tc-research

[sand raft]

http://roguedpsguide.com/rogue-legion-wow-trinkets-pve/

Frond BiS at 880+

All 3 specs, slightly weaker for outlaw

[hard kettle]

i mean the note on what u just linked says DoS and CoF is better

ok haste is roughly 14kdps

let me redo this shit

[deft maple]

Note: Nightblooming Frond is currently simming higher than it should be. Draught and CoF are most likely better.

[sand raft]

It says probably though. So pending them fixing the sim

[hard kettle]

so its like 5 mil

dmg

plus the 18, is like 23mil dmg total

from draught on a fight

[sand raft]

But that note shows in the error bars.

[hard kettle]

so fond passively does 13mil from agi and needs to do 10mil from the strikes to be equal

[deft maple]

i mean i take those sims' with a grain

400k sim, they in damn dungeon gear lulz

[hard kettle]

lol

[sand raft]

It's simming them purely on the value of the trinkets

it's not dps

[deft maple]

your stats and stuff going to affect some of that dmg more the better the gear + leg's

[hard kettle]

i guess it coms down to how often fond can grant 10mil dmg

[deft maple]

specially with CoF

[sand raft]

I still think it's just RNG. Good procs, frond is better, better use of DoS, draught is better

[deft maple]

best way, go beat a dummy up 10 times and swap

take your averages 😛

[sand raft]

Like any increased damage on the boss phases I imagine Draught outscales everything by a mile

Frond is RNG, so if it procs, it procs. And then it lasts 15 secs , so takes a while to ramp up. Draught is just "here you go"

[hard kettle]

Man i kinda wish they just buffed the proc i just went through old logs and such and its way too bs

[sand raft]

They did actually buff frond

a few hotfixes ago

Only reason it's good at all lol

[hard kettle]

i dont remember them doingthat at all, i do recall them saying they would look at it, but nothing else

[sand raft]

They buffed every trinket that did a flat damage or heal

they were all undervalued

[hard kettle]

i dont think fond was touched

[sand raft]

I'd have to find the blue post. But either way. It's what it is

Where do you pull stat weights from on simc?

[mellow elbow]

Options > scaling

[maiden cargo]

frond is rng but quite good, the sims are accurate

[mellow elbow]

Turn on what you want

And you get it at the top of results

[sand raft]

Ah ok, thanks Dan.

[fallen raptor]

!commands

!guide

[mellow elbow]

!help

Try this one

[kind summit]

hmm kil'jaeden trinket sims higher then the bracers. ~5k dps

(assa)

[odd sedge]

thats wrong though, the sims undervalue zoldycks a lot

bracers are 3rd bis behind mantle and boots

[kind summit]

hm okay i cant rly find any rankings for the legendary trinket

[fallen raptor]

how do you sim gear that you don't have?

or talents

[maiden cargo]

kiljaedens on pure ST

is slightly worse than insignia

however scales quite nicely as soon as you add multitarget

[deft maple]

An AMR account 😃 lol.

It's the easiest. Otherwise your editing a lot of sim item strings.

[exotic mulch]

Is there anyway to keep your rolls the same on outlaw while simming?

want to test gear without rolls influencing it too much

[deft maple]

Don't really want to do that cause that's something you cant control. It does enough passes that your going to get a close average to real life.

[exotic mulch]

Should I just export the pawn string?

[abstract creek]

Is nightblooming still simming to much compared to live dps?

[grizzled path]

can anyone help me with Unable to open output file 'C:/Program Files (x86)/simc-715-02-win64\simc_report.txt' ? everytime I sim my character, get this error.

[modern spruce]

Are Nightblooming sims still higher than they should be?

[cosmic orbit]

"rtb_buffs<=2&!rtb_list.any.6"

How does that read?

[split sorrel]

having 2 or less rtb buffs and not having the 6th buff

alphabetical order

[maiden cargo]

does simc take in consideration what talents you have picked for the diffrent specs?

[split sorrel]

y

[maiden cargo]

how often does [Nightblooming Frond] proc for u guys?
is it only me that thinks its RNG as fuck

[split sorrel]

it is.

[maiden cargo]

so if i change my last talent to dfa it will show a diffrent result?

[split sorrel]

y

[maiden cargo]

hehe ty

[dry trellis]

Hey guys! I just sim'd ma Trinkets via raidbots.com and it shows me, that Tirathons betrayal 900 and nightblooming fond 890 are both better than convergence of fates 875. is there a Chance the sim is wrong? Because cof should be bis?

*my

[split sorrel]

no it's true

but depends on spec

if Assa, be careful

some boots/ma/cof combos are not okay, especially with Exsg

[dry trellis]

Im playing assa with agonizing Poison and 3MA relics.

Alright, so im trying it in tonights raid. Thx @split sorrel

[hallow pelican]

Hey guys! I have boots and cinidaria as my legendaries and I want to switch from cinidaria to either insigna or the wrists. However, I sim 20K-25K less with ring/bracer according to ask mr robot. Is it really that much dps loss?

[hazy prism]

Hard to say what your sims are showing but you should try boots with wrists for most progression. Otherwise test things out in fights and keep getting basic ideas from sims.

[strong quest]

where can i find APL for shoulderS?

[dry trellis]

look at the sticky posts

[exotic canyon]

Hej guys, just got DoS 880+socket, but unsure if I should equip it over 890 Mastery+socket EoG - as ive heard DoS sims incorrectly

According to the list DoS should be better, yet over a few kills on EN HC I feel im doing less dps

[halcyon falcon]

@exotic canyon sim it with: actions.cds+=/use_item,name=draught_of_souls,if=equipped.140808&(talent.agonizing_poison.enabled&debuff.agonizing_poison.stack=5&debuff.surge_of_toxins.remains>=3|!talent.agonizing_poison.enabled)&energy.deficit>=80&((equipped.144236&buff.master_assassins_initiative.remains>=3|cooldown.vanish.remains>=10)|!equipped.144236)
to compare!

[exotic canyon]

o that seems cimplicated but ill try it outy

thanks!

@halcyon falcon where do I paste that exactly?

[halcyon falcon]

when you import your character ther is a line like "actions.cds+=/use_item,slot=trinket..."

just replace that line with the one i posted.

[exotic canyon]

Thanks

!

[barren breach]

wow adding that line added 18k to my sim

[halcyon falcon]

Its not my work, i wrote simething like that but not in general for the possibility to have the shoulders (which are included in this line)
It just says to use your DoS intelligent when youre energystarved(below 70), 5 stacks of agonizing poison are on your target and the SoT Buff is still up for atleast 3 seconds.

and to use it when your 100% crit buff is up if you got the shoulders 😄

[barren breach]

makes sense

[halcyon falcon]

Maybe we should add that we should not use it when Vendetta is up, cause it doesnt scale with it.

and no Kingsbane is up 😄

[barren breach]

I actually used

actions.cds+=/use_item,slot=trinket2,if=debuff.agonizing_poison.stack=5&debuff.surge_of_toxins.remains>3&energy.deficit>=85

since I dont hjave shoulders 😦

[halcyon falcon]

do debuf.surge_of_toxins.remains>=3

[barren breach]

got it ok

[halcyon falcon]

the line works even if you dont have the shoulders

|!equipped.144236)

[barren breach]

yeah looks good

sims better than frond now

all is right in the world

[cosmic orbit]

@split sorrel Why does Outlaw sim so incredibly high compared to even the most geared players in the world? I'm not even coming close to the DPS, standing still with all buffs and lust, etc.

[main magnet]

I dont think it can accurately calculate which buffs you get, i may be wrong.

Mantle with BT for example is pretty nuts

[cosmic orbit]

It calculates which buffs you get.

[main magnet]

For example does it calculate you having BT 50% of the time or 20%? im not sure how it can simulate that as it will be different every time you roll

[wind otter]

the sims are not a static roll the bones

it's just like ingame

different ones each pull

[main magnet]

Sims might be more accurate if you go in options to player skill and select "Ouch! Fire is hot!"

[frosty shell]

i downloaded the most recent simc nightly and I'm still getting pre-nerf kingsbane damage

http://i.imgur.com/xnZ9JBf.png

did I not really download a nightly build?

[merry cloud]

it's damage per execute

[frosty shell]

oh

hahaha I should have looked closer

ty

[raw agate]

any idea if frond still sims too much?

[drifting grail]

/simc

ups sry 😄

[safe aspen]

yo and sim wiz here able to tell me if the unstable arcanocrystal is really as good as the sim tells me

(from withered ji'im)

[ornate mountain]

Are lego schoulders simming correctly or is there a known problem to it?

[hazy steeple]

On wowhead, is anyone able to pull up an 865 Raid Finder Warforged relic? I'm trying to find the bonus ID information for putting into simulcraft for an infused chitin fragment (http://www.wowhead.com/item=140815/infused-chitin-fragment&bonus=3443) but the lowest bonus I can find in the dropdowns is 880

[odd sedge]

yeah that item looks bugged

send them a message or something, the wowhead people

[exotic canyon]

!trinekts

!trinkets

[hazy steeple]

Thanks @odd sedge

[echo hazel]

Sorry for the out of no where question, havent following anything in past 1-2 weeks did they change something on sim for CoF? Getting same DPS from CoF and Arcangolem Digit

In middle of raid and we are deciding who to take it, it sims low for me

[sullen dagger]

@halcyon falcon that APL for shoulders is awesome

brought my dps up by like 20k

err sorry, APL for DOS

[keen ledge]

Can anyone explain to me why a regular sim run uses gouge 10-11 times on a 25-26 second internal when simming outlaw? o.o

[amber basin]

!trinkets

[marsh ginkgo]

@keen ledge do you have dirty tricks on? pretty sure it's something to do w/ it trying to get CP from free gouges on bosses, don't play outlaw though so don't know much beyond that

[keen ledge]

I simmed with and without.

It used it same amount regardless

2.2k dps gain from having Dirty Tricks due to saving the energy

On sims that is

[peak lynx]

Does latest apl make proper use of mantle for sin?

[mortal rune]

hey guys, stopped playing for a month or 2 ago, just need a quick answer on what spec is topping sims atm? Aware that it's in FAQ but i'm kinda just looking for a straight answer

[copper pulsar]

does simcraft account for set pieces?

i have 2set bonus with gloves but i also have legendary gloves, so im not sure if i should use them or not

[maiden cargo]

it kinda depends on mastery level

[copper pulsar]

its from 121-128%mastery

128 with legendary gloves

121 with 2set

[maiden cargo]

i think most high end players are playing mp/ap/vr

[copper pulsar]

ah u were talking 2 the other guy

C:

[maiden cargo]

haha ye bro

i dont think simc accounts for set bonuses

[boreal pasture]

sin gaining 2% overall dps while the rest is gaining much more right?

[maiden cargo]

haha yea sub look awesome

why would you want to reduce cd on garrote lol?

[boreal pasture]

looks like SoD, will be baked into rotation ebing used on cool down with 4p

idk very weak set for sin imo

idk how to change sim code to estimate 4sets

for t20

[maiden cargo]

maybe this time all set peices isnt full of haste in return ^^

[odd sedge]

satair you should check warcraftlogs.com

[copper pulsar]

why does it feel like im doing more dps with subterfuge than nightstalker? o_o

sims 5k less dps but ingame it feels better

i wish dummys didnt reset with vanish 😦

[maiden cargo]

does anyone have the apl for DoS/Subter/mantle?

[safe aspen]

I'm looking for the apl for dos

[split sorrel]

as I said during my stream, I'll put them in the upcoming days

likely for this week-end

[safe aspen]

put them in the simc itself?

[idle sage]

how can i simcraft the trinket from guldan ?
my simcraft just show me like an error
i need to make a use trinket command

[wanton shell]

you realise that if changes go live sin doesnt NEED a good dps boost from the tier set

KB is broken

tbh i hope they tone down mantle a bit

you cant have the newest legendary be bis for all 3 speccs. its completely retarded

[odd sedge]

no, it´s wonderful

legendaries SHOULD be strong on all specs

to avoid being locked

[pure sluice]

@split sorrel whats ur steam link ?

[pure condor]

for assa - since mastery seems to be the go-to stat in most cases: is there a reason apl still says to use vers food?

[merry cloud]

Not updated probably

[pure condor]

ok. thought i was missing something

[split sorrel]

Yes ok, I should make vers exsg & mastery ap

IK*

[exotic orchid]

Nurseos just said that subterfuge does not prolong shoulders buff at all. Is it actually true?

[split sorrel]

It is

the bug is, subterfuge makes vanish not disappering

hence prolonging shoulders buff

[civic cradle]

probably something that will get fixed and make shoulders a lot worse for assa then they are for outlaw and sub

[exotic orchid]

damn, they broke shoulders on ptr

the buff is always up now

[split sorrel]

lol

[night tinsel]

I don't see the issue 😇

[wanton shell]

is there any reason that when i sim my insignia over my zoldyck on a typical patchwerk fight insignia does better?

or is it just cause i replace an 865 ring for the insignia whereas its a 910 bracer over zoldyck

[merry cloud]

You may try to override stats to make them identical and the only difference would be legendary effects

[wanton shell]

ok ill google how to do that

ty

[odd sedge]

simcraft also does not value, and sim, zoldycks properly

[warped sequoia]

Does Draught of Souls sim properly? i get 13k less dps when i use 880 Draught of souls over my 875 Ethereal urn :/

[strong gorge]

Sims properly? Yes. Is used optimally in your APL? Doubtful

[lament citrus]

i know this has been asked a lot, but frond sims are accurate now for sub? with 4% avg dmg at ilvl 905 it sims 24 higher than 890 mastery guarm so i was wondering

[warped sequoia]

@strong gorge is htere any good APL then?

[warped sequoia]

gonna be fun to type all that

but thanks

[flat herald]

there is a search function

for discord now, just use that to find it

[wanton shell]

i nee some help with a simulation on me

i just took off my urn for cof (have dos as second trinket) currently at 124% mast 31 crit 7% vers

these are the values that come off sim

18.54 14.72 14.31 13.58 8.85

agi-crit-mast-vers-haste

and i sim for 45k less dps than with urn

i am buffled

any help from anyone?

[sullen dagger]

It's posted yesterday

It was posted yesterday

I have the line in my simc

[warped sequoia]

ehm

i still sim the same

doenst change a thing

with that what pyx wrote

[unkempt sail]

should i trust simcraft if it shows that DS is better than anticipation as sub with 4p?

[split sorrel]

if u're as good as the APL yes

[unkempt sail]

😦

[maiden cargo]

anyone know how to get simcraft to work with gnawed thumb ring

[split sorrel]

use default actions

or remove apl

it'll auto use it

[gaunt pelican]

Wont it just use it on pull and it may not line up with your envenom Vendetta hits

[marsh ginkgo]

well NBF is a proc so

unless you'r talking about gnawed, which idk

[gaunt pelican]

yes gnawed

[nocturne niche]

Does anyone have an APL that includes shoulder/DoS subterfuge opener?

[nocturne niche]

I'm getting "Vicewind missing 'use_item' action for item "draught_of_souls" (slot=trinket1)" error; however, I DO have a use_item action (actions.cds+=/use_item,slot=trinket1,if=!debuff.kingsbane.up&energy.time_to_max>4). How do I fix this?

[merry cloud]

Do you have DoS as trinket1 or trinket2?

[warm veldt]

Does the simcraft account for tier set ?

[merry cloud]

Of course

[warm veldt]

Putting on some other piece of gear lost about 29% mastery and gained like 80k dps

[maiden cargo]

Do I have to change something when I sim DoS? because it tells me that my EoC 860 sims 10k dps higher then my DoS 880

[tribal scroll]

how are you importing @maiden cargo ?

via armory apl?

[maiden cargo]

I use the addon simulationcraft and the copy&paste it with simc

[tribal scroll]

hmm

in your results tab

open up your damage breakdown

what % is fel crazed rage?

and also check the gear tab in results

and make sure you have full gear equipped that you want to sim

[maiden cargo]

it is at 8% and I have full gear in gear tab

[tribal scroll]

then your eoc looks like its better

im assuming you have chest?

[maiden cargo]

no I have set chest thats why I am so confused

[languid narwhal]

i am new to rogue, how much is the % perf increase of 2 and 4 pc approx.?

oh wrong chan

[merry cloud]

@maiden cargo so you use default apl? You don't change like that is responsible for DoS usage?

[maiden cargo]

I think so. I didn't change anything from simming with EoC to simming with DoS

[elfin quartz]

@maiden cargo try changing the APL for proper use of DoS

you can find the line here in the channel

[full mountain]

Does anyone know the id for Mark of the trained soldier for Simcraft?

[torn dome]

All sim ids are found on wowhead

[regal agate]

you can use name_of_the_enchant instead of the id, makes it alot easyer 😉

[spare geyser]

In the 715-01 build of SimC, the Roll the Bones rotation expects 3+ buffs or True Bearing. Anyone notice a nerf to 2+ buffs with 7.1.5?

[sterile haven]

my DOS 880 is simming lower then my 875 urn with socket. is it due to my low mastery if i swap it out? im at 127% mastery with DOS and about 140% with urn

[obsidian orchid]

i cannot find when to change my APL in simcraft

I want to cooy past a new APL for 1 run

[lusty estuary]

Hopefully this is the right forum for this: I have been using SimCraft for a couple of months, but barely scratched the surface, I think. Can anyone ELI5 the process to get to and adjust APL inside the desktop application? (I read some guides, but must have missed some step, because I have no idea what path/tab/option takes me to where I can edit it.)

[split sorrel]

I recommend you to read the wiki

especially this page :

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/ActionLists

Otherwise, feel free to ask here

[pure sluice]

@split sorrel , can u link the opener macro for extending legendary shoulder buff for sub please?

[split sorrel]

/cast Stealth
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Shadowstrike``` As I put in the chat 😛

[pure sluice]

thankyou 😃

[umbral crag]

is there an easy way to simulate different openers, i tried the 'actions+=/strict_sequence' command, but i couldn't get it to work.

[split sorrel]

what doesn't work ?

[umbral crag]

i tried to put the following sequence
'actions+=/sequence,name=Kyøl,garrote:mutilate:rupture:mutilate:vendetta:envenom:kingsbane:mutilate:vanish:garrote:envenom:mutilate:envenom'
below the precombat actions, but nothing happend, the APL used the usual sequence

[dreamy crater]

any links for trinket sims for assassination ?

[maiden cargo]

can someone help me modify my apl for outlaw boots

[split sorrel]

yes go ahead

[maiden cargo]

any idea how to add a sprint before my cds

[split sorrel]

put the same conditions as ur cd

but for sprint action

and above the cds action

then it'll use it at the same moment

you can use sync= aswell

[willow pecan]

if i want to get the latest nightly, i need to get this, right?:
SimcSetup-715-02-Win64.exe - 16/02/2017

[split sorrel]

I guess

[willow pecan]

why is the default food for sin is seedbattered_fish_plate?

[split sorrel]

will be changed for AP soonTM

[willow pecan]

i'd expect out of all changes that would be the easiest 😛

[dreamy crater]

anyone have trinket sim list for assassination ?

[sullen dagger]

anyone know how to add artifact traits to a weapon? say right now, i have 48 traits

how do i sim at 54 traits?

[odd sedge]

what for? it´s just a fixed % more damage

add it to dps at the end

[strong gorge]

In the top you'll see the artifact

Last (I think? Should be easy to identify)

Is the one you're looking for

[craggy zephyr]

is draught of souls working on simcraft? cause i sim 7k less with 880 draught compared to 900 arcanogolem

maybe because of my low mastery? (125ish)

[willow pecan]

how much damage did fel-rage did for you

[craggy zephyr]

7.5%

[willow pecan]

seems right

[raw raft]

is there an unless command for simc?

[merry cloud]

What kind of expression you want?

[raw raft]

fount a setup for shoulders subterfuge on forums but its still bad

actions.cds+=/vendetta,if=energy.deficit>=100&cooldown.kingsbane.remains<3

i want to add unless target.time_to_die-remains<20

[merry cloud]

So add &target.time_to_die>=20?

Is that what you want?

[raw raft]

no i want it to just cast vendetta if target.time_to_die-remains<20 and not wait for kb

[merry cloud]

And not wait for energy?

[raw raft]

kingsbane energy i dont mind

http://prntscr.com/ea6lhc

[merry cloud]

actions.cds+=/vendetta,if=energy.deficit >= 100&(cooldown.kingsbane.remains<3|target.time_to_die<20)

[raw raft]

at the end dps drops very low and vendetta is up it doesnt cast it

that looks good sadly didnt change much

need to find what else is causing this

[split sorrel]

it's just stat view

it doesn't drop

[craggy zephyr]

can't make much sense of these results, i have 3 MA, no boots, but shouldnt draught sim much higher?

Anyone got any input on the best st trinkets of those?

[sacred grove]

anyone have dos opener for the mantle apl?

[austere python]

This im not skilled in the way of simcraft...... how do i include dos in this mantle apl

[lilac thistle]

actions.cds+=/use_item,name=draught_of_souls,if=equipped.140808&(talent.agonizing_poison.enabled&debuff.agonizing_poison.stack=5&debuff.surge_of_toxins.remains>=3|!talent.agonizing_poison.enabled)&energy.deficit>=80&((equipped.144236&buff.master_assassins_initiative.remains>=3|cooldown.vanish.remains>=10)|!equipped.144236)

is the mantle and DoS apl

[dry marsh]

Is there a repository or commonly asked questions for simming (I am looking to properly sim Draught). No boots, no shoulders.

[pseudo iron]

how can EoC sim higher than CoF? (boots and insignia as legs)

[sullen dagger]

it seems i can't use that APL with the copy/paste from simc addon

the DoS APL

i have to import my character from battle net

[lusty estuary]

Hi, Where do I save the .dmg file from the nightly simcraft updates?

[obsidian orchid]

is there a place that keeps updated APL's for rogue?

[split sorrel]

the default repo, only some "special" things aren't yet, I'll add them someday

especially DoS and some Mantle thingys

[obsidian orchid]

you mean build into simulationcraft?

built

[split sorrel]

yes it's built-in

[obsidian orchid]

it seems that kingsbane is over simming. has it been changed since the nerf?

[split sorrel]

of course yes

why over simming

explain

[obsidian orchid]

its always number 1 source of damage and i havent had it that in practice since before nerf. possibly its because the APL is forcing holding vendetta till kings regardless of if you have the boots or not?

[split sorrel]

I think u're confused by DPE and DPS

[vapid ridge]

@obsidian orchid make sure you're not mistaking Damager Per Execute with damage

[split sorrel]

that's not the same thing.

😉

[obsidian orchid]

ahh, my fault

[vapid ridge]

@sullen dagger you can pull in your armory, then replace the gear with the addon /simc info to get the APL and your current gear

that way you can add in other APL items like DoS

make sure you comment (#) out the APL items you want to replace though, like by default there should be a "use trinket" line somewhere and if that is higher in the APL than your new DoS APL line then it will use the "use trinket" APL instead if you do not comment it out

[small moon]

with DoS do i need to make any change in the simc's APL?

[willow pecan]

Only with shoulders afaik

[small moon]

Because simc uses DoS at the start. Shouldn't one be using it when out of energy?

[jaunty cliff]

anyone have a link to most recent nightly?

I just see an old one on the website

[lusty estuary]

http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/?C=M;O=D

[sinful dagger]

it seems like the more "BiS" items i get from nighthold, the less dps i sim. anyone super good at gearing wanna help me out?

[odd sedge]

but what happens to your dps in the game?

[tribal scroll]

are you updating your stat weights after every new item equipped

because stat weights are dynamic

[raw agate]

^static you mean

[strong gorge]

He does

[tribal scroll]

oops

there we go

[ember moon]

How can I sim different relics? wanna compare a 870 envenom to a 860 MA

[regal agate]

you can use the ingame addon simbuilder if you own the relics. if you dont own them you need to get the id's from wowhead and replace them in your imput string

[halcyon falcon]

Someone simmed key of endless chambers fornighthold gear yet?

[willow pecan]

noob question, first time messing with apl..
but i'm trying to add the DoS usage line, and i get this error:
Player Notterr attempting 'use_item' action with item 'draught_of_souls' which is not currently equipped.

but the line does check if it's equipped:
actions.cds+=/use_item,name=draught_of_souls,if=equipped.140808&(talent.agonizing_poison.enabled&debuff.agonizing_poison.stack=5&debuff.surge_of_toxins.remains>=3|!talent.agonizing_poison.enabled)&energy.deficit>=80

[finite lodge]

i'm not seeing insignia of ravenholdt's damage in my sims with the ring. is it automatically rolled into combo point generator damage?

looking at mutilate damage it doesn't look like it is

[merry cloud]

@willow pecan use something like actions.cds+=/use_item,slot=trinket1

@finite lodge it should be in damage distribution

do you use some multi target fight?

[finite lodge]

no, just single target

https://puu.sh/uafAV/95429b1492.png

[merry cloud]

show screen of what you are looking at

can you link results?

html

[finite lodge]

how so

uh

i gotta upload it somewhere?

this is a sim with prydaz https://puu.sh/uafC4/b28e87c4fb.png

[merry cloud]

no just save html and drop here

[finite lodge]

how do i save it?

never done it

[merry cloud]

bottom right button

in results

[finite lodge]

oh neat

i dont have enchants on the insignia and the necklace in the insignia, but i'm fairly sure i added the enchantments correctly

since im getting them for free tonight

[merry cloud]

@split sorrel changed something with insignia and mutilate

maybe it's related you your results

[split sorrel]

yes

[finite lodge]

if i take the results as is, insig is a drop in damage

[merry cloud]

it is weird, insignia damage should be just another source

[split sorrel]

it works on both strike now

[merry cloud]

well

[finite lodge]

but with just a 1.3x multiplier on mutilate damage it's an obvious choice for insig

[merry cloud]

it doesnt work at all it seem

check html

[finite lodge]

but in the two sims mut damage is the same pretty much

[split sorrel]

hmm

I may have fucked something 😄

[finite lodge]

😛

so safe bet just multiply mut damage by 1.3x?

for now that is until next update

[split sorrel]

lol

I'm so bad

XD

[finite lodge]

figured it out?

[split sorrel]

y

[finite lodge]

great

[split sorrel]

I read it wrongly yesterday

probably should have opened my eye before touching it

fixing it

[finite lodge]

cool

so next nightly?

[split sorrel]

for ppl using nightly, yes 😄

[finite lodge]

nice

i always pull from there when im doing some major simming

so can i just do 1.3x mutilate damage for now to get an estimate?

[split sorrel]

use a previous nightly

like from 3 days ago

or so

[finite lodge]

oh, ok

what gets changed in the nightlies anyway

[split sorrel]

I removed something that I shouldn't because I thought it was something else

like, inversed true and false 😛

[finite lodge]

ah

used feb 16th and looks like it's there now

[willow pecan]

@merry cloud why would that not throw an error if i don't have DoS equipped.

[finite lodge]

much better, +18k sim 😛

progression will be fun tonight

[merry cloud]

it throws warning iirc

not an error

[split sorrel]

y warning only

[willow pecan]

ah, alright

[latent mirage]

is convergance of fate and draught of souls good together?

for assassin

[tribal scroll]

they have no particular synergy, however they are both good trinkets for assa

[latent mirage]

okey so should i go with tose or convergance and 885 urn?

[tribal scroll]

sim it

dos is best as a st trinket

[latent mirage]

st trinket?`

stats?

[tribal scroll]

i

literally have no idea

what you are attempting to say

[latent mirage]

dos is best as a st trinket

[tribal scroll]

st = single target

[quick mango]

Any idea why "pistol shot" sims so high (highest dmging skill) and in logs you always get Run Through 1st?

[ivory stag]

any1 have the drough apl handy?

[tribal current]

Would love to get APL for draught of souls as well

[supple flicker]

Guys

Can I sim a relic?

[rain ice]

idk, can you?

[obsidian orchid]

I'm trying to use a DoS/Mantle APL and I get this error

Icweiner missing 'use_item' action for item "draught_of_souls" (slot=trinket1)
Disable this warning by adding 'use_item' actions into the action priority list for the actor(s), or add "use_item_verification=0" to your list of options passed to Simulationcraft.

I got it from a post on mmo-champion

http://pastebin.com/3ZstJgjD

[willow pecan]

I got the same warning. You can ignore it

[maiden cargo]

Is there a BiS Trinket list for assassination including Timewalking trinkets?

[gaunt pelican]

timewasting trinkets?

wat

why would you use those

Are there relic sims that include 4pc + mantle?

[late siren]

does simcraft take into account trinket effects ?

[willow pecan]

yes

[delicate mango]

I just used the latest nightly build and dmg distribution seems kind of odd. Kingsbane is simming as my #1 damaging source but in reality (looking at logs) it never even get's near the dmg it's doing in my sims.
Anyone have an explanation for that?

[split sorrel]

Probably another DPE/DPS confusion I guess @delicate mango

Damage per EXECUTE =/= Damage per SECONDS

Execute is : what dmg will it do when you use this action

[delicate mango]

Oh, ok. So where can I find the "real" distribution in sims then?

[split sorrel]

Seconds is : what dmg do this action overall

"Damage Sources"

the graph just after "Damage per Execute Time"

[delicate mango]

Thanks a lot. I was also picking up on yesterdays discussion concerning the legendary ring. Is that fixed already or should I use an older build to sim it against my bracers?

[compact summit]

Is there a way to add feint (if the buff isn't up) into the action list?(or losing 35 energy every 5sec, ignores the global but better than nothing) Essentially i want to sim the dps impact of keeping up feint.

[light idol]

i would only use feint when it will be useful

[compact summit]

obviously, but i want to specifically sim the impact of keeping it up entirely

[sterile gale]

its a pretty big impact and I assume you're doing mythic tich

[empty igloo]

I'm simming Sin with normal patchwerk settings and the stat weight of my mastery keeps going down, but I'm only at 82%. Crit keeps going higher, even as I equip more of it. Other people normally talk about having like 140% mastery, so that doesn't seem right? Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

[sullen dagger]

are you running elaborate planning?

[empty igloo]

Master Poisoner.

[sullen dagger]

yeah, that seems wrong

[empty igloo]

I have Frond, Draught, Insignia, and 4 piece set if that makes any difference.

Two MAs and one Serrated Edge.

[winter wraith]

anyone available that could help teach me how to run a sim of my trinkets with my gear to figure out which is best? I've seen people link personal comparisons but I'm not sure how to do that using SimC

[empty igloo]

You can copy paste your gear into simc, then equip a new trinket (or get the ID from wowhead or something). Underneath your copied stuff, type a new line called "copy=XXXXX", the Xs being the name you want it to be (for instance, type Frond if you have Frond and testing that), then copy/paste the trinket1 line underneath it. It will run another profile in the same sim that will show you the DPS difference between them, like you see in Stjern's guides or what not.

"copy=XXX" runs another profile with the same gear as above, except whatever you write underneath. So I equip one trinket at a time and keep changing the trinket1 line.

[winter wraith]

worked

thanks!

[empty igloo]

np

[hard quest]

Does simming draught of souls require a special APL? pinned trinket sims show it as one of the highest, but it sims like complete garbage for me compared to everything else

[sullen dagger]

yes

[empty igloo]

Would that affect stat weights at all? Or just how much damage Draught does?

[sullen dagger]

not sure on the stat weights

actions.cds+=/use_item,name=draught_of_souls,if=equipped.140808&(talent.agonizing_poison.enabled&debuff.agonizing_poison.stack=5&debuff.surge_of_toxins.remains>=3|!talent.agonizing_poison.enabled)&energy.deficit>=80&((equipped.144236&buff.master_assassins_initiative.remains>=3|cooldown.vanish.remains>=10)|!equipped.144236)

make sure you replace the use trinket line in the default profile with that line

[compact summit]

@sterile gale not tichondrius. The impact there is little compared to Guldan. Just curious if it's possible to sim feint uptime in simcraft.

[sterile gale]

you can if you change the APL.

[empty igloo]

Where do you edit it? The override tab?

[snow tinsel]

What simcraft do I need to download?

the nightly one?

or something

!simc

[compact summit]

What would be the syntax for using feint if the buff isn't up in simcraft?

[rich sage]

@compact summit try actions+=/feint, if=!buff.feint.up

[compact summit]

@rich sage thanks. Just tried it. It does use feint, but excessively. The condition doesn't seem to work at all.

[smoky lotus]

frond still bugged in sims ?

[safe aspen]

I dont think it's ever been bugged?

[finite lodge]

what's the line for replacing food buff?

figured it out

[fading spear]

simc isnt showing insignia of ravenholdt damage for me, am i an idiot or is it baked into what it shows as mutilate or?

[merry cloud]

Download nightly

@split sorrel should've fixed that issue

[fading spear]

thanks that did it

[spice scaffold]

Hey, I hope some1 can give me confirmation on the following: I just got a 895 GW relic from my EN box. I could replace my 845 MA relic with that. It sims 4k dps higher. (I currently have 3 MA relics). Would the 4 seconds longer CD on vendetta really mess up the rotation enough to not replace it? (I have boots and bracers).

[last quiver]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

shows ilvl worth of each relic type

also inc ombination with your legendaries

[spice scaffold]

Ahh cool, ill look at this.

Thanks

Okey, just to be sure im reading this correctly: If I have bracers and boots, it says the 3rd MA relic is 105.07 ilvl. Does that mean that any other relic needs to be 105,07 ilvl higher for it to be worth replacing?

[last quiver]

1. I hate you.
2. Well you will still have 2x MA which is equal to 75.50 (so from 2 to 3 is about a '30 ilvl increase') the GW one is worth 17, so you should be fine. However, this also does not take into account the CoF trinket. Do you have this as well? I think with CoF + 2x MA + Boots you'll be lining up them vendettas with kingsbane (I wouldnt know cos I have none of the above except the MA relics).

[spice scaffold]

Ye I get alot of hate from fellow rogues in my guild now aswell, but to be fair I also have sephuz and prydaz =)
I don't have CoF yet, but if I where to take the GW relic I would gain 45 ilvls (on relic) from the MA, and +17 from the GW trait. Which is more than the 30 from the 3rd MA.

I think i'll go with the GW, maybe I get lucky with a higher MA at some point 😃

[last quiver]

You probably will 😉

Fellow rogue that had boots just got bracers. He has 10 traits on me and I was still beating him (just), but now I'm just fucked. Anyways, good luck!

[spice scaffold]

Ye one has to preform when getting lucky with legendaries 😃 Thanks for helping, you'll get lucky some day aswell! 😄

[last quiver]

Yeah probably, only rerolled a while ago and got shoulders and legs, so not the worst. But no luck with trinkets or anything 😃 Have a good day!

[twin bramble]

has anyone simmed the TW on use mastery trink with 900 gear?

[split sorrel]

we aren't DH

[viscid sonnet]

@twin bramble iirc simc doesnt use draught correctly by default

you need to add a custom APL string

[twin bramble]

rip. did it again with nbf and it lost lol 😃

[formal heart]

not sure where to ask this, what actually procs subterfuge after vanish? ive been doing some dos testing and i cant get any consistency. sometimes it works and puts me in stealth and sometimes subterfuge procs and i dont get a free stealth

[split sorrel]

it's AutoAttacks

[formal heart]

https://gyazo.com/1296daff597b2676cda3c617a05b0f43 this is 2 attempts side by side, once it breaks and once it doesnt

[split sorrel]

you have to cancel AA in order to make the Stealth proc

[formal heart]

i cant figure out what the difference is, maybe im stupid but its baffling

[split sorrel]

What are you trying to achieve ?

with Subterfuge

[formal heart]

after that i pop dos, in the left log i get a restealth and the right one i dont

trying to extend 100% crit window with mantle

[split sorrel]

I'm not sure about Assassination but as Subtlety

in order to proc the Stealth at the end of the Vanish (since it lasts 3s due to subterfuge, another buff) you have to cancel AA in the last second of vanish

else you won't get the Stealth proc

Subterfuge doesn't proc/extend mantle, only stealth & vanish

[formal heart]

yeah, the thinking is that i envenom after vanish and dos the global after

dos lasts 3 seconds so that would be an extra second gained with mantle buff

if i can restealth

idk if that makes sense but i cant for the life of me work out why the auto breaks me out on one try and doesnt on the next

[split sorrel]

timing

related to the end of the buff

try to cancel AA after envenom

then DoS

and tell me

[formal heart]

there are no more auto attacks after the one that happens as i envenom, ive got stopattack macroed into vanish, envenom and dos to test this, the only difference i can find is that i get the subterfuge buff in one log and dont in the other

i basically vanish, envenom, spam my vanish bind again to make sure aa stops and then dos, no aas after the first one

[torn dome]

When I did these tests I could not find reason for subter. It seemed random whether Id proc subter or not on the first envenom after vanish

I never autoattacked as I did these with cast@focus macro

[formal heart]

alright thanks a lot

[split sorrel]

do a normal vanish dos

to see

without envenom

and see if you constantly proc stealth or not

[torn dome]

it does as long as you aa cancel

you dont get stealth if you proc subter
Which you only do with attacking after vanish

And this sometimes does not happen and you might get stealth with one envenom cast after vanish

[split sorrel]

vanish extended by subterfuge isn't working as Assassination, right ?

[formal heart]

you do get 9 seconds of mantle buff as assa with subterfuge if thats what you mean?

[split sorrel]

my question is, with subterfuge, do the vanish buff disappear when subterfuge proc or not ?

in sub it doesn't, does it in assa ?

[torn dome]

no

vanish stays up whole 3 sec

[quaint forum]

@split sorrel i just tried its only 6 sec as sin

[formal heart]

nah weak is right, when subterfuge procs vanish buff is still there

[quaint forum]

are there any sims out w/ the new talents and tier from the ptrs?

[tribal scroll]

yes

simc.aethys.eu

[wooden totem]

Shoulders dont work with vanish subterfudge as sin

[tribal scroll]

oh

you meant

nevermind, no t20 has not been simmed

[wooden totem]

you dont get the extra 3 secs

[tribal scroll]

as nothing is remotely final

[quaint forum]

@tribal scroll what about new traits?

[torn dome]

you do

just so you know

[tribal scroll]

again, nothing

[torn dome]

but it was not even our topic

[quaint forum]

#makeoultawgreatagain

[split sorrel]

SimC has been changed to parse T20 spells

I just have to add the effect into the rogue module

[quaint forum]

just a littler nervous on sin come then compared to law. peace of mind kinda thing. So ty

[tribal scroll]

its still

a long way away

althout discussion about that is not for this channel

[craggy zephyr]

does simc factor in the legendary cloak for single target?

[regal agate]

yes it uses fok/sstorm for st also

[craggy zephyr]

cool, thanks

[late wren]

anyone have any clue why i sim at like 90k dps lower than my actual dps? i have no idea where to start to try and figure out why I would be simming so low

[maiden cargo]

are you running the latest simcraft

[late wren]

i updated like 12 days ago

[maiden cargo]

do you have buffs/scaling turned on

[late wren]

yep :/

im simming at ~530kdps but on fights like krosus and trill im consistently over 610kdps

[naive birch]

how long is your krosus kill?

the sim defaults to 5 minutes i think.

[late wren]

hang on ill check

[proper crater]

as assa would u go for 880 urn or 895 angerboda ?

[odd sedge]

You know it´s very hard for a sim to be completely 100% correlated to reality

[strong gorge]

And even if it's 100% simulating reality. It's really hard for reality to emulate sims!

[split sorrel]

Just do 1 iteration and voilà

[round canyon]

your suppose to do 1 iteration to get the most accurate pawn strings
( Pawn: v1: "Loktark snd": Class=Rogue, Spec=Combat, Agility=17.11, CritRating=9.89, HasteRating=-22.92, MasteryRating=-21.78, Versatility=14.00 )

[strong rune]

good ol' -22 haste rating

[split sorrel]

Trust the 1 iteration sim, as accurate as one log (let's say rank 1 analysis) or 1 dummy test ;) ;)

[maiden cargo]

hey sim pros

if you were using the belt wouldnt the boss in the sim be above 90% alot longer because its only your dmg? making the belt sim higher

[heavy moon]

@maiden cargo I believe its usually linear over 5 mins

I dont know much about sims though

[clever oyster]

Hi, I'm currently playing MP-AP, Mastery is ~140%, Crit is ~31%, when I exchange stat Mastery into Crit, Simc get higher DPS. It isn't suppose to be lower, since I play MP?

[scenic wave]

Does Shadowmeld Work with the shoulders ?

[wise mural]

does anyeone have a apl for DoS?

[smoky pumice]

@scenic wave i would guess no, because shadowmeld isnt a "stealth" mechanic, its like a racial fade only much stronger

[maiden cargo]

Im having trouble simming my DoS could anyone help me

[open herald]

is there a way to get ID of items which I do not have yet to sim them?

[ionic eagle]

look up the item on wowhead. the item id will be in the url

[strong rune]

Fun fact: an APL that only casts backstab does less damage than I was doing at level 100.

[torn dome]

Now try gloomblade 👌

[split sorrel]

DoS should be okay as Sub & Assa now

[mighty widget]

Just a little question ^^ Can somebody tell me if there are caps for crit and vers?

Assasination with 31% crit 123% mastery 10% Haste 3% Vers

[limber dock]

is the apl built into simc idk about the shoulders

up to date

[split sorrel]

I guess

[limber dock]

ok i say idc about the shoulders apl

then i get shoulders

🤔

[exotic orchid]

idc about shoulders apl

[stone plinth]

hey o/ gotta question about this Siming stuff... i never simed really before but just downloaded SimCraft , imported my character and then activated scaling and simed for a patchwork fight ... but every guide i found either says go Mastery > Vers > Crit or Mastery > Crit > Vers (Playing with MP/AP) but my results show that Crit would beat Mastery and Versatility while Versa is basically equivalent to Mastery ... do i have to change any settings in SimCraft besides activating scaling or is my Rogue just strange?^^

[torn lion]

idc about anykind of legendary

your crit might be too low, thats why it is the most valuable stat for now

[stone plinth]

hm , t's at 31%

[empty igloo]

@stone plinth, do you have Draught? I was simming a few days ago and I was in the same spot as you.

[stone plinth]

@empty igloo nope i got 2 aoe trinkets

[empty igloo]

Hmm. I'm not sure, then. I had less than 100% mastery and it was telling me crit was better. You can try and see if what fixed it for me does anything for you.

Go to the import tab, then sample profiles. Load in the sample Sin rogue, any of the non-exsguinate ones. Then it'll send you to the simulate tab with a sample character and gear with all the APL stuff. Replace your character info at the top, like race, spec, artifact traits, etc, and your gear on the bottom and run the sim again.

[modern aurora]

Yeah when you have low mastery mastery will not have as much of a weight, Idk how spread out Simc scales stats but @ like 110% the more you get the better

[stone plinth]

currently i'm sitting at 160% Mastery , 32% Crit , 3% Versa and 2% Haste

[empty igloo]

Well jeez, if you have that much... lol

It's probably working currently if you have that much mastery, but that's just my inexperienced opinion.

[viscid sonnet]

@stone plinth did you dl simcraft off the main page or a nightly build?

the one on the main page is a month out of date

mastery should theoretically become worth more the more you already have

[boreal cloak]

Does anyone know if the procrate of Nightblooming Frond has been "fixed" in the latest version of simcraft?

[spiral bluff]

I just simmed myself with subterfuge, and then with Nightstalker. I have DoS, mantle and the execute wrists. Surprisingly the Nighstalker build sims higher, even if everybody says to go subterfuge with mantle+DoS. is the APL optimized for those items? I mean, I'll probably use subterfuge anyways for now, I'm just curious:)

[regal agate]

check pinned messages

[finite thunder]

anyone here have the APL for DoS with mantle?

[halcyon falcon]

ofc: actions.cds+=/use_item,name=draught_of_souls,if=equipped.140808&(talent.agonizing_poison.enabled&debuff.agonizing_poison.stack=5&debuff.surge_of_toxins.remains>=3|!talent.agonizing_poison.enabled)&energy.deficit>=80&((equipped.144236&buff.master_assassins_initiative.remains>=3|cooldown.vanish.remains>=10)|!equipped.144236)

[finite thunder]

@halcyon falcon thx 😄

[halcyon falcon]

you're welcome

[stone plinth]

@viscid sonnet got it from the Main Page, thanks will try the mighty Build :)

[white lintel]

Hi guys, I have three legendaries: Shoulders, belt and sub bracers. I just simmed myself for both subt and sin (subt with shoulders+ bracers, sin with shoulders+belt) and it shows my subtlety 45k ahead in simmed DPS, even though I have 2 more traits in Assassination. Is this possible? Does that mean subt would realistically be the better spec for me with my gear?

Im mostly asking because if it's not a bug, I'd really enjoy playing subtlety for progression if I can justify it with my legendaries.

[regal agate]

the belt isnt that good for assasination

you compare sub with potentialy bis legendary to sin with 1 bis legendary

also you mean the paragon lvls with traits? if its aboth 35 2 traits dont matter mutch

[white lintel]

correct; 37 in assassination versus 35 for subt (I got the shoulders just as I put my 37th trait in assassination)

so it is likely that i will indeed do more damage as subtlety with bracers+shoulders? 😃

[regal agate]

if you play it well yes

[white lintel]

thank you! I enjoy subt more, but had been getting great results with assassination before I got the shoulders. Found it hard to justify playing subtlety, but I guess ill go full on subtlety mode 😃

[regal agate]

did you use the adjusted apl to sim assasination?

[white lintel]

Im sorry, apl?

[regal agate]

action priority list, the one thats pinned, you will not get that good results with shoulders for assasination using the default one(subterfuge is also the go to talent)

[white lintel]

I did not.. Ill just look up how to import that data into simc, havent done anything like that before.

Seems to check out. Guess those wrists really are that good, huh? 😃 Thanks for the help; guess Ill be rocking the subtlety spec again!

[regal agate]

wrists + cof are a good combination

however this is the simulation channel this discussion fits #228879234540503040 better

[white lintel]

Indeed, thank you. I just figured this was the appropriate place to ask about my sim results and the new assassination+shoulders APL!

[mighty sparrow]

is subterfuge too way better than nightstalker with shoulders?

[stone plinth]

nvm , fixxed it thanks 😄

[bleak sky]

Shoulder APL is not even close to optimized

I've tried but I'm too noobish at using the simc commands to make a workable one and test the numerous potentially viable openers/rotations.

If you add in DoS it just adds even more complexity and testing needed.

You should absolutely be using subterfuge with shoulders

no question

Other than at the very start, however, you aren't opening from stealth with garrote or using it during the 3 second period. Neither Kiwifruity's (my preferred) or Weak's methods utilize it. I would like to test if it should be incorperated at all.

[modest ravine]

is the CoF trinket straight rppm or is it increased with haste?

[regal agate]

rppm is increased with haste, and its rppm

[exotic jasper]

sorry for noob question, but is fond still overstated in sims nightly version?

[lament citrus]

frond sims are accurate now as far as is know

[merry cloud]

@regal agate that is false

not all rppm effects scale with haste

CoF does not

[round canyon]

im yet to hear of a recent rppm trinket that even scales with haste

[steep charm]

frond I believe is ~1+%haste rppm afaik

[merry pike]

Im not sure if its on my end only but I downloaded the most recent nightly build and when i try to run a simulation the program crashes

[ivory stag]

uhm

Does the Sin APL even use KJ? I cant see it in my dmg sources

[maiden cargo]

@merry pike same here

[maiden cargo]

@merry pike Same here as well

[crystal belfry]

Anyone knows if the shoulder sims correctly?

[split sorrel]

why it shouldn't ?

[crystal belfry]

I have 2-7-2017

Because it results same dps as my old gear on sims, but live I have like 50 -100k dps increased

it's like 100% not doing same my opner or 2nd priorty opner.

my old gear build sims 727k 5 min, and with shoulder gear build sims 726k. both 5 min 10% more or less.

[bleak sky]

@crystal belfry what spec are you talking about

[crystal belfry]

sin

[bleak sky]

no

you get an ok apl if you use weak's. It has a number of problems though. I use Kiwifruity's playstyle though.

@split sorrel Apl isn't even close to optimized for sin mantle usage.

sure you know that though.

[split sorrel]

just open an issue

and I'll update it

if no one open an issue a github issu

I'll say okay

and 1hour later forgot because I do 50 things altogether ^^

and it's not my job so

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/issues

[crystal belfry]

And TBH I don't think the opners for sims are the best I have seen alot of opners but I think I have one of the best. I will try to optimze it for sustained opner but I donno if it'e good or not.

[split sorrel]

go there, explain the issue, the "different playstyle" and attach the few apl you have so I can understand clearly what I would have to test

[bleak sky]

@split sorrel I'll open one. But it will be a big one. There are several playstyles to test. And that is even before adding in draught. I'll add everything I can with logs of different styles.

[crystal belfry]

Miie do you have a log for ur opner with DOS and SF?

[split sorrel]

@bleak sky go ahead

a lot of infos is better than nothing besides

"it's not correct"

[white herald]

last nights build of simc crashing for anyone else?

[merry pike]

yes

[small moon]

I have the legendary wrists, so is there a way to add the use of prolonged power when the target hits 30% hp? or does the apl do that by itself?

[normal slate]

Hmm. Does SimC adjust the Convergence of Fates proc rate to what class/spec has it equiped?

Its proc rate varies wildly between specs/classes.

[neon crane]

diff classes have diff proc rates for cof

[open herald]

nerf again?

[halcyon falcon]

I Guss the one in 7.2? Just the Same as now, but you use it a litle earlier, not when you're totally energy starved. This is the sim channel btw

[graceful drift]

I don't have DoS but iwant t osim what it would d ocompared to my EoC, how do i sim it if i don't have the item?

I would say Assassination but that would be a question for simple-questions

[sterile merlin]

Hi Guys, I am playing outlaw, main stat has always been Versitility with mastery being number 3. I have only had a minor upgrade since I last simed. Did a AMR sim and it came up with Mastery as being the main stat. I initially disregarded this but just went into simc and got this string ( Pawn: v1: "Devonia": Agility=20.36, Ap=19.46, CritRating=12.61, HasteRating=7.01, MasteryRating=21.49, Versatility=13.86, Dps=6.61 ). My concern is the sudden strength of the Mastery stat and also that it is higher then agility. Any comments?

Thanks in advance

ilvl 891

[viscid sonnet]

how low is your current mastery?

[sterile merlin]

Sorry misinformation above. for some reason I was in the sub spec, which I never play. the string for outlaw is much more normal ( Pawn: v1: "Devonia": Agility=19.40, Ap=20.07, CritRating=14.23, HasteRating=16.45, MasteryRating=12.59, Versatility=16.71, Dps=16.32 ).

[viscid sonnet]

o ok

:^)

[sterile merlin]

Thanks I think I will stick with simc as it is closer to all of the information out there

mastery ids 33% btw

[orchid solar]

does anyone here have experience with the simpermut addon?

[maiden cargo]

Can I tell simc that it can use Run Through at 4cp, or that it has to use it at 5cp, or any variation like that?

[viscid sonnet]

yes

[maiden cargo]

I did /run_through,if=combo_points=>4&...

and =5

Seems to yield almost the same result

Did I do it correctly?

[viscid sonnet]

did you add a line or change an exisitng one?

probably better to change an existing one

[maiden cargo]

I changed an existing one

[viscid sonnet]

but yes that line looks correct

[maiden cargo]

Cool, thanks!

[abstract creek]

Hey guys 😃 Anyone else getting Errors trying to sim with the latest nightly build?

Also : since the latest one isn't working for me i downloaded the one from the 18th , now simming about 50k less then before 😐 Was there a hotfix i don't know about which nerfed us?

[snow thorn]

Yep, having cinidaria equipped is making my simc crash, latest nightly build

[torn dome]

@split sorrel

Also you can open an issue on github with your profile

[split sorrel]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/30c1a4ec0d3f6be28bdf1ee47063933c3840e17f

[torn dome]

Cool. Was unaware

[split sorrel]

@bleak sky Do you think you'll do it today ?

Would like to fix it this afternoon

[jolly roost]

is there a mastery cap for assasssination ? I'm at 140% and 29% crit.. idk if thats enough or do I keep gathering ;ast

mast

[ionic eagle]

more mastery > less mastery

[tawny fulcrum]

@split sorrel Hi, quick question for you regarding DoS usage, right now the APL line is like this "if=energy.time_to_max>3.5&!debuff.kingsbane.up&(!talent.agonizing_poison.enabled|(debuff.agonizing_poison.stack=5&debuff.surge_of_toxins.remains>3))" but by deleting the kingsbane debuff condition I gain 7.5k DPS on the base T19M_NH profile (772.5k => 780k).

[jolly roost]

@ionic eagle so i can go as high as I can go. no cap then

[ionic eagle]

idd

[tawny fulcrum]

Considering we have melee attacks during DoS we should'nt care about kingsbane being active right?

[split sorrel]

yes if that's the case

yesterday I merged all APLs that were in github isues

altough, I have to check if SimC does AA during DoS

I'm not 100% sure

[solar star]

whats APL?

[lilac thistle]

Action priority list

[solar star]

so you put those into simc?

instead of using default rotation?

[tawny fulcrum]

Found this in the sc_unique_gear for Draught of Souls"interrupt_auto_attack = false;" so I guess SimC does AA during DoS?

[lilac thistle]

A character import pulls in the default and you can make adjustments such as if you have shoulders or DoS

[solar star]

yeah i have dos

920

how do i adjust my APL?

[lilac thistle]

Congrats!

There is an apl for it floating around here I don't have it on hand

[sacred grove]

actions.cds+=/use_item,name=draught_of_souls,if=equipped.140808&(talent.agonizing_poison.enabled&debuff.agonizing_poison.stack=5&debuff.surge_of_toxins.remains>=3|!talent.agonizing_poison.enabled)&energy.deficit>=80

[solar star]

so wait

should ifirst

import the nightly build?

because i dont use that lol

[sacred grove]

download latest nightly

replace standard apl with the mantle pinned one

and add the string i pasted

[solar star]

even though i dont have mantle?

[sacred grove]

ah you dont?

my bad then

[solar star]

and so wait do i extract the nightly build into my simc folder or soemthign?

[willow pecan]

just imported my character to latest nightly, is this line a bug?
actions.precombat+=/food,name=seedbattered_fish_plate,if=talent.exanguinate.enablednightborne_delicacy_platter,if=!talent.exanguinate.enabled

[sacred grove]

no

it's just a sepparate instance of simc

[willow pecan]

what do you mean?

[sacred grove]

@solar star

[solar star]

ohhhhh

should i delete the version i have then lol

[sacred grove]

might aswell

[solar star]

so im at this link

http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/?C=M;O=D

is this ALL simcs

or only nightly builds

[sacred grove]

simc builds every night

the latest .7z from the top

is the one you want to get

[willow pecan]

the exe is not the latest?

[sacred grove]

or the exe. i just cba to install it everytime

[willow pecan]

less hassle imo

[solar star]

ok think i got it

does it say nightly build anywhere

so i can be sure

[willow pecan]

no

[sacred grove]

it has a build nr

[solar star]

nr?

[sacred grove]

number

[solar star]

yeah 715-02

but isnt that true across all versions of sims

[willow pecan]

the exe doesn't have a build number

[solar star]

ook

and now

where do i plug in the APL?

[willow pecan]

import your charecter, and you'll get a simulate tab

with all your data and apl

you plug it in there

[solar star]

yes

gotcha

[sacred grove]

under the first line of the opener

or else you'll get an error

[solar star]

yeah no idea how to do it haha

tried plugging it in under the pre combat action prioritty list

but it was already simulated

so there was no button to push to sim it again

[willow pecan]

it depands on what action are you trying to add

[solar star]

all it said was "save"

[willow pecan]

you can see the page is devided to different segments

like: Cooldowns / maintain / finishers etc.

[solar star]

actions.cds+=/use_item,name=draught_of_souls,if=equipped.140808&(talent.agonizing_poison.enabled&debuff.agonizing_poison.stack=5&debuff.surge_of_toxins.remains>=3|!talent.agonizing_poison.enabled)&energy.deficit>=80

draughts

yeah

[willow pecan]

so you put that where the cooldown section is

[solar star]

right but then what do i click?

[willow pecan]

bottom right > simulate

[solar star]

like i paste it into the already simulated text

[grave frost]

can i trust sims when simming kj + mast ring vs dos + insignia ?

[modest ravine]

how is the apl written for the Shivarran Symmetry legendary?

[odd sedge]

what do you mean? you have to enable multiple enemies for the simulation, to start, obviously

[modest ravine]

does it reset blade flurry on cd or....idk. just wondering how it works in the sim

[primal slate]

does simcraft crash for anyone else when trying to sim with Symbiote on?

latest nightly build btw

[split sorrel]

Yes, it's fixed since then, just use the previous one or build yourself.

[primal slate]

thx

[autumn terrace]

is kb still bugged on simcraft?

dmg shows way higher than ingame

[split sorrel]

Are you sure you're looking at the right thing @autumn terrace

[livid fiber]

Trying to sim Draught of Souls and this message pops up "ClassicDraught missing 'use_item' action for item "draught_of_souls" (slot=trinket2)", and im not sure how to add it. Pls help 😕

[tribal scroll]

update your simc

armory import

delete the apl

it will generate the dos apl automatically for you

[livid fiber]

Well, I have updated it, and I dont actually have the item so

Just trying to see difference and if its worth getting

[willow pecan]

@split sorrel is this new line in the latest nightly a bug?
actions.precombat+=/food,name=seedbattered_fish_plate,if=talent.exanguinate.enablednightborne_delicacy_platter,if=!talent.exanguinate.enabled

i'm not fluent in the apl script yet
but it's kinda written weird without space or comma: if=talent.exanguinate.enablednightborne_delicacy_platter,if=!talent.exanguinate.enabled

[split sorrel]

hmmm

something is wrong

let me fix it

will be fixed in next nightly @willow pecan

[willow pecan]

cool

[safe aspen]

I would like to sim a nightblooming frond ilvl 915

can someone help showing me how to do that

wowhead says bonus id 1512:3518

but I dunno how to import that to simc

[split sorrel]

just do ,ilevel=915

gonna hardcode the ilvl to 915

[safe aspen]

so trinket2=,id=140802,ilevel=915

?

[split sorrel]

y

[safe aspen]

cool it's a 20k dps increase over 905 draught

[lusty hazel]

Does that work with all gear?

[rotund oak]

Yes, everything except Relics (or atleast i dont know how)

[sterile jolt]

@split sorrel Bit random, more to do with simc engine than APL, but in your experience have you noticed any memory leaks (or process usage outside of simming) with Simc? I generally leave the app open as to keep my reports easily accessible (thus its open between Window sleeps) and I just noticed it taking 8% of my processor usage whilst doing nothing (hadn't even done a sim since a previous sleep). Looking further, I see its the QTWebEngineProcess.exe, of which a new one is spawned whenever a new Results tab is created but is not shut down when I close the tab. Seems this is doing something processor wise, that eventually has a noticable affect on my machine.

Obviously its a concern if a latent app is doing something in the background.

I'll probs just make a github ticket but figured I'd ask if you've seen anything like it.

[strong rune]

run it with valgrind open

or compile with clang's address sanitizer

processor usage outside simming would be very unusual

but i suppose it's the web engine

[sterile jolt]

haven't heard of either of the tools and I haven't built simc myself in a while - not a fan of visual studio

[strong rune]

it compiles fine outside of VS

[sterile jolt]

anyway, yeah, finding the web engine is doing something

[strong rune]

definitely, though

valgrind is a memory sanitizer, lets you know if memory is being used without being freed

address sanitizer is similar tooling from clang with lower overhead

[sterile jolt]

Well its not so much a memory leak on the scale of firefox

The biggest QTWebEngine process after days of it being open was probably 120mb (where most are between 12mb and 40mb)

[strong rune]

you've done good detective work, would probably open a ticket

that's more to go on than most bugs we get 😉

[sterile jolt]

am dev, so used to it

[strong rune]

👍

Looks like we'd have to close the process when the results tab shuts down, or something like that

[sterile jolt]

anyway, will post on github, cheers for pointing me towards some new tools 😃

[strong rune]

awesome 😃 they're super useful

valgrind in particular is indispensible

[sterile jolt]

i really wish there was a dev discord, but i know it'd just turn into an impatient stack overflow

@strong rune @split sorrel Nvm, just found https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/issues/3555 opened 7 days ago reporting a similar issue. Will just comment on that.

[strong rune]

👍 thanks for digging

[prisma gate]

!relics

[carmine cloud]

Is nightblooming frond still simming incorrectly? It is showing as a 22k dps increase for me.. but hardly ever procs in fights.

[sterile jolt]

How much damage % is it contributing in the sim?

[autumn jungle]

so

how bad is kiljaedens burning wish

[gaunt gale]

@carmine cloud scroll up a bit, Aethys made a big post explaining what the deal is with NBF.

Wait no, check #tc-updates

its in there

[carmine cloud]

Ok thanks!

@sterile jolt It is showing 5.1% but doesnt even proc most fights.

[gaunt gale]

most fights can mean a few different things. how long are the fights?

[autumn jungle]

Duskwalkers/Cinidaria/Kiljaedens

Duskwalkers/?

[prisma gate]

cind for ST kiLJ for aoe

[unique spindle]

in the roguedpsguide in the trinket section it says "Note: Nightblooming Frond is currently simming higher than it should be. Draught and CoF are most likely better." Is this meant for every specc or just Assassination?

[tight charm]

its sims crazy with SnD

[slender quartz]

hi all, where can I find the APL for assa + mantle?

[torn dome]

Pinned

[split sorrel]

@torn dome may you report on github what need to be fixed in regards to the APL pinned if u don't mind ?

else I'll do it a bit later

I want to fix one for all all those Assasination thingys

[torn dome]

I mean. Im gonna be afk for another week. So if you are not in a hurry I can try then

[craggy zephyr]

any apl for draught + mantle?

[grave frost]

how can a set with 126% mastery and 39% crit sim 13k higher than a set with 31% crit and 142% mastery. i swap out 1 ring and 1 neck as mp/ ap build
it doesnt make sense if crit is not that important with vigor

[late willow]

Are the next and ring of similar ilvl?

Neck

I have 36% crit and 128% mastery and its my bis setup even though I can swap out 2 my 900 crit/mast rings for 880 mast/crit rings and get to 140% mast and 29% crit. I just get so much more stats out of the 900 rings

So it's mostly about the amount of stats on the items.

[deft maple]

@grave frost your other stats on the item are probably worse. Crit isn't that far behind mastery when it comes to weights so if you lose alot of crit rating and added say haste and mastery from crit/mastery on those peices with the item swap your going to notice a farther drop even thou your mastery is higher etc.

[jagged carbon]

@split sorrel hey i'm not 100% sure i should write this here but i started to use your rotation addon while playing sub and outside of the fact that its great 😉 it seems like it sometime skip NB. I had more than once a situation where on a boss i no longer had NB on target and it was still telling me to use evi every time i had max cp. As this addon is based on sim apl is there any dps optimization reason for this or is it a bug ?

[split sorrel]

What boss ? What HP was the boss ? And also, this belong to the SimCMinMax Discord 😃

[jagged carbon]

I did a quick H EN to try it and it happen on Ursoc, Cenraius and Xavius, on Xavius it was rly surprising because the boss had more than 50% left, on cenarius 2, it was at high health on boss...

ill try it more and report finding on Simcminmax

thx again

[split sorrel]

Never had this issue, yeah we will continue there, thanks.

[keen lion]

where can i change the apl ?

or do i have to import my simc results and the changed apl ?

[round canyon]

if you import from armory it will conjure an APL you can edit@keen lion

[keen lion]

yeah

but if i wanna make changes in the apl for good not just this sim

i found the apls int he profiles folder but there are so many diffrent versions because of the gear differences

and which apl does the use when i import my chardata per Simc copy paste

[rotund current]

do you sim at "good" or "elite"?

[keen lion]

elite

[dusty mortar]

I can't find the simcminmax discord 😦

[split sorrel]

pmed u the link

[dusty mortar]

Thanks you 😃

[fallen raptor]

!enchants

[atomic scarab]

Any of you guys recommend Shadowcraft for rogue dps sim?

[tight charm]

No

[atomic scarab]

What would you recommend?

[tight charm]

Simc or askmrrobot

[atomic scarab]

Trying to optimize my Mut Spec because I'm underperforming for my ilvl

[tight charm]

Its probably how you are playing more than your gear

[atomic scarab]

I'm doing 525k dps at 891

and I'm being told I'm not up to par =/

according to the sims, I should be doing 529k

[sudden crown]

why do rogue auto attacks miss so much compared to a class like fury warriors that basically never miss an AA

[tight charm]

@atomic scarab are you outlaw?

[atomic scarab]

no, I'm Mut

Fury Warriors have a talent that let them have no off hand penalty while enraged

[tight charm]

@atomic scarab what legendaries?

[atomic scarab]

Fan of Knives Cloak and Ravenholdt ring

[tight charm]

eh, you're fine

you have log link?

[atomic scarab]

I don't