my way to the back of the room to unload the exang on the back one
@inner socket I like it better than sub now. T21 is pretty nice.
lean hill
I actually don't think I've done coven as sin yet
tacit wigeon
What's your guild issue Carolina?
lean hill
Exang bleeds out all targets?
lone junco
nah. just st.
tacit wigeon
I thought poison build was go to?
lone junco
but the EP I keep up buffs all 3x
tacit wigeon
Bc mastery
lone junco
im weird
inner socket
That's the main reason I switched. I came back to wow around sept. My chars were 80 from wrath so i had to level, get accustomed to playing again, etc. Missed out on tos for 2pc for sub.
Pugging it is laughable without aotc, so i just switched specs.
vapid moth
My raid lead constantly yells at me to be on the same ads as the group which makes no sense unless it's amanthul
lone junco
once I get the CC assignments down, and lightning positioning, we will prob be fine.
vapid moth
Also yells at me to stay away from fire ad. Me. Who raids 3x as much as other people in the guild
lone junco
we 1shot varith, after we got the tank positioning under control
tacit wigeon
Depends. You want open areas when storm hits
tacit wigeon
I swear I think our ppl panicked
lone junco
adds die too quick to have dps stacked.
vapid moth
I know. I don't see how one can order around the most experienced raider who also happens to do the most dps. Like let me do my thing
lone junco
no need ramp up 5 times.
vapid moth
No not the fire ad the fire boss. Noura
tacit wigeon
Strats yo
inner socket
@shadow our guild has many issues. Lack of dependable players, no recruitment, people only play wow on raid nights, the list goes on.
lone junco
ah. I dot them both. Maybe I shouldnt.
lone junco
@inner socket are you in my guild?
vapid moth
I throw pk at one if I'm able to otherwise I just focus one boss
inner socket
Right. My firsr raiding guild since wotlk. I didnt expect to join a mythic raiding guild
tacit wigeon
But if it's not for you then it might be time to move on
inner socket
No. Carolinawire is my name. Check my logs, see how bad i am. Wipe on normal at times
tacit wigeon
See if you go outlaw, best spec, then you don't have to do portals
lean hill
I do still 😦
lean hill
My mistake was interrupting enough to be counted on by raid leaders
wheat parrot
tacit wigeon
If you're short on melee ints then that makes sense
lean hill
We have good aoe, I don't need to be down there
crystal fox
when we do portal keeper everyone just forgets they have interrupts
tacit wigeon
I raid lead too xaethron
vapid moth
Do you guys ever look at the imps as sin? Other than the occasion FoK?
tacit wigeon
And we can be
wheat parrot
Poison Bomb as a talent 😄
balmy condor
So much yellow in this channel today
tacit wigeon
I yelled at ppl for not running gifts out.... it was me
lone junco
@vapid moth none taken. I stopped watching vids about 2 yrs ago. and just wing the shit
we make shit up on the fly.
firt pull on normy is "fuckit go"
vapid moth
I never watch vids. If I'm gonna learn something I'm gonna learn it my fucking way
inner socket
Im not too unhappy with my guild. Just looking to improve myself at the time. You guys are helping a lot and i appreciate it
vapid moth
Carolina come heroic raiding with me lol
lone junco
I grabbed a rogue from here. he does well now.
tacit wigeon
I'd like another rogue tbh
vapid moth
I have one other rogue In my guild
I stopped talking to him after he said SSF and t21 suck
lone junco
that mother fucker
lone junco
speaking of. is the outlaw free bones "meh" "neat" or "good"
vapid moth
I'd love to tell him someday to stfu and he doesn't know shit
lone junco
you dont do personal loot do you?
tight meteor
might seem like a stupid question but how do i see envenom uptime
lone junco
@tight meteor buffs.
tacit wigeon
😣
inner socket
I do wish i raided more. 2 nights isnt enough
tight meteor
ty
vapid moth
I raid 5 days a week lol
lone junco
vapid moth
I have no life
vapid moth
I have a DH in another guild to maintain so
lone junco
ew
vapid moth
I love my DH. Just wish I had good equipment
lone junco
I left my dh in the dust
inner socket
I used to do 4 in wotlk. Long time ago now
lone junco
I dont even remember our raid schedule in vanilla. but im sure it was a lot.
but im a 2day max now.
tacit wigeon
2 days a week is plenty if you dont fuck around
lone junco
we have still been clearing argus normy so it takes our first 40mins or so
vapid moth
I raid more than 2 days cause my guild uses loot council loot system. Meaning I get no loot.
tacit wigeon
Right? Damn trinket. We do doggos too for mount
vapid moth
Loot council my bad
inner socket
This was our first week skipping most of normal. Still doing what we have to do to get to argus. I pugged the rest of it and had new record times for kills
vapid moth
But yeah for real. If we only get 4 pieces of loot per boss and get it based on who rolls highest/needs it to complete tier/needs it as a big upgrade how could I ever improvr
crystal fox
m+
vapid moth
You must not have heard my M+ complaints
crystal fox
i have not
inner socket
We use epgp. Good system if you know what you need
lone junco
oh. you work hard for m+ so you dont get any raid loot
vapid moth
M+ will not upgrade 5 or so pieces of your gear either
I raid on my own before raid night to get my gear. Then I come help dps on Sunday and Monday
urban storm
doesnt M+ have nearly every combination of items?
i mean considering you only need off tier/off leggo slots
vapid moth
I still do em.but raids are more reliable
crystal fox
"what is this fucking tornado following me around!?" checks golg, oooh
urban storm
yeah, im only doing 1-2 per wekk
urban storm
but its hard to get upgrades > 960
lone junco
crystal fox
dkp, ewwww
lone junco
you get loot, you go to the bottom of the list. you are afk from raid, you bump down a spot.
nah.
no points
urban storm
my guild is epgp, which is pretty reasonable
lone junco
top guy gets loot. kicks to bottom.
lapis shale
Yes, a raid is better to get loot, but isnt a bad idea to make a couple of 15 you have a chance of a 985 in the weekly chest.
crystal fox
i remember my first raid ever back in vanilla once i hit 60, got brought along to a mc raid, all the crap that dropped they asked me if i wanted it, i was negative dkp the rest of my time in that guild lol
urban storm
yeah, i mean ive gotten max reward from weekly chest for months now
lapis shale
Imagine a 986 eye of command OMFG
urban storm
but most of hte time its just a shitty haste item
vapid moth
I never said I dont do M+. They are just extremely hard for me to get into
urban storm
your other guildies dont do them?
vapid moth
I que as 960 and whisper that I know the dungeon and still don't get let it
lone junco
@urban storm i got a ton of shit in a row, then a 960 Thumb ring.
vapid moth
We do occasionally. But they aren't big
lone junco
I got declined to a +2
vapid moth
Like we won't spend hours on them
urban storm
yeah i had a long string of bad luck, and then got two good 960 rings in a row
one was also a thumb ring
civic palm
Lots of other DPS in queue for M+'s /shrug
lapis shale
Try to find a group. My guild is really casual, we dont even do mythic raid anymore, but we still do 15's
urban storm
i just transferred my shaman to the server my rogue is on
civic palm
Prooobably switching guilds next xPac.
urban storm
because ive been wanting to play him more lately
lapis shale
Heroic raiding is also a good source of loot
lone junco
bummed that DH didnt get a ranged dps.
urban storm
i may level shaman second
lone junco
would be a nice blend
urban storm
wouldnt that kinda just be a warlock
although, having a long range Eye Beam (or something similar) would be fucking hilarious to look at
lapis shale
But I'm with you guys is extremely hard to find a group as rogue. My main is a lock and I never had problems
urban storm
go all illidan vs windchime every fight
lapis shale
Even when affliction was shit
vapid moth
I need to start mythic raiding. But I'm not sure I could commit to a hardcore mythic guild so I guess I gotta wait for my guild to get past beroic
civic palm
There are plenty of Mythic guilds that don't raid 5 days a week or 8 hours a day.
urban storm
is there a patch?
civic palm
"plenty"
lone junco
tbh. I want a full raid of leather.
urban storm
yeah by the time the more serious guilds get to this stage, their players end up playing a lot less
civic palm
Looks like a patch
lapis shale
Mythic raiding doesnt mean hardcore guild, my guild used to raid 3 days a week 3 hs and we got every cutting edge till ToS but we had to stop
civic palm
80MB
lone junco
prepatch for what?
urban storm
because they basically log on for a couple hours to clear mythic and then do a few M+
no, i logged out cuz im transferring my shaman right now
lone junco
maybe they broke the PB chance.
urban storm
and i reopened the launcher and it was patching
lone junco
cause ive never had so many <1% fights.
lapis shale
Other thing that helps is finding a good server
lone junco
had a 0.3% varith last night.
civic palm
= \
civic palm
Play a DH, you get to do this;
vapid moth
Not in dalaran. Though I guess I'll eventually change servers
civic palm
So fucking good, hahaa
lone junco
1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2
orchid prawn
rofl
civic palm
aka Our DHs during KJ.
lone junco
Monk/Druid/DH Druid/Monk Rog/Dh/Feral/Monk Moonkin
civic palm
ITEM 192837123 HAS DROPPED FOR PLAYER 129, IT IS AN ITEM LEVEL UPGRADE FOR THIS NEEDY FUCKER
lapis shale
The other day I pugged normal but half the pug was a guild so I got no loot via "Hey you need that?" FeelsSadMan
civic palm
Feral is dope most of the time.
lone junco
my druid is lvl 5
weary gate
feels rly energy starved
lone junco
moonfire for 3. on pigs with 144 hps
civic palm
But once you Roar and Rip coming down together you're like O _O I need more NRG.
lone junco
"balance"
weary gate
outside of incarn/tiger fury
ye but feral feels like playing assa without poisons
same pace
civic palm
Yeah it's rather... dull, more dull than SIN somehow.
weary gate
and with incarn you are energy capped all the time
civic palm
Yeah feels fucking awful.
weary gate
feels bad man
civic palm
Though your Bites are hype as fuck.
calm grail
Brutal slash is pretty cool.
lapis shale
Used to love feral, those were good times. I got tired of it anyways 2 expansions and not a single change more than the artifact
weary gate
agree with brutal slash
graceful rivet
is the eye of command really best in slot even if its low item level?
doesnt sim very high but not sure if its assuming i am targeting a single enemy
urban storm
you set the # of enemies in the sim
graceful rivet
oh
hmm sims lower still. that item level is tough to beat my 955 SSF with that socket
serene hinge
Idk sin is more fun than I thought it would be
I think purely because of poison bombs
Could be cuz I'm new but proccing pb is hype lol
keen hound
Nope, it's not because you are new. That's how it is for everyone 😂
somber oar
you will learn to hate it soon enough
keen hound
PB procs either make or break a good parse lol
somber oar
psn bomb is different between a 99 and 100
lapis shale
The worst part of being a rogue is that you are one more melee, and you cant go healer or tank to make dungeon queues painless
keen hound
Aoe w/o pb procs is also so sad 😛
somber oar
can still 99 parse with like less than average psn bombs
yeah wait till ur in m+ and a tank pulls like 3 packs
no proc
pull single add
procs 3 times
desert vault
without any addons is there a way to see how many mythic kills in Antrous my character has?
lapis shale
That happens every time, the tank pulls like crazy and no proc, then he pulls a single mob and wow, 72 procs, funny :!
desert vault
just warcraft logs?
keen hound
Never fails for PB to proc when you have 1 add left w/ 5% hp 😂
keen hound
Yeaaah movement really messes up the PB lol
inner socket
Is it not under statistics in your achievements tab
keen hound
Or when the tank just wiggles a little and mob is standing right on the edge of pb
You just stand there like -_-
lapis shale
Happens all the time in Hasabel (the girl of the portals)
weary gate
but hey pb will be a talent next xpac
.. with 4% chance
instead of 2,5%
per combo point
civic palm
@desert vault Your character page on the wow website will have a list of boss kills as well.
civic palm
weary gate
sometimes i just wish it was an ability to press
but at the same time it is hype gambling
keen hound
Obviously it's all still a long ways out and subject to change, but I will be curious as to how they measure up in that tier.
lapis shale
When you proc 3 in a row and you are top dps in Coven 
keen hound
Then three we just lose our minds lol]
civic palm
Each repeated proc of PBomb brings you closer to Meter Valhalla.
weary gate
feels rly good to play sin in ST
lapis shale
So you use sub for m+?
weary gate
yea, but high fortified keys i sometimes go sin
when bleeds have time to tick it's great¨
and i can pull same dps as aoe classes
keen hound
I was so irritated the other day... We had some trolls in our raid on heroic worldbreaker somehow and they were messing with the radi bad distracting everyone and we wiped.... I was pulling 2m the entire fight (my best is 1.85ish). Then the next pull i did 1.7 -_-
lapis shale
And you feel all that nrg coming to you FeelsAmazingMan
keen hound
I looked at logs and my concordance uptime for the wipe pull was like 47%
weary gate
😄
keen hound
For the next pull and kill 20%
civic palm
Oh hey look, this broken parse is still up > _>
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/z6V4x17BKZrRJQ9F#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=6
Don't tell anyone :3
lapis shale
@Ady that remembers me of Quin69
keen hound
oh?
vapid moth
I pulled 2mill on garothi once. Sadly it wasn't logged
crystal fox
does sub or outlaw use haste? cause guess who went heroic today and got fed haste gear 😦
lapis shale
He is a streamer, and when he is doing good damage on a raid fight (when he is doing viewer runs) there is always a sub that wipes the whole raid
keen hound
outlaw uses haste i beleive
crystal fox
i'll save that for later then..
keen hound
@lapis shale 😂 Ours was some just straight up trolls. They were new recruits to the guild and they were promptly removed from the guild after that wipe.
lapis shale
You get a bit mad but well then you laugh
keen hound
Tonight is our next raid night, so we will see how things go tonight
Oh by the way, I remember seeing a post / update about opener. The pin.
lapis shale
My guild is stucked af, we dont have time for mythic raiding (we miss a few people) but we are 11/11 H
keen hound
So is the Vendetta > KB > garrote > mut >vanish> TB> mut > env no longer the correct opener?
Yeh, we just got 11/11 heroic last week as a guild (i've been 11/11 h for a while w/ pugs and other groups but guild is just a nice casual group) and idk that we will ever move into mythics
We just raid 2 nights a week and we are also short a few core players to move into mythic
lapis shale
I dont care about mythic raiding anymore, ToS almost disbanded my guild
keen hound
I was actually on a break from the game during ToS but i've heard plenty of stories
I wouldn't mind stepping into mythic antorus. But i'm not going to leave my guild to find a group that does it.
lapis shale
NH was even worse I think
vapid moth
Trilliax
heavy plover
Hey guys is there a pin to enchants anywhere?
vapid moth
Honestly I don't get how anyone can die to lasers after trilliax
heavy plover
Thanks bud
lapis shale
I wonder the same each time I go into Kin'garoth in LFR
cold thunder
Hey guys we have a rogue that said coin of many faces is spawning varimarthas adds is this true or some proper bullshit that gave me a chuckle
Can confirm GM said he would eat a shoe if it was true
keen hound
Man, I learned my lesson about lazers back in Ruby Sanctum lol
vapid moth
Corronica I'm not understanding what you're claiming
cold thunder
I'm not claiming anything
One of our rogues said coin of many faces is spawning vari adds on mythic and I came to ask if it was a joke or the guy was legit
vapid moth
Well I'm no help. Haven't done mythic
spare cloud
Does the opener change for nightstalker?
vapid moth
What do you mean?
Of course it fucking changes
You use vendetta first. Stealth opener should be Mutilate
plain thistle
garrote*
eternal moss
Is the opener on the ravenholdt guide for assassin not accurate?
spare cloud
thats what i was thinking
vapid moth
Have fun getting an answer
vocal lantern
Hello Rogues! What stats should I prioritize if I have no set parts as Assassination?
vapid moth
What's your first guess
vocal lantern
Nevermind I found it in the pins 😛 hopefully.
vapid moth
Wrong answer, if you're at the point where you don't even have set pieces them stat optimization doesn't mattef
barren bone
What's up your ass @vapid moth ?
plain thistle
🤦
eager lagoon
Seriously lol
vapid moth
I'm at a party with my family that I loathe
eternal moss
So take it out on people new to the class trying to get better?
spare cloud
Apparently
vocal lantern
😦
vapid moth
Nah. Toph just really annoyed me with his question
fallow estuary
Don't give attention to the kid and wait for moderators to handle him 🙄
barren bone
People come to this discord to ask questions, if you get annoyed by questions leave the fuckin discord
vapid moth
Lol shit. Guess I should've just stuck with "go check the pins"
vapid moth
There is a whole guide toph
eternal moss
I'm sorry if I'm being annoying but I'm still confused as the current proper opener if the pin link to ravenholdt is incorrect
vocal lantern
Mastery>= Crit>Agility>Versatility>> Haste according to the pins if you run with poison build like I do but Icy Veins guide says differently hm.
plain thistle
@eternal moss the opener in the guide is correct
eternal moss
Ty
eager lagoon
Mastery is the right answer
plain thistle
the opener that he sugested is just .... all wrong
spare cloud
Yeah and i assume it doesnt change with nightstalker?
vapid moth
Icy veins is where you start. You come here for the up to date answers
vocal lantern
Yup
plain thistle
it does change with nighstalker
wild ledge
Stop being such an awkward asshole. Other people are answering his questions
spare cloud
Being an asshole, and suggesting wrong things
just gonna block, i guess mods gonna do the rest
vapid moth
But yeah if you don't have 4set you should focus on getting that first. Rather then getting 900 loot that might be optimized but is still 900 loof
plain thistle
anyway, for T21 you want every part without haste, that will be : chest-legs-helmet-cloak, but like he said, its better to get the bonus for now
and later you optimize that
vocal lantern
Fair enough.
keen hound
get 4pc. You don't want haste. Crit / Mastery are your go to stats.
vocal lantern
Cheers for the info guys 👍
plain thistle
np
spare cloud
how does it change with nightstalker?
plain thistle
@spare cloud with or without legendary shoulder?
spare cloud
with
wild ledge
the opener on guide is using nightstalker
spare cloud
I just assumed that the opener with shoulders is always the same because otherwise there would be clarification in the guide on that
but i just asked to make sure
plain thistle
yeah, always the same
lapis shale
Minor variations won't make a big difference on the dps anyways
spare cloud
well ofc, the garrote is left it with nightstalker
like it says
I just thought maybe there was some kinda of rupture refresh with nightstalker
or smth like that
but thanks for the answers
plain thistle
nah
with shoulder + NS you vanish > envenom
for 30%- with bracer you can do vanish > rupture
to get a empowered rupture inside bracer execute
lapis shale
Yes with Nightstalker you want to refresh rupture, with Subterfuge you may want to refresh garrote (without shoulders of course)
wild ledge
wrong
spare cloud
well the guide says that afterwards when vanish is up you refresh rupture with it always with NS
plain thistle
even with shoulder + subter you refresh garrote, but with shoulder you usually play with NS
spare cloud
My question was specifically about the opener
wild ledge
• Use Vanish to apply rupture as often as possible if specced Nightstalker.
• Do not override Nightstalker empowered Rupture in this case, let it tick until it falls off.
• If you have Mantle of the Master assassin then you would cast Envenom instead of rupture.
wild ledge
So after opener, you empower envenom with nS
vapid moth
Yawn
wild ledge
if you got shoulder
spare cloud
So the 50% buff on evenom just flat out overpowers the rupture
when its 100% crit
thats simple
vapid moth
It's not 100% for the full rupture duration
Oh read that wrong
But ya
Open with Mutilate
wild ledge
http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ ->Opener Tab
lapis shale
Good to know thanks for the info @Will
spare cloud
2pc+4pc and bracers/boots will mean bleed specc only right?
plain thistle
no
keen hound
You only want to hold on to 2pc if it is really high ilv
plain thistle
I play with that setup for poison build
spare cloud
I was just wondering because of the sims on herodmg
keen hound
I suppose the right answer is "sim it"
eternal moss
Just Sim both of the talent builds and see what is better
wild ledge
If you got shoulders I wouldnt worry about 4+2. Go posion 4s + shoulders/bracers/boots
plain thistle
you need a decent ilvl T20 to be worth, but im 970 with that setup and it sim better than my 974 shoulder+bracer setup
eternal moss
There is only 1 or 2 bleed spec parses in all the top 100 logs if that means anything to you
plain thistle
there isnt a clear answer for that, you need to sim yourself
spare cloud
Just noticed there is no 2pc+4pc sim on the first page of the herodmg sims
for the poison section
hence my question
dense yew
You won’t have menu entries in the top parses if everyone is told poison is better
lapis shale
Due to the fact agility is a good stat for rogue you need a high mythic titanforge from ToS
eternal moss
Doesn't poison build scale much better with ilvl because of mastery?
lapis shale
And you have to replace shoulders too :/
valid plank
but the low garrotte cd feels so good
spare cloud
that awkward moment when you sim the highest with ravenholdt+boots and 2pc + 4pc
because you dont have the bracers yet
well time to learn the new priorities i guess
eternal moss
My bracers have been collecting dust, using shoulders and boots atm
I think it's because my current bracers are 975 socket mastery heavy
onyx rock
Same
spare cloud
got a 50/50 chance in 150 essense to get the bracers
helmet is the other leg i can get
unlucky rolls as assa
supple hearth
@vapid moth ily. Be nice.
@vocal lantern @spare cloud did you two get answers to your questions? Sorry I wasn't here earlier
spare cloud
Yeh
supple hearth
Ok cool ^^
spare cloud
got everything and simmed my stuff then got to reroll to exsan because of 20k dps
:<
vocal lantern
Yes thanks for asking=)
supple hearth
👍
vocal lantern
Haven't played Rogue for 7 years and I'm having a blast!
spare cloud
how does exsan fare on multitarget compared to poison though?
like lets say high command
rotund pier
i sim highest with boots/insig its all about your offpieces imo
spare cloud
yeah i have a 950 chest from mythic tos which is why it sims higher for now i guess
rotund pier
id ideally(and want) to play shoulder/bracer but it sims 7th out of 10 combinations for me
spare cloud
just came back to rogue recently, never really played assa before 😄
vocal lantern
Hard to get a raid group going when you're ilvl 882 and people demand upto 960 minimum for a normal Antorus clear. So I guess it's off to grind Veiled Argunite and get gear that way, which would atleast put me at 910 hm, but still not enough to PuG :S
spare cloud
well with 882 you should go for raids like nighthold
spare cloud
but its true that the requirements for normal and hc are kinda weird and unrealistic when you just came back or got the char up
but you will get there
gearing is way faster atm than it was earlier
vocal lantern
Aye "no pain no gain" 😃
spare cloud
i have the same problem with my mage
lone junco
@vocal lantern use your coin in the greater rifts.
spare cloud
Idk how to gear except for relinquished stuff because i dont really have the patience after clearing on 3 chars
lul
vocal lantern
@lone junco good idéa!