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#tc-research
atomic scarab
tight charm
yeah, if you want more help than that, need logs
atomic scarab
I'll try to get some
rich temple
@atomic scarab got an armory page or logs? i'm about the same ilvl as you and can pull significantly more
mind you draught is a big contributor, with mantle it's disgusting for sin
mint dew
!help
sour sorrel
is it normal for simcraft to scale haste as best second stat as sub
heady elm
are you using frond?
sour sorrel
no
maiden cargo
Can I tell simc to import an inactive spec?
mortal stream
I just managed to pick up a DoS but im unsure how to sim the active ability. Any help with what line to put where to allow the sim to use the active?
maiden cargo
@mortal stream actions+=/use_item,name=<name here>,if=<something>
< and > shouldn't be included.
mental dagger
so just for fun i wanted to check out the sub APL
and i'm kind of a noobster when it comes to this
but i was checking out this part in particular
on line E
it says to finish at >=5 cp
but that's pretty bad if the user is taking anticipation
maybe that should be taken into consideration?
because you can potentially be doing 10% more eviscerate damage overall (an extra 20% on every other evis)
maiden cargo
@mental dagger Unless I'm mistaken, the DPS should be the same over the course of the fight. You can double eviscerate to do more burst damage though.
So in other words, it doesn't matter.
It's undoubtedly easier to simulate with >= 5 cp.
mental dagger
the thing is
eviscerate has a bug
finality:eviscerate applies bvasded on the current cp you have rather than the cp you spent on the move
so normally you eviscerated with 5 or 6 with deeper strategem and it gave you 20 or 24% bonus damage respectively on your next evis
but now you can do it with 10 combo points
and it gives you 40% bonus damage on your next eviscerate
so you could potentially have your rotation always try to eviscerate at higher cp (i usually do it around 8 depending on where i am in my rotation)
and it'll result in a noticeable dps increase
instead of doing eviscerates at 100 -> 120 ->100 -> 120 damage
you could be doing it at 100 -> 140 -> 100 ->140
for up to 10% damage increase overall on your eviscerates
It definitely makes a difference, I can consistently beat my sim dps by a significant margin, even on similarly timed fights
split sorrel
unless you loose cp
which is something that happen quite frequently if you aim for 10cp
split sorrel
so 40% f:evi isn't viable.
mental dagger
but for example i'll shadow dance at 4cp
SS SS evis SS SS
i'll probably be eviscerating somewhere around 8 or 10 cp depending on weaponmaster/shadow technique procs
and then i ss back up to like 8 or 9 again
yes the potential to lose a cp or 2 is there but getting ~8-10% bonus damage from your main finisher over the course of the fight seems to warrant the potential loss of a combo point
I wouldn't say it's an issue with the sim if i weren't able to consistently beat out my sim dps by like 30k
especially since i almost never play sober
it's an especially prevalent bug if you're using the bracers, since you're generating so much cp, you can just keep yourself between 5-10 for most of the time while you're throwing out your eviscerates
maiden cargo
Didn't know about that bug
mental dagger
yeah, it only affects eviscerate and not nightblade, but it's still really significant if you're taking anticipation
maiden cargo
Does simc take the bug into consideration?
mental dagger
aethys, is it possible to choose when to finisher at different times based on whether or not the person is taking anticipation
i don't really know much about sims
mental dagger
i think a simple solution would be to adjust this
on the y line
it just says to finish if cp >= 5
but i think it should be changed to say only finish at >=5 if the player already has the finality buff (so current cp doesn't matter for this evis as long as it's enough to do a full evis)
but it should throw an exception for if the thing needs to refresh nightblade probably
plush shard
does draught of souls sims right ? I changed 875 urn with 880 draught and lost about 16k sim dps
mental dagger
i use nightblade refreshing to restore energy when i need it, as well as a way to offset when i'm sending my next eviscerate so i can choose when i evis at high or low cp
but i feel like that's really hard to put in the sim
mortal stream
@plush shard I just did the same thing and gained 8k, did you put the code for simcraft to use the active ability?
plush shard
puh no^^
sour sorrel
i simed my sub rogue for stat weighs and got as highest second stat haste in stjerns guide its the worst stat at all
mental dagger
markz
plush shard
in my opinion is draught stronger then the urn
mental dagger
what's your haste at, do you have the boots, or do you have the arcway necklace
plush shard
just wanted to know how high iam simming now
mental dagger
because you need at least one of those items
otherwise you aren't getting enough energy in your shadow dance to do 4 shadow strikes
you need roughly ~10% haste depending on your internet connection
but you don't need any depending on whether you have the +5 energy neck or the boots
sour sorrel
i dont have the boots or necklace and one moment about the haste
mental dagger
well, unless you have an absurdly strong necklace or a legendary or something, i'd highly recommend you go do mythic arcway a million times until you get a decent necklace
the +5 energy is seriously so strong on sub
sour sorrel
k i only got 5% haste
mental dagger
yeah that's a problem, are you usually able to get all 4 shadow strikes out in a sdance, even without energetic stabbing procs?
mental dagger
np
plush shard
Hi, when is it the best time to use draught of souls as a sin rogue ?
mental dagger
simulation channel :^)
wet glade
@mental dagger the apl doesn't finish at >=5cp as a highest priority. The line before that (for shadow strike) will SS at upto 8cp depending on talents and shadow blades
mental dagger
oh shit i didn't notice that
valid scroll
Hey, anyone know if Nightblooming frond still sims too high?
sly yoke
that should be the description of this channel
round canyon
@valid scroll it sims perfectly fine
split sorrel
Sprint + DoS
Sprint properly implemented
Now I have to add the extended stealth thingy and we'll be able to see the things like in game 😃 😃
I bet Blizzard will fix this bug Monday as always to troll me, but I publied infos about it weeks ago so I assume it'll live until 7.2 at least.
pseudo herald
anyone able to tell me the relic ID for this? The only bonus showing is 3444.
www.wowhead.com/item=140818/foreign-contaminant&bonus=3444
boreal patrol
140818 as in the link
vapid ridge
@split sorrel is sprint only for sub? not sure why sprint is in APL unless i'm missing something huge
heavy moon
@vapid ridge Probably Flickering Shadows
split sorrel
"master_of_subtlety"
I don't think it's Assassination 😉
I implemented Sprint + DoS trick properly
vapid ridge
oic it is not for sin, just checked on talents, how does sprint effect it though
split sorrel
Flickering Shadows
maiden cargo
sprint activates flick shadow - gives vanish if u dont attackl or get hit in 3 sec
split sorrel
yes
When you Sprint, it triggers a buff "Faster than Light Trigger" that has a 3s duration
vapid ridge
gotcha, in case you couldn't tell i haven't touched sub 😛
split sorrel
if you attack or get attacked, it cancels this buff
if this buff ends, you get a free vanish
the buff is hidden, you can't see it ingame, but that's the mechanic behind
vapid ridge
i'm guessing Faster than light in an artifact trait?
oh it's hidden? like not normal ability or artifact trait or anything like that?
split sorrel
it's the spell that sprint activates when you cast sprint and you have Flickering Shadows artifact traits
maiden cargo
flickering shadows yes as 1 point
vapid ridge
gotcha. that's pretty sweet
split sorrel
the spells exists, it's probably just something server side (not displayed for the client)
hence why it's "hidden"
vapid ridge
i'll probably start placing points in sub once i hit 54 traits on sin, @52 now
maiden cargo
u can use cloak and evasion to help it go through too 😃
pretty good with shoulders and sprint on 1 min CD
vapid ridge
yeah that is really nice
how can i find out what nightly i am using
i want to ask some questions about sims, but i know the 1st question is going to be about nightly
i'm using the build from a couple weeks ago, but not sure which one
maiden cargo
@vapid ridge simc --version I'd imagine
vapid ridge
where do you see that
vapid ridge
darn 😦 i ran like 6 sims for scaling etc and was going to ask some questions about results but i think i should probably get the new one anyway
glossy bobcat
Just simmed myself despite only being 849 ilvl and this is what I got. Does this seem accurate? (Only just started playing rogue on friday) https://gyazo.com/1dbb733787dab5b6b16c8e762e90b92d
split sorrel
The screenshot means nothing tbh.
At least, give the full profile. You can save it by clicking on "save". Then you can drag & drop here
(Save is on the bottom right)
glossy bobcat
split sorrel
Considering your talents and your gear, nothing surprises me.
glossy bobcat
I just wanted to see where I'm at, still to get my 3rd relic slot and obviously still gearing.
tough stag
how do I change the food and potion type in my simulations?
don't want to use old war and crit food
split sorrel
in precombat
tough stag
i've read that but can't seem to understand where to post the strings
willow pecan
@tough stag if you import your charecter, it will be imported with the appropritate strings included for easy modifications
crystal belfry
@split sorrel The latest Sim build looks like it has a better sim results with Shoulder/DOS/SF, but still the peak opner is 1.5M.
split sorrel
Assa ?
Yes I know, finishing to implement bugs then I'll look again at APLs
Altough, Assa doesn't have many bugs
crystal belfry
@split sorrel I can add specific opner, but am not aware of how to repeat it depening on fight duration and cool downs.
So it will be like siming 1 min fight which in completly not acurate.
river kestrel
does the APL for sin change if you got the leggo wrists (ie chaning poison under 30% when you run AP)?
split sorrel
No
river kestrel
so you just keep AP up under 30%?
river kestrel
ok thanks
desert summit
how can i share simcraft results? i simmed every possible talent combination with 10000 iterations on my character in 1 sim
split sorrel
save the report
willow pecan
The APL doesn't hold vanish to use under 30% if the remaining time won't allow to use vanish once more?
(with nightstalker)
split sorrel
I don't think so
willow pecan
i never wrote any apl line, but i'll try to write something to do that... i'm bored at work anyway
willow pecan
@split sorrel i need help :X
i'm trying to do this (the bottom part is what i've add):
&((equipped.zoldyck_family_training_shackles & time_to_30pct>120)^!equipped.zoldyck_family_training_shackles)```the idea is: use vanish if you've got wrist and vanish will be ready again for 30%. XOR you don't have them
but i got an error:
Option parsing error:
Unexpected parameter '&'. Expected format: name=value
tribal scroll
have you tried removing the &
willow pecan
but it's a seperate if
i want everything up to that point to be true, but also the extra part i've add
split sorrel
remove the spaces
willow pecan
i didn't write it with spaces, i've add it here for readability
ah shit
i did have spaces, you're right
doesn't work though
split sorrel
what's new error ?
willow pecan
sorry, i meant it doesn't work as expected. it only used vanish once
at the start
maybe i need to add a check to also use it if target is below 30%
ok i got it working
split sorrel
😃
willow pecan
but the thing is... there is no dps increase. sometime even a decrease.
this is the line
but the last vanish is delayed, so it does work.
i'm not sure why it's not a dps increase, since wrists should increase SoT, no?
tribal scroll
what fight time did you set
tribal scroll
my conjecture is that potentially, at certain fight times, holding vanish will result in a reduction in total number of times its cast
willow pecan
that's not possible with what i wrote
tribal scroll
so you're only getting 1 non-zoldycks nightstalker and 1 zoldycks nightstalker
instead of 2 non-zoldycks and 1 zoldyck
willow pecan
i've add this check : time_to_30pct>120
this means, use it above 30% as long as it will be available again (2 minutes)
split sorrel
check the number of vanish cast
willow pecan
the problem is, that i think it already uses the last vanish, when the target is below 30%
but there's no way to tell it's starting just slightly before the 30%
willow pecan
fixed time? what's that and where do i use it
(and the vanish cast amount is equal. i can see that only the last vanish is delayed in my code)
split sorrel
somewhere in ur profile
just put fixed_time=1
on a new line
see wiki for more infos
then if it's delayed outside of a vendetta or idk
didn't checked the conditions
it's probably why
willow pecan
that is also what i'm assuming
i'l check
i mean, i can also add that the last vanish should wait for vendetta, since there will be no other opportunity to cast vanish
that should be a good thing in all cases, not just zoldyc
mossy hearth
depends if u lose a vendetta* cast or not
willow pecan
it shouldn't be possible to lose a cast with that
i mean, i'll check if vendetta is going to be ready under 30% and the fight will also last at least 36 more seconds
mossy hearth
i have some opener subterfuge apl from Synep, but its far from complete
the problem with that, is that it casts vanish on cooldown without the regard of Kingsbane or DoS after the opener
willow pecan
why should vanish regard KB?
merry cloud
To cover last ticks I assume
willow pecan
sorry i'm not following you 😶
merry cloud
Use vanish to have last ticks of Kingsbane to be 100% crit
Since they are the most powerful
willow pecan
ah, he didn't mention he meant with shoulders
@split sorrel I tested it now with 240s fixed time sim, and it was a 2k dps increase
merry cloud
I just assumed so
willow pecan
not sure if adding this to the apl is important enough, what do you think?
willow pecan
Can i run 2 sims simultaneously with different apl for each?
merry cloud
Copy whole thing, rename and edit
willow pecan
in the same page you mean?
swift trellis
which trinkets would be the best then to wear and combo as a sin rogue? (I do not have the legendary shoulders). 895 DoS / 890 Frond / 885 agi n vers / 890 Foci.
night stream
Hey guys, so my current three ledgendaries are:
Neck, Back and Legs.
Best combo, can anybody help?
On ST - Back and Legs seem to be out performing Back and Neck by 2k.
Anyway I can get a more accurate view on what to use?
merry cloud
@willow pecan same page yes
deft maple
@swift trellis I'd go frond and dos
maiden cargo
Does the Patchwerk fight in the options mean 100% focus on the boss, or does it include adds?
split sorrel
maiden cargo
Oh, nevermind, I'm stupid. I had set 4 enemies in the options as well. 😛
wild thicket
guys can i get some trinket advise plx
using 880urn+875 COE, still have 895golem didgit, 885 DOS, 875 blooming fond
split dirge
Sim it sure
heady elm
does simcraft work properly with zoldycks?
merry cloud
Yes. What is the problem?
heady elm
i was just wondering because they sim so low compared to ravenholdt insignia
willow pecan
i was trying so hard to optimize vanish for zoldyck yesterday 😢
static burrow
does someone have a zoldyck combat potion part? i heard you should pop prolonged power on 30% with cds for zoldyck but simulationcraft doesnt have this as far as i can tell
cold shore
So when you are doing a NSed Rupture, you want to also try and vanish clipping Kingsbane?
compact prism
Just wanted to check before I did it, does anyone have assas sims for Mantle/Boots/Bracers alternates with (Nightstalker OR Subterfuge) sim results?
with DOS
noble osprey
Did they do anything to nightblooming? it seems to do more damage today.
undone geyser
Rng
undone geyser
That's like asking if they buffed poison bomb when I see it 2nd on dmg when rng proc for me on st
maiden cargo
best race for sin rogue as ally go
heavy moon
Should be dwarf unless something has changed recently @maiden cargo
maiden cargo
@heavy moon Yeah, I wasn't sure i just know that we dropped a lot of crit so I'm not sure if dwarf still makes much of a diff with like 15% less crit
crystal belfry
Did the shoulder sims correctly with sin rogues yet? I have 26-2-2017 build?
toxic flower
crystal belfry
26-2 build has a around 1.5M opner as peak wich is away lower than my opner.
crystal belfry
ya
round canyon
the default apl is poorly optimised for shoulders for outlaw aswell
crystal belfry
It's really disapointing to see rouges from top 50 (sin spec) with shoulders still doesn't know the best opner with shoulders yet, and make some random opners.
strong gorge
Because parsing is like 15% playing your rotation well and 85% everything else (uptime, killtime, procs, adds, gear etc)
crystal belfry
I am aware of that, but what am trying to say, they are not doing the best opner from my point of view, and it's kinda feel bad.
You forgot about latency and fps :D, but I think they don't have such problems.
strong gorge
Should be included in uptime
As in, effective time you're applying your rotation to the target
crystal belfry
mmm but uptime wont show 3x mut, or missing 2 sec from crit opner.
crystal belfry
cool
haughty escarp
what's the best sin shoulder opener accodring to you? the one pinned in general?
ionic eagle
yes
haughty escarp
im using a slightly altered version of it because i feel like i loose a lot of energy by vendettaing so soon
Garrote at 0 is missing (seems i ninjapulled or sth)
split sorrel
U're playing NS ?
haughty escarp
subterfuge
split sorrel
ok fine then
I saw a different opener with NS (wondering why he NS tho)
I'll work on Assa APL today
Since now it is in my addon, I want to improve it 😃
haughty escarp
sometimes i get another free global by using vanish envenom "in the same gcd", and the gap between kb and mut gets thinned out by regen through early AP proc on the first gcds (or bloodlust)
with that opener i get a last 4cp crit envenom right after DoS ends
the only thing that i dislike a bit is that SoT falls off for the last few ticks of the trinket
but i think that having an extra 4cp crit is worth it
but I still get 2m openers with the right procs
thoughts on this vs the one pinned in general?
ionic eagle
you should vanish when KB has 9sec remaining to maximise its damage with mantle
torn dome
But in that opener you miss kb with mantl and override garrote outsidr pandemic
ionic eagle
amd you miss out on more kb damage because it's not in the vendetta window
torn dome
And th energy you gain for vanish goes to waste as you dos duing mantle
haughty escarp
i dont cap energy this way using dos
and i think I miss 1 kb tick during mantle, so that is true
also true about kb outside of vendetta
will test kb damage on the dummy later on
crystal belfry
@split sorrel can you add my opner? best opner with shoulder, I don't care about credits :p
crystal belfry
Mut, Garrot, Rup, Mut, KB, Vend (Gnawed Thumb Ring if used), env, Mut, (Mut if BL up, FOK otherwise)- w8 1 sec for GC, Vanish, DOS, Env, Mut, Env,Mut, Env, Mut, (w8 1 sec so you dont over ride garrot from STF) if blood lust use Env and renew garrot after 2 sec delay.
split sorrel
Do we agree that this is all the "different" openers? :
NS - NS DoS - Subterfuge - Subterfuge Mantle - Subterfuge DoS - Subterfuge Mantle DoS
There is also NS Mantle, but I'm not sure I should consider it (and NS Mantle DoS by extend)
crystal belfry
This is the best, sadly I never seen someone from top 50 using it. You have full max dmg of KB 100% crit the last 9 sec. better chance for BP.
shut bear
You drop sot during draught
crystal belfry
No
5 sec
DOS must be used after Env because it applies AP sometimes 6 stacks or more within 3 sec, which will maximize the dmg of KB
shut bear
Then you missed something because there's 3 seconds after an envenom before draught at least
haughty escarp
can you screenshot the sequence using a log?
haughty escarp
i might have a few things to point out
crystal belfry
I have logs for it, but am playing on 500 ms
Just try it and tell me the result plz, but other opners with renew Garrot and not get advantage of Subterfuge and DOS vanish, I see that pretty bad opners
Renew garrot if you are playing Chromatic only may be.
but wasting 45 energy while 100% crit active to renew garrot with 125% dmg, instead of casting env is pretty retarted imo
Env has chance to proc PB, and Env already does x2 garrot dmg, even if 125% dmg increased.
torn dome
And in this one you are using ring too early. Kb is missing ven, ring is missing last kb ticks
Ven env outside mantle too
Casting fok is waste of global
Also you cannot randomly comoare garrote to env
One takes combos other doesnt
crystal belfry
NO!?
Ring has 12 sec, and you use while casting Env which is after the second Global CD.
ionic eagle
a log would bring clarity over this whole discussion
torn dome
You cast kb at 5 ring at 6
crystal belfry
@torn dome Vend and Env inside mantle!!
torn dome
Nope
crystal belfry
You know the 3rd Mut after the Vendetta? it is inside the Buff
The only abilty outside is the second Mut or FOK
crystal belfry
I can inv you in a group and show you, if you are online now.
ionic eagle
not for comparable dmg no, but it'll clearly show which casts fall in which windows
crystal belfry
Without a single buff or pot will do 2M sustain untill KB down I will drop from 2M dps
ionic eagle
which is the whole discussion atm
torn dome
Rather show the opener on a log and translate it into apl as aethys saif
crystal belfry
What is your character name in game please?
torn dome
How would that have anything to do with this
This is not epeen race. Rather refining assa apl
crystal belfry
Yes I know I would just inv you and log it, or give me sometime till I find the logs for it, coz it wasn't uploaded with registered name to the guild so I can't find it yet.
torn dome
Im not home. Just beat a dummy and upload a log?
split sorrel
Why is it 6s only ? With Subterfuge it's 3s aura + 6s buff
haughty escarp
6s when comin out of stealth, 9s with vanish
torn dome
From stealth its 6. Vanish 9
split sorrel
I should stop popping in the middle of a discussion 😄
crystal belfry
Mantle of the Master Assassin Opner
This my log on Krusos 2 days ago. And as I mentioned above I have a bad MS 500 ms or more.
And as I said the 3rd Mut will fall with 100% crit. Because when I play on moring not raid time with 70 ms It always fall on 100% resulting 4 CP
Just use ring while casting Env since it has no GC. 12 sec ring buff and already 2 sec gone from KB buff and 12 sec left.
torn dome
It physically cannot... Its global n7
crystal belfry
:S
haughty escarp
i dont understant opening mutilate instead of garrote though
split sorrel
^^
crystal belfry
Yes dude my bad on ring, just use it while casting Env just read what I typed plz. But 3rd Mut will be in last sec of mantle buff, it's the 6th abilty and not falling on the 7th GC!!!
haughty escarp
you loose 1gcd of potential regen
torn dome
Can you share the log?
crystal belfry
Because when you open with Mut you have chance to apply posion and after that use garrot to get the instannt tick with energy regen, and delaying garrot will provide you 1 sec to cast 1 more ENV while mantle buff up instead of renew the garrot.
Last Mut after using vanish will be with 4 CP, you have the option at this moment to cast env or w8 1 sec and renew garrot.
wheat mist
can someone explain me how to sim sin with mantle/dos properly?
strong gorge
Take a deep breath.
Are the logs private? Otherwise, just post the link and it's easy to see how things played out.
Delaying the garrote might make sense
torn dome
Improvement happens when you argue and defend said things. Theres nothing personal
crystal belfry
No the garrot does instant dmg when you aplly it, you have better chance to apply aposions when opned with Mut and delay garrot for more burst later on. And since you are on subterfuge you will gain 125% dmg as well.
haughty escarp
i'm on the dummy right now and don't see the instant damage on garrote anywhere
not showing up in the combat log either
crystal belfry
add Ripper#2562
torn dome
So... Do you actually have a log or what
crystal belfry
Yes I did send the screen shot.
crystal belfry
I have no idea why you think am trolling. I am just have really bad latency which fucks it up sometims.
here it is if that will makes you feels better
without procs
change to casts
torn dome
Never said you were trolling. Just wanted to have something to back up quite the claims
granite gust
The man has some solid proof holy chit
crystal belfry
I don't claim, I said inv me and will do 2M dps sustained with 0 buffs and NO BL till the KB drops.
torn dome
Well the log shows you at 1.7m dps. Which is fairly normal for mantle dos
2m if you cut at kb
crystal belfry
The raid is at 9:00 EU time which is bad MS for me. That sequence of rotaion will result the best opner dps.
torn dome
If you look at top logs this is very typical dps on opener
crystal belfry
BTW I have bad gear. because am not lucky on drops although if you checked my "wowprogress" you will c how much M+ I have done. For example no COF till now and no better barcers same goes for other gear.
torn dome
Getting a bomb proc is basicslly 2m dps
torn dome
Getting back to the original point of the convo. If you want said opener to be implemented, write it in simc apl and aethys will take a look
wheat mist
@torn dome how do you write simc apl´s? i wish to sim myself but i have mantle/dos on sin and i heard you need to change the apl´s to get proper results
wheat mist
oh ok ill check it thanks
random gorge
@wheat mist This is the apl for DoS + mantle according to people here on discord:
actions.cds+=/use_item,name=draught_of_souls,if=equipped.140808&(talent.agonizing_poison.enabled&debuff.agonizing_poison.stack=5&debuff.surge_of_toxins.remains>=3|!talent.agonizing_poison.enabled)&energy.deficit>=80&((equipped.144236&buff.master_assassins_initiative.remains>=3|cooldown.vanish.remains>=10)|!equipped.144236)
wheat mist
ty :)!
native topaz
how do I switch relics on simcraft?
pure condor
"BTW I have bad gear. because am not lucky on drops although if you checked m" but he has boots and mantle lego. "not lucky" 😄
haughty escarp
is there a general consensus on dos usage with mantle outside of the opener? I mean, use on cd or align with vanish?
i heared it should be delayed if under 33% crit, but i don't really know
maybe you simc gurus have an answer
crystal belfry
@pure condor 1st check my wowprogress for M+, secondly check all top 100 rogues all fights and compare with my gear. If you are someone with 300 M+ and want to get BIS 1st 2 legedndaries then better to mock yourself instead of mocking others.
And the arguments was about other top 10 doing same dmg as my opner while they have at least 9 ilvl higher on agi gear not rings and necks only. So I answered with that.
crystal belfry
He just wasted AP application while KB up and energy pooling from using the trinket.
And all Trinket hits has less dmg than 5 or 4 stacks of AP, acording to my mastery it will do 48% less dmg
ocean sable
it looks like he fit in an extra cast at the end because of it
night tinsel
he did that so that he had more uptime on the mantle buff
split sorrel
DoS doesn't break stealth in Assa aswell
haughty escarp
you can vanish+stopattack macro into garrote/envenom very quickly and still not break stealth
split sorrel
garrote doesn't cancel stealth ?
because, AFAIK any ability use will trigger any "AA Ready"
it's why when you pull with let's say shadowstrike, it'll show "autoattack" (swing event) before SS dmg
haughty escarp
it is possible to use non instant damage openers without breaking stealth
or triggering auto attack
when you press sstrike you're also triggering auto attack
split sorrel
yes so Garrote should do the trick
I'm going to test differents openers for Assa aswell as test regular usage of DoS
Will post here the benchmark profile I'll setup for this
drifting quiver
Maybe this is for simple questions but when will these sims be ready for us plebs that cant do it themself. And does this mean that we maybe should open with DoS instead of the normal mantleopener ? 😮
split sorrel
technically
you can do this DoS trick as opener or on the vanish
as long as ur AA are cancel
about what it's the more worth, it's up to SimC
I guess the difference will be huge, but it'll be interesting to see
haughty escarp
But if you do the regular opener and cancel on vanish to DoS you loose on kingsbane stacking :/
split sorrel
You're right, I guess that's why he does that then
SimC will tell us 😃
now I can cancel_autoattack on whatever I want (and not only sprint for subtlety)
so I can test it easily ^^
untold needle
I kinda got confuzzled. DoS doesn't break stealth? And that's why you aa cancel?
split sorrel
no
well rather, yes it doesn't cancel stealth (the trinket effect itself), but AA still goes on during DoS so that's why you don't want to "extend your vanish" this way (due to KB)
but if your KB isn't ongoing and your vanish is coming back aswell as DoS (and u don't want to delay), it's probably a gain to do that
i.e. cancel aa garrote -> DoS (or DoS -> garrote) -> rupture
if garrote is far, just skip it and do DoS w/ cancel -> rupture
but since this is done with Subterfuge (because you have mantle)
you can always garrote, so 2nd thing isn't an issue and rupture isn't needed (because no modifier on it, in fact it's better to refresh it prior to vanish to do a lot of Envenom)
(I had NS in mind when I first wrote this)
there are definetely some interesting things there to test, not as many as Subtlety but still
hmm
is Rupture cancelling Stealth ? I don't think there is a direct dmg portion
because DoS basically extends ur stealth (same as subterfuge)
but then you have 50% dmg on it
so you would have an empowered rupture for 3 more seconds with 100% crit (and u pray RNGesus for BotA)
and 50% dmg on DoS
torn dome
Stuff not breaking stealth only happen with subter
It is the ancient subter interacting with stealth
split sorrel
Are you sure about that ? I can't test right now since I'm at work
torn dome
Yes
It is subter that causes it all.
Mounting, dos, flightmasters whistle, archeology, flag capping.
They all work in stealth only with subter
tawny fulcrum
Had a friend testing DoS breaking stealth or not, did break stealth with nightstalker, didnt break stealth with subterfuge so yeah, subterfuge is broken (who knew?)
torn dome
its been like this since mop
split sorrel
Welcome to the #subtlety club, enjoying #subterfuge bugs 😃
naive birch
sorry, not right channel, but in pvp i can DoS people without breaking stealth?
split sorrel
probably with subter
may you test
vanish garrote envenom
while cancelling AA (envenom will re-enable it)
with and without subterfuge
you can put whatever instead of envenom, like mutilate
torn dome
I did this a when we discussed sub sprint
and the first global you use in vanish procs subter
split sorrel
what about with ns ?
torn dome
anything breaks it
torn dome
does not
split sorrel
except DoS while stealthed (the buff)
it looks compromised for Vanish
if subter proc on the first gcd
torn dome
My testing:
Cast vanish
focuscast nb, evi, ss or any other regular rogue spell with focus macro so no aa never happens
And it procs subter which destealths
split sorrel
are you sure AA doesn't happen ?
AA happens automatically (without a right click or a /startattack) when you're casting an offensive spell
torn dome
no if you dont have a target
or target yourself
trick that has been rogue staple for years
split sorrel
and apparently only if it has a direct damage component
torn dome
focus garrote/rupture in sap
rupture and garrote would startattack aswell if I had the same target as my target
but if you target yourself and use macros only the spell happens
dry pawn
hey guys is simc using a rotation to accomodate the leg soulders when using dos?
or just using dos on cd?\
dry pawn
but you use it durign the shoudlers buff right? is there a command i can put it just so it'll do it when i sim as sin?
split sorrel
you can tweak the APL to sync it yes
small moon
SimC says that Bracers/Cinidaria with DoS and Frond give me more DPS than Bracers/Insignia with DoS and CoF. Should I trust it?
lunar trout
@small moon Makes sense; you get to use DoS in your opener when the target is above 90% which is a lot of damage due to Cinidaria. I would be using CoF over Frond regardless of your legendary mix however.
small moon
@lunar trout So, I should keep Bracers/Cinidaria and DoS/CoF, yeah? 😃
split sorrel
@small moon depends on fight length and how the Boss HP are changing
small moon
@split sorrel most boss take around 10 seconds to drop from 100% to 90% hp with my guild. Does that make Insignia a better choice? Maybe use Cinidaria when we're not lusting at the start and Insignia otherwise? 😃
split sorrel
probably @small moon altough DoS is strong with Cinidaria
sullen quail
shut lance
SnD Outlaw maybe
strong rune
it's pretty strong for outlaw of all flavors
split sorrel
SnD Frond :P
torpid skiff
880 DoS+875 CoF both > 875 Entwined elemntal right?
dry pawn
ive got a 880 socket urn simming higher than an 890 dos with leg shoudlers
like 10k more . is this correct or does simc not use dos properly with leg shoulders?
vapid ridge
add this
actions.cds+=/use_item,name=draught_of_souls,if=equipped.140808&(talent.agonizing_poison.enabled&debuff.agonizing_poison.stack=5&debuff.surge_of_toxins.remains>=3|!talent.agonizing_poison.enabled)&energy.deficit>=80&((equipped.144236&buff.master_assassins_initiative.remains>=3|cooldown.vanish.remains>=10)|!equipped.144236)
and take out your other trinket action with a #comment
safe aspen
how do you sim a relic that you dont have?
is there a way to force the ilvl like other items @split sorrel
I dont understand the bonus id thing
safe aspen
I'm using 2 ma
but just got a 3rd one at 895 ilvl so I wanted to sim if it's worth to use 3
or well "just"
I got it last week
hmm nope I dont understand anyways
so this is what simc tells me
main_hand=,id=128870,bonus_id=741,relic_id=3516:1502:3337/3445:1497:1813/3536:1552:3337,gem_id=140822/140815/137465/0
and I wanna use this id
142510
at 895 ilvl
split sorrel
instead of which one ?
safe aspen
the third one I think
137465
do I just remove the whole bonus_id line
and replace with relic_ilevel=905/900/895
?
I did that and it seems to have worked
what is the use for the /0 at the end?
split sorrel
it's because blizzard coded 4 relics slot
probably the initial thing planned for 7.2 (before the 2nd trait)
or something for 7.3 like legendary ring in WoD
split sorrel
yes it's fine the way u did it
safe aspen
so the change is from Vendetta 7.0 55.58sec to Vendetta 7.3 52.48sec
this is for krosus so a 363 sec fight with 0 variance
split sorrel
3rd MA ? it's 4s no ? so looks like ok
safe aspen
ye its 4 sec
safe aspen
so simc thinks its a 1k dps gain to use 3ma when my trinkets are frond + draught and a 1k dps loss when my trinkets are frond + cof
echo raptor
Simulation setup error:
Unable to open output file 'D:/Program Files (x86)/simc-715-02-win64\simc_report.txt'?
I get tat error when i try sim myself
any idea?
safe aspen
@split sorrel Zorkg missing 'use_item' action for item "gnawed_thumb_ring" (slot=finger1)
does this mean there's no default apl for that ring for rogues?
split sorrel
there is
remove the apl
it'll auto generate
or use default_actions=1 (something like that) as suggested in the warning 😃 😃
dry pawn
question if simc parsing urn better than dos while amr sims the other way round . which one should i consider? its like an 8-10k dps difference
dry pawn
on?
split sorrel
spec, talent, apl, fight, etc...
dry pawn
....
well lets say its a pure single target fight
krosus for example
running vigor , mp , ap
split sorrel
I forgot, legendaries aswell
😃
The thing is, you didn't gave any report (nor AMR link, nor SimC HTML file)
You might not be using the latest version, + SimC APL needs some tweak
dry pawn
with boots an shoudler leg
in general tho isnt dos suppose to be super amazing with shoudler
dry pawn
ok
limber spear
Yo team, I was wondering how shadowmeld(nelf racial) works with the legendary shoulders... as I am not a nelf I can't test this, but would shadowmeld work like a second vanish and give u the shoulder buff thus giving you a huge dps increase just from racials?
split sorrel
no.
limber spear
So it just straight up doesn't work?
night tinsel
it just won't give you the mantle buff
dry pawn
also , aethys , proper way to use shoudler with dos is to use dos and vanish on cd right?
it will only line up on third vanish after the opener?
split sorrel
I would say using it on pull
it seems to be a gain, but didn't verified yet
otherwise, yes try to sync it
dry pawn
is it worth delaying though?
40 secs delay to sync them up
so it will likely perfectly sync around the third vanish
split sorrel
no, don't delay too much
except if it's the last one of the fight ofc
(delay vanish or dos, depending on which one is the last and if u'll have enough time)
willow pecan
i wrote a line that syncs last vanish with vendetta if you wanna try it out
(it delays the last vanish if it would not mean you lose a vanish)
fluid wagon
I thought this as well but after researching a few top parsing rogues they are delaying the 40 sec to line them up and getting 5-10mil more dmg on fel crazed than me using it 4 times not lined up correctly and them using it 3
spice girder
IF we have Shoulders - do we need to use Subterfuge over Nightstalker? Since it dosn't seem that we are getting prio to do Nightstalker Ruptures?
or did i misunderstand something?
fluid wagon
subterfuge with shoulders yes
spice girder
what does the opener change into? Because i don't want to drop to much off after the opener - like for example withoit shoulders you would be able to Burst higher if you didn't nightstalk into rupture but you would then drop off more until Vanish gets ready again,
meaning i don't want to fuck up a new muscle memory learning curve and having to redo it again
fluid wagon
do you have draught or no?
spice girder
Not yet - hopefully 2night thou
fluid wagon
i burst about 2mil with draught and shoulders
spice girder
haven't dropped besides once and the Warrrior got it (maeks snese)
torn dome
Take the convo over to#228878985210101760
fluid wagon
garrote>mut>rup> mut>KB>env > vendetta/vanish >reapply buffed garrote for pandemic buff> spam mut>env cuz muts will give u 4 cp
without draught I still burst about 1.5-1.7 with this
and hold 900k-1mil for quite awhile
spice girder
Shit - didn't even notice i was in the Simulations tab - srry boys and Thank you @fluid wagon i'll start learning this and play around with the openers
torn dome
thanks
fluid wagon
good luck
peak lynx
Does simc use DoS on cd when you have mantle as assassination?
fluid wagon
you have to change the APL, i believe its in the pinned messages
teal ice
I got DoS, but not the shoulder, should I use the APL in the punned messages? or just sim it normally
strong willow
where can we see the pinned message, i dont use discord often
nvm
sorry if im stupid but where do i input the APL
T19 H assassin ?
wind otter
@strong willow import via armory and you'll see the apl
wind otter
you're not the first one with this problem ;P
maiden cargo
is the lastest beta build thing of simC on steroids? i gained 40k dps overnight without getting upgrades, just by upgrading
and mastery has dropped under crit and vers at 0.51
limber dock
hello friends is there a dos apl
maiden cargo
ran it 5 times 😭
strong willow
for some reason simcraft added 150k dps to people
overnight
footwork do you have frond?
nocturne niche
Does anyone know how I would word the APL to wait on Draught of Souls for Vanish if it'll be off cooldown within X seconds? I'd like to be more precise than just "actions.cds+=/use_item,name=draught_of_souls"
maiden cargo
Are sims broken or something right now? Was at 140% mastery and i'm simming higher dropping my mastery to 116% and getting like 3% more vers and 7% more crit. And even after that drop, Crit and Vers are both scaling higher than mastery
Sin btw
terse turret
how do you change a simcraft apl and does anyone have a good draught of souls apl?
stark hill
@maiden cargo got the same result ? any info on that ?
warped jasper
!opener
hazy perch
So with my simcraft i have a .29 error how bad is that?
abstract plover
Without detta boots. Is it 2 MA and 1 gushing wound? Or vice versa?
boreal pasture
do I have to make a change to simc to get mantle to sim correctly
pliant pagoda
which fight style best represents like, botanist or gul'dan?
deft rain
botanist is pure ST, so patchwerk would be fine i guess
keen ledge
Well on mythic it is st tunneling
torn dome
Latest nightly is indeed broken right now. Download an earlier version for simming purposes
split sorrel
I heard I broke something in latest nightly
will look at it ASAP
Pray that wowprogress snapshot this nightly
ahhaah
ionic eagle
someone linked some results in #228878985210101760 i think
wait, i can link
no i can't
fuck IE
worked
split sorrel
it's okay
split sorrel
sometimes they use nightly
keen ledge
seems to be the implementation of the stealth bug. Sin was simming with 50% stealth uptime and 80% benefit
safe aspen
how come memento of angerboda trinket has 7.5% uptime per buff in sim and 15% ingame?
for me
like is there something simc is missing?
split sorrel
@keen ledge The stealth bug was implemented correctly, it's just I limited it to Subterfuge only but forgot to put the condition when not having subterfuge talented 😉
keen ledge
Ah x3
torn dome
name of the commit lmao
dark obsidian
Do we still need custom apl to sim shoulders?
dark obsidian
alright, is there a mantle + dos apl out yet?
boreal pasture
any1 have a working mantle apl for sin
dark obsidian
look in pinned posts
steady forum
its pinned somewhere in theorycrafting
at least for mantle for assa
cant find line for dos myself
strong gorge
@safe aspen It procs when someone dies. In sims none dies. In your raids, maybe they do?
limpid holly
There's also other situations in which it procs
no one really knows exactly what they are
so sims don't know either
visual karma
Hello, did anyone had a DPS drop on Outlaw while simming ? Week ago i had some kind of 750k, today it's 400k, i didn't change anything, just got my 54 point in blades.
elfin quartz
did you import from armory or ingame?
visual karma
ingame
elfin quartz
hm okay... but someone mentioned that the latest simc nightly is kinda buggy right now, maybe it's bc of that
torn dome
Outlaw might be only using ambush as it never leaves stealth 😛
keen ledge
Probably... Huge energy waste, never taking advantage of hidden blade
And generally low dmg
visual karma
Damage source Ambush - 1.4%
I'll try the older version
hazy steeple
Should I be using the default Assassination APL in simc when I do an Armory import or should I be using something else?
keen ledge
Default is fine
hazy steeple
Thanks @keen ledge
torn dome
Just dont use latest nightly
keen ledge
Yup
hazy steeple
Good to know, I'm using latest stable release
keen ledge
Something broke
torn dome
Latest stable is even more outdated tho
hazy steeple
OH haha
split sorrel
It's something that happen with nightly, that's why there are previous one ^^
iron elk
i downloaded the latest build after some weeks and envenoms casts are basically halved.
there are new strategies behind rupture that plummet envenom so behind?
torn dome
If you read any of the messages above
iron elk
o: sorry
i thought the message were for leg shoulder, my bad
hazy steeple
So simc-715-02-win64-1b72e91.7z is the one we should be using?
torn dome
That should be it.
hazy steeple
Ok, that shows Agi > Vers > Crit >Mastery >Haste for my stat priority as assassination. That sounds wrong, so I wanted to make sure
torn dome
How does damage break down look like?
torn dome
Yep. So have to use even earlier
hazy steeple
ok
torn dome
That has the bug aswell
hazy steeple
@dawn chasm You'll want to ask in #228879234540503040 most likely
@torn dome What's the bug? Curious so I can identify myself instead of having to show screenshots as I go through builds
hazy steeple
Ahh
torn dome
And if you look at action prio list
Open example sequence
It casts rupture all the time
torn dome
Good to know. It has already been fixed so the next nightly will work again
hazy steeple
Cool
split sorrel
I guess, I didn't tested 😄
torn dome
At leas we know now which version is fine
random gorge
the latest .exe seems to work fine for me
envenom highest damage source at about 24%
and stat weights look good too
torn dome
Goot to know
wet glade
What's the reasoning behind SSing at higher cp with mantle equipped? I can understand different logic under the buff, but the apl only has cp deficit >=blah talent shb stuff - equipped.mantle. Did I read this line wrong?
safe aspen
@strong gorge sure there are deaths but not to that extent, it's always at twice or more of what sim says it should be
the uptime of the buffs the memento procs that is
glossy wolf
has anyone seen the updated sims on simcraft for sin? they've got 910 + boots/shoulders at 1.1m sustained dps... Is there a bug I haven't seen?
torn dome
read up 2 posts up
glossy wolf
got it @torn dome thanks
pine grotto
Is there a simcraft issue with Garrote Damage? It seems to be twice as high as it should be. It shows at 14.7% of my damage while my logs and AskMrRobot are at like 7%. Uptimes are all upper 90's. 898ilvl
If I revert back a to my version of Simcraft I downloaded on 2/2 it goes back to 7.4% (also drops my dps by about 100k)
torn dome
again read a few posts up
split sorrel
😋
torn dome
Could discord make it so pinned posts show like sticky posts on forums 🤔
torn dome
Its cool. Id agaain really like for discord to have a bit more customization in terms of modding bigger cannels
warped sequoia
is the nightly build bugged?
i sim like 50k more than i did with the version from 28/2
and nothing changed with my gear
oh i just read
hahaha
im stupid
torn dome
Last nights nightly had a stealth bug slipped into it so results "may" read very much incorrectly. Use a nightly few builds before or wait for a new one.
torn dome
I can remoe it too, should be this night
split sorrel
yeah Collision will push another nightly in less than 12hrs I guess 😃
round vapor
does "a stealth bug" mean an unnoticed software defect, or a bug related to "stealth"?
strong gorge
The latter, but I can see the confusion
split sorrel
It's the stealth extended bug
I extended a bit too much (forgot the non subterfuge talent :D)
vapid ridge
lol so if not specced subterfuge you get permastealth?
would be nice if discord had an option for a channel banner that is always across the top of the channel and follows as you scroll down
@split sorrel do you only update simc for rogues or do you make changes for all classes
split sorrel
mostly rogue
pure condor
@split sorrel do you still update your onedrive simc collection or is that abandoned?
sick heart
any ideas on why simcraft would crash every time it finishes simming
dapper beacon
can anyone help me out w a simcraft problem? i can't import my character and if i try to use the addon and copy/paste that into simulate, the result i get is from a different character and it gives me an error
it won't even let me sim automated profiles
feral crystal
Just read the pinned message
had a feeling something was off, mastery way undervalued, envenom damage being half what it should be with 4piece
willow pecan
@feral crystal good thing you wrote that now, ause i didn't notice it
i was simming myself for an hour now, and it did seem weird, that all of a sudden it simmed better with dropping mastery from 160% to 130%
safe aspen
@torn dome do you think there may be a chance simc nightly could be bugged?
strong gorge
There's always a chance the nightly can be bugged
split sorrel
^^
gray minnow
Where in SimC can I change Old War to Prolonged?
torn dome
Pinned message @safe aspen 🤔
willow pecan
Do you know if anyone wroked on the bug yet?
odd sedge
why dont you just use the previous version?
dire pebble
I have a question about siming trinkets. I have a fairly wide array of trinkets but I get HUGE dps variances. I currently have a 865 Tirathon's, 875 Nightblooming Frond, 890 Arcanogolem Digit, and a 895 Entwined Elemental Foci. Simc is telling me to use the Arcanogolem and Tirathon's, but pretty much any other combination results in almost a 100k DPS loss. I was curious if this sounds correct as I feel from research I should be using some of these higher ilvl trinks I have available.
dire pebble
Thank you, I will have to update when I get home and see if it makes a difference. Just didnt seem right
old arch
Is there any APL for sub with legendary shoulders and DoS? By default felcrazed rage is 4.3% of total damage and low crit for me on simc.
In raid it's usually 10+% when timed with sprint/vanish
split lintel
What is the point for sprinting with drought?
regal agate
you can combine the sprint trait with the usage of the trinket. even more benefitial with the shoulders see #tc-updates for more information on that (sub specific)
split sorrel
@old arch are u running latest simc version ?
with DoS it does sync sprint & dos
with and without shoulders, it's not a gain to delay dos after sprint usage
at least, from my latest test
but maybe sprint action wasn't optimal
old arch
Today's nightly, noticed it with other previous versions too
old arch
sub:dos+shoulders
maybe i'm not getting it right, but the question arrised when I saw how DoS portion is
how low*
example of a log where I delayd sprint for DoS:
so if simc do not uses DoS only under 100% crit buff window, it's considered as not optimal to delay sprint/vanish for DoS?
rotund current
so is there a special API or something for simc to properly sim mantle and DoS?
i remember seeing people asking about this a couple days ago
pliant briar
Anyone have an issue when trying to sim 2 legendaries at once? it instantly crashes SimC for me
split sorrel
No
mystic jolt
ok thanks
untold needle
what better 885 stat stick or 880 frond?
dapper holly
DoS does it crit every time of the first hit is crit or do you need full Manyle duration for the best damage
night tinsel
each hit is individually rolled, so you need mantle up during the full 3 seconds to guarantee they all crit
cobalt turtle
I gained a few trinkets this week, i'm unsure as to which is actually good for me since NFB isn't simming accurately (or so i've read) any advice would be many appreciate I have NFB-890 / CoF-875-socket/Arcanogolem digit-875-socket / ethereal urn-875 / Memento of Angerboda-880 http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/hellfire/Stickyfíngaz/advanced
gaunt gale
@cobalt turtle NBF is simming correctly now. see Aethys' post in #tc-updates
cobalt turtle
alrighty ^^
lusty hazel
Can someone give me an example using the relic_ilevel override? I think I'm doing it wrong
safe aspen
I wouldn't go 1 ma
at 2 ma, boots and cof vendetta has 44.9 sec cd on average
which lines up very neatly with kingsbanes 45 sec
@maiden cargo
@lusty hazel main_hand=,id=128870,bonus_id=741,relic_ilevel=905/900/895,gem_id=140822/140815/142510/0
odd sedge
dudes this isnt #228879234540503040 channel
tribal scroll
@maiden cargo dont have non-simc related discussion here
haughty escarp
Hi, can someone help me implement the shoulder/draught APL into simc? I have no clue how to do it and have a lot of gear to sim for comparison
dire rapids
Is there a way to get the bonusid to an item that has a socket without equipping it
Got a socketed cloak that I wanna sim but its BoE so I dont want to waste it if it turns out to be worse
nvm, Im dumb, you just drop the gem_id after the item and it does itself
gray imp
Anyone have direct link to race sims? Can't seem to find it now.
feral crystal
Does anyone notice simc running a lot slower with the newest nightly?
eager iris
Nope.
feral crystal
Strange. Mine usually run quite quickly. Going at a snails pace today
feral crystal
Where do you unzip the nightly builds into?
I usualy just download the installer again, but seeing if an older nightly is different in speed
because it just seems to be running so slowly atm
deep egret
DOES VERSATILTY INCREASE DAMAGE OF DOS?
tribal scroll
For the last time since it gets asked every day, frond sims accurately, it is just a rppm trinket that fundamentally has a lot of variance ingame
civic cradle
I've just run a sim and can't see insignia of ravenholdt on the damage distribution circle, anyone had that? downloading the latest now just in case
grabbing the latest fixed it
sim also went up from 695k to 746k, no complaints :p
tiny sundial
Heya guys, i have legendary shoulders and draught of souls, but ever since i got draught my sims fell down 100k in dps. Can anyone help me with this?
civic cradle
do you have the latest nightly
willow pecan
@tiny sundial
"nightly build" means the latest version uploaded. (called nightly because the build compiles once a day)
http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/?C=M;O=D
tiny sundial
@willow pecan does that make it so simc wont use DoS unless i use vanish?=
willow pecan
i don't know for sure
you're gonna want to use this (it's also in pinned messages, always check those):
http://pastebin.com/3ZstJgjD
tiny sundial
Okay, thanks alot!
boreal pasture
i get an error tryign to run that apl with DoS but works for with mantle just fine
gaunt pelican
simming outlaw for Multi fights. I set number of boss to 4 and simmed. yet it's still using the APL for ST with wrists?
limber dock
sooo how do i active dos in simc
north parrot
does current nightly use mantle/DoS properly?
I know we had to use override a bit ago, wondering if it's been included now
bleak sky
rotund current
how do you simc a relict without equiping it?
stable river
so what are some of the biggest mistakes new assassination player make that kills their DPS out put?
gaunt gale
@stable river Dying is a big one. Also, finishing only on 5cp seems common.
lusty hazel
4 or 5
usually if you have 4 don't cast another ability
in some situations you can use kingsbane or garrote to get to 5cp
stable river
so ive been adding in another mutilate to get to 5 cp, and by doing that i know im over capping but i never knew it was a damagen loss
is it?
lusty hazel
It is a damage loss to Mut on 4cp, you lose one cp for sure, possibly 2 or 3 depending on crits
stable river
so if i need to refresh rupture and i only hae 4cp, and i cant garrote or KB i should just refresh
stable river
and if i have a ticking rupture that doesnt need to be refreshed and i cant use garrote or kingsbane i should envenom?
what about keeping envenom up while kingsbane is up
i find that kinda hard to do
keen ledge
Yea, ANY finisher at 4+ except when vanish rupture
lusty hazel
Before you kingsbane you want 4-5cp and a full energy bar
that way you can sustain envenoms
lusty hazel
if you're at 5 you'd env first, if you're at 4 I'm not sure
keen ledge
But guys this is not the right channel for the topic
lusty hazel
Oh right, you can ask more questions in #228879234540503040
keen ledge
Or just general discussions on #228878985210101760
stable river
ok thanks for the advice!!
terse thistle
hey can anybody tell me how to find the warforged version of an item on wowhead?
iron obsidian
Click the "Find upgrades..." button between "Links" and "Compare"
terse thistle
nothing happs when i click the button :/
keen ledge
I was having issues with WoWhead earlier today
iron obsidian
Nvm. For example, http://www.wowhead.com/item=139329/bloodthirsty-instinct&bonus=1806, click Item Versions under the tooltip.
Or moreso the hypertext next to it, and then you can change it.
Still not letting me change the iLvl directly though.
terse thistle
is simcraft calculating cof correctly?
regal agate
yes
mortal cobalt
Why does Insignia of Ravenholdt show so high in the sims on sin? I got it and feel like its utter crap
willow pecan
because it's more or less as good as wrist or boots.
they are all in the realm of 5% increase
mortal cobalt
but ring is no 5% increase on sin, its about 3,4% on 1 target. Also I simmed boots+shouldern onto my character and then get almost 60k more dps, so I doubt they are all in the same area
lavish fractal
anyone else getting their time spent refreshing rupture around 17%?
tribal scroll
shoulders + boots is mental
maiden cargo
anybody else got problems with wowhead? I am not able to choose a specific ilvl for items anymore which hampers me in simming with items i dont currently have
amber viper
Hey guys, outlaw main here trying to decipher a few things on my Simc results. Why is pistol shot's Damage per execute time so damn high. How is that different from DPS of the ability?
rocky iris
probably because it does a lot of damage every time you use it, but you don't use it often
simple heron
is the shoulders BIS for sin?
rocky iris
yes
keen ledge
BiS for all specs
wanton shell
well tbf it is bis only with the trinket
im overtaking shoulder boots rogues with bracers if no DoS
keen ledge
Sim wise shoulders are BiS with or without DoS
limpid holly
what if i suck aswell
rocky iris
then you're just fucked in general
ornate mountain
MA relics and CoF simming correctly ?
It's not giving me the average dps push that it should ...
switching from 3x rupture dmg relic to 2x MA relic + CoF (no boots) itemlvl stays roughly the same
quick grotto
Probably asked a lot, but does anyone know how to use simcraft to compare relics? Not sure what I need to replace in my string to change the relic in my weapon
drowsy ether
What's the best way to sim additional levels in the 4th golden dragon? I'm just interested to see in how much extra damage a level will give me
stone sandal
if you mouse over the dragon, it tells you. the first point is +5% damage, then i think it's +1% every point
or you can find the artifact line in your import file (from using the simc addon ingame)
looks like this
artifact=43:0:0:0:0:323:3:324:3:325:3:327:3:328:3:329:1:330:3:331:3:332:1:333:1:334:1:335:1:337:1:346:1:347:1:1276:1
and type the number of traits that you want to check into it
limber dock
soooo any1 know how to turn on dos in my sims
😄
odd sedge
it´s turned on by default what do you mean?
vapid ridge
@limber dock pinned post has apl for dos and for shoulders I think.
blazing flame
Hi there ! Do you have/know how to make a sim profile to compare different rtb policy ?
blazing flame
nobody ?
proven dawn
You'll need to edit the APL to implement a new RTB policy
blazing flame
Yeah i have allready did it, but i don't know if it's possible to do something like "copy=3+tb"
Or, on linux for exemple, can you import and launch a file with a command like "./simcraft inputNameFile outputHtmlFile" ?
proven dawn
I think so but let me ping @split sorrel who knows better
blazing flame
Ok ty, i looked for it, but i didn't find clear explanation about it in sim doc. But the last option will be great, that's mean i write some code to automaticilly find the best dice policy for my stuff
proven dawn
You may want to look at Aethys' CombinX project: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/CombinX
It is designed to do automated design space exploration using SimC
(Sorry didn't realize you were asking a more technical question, hard to tell people who just want someone to write a new APL policy for their idea and people who want to write new APL themselves)
blazing flame
Oh nice ! Some .py code. Maybe i can adapt that to rtb policies. I'll check into it
Thanks a lot 😃 (sorry about my english ^^)
mellow bobcat
cinder iron
what is the legendary shoulder apl for simcraft?
sleek coyote
How valuable is the 2 peice night hold?
I can put on 2 peice chest and cloak, I lose 20 and 15 ilvls by doing that
assasination
finite thunder
@sleek coyote you should sim that, because sin 2p is 4%-5% of my damage, probably is worth to drop some ilvl, but I dont know if that much is still a dps gain
radiant pier
I have threads legendary, however movespeed seems to be linearly worthless . SimC working properly ?
livid rover
hey guys since the start of legion i tried simming once and told my guild, it said i needed more haste, they told me not to follow sims cause icyveins said haste is the worst and vera is better
so what do i do
sim my own pawn strings or trust icyveins?
iron obsidian
IcyVeins for rogues is shit. Use your own pawn strings
supple flicker
Can someone copy-paste the simc line for the Duskwalker's Footpads please? I wanna simc myself with them on
humble condor
i just got [Draught of Souls] , but is it really that good without the synergy with [Mantle of the Master Assassin] ?
willow lava
anyone know why my Draught of Souls (895) is simming lower than my Entwined Elemental Foci (890)?
split sorrel
Subtlety Changes should be in next nightly 😃
strong willow
sorry if this is a dumb question, but im getting this to come up when i sim my character
Sphinctur missing 'use_item' action for item "gnawed_thumb_ring" (slot=finger2)
Sphinctur missing 'use_item' action for item "draught_of_souls" (slot=trinket2)
Disable this warning by adding 'use_item' actions into the action priority list for the actor(s), or add "use_item_verification=0" to your list of options passed to Simulationcraft